[KDE] Koffice ?? Its been a productive month :)

[penguinbait]

I compiled Koffice, Kspread and Kchart, are not working yet, I need to recompile again and see if I can figure it out.

Here is some 3.5.8 preview pics with KOffice


http://penguinbait.com/KO1.png

http://penguinbait.com/KO2.png

http://penguinbait.com/KO3.png

http://penguinbait.com/KO4.png

http://penguinbait.com/KO5.png

http://penguinbait.com/KO6.png

http://penguinbait.com/KO7.png

http://penguinbait.com/KO8.png



I look forward to your comments :D

[pipeline]

Wow thats amazing... the 810 is being released with 2 megs internal memory to run 2008os which is only ... what 256 megs?

I think nokia built the 810 to be kde+koffice ready! (all in internal memory)

When will you release the fiasco mr penguin?! ;)

[dblank]

Wow thats amazing... the 810 is being released with 2 megs internal memory to run 2008os which is only ... what 256 megs?


2GB internal memory you mean? I think most of that is used by maps for the GPS.

[pipeline]

"No one will ever need more than 640K of memory" -- Bill Gates

But yes i meant 2 GB, thanks !

[artkavanagh]

"No one will ever need more than 640K of memory" -- Bill Gates

So he got something right, then? Mind you, it was something rather obvious.

[penguinbait]

And Krita, Kspread, Kchart

http://penguinbait.com/kspread.png

http://penguinbait.com/krita.png


So that would be a full koffice suite :)

Woo Hooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

KDEPIM, Koffice


All of my current hacks will not work without alterations on 2008OS

The good news is I have a working KDE 3.5.8 with kdepim and koffice compiled in chinook.

2008OS KDE BETA TESTER PM ME!! IT WILL NOT RUN ON 2007OS SO DONT BOTHER


If you see anything you would like me to include, let me know soon....

kde-apps.org (within reason, and no qt4 deps)



Another bit of good new, is that the audio on 2008OS seems to be working great KDE. No distortion in Juk when doing other tasks...

[penguinbait]

Anyone interested in testing (on 2008OS) KDE 3.5.8 with Koffice let me know, its working nicely

[bexley]

This is huge.

I'd be interested in being a part of testing. I'll have my N810 in hand as of tomorrow night. My experience with Linux is limited to working with a RedHat machine as my rendering workstation, but with the Nokia in my pocket all the time I should be able to catch up to be useful as a tester.

Gotta read through that app list, but I'm sure there's lots of stuff there that I could use. I'm especially looking forward to any audio and graphics apps that'll work on the N810.

[Syntra]

My only request is that you make this edition of KDE easier to install.
Oh also, not sure if this is possible, but Wine?

[penguinbait]

Well, as of right now it is just a tarball, and you will need to be booting from MMC with 1.5GB boot partition prior to untarring KDE. Its about 950MB to install.

Once I get my n810, I will release the final tarball, then I will see what I can do about an alternate install process. Well, we'll see what I can come up with? Its gonna be a month before Im gonna get to looking at that.

[L0cutus]

hello, what i need to do to try kde+koffice ?
i've just installed Os2008 on my n800, thanks !

[penguinbait]

hello, what i need to do to try kde+koffice ?
i've just installed Os2008 on my n800, thanks !

Well are you booting from mmc? You must be booting 2008OS from mmc/SD and have at least 1.5GB partition.

Once booting from SD with 2008OS, PM me and I will send you a link to the files you need to install

[Segnale007]

I have just installed kde 3.5.8 + Koffice on my n800 running os2008 .. it's so sweet and beautiful :) Ty very much Mr. Penguinbait .. I love ur grate job :)

here u can see some screens about it :)

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/5151/foto3eh7.th.jpg (http://img98.imageshack.us/my.php?image=foto3eh7.jpg)

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/6105/foto4qe1.th.jpg (http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?image=foto4qe1.jpg)

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/4126/foto1pc6.th.jpg (http://img401.imageshack.us/my.php?image=foto1pc6.jpg)

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/955/foto2te6.th.jpg (http://img144.imageshack.us/my.php?image=foto2te6.jpg)

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/2438/foto5hl4.th.jpg (http://img144.imageshack.us/my.php?image=foto5hl4.jpg)

Really ****ing great job man ;)

[penguinbait]

Glad to see your up and running. I see you customized to fits your likes. ;)

I just want to point out a few things, If you are using the onscreen keyboard (kvkbd) Check out the Dock Widget in the menu, this will give to access onscreen keyboard when in fullscreen, nice if you need it for VNC or Rdesktop. Or even to use it when fullscreen in Konqueror, or other apps.

I see you changed the pager, I HIGHLY reccomend turning on "Window Thumbnails" from the pager options menu. This allows you to drag window between desktops, it ALSO allows you to move windows up on the screnn, for when you can not get to the bottom of a window, which will occaisonally happen.

Did you notice VNC and rdesktop are already installed, These are my versions, not maemoized versions.

Did you notice you can connect to your n8x0 from VNC or rdesktop?

Did you print anything?

Very nice to see you make it your own,

[Segnale007]

Did you notice you can connect to your n8x0 from VNC or rdesktop?

Did you print anything?

Very nice to see you make it your own,

I don't use VNC or rdesktop, just ssh, but, I think I must to try it .. So, I have printed some docs maked with kword, and cups working really great, the sound is beautilul perfect, and kde is really usable and also stable, nothing goes down, is pretty cool :)

I have found 1 problem only, flashplayer doesn't work with konqueror, or missing, I don't know, but, this is not release, I know ..

Ty for ur grate job :) ( and sorry for my bad english )

[penguinbait]

I don't use VNC or rdesktop, just ssh, but, I think I must to try it .. So, I have printed some docs maked with kword, and cups working really great, the sound is beautilul perfect, and kde is really usable and also stable, nothing goes down, is pretty cool :)

I have found 1 problem only, flashplayer doesn't work with konqueror, or missing, I don't know, but, this is not release, I know ..

Ty for ur grate job :) ( and sorry for my bad english )



I have tried to get the flash working, by using the flsh libs with microb, but no luck it does not work. I have searched I do not think I can get the sources to the flashplayer? If you know where I can find them I would try to compile, but I think you have ot pay adobe or something, is there an opensource flash project?

Your english is fine, are you using swap partition or swap file?

[Segnale007]

I have done an swap of 150 mb, not is enough, but, work great .. I don't know where u can found the flashplayer source code, but, I know adobe had been released a source code for developers mozilla, but, I don't have idea where u can found it .. But, u can try with gnash (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/), it is a alpha release. so, I guess flashplayer 9 is thound batter, but gnash working fine on my freebsd, and it is free sw and opensource, maybe, u should be try, if u want, and have time to spend with it .

[fmo]

Hi all,

I've managed to install Kde 3.5.8 on my N800 running OS2008beta and it is absolutely AMAZING !

It's installed on a 8GB SDHC card and it works beautifuly!

Here are a few screenshots:
Kde Menu
http://fernandomoreira.free.fr/n800-kde/snapshot1.png
Office Menu ! :D
http://fernandomoreira.free.fr/n800-kde/snapshot2.png
Krita :)
http://fernandomoreira.free.fr/n800-kde/snapshot3.png
Kontact (a decent PIM finally !)
http://fernandomoreira.free.fr/n800-kde/snapshot4.png
Kopete running with a Jabber account
http://fernandomoreira.free.fr/n800-kde/snapshot5.png

The only problem I have is how to simulate a right click.

FANTASTIC job Penguinbait, thanks a lot for this!

I can't wait to see Amarok running on my N800, any chance?

Just a last question, how do you make the boot on MMC the default?

Thx again.

[dblank]

The only problem I have is how to simulate a right click.


I've been meaning to look into this as well, I'd love to have tap and hold send a right click to X apps.

[fmo]

I've been meaning to look into this as well, I'd love to have tap and hold send a right click to X apps.

I was thinking of looking into what they do for distribs running on MAC, because the problem would be the same because of the single button mouse.

At the moment, it's not working anymore, I mounted the memory card to transfer music on it and now it's broken :( I'll have to redo it as soon as I have some time free

[fmo]

Ok so I have my Kde back up and running again, it looks like my Ubuntu has the same bug with SDHC cards has the old OS2007... I need to check into this too.

If anyone finds out how to emulate the right click I would be grateful :)

[wv9k]

IIRC, you just hold the stylus on the screen to get the right click menu.

[fmo]

IIRC, you just hold the stylus on the screen to get the right click menu.

Doesn't seem to work.

[here.david]

Anyone interested in testing (on 2008OS) KDE 3.5.8 with Koffice let me know, its working nicely

I just ordered the 810 (have a 770 with 2007HE with Skype running...:o) if you would let me know what I need to do next, I am in... Cheers, David

[penguinbait]

This is 2008OS Version Only, so PM me when your n810 gets here and you setup boot from SD

[vormund]

I dont know if anyone has this working on the n810 yet, but I'm currently trying to get it working on mine. I got stuck however at getting the device to boot from the internal card. I had upgraded 2008OS to ver. .42-19 and found out that when I tried to install initfs_flasher from http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/#initfs and it did not have support for ver 42-19 of 2008OS. So I downgraded to ver 42-18 and I was able to get it installed and working, and I can now boot from mmc2. So now I'm gonna try to get kde working.

Also another problem, or what could be a problem is that I'm not able to select anything other than booting from the mmc2 partition at the selection menu, none of the keys on the n810 are working.

[penguinbait]

I dont know if anyone has this working on the n810 yet, but I'm currently trying to get it working on mine. I got stuck however at getting the device to boot from the internal card. I had upgraded 2008OS to ver. .42-19 and found out that when I tried to install initfs_flasher from http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/#initfs and it did not have support for ver 42-19 of 2008OS. So I downgraded to ver 42-18 and I was able to get it installed and working, and I can now boot from mmc2. So now I'm gonna try to get kde working.

Also another problem, or what could be a problem is that I'm not able to select anything other than booting from the mmc2 partition at the selection menu, none of the keys on the n810 are working.

I am still awaiting an n810, it will probably be a few weeks still, I have only tested on n800 with 2008OS. the following thread is the best place to post the initfs problems, Fanoush is quite responsive

http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11703

[vormund]

Ok I made a post there about it, I'm just waiting on the download of kde now so I'll let you know what happens when its done.

[penguinbait]

I think you might be the first n810 running KDE, when you get the download done. I am Jealous :D

I really really really cant wait to get my n810.

I hope you enjoy it ;)

[fmo]

Can't wait to have a feedback usability on the N810, the keyboard probably does bring a bit more usability.

Penguinbait, do you have any idea about simulating the right click within Kde?

[ranasing]

I think you might be the first n810 running KDE, when you get the download done. I am Jealous :D

I really really really cant wait to get my n810.

I hope you enjoy it ;)
@penguinbait: I have been searching around, but I cannot locate where and how to install KDE and KOffice on the MMC to try this on my N800 with OS2008 beta. Could you give me the link to find out how to go about this? Is it somewhere at kde-apps.org? Thanks in advance!

[penguinbait]

@penguinbait: I have been searching around, but I cannot locate where and how to install KDE and KOffice on the MMC to try this on my N800 with OS2008 beta. Could you give me the link to find out how to go about this? Is it somewhere at kde-apps.org? Thanks in advance!

Well if you read this thread, it will tell you how to obtain KDE. That is by sending me a PM and requesting it. Its basically in testing until I recieve my n810. If you want to try it out send me a message and I will send you a link.

Prior to installing KDE, you MUST be booting from SD card with 1.5GB partition or larger running 2008OS. You can not install KDE into flash, so this must be setup prior to installing KDE.

[penguinbait]

Can't wait to have a feedback usability on the N810, the keyboard probably does bring a bit more usability.

Penguinbait, do you have any idea about simulating the right click within Kde?

Once I get my 810 in hand this will be a top priority, I do not have any spare keys on my n800 to even think about. We'll see if we can get it working.

[vormund]

Well I've run into some problems just before I was going to install KDE on my n810. It no longer boots from the internal card, says it failed to boot from internal card and boots from the flash memory. Also when I turn the n810 on it boots to the flash then loads the home screen then restarts a few seconds later. It did this a few times to me this morning before it would stay on. So when I was so close to having KDE running everything fell apart on me lol.

Edit: well it seems to have stopped rebooting itself for now. I'm going to try a few things to see if I can get it booting from mmc2 again, and hopefully I'll have KDE on it tonight.

[vormund]

After a few problems with getting the n810 to boot from mmc2 partition 2 I was able to get KDE installed on the n810. However when I try to run KDE the screen turns black for a few seconds and it returns me to the home screen, so no KDE working yet but much closer. Also for anyone who trys this on the n810 I found that I cant boot from the internal card if I have my external card in the n810, everything works fine when I take it out.

Edit: I just noticed that my internal card partition that I set up KDE on is full (total size: 1.47gb, 1kb free) so thats probably my problem, or atleast one of them at this point. I thought I had partitioned it to be atleast 1.5gb, guess I'll try repartitioning and see if that works.

[penguinbait]

After a few problems with getting the n810 to boot from mmc2 partition 2 I was able to get KDE installed on the n810. However when I try to run KDE the screen turns black for a few seconds and it returns me to the home screen, so no KDE working yet but much closer. Also for anyone who trys this on the n810 I found that I cant boot from the internal card if I have my external card in the n810, everything works fine when I take it out.

Edit: I just noticed that my internal card partition that I set up KDE on is full (total size: 1.47gb, 1kb free) so thats probably my problem, or atleast one of them at this point. I thought I had partitioned it to be atleast 1.5gb, guess I'll try repartitioning and see if that works.

1.47GB is more than enough.

The flash is around 200MB and about 950MB for KDE, there should be plenty of space. Is the KDE tarball sitting on the partition also? 1.5 was overkill, I want to leave 350MB available minimum to install other applications. So I am not sure what the problem is?

[vormund]

1.47GB is more than enough.

The flash is around 200MB and about 950MB for KDE, there should be plenty of space. Is the KDE tarball sitting on the partition also? 1.5 was overkill, I want to leave 350MB available minimum to install other applications. So I am not sure what the problem is?

I forgot about the tarball and that did the trick, KDE is up and running! :D

I'll post screen shots when I can.

[vormund]

Heres a few of the screen shots I took

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m81/nsxtr99/snapshot2.png

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m81/nsxtr99/snapshot3.png

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m81/nsxtr99/snapshot4.png

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m81/nsxtr99/snapshot5.png

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m81/nsxtr99/snapshot6.png

[rone]

I have KDE up and running. I am amazed how well it works. I added my feeds AKregator and it downloaded them and I was able to read them. I browsed the web using Konqueror. Lost a game of KReversi. Had a little desktop pet running around...

I love the solitaire (Patience) game. I wish this version could be ported to 0s2008.

Overall I like the look and feel (yes, it is slower than OS2008 but not unusable). I do agree that some of the apps do waste space when compared to hildonized apps.

I have run into some challenges, some of it is because I am not familiar with KDE. I have tried to load a very simple excel spread sheet into kspread and kspread just stops responding. I let it sit all night trying to do the load and it did not complete. World clock loads but the image does not display. I can't figure out how to get Spider in Patience to deal out more cards once play has started. On some screens I can not get to the OK button and I have not found a way to move the window up so I can get to it.

Overall, great job!

[gentux]

Ok, i've now successfully downloaded and installed KDE on my N800 with 2008 OS. One little tip: Install the msttcorefonts onto your device so the KDE doesn't look all that bad.

The default theme in penguinbait's tarball doesn't appeal to me, but that's not a big problem.

I noticed that the connection icon is invisible but clickable don't know what happend. I'm now transfering my boot mmc (4 Gig) to a 2 Gig card which will then be inserted into the internal slot and load my 4 Gig card with music (i'm going to hungray this evening)

So as small conclusion: KDE is very slow but if you receive a doc, ppt, xls file via e-mail you can now take a look at it on the n800 and that's something very good!

[penguinbait]

Ok, i've now successfully downloaded and installed KDE on my N800 with 2008 OS. One little tip: Install the msttcorefonts onto your device so the KDE doesn't look all that bad.

Where is this found, I may include it in final if it looks nice, can you please point out where this package is obtained.

The default theme in penguinbait's tarball doesn't appeal to me, but that's not a big problem.

Yeah, you can easily change this. If you have a theme you like save it and send it to me, I can include it in the final version.

I noticed that the connection icon is invisible but clickable don't know what happend.
I am not sure what you mean? Can you show a screenshot? The sceenshot tool is in KDE.

I'm now transfering my boot mmc (4 Gig) to a 2 Gig card which will then be inserted into the internal slot and load my 4 Gig card with music (i'm going to hungray this evening)

So as small conclusion: KDE is very slow

Curious do you have swap partition or file and what size is it? When you say its slow, I would like a little clarification, I amjust curious what you mean. It is definetly slower than a desktop, and all the apps were written to run on much faster processors, no question. But its works very well, you might just have to wait 6 seconds for an app to startup, but then there is no slowness?

but if you receive a doc, ppt, xls file via e-mail you can now take a look at it on the n800 and that's something very good!

Well I have not done a lot of testing, but I dont think Koffice wil open MS xls doc or ppt files. There is a way to create Koffice versions of these and csv and rtf and doc, not MS doc is supported?



Did you use kmail? Did you print anything?

[penguinbait]

I have KDE up and running. I am amazed how well it works. I added my feeds AKregator and it downloaded them and I was able to read them. I browsed the web using Konqueror. Lost a game of KReversi. Had a little desktop pet running around...

I love the solitaire (Patience) game. I wish this version could be ported to 0s2008.

Overall I like the look and feel (yes, it is slower than OS2008 but not unusable).

I do agree that some of the apps do waste space when compared to hildonized apps.
Well there is no question its much bigger, but it was not optimized for space, and provides a full OS suite of applications, where Noia OS only provides a small base. I literally compiled and installed over 100 packages in order to get KDE working, so its kinda big :)

I have run into some challenges, some of it is because I am not familiar with KDE. I have tried to load a very simple excel spread sheet into kspread and kspread just stops responding. I let it sit all night trying to do the load and it did not complete. World clock loads but the image does not display. I can't figure out how to get Spider in Patience to deal out more cards once play has started. On some screens I can not get to the OK button and I have not found a way to move the window up so I can get to it.

Overall, great job!


Have you printed anything yet? Also as in other post I do not think MS file formats are supported.

[penguinbait]

Heres a few of the screen shots I took

Well theyre supposed to be here, having some problems uploading. I'll get them up after some sleep.


I know I am not the only one who is anxious to hear how its running on the n810. I am sure it runs the same, I am curious how the speed of the internal 2GB compares to external? Is there any problems with keyboard input from the hardware keyboard? Any odd behavior?

[vormund]

I know I am not the only one who is anxious to hear how its running on the n810. I am sure it runs the same, I am curious how the speed of the internal 2GB compares to external? Is there any problems with keyboard input from the hardware keyboard? Any odd behavior?

It's running pretty good on the n810, I havent had much time to mess around with it yet. The only big problem I had so far was it locked up when I tried to load a web page in konqueror and I had to remove the battery to turn it off and back on. The keyboard was working in kword, to use the shift and Fn you have to hold them down while selecting the key you want (normally with the n810 you dont have to hold them down). However the Fn key does not work in konqueror and the on screen keyboard doesnt have any numbers on it (just [] where they should be) so I'm unable to use numbers in konqueror. It doesnt take that long to start up KDE and everything runs at a pretty good speed (took about 14 seconds for kword to load). I've also found that its easier to use the arrow keys to navigate some of the menus. It helps a lot to hide the panel at the bottom to see the entire window thats open since the screen is so small. My roommate is actually getting a n800 now because I got KDE working on my n810 and he liked how it ran. I dont know how you guys do it without the slide out keyboard its really nice and speeds typing up a lot (for me atleast).

Also I got the screen shots up on my previous post.

I also wanted to say thank you to penguinbait for putting KDE together and to fanoush who got initfs flasher working for the n810 and 2008OS ver 19 so quickly. KDE just increased the usefullness of the n810 for me by so much.

[penguinbait]

It's running pretty good on the n810, I havent had much time to mess around with it yet. The only big problem I had so far was it locked up when I tried to load a web page in konqueror and I had to remove the battery to turn it off and back on. The keyboard was working in kword, to use the shift and Fn you have to hold them down while selecting the key you want (normally with the n810 you dont have to hold them down). It doesnt take that long to start up KDE and everything runs at a pretty good speed (took about 14 seconds for kword to load). I've also found that its easier to use the arrow keys to navigate some of the menus. It helps a lot to hide the panel at the bottom to see the entire window thats open since the screen is so small. My roommate is actually getting a n800 now because I got KDE working on my n810 and he liked how it ran. I dont know how you guys do it without the slide out keyboard its really nice and speeds typing up a lot (for me atleast).

Also I got the screen shots up on my previous post.

I also wanted to say thank you to penguinbait for putting KDE together and to fanoush who got initfs flasher working for the n810 and 2008OS ver 19 so quickly. KDE just increased the usefullness of the n810 for me by so much.


Well the Konqueror crashing, I am guessing it was on this site? ITT?

I am further guessing you do not have a swap partition or a swap file.

ITT will crash KDE without a swap file, that front page has just too much going one. If you open like google news or other pages it does not seem to have any issue.

The swap file will help overall performance when running KDE. I wish it had like 512MB RAM, I think we would be cruising pretty good.

Please let me know if I am wrong with my guessing?

Also, I agree, the menus are best navigated by the DPAD.

[vormund]

Well the Konqueror crashing, I am guessing it was on this site? ITT?

I am further guessing you do not have a swap partition or a swap file.

ITT will crash KDE without a swap file, that front page has just too much going one. If you open like google news or other pages it does not seem to have any issue.

The swap file will help overall performance when running KDE. I wish it had like 512MB RAM, I think we would be cruising pretty good.

Please let me know if I am wrong with my guessing?

Also, I agree, the menus are best navigated by the DPAD.

Yeah it was when I loaded this web site that it crashed, google and gmail worked fine. I just cant sign into gmail because I cant use numbers in konqueror lol. And I dont have a swap partition or swap file.

Edit: well now the Fn key is working in konqueror, I didnt change anything so not sure why it started working.

[theredbaron]

Hey everyone,

I am new to this forum and new to the IT community in general. I just purchased an n800 a couple days ago. I have been following this forum for awhile (before I even got the tablet) and was anxious to try KDE on my n800. I am a web designer and excited by the fact that I could run a graphics application like Krita on my tablet. This makes the tablet like a portable office for me. I have never used Linux before so getting KDE up and running was a challenge but I just got it to work!

Again, having never used Linux before (or KDE) this has all been a very new experience. I have to commend Penguinbait on such an amazing job. If a noob like me can get KDE up and running, I think anyone can. As I continue to use KDE, I will keep posting comments here, but I wanted to again thank Penguinbait for making this possible.


-theredbaron

[vormund]

I just had a quick question about KDE on the n800/810, do you know if theres any way to view the battery life of the device in KDE?

[free]

And I dont have a swap partition or swap file.
Very bad idea!

[penguinbait]

I just had a quick question about KDE on the n800/810, do you know if theres any way to view the battery life of the device in KDE?


I do not have a way to check the battery life at this time. If someone has ideas I am all ears? We might be able to get a KDE developer onboard????

[theredbaron]

everything is working for me so far. i did manage to crash the tablet also by trying to visit this site in konqueror. i also found a problem where if you try and edit the taskbar settings, the control panel window will go off the bottom of the screen and thus you can not find the "apply" and "ok" buttons. i had changed the theme from penguinbait's to a default kde theme and was trying to turn on the panel hiding buttons. in addition, i agree that some kind of battery indicator would be very helpful as well.

[linuxrebel]

I do not have a way to check the battery life at this time. If someone has ideas I am all ears? We might be able to get a KDE developer onboard????

Not a KDE dev but I do know from doing some superKaramba stuff that KDE used apmd or acpi (depending on the Laptop) to get battery status. Now the hard part is that I'm not seeing these two in /proc and I also don't see a replacement for this data.

[penguinbait]

Not a KDE dev but I do know from doing some superKaramba stuff that KDE used apmd or acpi (depending on the Laptop) to get battery status. Now the hard part is that I'm not seeing these two in /proc and I also don't see a replacement for this data.


The default tools are not going to work, but there may be some maemo developers that know how to get at the data?

[theredbaron]

i saved an image in os2008 on my external memory card. i wanted to open it in kde but i can't find the external card in kde. i opened 'system' and looked in all the directories but the external card is nowhere. also i tried saving the image to my internal card (the same card i am booting from that is running kde) but os2008 says the card is corrupted. the card is obviously not corrupted cause i am booting from it. Any thoughts?

[vormund]

i saved an image in os2008 on my external memory card. i wanted to open it in kde but i can't find the external card in kde. i opened 'system' and looked in all the directories but the external card is nowhere. also i tried saving the image to my internal card (the same card i am booting from that is running kde) but os2008 says the card is corrupted. the card is obviously not corrupted cause i am booting from it. Any thoughts?

To get to my external card from KDE I had to open konqueror (system) and enter "/media/mmc1" in the address bar (you dont want "system:/media/mmc1"). If mmc1 doesnt work it might be mmc2, I'm not sure how the n800 names the cards.

Also from your post above about not being able to see the entire screen for some windows, I've found that some can be made into full screen by using the full screen button on the top of the device (I think the n800 has one). It doesnt work on all windows though so you'll either need to hide the taskbar or just hit enter which will usually select accept.

[vormund]

Does anyone happen to know if theres a gps application that would work with KDE on the n810 (or n800 with the add on)? The included mapping application that comes with the n810 takes up about 1.5gb for the maps which is stored on the internal card (probably why they made the card an internal 2gb) which I had to clear to make room for KDE. I know maemo mapper isnt quite as large but I've had some issues with using the n810's gps with it (have to start the gps from control panel and leave it open for maemo mapper to find it). And it would be nice to be able to open it from KDE rather than having to exit out back to 2008OS. Maybe this is something you could work on penguinbait when your n810 arrives :D

[penguinbait]

Does anyone happen to know if theres a gps application that would work with KDE on the n810 (or n800 with the add on)? The included mapping application that comes with the n810 takes up about 1.5gb for the maps which is stored on the internal card (probably why they made the card an internal 2gb) which I had to clear to make room for KDE. I know maemo mapper isnt quite as large but I've had some issues with using the n810's gps with it (have to start the gps from control panel and leave it open for maemo mapper to find it). And it would be nice to be able to open it from KDE rather than having to exit out back to 2008OS. Maybe this is something you could work on penguinbait when your n810 arrives :D

Well I have requested maemo-mapper be ported to work on X without maemo hooks. It would be great for laptops too;). But I think this is low priority for Gnuite. Perhaps if enough people requested it, and offered him some paypal donations, it might speed things up ;). I do use maemo-mapper in KDE but its not always easy:D I will definetly see what the deal is, there has to be a way to fire it up manually. Then we just write a script to start it and maemo-mapper together for KDE.

I cant wait to get my 810:confused:

[penguinbait]

To get to my external card from KDE I had to open konqueror (system) and enter "/media/mmc1" in the address bar (you dont want "system:/media/mmc1"). If mmc1 doesnt work it might be mmc2, I'm not sure how the n800 names the cards.

Also from your post above about not being able to see the entire screen for some windows, I've found that some can be made into full screen by using the full screen button on the top of the device (I think the n800 has one). It doesnt work on all windows though so you'll either need to hide the taskbar or just hit enter which will usually select accept.


The fullscreen key is very helpful, as well as the pager. using the pager you can drag windows up on the screen to access the bottoms of them. ;)

[theredbaron]

In KDE, When it asks for a username and password (for instance when I try to set up a printer) what should I put? It says username is "user" but I haven't set any passwords or anything.

[penguinbait]

In KDE, When it asks for a username and password (for instance when I try to set up a printer) what should I put? It says username is "user" but I haven't set any passwords or anything.

it wants root and root password

need to be admin to setup a printer :D

if you already have not, change the root password

passwd root

[theredbaron]

seriously penguinbait you are a genius. I can't thank you enough for all your help and contributions to this community.

[penguinbait]

KDE updates in the works

http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13324&highlight=woohoo

I will be adding joystick support, module loading on boot, and include the qjoypad software.

For those who are already running KDE, I will be updating the SUP so you will not have to download all of KDE again to recieve the update, just the SUP.

I will post here once its complete and let you know you can download the new version.


I was playing quake with a joystick on my n800 and it was sweet!!

[kgingeri]

Penguinbait, you are far from a 'useless geek' - you are amazing and valueable to this community dude!!!! :cool: IMHO

[Aisu]

I'm actually the useless geek, thank you very much, Penguinbait is the genius unix admin ;)

PB! Did another post about your work, hope you like it (my site's ratings sure as hell did :D People love you :)) http://geekpenguin.blogspot.com/2007/12/kde-office-suite.html

[kgingeri]

I'm actually the useless geek, thank you very much, Penguinbait is the genius unix admin


Oops, sorry about that Penguin - I should have read Aisu's blog better. Tho I doubt you are useless either Aisu ;) You guys (and gals) are all awsome, and you know it! :P

Keep up the good work everyone!

[PinCushionQueen]

Hope everyone had a very Merry Xmas!

Ok - so I finally got KDE installed and pretty much set up - I'm still tweaking a few things here & there, but it's going strong for the most part.

First off, I'll comment on installation for the N810.

I basically followed the directions found in the Wiki for partitioning and booting from MMC (http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_easily_boot_from_mmc_card/). The N810 changes the names of the MMCs so I had to edit the bootmenu.conf (http://www.1src.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1027043&postcount=38) file to get it to boot properly. Once that's all done the installation of KDE was pretty straightforward with one exception - the command you gave: tar jxvf KDE358.tar.bz2 didn't work because it appears that xterm won't recognize j so just incase anyone else needs it, a work around is: bunzip2 -c path/to/file.tar.bz2 | tar -xvf - Once KDE is installed it launches very easily from the application menu.

Now on to KDE:
The gui can be challenging at first, but it's really not surprising because all of the apps were written for a much larger screen with different resolution. But with quite a bit adjusting I've got set up to quite usable.

1) I've (ok so my husband did it for me) had to make some changes to xmodmap (to set up a "Tab" and "Alt" keys) and this allows me to be able to move the windows around - which is needed to be able to tap "Apply" or "OK" etc. I've also assigned the "Home" hardware button to minimize window. This has allowed me to use Canola2 while in KDE and keep it playing in the background. 810 users will also need to activate "Sticky Keys" in Control Center -> Accessibility ->Modifier Keys; this will make Fn and shift work on the keyboard.

2) The application menu is still difficult to navigate with the stylus - I haven't figured out how to remedy this yet. I've tried different font sizes and configurations but none seem to do the trick. For now I've just linked apps that I want to use frequently to the desktop or placed them in Quick Launcher.

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff161/GirlWithManyEyes/tree8.png

3) As I've already mentioned, I've got a shortcut for Canola2 and can launch it from within KDE - it takes ~5 secs to load but that's less than if I had to logout of KDE and start it up in Maemo. I've also got FBReader & Control Panel and App Manager were already there (thanks PB).

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff161/GirlWithManyEyes/FBreaderKDE.png

What's cool is that this can also work from within Maemo - you can run Konqueror from xTerm.

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff161/GirlWithManyEyes/KonquerMaemo.png

4) I really like how super customizable KDE is... There are so many applications available, I've only just begun to play with those. But so far, KOrganizer, kPDF, KAlarm, KolourPaint & Kword all work well. KWord was even to open up an Open Office (odt & swx) file perfectly. MSWord could open but it showed only text - the images were missing, still not bad though. :D Yay, I finally have a document viewer/editor for my 810!!


All in all this is absolutely fantastic! Now if we could only figure out how to get a battery status indicator and right click ability, I'd really like to use KDE as my main desktop environment on the 810. Anybody know how to launch the status bar battery indicator for Maemo from xterm? I've tried but can't find it :( I don't think this KDE has APM (acpi) installed - my husband's laptop (running KDE) uses that for power management and there's an option for it in Control Center, but I get an error message that it's not installed.

I've also looked and google for possible keyboard short cut for right click but haven't found a solution yet - at least there's pretty much always an alternate way of doing the action that right click performs.

I do have one small problem though... there was a WiFi indicator when I first installed KDE, and somehow over the course of all my alterations, I've lost it and can't figure out how to get it back - please help :o

Many Thanks to PenquinBait :D

[PinCushionQueen]

Just found a problem... Whenever you install the SUP.tgz as part of the KDE install, it breaks your fonts for microb :(

Yesterday I noticed that my microb fonts were broken (ie: monospaced fonts everywhere = very ugly and hard to read). I read where using the wrong tar app during the cloning process can mess up the fonts & I wanted the osso wifi applet back, so I today I decided to reclone and reinstall KDE. I made sure that I was using gnutar instead of the builtin tar for each step of the process and I checked microb fonts each after each step. I can tell you that microb used the correct fonts until I installed SUP.tgz - when I opened microb the fonts were monospaced.

At least I got my connection manager back on my KDE desktop. :D Any ideas how to fix the microb fonts? I've been using Konqueror but I'd just like the option to have microb readable in case I want to use it too.

[bexley]

No replies? I'm a relative newb to Linux and this is still pretty huge to me.

I can't wait till these tablets get some more processing power so that the opensource aspect really shines and we can use most or all Linux apps and distros out there.

[gnexus]

I can't wait till these tablets get some more processing power so that the oensource aspect really shines and we can use most or all Linux apps and distros out there.

Actually things already work quite well and the tablet is more memory constricted right now rather than processor constrained.

Congratulations to penguinbait for the great porting work!

Obviously this port was not exactly trivial, and KDE works quite well. Unfortunately I got into the N800 game a little later than others, but I'm catching up fast as I've previously been a bit involved with other ARM projects like Open WRT and DD-WRT (http://www.dd-wrt.com/dd-wrtv2/index.php)

penguinbait:
Many thanks! Please don't get upset by all the uninformed jerks on this site. What you have done, even if was just compilation, it quite groundbreaking and significant, and many people owe you a lot of thanks. Even if for nothing but a proof-of-concept. I'm certain, however, that your work can be built upon. I'll post screenshots and more info soon. Right now my scratchbox died, so I need to work on fixing that, but I'm looking forward to KOffice and helping out with KDE. I'll PM you soon!

[PinCushionQueen]

Ok... so I've been KDE as N810 desktop environment pretty much exclusively for the past several days. I've got the majority of usability issues and limitations ironed out by making a lot of changes in the Control Center - mainly in the Accessibilities section. However, Applications Menu is still tricky.

I've even been able to get battery readings (thanks to ag2 :) ) by using battery-status (http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14115). I've made a short-cut for the shell script and placed it on my desktop - now checking the battery status is really no more difficult than it was in Maemo (although it might be slightly less pretty).

There are a few things that could use to be fixed:

1. There appears to be an issue with jpg support. I can't use jpgs for wallpaper and Kolour Paint gives the error on unsupported format. Krita will open them though.

2) I'd love to see if it's possible to port KMyMoney (http://kmymoney2.sourceforge.net/index-gen.html), PWManager (http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/PwManager?content=10277) and RoadNav (http://roadnav.sourceforge.net/index.php).

3) For some reason, mPlayer is sluggish when run from KDE - even from xterm but not when run from Maemo. Can't figure out why. Perhaps it's a memory limitation? Not a big deal- I don't really watch videos that often so I can easily just go into Maemo for those.

4) Whenever, I connect to Wifi from KDE, after my set time-out of 10 mins (which I set in Maemo), I get fully disconnected from my router. Maemo doesn't fully disconnect. This is not really a bug, IMHO - as I prefer to have wifi disconnect after a set period of time - it's really more of an observation.

Thanks again, PenquinBait!! :D I absolutely love my new K810 ;)

[dblank]

2) I'd love to see if it's possible to port KMyMoney (http://kmymoney2.sourceforge.net/index-gen.html), PWManager (http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/PwManager?content=10277) and RoadNav (http://roadnav.sourceforge.net/index.php).


After lots of fiddling about I got RoadNav to work, but it needs some serious optimization; used a ton of CPU/RAM.

Hopefully someone who isn't me can make it work better :)

[PinCushionQueen]

After lots of fiddling about I got RoadNav to work, but it needs some serious optimization; used a ton of CPU/RAM.

Hopefully someone who isn't me can make it work better :)

Good to know! So there is hope :)

And how did you install it? Did you install it to KDE or Maemo?

[sgosnell]

PCQ, why do you want to use RoadNav instead of Maemo Mapper?

[dblank]

Good to know! So there is hope :)

And how did you install it? Did you install it to KDE or Maemo?

Maemo, but it would probably run just as poorly in KDE.

It was pretty tricky getting it properly configured, as the config panels need more than 800x480, so I ended up hitting tab a bunch of times to try to hit the invisible "ok" button.

[dblank]

PCQ, why do you want to use RoadNav instead of Maemo Mapper?

I can't answer for PCQ, but I'd like to be able to set a destination address, and generate routes without an internet connection, and without doing so in advanced.

Also I like using the line maps to save space.

[PinCushionQueen]

Since I'm running my 810 KDE ~97% of the time lately & while Maemo Mapper will run from xterm (how I've been getting maemo apps to run in KDE), it doesn't allow one to access the menus & this limits it functionality. I was wondering if RoadNav could be ported into PenquinBait's KDE.

I can always logout of KDE when ever I need gps, which isn't very often. In maemo, MM works great.

[dblank]

PCQ feel free to try my build of roadmap at http://maemobox.org/dblank/roadmap_1.1.0-1_armel.deb

There were some things I was planning on doing before sharing a .deb, but I forgot what they were :)

I don't know about the N810, but I had to run /usr/libexec/navicore-gpsd-helper and then have roadmap use gpsd to get it working on my N800.

Edit: you may want to edit /usr/local/bin/roadmap.sh, and add "sleep 10;" (without quotes) after the &, it takes my GPS at least a few seconds before it starts spitting out data. Also set --maps to wherever your maps are.

[sgosnell]

RoadNav generates routes on the fly? I'll have to try again to get it working. I still can't make it find my GPS on my EeePC, and I had just about given up on it. It's difficult to learn the features when the app doesn't work.

[PinCushionQueen]

PCQ feel free to try my build of roadmap at http://daveblank.com/N800/roadmap_1.1.0-1_armel.deb

There were some things I was planning on doing before sharing a .deb, but I forgot what they were :)

I don't know about the N810, but I had to run /usr/libexec/navicore-gpsd-helper and then have roadmap use gpsd to get it working on my N800.

Edit: you may want to edit /usr/local/bin/roadmap.sh, and add "sleep 10;" (without quotes) after the &, it takes my GPS at least a few seconds before it starts spitting out data. Also set --maps to wherever your maps are.

Hmmm... So far not able to get RoadMap to run on my 810. My gpsd isn't in /usr/libexec/ will have to look around and see if I can find it. I'll report back, if I get it working :)

[dblank]

Hmmm... So far not able to get RoadMap to run on my 810. My gpsd isn't in /usr/libexec/ will have to look around and see if I can find it. I'll report back, if I get it working :)

Do you have navicore-gpsd-helper? I think there's other ways to get gpsd running, or at least get a device you can point to, I just don't remember how.

[psychoboogie]

really want to get this setup have had an n810 for about 2 weeks now. I PM'd penguinbait but I have not had a response yet. I got a 4 gig sdhc card ready to begin the process. It hasn't been so clear so I wanted to ask, once you archive your current os to the sdhc drive, how does kde get installed? on top of 2008? or as a seperate boot? I keep reading posts it works like an app, but I just wanted to get a little bit more inside info before pulling the trigger. A lot of screenshots have kde apps running inside maemo.

thx.

[PinCushionQueen]

KDE starts like an app from the maemo app menu. Once in KDE desktop you can run maemo apps from xterm. I've got shortcuts for these with icons on my KDE desktop so that I can launch my favorite maemo apps quickly (Canola2, FBReader, SDict, etc). A few apps like Maemo Mapper don't work well this way, but most do. KDE gives me things that maemo didn't (especially decent PIMS & a doc viewer) so I'm running my 810 pretty much exclusively using KDE as my desktop environment. To go back to maemo from KDE requires you to "logout" so I've just been staying in KDE. It took a bit of tweaking to get it set up just right but it's been well worth the effort IMHO.

[psychoboogie]

cool. that clears things up. Awaiting the install files before I dive in full bore. It looks impressive.

[fr4nk]

Just found a problem... Whenever you install the SUP.tgz as part of the KDE install, it breaks your fonts for microb :(

Anyone found a solution to that? That's the only thing that bugs me. Otherwise, KDE on the N800 is great, thanks penguinbait! :)

http://omploader.org/vOXho

[PinCushionQueen]

Anyone found a solution to that? That's the only thing that bugs me. Otherwise, KDE on the N800 is great, thanks penguinbait! :)


It's not an actual fix per se, but I a really good work around was to just find some .ttf fonts (I ended up using bitstream-vera (https://launchpad.net/ttf-bitstream-vera/main/1.10/+download/ttf-bitstream-vera-1.10.tar.bz2), but any one you like will work).

Once you've got the .tff files on your card, open xterm and "sudo gainroot" -> cp path/to/file.ttf /usr/share/fonts/

Then open microB and in the URL bar type "about:config" (don't be alarmed if this takes a little while to open). Then in the 1st box - Name, type "font.default.x-western" and in the 2nd box -Value, type the name of your chosen font. Then tap 'set preferences'.

There is one catch - for the life of me I couldn't get the 'Value' field to accept a font name with spaces in it - I tried using _ and \ and / for the spaces and nothing worked. So I had to use fonts with file names that were one word, or at least hyphenated.

[penguinbait]

Sorry guys I have been busy, its hard to respond to all the KDE requests, I guess I will have to post it soon...

Anyway, the font issue is caused by a configuration problem, basically some environment settings which are applied, I need to change them to only be applied when KDE is started. So I have to update the SUP.tgz, I also want to update it to have joystick support, but thats another issue.

Anyway thanks for all the comments, Please be patient I have 10+ PM waiting for KDE right now, as with most days, so if I have not reposnded to you yet, please be patient I will send you something soon.

PCQ, I wish I had my n810 to play with, I am jealous!!!!!:D

[psychoboogie]

thx penguinbait, looking forward to the release, sorry u didn't get an n810. I went to nokia shop in nyc. played with it for like an hour to make sure I really needed it. went to buy it and they didn't even have it in stock. Went upstairs talked to nseries guy, he had the number for RCS programmed in his n95, it's around the corner. Called up and they had 1... It's a great machine. you will love it.

[penguinbait]

Anyone looking for KDE please check out here!!!


www.tablethacker.com

[PinCushionQueen]

I did a little tutorial for MMC flashing and KDE installation on the N810 (there are some differences from the N800) over at Brighthand. Mainly, it has links to wiki pages and various forum posts to guide you through the process.

If anyone using an N810 is interested you can find it here: http://forum.brighthand.com/showpost.php?p=1620801&postcount=5

I can do a write up of KDE configuration settings that I've experimentally found to improve usability if anybody is interested. :D

[psychoboogie]

is there any way to determine what programs are running on mmc2? I can't seem to umount that device to get this going...

[psychoboogie]

pincushion any settings tweaks would be great. post them when you can

[free]

is there any way to determine what programs are running on mmc2? I can't seem to umount that device to get this going...

/usr/bin/lsof

LiStOpenFiles

:)

[PinCushionQueen]

is there any way to determine what programs are running on mmc2? I can't seem to umount that device to get this going...

Did you get this fixed psycho? If not, the only thing I can think of is perhaps you've got some file (music, document, image, etc) that another app is still accessing - perhaps an mp3 and your media player is on pause? I deleted everything from my MMC2 prior to even beginning the flashing partition process.

One other idea, perhaps disable the Virtual Memory (swap) in Control Panel - I'm pretty sure that goes to MMC2.

[psychoboogie]

you know what I just set that up yesterday. let me see how it goes.

[psychoboogie]

yeah that works, for the n810

does everything change to mmcblk1?

once this goes in and I hit return
/dev/mmcblk0p1:1,15000,6

I get an invalid argument 1,15000,6

[psychoboogie]

sorry my bad didn't read it, plugging along

[psychoboogie]

pincushion getting no such file for this

# insmod /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/current/ext2.ko
# mount /dev/mmcblk0p2 /media/mmc2

also tried from 2.6.21-omap-1 instead of current no dice

[psychoboogie]

found it...

[PinCushionQueen]

So PenquinBait - a couple of questions...
1) when DO you get your N810? Wish there was something I could do to expedite if for you :) I so love my K810 - you deserve one too!

2) Any idea why the jpgs aren't working for Kolour Paint and for desktop backgrounds? They show up ok in Krita and in Konqueror - but I have to change them to png's for use as backgrounds.

[penguinbait]

So PenquinBait - a couple of questions...
1) when DO you get your N810? Wish there was something I could do to expedite if for you :) I so love my K810 - you deserve one too!

2) Any idea why the jpgs aren't working for Kolour Paint and for desktop backgrounds? They show up ok in Krita and in Konqueror - but I have to change them to png's for use as backgrounds.


I wish I knew when I was going to get one, but thats up to Nokia at this point, I am sure it will come eventually. I bought my 770 in Jan 2006, and my 800 in Jan 2007, so I am still on schedule so far, hopefully I get it soon ;)

Jpg support is an issue and has been sine the first compile of KDE by me. I am sure its something I am not doing properly when building but I have yet to figure it out. Konqueror had no GIF support on original KDE, I fixed that issue, but this jpg one is elusive? Luckily they work in Konqueror, and I changed all the wallpapers to png. I asked around some KDE developers and I am not sure what the problem is. My guess is the linker in scratchbox, but I dont know. I have been working around it, it is a known limitation of my KDE builds at this point.


Also I have been meaning to say it everyone here, if there is some setting you think I should change to make things easier, please let me know and I will consider including it. Also if you have color schemes or anything you can save them and send them to me for inclusion.

[psychoboogie]

I got pretty far, but I think there was a mount problem with the partitions going back reviewing everything.

this step:
# insmod /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/current/ext2.ko
# mount /dev/mmcblk0p2 /media/mmc2

reflashed, and then went through the process again, what's odd is that when setting up the partition the mmc card comes back available even after umount, o so frustrating so many little niggles..

[PinCushionQueen]

I wish I knew when I was going to get one, but thats up to Nokia at this point, I am sure it will come eventually. I bought my 770 in Jan 2006, and my 800 in Jan 2007, so I am still on schedule so far, hopefully I get it soon ;)

Jpg support is an issue and has been sine the first compile of KDE by me. I am sure its something I am not doing properly when building but I have yet to figure it out. Konqueror had no GIF support on original KDE, I fixed that issue, but this jpg one is elusive? Luckily they work in Konqueror, and I changed all the wallpapers to png. I asked around some KDE developers and I am not sure what the problem is. My guess is the linker in scratchbox, but I dont know. I have been working around it, it is a known limitation of my KDE builds at this point.


Also I have been meaning to say it everyone here, if there is some setting you think I should change to make things easier, please let me know and I will consider including it. Also if you have color schemes or anything you can save them and send them to me for inclusion.

Thanks for the information re: jpg issue. At least I know I'm not crazy ;) Making them into png's is not a big deal at all.

As for some setting that would make things easier... I'm not even sure it can be done - but resizing those windows that are still too big for the Nokia screen. As a work around, I've mapped one of my buttons to "move window" so I press the button and then use the stylus to move the window up so I can tap 'OK' or 'Cancel' etc...

That and making the Applications Menu (KDE start button) easier to navigate with the stylus.

I've do got some button/keyboard shortcuts that would make sense to have by default, but then again - the real beauty of using KDE is that every single user can set it up and tweak it to what makes them happy :D

[skibur]

I have just joined the KDE on N800 - OS2008 group. I will see if I can get a youtube video going. Linux Rulez!!! :P

[psychoboogie]

starting the process over. fanoush's site seems to be down, anybody have

http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/initfs_flasher.tgz

thx.

[skibur]

I have initfs_flasher.tgz for N800 - OS2008. Not sure which one you want. :/

[psychoboogie]

yeah os2008, I have n810 but I think it should work.

[PinCushionQueen]

starting the process over. fanoush's site seems to be down, anybody have

http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/initfs_flasher.tgz

thx.

He posted some backup links just this morning get them here (http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=120667&postcount=113)

Also, in your previous post you mentioned some problems with the cloning process. FWIW, I didn't do it manually, instead I used the scripts found in this thread (http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8631). Follow the directions starting with "Cloning the OS..." the scripts make it quite easy.

Afterwards, you'll want to do the following the enable the menu when booting (I don't think it's in the scripts)

# chroot /mnt/initfs cal-tool --set-root-device ask:mmc2
# shutdown -r now

Hopefully, you'll get it up and running today - Good Luck! :D

[psychoboogie]

thanks pincushion wish me luck..

[skibur]

Good Luck! :P

[psychoboogie]

I have one last ? before the clone do I need to repeat this step? had done it prior to flashing then flashed and rebooted

insmod /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/mbcache.ko

insmod /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/ext2.ko

mount /dev/mmcblk0p2 /media/mmc2

[PinCushionQueen]

I don't know why you did that prior to flashing... I didn't - and it wasn't instructed in the Wiki page (http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_easily_boot_from_mmc_card/). And I didn't do it when cloning either - but it's possible that they are included in the scripts that I used (I gave a link in my previous post).

[psychoboogie]

Getting out of space issues.

so I have a 4 gig card, partitioned it a little different than the wiki said, but have done it the original 15000 way and pumping it up to 60000 on first partition, anyway. when I run the cloning script I get out of space issue so I think, I pretty much follow everything verbatim. any comments would be great..

tried the original
# sfdisk /dev/mmcblk0
/dev/mmcblk0p1:1,15000,6
/dev/mmcblk0p2:15001,,
/dev/mmcblk0p3:
/dev/mmcblk0p4:

then

# sfdisk /dev/mmcblk0
/dev/mmcblk0p1:1,60000,6
/dev/mmcblk0p2:60001,,
/dev/mmcblk0p3:
/dev/mmcblk0p4:

both got out of space issues.

this is my full rundown based on everyones input

* reflash
* reformat 4gig drive


become root

add this

Web address: http://eko.one.pl/maemo/

Distribution: mistral
Components: user


and this one


http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php

get become root / wget /

create partitions

# apt-get install e2fsprogs
# umount /media/mmc1
# umount /media/mmc2 (for N800 only!)


# sfdisk /dev/mmcblk0

(note unit says that memory card is available right at this time)

/dev/mmcblk0p1:1,15000,6
/dev/mmcblk0p2:15001,,
/dev/mmcblk0p3:
/dev/mmcblk0p4:

or 4gig
#sfdisk /dev/mmcblk0 -uM

/dev/mmcblk0p1: 0,3300,0C
/dev/mmcblk0p2: ,,,
/dev/mmcblk0p3:
/dev/mmcblk0p4:


format partitions
umount then
# mkdosfs /dev/mmcblk0p1
# shutdown -r now

umount then
# mke2fs /dev/mmcblk0p2
# shutdown -r now


mount partitions

insmod /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/mbcache.ko

insmod /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/ext2.ko

mount /dev/mmcblk0p2 /media/mmc2



download flasher

http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/initfs_flasher.tgz

or here
http://fanoush.webpark.cz/maemo/initfs_flasher.tgz

# cd /home/user/MyDocs/.documents/
# tar zxvf initfs_flasher.tgz
# cd initfs_flasher/
# ./initfs_flash


as user:

mkdir ~/bin
cd ~/bin
wget http://www.nmacleod.com/nokia/bin/nupgrade.sh
wget http://www.nmacleod.com/nokia/bin/tar
chmod +x nupgrade.sh tar

as root

sudo gainroot
cd /home/user/bin
./nupgrade.sh 0
./nupgrade.sh 1
./nupgrade.sh 2
./nupgrade.sh 3
./nupgrade.sh 4
reboot

When the device reboots, choose option #3 "MMC card, partition 2, ext2" to boot from the freshly cloned OS

[skibur]

I didn't do it either. I setup my partitions using Slackware 12.0 - Linux. I used fdisk, sfdisk, mount, umount, and mkdosfs. It was alot easier then doing them on the Tablet IMHO.

[psychoboogie]

yeah I get a no space left on device error about 1/4 way through ./nupgrade.sh 3

so must be some formatting errors I think on the mmc. Just gonna give up for awhile til I get my linux junkie to come by. just now working out.. have tried process like 5 times now..

[pronuke]

well...I got thru the install process for KDE + SUP file. Rebooted. When I click on the KDE icon in the "extras" menu the screen flashes briefly, then goes dark for about 30 seconds. After that the normal desktop returns.

Looks like something is crashing KDE as it loads.

I have an n800/2008OS w/ 2GB internal MMC (1.5 GB on the ext2 partition and .4 GB on the Linux_83 partition), and a 4GB external SD card.

One thing that I don't understand - my "Device Memory" in the File Manager is showing 1.82 GB total size and 1.82 GB in use, while the Internal Memory Card is showing a total size of 1.37 GB with 1.37 GB available. Since both are on the same 2 GB SD card, I don't understand why the combined " total size" is >2 GB.

I'm going to try to delete all unneeded applications and files to free up more space on the boot partition to see if that helps.

Any suggestions?

[pronuke]

The full partition was the problem.

After a few hours of sleep I deleted the tarballs and uninstalled a couple of large applicaitons. I was able to free up 264 MB of the partition. Once I did that, KDE started up beautifully.

I am amazed! Thank you PenguinBait, PinCushionQueen and others for the detailed posts here and elsewhere that guided this newbie through.

Now to explore and play....:D

[pronuke]

Thank you again PenguinBait - I am blown away!!!

If anyone is interested, I combined information from multiple sources and notes from my installation expereince into this document formatted for easy IT viewing:

Run the KDE Desktop on a Nokia N800 (http://www.thisweekinnuclear.com/KDEonN800.html)

Starting from essentially an "out-of-the-box" N800, these instructions describe how to :

1. Partition the internal SD card
2. Enable system boot from internal SD card (dual-booting)
3. Install KDE on internal SD boot partition

Note: This should also work on a Nokia N810

I thought other newbies might find this helpful. Plus, I know I'll be doing it again and having all the steps in one place will save me time.

Peace!

[ElCamino]

Any one have a idea why when I run ./targnu cf - -C /floppy . | ./targnu xvf - -C /opt it comes back and says "Cannot chdir: No such file or Directory ./targnu: Error is not recoverable: extiing now" I have followed the list in creating everything just when I get to this I get this error. How can I locate the right directory? I have only had my N800 for a weeking and half. Thanks.


*I got it to work, what happen is that I left the "o" in opt so now it worked. Thanks everyone.

[ElCamino]

When booting up which one should I choose;
1. MMC Card
2. MMC card, partition 2, ext2

[ElCamino]

Pronuke I have a questioned. I followed your instructions that you posted on your website and was wondering you put
"# mv /home/user/MyDocs/.documents/KDE358.tar.bz2 /KDE358.tar/bz2
# mv /home/user/MyDocs/.documents/KDE358.tar.bz2 /KDE358.tar/bz2" twice is this correct? or is one suppose to be the SUP one? Thanks for your time. I almost got this done just need to install KDE.


I tried # mv /home/user/MyDocs/.documents/KDE358.tar.bz2 /KDE358.tar/bz2 and I get mv: connot rename '/home/user/MyDocs/.documents/KDE358.tar.bz2': No such file or directory. What am I doing wrong anyone. :confused:

[DeeJay_XB]

@pronuke please tell me if i have a 8gb internal mmc card how do i format it? i want to be able to access the rest of the space on internal mmc from the pc like i do when i normal boot my n800.

[godd]

Great job, pronuke!
As an another Linux dummy, great thanks to your contribution!
One question, though -
Isn't it a typo?

Format Partition 1

# umount /media/mmc2 (this step is omitted from other guides)
# mke2fs /dev/mmcblk0p2
# shutdown -r now
(device will SD and Restart)

Shouldn't it be like that-

# mke2fs /dev/mmcblk0p1

[pronuke]

El Camino & godd,

Thanks for the thorough scrub of the instructions. I am working to fix my typos now.

I'll try to answer all I can here:

Post 119: Choose "MMC card, partition 2, ext2" to boot to SD card.
Post 120: You are correct; the lines should be:

# mv /home/user/MyDocs/.documents/KDE358.tar.bz2 /KDE358.tar.bz2
# mv /home/user/MyDocs/.documents/SUP.tar.bz2 /SUP.tar.bz2
(lines above edited to fix typo)

Post 122: You are correct; to format partition 1 use:

mke2fs /dev/mmcblk0p1

[pronuke]

@pronuke please tell me if i have a 8gb internal mmc card how do i format it? i want to be able to access the rest of the space on internal mmc from the pc like i do when i normal boot my n800.

I am NOT an expert on this, so use my advice at your own risk. But heck, what's the worse that can happen, right?!:eek:

Since the OS boots from the second partition, if it was me I would try the following combination to yield ~ 6 GB on the FAT32 partition (for access to files later) and ~2 GB for the boot partition, KDE, applications, etc ...

/dev/mmcblk0p1:1,180000,6 (this is a ~6 GB FAT32 partition)
/dev/mmcblk0p2:180001,, (this is a ~2 GB Linux_83 partition)

(edited this to correct my poor math ~ 2 hrs after original post)

Anyone have expereince with this specific situation?

[ElCamino]

Pronuke any idea why I get a error when I type in "# mv /home/user/MyDocs/.documents/KDE358.tar.bz2 /KDE358.tar/bz2 and I get mv: connot rename '/home/user/MyDocs/.documents/KDE358.tar.bz2': No such file or directory

Thanks for your help.

[drydiggins]

I am NOT an expert on this, so use my advice at your own risk. But heck, what's the worse that can happen, right?!:eek:



1. Back to the Zaurus
2. Begging for an ASUS EEEPC
3. "Yes dear, the Nokia is still working fine... I use it every day, really"

What the heck, the wife is at bellydance class 'til 9 tonite, might as well give this a whirl.

[pronuke]

Pronuke any idea why I get a error when I type in "# mv /home/user/MyDocs/.documents/KDE358.tar.bz2 /KDE358.tar/bz2 and I get mv: connot rename '/home/user/MyDocs/.documents/KDE358.tar.bz2': No such file or directory

My post was all screwed up. I fixed it - go back and take a look at it now. I also fixed the html version. (http://www.thisweekinnuclear.com/KDEonN800.html)

Sorry...my mistake! I hope it didn't cause you too much wasted time! That's what I get for doing too many things at once!

[ElCamino]

ok thanks will try it when I get home. So should it be like this? mv /home/user/MyDocs/.documents/KDE358.tar.bz2 .KDE358.tar/bz2 sorry for all these questions first Nokia N800 and don't know to much about how this works.

[ElCamino]

Pronuke is this correct from your instructions?
# cd /
# /tar-temp/bin/tar jxvf KDE358.tar.bz2 (takes ~30 minutes)
# /tar-temp/bin/tar jxvf SUP.tgz (takes ~15 minutes)

When I type the first one I get a error that says.
/tar-temp/bin/tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
/tar-temp/bin/tar: Child returned status 2
/tar-temp/bin/tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors

anyone know what to do? Yet so close to finishing this up. Thanks again.

Ok I ran this "apt-get install bzip2" and now its loading up. :)

[ElCamino]

Got everything loaded Thanks Pronuke for your help. Is there a way to speed this up. Also is there a way to install Adobe Flash Player I downloaded it but don't know how to install it. Just started to use this N800 1 week and half ago. Thanks.

[anidel]

Pronuke in your instructions you forgot to tell people about bzip2.
They need to download it from the penguinbait website and run it as follows:

cd /
<path where downlaoded>/bzip2 -dc KDE358.tar.bz2 | tar xf -

Moreover with my freshly flashed n800 with OS2008 I was not able to install e2fsprogs.
Double check it. I had to make the partitions using my Linux box.

Also, after the step to unmount MMC2, whenever I try to partition it (by means of sfdisk), the tablet was always detecting and mounting back the MMC.

[unique311]

penguin, what about The Gnome users....can we look forward to The Gnome release?
not really a big fan of The KDE

[Aisu]

E2fsprogs is in the '07 catalog, but I used it on my n810 for partitioning. Installs and works fine.

[skibur]

Got everything loaded Thanks Pronuke for your help. Is there a way to speed this up. Also is there a way to install Adobe Flash Player I downloaded it but don't know how to install it. Just started to use this N800 1 week and half ago. Thanks.

If you mean by speeding the KDE and SUP process, you really don't have to use the 400 mhz Nokia. If you have a Linux box, you can untar it on your SD card. When I decided to join the KDE on the N800/N810 community, I used my Slackware 12.0 Linux box to partition the SD card and untar KDE and SUP packages. It was really fast. You don't have to wait (KDE) 30 + (SUP) 15 = 45 minutes when using your PC. Just a note.

As far as installing Adobe Flash Player, I'm on the same boat as well. I know that if I want Adobe Flash Player on my Slackware, I look for a package. Maybe if we can find a .deb package, we should be able to install in via command line? I'm not sure if it will work, but its worth a try.

Linux RULEZ!!!

[Aisu]

KDE on N810 video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6opEpFa_Eso) :D

[penguinbait]

FYI :D
http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14680&goto=newpost

I thought there was a problem with the fonts in microb? with size, I am starting to think there is no problem with microb. Can someone explain if they have had a problem what it is?

:confused:

[PinCushionQueen]

Pronuke in your instructions you forgot to tell people about bzip2.
They need to download it from the penguinbait website and run it as follows:

cd /
<path where downlaoded>/bzip2 -dc KDE358.tar.bz2 | tar xf -
.

Yeah I posted a very similar fix a while back (post #66). So be sure to take this into account.

Also, I think it's important for N810 users to know that they will have to add a modified bootmenu.conf file to their init_flasher directory prior to flashing or they won't be able to actually boot. You can either make your own Fanoush included some samples in the tarball for the flasher or you can use mine that I've posted here (http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=119646&postcount=65)

[PinCushionQueen]

FYI :D
http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14680&goto=newpost

I thought there was a problem with the fonts in microb? with size, I am starting to think there is no problem with microb. Can someone explain if they have had a problem what it is?

:confused:

I can attest that fonts in microb do infact get messed after installing KDE - more specifically I'm pretty sure it was after install the SUP. When I last flashed I checked the web browser each step along the way and that's when I noticed it b0rken.

Basically, microb just opens with monospaced/courier looking font on all web pages. I was able to work around this by installing some .ttf fonts and changing my about:config.

[penguinbait]

I can attest that fonts in microb do infact get messed after installing KDE - more specifically I'm pretty sure it was after install the SUP. When I last flashed I checked the web browser each step along the way and that's when I noticed it b0rken.

Basically, microb just opens with monospaced/courier looking font on all web pages. I was able to work around this by installing some .ttf fonts and changing my about:config.


I go to webpages and then reflash and they look the same. Can you give me specific sites which show this?

Anyone?


Also 1 question, when you made your backup of your OS, what version of tar did you use? Did you download tar and call it with path?

[PinCushionQueen]

I go to webpages and then reflash and they look the same. Can you give me specific sites which show this?

Anyone?


Also 1 question, when you made your backup of your OS, what version of tar did you use? Did you download tar and call it with path?

My homepage for one shows up with the bad font, it's http://pda.finagle.org The text on the buttons works OK but the text for the links is messed up.

As for when I cloned my OS I used the following steps by Millhouse:

Cloning the Operating System to Internal SD/MMC Card

7. Download and execute the following script and binary
* The following commands will download the cloning script and the GNU tar binary to assist with the cloning process

As user "user"
mkdir ~/bin
cd ~/bin
wget http://www.nmacleod.com/nokia/bin/nupgrade.sh
wget http://www.nmacleod.com/nokia/bin/tar
chmod +x nupgrade.sh tar

As user "root"

* Switch to the root superuser and begin the process of cloning the filesystem to partition two on the Internal memory card. This is achieved in stages to allow you to control progress and check for errors. Pass parameters to the nupgrade.sh script to control progress, as follows
o 0 - Create ext2 filesystem on partition 2 of the Internal memory card
o 1 - Mount partition 2 as /opt
o 2 - Mount rootfs as /floppy
o 3 - Perform cloning process
o 4 - Commit filesystem updates and unmount /floppy and /opt

Code:

sudo gainroot
cd /home/user/bin
./nupgrade.sh 0
./nupgrade.sh 1
./nupgrade.sh 2
./nupgrade.sh 3
./nupgrade.sh 4
reboot


Does that help at all?

I can tell you though that when I had first cloned the OS before any installation of KDE at all - the fonts were working in microb. I specifically checked - that's the only reason I reflashed in the first place.

Now I guess I personally don't mind because I'm using Konqueror 100% of the time - but others might not like it. :)

[penguinbait]

PCQ, I really really appreciate your help, my questions are only to verify the problem, so I can then figure out how to fix it.

I was just curious about the tar, if tar on tablet is used /bin/tar, there are known issues with FONTS.

Reinstalling KDE again to test, god I wish I had two of these

[PinCushionQueen]

PCQ, I really really appreciate your help, my questions are only to verify the problem, so I can then figure out how to fix it.

I was just curious about the tar, if tar on tablet is used /bin/tar, there are known issues with FONTS.

Reinstalling KDE again to test, god I wish I had two of these

Right, I totally understand about the tar thing - I had read about the tablet tar being an issue with fonts too. I should add that just to be sure when I untarred KDE and SUP I used the GNU tar with those too just incase :o

I totally and completely appreciate all you've done - my N810 with KDE installed is hands down the best damn handheld device I've ever owned :D and I've owned 7 (mostly Palms and a couple of Zaurus').

[penguinbait]

Right, I totally understand about the tar thing - I had read about the tablet tar being an issue with fonts too. I should add that just to be sure when I untarred KDE and SUP I used the GNU tar with those too just incase :o

I totally and completely appreciate all you've done - my N810 with KDE installed is hands down the best damn handheld device I've ever owned :D and I've owned 7 (mostly Palms and a couple of Zaurus').


Hoping to join you myself :D

[ElCamino]

Is there a way to make the Bluetooth work with KDE? I usually use the N800 on the road paired with my Blackberry 8830 for insternet. But I don't see where or how I can use the Bluetooth on the N800 using KDE.

[L0cutus]

hi

what i need to compile kde myself on scratchbox ?
i want to port kstars if possible ;-)


thanks !

[PinCushionQueen]

Is there a way to make the Bluetooth work with KDE? I usually use the N800 on the road paired with my Blackberry 8830 for insternet. But I don't see where or how I can use the Bluetooth on the N800 using KDE.

Penquinbait has a shortcut from KDE to Maemo Control Panel in the system tray by default - it the icon that looks like a wrench. If you tap that icon you can then turn on BT from the control panel. Another option is to install switchOnBT and then run that from the command line as root.

For the majority of Maemo apps I've set up shortcuts to them on my KDE desktop. I wish I could get the permissions for a switchOnBT desktop shortcut done right then I could just tap an icon and have it launch for me. Not sure what I'm doing wrong.

[penguinbait]

Penquinbait has a shortcut from KDE to Maemo Control Panel in the system tray by default - it the icon that looks like a wrench. If you tap that icon you can then turn on BT from the control panel. Another option is to install switchOnBT and then run that from the command line as root.

For the majority of Maemo apps I've set up shortcuts to them on my KDE desktop. I wish I could get the permissions for a switchOnBT desktop shortcut done right then I could just tap an icon and have it launch for me. Not sure what I'm doing wrong.



PCQ, I am interested the the shortcuts your making, please feel free to send them to me and I can include them, or make a page to host them, people could just download the shortcuts they want.

[penguinbait]

hi

what i need to compile kde myself on scratchbox ?
i want to port kstars if possible ;-)


thanks !



Kstars has always been included with KDE, its KDE?

But I must say, its probably not the fastest KDE app on the tablet!

[FGol]

Running KDE is a pretty wild capability... thank you penguinbait and everyone else.

Is there something to do screen size settings-wise to be able to prevent some dialogs from being displayed larger than the physical screen? It's tough to configure some settings when the prefs panel is bigger than the screen because the Apply button is south of the border. Most times I can drag the panel above the screen top via the multi-desktop tool but not always. Going to display settings or screen resolution settings fails because it says my x server won't support resizing.

??
Thank you,
Frank

[PinCushionQueen]

Running KDE is a pretty wild capability... thank you penguinbait and everyone else.

Is there something to do screen size settings-wise to be able to prevent some dialogs from being displayed larger than the physical screen? It's tough to configure some settings when the prefs panel is bigger than the screen because the Apply button is south of the border. Most times I can drag the panel above the screen top via the multi-desktop tool but not always. Going to display settings or screen resolution settings fails because it says my x server won't support resizing.

??
Thank you,
Frank

See my post here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14680&page=9 & see post #88 and an alternative in post #92 (sorry something is wrong with hyperlinks on the forums right now) where there's answers to pretty much the same question - it's not an absolute fix (not resizing windows) but I find mine a very acceptable work around :D.

@Penquinbait - what would I send you for my shortcuts would I just copy and send you my *.desktop files? I've never shared a shortcut before ;)

[FGol]

PCQ,

Thank you once again. I had missed Westy's original question when I looked through that thread yesterday.... wow, a lot got added since then!

I like the map the key to window move idea. I had been doing the virtual desktop thing but it can be a drag trying to move a window a tiny bit.

Frank

[penguinbait]

See my post here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14680&page=9 & see post #88 and an alternative in post #92 (sorry something is wrong with hyperlinks on the forums right now) where there's answers to pretty much the same question - it's not an absolute fix (not resizing windows) but I find mine a very acceptable work around :D.

@Penquinbait - what would I send you for my shortcuts would I just copy and send you my *.desktop files? I've never shared a shortcut before ;)


Yes all I need is the desktop file and if you have any icons, but I suspect you used hildons so should only need .desktop files :)


OK, FOR DIALOGS OFF THE SCREEN USE THE PAGER IN THE TASKBAR.

You can drag windows to other desktops, you can also move windows within a desktop. So you can drag the window up on the pager and it will go up on the screen giving you access to the bottom of the window.

[PinCushionQueen]

Yes all I need is the desktop file and if you have any icons, but I suspect you used hildons so should only need .desktop files :)


OK, FOR DIALOGS OFF THE SCREEN USE THE PAGER IN THE TASKBAR.

You can drag windows to other desktops, you can also move windows within a desktop. So you can drag the window up on the pager and it will go up on the screen giving you access to the bottom of the window.

Ok - I'll email you the .desktop files :) I can also instruct people how to make them for themselves, they're really easy to make ;) The hardest part is figuring out what command to use to launch from xterm.

As for use the pager to move windows around - while I appreciate the option, I actually prefer to do it using the button because I only use one desktop and don't even have the pager active in my panel. :o You can also move and/or resize windows by tapping on the little icon in the top left corner of the Title Bar and selecting the appropriate action.

To sum it up... There are many paths that lead to the same destination :) Having KDE allows us to each choose our own path - that's a really good thing :D

[penguinbait]

Ok - I'll email you the .desktop files :) I can also instruct people how to make them for themselves, they're really easy to make ;) The hardest part is figuring out what command to use to launch from xterm.

As for use the pager to move windows around - while I appreciate the option, I actually prefer to do it using the button because I only use one desktop and don't even have the pager active in my panel. :o You can also move and/or resize windows by tapping on the little icon in the top left corner of the Title Bar and selecting the appropriate action.

To sum it up... There are many paths that lead to the same destination :) Having KDE allows us to each choose our own path - that's a really good thing :D This is the true power of KDE on IT

You do realize all the buttons on the tablet were already mapped to KDE uses.

The menu button brings up hildons menus (when in full screen)

The zoom+ and zoom- both work in konq and konsole to increase or decrease font size.

The fullscreen button makes windows fullscreen.

The home button switches desktops, if you had any :)

[albson]

May someone post a procedure on how to install KDE on N810 ?

[dubwise]

May someone try searching?

Searching the forums for KDE gets me 194 hits.
This is the first one.

http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14680

[Zebee]

Once I have reflashed 2008 do I can get to my 2008 partition, I will re-try KDE.

Is there a way to change the colours? It comes up a rather funky purple and green on my screen and I'd rather the more restrained stuff I use on the desktop. kcontrol didn't appear to work so I couldn't use that.

Zebee

[penguinbait]

Once I have reflashed 2008 do I can get to my 2008 partition, I will re-try KDE.

Is there a way to change the colours? It comes up a rather funky purple and green on my screen and I'd rather the more restrained stuff I use on the desktop. kcontrol didn't appear to work so I couldn't use that.

Zebee


You can change everything, open contolpanel

[penguinbait]

May someone post a procedure on how to install KDE on N810 ?

http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14680

[pablo]

Just got KDE installed a few hours ago and have been busy messing with it, thanks a ton PB!

Also ...


http://fernandomoreira.free.fr/n800-kde/snapshot1.png


What KDE theme is this? I have been sifting through trash on kde-look.org for hours looking for something simple and clean like this with no luck thus far.

*edit* also has anyone figured out how to at least emulate a right click in KDE on the tablets?

[PinCushionQueen]

Just got KDE installed a few hours ago and have been busy messing with it, thanks a ton PB!

Also ...



What KDE theme is this? I have been sifting through trash on kde-look.org for hours looking for something simple and clean like this with no luck thus far.

*edit* also has anyone figured out how to at least emulate a right click in KDE on the tablets?

Go into Control Center -> Appearance -> Colors -> Lots of simple Color Schemes or just like on a desktop - you can change individual colors as you wish. FWIW - I believe that theme is called simply "System".

As for Right Click - nope sorry no way to make that happen yet. However, you can perform all of the Right Click functions via alternative routes - or in a few placed you can force a Left click to behave like a Right click. For example: you can force a Left click (tap with stylus) on the desktop to behave like a Right click and bring up a menu. I did this for a while but found I accidently touched the desktop fairly often and the menu popping up was annoying to me. There's nothing in that menu that can't be initiated by some other means.

You guys really should take some time and just go through Control Center and read the Handbook for Control Center - the amount of customization is fabulous.

Also - any N810 owners should use Control Center -> Regional & Accessibility -> Accessibility -> Modifier Keys -> Check "Use Sticky Keys" and "Lock Sticky Keys". This will allow your Fn & Shift keys to work like they do in Maemo (ie: Tap Fn then tap the 2nd button instead of needing to tap both at the same time). While you're in Regional & Accessibility check out the Keyboard Shortcuts section too. There you can map any combination of keyboard shortcuts you like - for instance I've mapped Shift+F4 (which is actually the Menu key) to Close a window if pressed at the same time. You can also make application specific keyboard shortcuts - for example when I'm in KOrganizer, Ctrl +E will bring up the New Event dialog. You get the idea :D

Ok sorry for the ramblings...

[pablo]

The one thing I haven't yet figured out how to do without right clicking is adding/editing/deleting applets/quicklaunch from the panel. Any idea on that?

[PinCushionQueen]

If you tap on the left side of section of the panel that holds the item you want to edit, you will see a little white criss-cross verticle line with a tiny arrow at the top. Tap on that arrow and menu will pop up that allows you to edit the panel. It can be tricky to tap the arrow, so be patient if it takes a few tries ;)

[sungrove]

I'm quite amazed and delighted with this KDE program. I've been trying to get aquainted with it all day today. I don't seem to have the font problem with mine which I wish I could shed some light on why. The only thing I can think of is that my install went well- no glitches. And I did reboot so that's not why.
Anyway, I do have a very frustrating problem with it. I've been trying to configure Kmail. It goes fine until one of the dialogue boxes is too large so that I can't see the bottom of the screen to click the Ok button. I know. I've been reading this whole thread and I see the solutions to this. But those solutions don't seem to work with this particular box. So,to set up an email account, first you establish the identity including the name and email address. Then you click the account tab. A small easy to deal with box opens where you establish what kind of email account you want like pop or Imap. Then you are confronted with an apparently impossible dialogue box. I've looked at all the options that I could find anyway. I tried assigning this box to a second desk top so I could move it around in the four little desk top sliders at the tool bar. I've tried resizing the box. The problem seems to be that even though I seem to be opening the menu system at the top corner of this particular box, the settings then extend to the parent box rather than this box. The box takes up the whole page top to bottom. So is it just me and my stupidity or is this a problem for you guys too?

EDIT: Well ,I guess I do have a small font issue. Pretty much it's limited to the top edge of small g's. They kind of look like y's that way. But I think this is a tiny trade off for the KDE application installation since this glitch, at least for me, is easy to ignore.

Thanks,
Neil

PS- seems like we need a new forum just for this KDE stuff.

[PinCushionQueen]

I've just seen the same behavior in Kalendar if you try to move the kind of secondary window you're talking about using the Window Pager in the panel. However, I can move using a button that I assigned to Move- Window in the keyboard shortcuts secion of control center. You re-assign any button you want. I've assigned my menu button (N810) to Move so now I press it and then use the stylus to move any window I want. I've haven't met a window yet that this didn't work on including email. :)

[sungrove]

I've just seen the same behavior in Kalendar if you try to move the kind of secondary window you're talking about using the Window Pager in the panel. However, I can move using a button that I assigned to Move- Window in the keyboard shortcuts secion of control center. You re-assign any button you want. I've assigned my menu button (N810) to Move so now I press it and then use the stylus to move any window I want. I've haven't met a window yet that this didn't work on including email. :)

I'm not a Linux user, so I wouldn't have any idea how to do this. But maybe the N800, which is what I was talking about above, could be mapped out so that the upper left hard button meant for scrolling side to side and up and down could be used similarly to what you are doing here. I need to be able to move this particular dialogue box or I won't be able to use my Gmail account in kmail. Anyone who tries to configure their email account in Kmail is going to run into this problem on an n800. There may also be other secondary windows that we will have this problem with as well.

Neil

[PinCushionQueen]

I'm not a Linux user, so I wouldn't have any idea how to do this. But maybe the N800, which is what I was talking about above, could be mapped out so that the upper left hard button meant for scrolling side to side and up and down could be used similarly to what you are doing here. I need to be able to move this particular dialogue box or I won't be able to use my Gmail account in kmail. Anyone who tries to configure their email account in Kmail is going to run into this problem on an n800. There may also be other secondary windows that we will have this problem with as well.

Neil

Ok... It's quite simple - it's no different than remapping using Window or Mac-

Open up the KDE "Start Menu" -> Control Center (this is like Windows Control Panel) -> Regional & Accessibility -> Keyboard Shortcuts -> You'll see a window that has 3 columns = Action; Shortcut; Alternate Shortcut -> Scroll down the list until you see the one that says "Move Window" -> tap it so that it's highlighted -> tap the button next to Custom that is just below the window -> a small pop-up window will appear -> Here you just press the button you want to assign to the task - KDE will show the value of the button (ie: up, down F4, F5, Shift etc); you can also set it up so that you press 2 buttons at the same time - this allows you to keep the original function of the individual buttons when pressed by themselves.

The Alternate shortcut is handy if you use a BlueTooth keyboard - you can assign shortcuts for it as well.

While you're here in Control Center - you can change your color scheme, font size, wallpaper and so much more. :D

[llahiru]

Thanks a lot! It rocks! anyone tried to test firefox on it?
[http://picasaweb.google.com/llahiru/MyN800WithKDE]

-Lahiru.

[sungrove]

Apparantly this process of making the bottom of some dialogue windows visible is something that experienced users of KDE find easy but dispite PCQ's helpful post above I can not seem to get the settings set correctly to be able to see the bottoms sometimes. When I press the resize option in the window menu for example, the menu just closes rather than giving me options. I love all the obvious features in this program, but I'm finding it pretty useless because of this problem sorry to say. But I don't see much response to my last post so I guess I'm the only one having this problem . Again I've seen the suggestions earlier in this thread. I'm just saying that the methods don't seem to work with all the windows. The problem with this particular window is that it refuses to go above the top of the screen. I can drag it down or side to side, but no way will it go up above the screen top. Even if I was able to set up a short cut to move the wndow I bet it would just stop at the top anyway. So how are you guys dealing with this? Maybe by just resizing a pop up dialogue window smaller then moving it up? Like I said, I don't get this option.

Neil

[sungrove]

Did you assign a button in keyboard shortcuts? If not, I can't help you. :(

If you did then while the window that's giving you problems is open - press that button then using your stylus - tap near the top of the screen or tap and hold and move the stylus around and watch the window move around. I guarentee that it will work - I do it every single day. You're not the only one having the problem.

If you're not getting the button to registered then maybe try another button.

This has absolutely nothing to do with being a previous user of KDE - in fact I remembered this trick from my old Windows days when I had a funky all-in-one computer/monitor with an odd shaped screen. I've never, ever had to do this in KDE before.

PCQ,
I really appreciate that you are trying to help me. It sounds like you have a more managable situation with the n810. I did try making a link to use the hard up down button on my n800. I clicked the setting in control center and then touched the up button. It seemed to activate it since I got a dialogue message that asked me about a conflict with another setting. Then when I tried to use it it didn't do anything. But I didn't try holding that and simultaniously moving the window with the stylis. We'll see. I'm not going to delete this software. Like I said earlier, apparently you all are getting it to work. I will sooner or later.

Neil

[pronuke]

... in your instructions you forgot to tell people about bzip2.

They need to download it from the penguinbait website and run it as follows:

cd /
<path where downlaoded>/bzip2 -dc KDE358.tar.bz2 | tar xf -

Moreover with my freshly flashed n800 with OS2008 I was not able to install e2fsprogs.
Double check it. I had to make the partitions using my Linux box.

Also, after the step to unmount MMC2, whenever I try to partition it (by means of sfdisk), the tablet was always detecting and mounting back the MMC.

Thanks! I added this step to get bzip2 loaded: (http://www.thisweekinnuclear.com/KDEonN800.html)

# apt-get install bzip

I didn't have the trouble you describe with e2fsprogs and have not been able to reproduce it. When I have time I'll start from scratch again and see what happens.

I also had trouble with the new linux partition auto mounting, but only after rebooting. That's why I included the steps to unmount after reboots when necessary. After I added those steps I had no trouble. It's interesting that your partition auto mounted even before you rebooted (if I read your post correctly).

[penguinbait]

pronuke, I added a link to your page on tablethacker.com

http://tablethacker.com/kde.html

Hope thats cool ;)


Nice work!

[dan]

Penguinbait, Pronuke,

Great work Penguinbate on koffice Nice work with instructions Pronuke. I'm getting my n800 with os2008 ready for Koffice. I need some guidance before I can proceed with installing Koffice.
I just setup USB Host with external drives. Now I'm working on getting os2008 on mmc card. I just successfully used Fanoush's flasher. I got the boot menu prompt asking me to choose boot path. I chose flash, everything loads smoothly. I checked application manager for 'wget and e2fsprogs' and they show as installed. I checked that virtual memory was off. I go into xterm type in commands for unmount and I get message below. Any ideas or workarounds. Two weeks go was the first time I ever touched linux so guide me as a novice if you can. Thanks, Dan

[penguinbait]

Penguinbait, Pronuke,

Great work Penguinbate on koffice Nice work with instructions Pronuke. I'm getting my n800 with os2008 ready for Koffice. I need some guidance before I can proceed with installing Koffice.
I just setup USB Host with external drives. Now I'm working on getting os2008 on mmc card. I just successfully used Fanoush's flasher. I got the boot menu prompt asking me to choose boot path. I chose flash, everything loads smoothly. I checked application manager for 'wget and e2fsprogs' and they show as installed. I checked that virtual memory was off. I go into xterm type in commands for unmount and I get message below. Any ideas or workarounds. Two weeks go was the first time I ever touched linux so guide me as a novice if you can. Thanks, Dan




unmount is not a command

umount is what you want

[dan]

Penguinbait,

Don't know the terminology.
I'm just following instructions for getting partition setup. I been reading online here and in other forums on the web and can't seem to get past this unmount issue. If you've encountered this hurdle before and know how to get over it I'd appreciate it or if you know where to look for possible solution that would be good to.
Thanks, Dan

[penguinbait]

Penguinbait,

Don't know the terminology.
I'm just following instructions for getting partition setup. I been reading online here and in other forums on the web and can't seem to get past this unmount issue. If you've encountered this hurdle before and know how to get over it I'd appreciate it or if you know where to look for possible solution that would be good to.
Thanks, Dan

If the instructions say unmount, its a mistype

umount NOT unmount

[petergunn]

Is it safe just to uninstall the deb KDE via Application Manager before reinstalling using Pronuke's instructions for booting from MMC?

[penguinbait]

Is it safe just to uninstall the deb KDE via Application Manager before reinstalling using Pronuke's instructions for booting from MMC?


If everything is installed correctly, then yes, just remove kdesup, kdemmc and local in that order

[dan]

Penguinbait,

Thanks, its 'umount' not 'unmount' but still similiar error message, "umount/media/mmc2". Any ideas.
Thanks,

dan

[penguinbait]

Penguinbait,

Thanks, its 'umount' not 'unmount' but still similiar error message, "umount/media/mmc2". Any ideas.
Thanks,

dan

similar? hmmm?

[dan]

Penguinbaitt,

Below is the screen shot of the output.

Dan

[penguinbait]

Penguinbaitt,

Below is the screen shot of the output.

Dan

NOT umount/media/mmc2

YES umount /media/mmc2

NOTICE THE SPACE YOU MISSED AFTER UMOUNT ;)

[james415]

Penguinbait,

Thanks, its 'umount' not 'unmount' but still similiar error message, "umount/media/mmc2". Any ideas.
Thanks,

dan

Please show a screen shot or an EXACT copy of the screen typed out. It will make it much easier to diagnose. It is almost impossible for you to have accidentally removed the umount binary.

[dan]

Penguinbait,

My mistake. I missed the space. I'm working on the n800 screen.

Thanks, Can't wait to put up your Koffice!

P.S. Thanks James415

[dan]

Penguinbait,

edit: someone helping me.
I've got a 16gb internal and 16gb external card. I want to dedicate about 7gb in the internal for the system and the rest for memory. I've read Milhouse's examples and others but I'm so comfused by math(I'm dyslexic, numbers get reversed) can you help me with figuring out the numbering for my percentages?
Thanks,
Dan

[penguinbait]

Penguinbait,

edit: someone helping me.
I've got a 16gb internal and 16gb external card. I want to dedicate about 7gb in the internal for the system and the rest for memory. I've read Milhouse's examples and others but I'm so comfused by math(I'm dyslexic, numbers get reversed) can you help me with figuring out the numbering for my percentages?
Thanks,
Dan

You are really better off posting this in Milhouse's thread. I am not familiar with his process.

There is a deb install process which does not require partitioning which may be easier for you, but I dont have a 16GB card and all the numbers (cyclinders/sectors) are differ by manufacturer.

[Greyghost]

J
What KDE theme is this?

I think it is called "Atlas Green' I found it when playing around in the 'appearances' section of the control panel or whatever it is called. I even tweaked some of the colors and created my own theme.

I can't post again without commenting on just how amazing KDE is on my N810! Agreed with the poster who called it a 'dancing bear' but having danced with a few bears, notably those of the 'ms x.0' variety and this at least works! Of course it is slow in many of the apps that require a lot of resources, but it works and so far, with only a single freeze (admittedly I had a few windows open=).

I like it so far becasue I just figured out how to access not only the content on my N810 but even how use a couple of the applications on the N810 *in* KDE (MediaPlayer and Images)

Also, I can access all my content on other disks (well, some other discs) using usb! Immediately after installing KDE I had usb host 'problem' that proved to be all a bad dream...erm, that is, I caused it by deleting a file. It may not prove to be the best way to use the IT, but for now, KDE has my attention! Thanks again Penguinbait for demonstrating the power of our little 'toy'.

PSsst. Post your 'donate here' button again;)

[penguinbait]

Hey thanks, FYI, I will be posting some updates in the near future to toggle the usb host mode, I will also include cdrom and joystick support. I also want to get a consensus from everybody on which settings to change the defaults on. I am thinking of starting a KDE settings thread, if nobody beats me to it :D


---> CLICK HERE TO DONATE <--- (http://www.tablethacker.com/kde.html)


Oh I cant wait to get my 810, I am dying here :confused:

[ct2000]

penguinbait see my post HERE (http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14991) with regards to a proposal for dedicated area/forum/wiki/blog for KDE development on the IT- ITKDE.COM

[djashjones]

how do we right click?

[mardibloke]

If anyone is interested, I combined information from multiple sources and notes from my installation expereince into this document formatted for easy IT viewing:

Run the KDE Desktop on a Nokia N800 (http://www.thisweekinnuclear.com/KDEonN800.html)



Great guide, got KDE installed for me - thanks

I PM'ed you feedback on some minor typos

[dan]

Penguinbait,

Do you know if kde conflicts with USB Host mode using osso status bar?
I'm dual booting and I run USB Host from internal boot and not through dual mode
because of known conflict. If I put kde in dual mode section and keep USB Host
mode will they coexist? I've seen several conflicts between the two apps
but no one addressing an answer tto this issue. I'm wondering if my idea would
work. I'm traveling and I can't easily reflash or reinstall. Thanks, Dan

[penguinbait]

Penguinbait,

Do you know if kde conflicts with USB Host mode using osso status bar?
I'm dual booting and I run USB Host from internal boot and not through dual mode
because of known conflict. If I put kde in dual mode section and keep USB Host
mode will they coexist? I've seen several conflicts between the two apps
but no one addressing an answer tto this issue. I'm wondering if my idea would
work. I'm traveling and I can't easily reflash or reinstall. Thanks, Dan



There is no usb issues, thats like a urban legend...;)

new version has host mode switch on taskbar

pm me for a link

[Greyghost]

There is no usb issues, thats like a urban legend...;)

Sorry, PB, I'm the guilty party for creating this legend, I'm afraid, and I'd like to lay it to rest. Any usb 'issues' brought up in this thread were of my own making and should properly be ignored:p

[dan]

I'm getting the following message when I use Pronukes
directions to install kde on a dual boot setup. I'm not xterm
proficient so please walk me through. Thanks, Dan


/home/user # mv /home/user/MyDocs/.documents/KDE358v2.tar.bz2/KDE358v2.tar.bz2
BusyBox v1.6.1 (2007-09-27 18:08:59 EEST) multi-call binary

Usage: mv [OPTION]... SOURCE DEST
or: mv [OPTION]... SOURCE... DIRECTORY

/home/user #

[dubwise]

You're missing the space after the first bz2.

[dan]

Thanks Dubwise.
I missed that one.
Can you look at this new message and give additional advise.
Thanks, Dan


/home/user # mv /home/user/MyDocs/.documents/KDE358v2.tar.bz2 /KDE358v2.tar.bz2
/home/user # mv /home/user/MyDocs/.documents/SUPv2.tgz /SUPv2.tgz
/home/user # cd /
/ # /tar-temp/bin/tar jxvf KDE358v2.tar.bz2
/bin/sh: /tar-temp/bin/tar: not found
/ #

[dubwise]

/bin/sh: /tar-temp/bin/tar: not found


The step where you were supposed to put the gnu version of tar
into the tar-temp directory didn't work. It's not there.

It's Step 6 in Pronuke's guide.

You're supposed to download the .deb with a web browser or whatever
and save it in your Documents folder, and then use dpkg to open it.
You may have just clicked on it and handed it to Application manager.
Not sure what that would do.

[dan]

I did steps 1 through 4 of Pronukes instructions then step 7 of Milhouse
directions for dual boot, because Milhouse automated the rest of the process.
The dual boot works well. If I now go and do step 6 of Pronuke will
I have to do any additional steps, or is their an easier way of doing this? Also
would this affect my dual boot setup? I'm just a novice at linux and xterm.
Any additional suggestions, explaination and guidance would be
greatly appreciated. Thanks, Dan

[dubwise]

I did steps 1 through 4 of Pronukes instructions then step 7 of Milhouse
directions for dual boot, because Milhouse automated the rest of the process.

I didn't use Milhouse, for exactly that reason.
I wanted to see what the commands were.

The dual boot works well. If I now go and do step 6 of Pronuke will
I have to do any additional steps, or is their an easier way of doing this? Also
would this affect my dual boot setup? I'm just a novice at linux and xterm.
Any additional suggestions, explaination and guidance would be
greatly appreciated. Thanks, Dan

Dunno, sorry. I'm totally new here, too. I got my N810 a few weeks ago,
and had never touched Linux before.

If you've got dual boot working, I'd just do Step 6 from Pronuke,
and then try again to untar the two files.
Note that Pronuke has a typo. The .tgz has to get zxvf, not jxvf.

[dan]

Thanks, kind of funny our situation. That why I have been posting for newbies
the best directions for getting things done. Milhouse step 7 really makes it
mistake proof. I'll try step 6 and keep you posted I just wish I knew what all these
letters mean. In regards to the 'z' versus 'j' Penguinbait says kde should be
'j' and sup should be 'z'. What do you think?
Dan

[dubwise]

In regards to the 'z' versus 'j' Penguinbait says kde should be
'j' and sup should be 'z'. What do you think?
Dan

Correct. That's the same thing I said, the .tgz has to get zxvf.
I leave the two files in a directory on my external card,
and I'm on the third beta version of Penguinbait's second KDE build.
I renumbered his V2 SUPs as SUP20, SUP21, and SUP22,
so the actual last four lines I'm using are:
cd /
/tar-temp/bin/targnu jxvf /media/mmc1/installs/KDE358v2.tar.bz2
/tar-temp/bin/targnu zxvf /media/mmc1/installs/SUPv22.tgz
shutdown -r now

Pronuke had jxvf in his SUP line.

You have to read this stuff over and over, and look at how the names change,
and figure out what it means on your system,
especially if you're going to mix and match instructions.

[dan]

We are on the same page. I went into redpill mode to see what was wrong with
tar install. It lists about 20 conflicts. Who the hell created this nightmare. I could
not even have dual boot if I wanted to install tar. Any idas there has to be a
work around. Bunanson was onto something when he
said that as a linux user he finds this setup intolerable.
Can I stall tar through apt-get?
Thanks, Dan

[penguinbait]

We are on the same page. I went into redpill mode to see what was wrong with
tar install. It lists about 20 conflicts. Who the hell created this nightmare. I could
not even have dual boot if I wanted to install tar. Any idas there has to be a
work around. Bunanson was onto something when he
said that as a linux user he finds this setup intolerable.
Can I stall tar through apt-get?
Thanks, Dan


http://penguinbait.com/tar.gz
http://penguinbait.com/bzip2.gz

[dubwise]

We are on the same page. I went into redpill mode to see what was wrong with
tar install.

If you read Pronuke's step 6 again, he doesn't ask you to do a regular install.
Just download the tar .deb to your documents directory and use dpkg to set it up.
You have to read all the words, and do exactly what it says.

[dan]

I feel dumb and I'm not. Can you help to understand where my errors or omissions are.
I downloaded all files to their appropriate directories.
Below is what I'm getting,

/home/user # cd /home/user/MyDocs/.documents/
/home/user/MyDocs/.documents # mkdir /tar-temp/
mkdir: cannot create directory '/tar-temp/': File exists/home/user/MyDocs/.documents # dpkg -x tar*.deb /tar-temp/
/home/user/MyDocs/.documents # cd /
/ # /tar-temp/bin/targnu jxvf /media/mmc2/installs/KDE358v2.tar.bz2
/bin/sh: /tar-temp/bin/targnu: not found
/ #

[dubwise]

You're still getting bit by mixing and matching directions.
You need Pronuke's Step 8, where he copies the fresh version of tar to a new file as targnu.
Or you can probably use the last command you've got there, but replace targnu with tar.
I like renaming the second version of tar and calling it explicitly, myself.

[dan]

Dubwise,

I got kde up and running from dual boot.
Problem was corrupt kde file.
It took 5 tries to download the 308mb file.
Looks awesome.
Thanks for all your help and Penguinbait help and work.
Dan

[dubwise]

Nicely done. Have fun with it.

[PinCushionQueen]

PB, Hi, can you help? Everytime and everywhere I click with my stylus in KDE desktop, it gives me a menu bar with a list: Create New, Run Command ...

I believe my stylus is set for right-click. How can I set it to left-click?

Thank you very much.

There are several ways you could have done this.

1) you have PB right-click toggle script and you've mapped it to a button - in which case you should just press the button(s) again and it will toggle between left and right click.

2) You've set your "Mouse Button Actions" for "Left Button" to Desktop Menu. Go to Control Center->Desktop-> Behavior->scroll down to Mouse Button Actions -> Make Left button = No Action -> now you're fixed.

3) You've installed PB new version of KDE3.5.8v2 to your dual boot and not realized that F5 (aka: Home key found just above the back/escape key) is mapped by default to Click-toggle. Solution would be same as #1 - press the button again.

[jllchao]

When I was trying to update my KDE (n800, os2008, on mmc2 (internal 4 gb)) and following the instruction: (as a root user)
cd /
tar jxvf KDE358.tar.bz2

I got "invalid option......". My tar is BusyBox v1.6.1 (2007-09-27). When I checked the option of my default tar, I found out that it doesn't have the j option. Later on I used /usr/bin/tar (this version actually is an older version, GNU 1.5) and tried to do the same thing, but I missed typing something, so it didn't get through with installing KDE356.tar.bz2. When I corrected the typing and did /usr/bin/tar again, I got something says: use bzip2recover. I couldn't find where I could down that executable for n800.

Pleas help.

James Chao

[gentux]

you need tar from penguinbaits page or that one from apt (apt-get -d install tar, fetch it and unpack it manually IIRC).

[penguinbait]

Actually you need tar and bzip2

you also need to be sure that the tarball is the correct size?

KDE358.tar.bz2

You should check out KDE358v2.tar.bz2 since your installing to boot from SD anyway.

Look at www.tablethacker.com for a link to tar and bzip2 and new version of KDE

[jllchao]

Thank you for all the help you guys have given to me.

After I got penguinbait's tar and tried again, I still got corrupted file warning. I think I found the problem. For some reason, when I downloaded the KDE358v2.tar.bz2 from the website www.tablethacker.com, I couldn't get the whole file (whether I downloaded to WinXP Pro or directly to n800). The size of the file should be 316121 bytes, but I only got part of the file; sometimes it's 250KD, sometimes 240KB....).

I'll try to download it again.

By the way, I was unable to "apt-get -d install tar" (reinstall the tar). I just used it this way (root user) /home/user/tar jxvf /media/mmc1/Download/Kde/KDE358v2.tar.bz2

Thank you guys.

-=-=-= Update 2/1/2008
I used the menu button to select tool/download the file, it tool a long time (1 hr or 3 hrs?) to get it done. I used tar jtvf option to check the bz2 file and made sure it's ok (it took a long time to finish checking). I finally installed the bz2 file and the SUP file (about 50 min to 1 hr to finish tar-ing). My Kde v2 is running now. I have a lot to learn about this new version. First of all, I have to find out where the virtual keyboard is. On the Kde v1, the virtual keyboard is around handy. The KDE on N800 is really a masterpiece. Now I can catch up with you guys on enjoying the KDE V2.

James Chao

[pronuke]

I finally had a chance to update my "Step-by-Step Newbie Instructions" for loading KDE on a n800.

Thanks everyone who provided feedback!

Here's the link:

http://thisweekinnuclear.com/KDEonN800.html

[multi]

ah there you are !
(your page has been very helpful)

:)

Finally ...KDE running nicely !

:D
Thanks to everyone here.....
especially Penguinbait

[linbox]

Did anybody make a ckecksum md5sum file of "KDE358v2.tar.bz2" so that after downloading it could be verified? May be it could be add to the download list. I guess a lot of people - including myself don't know if it was downloaded correctly -I'm now on my 4th trial. Keep up the good work

thanks

[linbox]

I finaly got it and it works here is the md5sum for the file
to compare it type
# md5sum KDE358v2.tar.bz2
and this should be displayed
f6bc9fd93b695fb02dab14b6a140b90c KDE358v2.tar.bz2

guenter

[pschaff]

Here's the link:

http://thisweekinnuclear.com/KDEonN800.html

12. Move the KDE and SUP files to root < / >. In my first attempt I "copied" vs. "moved" the tarballs - big mistake. That leaves behind huge tarballs in "Documents" that take up valuable SD card space.

# mv /home/user/MyDocs/.documents/KDE358.tar.bz2 /KDE358.tar.bz2
# mv /home/user/MyDocs/.documents/SUP.tgz /SUP.tgz

It is not necessary to move the tarballs as shown in step 12. Just add "-C /" to the end each of the tar commands in step 13 of the instructions and execute tar in the download directory, or provide tar with the full path to the tarballs.

Optional - to use GNU tar by default, put it in /usr/local/bin and edit ~/.profile to prepend /usr/local/bin to the path. My path for root looks like (or looked like before the KDE install changed it - warning to KDE testers):

PATH=/root/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11
export PATH


Thanks for the instructions.

Phil

[spidy]

Is there way to hack Ubuntu Mobile for N810 consumption?

Or maybe KDE 4.0.1?

[macer]

Just got KDE + CUPS + Koffice working on my n800. Thanks a lot. Printing and apps all seem to work. I guess I can ditch the laptop at school and just put my n800 and su8w (and my cell phone i suppose) in my pockets. :) Unfortunately in Diablo the deb pkg didn't install. It would start and it would use up all the space but give me an error in the end and not function. Don't know exactly what went wrong but the bz2 and sup tgz worked fine. The printing worked great too. Now this n800 has a new place in my heart considering I can do all the things I was hoping to do on it when I first bought it almost 8 months ago.

There is one problem though. I know it's a small screen and fitting things onto it at what most would consider a low res is a difficult thing to do but certain apps (like kopete) have buttons in option menus (like the OK button) that are outside the view of the screen and I tried whatever I could to try to correct it. I think in a little while I am just going to ssh into it and see if I can forward the programs, change the options, and exit in order to get it all of it correct. This seems like the only available option (even though I haven't tested it yet).

Thanks a ton for the project. I can't wait to not have to lug a laptop around. Even though laptops aren't that big... why bother when you can carry a laptop in your pockets?

[macer]

This is working absolutely great (with the exception of the ssl support for Kopete). I have successfully used KDE and koffice apps along with printing to my networked laser printer with CUPS. Thank you so much for this. It is absolutely amazing. Unfortunately I haven't been able to ditch my hildon install. Konqueror is not that bad of a browser but isn't supported by a lot of sites that are important (like banking sites). It would be nice if everything was more bare and pkgs could be stored somewhere to install in case you didn't want a huge install. I have an 8G SD for this, but there are a lot of things I wouldn't have normally installed.

I think it was a great job with the input buttons. The fact that you can still lock and zoom full screen for windows etc is awesome.

Thank you very much for this release. I wanted to use my N800 with my SU8W instead of using my laptop for school because I can keep it in my pockets. Don't know if anybody has ever been in this situation but it is nice to have that emergency term paper machine. Heh.

Anyways. Thanks again. I found a new love for my N800. The lack of printing or a valid office type applications were a major turn off. Since I can go in and out of hildon pretty easily it is a perfect solution.

If you could post what steps you took to cross compile the source that would be nice PB.

[littlejohn]

PB:
Just completed installation of KDE and it is truly breathtaking!

Some questions though:
I'd like to install wireless tools (for iwlist) and have tried using KPackage - it does ask for my root password which I believe is still at the default (rootme) and it does not accept this as valid? Starting KPackage from the root terminal the installation indicates that it fails due to unlisted dependices. Is KPackage usable?
I'd also like to install CUPS - how is this best done?

Thanks again for such a beautiful package!
littlejohn

[penguinbait]

PB:
Just completed installation of KDE and it is truly breathtaking!

Some questions though:
I'd like to install wireless tools (for iwlist) and have tried using KPackage - it does ask for my root password which I believe is still at the default (rootme) and it does not accept this as valid? Starting KPackage from the root terminal the installation indicates that it fails due to unlisted dependices. Is KPackage usable?
I'd also like to install CUPS - how is this best done?

Thanks again for such a beautiful package!
littlejohn

kpackage should not have any dep problems, but you can run the maemo package manager from the taskbar shortcut. I will look into the kpackage problem, could be some missing lib? its not really recommended to use anyway, I would stick with maemo package manager.

As for CUPS its already installed, I believe it localhost:631 from a browser, or konqueror has a bookmark....