Nokia N810 to feature Nokia MOSH?

[thoughtfix]

Thanks to an anonymous tipster, I found a press release from another company that slipped out too much information. (http://tabletblog.com/2007/10/third-tablet-gets-name-nokia-n810.html)

[ColdFusion]

http://www.btshop.it/Download/images/810.jpg
Nokia N810 :D

[thoughtfix]

ROFL

That's the Nokia 810, not the Nseries N810.

Nseries FTW. I really really want an N95 8Gig.

[Garage Battle]

compusa had the n800 in store before pretty much anyone had them for sale.

anyone know of a way to search the compusa system?

[disq]

Nice catch. Though I don't think they'll be selling the N810 too soon. Maybe mid-november or even december, if not 2008Q1. Why, because they wouldn't bother releasing a sdhc-fix for Bora if Chinook is so close now, would they? OTOH I gotta admit that the new bora release was just a kernel fix, and they had to make/test/ready that for the Chinook release anyway.

Or maybe N810 is not RX44 the new tablet, but just the WiMax edition of N800. We'll see in a few days.

[Tuxedosteve]

Isn't it likely that Chinook will work on an N800 too? I can't see Nokia pissing off their customer base in the same way they did with the N770. It's entirely possible that apart from the keyboard and gps that nothing much will change between the 800 and 810.

[anidel]

Can it be that they just wrote it wrong ? wanted to write "N800" and wrote "N810" ?
We'll see.. but it might be the case.

[thoughtfix]

No ... they say "New" internet tablet - and the event is right when the confidentiality on the FCC docs expire. I am pretty certain on this one.

[admin]

Ok, two rumors here. First -- ThoughtFix's anonymous tipster points out a press release from Island Def Jam Music Group that mentions the new tablet that Nokia might announce this week -- the Nokia N810. From the press release:The party, co-sponsored by Island Def Jam Music Group, mSpot and Nokia, will showcase IDJ Radio, along with Nokia’s mobile sharing service MOSH and the new Nokia N810 Internet Tablet.The second rumor -- the Nokia N810 is to feature MOSH. MOSH is Nokia's social networking service, announced mid-September this year, allowing youÂ* to share applications, games, images, videos, audio, and documents directly from your computer as well as Nokia devices. I've dug up a MOSH article over at PC World that gives another clue about MOSH and the announcement this week:By the end of October, when the service expands its breadth, Linardos says the built-in device-detecting intelligence will be improved. He expects that by then, you'll be able to share content with someone, have them follow the link to download that content, and then MOSH will be able to detect what device you're on, and store that info for future reference.Lastly, I want to announce the Jaiku #itT channel (see the new #itT Jaiku badge on the main page). Together with ThoughtFix and some other bloggers, itT will be live Jaiku-ing at the Web 2.0 Summit this week, starting tomorrow. Feel free to post questions and comments in the channel. Note also that Mauku, an excellent Jaiku client, is now available for your Nokia Internet Tablet. Happy times!Read the full article. (http://www.internettablettalk.com/2007/10/15/nokia-n810-to-feature-nokia-mosh/)

[SD69]

Nice catch. Though I don't think they'll be selling the N810 too soon. Maybe mid-november or even december, if not 2008Q1. Why, because they wouldn't bother releasing a sdhc-fix for Bora if Chinook is so close now, would they? OTOH I gotta admit that the new bora release was just a kernel fix, and they had to make/test/ready that for the Chinook release anyway.

Or maybe N810 is not RX44 the new tablet, but just the WiMax edition of N800. We'll see in a few days.There's no way the N810 this year has WiMax.

[thoughtfix]

You're right, SD69. There's no way. We'd see Sprint logos all over the place if so.

[SD69]

You're right, SD69. There's no way. We'd see Sprint logos all over the place if so.That and the fact the silicon has not even been validated yet.

[Tragos]

This Finnish shop is already listing Nokia N810 Internet Tablet:
http://www.verkkokauppa.com/popups/prodinfo.php?id=6509

Price 469.90 euros
Availability 2-4 weeks.
Nokia product code: 2701Z6

EDIT: Link isn't working anymore. :(
EDIT: The link is working again. Now with picture and more details.

[flareup]

any finnish readers want to get in touch and ask them for spec details? ;)

isn't that price a bit heftier than the 800 came out for too?

and has texrat been gagged? nokia don't do the rendition thing do they???:eek:

[Naranek]

The link doesn't work anymore. Does anybody have a cached copy of it?

[sachin007]

The link doesn't work anymore. Does anybody have a cached copy of it?

Dont worry it doesn't have a picture of the n810. In fact whatever information was there it is already cited here.

[krisse]

isn't that price a bit heftier than the 800 came out for too?

Not in Europe, the N800 is really expensive here, like all electronics. We never had a price cut, and even the 770 still costs about $400 in most of the places that sell it.

(EDIT: I just checked Verkkokauppa again and the N800 has just been cut from €399 to €269. Something is definitely afoot.)

Mind you, the tablets have never really sold that well in Europe, they seem to be far more popular in the USA. This is exactly the opposite to how Nokia phones sell.

Isn't it likely that Chinook will work on an N800 too? I can't see Nokia pissing off their customer base in the same way they did with the N770. It's entirely possible that apart from the keyboard and gps that nothing much will change between the 800 and 810.

I think Maemo.org has already stated that Chinook will work on N800 hardware as well as future tablet hardware. Can't find the link though...


Or maybe N810 is not RX44 the new tablet, but just the WiMax edition of N800. We'll see in a few days.

Seems unlikely, Nokia hasn't submitted any Wimax tablets to the FCC for approval. If they had, we would have seen the details posted all over the internet.

[hns]

Not in Europe, the N800 is really expensive here. We never had a price cut, and even the 770 still costs about $400 in most of the places that sell it.

Actually, the price for the N800 went down pretty drastically over the weekend at some german online shops, from around 340 Euro last week to 230 today (and this is with 19% value added tax included):
http://geizhals.at/eu/a241364.html

[Bernard]

Mind you, the tablets have never really sold that well in Europe, they seem to be far more popular in the USA. This is exactly the opposite to how Nokia phones sell.




How do you know? I live in the Netherlands and the only place where you can get the internet tablets is in the Nokia online shop (or ebay), Nokia isn't releasing any sales information, so how do you know if the tablets aren't selling well?

By the way this new tablet IS very expensive: 100,- euros more than the N800 when it was released. I think they will be adding GPS and navigation software, those are expensive and that would explain the extra amount.

[Naranek]

I'm wondering about the small increase in number. For me 800 -> 810 seems like a typical numbering for a small update. I'm guessing this device will mainly fix most of the little things that have been bugging us, but not add that much new stuff.

[=DC=]

So, does anyone think the N810 will have a much better camera since MOSH will be a big push for it by Nokia?

[Tuxedosteve]

The number didn't change much last time though 770 is only 30 less than 800.

[zerojay]

Also remember that Nokia is the same company that decided that a huge jump of screen resolution, JAR size, heap size, color depth only needed an i added. Those of you that don't know, I'm talking about the difference between the Nokia 6230 and 6230i. Most of the time, a single letter added means almost no difference, or a version of the phone put out in a different region, but not in this case.

So who knows what's going to happen. I wouldn't be surprised if the specs on the N810 shoot to the moon, despite the 10 difference.

[Tuxedosteve]

I'm just praying for a slide keyboard. Anything on top of that would be pure gravy.

[zerojay]

I'm just praying for a slide keyboard. Anything on top of that would be pure gravy.

I'm not. I've yet to find a portable device with a keyboard that i've liked.

[Tuxedosteve]

Zerojay. I think I'd probably agree with you if we end up with that leaked photo from a while back. That looked horrible.

[Texrat]

has texrat been gagged? nokia don't do the rendition thing do they???:eek:

*whistles mysteriously* :D

[zerojay]

So... how many of you have signed up for Mosh since hearing about this story? If so... why not have an ITT community or group on it (if it's possible - I haven't played around with it much yet)?

[Texrat]

I'll sign up!

EDIT: done.

[Tuxedosteve]

I've just signed up. I can't see a way to make groups though.

I bet Texrat is ready to explode with stuff he's not allowed to tell us :)

[benny1967]

looked at mosh - wasnt impressed. what is it for? am i simply too old for this kind of web services or did i miss the point?
(be careful with your answers now :D )

[Texrat]

I've just signed up. I can't see a way to make groups though.

I bet Texrat is ready to explode with stuff he's not allowed to tell us :)

As I told someone else a while back: if you only knew.

SD69 just took me to task in another thread for my advocacy talking points being reduced to a mere shadow of their former glory. *sigh* It's all I've got... for now...

looked at mosh - wasnt impressed. what is it for? am i simply too old for this kind of web services or did i miss the point?
(be careful with your answers now :D )

Create a poll and we'll let you know. :D

[Tuxedosteve]

At the moment it appears to be a place to download what seem to be warez copies of mobile phone games and pictures of women in bikinis.

[=DC=]

I got my MOSH account well before this story, and even before I decided to get the N95-3. I think MOSH will be big. It would be cool to have an ITT group on MOSH too.

[Tuxedosteve]

@Texrat. Maybe later this week then? ;)

[TA-t3]

looked at mosh - wasnt impressed. what is it for? am i simply too old for this kind of web services or did i miss the point?
(be careful with your answers now :D )
Yeah, I'm scratching my head about this.. what's the point of it? Occasionally I want to share some photos with someone I know. Well, you know, I just email them! Couldn't be simpler. Couldn't see anything interesting in that mosh tour really. 'share games'? Now, that sounds suspiciously like some affairs that used to be popular even in the old days.

[bergie]

At the moment it appears to be a place to download what seem to be warez copies of mobile phone games and pictures of women in bikinis.

Yep, based on Quim's screenshot (http://flickr.com/photos/quimgil/1246411103/) it doesn't seem worth the while. But maybe the content has improved since August?

[Reggie]

Uh oh, Engadget's on to us. Expect heavy traffic and slow site response...
http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/15/nokias-n810-internet-tablet-mosh-to-debut-soon/

[krisse]

I think MOSH at the moment is best regarded as an embryo, it's not fully developed and it's still unclear what it will be when it IS fully developed. :p

At the moment it's got too little content and it's too complicated to use. It needs to become as easy as something like Youtube, and have a similarly obvious purpose that can be summed up in just a few words.

[thomasdawes]

I signed up for an account too, but there doesn't seem like much todo on Mosh... Can any elaborate what MOSH is for?

[Texrat]

At the moment it appears to be a place to download what seem to be warez copies of mobile phone games and pictures of women in bikinis.

Yeah buddy!

And rofl at my MOSH ranking:

Texrat
My rank: 42,599 (top 101%)

The top 101%! Yay! Wait-- wtf kinda stat is THAT??? :eek:

[sjgadsby]

So... how many of you have signed up for Mosh since hearing about this story?

You just prompted me to try, but it seems the "Mobile Phone Number" field is required for registration even though it's not marked with an asterisk. I wonder if that will change should these rumors of the N810 prove correct.

[Tuxedosteve]

This is some form of horrible torture. My N800 is sat unloved behind me on the desk. Tossed aside at the mere hint of new tech to come :)

[Greyghost]

At the moment it appears to be a place to download what seem to be warez copies of mobile phone games and pictures of women in bikinis.

Yep, when I signed up, I couldn't help noticing that two of the top categories were 'breasts' and 'boobs'. Yea baby!

Seriously, I have to wonder what makes this portal/service different other than the fact that it seems to be supported by Nokia? The UI is so last century!:eek:

[zerojay]

You just prompted me to try, but it seems the "Mobile Phone Number" field is required for registration even though it's not marked with an asterisk. I wonder if that will change should these rumors of the N810 prove correct.

No, it's not necessary. I just signed up leaving the number blank.

[sjgadsby]

No, it's not necessary. I just signed up leaving the number blank.

That did not work for me using Firefox on Mac OS. MOSH redisplayed the registration form web page, this time with the text "You must enter a phone number" in red below the phone number field. However, I was able to sign up by visiting http://mosh.nokia.mobi/start in MicroB on my N800. That registration page didn't include a phone number field.

[zerojay]

That did not work for me using Firefox on Mac OS. MOSH redisplayed the registration form web page, this time with the text "You must enter a phone number" in red below the phone number field. However, I was able to sign up by visiting http://mosh.nokia.mobi/start in MicroB on my N800. That registration page didn't include a phone number field.

Worked fine for me on Firefox for Windows.

[sixpence]

I hope that even if it does have a slider querty keyboard (EW!), that they do something about the way the characters are so freaking close to each other. I think that they were on to something big with an on-screen keyboard and they develop on it, making it more user friendly for people that aren't double jointed.

At least they should keep the on-screen keyboard on there, for us to decide which method we want to choose.

And when they discussed it becoming more mainstream, I hope to GOD they don't put a Windows based O.S on there. I'll shoot someone.

Nerf .ash and put bash on there!

Kthnxbai

[Tuxedosteve]

I doubt we'd lose access to the virtual keyboard if they added a slide keyboard. That would not make much sense. If it was a clamshell design then maybe due to the form factor but not for slideout.

One thing a slide keyboard would do is make the ports of various Ultima games mentioned in the games section a bit easier :) That's good enough for me.

[jzencovich]

Just an interesting note... Whenever I search for N810, most of the hits appear to be that carphone someone posted earlier in this thread...It's obviously 810 (thats the way Nokia lists it: http://europe.nokia.com/A4142005), but I wonder why so many websites associate it wrongly to the Nseries....

There's a conspiracy afoot! :p

[Texrat]

There's a conspiracy afoot! :p

I blame Steve Ballmer.

[Noneus]

Any word about a better processor? If it isn't better at video decoding I won't buy it.

[Milhouse]

Video bandwidth is the issue with the N800, not so much the processor (although it contains hardware video acceleration which is woefully underused). The design of the N800 video interface seems to have been compromised for one reason or another, we can only hope the new device didn't suffer the same fate.

[Noneus]

Perhaps Chinook fixes this issue? I just want to be able to play h264 at 25fps....

[johnkzin]

I don't think anyone has answered "what exactly is the point of MOSH" yet. One of the blurbs said you could upload documents for sharing. I wonder if it might finally also be a way to sync contacts and bookmarks. That'd be useful, especially if, since it says it'll work with PC's, that the bookmarks and contacts might also be exportable into other application formats (thunderbird and firefox being the ones I'd care about).

That would make MOSH useful to me. If it's a general data sync service for my IT, and can interoperate with Thunderbird and Firefox on my Mac. Then they'd just need a calendar/to-do that also syncs with it.

I've also almost convinced my girlfriend to buy one ... but she needs a way to import and export with Word on her PC.

So... can anyone tell if MOSH fills in these gaps?

[zerojay]

I don't think anyone has answered "what exactly is the point of MOSH" yet. One of the blurbs said you could upload documents for sharing. I wonder if it might finally also be a way to sync contacts and bookmarks. That'd be useful, especially if, since it says it'll work with PC's, that the bookmarks and contacts might also be exportable into other application formats (thunderbird and firefox being the ones I'd care about).

That would make MOSH useful to me. If it's a general data sync service for my IT, and can interoperate with Thunderbird and Firefox on my Mac. Then they'd just need a calendar/to-do that also syncs with it.

I've also almost convinced my girlfriend to buy one ... but she needs a way to import and export with Word on her PC.

So... can anyone tell if MOSH fills in these gaps?

No, it doesn't do that. It's mainly for sharing content with others.

[rs-px]

I don't think anyone has answered "what exactly is the point of MOSH" yet.

What is MOSH? It's one of those silly ideas that mobile phone companies dream up in a vague attempt to encourage you to make better use of their devices.

This particular idea seems to be a blatant exploitation of Web2.0-style concepts.

All that happens is that after an expensive launch, a few teenagers sniff around the new service and it ends up being used for little more than the sharing of porn videos. The mobile phone company Three launched something similar here in the UK, with the idea of "leveraging their community". When I last checked, all there seemed to be was movies of girls getting their boobs out.

Of course, I might be wrong. MOSH could be the biggest thing in the history of the Internet. :rolleyes:

[maxinflixion]

All that happens is that after an expensive launch, a few teenagers sniff around the new service and it ends up being used for little more than the sharing of porn videos. ... When I last checked, all there seemed to be was movies of girls getting their boobs out.




I think this is a great idea!

[johnkzin]

I thought that's what the internet was for?

[Texrat]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWEjvCRPrCo&mode=related&search=

[kenny]

You're right, SD69. There's no way. We'd see Sprint logos all over the place if so.

Unfortunately, Sprint may be pulling the plug on their WiMax plans. Due to investor pressure, the CEO who was behind their big WiMax push has recently been forced to quit.

[johnkzin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWEjvCRPrCo&mode=related&search=

Exactly :-)

(I have the soundtrack for the play that the song actually comes from (avenue Q ... which is actually a muppet type play))

[johnkzin]

Unfortunately, Sprint may be pulling the plug on their WiMax plans. Due to investor pressure, the CEO who was behind their big WiMax push has recently been forced to quit.

That would be a downright shame. And downright stupid.

Do you have an article ref on the CEO stepping down? (not challenging you, just want to see the stupidity for myself)

[merovingian]

compusa had the n800 in store before pretty much anyone had them for sale.

anyone know of a way to search the compusa system?

Nothing of the sort in the system.

[SD69]

By the way this new tablet IS very expensive: 100,- euros more than the N800 when it was released. I think they will be adding GPS and navigation software, those are expensive and that would explain the extra amount.I can corroborate these additions.

[Tuxedosteve]

Do you mean you're giving us confirmation that the N810 will have GPS?

[johnkzin]

By the way this new tablet IS very expensive: 100,- euros more than the N800 when it was released. I think they will be adding GPS and navigation software, those are expensive and that would explain the extra amount.

Where are you seeing this price and feature confirmation from? Anything you can show us/post?

[cairn]

@johnkzin

Here's Engadget's blurb (http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/08/gary-forsee-out-as-sprints-ceo/) about the Sprint CEO stepping down and its possible effect on the WiMax rollout.

[Tuxedosteve]

Where are you seeing this price and feature confirmation from? Anything you can show us/post?

There was a Finnish website listing the N810 for a short while with price. No technical details though and they took the page down fairly quickly.

[SD69]

Do you mean you're giving us confirmation that the N810 will have GPS?If you want the next version of the IT (not the 2008 WiMax version) to come with GPS and navigation software, you should be satisfied...

[Tuxedosteve]

If you want the next version of the IT (not the 2008 WiMax version) to come with GPS and navigation software, you should be satisfied...

How do you know? (And does it have a slideout keyboard? ;) )

[Bernard]

Where are you seeing this price and feature confirmation from? Anything you can show us/post?

It is just logical deduction. If you update a device with a newer version without adding any major new functionality, but DO increase the introduction price by a large amount than you will sell less units than you did with the previous model on introduction. (a higher price results in a smaller audience).
Nokia wants to increase the audience for the internet tablets, so that doesn't seem right.
So it is logical to conclude that the higher priced device will have a major new functionality built in. Since the software for navigation is already available as an optional add-on for the current N800, I suspect it will probably be just that (easiest to implement).

But other things are also possible. Nokia could also have added a high quality video / photo camera or a 3G phone/data module or have added a lot of build in storage space (a hard disk or lots of flash memory, and hence adding video and audio playback features)

"Small" changes like a faster processor or TV-out or a slide out keyboard do not add to the usefulness of the device directly, so it is highly questionable if consumers will be willing to pay 100 euros extra for that.

[Viipottaja]

Well, I would argue adding a slide out keyboard will probably increase the production cost fairly significantly too, similar to adding a GPS chip.

[Bernard]

Well, I would argue adding a slide out keyboard will probably increase the production cost fairly significantly too, similar to adding a GPS chip.

That could be true, but I don't think the production costs are the main factor in the price. Nokia Internet tablets are expensive when compared to similar hardware from other manufacturers. For example the ipod Touch or the Archos player.
Also the fact that the 770 and N800 decrease in price very strongly after 9-12 months indicates that nokia prices the devices according to their own strategies. There are NO other devices with this combination of features: Open source software and hardware functionality. The IT's are unique, so Nokia can price the devices as they see fit (depending on the audience Nokia wants to target).

[johnkzin]

It is just logical deduction. If you update a device with a newer version without adding any major new functionality, but DO increase the introduction price by a large amount than you will sell less units than you did with the previous model on introduction. (a higher price results in a smaller audience).



You missed my point.

How do you know that the price is 100 Euro higher? Where are you getting the concrete information that this is true?

[johnkzin]

If you want the next version of the IT (not the 2008 WiMax version) to come with GPS and navigation software, you should be satisfied...

huh. If I could think of any 2 features that I would really want on the next version of the IT, neither of those would have been anywhere near the cut. Probably not even in my top 10.

[SD69]

How do you know? (And does it have a slideout keyboard? ;) )I can't say how I know, but soon enough others will find a way to confirm what I have said. ;)

I don't know the situation with the slideout keyboard or the price increase.

[Texrat]

huh. If I could think of any 2 features that I would really want on the next version of the IT, neither of those would have been anywhere near the cut. Probably not even in my top 10.

See, it's amazing how different everyone's wants/needs are. GPS + nav app would be in my top 3.

[johnkzin]

In no particular order, my top 12:

1) native calendar (can be a cheapie one, people can get Dates or GPE Calendar for the full fledged one), including todo list

2) sync data in some fashion that is compatible with Thunderbird, Sunbird, and Firefox (bookmarks, contacts, events, todo's)

3) 2nd USB port, in host mode, charge via USB on the client port

4) universal "spell check as you type" from a built-in dictionary, that works across all of the native apps (notes, mail, browser, google-talk), and is available as in the API for add-on apps.

5) video out (pref. mini-DVI with DVI-A support so you can use mini-DVI to VGA and mini-DVI to video cables.)

6) support for bluetooth stereo headsets (with and without microphones)

7) slide'n'tilt keyboard (that can be tilted without sliding, to replace the built in stand), retaining the current buttons on the face of the device (not moving them to the keyboard)

8) Bluetooth PAN, and whatever support is necessary to transparently support storage from bluetooth hard drives (Seagate DAVE, Agere BlueOnyx).

9) software and bluetooth support necessary to use the N810 as a handset/controller for a cell phone (display caller-id, dial calls directly, dial calls from contacts list, answer calls, route voice in/out through N810).

10) finish the mini-mozilla browser, and add a mini-mozilla mail client (or, at least an IMAP client that delivers the functionality I keep talking about).

11) transparent to the app (except that it gets told to re-size itself to fit the new aspect ratio) ability to use both portrait and landscape. Doesn't have to detect via accelerometer, it can be button induced.

12) small user facing camera for chatting, camera/video (cell phone quality) camera facing away from the user (on the back of the device).

[DingerX]

Since everyone's making their predictions, here's my equally pointless analysis:

First off, lessons learned:
Tapping into the Open Source ecosystem is one of the major goals for the NIT project. So killing support on the n770 so early was something of a misstep, since the time frame was insufficient for all those projects to emerge. Also, part of sound marketing on a new product release is reassuring those who own the old product of the quality of their purchase. That's basic. So I don't see them killing support for the n800 right away.
That said, something needs to be done about the n800's video speed. Screen tearing on scrolling is a serious problem.
Likewise, if they're going to have a camera on a device, they better support it.

Now, as for what _did_ get developed for the NITs:
so far, the #1 breakout application is MaemoMapper. The really cool part isn't the Navigation feature (that's done better elsewhere), but the ability (as an OSS project) to gain access to extremely high quality maps and photographs (and in the future, internet POI databases), and present them in a device you can have in your pocket. Any number of navigation devices can tell you how to get from point A to B, but how many can deliver high-resolution satellite imagery of your location?

So it's no surprise that Nokia would be developing a tablet with built-in GPS. That's one of the most active areas for open-source development, and provides one of the most unique features.

the other big usage coming up is mobile VoIP. Skype-enabled WiFi phones are a surprisingly growing sector of the market, and a NIT's cost is close enough for people to consider them. Adding slide-out thumbboard? I dunno, if it works, okay.

The final element they should be looking to add is excitement. OSS projects aren't terribly good at this, but even so, many of the most involved OS projects are to make the media players look and work in a useful manner.

As for MOSH, heh. Everyone's looking for the next ITMS, where a hardware company used their market dominance to build an internet service. Good luck on that guys.

[Tuxedosteve]

My wish list is fairly straight forward.

1. Slideout keyboard. Killer feature for me.
2. Video problems fixed. If Nokia haven't fixed this then it plainly obvious they aren't trying.
3. Full speed Flash. Again. You can't have a focus on Web2.0 without working flash.
4. Increases in cpu speed and memory. I'd have thought this would be the one thing we could be sure of.
5. While I personally don't have much use for GPS I certainly wouldn't complain if it was added. I'm sure I could find something fun to do with it.
6. BT PAN support. Who knows. I might end up with a phone that uses it one day and plenty of other people need the support.
7. PIM apps. Not a half hearted job either. People see this device and think it's either a phone or a PDA. Doesn't that show a need for PDA style apps?
8. For heavens sake ditch the current media player and get the backend running MPlayer. We'll thank you for it Nokia. Honestly.
9. Internal harddrive would be nice but it isn't a deal breaker.
10. Give us a hard case back.
11. Make the top buttons more like they were on the 770.

[mathew.chacko]

I saw this news also at Def Jam News [ www.defjam.com ] site

http://www.defjam.com/site/news.php?news_id=104211

IDJ Radio, along with Nokia’s mobile sharing service MOSH and new Nokia N810 Internet Tablet to be showcased at press event, on first evening of CTIA Wireless conference

[TA-t3]

3) 2nd USB port, in host mode, charge via USB on the client port

The host mode port should of course be powered to be useful. Then we could also charge the device by plugging a USB cable from the host port to the client port.. d*mn, I'm going to patent that idea! ;)

[dan]

Engadget just announced!
Sweeeeet!!!!

http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/17/nokia-n810-gets-official/

[johnkzin]

Well, looks like almost none of my hardware concerns were addressed. Right down to the fact that they moved the menu and dpad buttons down to the keyboard. Have to wait and see if the software concerns were addressed.

It's pretty, a well done design, except for the menu button and dpad placement (I'd have put it on the right side of the screen).

Will I buy it? I dunno. Depends on when we see the FCC docs for the WiMAX version. I might wait for that one.

[johnkzin]

From Nokia's nseries page, I can see at least one of my software concerns was not addressed:

Bluetooth doesn't list PAN support.

Also, there are multiple variants of the N810 it seems (quoted from their tech specs page):

HW keyboard variants: English, German, French, Italian, Spanish-Portuguese, Scandinavian and Russian


Slight reduction in camera capability: it's now only user facing, making it harder to use it as a regular camera. Personally, I have no use for a chat cam, but wouldn't mind having a photograph/video camera.


More RAM is good. 2GB internal memory, but it looks like it only has 1 card slot ... so, the internal slot is now dedicated to 2GB? That's what I've got in mine now. But now that they officially support SDHC cards, you wont be able to put a 16GB card for internal use? Not a good change.


Though, I will say, the door for the memory card looks more impressive than the N800's.

I do really wish they had done a slide'n'tilt instead of the N800 style stand (where you could tilt without sliding, so that it looks like an inverted laptop (screen facing outward instead of inward), and you get that as your desk stand for it).

Oh well. Life goes on.

[ArnimS]

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