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benny1967
10-19-2007, 01:17 PM
What are the chances of finding another easter egg inside the N810?
IIRC, back when the 770 came out, it wasn't clear from the start that it had a microphone. Then Nokia didnt mention the FM radio in the N800.
What do you think? Whats inside the N810? Espresso machine? Toaster? Hard cover? Laser pointer? Or are we certain that hardware-wise the N810 is so close to the N800 that we won't see any surprises?
EDIT: No! A missing SD-slot doesn't count as an easter egg (except that you can keep searching it forever...).
brendan
10-19-2007, 01:18 PM
supposedly the fm radio wasnt the eater egg on the n800. i think at this point, the 400Mhz CPU may have been it.
benny1967
10-19-2007, 01:22 PM
... seems somebody found the answer (http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=84402&postcount=32) in a different thread.
kotzkind
10-19-2007, 01:43 PM
Maybe the wlan-chip is wimax capable after flashing new firmware? n800 and n810
jzencovich
10-19-2007, 02:03 PM
Maybe the wlan-chip is wimax capable after flashing new firmware? n800 and n810
I don't think it quite works that way. That like taking a flashlight, and putting different batteries in it hoping that a Laser comes out instead of light. I don't know the exact frequencies and power output of WiMAX, but I know that it's higher than WiFi (at least if I recall correctly). Anyone want to back me up on this?
Hardware Easter Egg? Maybe an actual WiMAX chip/antenna. Or a 2+ Megapixel Camera? Or maybe ANOTHER FM radio? :D
Though I don't think "easter egg" is the appropriate term. Easter egg is supposed to be something hidden and funny that the devs put in, with not necessarily much usage intended. Like a hidden video of an 810 EATING an iPhone somewhere deep in the filesystem. Now THAT would be an easter Egg I'd like to see :)
brendan
10-19-2007, 02:03 PM
@benny
according to texrat, the fm radio was not the easter egg
yes, Texrat, now the 810 is out, can you tell us what that easter-egg-that-is-not-the-radio is ? Or is it still a secret because it's in the 810 too ? :-)
krisse
10-19-2007, 02:19 PM
I wish the Easter Egg would be TV Out...
Texrat
10-19-2007, 02:20 PM
yes, Texrat, now the 810 is out, can you tell us what that easter-egg-that-is-not-the-radio is ? Or is it still a secret because it's in the 810 too ? :-)
Heck, they didn't even tell me about the N800 FM radio, and I was helping launch the silly thing!
Sorry, no idea...
HumanPenguin
10-19-2007, 02:28 PM
Though I don't think "easter egg" is the appropriate term. Easter egg is supposed to be something hidden and funny that the devs put in, with not necessarily much usage intended. Like a hidden video of an 810 EATING an iPhone somewhere deep in the filesystem. Now THAT would be an easter Egg I'd like to see :)
LOL Now that wqould be cool. Maybe not the iPhone but the iTouch (closest real mainline competitor)
I have the image of a iTouch and a N810 sitting on the dashboard of a car. The N810 slides open legs pop out ALA transformer style it stands up and starts stamping the iTouch. after much metal mangling and stamping a Mini SD card is left the n810 opens its slots and slides it in.
miemsl
10-19-2007, 02:46 PM
I would second the tv out wish...
Hedgecore
10-19-2007, 03:47 PM
... why!? If you've got a TV sitting there, chances are you've got a desktop or laptop.
I'd like my watch to have a TV out so I could display the time on the TV but it doesn't have that.*
*I don't wear a watch.
Texrat
10-19-2007, 03:54 PM
I want rgb video out. That's all. Hook my (soon to arrive) N810 to a digital projector, present my Powerpoint slides, and-- o wait... :eek: :o
I want rgb video out. That's all. Hook my (soon to arrive) N810 to a digital projector, present my Powerpoint slides, and-- o wait... :eek: :o
Did I miss the point... but the IT should be WIRELESS device?
Clearly there is need for new standard: Wireless VGA (RGB) output.
If a standard would be created, then all the new projectors would have the VGA signal receiver built in... and people (with tablets, compatible laptops) on the room can connect wirelessly to the projector... then somebody needs to be the "master" to select who in turn can show the picture?
Most likely the Bandwidth won't be high enough to show any HDTV quality moving picture, but for almost static powerpoint slides this should be perfect.
Hmmm.. Am I in creative mood today? This is the second crazy/insane idea I just came by... :eek:
sjgadsby
10-19-2007, 04:01 PM
I want rgb video out.
I'm not settling for less than HD-SDI 4:4:4.
zerojay
10-19-2007, 04:03 PM
I'm not settling for anything less than full holographic projection.
jzencovich
10-19-2007, 04:09 PM
LOL Now that wqould be cool. Maybe not the iPhone but the iTouch (closest real mainline competitor)
I have the image of a iTouch and a N810 sitting on the dashboard of a car. The N810 slides open legs pop out ALA transformer style it stands up and starts stamping the iTouch. after much metal mangling and stamping a Mini SD card is left the n810 opens its slots and slides it in.
Pure Genius Peng :)
Seriously, the Nokia Dev team should get a CG team together to make this happen :D
LAGMonkey
10-19-2007, 04:11 PM
Hardware Easter Egg? Maybe an actual WiMAX chip/antenna. Or a 2+ Megapixel Camera? Or maybe ANOTHER FM radio? :D
how about a DVB-T reciever!
but id really like WiMAX
jzencovich
10-19-2007, 04:14 PM
Did I miss the point... but the IT should be WIRELESS device?
Clearly there is need for new standard: Wireless VGA (RGB) output.
If a standard would be created, then all the new projectors would have the VGA signal receiver built in... and people (with tablets, compatible laptops) on the room can connect wirelessly to the projector... then somebody needs to be the "master" to select who in turn can show the picture?
Most likely the Bandwidth won't be high enough to show any HDTV quality moving picture, but for almost static powerpoint slides this should be perfect.
Hmmm.. Am I in creative mood today? This is the second crazy/insane idea I just came by... :eek:
Makes plenty of sense to me Mara. Nice one :)
I think there would be a high level of potential for... "fun" :)
I.E. Teacher connects laptop via wireless RGB, starts presentation on history and life of some poet who is obviously no longer one of the living...... Student in back of room deauthenticates the teacher and reautheticates using some simple packet captures being replayed.... Voila! We're all watching Family Guy :)
Mara, pure genius! :)
sjgadsby
10-19-2007, 04:23 PM
Clearly there is need for new standard: Wireless VGA (RGB) output.
Well, there already are a number of wireless data projectors (http://www.projectorcentral.com/projectors.cfm?mfg_id=any&res_id=any&td=&is=&bll=any&bul=any&cll=any&cul=any&wll=any&wul=any&prll=any&prul=any&nowire=1&trig=1) on the market. You're correct in that a standard for VGA over WiFi needs to be created. As it is, each manufacturer has rolled their own solution.
In the mean time, Nokia could work with Impatica to develop drivers and software for their existing Bluetooth solution (http://www.impatica.com/showmate/).
Addendum: Oh, right. "N", not "E". Mustn't forget.
miemsl
10-19-2007, 04:23 PM
Would you imagine some use for UPnP?
keithlm
10-19-2007, 04:26 PM
New Hidden Feature:
AM RADIO to go with the FM.
Oh Happy Happy Joy Joy.
Texrat
10-19-2007, 04:51 PM
Shortwave ftw! :D
DataPath
10-19-2007, 07:27 PM
Actually, an update to the radio chip used in the N800 would be a sweet easter egg. There's an updated model of that chip that has RDS support, which which you'd be able to get traffic updates, radio station identification and song metadata, etc.
Actually, an update to the radio chip used in the N800 would be a sweet easter egg. There's an updated model of that chip that has RDS support, which which you'd be able to get traffic updates, radio station identification and song metadata, etc.
AFAIK, the RDS data is just some subsonic frequencies in the audible frequency band. If the N800 (N810?) hardware does not filter these out before entering to A/D, it should be possible to do the decoding of RDS information in software...
bunanson
10-19-2007, 11:02 PM
Most likely the Bandwidth won't be high enough to show any HDTV quality moving picture, but for almost static powerpoint slides this should be perfect.
you are quite correct. Up till 1 months ago, there is NOTHING on the market for a WiFi movie projector, less HDTV. I do not see any news in the last 30 days.........:(
bun
lardman
10-20-2007, 05:07 AM
AFAIK, the RDS data is just some subsonic frequencies in the audible frequency band. If the N800 (N810?) hardware does not filter these out before entering to A/D, it should be possible to do the decoding of RDS information in software...
But is this (frequency of) data available once the radio chip has processed the raw signal and is outputting it for people to listen to/code to manipulate. After a quick browse, I see software applications to produce an RDS stream, but only hardware solutions to decode it. Perhaps the problem is more down to the signal processing involved. It might work though. DSP project anyone....?
TA-t3
10-21-2007, 08:20 AM
I really like the FM radio in the N800. But I would like it even more, and used it every day, if it had a simple built-in alarm clock that could switch it on in the morning. Just like the old LCD clock radio I used to own - the N800 even looks like it! AFAIK the source code of the FM radio applet isn't available (to which one could add such a feature), if someone knows differently please tell..
MoridinBG
10-21-2007, 09:10 AM
Speaking of FM Radio Thoughtfix wrote Is there an FM Tuner?
No. It was cut out for space concerns.
TA-t3
10-21-2007, 11:20 AM
Which reminds me.. the comparision table (at the bottom) of http://www.forum.nokia.com/main/platforms/maemo/index.html is incomplete, it doesn't list the FM tuner. Transflective screen isn't there either. Anyone from Nokia here that could fix it? It's otherwise a very nice comparision table..
jhoff80
10-21-2007, 11:28 AM
They need to come up with a better excuse than 'space concerns'. Has anyone looked at the internal pictures now on the FCC site? There's plenty of room on the circuit board. A better excuse would be "it interfered with the GPS chip" or something along those lines.
How about a tilt sensor? :)
ragnar
10-22-2007, 12:15 PM
They need to come up with a better excuse than 'space concerns'. Has anyone looked at the internal pictures now on the FCC site? There's plenty of room on the circuit board. A better excuse would be "it interfered with the GPS chip" or something along those lines.
There's no room. Really.
hircus
10-22-2007, 12:21 PM
There's no room. Really.
Airflow issues?
makes me think of the line in seinfeld, "I can't spare a square, I just can't!"
cairn
10-22-2007, 12:38 PM
So which of the folks who got a pre-release unit is going to be the first to take the N810 apart and show us some photos of the circuit boards?
Moonshine
10-22-2007, 12:51 PM
I seriously hope it has the built-in FM *transmitter* that has been mentioned in several places. If that was added to the equation, I'd have to pull out the credit card. :)
Ar-ras
10-22-2007, 12:55 PM
But I think transmitter will be problemous e.g. in germany
So I think that would be not in.
hircus
10-22-2007, 01:16 PM
But I think transmitter will be problemous e.g. in germany
It could be there but disabled? The right firmware would re-enable it but only when they have gotten it certified in the US and EU markets (otherwise Nokia would have their hands full controlling access to the enabling firmware on a country-by-country basis).
That would explain why the FM receiver is "not there" -- if it's part of a larger unit that can't be made available (yet) for regulatory reasons.
cairn
10-22-2007, 01:24 PM
I'm quite certain that the N810 does not ship with a built-in FM transmitter. If it did, it would have been tested by the FCC. Even if it is disabled by default, it would require FCC certification as a transmitting device before being sold in the USA.
chill633
10-22-2007, 02:42 PM
you are quite correct. Up till 1 months ago, there is NOTHING on the market for a WiFi movie projector, less HDTV. I do not see any news in the last 30 days.........:(
bun
Patience grasshopper.
http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/20854
kotzkind
10-22-2007, 02:55 PM
But I think transmitter will be problemous e.g. in germany
So I think that would be not in.
As far as I know, here in Germany FM transmitters aren't forbidden. It's only forbidden to use them.
€dith: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/FM_Transmitter#Radiosender
They are now allowed:
"Seit März 2006 sind diese Geräte auch in Deutschland von der Bundesnetzagentur zugelassen worden (sofern sie den Vorgaben entsprechen). "
Ar-ras
10-22-2007, 03:00 PM
Yeah Kotzkind,
I forgot that new law. So FM_Transmitter are allowed. So hopefully it should be in it.
Maerra
10-22-2007, 03:51 PM
It is informed that ITOS2008 is identical for N810 and N800. It seems that N810 has no FM radio. But N800 has. Does it mean that the FM radio in N800 will be disabled with ITOS2008?
Texrat
10-22-2007, 03:55 PM
It is informed that ITOS2008 is identical for N810 and N800. It seems that N810 has no FM radio. But N800 has. Does it mean that the FM radio in N800 will be disabled with ITOS2008?
No.
For one, the FM radio app is a separate install. For another, each tablet has features the other lacks, and the new hardware abstraction layer will enable the OS to simply ignore what the tablet doesn't have.
Milhouse
10-22-2007, 04:34 PM
It is informed that ITOS2008 is identical for N810 and N800. It seems that N810 has no FM radio. But N800 has. Does it mean that the FM radio in N800 will be disabled with ITOS2008?
No, just like the GPS and keyboard won't be disabled in the N810 even though these items don't exist in the N800.
Just because hardware is missing in one platform doesn't mean it can't be enabled conditionally in a second platform where the missing hardware does exist. So the FM radio will be supported in the N800, although if I recall this is achieved through a user space download and not really a firmware/OS issue at all.
thoughtfix
10-22-2007, 05:34 PM
Hmm ... I was poking around last night and found some code entries for an "Ultra-Vibe Pleasure 2000" module. Looks promising. ;) ;)
lardman
10-22-2007, 05:48 PM
How's about a listing of dmesg and of "find /sys/" from the N810 for us Thoughtfix?
PowerUser
10-22-2007, 06:40 PM
As for me, I'm preferring two full-sized SD slots as an easter egg.Then it will be a great device :).Otherwise it's quite limited compared to n800 :\
prosthetic
10-23-2007, 12:35 AM
I will go so far as to say, there is an easter egg... but quite frankly, it wouldn't be any fun for me to reveal it. It'll get uncovered in time. I was pleased when I found it, at least.
jwhelan
10-23-2007, 12:50 AM
if Thoughtfix's post is any indication I would guess it supports vibrating(possibly when theres a new message of some sort)...
Moonshine
10-23-2007, 12:52 AM
Actually, by posting that, you are now required to tell. I hope it's an FM transmitter, vibration just won't do it for me ;)
ragnar
10-23-2007, 02:34 AM
if Thoughtfix's post is any indication I would guess it supports vibrating(possibly when theres a new message of some sort)...
There's no vibra, and there's no (piezo-)haptic feedback in the N810. We would be using those if they would be in the device :) especially the piezohaptics.
Piezo is ... totally tubular.
sachin007
10-23-2007, 02:47 AM
I will go so far as to say, there is an easter egg... but quite frankly, it wouldn't be any fun for me to reveal it. It'll get uncovered in time. I was pleased when I found it, at least.
I think it is the wimax chip. Just like the upgrade path n800 owners will take advantage off, the n810 owners are also going to take advantage of hardware already present when the next tablet should be released...
jzencovich
10-23-2007, 03:07 AM
"Ultra-Vibe Pleasure 2000":
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Ultra-Vibe+Pleasure+2000%22
http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:c3rGpQo6IUoJ:icons.imdb.com/title/tt0705945/faq+%22Ultra-Vibe+Pleasure+2000%22
Right...... vibrating..... I'm not a south park watcher, but I'm sure that a South park fan would recognize whatever "Ultra-Vibe Pleasure 2000" is, since it seems to be from the Episode "Mr Hankey,The Christmas Poo"? Though I have to say it's definitely Easter Egg material.
Naranek
10-23-2007, 01:22 PM
I'm thinking USB host mode... It would fit the bill as it is probably relatively easy to do and would go unnoticed for a while.
Ar-ras
10-23-2007, 01:29 PM
@prosthetic
Is this Easter Egg really Hardware or is it Software?
Milhouse
10-23-2007, 01:46 PM
Maybe A2DP support is the Easter Egg in OS 2008? A2DP support became available in the Bluez stack - mainly through the involvement of Nokia - more than 2 months ago (https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=667).
lardman
10-23-2007, 01:47 PM
I'm not sure USB host mode is particularly hidden:
E.g. see the first few entries in the N810 dmesg output: http://thoughtfix.com/tabletblog/dmesg.txt
This is (largely) the same as the dmesg output from the N800 with OS2008: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=84835&postcount=159
See these lines for example (for the usb hub):
[ 20.312500] hub 1-0:1.0: USB hub found
[ 20.312500] hub 1-0:1.0: 1 port detected
[ 20.312500] hub 1-0:1.0: standalone hub
[ 20.312500] hub 1-0:1.0: individual port power switching
[ 20.312500] hub 1-0:1.0: no over-current protection
The N810 does appear to have a different audio codec to the N800 though:
N800:
[ 1.031250] ALSA device list:
[ 1.031250] #0: OMAP24xx EAC with codec TSC2301
N810:
[ 1.085937] ALSA device list:
[ 1.085937] #0: OMAP24xx EAC with codec TLV320AIC33
Looks like the new codec may be more flexible in terms of its input/output sample rates, bitrates and it can do effects: http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/tlv320aic33.html
kotzkind
10-23-2007, 01:56 PM
I think it is the wimax chip. Just like the upgrade path n800 owners will take advantage off, the n810 owners are also going to take advantage of hardware already present when the next tablet should be released...
that would be the best easter-egg. They said that the radio was not the easter egg in the n800. maybe it's in the n800 too?
I'm thinking USB host mode... It would fit the bill as it is probably relatively easy to do and would go unnoticed for a while.
USB host mode can't be the easter egg, because OTG is official. With that you should have something like hostmode
I think it is the wimax chip.
I would love for that to be the case (since Canada is already bathed in the warm rays of wimax) but wouldn't that have shown up in the FCC report?
sachin007
10-23-2007, 02:05 PM
I would love for that to be the case (since Canada is already bathed in the warm rays of wimax) but wouldn't that have shown up in the FCC report?
As far as i think they do not need to test the hardware which nokia is not planning to use. But if in the future nokia plans to make the wimax chip public then they should get it passed through fcc before it is released to the public. The same thing happend for the fm radio on the n800 .... nothing was filed with the fcc.... but later on they added support
I may be totally wrong with all these.... this is just guess work,
Ar-ras
10-23-2007, 02:09 PM
Wimax would be great... because here in Leipzig Wimax Network exists
Milhouse
10-23-2007, 02:11 PM
I can't imagine the FCC allowing a device to pass certification without testing all the transmitters within the device at all frequencies, and this would include WiMax... Nokia could keep quiet about the FM Radio because it's a receiver. What would Nokia do if they decided to enable WiMax and failed FCC certification - there would be shed loads of product sold which have WiMax capability which can't be used, and the firmware would need to differentiate between "good" devices and "bad" devices. Nah, can't see the Easter Egg being WiMax! :)
cairn
10-23-2007, 02:22 PM
Yep, Milhouse is right. Nokia (or anyone else for that matter) can not sell any transmitting device without FCC approval. That means that there will be no hidden WiMax or FM transmitter capability. The FM receiver was able to be hidden because the FCC certification is not necessary for something that only receives radio.
We've got to look elsewhere for the 'easter egg', assuming it is a hardware feature at all.
sachin007
10-23-2007, 02:24 PM
[QUOI can't imagine the FCC allowing a device to pass
certification without testing all the transmitters within the device at all frequencies, and
this would include WiMax... Nokia could keep quiet about the FM Radio because it's a
receiver. What would Nokia do if they decided to enable WiMax and failed FCC
certification - there would be shed loads of product sold which have WiMax capability
which can't be used, and the firmware would need to differentiate between "good"
devices and "bad" devices. Nah, can't see the Easter Egg being WiMax! :)
valid point mil. But if nokia really wanted to do that they could have easily done that. I mean they would never give the fcc a product even in doubt of passing the fcc set recommendations. They would test each and every device even more thoroughly before sending it for fcc approval.
So the point is that nokia can do that if they want to. Its just a matter of they wanting to do it.
TE=Milhouse;86134]I can't imagine the FCC allowing a device to pass certification without testing all the transmitters within the device at all frequencies, and this would include WiMax... Nokia could keep quiet about the FM Radio because it's a receiver. What would Nokia do if they decided to enable WiMax and failed FCC certification - there would be shed loads of product sold which have WiMax capability which can't be used, and the firmware would need to differentiate between "good" devices and "bad" devices. Nah, can't see the Easter Egg being WiMax! :)[/QUOTE]
sdrman
10-23-2007, 03:23 PM
Could the light sensor be used to receive infrared remote signals?
prosthetic
10-23-2007, 05:10 PM
It's hardware. I found it after about a week of use. Then again, it's unofficial -- so who is to say it's the egg. It's simply beyond the specs, so it's an egg as far as I'm concerned. Then again, the final build hardware could change.
prosthetic
10-23-2007, 05:11 PM
Could the light sensor be used to receive infrared remote signals?
Now there's a stretch. Good luck with that. :-)
Milhouse
10-23-2007, 05:15 PM
It's hardware. I found it after about a week of use. Then again, it's unofficial -- so who is to say it's the egg. It's simply beyond the specs, so it's an egg as far as I'm concerned. Then again, the final build hardware could change.
A magnetically operated sleep/lock switch on the front of the N810, designed to be operated by a hard-cover flap, similar to that available for the N800?
munky261
10-23-2007, 05:17 PM
what is it then prosthetic?
Milhouse
10-23-2007, 05:25 PM
what is it then prosthetic?
See post #50 (http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=85945#post85945). :)
scrappy898
10-23-2007, 05:56 PM
I think is USB HOst mode.... any suggestions?
kotzkind
10-23-2007, 06:14 PM
I can't imagine the FCC allowing a device to pass certification without testing all the transmitters within the device at all frequencies, and this would include WiMax... Nokia could keep quiet about the FM Radio because it's a receiver. What would Nokia do if they decided to enable WiMax and failed FCC certification - there would be shed loads of product sold which have WiMax capability which can't be used, and the firmware would need to differentiate between "good" devices and "bad" devices. Nah, can't see the Easter Egg being WiMax! :)
many wimax chips are wlan/wimax combo chips.
A capacitive circuit, so the battery can be hot swapped?
jwhelan
10-23-2007, 08:33 PM
Charging via USB?
Kozzi
10-23-2007, 09:14 PM
It's a Lightsabre.
hircus
10-23-2007, 10:08 PM
A capacitive circuit, so the battery can be hot swapped?
That would be really cool -- some old Powerbooks have that, I think -- but would it not be noticed already by people who have gone over the FCC filings?
That would be really cool -- some old Powerbooks have that, I think -- but would it not be noticed already by people who have gone over the FCC filings?
not sure since a charge/battery circuit probably isn't covered in the testing the FCC did..
I liked Millhouse's idea re: the magnetic lock/sleep switch.
Yep, Milhouse is right. Nokia (or anyone else for that matter) can not sell any transmitting device without FCC approval. That means that there will be no hidden WiMax or FM transmitter capability. The FM receiver was able to be hidden because the FCC certification is not necessary for something that only receives radio.
We've got to look elsewhere for the 'easter egg', assuming it is a hardware feature at all.
Didn't the FCC testing include the gps receiver? Why did they have to test that, considering the above argument?
hmm... to me, some sort of a vibrating device seems to be an obvious adition...
a magnetic sensor is also possible... should be on the top left...
but it could also be a motion sensor or a digital compass...
or even a IR receiver/transmitter...
wimax seems improbable... as is a digital dvb-t receiver...
so, to anyone who knows the answer, is it any of the above?
:rolleyes:
Accelerometer?
Seriously, someone who knows please spill the beans. I need to know so I stop wondering and get back to work (and earn the money to buy one).
after some thinking, it has to be some sort of alternate way to connect to the internet...
other than wifi... 3g, cdma, wimax.. whatever...
remember... this is supposed to be a consumer friendly device...
so, it should behave like a top of the line phone... and the keyword here is PHONE !
and maybe, just maybe, this is already on the current n800....
if it's not... then hey... maybe it's a $200 refund to use on nokia store.. :p
Traecer
10-24-2007, 12:50 AM
At this point I'm sure it's a time vortex manipulator. Not as good as a TARDIS, but it can get you to when you're going. Plus, it's useful as a teleporter, too. May need more juice than a standard Nokia BP-5L to hop more than a few decades, though.
Seb Per
10-24-2007, 09:54 AM
Hello,
What if this delicious
Internet Tablet 810
makes pudding
and be then the perfect gift for
Xmas?
kotzkind
10-24-2007, 10:24 AM
hmm... to me, some sort of a vibrating device seems to be an obvious adition...
a magnetic sensor is also possible... should be on the top left...
but it could also be a motion sensor or a digital compass...
or even a IR receiver/transmitter...
wimax seems improbable... as is a digital dvb-t receiver...
so, to anyone who knows the answer, is it any of the above?
:rolleyes:
It looks like compass is included through gps:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/35034354960@N01/1646544202
Ar-ras
10-24-2007, 10:28 AM
Don't think so. You see 6.4 mph. So it is normal that it calculates the direction
convulted
10-24-2007, 01:52 PM
I am basing this suggestion on absolutely nothing, but is the N8x0 hardware capable of supporting multi-touch on the touchscreen, or is this something that has to be "built into" the digitizer itself?
Texrat
10-24-2007, 01:57 PM
Since it can distinguish between stylus and finger, I *assume* multitouch is possible.
I think there is a difference between detecting a small/large area or detecting completely different positions on the screen... So my guess would be no...
I think there is a difference between detecting a small/large area or detecting completely different positions on the screen... So my guess would be no...
I wouldn't think so either, but the data sheet for the touchscreen controller (TSC2301) doesn't mention anything about multi-touch. (Maybe I'm incorrect to think that it would...)
Looks like there is a temperature probe. Was that in the N800 too? I'm going to be disappointed if that's it. I'm sure they'll claim they went with that instead of a lightsaber simply due to space constraints.
prosthetic
10-24-2007, 02:27 PM
Looks like there is a temperature probe. Was that in the N800 too? I'm going to be disappointed if that's it. I'm sure they'll claim they went with that instead of a lightsaber simply due to space constraints.
Who said lightsaber isn't the egg? Just make sure you're facing it the right direction when you enable that feature.
ColdFusion
10-24-2007, 02:27 PM
What was the Easter Egg in the n800 if it wasn't the fm-receiver?
Who said lightsaber isn't the egg? Just make sure you're facing it the right direction when you enable that feature.
Very funny. I don't know why you're joking - I'm still ticked at you for not telling us what you've found. :p (Or maybe it's just me who cares.)
Is it the RealTek RTL8150 chip, for USB<->Ethernet? I don't think that was in the N800. But I can't see the use of that feature, to be honest, since it defeats the purpose of a mobile device...
ragnar
10-24-2007, 03:07 PM
I wouldn't think so either, but the data sheet for the touchscreen controller (TSC2301) doesn't mention anything about multi-touch. (Maybe I'm incorrect to think that it would...)
The N810 would be using multitouch if it could, trust me. :)
Multitouch doesn't really have anything to do with finger/stylus detection, detection is done by the pressure.
Milhouse
10-24-2007, 03:11 PM
Looks like there is a temperature probe. Was that in the N800 too? I'm going to be disappointed if that's it.
The N800 (and possibly even the 770) has a temp probe, it's not particularly useful though.
cairn
10-24-2007, 03:15 PM
Very funny. I don't know why you're joking - I'm still ticked at you for not telling us what you've found. :p (Or maybe it's just me who cares.)
Is it the RealTek RTL8150 chip, for USB<->Ethernet? I don't think that was in the N800. But I can't see the use of that feature, to be honest, since it defeats the purpose of a mobile device...
I would LOVE to have Ethernet over USB. There are a number of places I visit every day where wireless isn't available (security risk) but wired ethernet is available. If that new feature were available in the N810, I'd buy it despite my reservations about some of it's other changes. However, I don't know much about Ethernet over USB, but it seems like an odd feature to just stumble across while playing with the device which is what prosthetic seems to be implying.
lardman
10-24-2007, 03:30 PM
It has Ethernet over usb (as does the 770, etc.) -> this implies that you attach a usb lead at both ends and it pretends to be an Ethernet adaptor at both ends (e.g. rndis).
What I think you're after is the ability to plug a usb Ethernet adaptor into the N8x0 and use it. Both the N880 (with OS2008) and the N810 appear to support this (usb host mode via OTG) from their dmesg outputs.
Edit: N800 not N880 - I can't see into the future I'm afraid!
cairn
10-24-2007, 03:52 PM
It has Ethernet over usb (as does the 770, etc.) -> this implies that you attach a usb lead at both ends and it pretends to be an Ethernet adaptor at both ends (e.g. rndis).
What I think you're after is the ability to plug a usb Ethernet adaptor into the N8x0 and use it. Both the N880 (with OS2008) and the N810 appear to support this (usb host mode via OTG) from their dmesg outputs.
Nice! I look forward to trying this out on my N800 when OS2008 comes out! I better go order one of those adapters.
hobbes
10-24-2007, 03:58 PM
Very funny. I don't know why you're joking - I'm still ticked at you for not telling us what you've found. :p (Or maybe it's just me who cares.)
I think he did; just read his posts a bit more carefully :)
Texrat
10-24-2007, 04:10 PM
The N810 would be using multitouch if it could, trust me. :)
Multitouch doesn't really have anything to do with finger/stylus detection, detection is done by the pressure.
Bummer. But thanks for the info, ragnar (I'm tempted to nickname you "raggie" :p)
hircus
10-24-2007, 05:02 PM
The N800 (and possibly even the 770) has a temp probe, it's not particularly useful though.
It will be more useful with OS 2008's dynamic clocking -- perhaps there's a daemon that will cap the CPU's max frequency below its normal maximum if temperature is too high?
Ar-ras
10-24-2007, 05:08 PM
Is this about the Realtek Chip a Joke or what?
Capt'n Corrupt
10-24-2007, 05:13 PM
It will be more useful with OS 2008's dynamic clocking -- perhaps there's a daemon that will cap the CPU's max frequency below its normal maximum if temperature is too high?
That, or give you the current temperature with the simple command:
$ /usr/bin/dumptemplog | grep TEMP_STATUS | tail --lines=1 2> /dev/null
..... sweeeeet .....
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Who said lightsaber isn't the egg? Just make sure you're facing it the right direction when you enable that feature.
IR transmitter? So we can use this as a remote to control our TV's and home theater etc... Not bad idea... :)
Is this about the Realtek Chip a Joke or what?
Not a joke, but I may be incorrect. It is just something I noticed in the dmesg output that Thoughtfix posted.
lardman
10-24-2007, 07:10 PM
I can't find Realtek in the dmesg output from either the N810 or the N800 (OS2008).
Capt'n Corrupt
10-24-2007, 07:13 PM
IR transmitter? So we can use this as a remote to control our TV's and home theater etc... Not bad idea... :)
A fabulous idea that would further close the convergence gap. Again, it wouldn't have to be advertised, but would [likely] be cheap addition that would extend the usefulness of the system tremendously.
This thing could be the all-in-one device:
1) Download reviews of the a movie you want to see
2) Buy tickets for the movie
3) Set shows for recording that will be on during the movie
4) Pause current show as all of this is taking longer than you expected
5) Order a pair of chinos online
6) Find out where you are in the world (in case you forgot)
7) Answer an incoming SIP phone call from a landline
8) Impress your woman with pictures of your soon-to-be-owned pants
9) Play a quick game of quake (1 frag max) thoroughly embarrassing your opponent
10) Restart your webserver
11) Un-pause the show
All without getting off the couch.
This is the future I want to live in.
}:^)~
YARR!!
IR transmitter? So we can use this as a remote to control our TV's and home theater etc... Not bad idea... :)
I think you solved the easter egg hunt, Mara.
jhoff80
10-24-2007, 08:16 PM
I think you solved the easter egg hunt, Mara.
https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=846909&native_or_pdf=pdf
...Do you see any IR transmitter? I definitely do not.
https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=846909&native_or_pdf=pdf
...Do you see any IR transmitter? I definitely do not.
If it is somewhere, it (the IR led) must be in the top left corner where is the plastic window...
Perhaps there is a pen or screwdriver enclosed in the back end of the stylus?
Texrat
10-25-2007, 01:02 AM
If it is somewhere, it (the IR led) must be in the top left corner where is the plastic window...
All I know is that it flashes pretty colors.
prosthetic
10-25-2007, 11:18 PM
All I know is that it flashes pretty colors.
Colors is right. My wife made me turn off that silly pulsating LED because it kept her awake at night. Fortunately, it can be disabled, but the pulsating makes you feel like you need to go build an ice fortress somewhere.
It turns a nice shade of red once you've established a video call.
sdrman
10-25-2007, 11:57 PM
What colors does it have?
Now could be a good time to ponder the question, Is infrared a color?
convulted
10-26-2007, 03:41 AM
If anyone is interested, hooking up a normal IR LED to the headphone output is one way of controlling stuff. I know someone did it with an iPod [1]... but all you need is a device with a headphone output that can play back MP3s.
http://features.engadget.com/2004/07/27/how-to-turn-your-ipod-in-to-a-universal-infrared-remote-control/
Ar-ras
10-26-2007, 04:55 AM
@convulted
Awesome
Milhouse
10-26-2007, 05:35 AM
What colors does it have?
Now could be a good time to ponder the question, Is infrared a color?
I wouldn't have said so, as it's not in the visible spectrum for human beings.
It's referred to as infra-red since it's below red (infra, latin for below) in the visible colour spectrum. You wouldn't be able to output infrared with a standard red LED due to the differences in wavelength between infrared and visible light.
Texrat
10-26-2007, 08:50 AM
Well, technically it is a color, just not one humans can see.
But you're right about the IR-- afaik no LED can be excited to the high frequency of infrared.
EDIT: man, I'm stupid in the morning. As Datapath correctly pointed out, UV is the high end, IR is the very low end. *sigh* :o :rolleyes:
Capt'n Corrupt
10-26-2007, 09:02 AM
But you're right about the IR-- afaik no LED can be excited to the high frequency of infrared.
.... that remains a trait exclusive to the Capt'n ....
}:^)~
YARR!!
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DataPath
10-26-2007, 09:06 AM
Well, technically it is a color, just not one humans can see.
But you're right about the IR-- afaik no LED can be excited to the high frequency of infrared.
Sure there are. Infrared-emitting Diodes. And it's a *low* frequency. Lower than our visible light spectrum. The "color" that's a high frequency is ultra-violet.
Texrat
10-26-2007, 09:10 AM
Sure there are. Infrared-emitting Diodes. And it's a *low* frequency. Lower than our visible light spectrum. The "color" that's a high frequency is ultra-violet.
D'oh! You're absolutely right. I was writing IR and thinking UV. Cripes. More coffee needed. :o
Seb Per
10-26-2007, 09:14 AM
At Pepcom event in New York Texas Instruments has introduced a proto of a cellphone projector. The device uses lasers as the light source, and an LED-based model is currently in the lab. Definitely such a module will be an extremely useful feature to any phone or a smartphone, as it eventually solves the small display problem.
In particular, the built-in projector can run presentations directly from the cellphone omitting PC. However image quality loses to professional projectors, anyway this in-handset projector will do for small presentations. There is another application of this solution, you can run video, pictures, web-pages etc. on a “big screen”.
images at http://www.mobile-review.com/fullnews/main/2007/September/26_eng.shtml
Maybe more of a question is.... can anyone say if there is indeed 4 LED's in that corner? (Red, Blue, Green and IR). There is a flex cable going into that corner, assuming they share the same ground or Vcc, you'll need minimum of 5 "wires"...
Didn't check if the internal photo pictures on FCC site can be zoomed in enough to see that...
prosthetic
10-26-2007, 10:58 AM
The colors are, in my experience:
Green: Charging
Blue: A power change, or message arrives
Red: Camera active
Sometimes pulsating. Sometimes blinking.
Infrared? I think not, but you're welcome to think that. :-)
Texrat
10-26-2007, 11:05 AM
I've seen a white light, too, prosthetic.
Capt'n Corrupt
10-26-2007, 11:09 AM
I hope the HAL (Hardware Abstraction Layer) can control the LED, as it would be a nice complement to many software applications.
}:^)~
YARR!!
Corrupt Blvd.
prosthetic
10-26-2007, 12:02 PM
I've seen a white light, too, prosthetic.
Hm, I don't recall a white light, but you could be right. Any idea what caused it?
Texrat
10-26-2007, 12:15 PM
I don't remember. I'll try to pay better attention.
Capt'n Corrupt
10-26-2007, 01:13 PM
I don't remember. I'll try to pay better attention.
Perchance the 3LEDs shine in unison?
}:^)~
YARR!!
Corruptsville
prosthetic
10-26-2007, 03:31 PM
Well, my colleague recalls seeing green and blue together, but I haven't and can't seem to make it happen. You'd expect to see it if you have a message waiting and start charging, but... no. So, that would mean it's possible to display more than one color simultaneously, but probably not intended.
scrappy898
10-26-2007, 03:48 PM
Are We Certain What The Easter Egg Is? :(
Texrat
10-26-2007, 10:37 PM
I don't remember. I'll try to pay better attention.
munky261
11-20-2007, 02:36 AM
ive noticed , when you look at the memory details in control panel it shows the same icon of a mini sd for both internal and external , tho partially covered by a translucent shape. this translucent shape is different... could this mean that the unit could be taken apart and put a larger memory card for the internal???
Kozzi
11-26-2007, 04:55 PM
So did any N810's owner checked what is the easter egg this time or is there any ??
LurkerN
11-26-2007, 05:04 PM
How exactly would we go about looking for it?
(Linux & tablet novice here)
ive noticed , when you look at the memory details in control panel it shows the same icon of a mini sd for both internal and external , tho partially covered by a translucent shape. this translucent shape is different... could this mean that the unit could be taken apart and put a larger memory card for the internal???
No, unless you have a hot air soldering station.
Well, my colleague recalls seeing green and blue together, but I haven't and can't seem to make it happen. You'd expect to see it if you have a message waiting and start charging, but... no. So, that would mean it's possible to display more than one color simultaneously, but probably not intended.
The RGB led is driven by an I2C chip (nickname njoy) which can do quite fancy effects, like ramps and periodic patterns but at the cost of having its own programming language (64 instructions max, iirc).
No IR, sorry.
rcadden
11-26-2007, 05:26 PM
The RGB led is driven by an I2C chip (nickname njoy) which can do quite fancy effects, like ramps and periodic patterns but at the cost of having its own programming language (64 instructions max, iirc).
No IR, sorry.
So, it would be quite easy for a developer to create something that would give us ALOT more useful LED indicators? I'd like to see red pulsing when I plug it in, with the color gradually changing to green as the battery fills up, or different colors for different notifications (IM vs. Email)
Kozzi
11-26-2007, 05:28 PM
How exactly would we go about looking for it?
(Linux & tablet novice here)
How about crack it up and check if there is any funny chip/part whose function is not described anywhere :)
So, it would be quite easy for a developer to create something that would give us ALOT more useful LED indicators? I'd like to see red pulsing when I plug it in, with the color gradually changing to green as the battery fills up, or different colors for different notifications (IM vs. Email)
Points that might make it harder:
-I'm not sure if the specs are open, if not, that's certainly something that the community could ask Nokia to open. Said this, there might be some good reason that i cannot think of that prevents the publication of the datasheet.
-The driver might require some tweaking.
MCE is already driving the LED, so at least the API should be available.
-I'm not sure if the specs are open
They are:
http://www.national.com/pf/LP/LP5521.html
Enjoy ...
LurkerN
11-28-2007, 05:33 PM
How about crack it up and check if there is any funny chip/part whose function is not described anywhere :)
Ya know, I might actually have done so. At least, given enough booze and/or boredom :D
But I know from the FCC filings (https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=846909&native_or_pdf=pdf) that all the chips have shielding on them. And all the (de)soldering I've ever attempted has ended in complete failure :(
speculatrix
12-27-2007, 06:43 PM
now the 810 is in the hands of users, can any special features (easter eggs?) be revealed?
isaacs
12-28-2007, 02:26 AM
What is the possibility of the screen being multi-touch. seems a little too major for an easter egg but would sure be nice.
Isaac.S
Karel Jansens
12-28-2007, 06:31 AM
What is the possibility of the screen being multi-touch. seems a little too major for an easter egg but would sure be nice.
Isaac.S
It's pressure-sensitive. Isn't that more useful?
Zuber
12-28-2007, 07:13 AM
It's pressure-sensitive. Isn't that more useful?
Didn't know that. You sure ?
As in could do cool stuff in art programs ?
Zuber
Karel Jansens
12-28-2007, 07:50 AM
Didn't know that. You sure ?
As in could do cool stuff in art programs ?
Zuber
Just start up Maemopad+ and see for yourself.
Zuber
12-28-2007, 10:01 AM
Yes,
See it now. Problem is I'm so heavy handed (make sure it registers the tap habit) that I never noriced it before. Max pressure all the time...
Could be the screen protector I've got on there as well I suppose,can't help.
Zuber
speculatrix
12-28-2007, 10:59 AM
I don't suppose the n800 is also pressure sensitive?
Karel Jansens
12-28-2007, 11:03 AM
I don't suppose the n800 is also pressure sensitive?
Well, I have a pressure sensitive N800, but maybe mine is special... :rolleyes:
Karel Jansens
12-28-2007, 11:10 AM
Yes,
See it now. Problem is I'm so heavy handed (make sure it registers the tap habit) that I never noriced it before. Max pressure all the time...
Could be the screen protector I've got on there as well I suppose,can't help.
Zuber
No, it's just that the pressure range is calibrated narrowly, probably because it's meant to distinguish between stylus and finger tapping. Maybe someone who's interested in making a good art program could have a looksie at it and see if it can be accessed and tweaked. Applying a logarithmic scale would probably do the trick, but what do I know, eh?
The really sad, kick-it-in-the-nuts-and-watch-it-cringe thing is not that so few programs are aware of the pressure-sensitivity, it is that Nokia's own Sketch program doesn't use it! Talk about stupid...
speculatrix
12-28-2007, 12:34 PM
the zaurus screen has been known to be pressure sensitive for a long time and I can only think of only one program which uses it (petitepeinture, which is qtopia based), so maybe people don't actually care except professional graphics artists who will generally use huge expensive tablets and massive screens!
Karel Jansens
12-28-2007, 01:06 PM
the zaurus screen has been known to be pressure sensitive for a long time and I can only think of only one program which uses it (petitepeinture, which is qtopia based), so maybe people don't actually care except professional graphics artists who will generally use huge expensive tablets and massive screens!
Obviously they don't care if only huge expensive tablets and massive screens are their only option.
Nevertheless, the Itablet with its high-resolution screen and potential of pressure-sensitive stylus input could be a nice sketching and drawing platform for artists.
dblank
12-28-2007, 02:09 PM
It's pressure-sensitive. Isn't that more useful?
I'd love to be able to tap multiple points on the screen for triggering audio samples, play chords on a virtual keyboard, move multiple sliders on a software MIDI mixer, etc.
Multi-touch would be much more interesting for me.
isaacs
12-28-2007, 02:57 PM
It's pressure-sensitive. Isn't that more useful?
would make for better scrolling. One could do the iphone scroll thing. I know it doesn't do multitouch like the iphone since you can't use a stylus on that.
Isaac.S
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