What would you pay for the N810?

[Texrat]

A little unofficial poll to gauge the interest... amounts are in US dollars.

[ysss]

The full price is fine for me IF it has 2 SDHC slots :P I have more than a dozen SD cards with at least half a dozen 4 and 8GB SDHCs that I can't use with the n810.

As is (with a single microSD) I'll buy one when it hits $300-350.

[thomasdawes]

Until I actually see and touch one, it's hard to gauge the price to pay for this device. Obviously the people that are buying this device will compare to the other devices out there. HP Ipaqs and Iphones will cost in the range of 300 to 500 dollars. So the lower end of the range would be nice. As always, with consumers, lower is better.

[Roc Ingersol]

I'd go up to 400 for it.
I'd be willing to go up to 500 or 600 for a device in this form-factor though. It's just that the amazing functionality/dollar of the n800's current price raises my expectations for what I deserve for $400. ;)

[jzencovich]

The N800 is a bit about 200 right now (220-250). Let's say 250. The n810 is supposed to be a companion...a complement... Therefore I would expect the 810 to be near the n800 in price since it's not meant to REPLACE it, merely add more choices to the market. 300-350 (my vote) would be ideal, since it is around 50-100 $ above the current N800 price. The upgrade of 50-100 $ more than covers.... a hardware keyboard and GPS?

Comments?


(all numbers stated above are in declining USDs)

[Texrat]

Good points, Roc and jzencovich.

[Grover]

I was hoping it would fall in line with the original price of the 800, 350-400 I believe.

I don't own an NIT yet but have been thinking about it for a while. I'd rather go this route then replace my aged iPod (has dead battery) with an iPod from the current models.

I do like the look of the 810 but will have to consider if the smaller form, gps and keyboard are worth the difference with the current price for the 800.

I guess it might make a difference if I could play with one and sell myself on it. Not sure when I will get that chance. Do we expect them to show up at Fry's or Comp USA?

Also, have they announced when the device will be available. I've missed that so far.

[Texrat]

The poll is taking on a normal distribution-- no surprise given that the option extremes are balanced.

Grover, I am sure they will be in Nokia flagship stores (which are still few and far between) but at this point I cannot answer much regarding general retail. But CompUSA is a nonfactor IMO with its reduced store count and Fry's has not exactly positioned the tablets well...

Oh, the availability is mid November.

[jzencovich]

They should open a flag store in Montreal... I feel so at home when I look around downtown.... almost everyone has a Nokia cell! it used to be RAZRs, but they're getting few and far between.


I wish Nokia would open up something here :(

[thomasdawes]

I don't think any stores have positioned the tablet well.
You really have to be looking for the tablet in a store to find it. And the typical consumer electronics stores in Southern Cali don't have it in the inventory. Most of the tablets are probably moved through internet retailers than anything.

That is fine with me, I don't buy much from best buys or circuit city anyway.

[jzencovich]

CompUSA positioned the 770 fairly well, I had a fun time checking it out. I would have counted myself as an early adopter... but I was still saving money, and when I finally had the cash they were sold out :-/

Which is why I have an N800 now, got it online though.

[luca]

amounts are in US dollars.
Or EUR or GBP (since all technology companies screw us and apply a 1:1 conversion ratio, they don't usually do that with GBP but they try ;)).

[sjgadsby]

Since you asked what I'd pay, not what the unit's worth, I went with the "Any price under $300" option. It's not that I feel that's a fair price for the N810--it's not, it's absurdly low. However, with the OS2008 upgrade for my N800 I'll have everything from the N810 I really want. An N810 price point lower than $300 though, would make it hard for me resist buying just for the improved looks and to play with the GPS.

If I didn't already have an N800, I'd probably vote two choices higher.

Right now, I can buy an N800 and its navigation kit from Buy.com for $436.98 shipped. The N810 is effectively an integrated bundle of those items, admittedly with several refinements and, of course, the addition of the slider keyboard. Now, I realize that the slider keyboard does add cost, but it seems to me that Nokia might benefit from quickly moving the N810 to a price point lower than the combined cost of the N800 and navkit. They might then move more of the higher priced N810 units as Internet tablet buyers consider that they might want GPS someday, and therefore, select the N810 to "save money". A $399 price point would do this, plus stay below that magical $400 barrier, but even $410 or $415 would likely work well.

[Texrat]

Yeah, I specifically chose "what you'd pay" for a reason. Value means different things to different people.

The results are skewing low, but the distribution is still fairly normal, which makes sense.

[sherifnix]

$479 is pretty high for it IMO. It doesn't have a cellular modem, doesn't have good contact management (which can be synced to Mac/PC), is the email client updated?

The hardware is nice, but software provides a lot of the value, and its lacking in that department. Maybe the value is in the updates they provide... hopefully 2 years of support at least.

[smog]

They should open a flag store in Montreal... I feel so at home when I look around downtown.... almost everyone has a Nokia cell! it used to be RAZRs, but they're getting few and far between.


I wish Nokia would open up something here :(

I had to order the IT from Tigerdirect as I wasn't able to find one around MTL.

this said, The n810 should be priced just a bit over the price of a handheld GPS. So they get the business from the IT lovers, the Geeks and from the normal people looking for a GPS that can browse the hotel's free internet when on trip. (perfect for motorcycle drivers.)

[cairn]

I was really expecting the N810 to fall into the same price range as the N800 when I bought it (a bit under $350). I was prepared to pay around $400 for it considering it offers some additional hardware. I'm really second guessing my decision to buy if it's at $480 though, especially since it only takes MiniSD so I'll need to buy at least one more MiniSD card on top of the purchase price.

I'm going to wait and see how discounted the price is on Amazon and I'll probably also wait a couple months to see if any of the software changes enough that the keyboard would be a big help. My wife is really encouraging me to buy the N810 because I told her that I would pass my N800 along to her; now that I see some of the changes, I'm not sure I want to give up my N800 quite yet. I'll probably keep it around for the dual full-size SD card slots and maybe I'll buy my wife her own N800 :)

Congratulations to the designers and engineers at Nokia! I think the N810 is a great piece of tech but at the $480 price point I don't know if it will make sense for me to upgrade or wait for the next tablet model.

[benny1967]

The N810 is basically an N800. Difference: Two add-ons that you needed to buy separately and kept forgetting on the train (BT keyboard and BT GPS) are built in, but replaced the 2 standard-sized SD-slots. (Which means that you can buy things that turn an N800 into an N810, but with an N810 you never get the full functionality of an N800, btw.)

So I think the N810 should be either as expensive as the N800 (they left something out, added something else... averages out) or a little more expensive (up to $50,-) for the convenience you get (no extra chargers etc. for the GPS/keyboard).

[Garage Battle]

If it came with full mapping software, out of the box, id say $480. But, I believe its coming out with half complete software, and they want you to spend another $130 to unlock it. So, assuming I need to do that, id pay $350 tops.

[Grover]

Does Nokia sell factory refurbished units to the public?

I think I've heard of some of the 770's being sold this way. Wonder if that would be a good way to get an 800 or 810 (once they have been out for a while) at a discount but still with a warrantee...

[Hedgecore]

While the unit is packed with gear (GPS, Wifi, etc.), it's still not a UMPC. That price point is getting dangerously close to the laptop range. I think $399 would be a fair price for it. They seem to have software that they'll sell features for (such as extra maps for the GPS software) and that could offset the discount on the unit.

*Edit: I'm a fair consumer (and a bitter punk rocker on the side). I'll pay what I think something's worth. Worth and what I'm willing to pay go hand in hand.

[efb]

I didn't hesitate paying $400 for Nokia N800 so I wouldn't have minded paying $480 when HW keyboard, GPS reciever and 2GB of storage are also thrown into it. Only that I can't afford to throw away ~$1000 on similar devices in less than a year.

Those who don't own a Nokia tablet yet, I think $450 to $500 is a fair price, but it would never hurt to be a little on the cheaper side if the company can afford it and can dare to be aggressively competitive.

[=DC=]

I think it's about $100 too high. $379 would be quite a reasonable price for the N810 seeing as it is so similar to the N800 which is around $279 now. Sure, the N810 gained some cool features and slick design, but it also lost some, which in my opinion puts it at the same level with about a $100 difference for the "new hotness" factor. However, my 770 is nowhere near "old and busted", and if Nokia wishes for most current tablet owners to upgrade, it appears they have to come one better than the N810.

[YoDude]

Why bother.

Two other incarnations are due out and 8 - 10 months seems to be the frequency.

Each time another one drops, retailers deep discount the previous version to make shelf space I suppose.

Even if the WiMAX version turns out to be a Sprint exclusive, knowing how the US Cell service providers operate, it will have a $150 - $200 subsidy discount for a two year contract commitment.

This version is not for existing N800 owners. As stated elsewhere, an itty bitty slide out is no substitute for a BT keyboard and for under $50 you can always add a BT GPS receiver that can be positioned independently for the best reception.

Besides, it seems to be positioned for head to head competition with this Christmas' market for in car navigators which is expected to be huge in the US.

Why pay $500 for anything that is "just" a navigator.

[kimh]

N810 was announced in San Francisco for US$479 and EU$400 for Europe customers.

[RobMtl007]

Greetings:


As I can see from the replies its the consumer who set the price not Nokia.

I too would pay between $350-$370.

I have a feeling Nokia will surprise us at CSE 2008 with another model.

As for all the Montrealers here in this disscussion room, it would be great to have a N810 Meetup in Montreal.

Would everyone agree.

Regards Robert

[Texrat]

Well, consumers can certainly strongly influence price, but of course a manufacturer can only go so low before making it is no longer worthwhile. Cost efficiencies are usually discovered and implemented during a product's lifecycle that allow the manufactruer to drop price-- but they tend to hang onto the status quo as long as possible to boost profits.

[Kozzi]

Greetings:
...
I have a feeling Nokia will surprise us at CSE 2008 with another model.



Can someone tell me some more about this CSE 2008 event ?

About the price, me after seeing a fFinns store selling it at 469€ make it hard to decide whether this or N800 which is 200€ less.

[gerbick]

Below $400.00, and I'll buy one the day it comes out.

[jzencovich]

Below $400.00, and I'll buy one the day it comes out.

Bellow $300.00, and as will I :)

(That's assuming that I find a job between now and November :-/ )

[ImDisaster]

That question depends a lot on whether you already bought a similar device. I bought a used n800 for $300....a month before new ones were available for $235 darn it. I also have an auto GPS that works very well ($300.) Have a Treo, smart phone ($250.) Have a portable bluetooth SirfIII GPS to go with both ($70.) Also have a small Dell 700m small laptop ($1100.)

If I didn't have either the n800 or auto GPS I'd be very inclined to pay close to list for the n810, but since I have those devices (and I imagine many other people do, as well) I am more inclined to look at the n810 as an expensive toy. My expensive toy budget is a little tapped right now. When and if the n810 drops to the sub-$400 range, or if I can get a used one for the same $300 or so I paid for the n800, I may be inclined to buy one.

I do like the idea that I can "trial" the n810 by installing it's operating system on the n800. However, I'm concerned with losing the few apps I've grown to love because of compatibility issues so I'll probably take a wait and see attitude and let other people work out the kinks first.

In the meantime I have been salivating over the UMPC's or MITs or whatever they are being called now. I really like the form factor and runtime of the Everrun. Very interested to see what Ubuntu mobile brings to the table.

[YoDude]

That question depends a lot on whether you already bought a similar device. I bought a used n800 for $300....a month before new ones were available for $235 darn it. I also have an auto GPS that works very well ($300.) Have a Treo, smart phone ($250.) Have a portable bluetooth SirfIII GPS to go with both ($70.) Also have a small Dell 700m small laptop ($1100.)

If I didn't have either the n800 or auto GPS I'd be very inclined to pay close to list for the n810, but since I have those devices (and I imagine many other people do, as well) I am more inclined to look at the n810 as an expensive toy. My expensive toy budget is a little tapped right now. When and if the n810 drops to the sub-$400 range, or if I can get a used one for the same $300 or so I paid for the n800, I may be inclined to buy one....



^That's what I'm saying...

The N810 may offer little over and above what current N800 users will experience with the new firm/software.
So for current owners the value question would be "How much more would you spend for a slide out keyboard and on-board GPS?"

However, for a person deciding on what Car navigator in the USA to buy that works out of the box, anything under $500 for one with the N810's features is an exceptional value.


>> https://buy.garmin.com/shop/compare.do?compare=compare&compareProduct=8671&compareProduct=9121&compareProduct=9122&cID=134


>> http://www.tomtom.com/products/category.php?ID=0&Language=4

[elwood]

The n810 can't do car navigation straight out of the box. You need additional software for that:



Can I do routing and navigation with my Nokia N810?

Navigation is a premium service provided by Wayfinder and available for purchase on top of Map application. You can purchase the navigation feature and Wayfinder Navigator licence online with a credit card directly from the Map application. As a Nokia N810 Internet Tablet user you can also try navigation for 7 days free of charge.

http://www.wayfinder.com/?id=5365

[Hedgecore]

So Maemo Mapper it is.

RobMtl: I'm in Toronto, and I've had my 770 since Dec 2005. I had to go to Michigan to get it. In mid 2006 I saw someone listening to music on one in the subway, but haven't had an organic sighting since. My friend at work picked one up after seeing mine, and his friend bought a lot of 10 to give out as 'gifts' when people shelled out a few grand for his 'learn english' course.

Have you seen any others up here in the great white north?

[zerojay]

So Maemo Mapper it is.

RobMtl: I'm in Toronto, and I've had my 770 since Dec 2005. I had to go to Michigan to get it. In mid 2006 I saw someone listening to music on one in the subway, but haven't had an organic sighting since. My friend at work picked one up after seeing mine, and his friend bought a lot of 10 to give out as 'gifts' when people shelled out a few grand for his 'learn english' course.

Have you seen any others up here in the great white north?

I'm in Quebec City and I haven't seen any others in the wild yet. I do, however, keep getting asked while I'm on the bus if "that is the iPhone", to which I laugh and say, "no, it's something better."

[YoDude]

The n810 can't do car navigation straight out of the box. You need additional software for that:




http://www.wayfinder.com/?id=5365

So... then under $400 US is an exceptional value.

At its currently expected MSRP, the N810 is priced just right for the holiday season.

If it captures just 5% of the expected 2008 market, the N810 will surpass N800 sales many times over.

Thales Navigation, which makes Magellan GPS products, predicts the global market for navigation devices will reach $5.4 billion by 2008.

Perhaps one of the flaws with regard to iPHONE's expected market is its lack of on-board, off line, navigation.

Civilians (non-geeks ;) ) seem to have a limited "gadget" budget and may have to make the choice between a device that pairs to their existing cell phone/service and has a usable in car navigator VS. spending the same amount of money for a device, changing service providers, and not have a usable off line navigator.

...On top of that, they will be locked into a 2 year commitment because of the latter decision.

(The above is just my observation and the logic I would use.)

***

I think Nokia has done right with this one at it will also enhance the user experience of existing N800 users. On the same page you pointed to I found:

Internet Tablet OS 2008 includes an integrated Map application. You can use your old Navicore Personal 2007 license key to activate navigation features of the map application. After entering your license key, the activated Wayfinder Navigator application provides equivalent navigation features compared Navicore Personal 2007.

What more can we ask for?

I would suspect come January 2008 this site will explode with new members.

[Texrat]

Nice analysis, YoDude.

[zerojay]

I would have been willing to pay more for the N810 if I didn't already have the N800 and I think a lot of people here are in the same boat, so that's why the numbers are skewed lower than, say... the average random person that's never heard of them before.

[Texrat]

Yeah, zero, I expected the N800 situation to have some influence. Imagine the different responses if the price had waited another 2 weeks to drop. ;)

[ImDisaster]

I would have been willing to pay more for the N810 if I didn't already have the N800 and I think a lot of people here are in the same boat, so that's why the numbers are skewed lower than, say... the average random person that's never heard of them before.

Maybe, but just as likely the average person would not be inclined to pay $400 to $500 for an internet "toy." The geeks on this website are skewing the price higher.

[Texrat]

Maybe, but just as likely the average person would not be inclined to pay $400 to $500 for an internet "toy." The geeks on this website are skewing the price higher.

I think that's counteracted by our pedantic tenacity to see Moore's Law applied to prices. ;)

[TA-t3]

I have realized lately that I would actually have bought an N810, despite a keyboard I wouldn't use much. $400-$450 would be something I could spend, possibly. The transflective screen is very high on the wishlist. Built-in GPS chip can only be good. But what's holding me back is the mini-SD issue - it just won't do. Can't. Not for half the price. Internal space problems of the N810 - ok, then again there are way smaller cameras out there with SD. I'm getting myself a 16GB SDHC now, and expect to buy a 32GB in less than a year's time.

[Viipottaja]

I am happy to pay close to $450. Which it will probably cost in a couple of months time, if not earlier.

[Grover]

Well, been thinking about it more. And if I was going to buy one now it would be the 800 over the 810 for primarily price reasons. I wonder how long the 800 will continue to be on the market?

[TA-t3]

Oh well. I may brake down and get one after everything's been said and done. That transflective screen..
It would be for outdoor use. For outdoor use it may even help that it's slightly shorter (fits in the shirt pocket and not just in the jacket).

As for price: I've found (over the years) that I'm usually _very_ concerned about the price when I'm about to buy the first unit of something I haven't owned before. After that, it seems to not matter as much.. Palm PDAs, wireless routers, etc.. the second is easier to buy, for some reason. Maybe because at that stage I know it's not a waste of money (as with, to be honest, some other toys bought over the years).

[ImDisaster]

I think that's counteracted by our pedantic tenacity to see Moore's Law applied to prices. ;)

...maybe a little learned too...

We have been enjoying price drops in a lot of the higher technology devices over the last decade. Some of it can be contributed to manufacturing efficiencies and technological improvements...some to inexpensive offshore labor. It has even effected some of the less technological devices.

My first cordless electric drill was all of 12 volts and cost $175 bucks. Now you can buy a decent 18 volt drill for $50.

Paid $500 for a Motorola Startac....very hip in it's day. Now you can get phones that can surf the internet, play music and watch TV on for $100 (Ok, $300 if you don't include the contract.)

Paid $4000 for my first computer. It was 90Mhz and came with an amazing 8Mb of RAM!!! Now we are seeing 1.5Ghz laptops with DVD writers for $400.

Being on the cutting edge does afford you some liberty to charge higher prices. However, the n-serie's little niche is being encroached on all sides. You've got cell phones with browsers, PDAs with browsers, micro-laptops, UMPC's, MIPs, PSPs....heck, the way everything is being computerized nowadays we aren't far from getting web browsers preinstalled on our refrigerators. Kind of hard to pocket a refrigerator though. :-)

[TA-t3]

heck, the way everything is being computerized nowadays we aren't far from getting web browsers preinstalled on our refrigerators. Kind of hard to pocket a refrigerator though. :-)
Well, as I tend to end up in a trance[1] in front of the (opened) fridge anyway, there could as well be some additional entertainment there..

[1] This is common I think.. which is probably the reason why (as reported in New Scientist a while ago) some Japanese engineers came up with the ultimate power-saving refridgerator: It's transparent. You don't have to open it to see what's there. They probably had the male part of the population in mind, because of this curious tendency to just zombie out there with the fridge door open for the next ten minutes.

(Now back to our regular on-topic discussions! :))