Download where 2008OS???

[aung]

hi..all,
want to upgrade 2007os to 2008os. where can I download 2008os, please.
thank

[hobbes]

2008 probably won't be released until mid-month. Check after the release of the N810.

[penguinbait]

hi..all,
want to upgrade 2007os to 2008os. where can I download 2008os, please.
thank

Its not available yet, but please PM me if you find a link somewhere??

[Milhouse]

It will be available from here (http://tabletsdev.maemo.org) when it becomes available... keep an eye on maemo.org for the release announcement.

[Texrat]

I can assure you all it's very close. :D

[penguinbait]

I can assure you all it's very close. :D

I have Friday the 26th as my guess, but perhaps I am just wishing..

[Mara]

I can assure you all it's very close. :D

Well, at least the OS2008 for N810...

N800 owners likely need to wait a while longer. :( I hope to be wrong with this... but we'll see when the time comes...

[Texrat]

Well, at least the OS2008 for N810...

N800 owners likely need to wait a while longer. :( I hope to be wrong with this... but we'll see when the time comes...

I expect the releases to be simultaneous. Do you have reason to suspect otherwise? if you need to PM or email me, feel free (note I am in the office today and my N810 is being delivered to my desk as I type. :))

[Mara]

I expect the releases to be simultaneous. Do you have reason to suspect otherwise?

I do... check your PM...

[penguinbait]

simultaneous?

Perhaps you can both simultaneously send me a link, there I go wishing again

[wazd]

Sorry 4 slightly offtoping, but is transparent interface of Chinook means some graphix acceleration? Or are there any moves or even thoughts bout this theme? T u.

[zeez]

Sorry 4 slightly offtoping, but is transparent interface of Chinook means some graphix acceleration? Or are there any moves or even thoughts bout this theme? T u.

I think i read somewhere that transparency is done by cpu only - no acceleration.

[sherifnix]

I think i read somewhere that transparency is done by cpu only - no acceleration.

This is the only thing that is driving me crazy. I want an N810 so very badly but I don't want to get bitten again. If it never comes along and the N900 supports the video hardware I would be extremely upset.

The screen tearing is very obnoxious, especially when I'm dragging a webpage with the stylus. To top it off, if there is hardware accelleration I'm sure Nokia (or OSS developer) could provide the inertia scrolling I so dearly want on the ITs.

[ericdkirk]

Am I the only one who was holding out for a release of 2008OS for my N800 today?
on a side note any one know if canola will run on it?

[brendan]

my cousins, uncles, step-daughters, half-brothers, pet-rocks-first-owner, second grade teachers has an insider who knows that the update will be on the 11th. for sure. you can bank on it. and anyone who doesnt believe me can feel the wrath of my tongue-lashings.

</euchprof imitation>

[dormant]

That's a Sunday.

I don't think Finns work on a Sunday.

[jmk]

Most Finns work from monday to friday, usually from 8 a.m. to 4 p.m.

I'll bet november 16th (friday) or 19 th (monday)

[zerojay]

my cousins, uncles, step-daughters, half-brothers, pet-rocks-first-owner, second grade teachers has an insider who knows that the update will be on the 11th. for sure. you can bank on it. and anyone who doesnt believe me can feel the wrath of my tongue-lashings.

</euchprof imitation>

Oh man, let's not start that again. ;)

[zerojay]

Am I the only one who was holding out for a release of 2008OS for my N800 today?
on a side note any one know if canola will run on it?

Canola should run on it just fine if it's been ported to run on IT2008. Seeing that the guys that made it work for Nokia, I'm pretty sure we'll see it available when IT2008 is released.

[rs-px]

Bear in mind that some of us are actually buying N800s in light of the new OS (yes, that's N800, not N810 ;)). The proposed speed boost convinced me to trade in my 770.

But to confirm -- OS2008 will be a firmware update for the 800 and not a Hacker's Edition...?

[sachin007]

Bear in mind that some of us are actually buying N800s in light of the new OS (yes, that's N800, not N810 ;)). The proposed speed boost convinced me to trade in my 770.

But to confirm -- OS2008 will be a firmware update for the 800 and not a Hacker's Edition...?

yeah os 2008 is going to be an official firmware update. And good decision to upgrade to n800. you will be plesantly surprised by the n800 in comparision to the 770

[zerojay]

Bear in mind that some of us are actually buying N800s in light of the new OS (yes, that's N800, not N810 ;)). The proposed speed boost convinced me to trade in my 770.

But to confirm -- OS2008 will be a firmware update for the 800 and not a Hacker's Edition...?

It will be the exact same version of the firmware running on the N810 - ITOS 2008, not a hacker's edition.

[rs-px]

It will be the exact same version of the firmware running on the N810 - ITOS 2008, not a hacker's edition.

What about the mapping software, or the drivers for the GPS? Or will it be the case that we get the mapping software but not the actual maps? In which case, will Navicore be removing free access to their maps (http://www.navicoretech.com/Consumer/Support/Downloads/tablet/en_GB/tablet/)?

EDIT: Ah, just figured it out. The mapping stuff is one the extension card that comes with the N810, so isn't part of the firmware.

[Texrat]

rs-px, the map software is in the os2008 image. It is the maps that are on the internal flash.

[rs-px]

rs-px, the map software is in the os2008 image. It is the maps that are on the internal flash.

So is a license code required to activate the mapping software? Or does it use a different map format compared to Navicore?

[markku]

rs-px, the map software is in the os2008 image. It is the maps that are on the internal flash.

So if it's in the image, how big the new OS image will be? It's eating more and more room from the flash.

[rs-px]

So if it's in the image, how big the new OS image will be? It's eating more and more room from the flash.

IIRC the Navicore software on my 770 is only around 2MB when installed. The actual mapping program is pretty small.

For a full north Europe install, it's around 700MB on the memory card, including map data, voice files, and misc other bits and pieces.

[Texrat]

So is a license code required to activate the mapping software? Or does it use a different map format compared to Navicore?

I assume the map formats are the same, and no license is required to use the basic map application... only if you decide to use routing.

[traveller604]

I really do not understand why they don't release the damn OS already. I mean I'm guessing it's already final, after all N810 launch is just days away. Aaaa.. I really need the new OS. Hoping the issues that I've got with my Wifi box (wlan connection drops after being idle for a second or so even thou the tablet still shows full bars..) go away :confused:

[johsua]

Hoping the issues that I've got with my Wifi box (wlan connection drops after being idle for a second or so even thou the tablet still shows full bars..) go away :confused:

I bet that is a problem with your wlan. Have you searched the forums? I remember there being something about this discussed.

[jnack95]

I was having the same problem and had previously changed the wlan sleep timeout on the n800 to avoid the problem. On my router (Belkin pre-n), I found (after hours of messing around) that if I disable the QoS scheduler, the problem went away. Not sure if it will help but it's worth a try. Good luck.

[traveller604]

I bet that is a problem with you wlan. Have you searched the forums? I remember there being something about this discussed.

Well the thing is that I've read about people who have the same exact wifi box and no problems with N800.

I was having the same problem and had previously changed the wlan sleep timeout on the n800 to avoid the problem. On my router (Belkin pre-n), I found (after hours of messing around) that if I disable the QoS scheduler, the problem went away. Not sure if it will help but it's worth a try. Good luck.

Wlan sleep timeout? People tell me that disabling wlan power saving options in the N800 could help me with this problem, however I've found no such thing from the device. What goes for QoS scheduler.. no such setting in the wifi box, pretty much only thing I can change is the channel.


e. sorry for the offtopic

[Texrat]

I really do not understand why they don't release the damn OS already. I mean I'm guessing it's already final, after all N810 launch is just days away. Aaaa.. I really need the new OS. Hoping the issues that I've got with my Wifi box (wlan connection drops after being idle for a second or so even thou the tablet still shows full bars..) go away :confused:

Guess again. If it's not released, that means it's not 100% ready.

[traveller604]

Guess again. If it's not released, that means it's not 100% ready.

You sure? I mean one would think they're already producing and packaging those fancy N810 thingies, which means that there's already an OS inside them. That would be the final version..

Okay Nokia is known to release products with rather buggy (read not so ready) Operating Systems (N95 anyone), but still I reckon what they call OS 2008 final is already getting loaded to N810's..

[Texrat]

You sure? I mean one would think they're already producing and packaging those fancy N810 thingies, which means that there's already an OS inside them. That would be the final version...

Oh, I'm fairly sure. :D

And Nokia doesn't pack devices until just before they're to be sold. We run a lean machine. ;)

[iball]

Guess again. If it's not released, that means it's not 100% ready.

That'll teach Nokia NOT to go the route of beta testing using us folks in here.
Pretty much guarantees it WILL be released with bugs then.
Like the MAJOR one of RTcomm's Sofia implementation not working over a VPN tunnel and Nokia blaming it all on Sofia and even remakring in the bugzilla it won't be fixed BEFORE the OS2008 release. Sorry kids, but if you're not running encrypted VoIP all the way to the POTS lines then you're not running a serious VoIP solution.

In other words Texrat, your comment is pure, unadulterated bullsh1te. Nokia's released buggy firmware many times in the past, the most notorious one lately being the N95 firmware with the "missing keypress" bug as well as the "SD-card-bricking" kernal bug in the N800 firmware which they didn't bother to fix until just RECENTLY.
In other words, just because it's not released doesn't mean they are still working on it. It just means they don't give a rat's *** about releasing the firmware BEFORE they have shipping devices running it! Otherwise some ***** blogger will wind up running it on her N800 and whining about something that only works on the N810 and slamming it on the intarwebs (looking at you, Engadget!) possibly leading some to reconsider buying one.
I like you Rat, really I do, but that crap just makes you sound more and more like a kool-aid drinkin' fangurl instead of an intelligent enthusiast.

[Texrat]

iBall, I have NO idea what the hell you are going on about.

I simply told the guy OS2008 is not necessarily finished at this point.

You're jumping all over me based on an incorrect interpretation. You owe me an apology for that unwarranted diatribe... but I'm not holding my breath.

[audioworld]

ooooops,

sounds like a real conflict in here, just want to jump in here with an (unbiased?) look at the situation.

iball: from what I learned so far from this forum, we can be very happy to have such an inside-insider like Texrat amongst us, I supose he (like most of us here) is just one of many programmers working on his pieces of code segments, and anyway under heavy self-conflict how much and what to post in a public forum.
So please do not blame the sum of hiccups of some NOKIA code mishaps on him, and please do not make him step away from this open community. I myself very well got the meaning "between the lines" in his words, so contrary to your believe I DO think that the guys (and gals?) at NOKIA are working very hard to iron out the last obvious bugs in IT2008.

Given the complex interaction of today´s OS, middleware, firmware and applications (yes, I now something about quality assesment procedures during software deployment cycles, and I do speak ITITL, COBOL etc...) it is almost unavoidable that under certain cirumstances some small part of this code mess creates problems in the end-user-experience, but, again, never blame this on one single person and not in this tone.

just my 2 cents,
karl.

[Mara]

iBall, I have NO idea what the hell you are going on about.

I simply told the guy OS2008 is not necessarily finished at this point.

You're jumping all over me based on an incorrect interpretation. You owe me an apology for that unwarranted diatribe... but I'm not holding my breath.

Maybe you should clarify what you mean with "finished"... I suppose you mean that:
1. The code is frozen.
2. The frozen code has passed all the internal tests.

It is "finished" after these two points are completed.

iBall seemed to understand that the coders at Nokia are still at work on coding... and when the release happens someone just pulls out the "work in progress" code and releases it... Certainly that is NOT the case... (Even when it sometimes feels like that... :rolleyes: )

[Texrat]

I didn't think the qualifier was necessary, but "when it's DEEMED 100% finished" was what I meant. Regardless, I don't think the slams were called for.

Oh, and an FYI to audioworld: I appreciate the kudos, but my programming is limited to a platform I won't mention. :D My involvement with the tablets started with QA and continues with sober evangelism. ;)

[Jonnycat26]

iBall seemed to understand that the coders at Nokia are still at work on coding... and when the release happens someone just pulls out the "work in progress" code and releases it... Certainly that is NOT the case... (Even when it sometimes feels like that... :rolleyes: )

Well, iBall did overreact a bit, however as a longtime user of Nokia smartphones it seems like that recently they've been following the model of releasing firmware when they feel like it's ready. There have been a bit more fiascos with Nokia than most people appreciate.

[Texrat]

When a new variant is involved, an OS release (unique or shared by siblings) may have a tendency to come at or near the variant launch. Only makes sense. The goal, then, is to do one's best to ensure the release is solid by that deadline. Sometimes it happens. Sometimes it doesn't. But the OS can't slip by much-- it's gotta be on the N810, at a minimum, just prior to product availability.

[EnvyGeeks]

We all know it's already Frozen, it would have to be the make the deadline that's upcoming. Who would jump to such a high assumption to say it's not finished? Finished is a very subjective term. It's well past Alpha and frozen and onto final staging, as a matter of fact, I would assume at this point, it's gone past internal testing. It is due to be out soon, and they need to start pumping them out for release, or clearly run out of stock ;). If it wasn't staged and assumed safe enough for release by now they wouldn't be showcasing them as hard as they are right now.

[Texrat]

True to a point. Again, though, Nokia flashes firmware RIGHT at the time of packing, and products leave the factory that day or soon after. Flashed products do not stay in internal inventory long at all. So firmware, even for an announced and upcoming product, can still be massaged at this stage in the game.