So will you buy the N8100?

[rr0123]

I sure will. I can't wait. I've been wanting a keyboard since the 770.

[edited title to say N810 instead of N8100 LOL]

[iball]

There's an N8100? I thought there was only an N810!
What does the N8100 do? Satellite phone capability? Document scanning? Voice recognition?

[cman74]

Holy Christ! N810 and N8100 - two product announcements today!

[jonmlee]

Most likely not.

I've been happy with maemo mapper, mplayer, canola, sdict viewer, evince, fbreader, four rivers, and all the other developer efforts but i haven't been too pleased with Nokia, Skype (video???).

The lack of communication during the OS updates has been really frustrating. Granted I've only had the N800 for 6 months and I bought it when it was priced at $380, I can say I don't want to spend anymore money with Nokia. I don't regret spending the money on it since I've gotten good usage from my N800, but I don't want to commit to them unless they're committed to us. I still feel the N800 is underutilized in terms of video conferencing, web/flash browsing, java and the UI aspects.

[finite]

Hell no, I won't. That keyboard looks like it will be slower to use than the virtual one. The lack of SD slots is incredible. The price is too high. The screen is still unprotected. The camera's rotation problems were fixed by being removed completely. WTF, nokia?!

I am looking forward to seeing a video of someone trying to type something with the keyboard, I think it will be immediately apparent how bad it is. I am also looking forward to trying it myself in CompUSA or whatever store sells them near me, but no, I don't expect to buy one.

Are people here aware that the Eee PC will be on sale in two weeks? It doesn't really compare directly to the tablets, I realize, but it could definitely fulfill many of the tablet use-cases.

[chatterbox]

I'm not planning on buying one, (I'm not it's target audience) but I'm very happy for it's release. Especially since it means an upgrade for my N800 firmware in the near future. 400 mhz here I come!

Also, this tablet gives many people what they've been clamoring for, a hardware keyboard. I've been fine using a BT keyboard the few times I've wanted more input speed. I do look forward to (hopefully) encountering more tableteers who finally hop on with the new hardware!

[rcadden]

Hell no, I won't.
That keyboard looks like it will be slower to use than the virtual one.
The lack of SD slots is incredible.
The price is too high.
The screen is still unprotected.
The camera's rotation problems were fixed by being removed completely. WTF, nokia?!


1. Looks. Don't knock it till you tried it, didn't your mama ever teach you that?
2. Incredible if you've actually bought 2 SD cards for your N800. I would venture to say that a large majority of N800 owners are either using the one that came with it, or have purchased AT MOST one card. Upping it to 2GB built-in out of the box will be a big upgrade for most Tablet users
3. The 770 debuted at $379 (or something around there), and the N800 debuted at $399. The N810 is $479, but also comes with the car mount in the box, a first for the tablet series. Perhaps it's ~$20 too high, but it's not outrageous, considering the line's history.
4. It's a touchscreen.
5. Do you really use the camera?

[Kozzi]

1. Looks. Don't knock it till you tried it, didn't your mama ever teach you that?
2. Incredible if you've actually bought 2 SD cards for your N800. I would venture to say that a large majority of N800 owners are either using the one that came with it, or have purchased AT MOST one card. Upping it to 2GB built-in out of the box will be a big upgrade for most Tablet users
3. The 770 debuted at $379 (or something around there), and the N800 debuted at $399. The N810 is $479, but also comes with the car mount in the box, a first for the tablet series. Perhaps it's ~$20 too high, but it's not outrageous, considering the line's history.
4. It's a touchscreen.
5. Do you really use the camera?

You just succeeded in making me more confused in choosing N800 or N810 :)

[DemonBob]

I most likely will, depending. This will be my first tablet. I first got interested in it a few weeks ago when i saw an article on using it as an LinuxMCE Orbiter. The keybord don't bother me at all since i've use an even smaller one on my phone. Not to mention they still have the OSK, on the device. I've toyed around with the N800 at compusa a few days ago, but still, i'd like to toy around with the N810 before i decide. Even though i think the GPS will be the deciding factor, since i am a field engineer, and sometimes find myself in the most backwood of places.

[Mattox]

I'll be getting it for certain.

I would like to see a video of the keyboard in use though.

[chill633]

Since I never purchased the N800, the price drop is making me seriously consider getting THAT.

My main complaints about the N800 was the adding of the second speaker, which I think was pure marketing BS. Unfortunately, so the marketing dept could say "stereo speakers", it make the unit too big.

The 810 is back down to a nice, svelte size but I have a BT keyboard and while GPS is nice, I'm not sure it is worth $200 to me.

The test will come when I head on down to Fry's Electronics and hold the two units in my hand. I want to feel the heft and compare the sizes before I make a final decision.

[Greyghost]

I probably will not get the N810 because I love my N800 so much and don't see any improvement in the new tablet that makes it worth the purchase price right now. I don't use GPS, and if I did, I'd like get one of the BT receivers and use the new MeamoMapper 2.0 that is soon to be released:)

The keyboard is not something I'd use. I thought the N800 was quite innovative for not bothering with a tiny useless bit o breakable hardware, and still think so. For the last 8 momths, I didn't even need the keyboard! I just bought the Apple BT and now I have the perfect combo.

No, what I really want is the 2008 OS, and here's the great part: since I already own the N800 I don't have to buy anything to get a 'new' device! Ok so it's not really going to be new, but the improvements in user interface customization look very promising to me. I love to mess around with that s**t!

I may not be the 'typical' user, but the group here is so diverse, I think there isn't such a beast, and that Nokia's got it right by offering both. I'm even thinking of getting another N800 now that the price is down! Then I could at least have a video chat w/myself:eek:

[alvindd]

NO.
I feel as though the N800 is not complete yet; can not log into my SIRIUS account online.
Many web sites are inaccessible to the N800.

They will not fool me again with a product that truly can not "surf" the Internet.
As a media player it fails also.

[mrlanrat]

Ill probably get one. or mabey a N800 since they went down in price....

[boblinds]

I don't think so. Although they appear to have added some useful features, placing the D-pad on the pullout drawer is a major misfire, IMO, along with the loss of an expansion port (regardless of expanded internal memory) and still no return of the hard cover.

Plus, unless I've missed it (quite possible since I've been ill today), I don't see any mention of the 770 in the OS upgrade plans. If it's the case that Nokia will leave that installed base in the dust (with an OS that frequently crashes and locks, at least for me), then it doesn't speak well for their customer relations and I'm not interested in sharing any more of my money with them.

Oh yeah, and I think that silly stand looks like something that will get in the way more often than it gets used.

[benny1967]

Certainly not. The keyboard is a waste of space - it could have been so much smaller and lighter without it; there could have been full-size SD-slots and mini-USB...

The most annoying thing, however, is that again there is no hard cover, so this is not a mobile internet device. I'm doing fine with my 770. Thank you very much.

(I really wonder if my next mobile device will be a Nokia IT, they're getting worse from model to model; it seems other companies are getting ready to bring similar GNU/Linux-based products to the market. Maybe one of them will do better.)

[Tuxedosteve]

I'll be buying one. I love having a physical keyboard, GPS is a nice bonus and something I wouldn't normally buy separately. The lack of the extra memory card slot is an issue but a 4 gig miniSD card would give me more storage than I have at the moment anyway.

Plus I don't have to get rid of my N800 either. I think I'll start hacking it. Maybe install KDE.

[lavo]

Interestingly, the N800 in Australia is $579AUS. Doing an exchange rate calc, the N810 from the US will cost around $540AUS plus shipping.

Which would be a better way to go? Or get a N800 direct from the US?

[ysss]

I love hardware keyboards and onboard gpses. N810 is definitely a must buy for me, if not for the 'missing' SD slot because I bought a couple of 8GB cards along with my N800 order from Amazon a few months ago.

If it shows tangible improvement in processing speed and response time, I'd definitely order one though.

[mrp]

not yet this one. I have a 770. Next internettablet I shall buy has to include internal HSDPA for mobile internet connection

[artkavanagh]

I'm not going to buy anything with a thumbboard, and a sliding thumbboard at that. It looks like a sodding phone.

Can't wait to try the new OS on my N800, though.

[chippy]

The N810 is wondrful for the wider market but its not for me.

The N800, while it was one of the fastest and most complete arm-based browsers, was still slow. This token upgrade of clockrate wont do much to help that. Other issues for me are:

Keybaord backlight?
USB Host capability
No extended battery
No native offline bogging app
No built in cell-data capability
Small memory/storage (is it 2GB internal?)
No multi-protocol IM client (although mebo is said to work)
Too high pixels per inch (200 is my limit)
No docking station
No vga / s-video out
No eternal mic input
No screen rotate (ebooks etc)

I know that requirement set takes me up to an $800-class device but thats my entry point for a mobile internet device so ill have to skip the n810.

I think the design is wonderfl though and i cant wait to see x86 based devices in this form factor and size in 2008 (mobile-itx) and 2009 (Moorestown)

Thanks to Reggie for doing a superb job on reporting. Keep it up.

Chippy - Iin bed on the Everun - A Real mobile internet device! ;-)

[wazd]

Keybaord backlight? = it is
USB Host capability = not so easy but it is
No extended battery = buy 2nd)
No native offline bogging app = ...
No built in cell-data capability = what the hell is that :)
Small memory/storage (is it 2GB internal?) = 2gb int. + any ext.
No multi-protocol IM client (although mebo is said to work) = Pidgin
Too high pixels per inch (200 is my limit) = so so
No docking station = why the hell do u need that sh*t?)
No vga / s-video out = damn)
No eternal mic input = it is.
No screen rotate (ebooks etc) = for e-books - it is :)

[efb]

I am still in the decision making process.

I believe Nokia N810 should be the better option for those who don't own a Nokia Internet Tablet yet. I don't find the price outrageous for a new buyer but it's hard on someone who had just spent $400 on N800 to spend another $479 in less than a year. I am confused if I should try selling-off N800 to buy N810 or instead keep it for ruthless hacking purposes.

I am not sure about the usefulness of the slide-out keyboard, but if it gets positive reviews, that alone should close the deal for me. Otherwise nothing short of miraculously improved support for audio/video formats and flash videos could convince me to buy it. All the GPS stuff is irrelevant to me.

I was initially planning to pre-order whenever the next version of N800 becomes available but going by N810's press release, I think I will wait for the reviews.

[chippy]

Keybaord backlight? = it is
USB Host capability = not so easy but it is
No extended battery = buy 2nd)
No native offline bogging app = ...
No built in cell-data capability = what the hell is that :)
Small memory/storage (is it 2GB internal?) = 2gb int. + any ext.
No multi-protocol IM client (although mebo is said to work) = Pidgin
Too high pixels per inch (200 is my limit) = so so
No docking station = why the hell do u need that sh*t?)
No vga / s-video out = damn)
No eternal mic input = it is.
No screen rotate (ebooks etc) = for e-books - it is :)

Excelent info. Nice to see mic input, screen rotate. Forgot about picgin.

Just need to fix the rendering speed, add an hsdpa modem, usb host (i dont have time to hack) more internal mem (i guess 30GB should be posible/economical in a few years.) Docking station is great for desktop use and vga/s-vid/digital audio/usb/power so ill need that too. Do they have native photo editing ap yet? (crop, resize,change saved format)

Regards
Steve. Stil in bed. Must get up soon!

[Noneus]

I guess I won't buy one. The only thing that really makes it better is GPS. And then there is the major stepdown in storage. I guess I'll wait for the for the Intel MID's. Some of them might have 1024x600. They have a completely open system. I don't know.

[fpp]

Not sure, but pro'lly not soon. I skipped the N800 but have a BT keyboard and GPS for my 770. I might just get me a cheap N800 just for OS2008...

[rs-px]

I've got a 770 and initially intended to get an N800, but held off for this announcement.

I'm not going to buy an N810. It's just too expensive. I don't think pricing has been announced here in the UK but, generally, it's either a dollar for sterling conversion (ie the N810 will be around £490), or the sterling price is two thirds. Whatever the case, it's just too damned expensive. Two dollars = one British pound. Do the math.

The Asus Eee is available here for £200, by the way. I know it's not like for like, but anybody looking for a ultra-portable Internet device can't help but cast longing glances in Asus' direction. Especially if the 810 or 800 are more expensive. Asus probably rushed-out their announcement to spike the N810's launch.

But I'm very much looking forward to the N800 falling in price to the point where I don't feel ripped-off buying it, and then installing OS2008 on it, to take advantage of those extra megahertz. To me, OS2008 will perfect the N800. All we need now is a decent word processor, or even text editor.

So, in short, the N810 has given me a compelling reason to buy the N800. This is good for everybody -- bear in mind that the N800 hasn't gone out of production. The N810 is an alternative to the N800 and not a replacement.

[Noneus]

The EEE is not ultra portable. You can't put it in your trousers. But waiting for MIDs by Intel is probably a good cause of action. There surely will be more variety in Intel's MIDs in the hardwarespecs.

[BarneyC]

Most likely not for me.

I have a BT keyboard and GPS - and given an OS update the only other benefit for me would be er...... nah can't think of one.

Personally I have an i-Mate JasJam with a slidey out keyboard and without the tilt of the newer Tytn II any slide out keyboard is not going to be a selling point for me. Quite frankly i) they aren't that comfortable to use for any length of time and ii) they require you to hold the device at a very wierd angle normally resulting in some dodgy reflections in the screen.

BUT and it is a decent but the integration of the maps and software is a damn fine idea. I hope these are made available to N800 users when the new OS is available.

As for the 2Gb of ram that's a great idea for the average consumer (nothing else to buy for most) but I'm loaded with an 8Gb and 1Gb card right now and the 1Gb is about to be replaced with another 8Gb. Music, vids, heaps of technical spec docs and stuff.

The N810 will appeal to a wider audience and that's cool. The more users of the underlying OS will mean more support, better applications and a better user experience in the short term and that all has to be good.

But the N800 has some legs in it yet.

[Meraxupypr]

I think price is too high for almost same device as n800.

[ddalex]

I have a 770 and I've also been waiting for the next tablet. I don't think the N810 would do it for me, since I already have a BT GPS, it runs ok on all sites to which I need immediate and mobile access to (email, Google), and Canola for media playing does it for me. The hardware keyboard is a nice addition, but the lack of screen cover is a major turnoff - I dropped my 770 on pavement quite a few times, and aside from scratched and damaged cover (which it only makes it look cooler, IMHO), the tablet is quite healthy, thanks to the cover.
I only hope we're gonna see a IT2008 release for 770 (even a stable hacker version)

[belder]

I like Nokia is giving its customers a choice and the N800 sounds more suited to my needs. I use Skype all the time and will use the camera. I have a GPS unit so no need to duplicate that. (Although Garman has fantastic maps)

And, kudos to Nokia for matching operating systems in the two models. I will use the N800 expanded memory slot because I'll keep my tunes on a card. I have never wanted it to replace my laptop, but would prefer to check an N800 on a flight or take it out for errands to be able to check my e-mail for my business.

[Rocketman]

I am going to have to hold it in my hands and play with one for a while before I consider buying. Here is some of the good and bad:

Good:

-An OS release that will bring IT OS closer to desktop Linux parity. This will hopefully make for easier porting of applications. Commitment to maintain OS parity on N800 for at least several revisions. Thinking in terms of "platforms" and not products is good.

-Somewhat smaller, making it more easily pocketed

-Supposedly a brighter, transflective screen, although I have yet to hear this direct from someone who can speak with authority.

-Ambient light sensor might help more intelligently use battery by auto-dimming screen in darker environments. I hope this functionality is directly exposed so that I can overide it.

-Faster processor

-More formats listed for media support (although I will believe it when I see it)

-Integral GPS is nice, although the GPS on my N95 absolutely sucks, so a lot depends on the quality of implementation.

-They got rid of the pop-out camera in favor of one mounted on the screen bezel. Remains to be seen if the quality is as atrociously bad as the one on the N800 though.

-Keyboard will be nice for quick replies to emails, im's, etc. For serious typing, I would still carry a bluetooth keyboard. Keyboard appears to be backlit.

Bad:

-The new OS breaks compatibility with OS 2007 in a way that will require that basically all existing 3rd party apps will have to be rewritten. If they were going to force this break, I wish they would have given me a real window manager and let me use almost any Linux app without major modification to support the joke that is HILDON.

-Moving the D-PAD onto the slide out keyboard is a BAD BAD idea. On the N800 and 770 the D-pad and all other buttons were within easy reach of your left hand's thumb and index finger. This made it possible to access most device and software functionality one handed. Now, some of the primary device control keys are on the screen and some are on the slider. This NIT is a two handed device. Not only that, but as a two handed device, the positioning of these keys is rather poor. I hope you all have very flexible fingers.

-VERY high price at launch, much much higher than the n800 while only delivering two major feature upgrades. Keeping the device at a lower price point makes it much more attractive to many people and a lot of people will look at the price and say "if I am spending this much already, I might as well spend a little more and get a MID or an ultra mobile pc of some sort.

-Previous Nokia GPS solutions have been atrociously bad performing compared to even garden variety $30 bluetooth GPS units that are scarcely bigger than a box of matches these days. While the unit comes with GPS mapping software, it sounds like certain route guidance and POI features will cost extra. Nothing worse than getting nickeled and dimed especially when cheap alternatives exist.

-N800 had two SDHC storage card slots allowing for a staggering amount of storage in a portable device. The N810 has only one and it is a smaller type, meaning it is no longer useful for viewing photos from cameras. A lot of N800 users have invested significant $ in storage cards and to have to make further card purchased and not be able to get as large a card capacity is a real kick in the teeth.

-2 GB of internal flash ram is nice, but is no substitute for a swapable card. Flash is also know to go bad from time to time, which makes this unattractive. I am also willing to bet that the flash is not formatted with a linux FS, but rather FAT, making it useless for program storage.

-Nokia has moved the speaker from the user facing front to side emitting. I bet the perceived volume will have gone down significantly and it will be easy to cover the speakers with your fingers while holding it. I think Nokia has placed too much emphasis on making the device smaller by moving things off the screen bezel and has significantly compromised device usability in doing so. I would have much rather seen a slider of similar size to the N800 with the D-PAD and speakers left in place, which would have also provided more space on the sliding keyboard for larger keys. The keys are extremely chiclet sized and don't appear to be convex. I hope those emails you have to write are short.

-N810 uses a micro-usb plug instead of the much more common mini-usb. Still no ability to charge the battery via USB or hostmode USB support for use of USB keyboards and low power flash drives. Gee, another cable to carry around. Thanks Nokia! :(

-N810 lacks a hard cover case, which was also one of the major, widespread complaints about the N800 compared to the N770. I know 770 users for whom this was a deal-breaker in upgrading to the N800. The N800 also had a lousy slip case and the long promised flip over screen protector took a long time to appear and then never really showed up at market. If I am going to spend $500 on a device, I want to know that it isn't going to get broken in my pocket after a week or have the screen scratched by my keys.

-While they have increased the processor speed to 400mhz, from the sound of it, the N810 is internally almost exactly the same beast as the N800. This likely means that the video sub-system issues that lead to inferior video playback performance are likely still present. The 770 actually had a faster video sub-system than it's sucessor, the N800, despite having a slower processor.

[Tragos]

No. I'm happy with my 770, I love the hard cover and USB host mode with power injector cable. And I already have a BT GPS unit.

[finite]

1. Looks. Don't knock it till you tried it, didn't your mama ever teach you that?
2. Incredible if you've actually bought 2 SD cards for your N800. I would venture to say that a large majority of N800 owners are either using the one that came with it, or have purchased AT MOST one card. Upping it to 2GB built-in out of the box will be a big upgrade for most Tablet users
3. The 770 debuted at $379 (or something around there), and the N800 debuted at $399. The N810 is $479, but also comes with the car mount in the box, a first for the tablet series. Perhaps it's ~$20 too high, but it's not outrageous, considering the line's history.
4. It's a touchscreen.
5. Do you really use the camera?

1. This thread is full of the opinions of people who haven't held one yet, and I did say I'm looking forward to trying it at the store.
2. For how much money some people spent on SDHC cards, it is really extremely lame that the new device cannot use them. At least with 770 and N800 we could move our RS-MMC cards between both devices. Now, while N800 can take all cards, 770 and N810 can't share at all. Not to mention all the cameras people already own SD cards for...
3. Have you seen the Eee PC? I think it is going to debut at under $300 still.
4. The 770 has a hard cover. Apple's crappy handhelds have glass screens with without a raised lip at the edge. The N810's screen looks as fragile as the N800's.
5. Not much, which is all the more reason why it is nice to not have it out all the time.

[=DC=]

I think it's a nice device, but worthy of a slightly lower price ($379 maybe). The fact that my N95-3 already has GPS capabilities, and I'm really not interested in a hardware keyboard on a mobile device like this just pushes it further away from what I'd want than even the N800.

I'll get a bit more use out of my 770 for now, and will surely enjoy the N95-3 features that are missing from the 770 and N800. And with the recent S60 Touch announcement, I'm wondering where Nokia is headed with this "five step plan"...

[Viipottaja]

Lol.. Nokia's biggest mistake so far seems to have to put that hard cover on the 770. It spoiled everyone and now they keep on *****ing about it not being there anymore. ;P

Btw, I am not an expert, but how many touchscreen devices out there DO have a hard cover shipped with them?

I will buy the N810, unless I decide to wait for the WiMax model which is supposedly to be announced by/before next summer (that was again repeated by Nokia in a Finnish magazine interview).

[Milhouse]

Viipottaja - did you ever own a 770?

The hard cover was a great idea, there may not be many touchscreen devices out there with a hard cover (the iPAQ HX4700 had one, and it was a horrible nasty plastic affair) but that doesn't mean it isn't a good idea when implemented correctly, which was certainly the case with the 770 (the maget automatically enabling sleep mode? A stroke of genius!)

[DoS]

If the N800 gets overclocked to 400MHz with the new OS, I'll be getting it, no doubt about it.

If not, I'll probably not get anything, at least not for now with this huge price.

[Mika73]

If even my N800 memorycards would work with N810.. But no..

I guess its better get BT-keyboard for N800 course thats one I miss most.. :)

[rcadden]

If the N800 gets overclocked to 400MHz with the new OS, I'll be getting it, no doubt about it.

If not, I'll probably not get anything, at least not for now with this huge price.

It will be overclocked with the OS upgrade. The N810 Software Product Manager stated that in an interview.

[TA-t3]

I'm not getting the N810, because
a) I'm no good with reduced-sized keyboards with too few keys, and
b) I prefer a full-size BT foldable keyboard for those occasions where the on-screen isn't good enough, and
c) I have a small BT GPS already, and
d) I can always buy Navicore separately if I need it, and
e) I really really need continued access to two full-sized SD slots.
As the keyboard, maps/navi, gps also add considerably to the cost with for me not-needed functionality, it's pretty obvious that the N810 is not a good match for me. For some people it will be the other way around.

[wls]

1. Looks. Don't knock it till you tried it, didn't your mama ever teach you that?
2. Incredible if you've actually bought 2 SD cards for your N800. I would venture to say that a large majority of N800 owners are either using the one that came with it, or have purchased AT MOST one card. Upping it to 2GB built-in out of the box will be a big upgrade for most Tablet users
3. The 770 debuted at $379 (or something around there), and the N800 debuted at $399. The N810 is $479, but also comes with the car mount in the box, a first for the tablet series. Perhaps it's ~$20 too high, but it's not outrageous, considering the line's history.
4. It's a touchscreen.
5. Do you really use the camera?

Absolutely and may I remind the cheapskates that you get a GPS and keyboard with that price along with an overall more compact device.

This device is clearly better than the Applle IpodTouch in features and I am seriously considering it. I have neither device and no axes to grind.

[Viipottaja]

Millhouse, yes, I did/do own the 770. I skipped N800. My point is that if the 770 never had had that hard cover, most people would never have even thought about asking for one. That what I meant by saying that Nokia made a mistake by including it in the 770 :) I.e. I was trying to be humorous. Sorry about that. ;)

[klinglerware]

I think that the most exciting news for N800 owners is that the N810 intro doesn't render the N800 obsolete. The fact that both devices will be running on the same OS is a plus for the future longevity of the N800 (longevity measured in computer-years, of course).

The introduction gives consumers new to the space a choice--the n800 at the lower price point vs the n810 with keyboard and GPS. While I would suspect that the n810 would perform a little better than the n800 by virtue of it being a newer device, once the OS is updated, the performance difference between the two devices won't be so bad.

Again, I'm very excited about the intro, but mainly because of the implications for my n800.

[TA-t3]

Actually, the one (and only) killer thing the N810 has for me is that it apparently has a transflective screen (just read it in another thread).

[Texrat]

I think price is too high for almost same device as n800.

Yeah, but I'm still struggling to access the GPS and built-in keyboard of my N800... :p

[Cantello]

It will be overclocked with the OS upgrade. The N810 Software Product Manager stated that in an interview.

This is the best I've heard in a long time. Finally XviD videos on the N800 in 640x480 resolution! :-)

[phi]

i've realized people whine and complain about the hardcover (like me) but that's also due to the fact that these tablets do have such fragile screens. When will Nokia copy Apple for their no bezel glass touch screens?

[peterjb31]

I like the idea of the device but for me I require the 2 full size sd cards. If my needs change I'd probably get it.

[rs-px]

I think that the most exciting news for N800 owners is that the N810 intro doesn't render the N800 obsolete. The fact that both devices will be running on the same OS is a plus for the future longevity of the N800 (longevity measured in computer-years, of course).

I think you can go even further than that in what you say. The N800 and N810 are the same thing, except that the N810 has different 'peripherals' in the form of a slide out keyboard, gps etc. But deep down they're the same computer.

The N810 is much more like a modern Nokia mobile phone, whereas the N800 remains truer to the internet tablet concept (which, maybe, Nokia is having second thoughts about now). But, as we say in the UK, it's horses for courses. Some prefer the N800. Some will prefer the N810. On a functional level, there's going to be no difference -- same fundamental hardware, same operating system.

I think some geeks will buy the N810 but, really, for people like us there's no reason to throw away the N800. I already have a GPS unit and a BT keyboard, and not only that but I have the know-how and patience to make them work. If somebody lacks this knowledge, or this patience, and wants things to "just work" out of the box then the N810 is a good purchase.

[ragnar]

i've realized people whine and complain about the hardcover (like me) but that's also due to the fact that these tablets do have such fragile screens. When will Nokia copy Apple for their no bezel glass touch screens?

Erm, the iPhone glass screen is much more fragile than the N800/N810 screen?

http://images.google.com/images?q=broken+iphone+screen

[flareup]

the loss of the second card slot is a big minus. the change of card format is also a minus.

One of the best "improvements" of 800 over 770 was the addition of he second card slot.

Surely for a device that aims to play music and videos you need as much data storgage as possible?

[TA-t3]

When will Nokia copy Apple for their no bezel glass touch screens?
Maybe with a hypothetical N820, which would be complementary to the N810 the way the N810 is complementary to the N800. This hypothetical N820 would have the following features:

- Screen like described by phi above (edit: If it's actually stronger..)
- And transflective, so it can be used in sunlight
- If Nokia wants to throw in that ambient light sensor for minimal extra cost I'm fine with that.
- 256MB RAM (up from 128)
- 512MB internal flash, if feasible (up from 256)
(those two may depend on what's actually available as an integrated memory chip. Could be that there's no such chip at the moment.)
- The leather pouch should have a little flip to close it, to avoid that the NIT falls out of it (which happens way too easily with the N800)
- Video throughput bottleneck of the N800 removed
For the rest, very close to the current N800 (the N820 will be an improved N800 in this scenario):
- No slide-out keyboard
- 2 full-size SD/SDHC slots

In other words, a pure, true N800 upgrade for those of us not matching the N810 target audience. As far as I can imagine the above feature set shouldn't be more costly than the original N800.

[Alvin]

Will I buy the N810?

- probably not. The N800 does everything I need it to do and the N810 has nothing new to offer me that I need.

(If I had a spare $500 sitting around that wouldn't get used up by kids/wife/house/car/etc. then I would get one)

[a2frankw]

I have used the 770 for about 18 months now. It has been a very interesting love/hate relationship. I passed on the N800 becouse of that relationship, saw no real gains to go with N800. I will be purchasing the N810, when available, as I have been in need of a GPS capable devise lately. On the added side I use MicroSD cards with MiniSD adaptors in my N73 cell. To all the developers in this forums, you have done a GREAT JOB on making and continuing to make the Maemo/Internet Tablet a usable reality.

[Texrat]

Erm, the iPhone glass screen is much more fragile than the N800/N810 screen?

http://images.google.com/images?q=broken+iphone+screen

Whoa... I wonder if it still works with cracks?

One plus for the Internet Tablet screen...

[Texrat]

.wo, I understand that. Trust me, I'm very, very familiar with the possible downsides of the IT screen (*shudder*). But in this case I think its flexibility is a plus, which is what I was alluding to.

There are pros and cons, of course, to either screen type.

[mike-y]

I'm a 770 user right now, so the 810 looks very attractive to me. I actually really like the new design, and had been looking at other devices that looked ver similar (but all of them cost WAY more than the 810). The 810 does everything that I wished my 770 did, like stream internet video (without downloading it first). I have spent a lot of time installing and modifying my 770 to get it to perform the way I want it to, and the 810 already does all of that right out of the box.

but, I'm not paying $500 for one. You can get a laptop for that price. I'll wait a bit, till prices come down a little, then I'll pick one up.

[Noneus]

I guess I'll do the same thing. Wait a bit. I looked at Intel's MIDs. There are some screenshots at moblin.org. And I'm quite underwhelmed. All these devices they'v shown are sluggish and I don't like the interface...

[koolguynet]

Didn't I just buy a new Internet Tablet from Nokia???

No, I won't be buying Internet Tablets every 8-12 months.

[Texrat]

Didn't I just buy a new Internet Tablet from Nokia???

No, I won't be buying Internet Tablets every 8-12 months.

I think it was a general question... ;)

[Hedgecore]

.wo: You'll also skip because it doesn't resemble a big old feminine hygeine product with that ghastly apple logo on the back. (I too was saddened that my 770 didn't match my apartment full of IKEA furniture.)

So, would I buy an N810. I love my 770 but passed on the N800. I was cheesed off at how it was handled by Nokia (They least they could've done was give 770 owners a trade in credit towards an N800 or something. As much as I love paying to beta test something they never had any intention of carrying forward, I feel a bit cheated.) The N810 seems to be the first mature NIT. It's looks have been refined a bit, and it's a lot more functional. I wish it had a hard case. When's Ari's birthday, maybe we can send him a cake with a hard cover on it to drive the point home. :) The added functionality and speed give it something the 770 lacked despite my love for it - - usability. I can view Flash now. Niiiiice.

If the price drops to $400, I'll buy it. Besides, with the Canadian dollar the way it is, that'd be like paying $375 :D

Also. Canada has about 8 cities with a million + people in them. We've had internet access available for at least 15 yrs. Some of the afforementioned cities have over 3 million people in them.

Would it be so logistically difficult to have some of these tablets available for us poor Canadians? I drove to Michigan for my 770, but these days to get across the border I'd have homeland security poking around my lower intestine looking for terrorists. (Thank god my company has an office in Michigan, I can get someone to float me a few hundred bucks and bring it up.)

* Edit: Nokia Canada DOES have the n800. Weird. http://www.nokia.ca/link?cid=PLAIN_TEXT_289130

* 2nd Edit: HAHAHHA it's $430 CDN. That's like $450 US right now.

[phi]

Erm, the iPhone glass screen is much more fragile than the N800/N810 screen?

http://images.google.com/images?q=broken+iphone+screen

that's a bunch of google images of the same phone. if the iPhone screen was that fragile that they were breaking in droves, all the Apple fan boys would have been suing Apple faster than you can say "user irreplaceable battery."

So, no...it is not as fragile. Unless you go around dropping your internet tablet on a regular basis.

[Roc Ingersol]

With the force it takes to crack an iPhone screen you would smash clear through the n800 and into the innards.

phi is absolutely right, Apple put a great screen protector on that thing and it's something Nokia would do well to copy. I'm not wild about much of the iphone - but the speed of their UI, the prox-weighted spell correction and the durability of the device are head and shoulders above the rest of the industry. Honestly, before Nokia gets around to their 'mass market' SKU, they would do well to revisit the durability of their screen.

As to the rest of phi's list though: sounds like the 810 already has the light sensor, transflective screen, removed video bottleneck - and rather than just 512MB of flash, it's going to have 2GB in addition to the 256MB internal.
Granted, most of that should be occupied by the maps, but iirc there should be more than 256mb of that free.

[exon]

phi is absolutely right, Apple put a great screen protector on that thing and it's something Nokia would do well to copy. I'm not wild about much of the iphone - but the speed of their UI, the prox-weighted spell correction and the durability of the device are head and shoulders above the rest of the industry. Honestly, before Nokia gets around to their 'mass market' SKU, they would do well to revisit the durability of their screen.


But the iPhone's screen is capacitive, no? And the Nokia is pressure-sensitive (is that resistive?). So it's more a question of choosing a different technology than just putting a piece of hard glass in front, isn't it? (And I've used neither, so I don't have a good opinion on which is the best choice. :) )

[dbec10]

It certainly is a beautiful piece of hardware. I'll have to decide between that and the HP 210 Enterprise Ed Handheld.

Waiting on PIM apps.

[Texrat]

if the iPhone screen was that fragile that they were breaking in droves, all the Apple fan boys would have been suing Apple faster than you can say "user irreplaceable battery."

Not the fanboys! They'd swear it was a feature. :p

[Mark S]

NO.
I feel as though the N800 is not complete yet; can not log into my SIRIUS account online.
Many web sites are inaccessible to the N800.

They will not fool me again with a product that truly can not "surf" the Internet.
As a media player it fails also.

Is that true? I looked at the specs, and it looks to me like Sirius would work with the new o/s because the built in media player is said to handle windows media files, and the mozilla based browser has flash 9. Why would that not do the trick? This will really make the device superb for me because now I can take the n800 around as a mobile sirius player, which will be great.

[Viipottaja]

Well, I recall reading somewhere that the iPod screen is quite expensive (single most expensive component on that damn thing), so having one on N810 would have (among other possible downsides) pushed the price up even further. And I am not sure it would be that great with a stylus anyway (yes you still need the stylus every now and then).

[Hedgecore]

I think the house down the street is way stronger than the N810. If you drop the house down the street a few feet from the ground it won't crack at all. The N810 needs to be a brick, because that's what makes the house down the street strong. I also picked up a Wifi signal from the house down the street so I think it's Wifi capable. Not only that, but there's a couple of coax jacks so I assume it has tv-out as well. The house down the street is also heated in the winter.

Would anyone else like to compare apples and oranges?

[finite]

Thank you Hedgecore :)

[Texrat]

Oh yeah? Well MY house down the street is two-storey, has a boat out front and a lawn that's always mowed. Does the N810 have THAT? No. Sucks.

[Hedgecore]

Yeah? Well I've got an iPhone in my house.

Crap. Come full circle.

Anyway, in a poor attempt to get back on topic. Nokia Canada is useless as the n800 is still at $430. Our dollar passed the US dollar weeks ago. This is silly. They're the direct manufacturer, it's not like they paid $370 for the stock and need to maintain their margin. But I digress (as usual).

I think I'm sticking to my guns in that I'll wait for it to drop to $399. The psychological shock of a '4' being in the first digit tells me I should be shopping for laptops and the like, not a tablet. (Again, its' not a UMPC)

[Texrat]

Cripes, you had to bring up that Canada-to-US dollar thing, didn't you. Don't you think our pride is wounded enough? It was bad enough when the euro raced by and left us in monetary dust, now we have to suffer the indignity of the CANADIAN dollar looking down at us. O, the humiliation. Liras we would prefer. Pesos even! Anything but Canadian dollars...

[Mara]

Cripes, you had to bring up that Canada-to-US dollar thing, didn't you. Don't you think our pride is wounded enough? It was bad enough when the euro raced by and left us in monetary dust, now we have to suffer the indignity of the CANADIAN dollar looking down at us. O, the humiliation. Liras we would prefer. Pesos even! Anything but Canadian dollars...

That you can blame greedy subprime mortgage lenders made mess and Ben Bernanke lowering Fed's rate two months ago...

[=DC=]

Just wait till we get the Amero...

[Texrat]

That you can blame greedy subprime mortgage lenders made mess and Ben Bernanke lowering Fed's rate two months ago...

Well, not to delve too deeply off topic (:D) but the US dollar has been eroding for some time.

And... "Amero"... lol DC.

[Roc Ingersol]

But the iPhone's screen is capacitive, no? And the Nokia is pressure-sensitive (is that resistive?). So it's more a question of choosing a different technology than just putting a piece of hard glass in front, isn't it? (And I've used neither, so I don't have a good opinion on which is the best choice. :) )Yeah, it's not as easy as putting a good piece of glass in front of the existing screen - but there's not a real good reason they couldn't switch touch technologies as well. I do like the pressure sensitivity in maemopad+ for sketching - but I'd rather have a screen I didn't have to worry about.

[zerojay]

I've dropped my N800 maybe about ten times from a height of about four feet or so. I do an extensive amount of chatting and the tablet is with me everywhere without a hard case... or even the soft case that came with it. (I lost it somewhere while I was moving a few months ago.)

If I haven't broken the screen yet, you don't have anything to worry about whatsoever.

[F1shb0ne]

Is it not a little awkward to require the keyboard to be extended in order to use the navigation pad? I'll have to demo it myself to make sure that's not a real usability issue before buying.

[Jaffa Cakes!]

Nope, Its beginning to be too much like a PDA with the slide out keyboard, if I wanted one of those I would go for a T-mobile MDA or Amio! In my op. the touchscreen keyboard is fine for an internet tablet, and in my eyes, the 770 will always be the best :P

[dbec10]

Well I may buy it because it has the potential to become MY PDA. Just have to find the right apps and someone to tell me that installing them is easy.

If I do the HP 210 will not see me. The N810 is far more superior.

[dbec10]

You see that's the great thing about open source. You can buy a device and download software to make it into whatever you want.

[tbutler@mac.com]

Erm, the iPhone glass screen is much more fragile than the N800/N810 screen?

http://images.google.com/images?q=broken+iphone+screen

I've owned handhelds going all the way back to the TRS-80 Pocket Computer in the early 80's. :) Scratched and especially worn/scuffed screens are far more common than cracked ones (though that did happen to me once, with a Palm Tungsten T). Give me a glass screen any day.

[JeffElkins]

I've owned handhelds going all the way back to the TRS-80 Pocket Computer in the early 80's. :)

LOL, I've still got mine (in working condition) and the manual as well. 4K of RAM and BASIC :)

I've been pouring through the threads here and have pretty much decided to buy the N810. I've been wanting a GPS unit anyways, and since I gave up my Zaurus I've been pining for a pocket debian. My birthday is next month and the family CEO has approved a $500 purchase order :)

Jeff

[traveller]

Short answer no.
Long answer - reasons against overwhelm reasons for.
Reasons against include.

Price compared to N800
Keyboard not looks fiddly and not much faster to work with than what we have
Replacing SD cards with weirdness

For me, the N800 is the superior product.

If they built an ITT with a keyboard like a Psion 3 (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/04/Psion_Series_3a.jpg/800px-Psion_Series_3a.jpg) and had real SD cards then I'd be very interested.

[fpp]

Huh ? Why not go directly for a Series5 (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/92/2005-04-16_Psion_Serie_5mx_PRO_24MB_beschn_unscharf_scharf .JPG) keyboard ? That would make for an awesome clamshell N900 :-)

[JeffElkins]

Well, I was fired up for the N810, but I just learned to fully utilize GPS it costs $130/36 mo. $600 may force me to reevaluate the $220 N800.

[johnkzin]

I just bought the Apple BT and now I have the perfect combo.

I've been thinking about getting the newest Apple Bluetooth keyboard as well. Did you have any problems setting it up with the N800?

(I had bought a Freedom Mini Duo bluetooth keyboard on ebay for under $50, so that I'd have an almost thumb-size keyboard, but it doesn't want to work with my N800 ... it works fine with my mac, but not with my N800; doesn't give me high hopes for the Freedom Slim bluetooth keyboard working with the N800)

[johnkzin]

Will I buy the N810?

At first I was saying I'd skip it, but the more I look and think about it, I'm thinking I'll get it. The design is growing on me, and it just seems more and more like it'd be a win for me.

Plus, I just found out I'm getting a bonus at work for my November paycheck. Big enough to buy an N810 (plus some other stuff, so, no, I'm not blowing my whole bonus on it).

So, yes, I'm currently planning to buy one next month. Hopefully it'll have the apps I care about ready by then (openssh client and server, vnc viewer, pidgin, tasks, dates, IDEA or simple launcher, omweather, and cpu-statusbar-clock; in addition to the default apps that I use (notes, sketch, file manager)).

[miro]

I seriously considered getting it but I think I'm going to wait. I'm a sucker for sliding keyboards but this one doesn't look to slide out enough. And moving the Dpad was a bad idea.

[luciditydigital]

i am certainly on for the n810, i skipped the n800 and stuck with the 770, but the slider kb and good looks have sealed it for me.

[Greyghost]

Will I buy the N810?

At first I was saying I'd skip it, but the more I look and think about it, I'm thinking I'll get it. The design is growing on me, and it just seems more and more like it'd be a win for me.

Plus, I just found out I'm getting a bonus at work for my November paycheck. Big enough to buy an N810 (plus some other stuff, so, no, I'm not blowing my whole bonus on it).

So, yes, I'm currently planning to buy one next month. Hopefully it'll have the apps I care about ready by then (openssh client and server, vnc viewer, pidgin, tasks, dates, IDEA or simple launcher, omweather, and cpu-statusbar-clock; in addition to the default apps that I use (notes, sketch, file manager)).

INterstingly, this is pretty much exactly how things have developed for me, except for the part about the bonus:( Nonetheless I too join the ranks of those now eager not just for the new OS, but for the new device as well. Get this...my N800 will be my 'at home' device, and my N810 will be my 'on the road/at work' device. How geeky is that?

Dang, I hope this admission won't disqualify me for the discount:eek:

[Greyghost]

I've been thinking about getting the newest Apple Bluetooth keyboard as well. Did you have any problems setting it up with the N800?

No indeed. It was as straightforward and easy! Someone has recently posted a nice set of instructions and list of the key functions. Search the forums for 'BT keyboard' and it'll turn up.

BTW I use it a lot now for writing, which is interesting because when I bought my N800 I didn't think it would be useful for that...the form factor seemed too small. But, in fact, it is N800 ideal in ways that I never expected...here is yet one more!

[lardman]

Well, I was fired up for the N810, but I just learned to fully utilize GPS it costs $130/36 mo.

You mean to fully utilise the bundled navigation software?

[Hedgecore]

Bundled, yes, crippled, absolutely. Costs more for voice & routes and stuff I believe.

Which is funny 'cause MaemoMapper just used Flite for text to speech. But anyway...

[johnkzin]

a) I don't really care about the GPS part, so I wont be upset if its crippleware

b) As long as I don't _have_ to enable it, it wont affect my buying decision ... I only care if it's going to require me to enable it when I don't plan to ever use it.

c) $40/year is chump change.

[Texrat]

No one is forced to enable the paid services. You can just use maps alone if you like.

[lardman]

Which is funny 'cause MaemoMapper just used Flite for text to speech.

Or Maemomapper with the GPS.

[Garage Battle]

I felt bad for being a naysayer before....but

Truth: Most of us will not own this unit more than 1 to 1.5 years. That means that it could cost us $80-$130 for the time that the majority of us would own the unit. We will probably only own it a year or so before the next one comes out. This is because its been the same way every time so far.

Let us pay yearly for the service, then maybe ill change my tune. Id gladly cough up $40 for a year, but not $130 for a year. I also see it adding very little resale value.