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technut

11-14-2007, 02:58 AM

technut

11-14-2007, 02:59 AM

Edit as of Nov.26:
Nokia has just released an OFFICIAL beta OS2008 for N800. For download links and instructions, see the news here (http://www.internettablettalk.com/2007/11/26/nokia-releses-os2008-beta-for-the-nokia-n800-internet-tablet/). The procedure that is detailed in this thread is no longer needed.

Pre-Nov.26
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NOTE: You cannot perform the update from Windows at this time. You must use Linux or MacOSX.

If you need a copy of Linux for PC there are many distributions and LiveCDs available on the 'net [1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Linux_LiveDistros) [2] (http://www.livecdlist.com/?pick=Linux_x86). A LiveCD allows you to run Linux from a bootable CD without installing it to your computer. I personally recommend using Ubuntu 7.10 Desktop Edition (http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download). Although it is a large download (700 MB), it is very complete and user-friendly, and suitable for most Linux newbies.

The OS2008 install instructions that were previously linked here (http://www.cnet.com/surveillance-state/8301-13739_1-9816300-46.html) are now out of date.

Here is a more detailed and updated (Nov 23) revision:

From your Linux or MacOSX web browser, bring up this post. That way you can click on the links and copy/paste as you follow along with these instructions.

Go to the N810 software download page (http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php).

Enter the Product ID (WLAN#) for an N810 device. For the Product ID you can use any number between 001d6e9c0000 and 001d6e9c9999. (credit to TPC) Then on the next page click "I accept".

Download the latest firmware file
RX-44_2008SE_1.2007.42-19_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin (http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php?f=RX-44_2008SE_1.2007.42-19_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin)
and save it to a directory that you can easily find later.

Go to the Flasher utility page (http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php) and click "I accept".

Download the latest firmware-flashing software for Linux (flasher-3.0 (http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php?f=flasher-3.0)) or MacOSX (flasher-2.0.macosx (http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php?f=flasher-2.0.macosx)) and save it in the same directory as the firmware file.

Start a Linux or MacOSX terminal session window and change directory to the location of the two files you just downloaded.

The commands in the next instructions will all be entered at the terminal session command prompt. These instructions are for Linux users, but the MacOSX instructions are very similar - Just substitute the Mac flasher program name in place of the Linux one.

Enter (or copy/paste)
chmod a+x ./flasher-3.0
to make the flasher file be executable.

Enter (or copy/paste)
sudo ./flasher-3.0 -u -F RX-44_2008SE_1.2007.42-19_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin
to unpack the components. If prompted, enter the password for the Linux/MacOSX system.

Turn on your N800. Unplug the AC adapter (if you were using it) and check that you have a good battery level before you proceed. Leave the AC adapter unplugged.

Switch off your N800. Don't simply lock it... it must be powered off.

Using the USB cable that came with your N800, connect it to the computer.

Hold down the HOME button on your N800 (the one with a house icon) until you complete this next step. Now also press and hold the POWER button to turn the N800 on, but do not release the HOME button just yet. Keep holding the HOME button until your N800 shows the white NOKIA screen with a small USB icon in the top right corner of the N800 screen.

If your N800 booted normally (to the home screen), then turn it off and repeat the last step until you get the correct boot screen with the USB icon.

Now enter (or copy/paste) the following three commands in the terminal window to transfer the firmware to the N800:
sudo ./flasher-3.0 -f -k zImage
sudo ./flasher-3.0 -f -n initfs.jffs2
sudo ./flasher-3.0 -f -r rootfs.jffs2

When all three transfers are completed, enter (or copy/paste)
sudo ./flasher-3.0 -R
to reboot the N800.

You can now disconnect the USB cable. In a few moments the N800 should start to boot up normally. You will then be prompted to go through the initial setup procedures as if it were a new tablet.

Congratulations, you are running OS2008!

If you followed older instructions which included the command
sudo ./flasher-3.0 --enable-rd-mode
then your N800 may still be in "R&D mode". It is not strictly necessary, but if you want to turn off R&D mode you'll need to use the flasher program one more time with the command:
sudo ./flasher-3.0 --disable-rd-mode

Credit for the original ideas/info/work in the other thread goes to fanoush, aflegg, anidel, N770-Freak, hns, cairn, BOFH, jmk, and also to several others who have already installed it and reported on their experiences. Good job all!

chilko

11-14-2007, 03:08 AM

here is it - http://www.cnet.com/8301-13739_1-9816300-46.html

Lithorus

11-14-2007, 04:13 AM

Thanks, works like a charm :)

Puck

11-14-2007, 04:44 AM

MAC address has been removed ...

No one else can post the number can they? Someone must have a record of it.

Rocketman

11-14-2007, 04:46 AM

Thoughtfix has pulled the dmesg log from his site, which contained the MAC address that was being used to enter Nokia's firmware download site. He is (understandably) pretty steamed about it, as he is afraid this may damage his relationship with Nokia. N810 mac addresses can widely be seen in pictures of the device online, so it is a bit annoying that the CNET article chose to reference one accidentally posted (as part of a log posted to satisfy *nix gurus about the N810 hardware) by a prominent and well respected community member.

unique311

11-14-2007, 04:49 AM

MAC address has been removed ...

No one else can post the number can they? Someone must have a record of it.

read the how-to from cnet man....

chilko

11-14-2007, 04:49 AM

MAC address has been removed ...

No one else can post the number can they? Someone must have a record of it.

look here

http://www.engadget.com/photos/nokia-n810-hands-on/443977/

nat

11-14-2007, 05:02 AM

That's 001D6E9BB693.

geneven

11-14-2007, 05:05 AM

Pretty funny, and it helps Nokia rather than hurts. I'll wait till the actual release, though...

genome4hire

11-14-2007, 05:08 AM

I can't put a serial number in my blog post (hosted on cnet's blog network) for legal reasons. However, I've updated the blog post to point to the engadget photo.

Thanks for the link.

technut

11-14-2007, 05:15 AM

Hey genome4hire, thanks for providing a great set of instructions and links in your CNet blog post!

Jupex

11-14-2007, 05:21 AM

Well In theory these kind of betas could hurt nokia. Someone could do damage to their tablet, or the software itself could be unfinished. I bet Nokia doesn't want ppl to use unfinished stuff. Good reputation to the tablet if it crashes. How likely Joe Average is gonna buy the NIT if he sees it crash?

But then again ... most nokia phones are some sort of betas anyhow, so what the big deal. The new OS works like a charm :)

belder

11-14-2007, 05:22 AM

From the eyes of a new N800 owner this is the reason why "open source" and communities like this are so valuable. I suspect Nokia is dancing in the office after reading your very positive preliminary reviews of OS2008. This tells them that the N810 users should be very happy with their new IT. I will wait for the official release because I don't have your linux skills and having a working Skype is important to me (among many reasons).

What is important is knowing that this community and Nokia aren't leaving the N800 users behind. Thank you for a great and entertaining evening last night. Just watching you work and share was a lesson in what the "open source" community is all about.

BOFH

11-14-2007, 05:28 AM

MAC address has been removed ...

No one else can post the number can they? Someone must have a record of it.

Please for respect to thoughtfix use a different MAC (plus Nokia is likely to block this serial);

Originally Posted by BOFH View Post
Use GIMP to enhance the images of the N810 back panel that is floating around the internet.......

BOFH

11-14-2007, 05:31 AM

That's 001D6E9BB693.
or �n›¶“�

BOFH

11-14-2007, 05:34 AM

I can't put a serial number in my blog post (hosted on cnet's blog network) for legal reasons. However, I've updated the blog post to point to the engadget photo.

Thanks for the link.

I think it's funny I sent Engadget a link to the Pic I posted of my N800 running 2008 (about 30 sec's after I flashed it) and they have not run any stories about it...., ;)

http://digg.com/gadgets/Hacked_2008_OS_running_on_N800

TPC

11-14-2007, 05:38 AM

Since this post is full of dupes from the other huge thread that no one will have the time to look trought to find the right info, I might as well post my info here too.

How to get a valid mac adress to put for the validation.

Pick a random number between 126409750144 and 126409842879. (those numbers are in decimal, not hexadecimal). Then google for "convert <number_you_picked> to hexadecimal" without the quotes.Take the hexadecimal result (it will say 0x<some_string> use the <some_string> part) and use it for the validation.

edit: you have to add two zeroes to the beginning of it too, see post below.

It looks like N810 mac adresses are all in this range, so if you pick a number from here it will work, but the number won't be from anyones specific device, so no one should get in trouble.

Took about 5 minutes to find this range trought some trial and error, maybe they should consider getting a more secure validation system :P

TPC

11-14-2007, 05:45 AM

Also you have to add two zeros (that is 00) to the beginning of the number you get from google to get it to be the correct lengt.

technut

11-14-2007, 05:55 AM

For Windows users, I found a few Linux distros that say they run from inside Windows. That means you can avoid creating and booting a LiveCD or having to partition your drive for a full install.

I haven't tried any of these, they are FYI only.

Cooperative Linux (http://www.colinux.org/)
Damn Small Linux (http://www.tuxs.org/dslwin.htm)
Topologilinux (http://topologi-linux.sourceforge.net/)
Pendrivelinux (http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/09/19/portable-qemu-persistent-pendrivelinux/)

If you successfully use something like this to flash your N800, please let us know.

anidel

11-14-2007, 06:18 AM

I kind of suspect that the Maemo folks are not so happy about this leakage.
I for one start feeling sorry for downloading the firmware (I used a different method than looking for a MAC address) ahead of time.
I don't know what legal issues there may be inside Nokia, but if they delayed the update for the N800 to December there MUST be a reason (either "logical" or "commercial").
And we all went against this. This is a statement for a fact.

I don't feel sorry for Nokia by itself, I feel sorry for the Maemo team and I hope this leakage doesn't hurt the relationship they are building with the open source community (us) and, more important, I hope it doesn't hurt the "view" that a huge commercial company like Nokia has about the open source (and that brought us this mostly open-sourced device).

But, indeed, they should be already prepared for this things to happen, but I still feel some kind of "sorryness" and I can't stop it.

And yes, I am still running the OS2008 on my N800.

Waiting for a reaction from the Maemo team, I haven't seen anything yet.

Kozzi

11-14-2007, 06:26 AM

iancumihai

11-14-2007, 06:38 AM

I for one, i can wait until this "hack" is accepted as "not hurting" maemo/nokia ...

Though can not guarantee for my fingers to stay put ... and google
a valid MAC :)

meirm

11-14-2007, 07:37 AM

i heard that skype wont install in it.
also there are some dependencies problems with python.
The map program rocks.
gizmo works.

evanjfraser

11-14-2007, 07:40 AM

N770-Freak

11-14-2007, 07:43 AM

One issue with using the wayfinder map program on the N800 is that there isn't enough storage to download any maps over about 100MB in size as it uses the internal memory. And I can't see anyway to tell it to use any other storage. Unless knows a way to clone OS2008 to an SD card I suppose?
I downloaded 250MB of maps. The map application automatically installed all files to one of my sdhc cards. Perhaps you have not enough free space on your SD card?

zeez

11-14-2007, 07:46 AM

I downloaded 250MB of maps. The map application automatically installed all files to one of my sdhc cards

Same here....

evanjfraser

11-14-2007, 07:49 AM

Heh, my problem is that it "installed" itsself onto my 128MB card in the internal slot, my external slot is a 8GB SDHC.

I removed the 128MB and moved the 8GB into place and now It seems to be downloading the UK maps fine.

Thanks for the help:)

Rebski

11-14-2007, 07:55 AM

Wow, I am gobsmacked by all of this. And just when I thought the forum was becoming boring.

I am all set to go now, I have the flasher and the .bin just need to investigate live Linux cd's - I use Vista (spit).

sevo

11-14-2007, 08:18 AM

I kind of suspect that the Maemo folks are not so happy about this leakage.

Unlikely. Many software and device vendors have even actively created similar leakages in the past. For example, Nokia themselves are effectively spreading cell phone firmware from a UK only site, in spite of a official support-center-only policy in other regions. After all, having the software taken rather than giving it away has all the advantages of a public test, without requiring the support effort.

In any case, they could and would have used better methods if they would have had to protect their firmware - requiring a device ID will probably be done to prevent clueless users from sueing for damages after they toast their device with unsuitable firmware, and to gather statistical data on the number of actively maintained devices.

Sevo

DingerX

11-14-2007, 08:48 AM

First, ThoughtFix: stop whining. Yes, you'll see that the tech websites that do reviews will blur over or otherwise obfuscate serial numbers, and you probably should have done so, as should every other site that had that information out there. But, no, this is not a super-secure "product-activation" scheme that you broke.

As for the rest of you: you were told 2008 was not available for the n800. You were required to give an 810 serial number to download it. You installed it using third-party tools. So you willfully represented yourselves as n810 owners to Nokia when downloading the software, and did everything possible so that Nokia could deny responsibility and refuse support if something bad happened. This is not a "beta" of the n800 version. Nokia would be required to support that.

So I say, "cool! Let me know what you find out!" If you break something, you're SOL. From the Nokia perspective, this is the best of both worlds: they get beta feedback if they want it, without support issues.

As for why there's a delay, my guess would be less along the lines of "give the N180 time to shine" than "because the same QA people are doing V&V on both machines".

BOFH

11-14-2007, 08:57 AM

One issue with using the wayfinder map program on the N800 is that there isn't enough storage to download any maps over about 100MB in size as it uses the internal memory. And I can't see anyway to tell it to use any other storage. Unless knows a way to clone OS2008 to an SD card I suppose?

Or link (ln -s) the maps folder onto a folder a big SD card.

*/ Edit ; It automatically creates a maps folder on /media/mmc2/, with is the 2GB drive on the N810 I think.... */

torx

11-14-2007, 08:57 AM

Holy THANK YOU JESUS..

*Runs to grab N800*

traveller604

11-14-2007, 09:03 AM

Hmm.. nah I wait for the official release. There's nothing wrong with Os 2007 as it is :)

BOFH

11-14-2007, 09:06 AM

Plus there is no EULA on the http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php page so it "void" in the same was as a EULA on the inside of a shrink rapped box is "void".... ;)

unique311

11-14-2007, 09:07 AM

first garnet vm, now os2008 on the n800.
pretty, pretty,, pretty good.

sachin007

11-14-2007, 09:09 AM

I downloaded ubuntu 7.10 and burnt a disk. Then i ran the disk and installed(not in the true sense) ubuntu using install ubuntu option. since wifi wont work immediatly i used a ethernet cable to download both the 0s2008 bin file and the 3.0 flasher for x86. now go to applications and open xterm and follow the instructions on the cnet site....http://www.cnet.com/surveillance-state/8301-13739_1-9816300-46.html?tag=head

Just one thing extra.
After opening do the following

cd Desktop
chmod a+x ./flasher-3.0
./flasher-3.0 -u -F RX-44_2008SE_1.2007.42-18_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin
after unpacking

sudo ./flasher-3.0 --enable-rd-mode
sudo ./flasher-3.0 -k zImage -f
sudo ./flasher-3.0 -n initfs.jffs2 -f
sudo ./flasher-3.0 -r rootfs.jffs2 -f -R

And that is it you are done.
I am a linux noob and i assure you tat it is a lot easier than it looks.

And dont worry about bricking it... just follow the instructions and you will hvae os2008.

tzeta

11-14-2007, 09:25 AM

I haven't try OS2008 with my N800 but...

I was reading User's guide of N810 and found out that Clear device... feature will remove all your data from internal non-removable memory card from N810 and I think this means removable-internal card for N800 users. So be careful out there if your going to use N810-OS2008 in your N800 because this feature may remove all your data from internal memory card :cool:

I think this feature will work differently with official OS2008 release for N800 or I really hope so ;)

jmk

11-14-2007, 09:32 AM

sachin007

11-14-2007, 09:34 AM

Yeah . my card is still the same. IInfact the maps downloaded directly to my internal memory card. I dont know if this is autiomatic because my external 4gig card was almost full. SO i think it decides to download the maps to any space which the 500 mb maps can fit.

jhoff80

11-14-2007, 09:52 AM

Has anyone else had an issue where if you lock the tablet, you can't unlock it? Ie, it won't let you press the center button to unlock the screen and buttons?

I know that using this is unsupported, I just wanted to see if it was only me.

Also, count me as someone who doesn't like that the 'stylus-mode' view for the applications/web/contacts menus isn't available anymore, no matter if you use the stylus or not its always in the 'thumb-mode'. Using the stylus was nice for when I was scrolling through large lists of things, since more could be shown on the screen.

Mara

11-14-2007, 09:58 AM

Has anyone else had an issue where if you lock the tablet, you can't unlock it? Ie, it won't let you press the center button to unlock the screen and buttons?

This did happen to me once few weeks back... I had then little bit older firmware... apparently the problem is still not fixed?

tzeta

11-14-2007, 10:09 AM

Didn't remove any data from my internal 4GB memorycard when i flashed n800.

I wasn't talking about flashing.

I talked about this feature:

<open control panel>
clip from UG:
Clear device data
To clear all data from the device, select 'menu' > Tools >
Clear device.... This function removes all data from the
internal non-removable memory card in your Nokia N810
Internet Tablet.

I'm not suggest you to try this one :)

jhoff80

11-14-2007, 10:48 AM

This did happen to me once few weeks back... I had then little bit older firmware... apparently the problem is still not fixed?

Yeah, it doesn't seem to be yet.

zerojay

11-14-2007, 11:46 AM

I had that same problem though somewhat rarely on IT2007. Haven't had it on IT2008.

namtastic

11-14-2007, 12:01 PM

This may have been already said, but...:

For a community that *demanded* that Nokia release a "hacker edition" of IT2007 for the Nokia 770s, it's a bit ridiculous that they can't officially get a sneak preview release of the real IT2008 into all developers hands, and not just the womworld folk via early hardware.

Even with all the Leopard nonsense that went around with Mac developers not having the release build to test on, they still had pre-GM builds of the actual OS to install -- and not just target to in Xcode.

Not to mention, the N810s are officially in the distribution channel now, so if they are *really* going to release the upgrade at the same time they go on sale...well, honestly I don't see why the extra wait is necessary.

It's just another bump in Nokia getting into the computer (i.e., not mobile) business, but I suppose by the next tablet release they'll finally have figured out how to do this right. :)

zeez

11-14-2007, 12:03 PM

...and includes Skype video support.

Engadget seem to know more... or is just not well informed... http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/14/nokia-n810-firmware-leaks-runs-on-n800/

anidel

11-14-2007, 12:07 PM

There is no Skype at all for OS2008 right now, how could it even think to support video :)

The fact, however, that is not yet ready (skype), may be because they wanted to add video support too. Let's hope.

traveller604

11-14-2007, 12:12 PM

SO how is the battery life with OS 2008? Is it worse, as good as before, or perhaps even better?

Mara

11-14-2007, 12:14 PM

SO how is the battery life with OS 2008? Is it worse, as good as before, or perhaps even better?

My experience is that it is WAY better, especially the standby time.

anidel

11-14-2007, 12:15 PM

Well I can't say as I've been using it a lot since yesterday and today, but I needed to charge it only once :)

gammer

11-14-2007, 12:43 PM

phatsua

11-14-2007, 12:47 PM

how do I exit R&D mode ?

unique311

11-14-2007, 01:01 PM

gizmo does video chat.
so skype needs to make something happen on the next release.

barry99705

11-14-2007, 01:09 PM

how do I exit R&D mode ?

Search for quit R&D mode. It's been said a few times on this board.

phatsua

11-14-2007, 01:14 PM

thx guys, new OS is a blast btw :p

traveller604

11-14-2007, 01:19 PM

Uh now I suddenly really want to install it.. nay I wait. I'm a model citizen ;)

technut

11-14-2007, 01:55 PM

Rather than having to use Google for a decimal/hexadecimal conversion, I updated the instructions post (http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=94459&postcount=2) with a simplified method:

- For step 2 in the instructions, any number between 001d6e9c0000 to 001d6e9cffff should work. Pick any random 4 digits (between 0-9 and a-f hex) as the last 4 digits. (credit to TPC)

It narrows the range found by TPC but makes picking a number a bit easier.

jmancine

11-14-2007, 02:03 PM

Anyone else having a problem after flashing os2008 where the tablet enters a boot loop?

I reflashed back to 2007 and it works fine, but when I flash 2008 it just shows the white Nokia screen and then reboots.

hordeman

11-14-2007, 02:07 PM

Wow --- I only caught wind of this release last night. I did not know it was a beta-leak. I'm going to stand-by until the official release is out.

It's just not worth it to me.

I'll leave it up to the rest of you guys to report how it's all working out! :)

zs_ftp

11-14-2007, 02:10 PM

Update my N800 to OS2008.
Dont install Skype and Canola :(((

traveller604

11-14-2007, 02:17 PM

Must resist temptation..

daverod

11-14-2007, 02:33 PM

Update my N800 to OS2008.
Dont install Skype and Canola :(((

Don't install them together? Or don't install either at all?

zerojay

11-14-2007, 03:09 PM

You can't install them. Neither one of them have been ported yet.

Reggie

11-14-2007, 03:18 PM

Guys, please be careful.

A word of caution... We were told that USB transfer has a critical bug on the N810 prototype that we have. We were told to use wireless transfer (BT) and the miniSD slot to transfer files in and out. While I can see that the firmware version you all have downloaded is slightly higher that what we have on our N810, it might still have the bug.

I just hope, if it the bug is still there, that the USB connection would work well enough that you can all still re-flash your units to the latest firmware when it comes out.

For those who haven't upgraded their N800, my advice is just wait for the final firmware.

xxM5xx

11-14-2007, 03:29 PM

The temptation is high to flash today but it would be wise to wait until the real deal comes out.

Mara

11-14-2007, 03:43 PM

My understanding is that the bug affects only USB1.1 connection somehow... USB2.0 should be fine?

Greyghost

11-14-2007, 04:05 PM

Must resist temptation..

Ok, I've been reading this all morning and I just cannot resist. I've got the ubuntu cd and it worked so seamlessly that if I had the cable with me here at work I'd be underway.

As it is, I'm headed home to do this thing, hoping that in the intervening hour nothing will happen to deter me. Or, better, would be an 'official' release by Nokia and we can all get on with it! Please?

BOFH

11-14-2007, 04:08 PM

Engadget seem to know more... or is just not well informed... http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/14/nokia-n810-firmware-leaks-runs-on-n800/

Who the hell is "Kozzi", I submitted a link to a pic of my N800 running 2008 a few minutes after I flashed.... :/ AHHHhhhh....

traveller604

11-14-2007, 04:30 PM

Ok, I've been reading this all morning and I just cannot resist. I've got the ubuntu cd and it worked so seamlessly that if I had the cable with me here at work I'd be underway.

As it is, I'm headed home to do this thing, hoping that in the intervening hour nothing will happen to deter me. Or, better, would be an 'official' release by Nokia and we can all get on with it! Please?

I couldn't resist. :(

I'm glad I didn't brick it. :)

It sure feels sweet! :D

Now I wonder where all the apps I need are, stuff like Mplayer, Evince, FBreader.. yes I know I'll use the search.

USB bug? Sounds scary :eek:

There are some things that aren't really bugs but annoy me anyways. One of them being that when you move files in filemanager you end up to the folder to which you're moving the files to.. why? It's the same with OS 2007 thou so. I make a list of things some day :)

e. One more thing I wonder, can I use my N95 as a GPS unit for the N800? :)

Milhouse

11-14-2007, 04:38 PM

e. One more thing I wonder, can I use my N95 as a GPS unit for the N800? :)

No, as the N95 doesn't support the Bluetooth SPP profile (Serial Port Profile). Nokia obviously don't want the N95 to cannibalise sales of their GPS module... :)

ScottRD

11-14-2007, 04:40 PM

I couldn't resist. :(

I'm glad I didn't brick it. :)

It sure feels sweet! :D

Now I wonder where all the apps I need are, stuff like Mplayer, Evince, FBreader.. yes I know I'll use the search.

USB bug? Sounds scary :eek:

There are some things that aren't really bugs but annoy me anyways. One of them being that when you move files in filemanager you end up to the folder to which you're moving the files to.. why? It's the same with OS 2007 thou so. I make a list of things some day :)

e. One more thing I wonder, can I use my N95 as a GPS unit for the N800? :)

To answer your question about where all the apps are, there aren't many that have been ported and I have found very few instances where the 2007 version will work on 2008. That's why, after using 2008 for a while I went back to 2007.

I doubt you can use your N95 as an external GPS device for your N800 but there's nothing stopping you from trying and letting everyone know. :)

ScottRD

traveller604

11-14-2007, 05:04 PM

It seems that there is no Evince for 2008.. perhaps I'll try to port it myself. But not now.. studies and bed is all that remains for tonight.

edit. Oh yeah and it sure feels like they've put a lot of work and love to this OS so big respect for the maemo team :)

Rocketman

11-14-2007, 05:18 PM

Also, count me as someone who doesn't like that the 'stylus-mode' view for the applications/web/contacts menus isn't available anymore, no matter if you use the stylus or not its always in the 'thumb-mode'. Using the stylus was nice for when I was scrolling through large lists of things, since more could be shown on the screen.

I too am very disappointed that OS 2008 only seems to support a "thumbs mode" for browsing through the menus. I find the thumbs mode much less efficient for quickly browsing through the application lists, as you can often only see a small subset of apps on any particular menu and have to scroll to reveal the rest. I also never had any trouble using my fingers in place of the stylus in stylus mode. For all the talk about the glitzy new OS 2008 interface (oooh, transparency....oooh, movable applets) the basic outline of the gui hasn't really changed and the few changes I have spotted are not necessarily for the better.

johsua

11-14-2007, 07:23 PM

Rebski

11-14-2007, 07:28 PM

Well it fixed the broken video chat, not much else seems to be installable, Evince, Quiver, FBReader, OMWeather, UKMP, Python to name a few.

I made a backup prior to reflash and restored immediately after. My WiFi settings, emails, Contacts, were kept though it lost my bookmarks.

It is obviously early days yet. Perhaps it was a mistake to restore my data?

xxM5xx

11-14-2007, 10:27 PM

i heard that skype wont install in it.
also there are some dependencies problems with python.
The map program rocks.
gizmo works.

Anyone willing to state whether Gizmo VOIP on the N800 with this OS2008 today will allow a Bluetooth headset. I ask because Nokia stated the OS2008 was going to have this capability ( bluetooth voip ).

I understand Skype isn't ready for OS2008 yet. That may be one of the many reasons we were meant to wait until December......does this mean the N810 won't work with Skype until it is flashed by it's new owner in December? This is somewhat rhetorical, but the N810 units are filling the distribution channels now, but Skype isn't working on the N810 operating system yet?

If anyone can answer the BlueTooth/OS2008/Gizmo Project functionality question, that would be great. Thanks.

jhoff80

11-14-2007, 10:49 PM

I already said. Bluetooth headsets will connect, and the tablet thinks its routing all audio to it, so the internal speaker will be muted. However, you won't hear any audio on your headset yet. This is both with Gizmo Project and the 'internet call' program which now supports SIP.

xxM5xx

11-14-2007, 10:55 PM

jhoff80: Thanks for the update, I hadn't seen where you said this earlier. Regards.

Kozzi

11-14-2007, 11:28 PM

Who the hell is "Kozzi", I submitted a link to a pic of my N800 running 2008 a few minutes after I flashed.... :/ AHHHhhhh....

It's me, after seeing cnet link, I though it would be nice to inform engadget about this too, sorry

Greyghost

11-14-2007, 11:41 PM

I am a linux noob and i assure you tat it is a lot easier than it looks.

Thanks Sachin, for the timely reassurance. Total noob that I am, I was also able to do this.

Thanks also Nokia and the Maemo team. Sorry I couldn't wait:rolleyes: I know there are still things to be worked out, but I'm delighted to see how it is going and really look forward to rebuilding my N800. This new OS is quite cool!

EIPI

11-14-2007, 11:51 PM

I am able to pair my i-blue gps receiver. I don't have good sat. reception in my ground floor cement apartment, but presumably it'll work. After 20 minutes with 2008 - I'm sold... Maybe I should check out the browser...

edit: just tried it with gmail. I can actually use the thumb board to write an email w/out it totally screwing up! This is great...

I just tried to pair my iBlue unit as well. It gave me 'Pairing Failed. Authentication Failed." Any ideas on what I am doing wrong. Thanks in advance.

linuxrebel

11-15-2007, 01:02 AM

Yowza.. finally got in, and can post! (long story involves waving chicken bones at midnight under a full moon etc.) OK the question was asked about recommending a small live Linux that can be used to load an image to a n800. http://damnsmalllinux.org/ is what I would recommend. Less than 50MB download and it's got all you need to read NTSF file systems etc. However if you need to write, you would be best to have a small dos partition (fat32 type) as ntfs write is not easily supported.

bachviet

11-15-2007, 01:13 AM

I'm a noob with Linux and the N800. I tried to flash the firmware in Ubuntu 7.10 and it didn't work. This is the error I got at the end:

USB device found found at bus 001, device address 003
Found device RX-34, hardware revision 1301
NOLO version 1.1.6
Version of 'sw-release': <no version>
Sending and flashing rootfs image (128256 kB)...
100% (128256 of 128256 kB, avg. 7057 kB/s)
Finishing flashing... Sending request 0x52 failed!
Unable to get error strings: Connection timed out

Anybody has any idea of how to fix this? Thanks.

linuxrebel

11-15-2007, 01:24 AM

Jupex,

here is where two worlds colide. Linux users are used to the Beta cycles and the 'ooooops' syndrome of bleeding edge beta's I've had to face the problem of fixing a beta that won't boot until I put in the patch that I need to boot to put in. (In the old days this was solved by dual linux installs or slackware CD 2, now it's a live CD)

In the end I understand your point, and I understand how Linux people feel. We live by the credo release early, release often. IMHO if I load beta software and it bricks.. oops. If I load final and it causes me to lose several SD cards, I'm a tad peeved to say the least.

So the quick grab for those who are Linux heads, well, riding the edge is part of the fun.

johsua

11-15-2007, 03:26 AM

The iblue pair code is 0000.

anidel

11-15-2007, 04:05 AM

xxM5xx

11-15-2007, 04:14 AM

I confirm this.

Thanks. I'm sure it will be fixed soon.

mikemorrison

11-15-2007, 06:31 AM

Well it fixed the broken video chat, not much else seems to be installable, Evince, Quiver, FBReader, OMWeather, UKMP, Python to name a few.

quiver is installable:

http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/quiver/

traveller604

11-15-2007, 07:14 AM

As is FBReader..

http://www.fbreader.org/maemo/maemo4.php

EIPI

11-15-2007, 08:50 AM

The iblue pair code is 0000.

Thank you. Works now!

Can anyone confirm if A2DP is supported on OS2008, now that people have flashed their N800s. I am awaiting my BT Headset, so I cannot confirm this until it arrives (tomorrow, according to UPS). Many thanks.

Jupex

11-15-2007, 09:10 AM

Well I red somewhere that there is a2db support, sort of, but it is disabled atm.

technut

11-15-2007, 11:29 PM

Added to post #2 in this thread:

-- For step 6 in the instructions, the first flash command after you connect the N800,
sudo ./flasher-3.0 --enable-rd-mode is NOT needed.
It puts the N800 into "R&D mode", but that is not necessary for this procedure. Just skip that one.

If you have already issued that flash command, then when you complete the steps your N800 will still be in "R&D mode". It is not strictly necessary, but if you want to turn off R&D mode you'll need to use the flasher program one more time with the command:
sudo ./flasher-3.0 --disable-rd-mode

norsk

11-16-2007, 05:02 PM

Does anybody else have the problem of having a reboot loop after they upgrade the firmware to 2008 on n800?

I flashed according to instructions and the new firmware, both in rd-mode and without, just boots the green progress bar to completion and then reboots.
I reverted back to os 2007 several times.

The upgrade proceeds 100 % successful, all the promts are successful.
Upload 100% complete, no interruptions.

The only way I could boot into os 2008 was by passing the following arguments- flasher-3.0 --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset -f
After that the os 2008 boots into the set-up screen, but my touch-screen and buttons are not responsive, so I cannot bypass the set-up screen.

I flashed with the latest flasher from a debian unstable distro with the 2.6.15 kernel. Usb is working fine, usb transfer is fine, thinkpad 600.

technut

11-16-2007, 06:53 PM

No problem here... maybe your firmware image is corrupted? I'd try downloading and unpacking it again, see if that helps.

norsk

11-16-2007, 07:46 PM

Thanks for the suggestion

I was under the impression that there is a .bin integrity check by the installer before flashing... I will try it again tomorrow, 4 hours of "game time " is enough for one day.

YoDude

11-16-2007, 07:50 PM

jdr93

11-16-2007, 08:56 PM

worked on installing the 2008 os for about three hours last night, then another 3 hours this morning, when i was a little more awake. used knoppix 5.1 run from a cd. copied the two files to the tmp directory (ram disk) and chmod(ed) flasher-3.0 then expanded RX-44. (did not see that mro was actually mr0(zero) for far too long!). the first three sudo commands went well, except that knoppix kept reporting there was no suitable usb connection. i figured out that after the n800 was in rd mode turning off the n800 (by removing and reinserting the battery) then pressing the start button (only) would allow knoppix to see the usb and perform the action called for in the sudo command. i had to start the command, turn off the tablet, reinsert the battery, then press the start button. which was ok, stupid, but ok. except that the final command (rootfs.jffs2) kept failing due to a time out problem. knoppix would report it had loaded the new os but also report an ??52 failure of some sort, due to running out of time. it sort of seemed to be loading the firmware, printing out what percentage it had reached and how fast the transfer was proceeding, then 'zip' it would report it had finished. i finally managed to figure out that turning off the tablet (removing battery) putting it back in, then running the sudo command and immediately pressing the start button would allow enough time for the os to be copied over. i don't know if the usb glitch is a problem the tablet has or knoppix has, but it definitely contributed to a frustrating series of experiences.

so that's done, i like the new os much more than the previous n800 version and am mucho grateful to our friends at nokia (huzzah!), but i have a couple questions. has anyone gotten new 4.0 gizmo to load? does the navicore software for the n800 load? and gpe calendar?

if yes, what was your process? thank you.

john

Rebski

11-16-2007, 09:28 PM

It sounds as if either you were very unlucky or some of us were very lucky, that was quite an effort but glad you got there in the end.

I can respond to your questions:

Gizmo: While I believe that it should work and that it is intended to, I am unable to install it.

Navicore: AFAIK This will not be supported in OS2008, instead we have to use the Wayfinder apps. There is a long detailed thread on this topic in existence.

GPE Calender: This is not yet compatible.

There is another detailed thread on apps that do work on OS2008 which is worth checking out.

technut

11-16-2007, 09:51 PM

knoppix kept reporting there was no suitable usb connection. i figured out that after the n800 was in rd mode turning off the n800 (by removing and reinserting the battery) then pressing the start button (only) would allow knoppix to see the usb and perform the action called for in the sudo command.That sounds like a Knoppix/USB issue. I used Ubuntu and didn't run into any trouble at all. Glad you finally got it installed though!

YoDude

11-16-2007, 10:33 PM

Ubuntu for me on a USB 1 first reported no USB device found, then the next line it found it and ran. (This was after each flasher command.)

Being new to Ubuntu I assumed it was just polling until it found the right config, then executed.

Perhaps some of these problems are with USB 1.x.

Other than that hic-up, everything went well.

virx14

11-16-2007, 11:39 PM

.............
i have a couple questions. has anyone gotten new 4.0 gizmo to load? does the navicore software for the n800 load? and gpe calendar?

if yes, what was your process? thank you.

john

Going to communications -> gizmo will install gizmo. However I did not find any video capabilities in gizmo even though launcher shortcut says "Gizmo (Video & IM).

As someone already answered, Navicore is called Wayfinder now, it works fine as far as free functionality is concerned, routing is not yet available.

GPE Calendar is not ported yet AFAIK.

technut

11-16-2007, 11:42 PM

Going to communications -> gizmo will install gizmo.Doesn't seem to be working at the moment. It prompted to add a new repository, that worked fine, then it downloaded the app (about 5 MB) and that completed. But the install aborts about 1/3 of the way through. Hopefully they update the package soon to get it working again.

vabgeo

11-17-2007, 12:10 AM

Going to communications -> gizmo will install gizmo. However I did not find any video capabilities in gizmo even though launcher shortcut says "Gizmo (Video & IM).

I have installed gizmo, when os2008 was leaked, I can connect to gizmo for windows v4beta with video and do video chat.

You just dialog a contact in gizmo for n800, and the video comes up.
http://vabgeo.googlepages.com/n800_gizmo_vid.jpg

vabgeo

11-17-2007, 12:13 AM

Doesn't seem to be working at the moment. It prompted to add a new repository, that worked fine, then it downloaded the app (about 5 MB) and that completed. But the install aborts about 1/3 of the way through. Hopefully they update the package soon to get it working again.

I remember I had a long delay too, I though it had hung and was going to kill it, when it resumed and completed installation. Maybe their server is slow?

jdr93

11-17-2007, 12:29 AM

I remember I had a long delay too, I though it had hung and was going to kill it, when it resumed and completed installation. Maybe their server is slow?
so you actually have gizmo (voice, video and i.m working for you on the 800 with the 2008 os? i'm going to try it right now. nope, download 4.23mb, then installs to about the 25% point and fails. application manager claims it's 'installable' though. glad i kept my n770 now. i like the new os, but i want to have maemo mapper and gizmo with us when we go to europe in a week. though i have some small issues with maemo mapper i do feel in many ways it's a superior ap over navicore

john

vabgeo

11-17-2007, 12:45 AM

so you actually have gizmo (voice, video and i.m working for you on the 800 with the 2008 os? i'm going to try it right now. nope, download 4.23mb, then installs to about the 25% point and fails. application manager claims it's 'installable' though. glad i kept my n770 now. i like the new os, but i want to have maemo mapper and gizmo with us when we go to europe in week. though i have some small issues with maemo mapper i do feel in many ways it's a superior ap over navicore

john

I have OS2008 on N800, the gizmo version in N800 is v4.0.0 (94) and windows version is v4.0.(v319) with video running. i also had gizmo video in os2007 but it used to crash a lot that I rarely used it.

geneven

11-17-2007, 12:50 AM

technut

11-17-2007, 01:07 AM

I can connect to gizmo for windows v4beta with video and do video chat.That's good news! I know a few people have had brief success but if this is reliable I think its a breakthrough.

I'll try to install Gizmo again a bit later.

p.s. Realized after I posted that the picture shows what I asked about it working both ways.

Moonshine

11-17-2007, 01:17 AM

so you actually have gizmo (voice, video and i.m working for you on the 800 with the 2008 os? i'm going to try it right now. nope, download 4.23mb, then installs to about the 25% point and fails. application manager claims it's 'installable' though.

FWIW I'm seeing the same thing . Logs show:

Installing gizmo-project 4.0.0.94
(Reading database ... 15858 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking gizmo-project (from .../gizmo-project_4.0.0.94_armel.deb) ...
dpkg: error processing /media/mmc2/.apt-archive-cache/gizmo-project_4.0.0.94_armel.deb (--unpack):
trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/hildon/gizmo-project.png', which is also in package gizmo-installer
dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
Errors were encountered while processing:
/media/mmc2/.apt-archive-cache/gizmo-project_4.0.0.94_armel.deb
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)

vabgeo

11-17-2007, 01:19 AM

That's good news! And it works both ways? You can see the PC video on your Nokia?

I'll try to install Gizmo again a bit later.

Yes as the pic in my previous message shows. I didnt have screenshot of os2008 installed , so just did a print screen of my win-gizmo showing a lin-gizmo showing a....
I wont comment much on the vga cam of the n800

vabgeo

11-17-2007, 01:21 AM

FWIW I'm seeing the same thing . Logs show:

Installing gizmo-project 4.0.0.94

trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/hildon/gizmo-project.png', which is also in package gizmo-installer

delete the png in a terminal as root, it might install...
I had a similar problem with another deb I was creating.

jdr93

11-17-2007, 01:22 AM

I have a similar problem witn Puppy Linux, which is not related to Ubuntu. I have been unable to boot staying connected to usb after at least 30 tries.Each time I see the usb icon and it disappears.

I have successfully flashed my N800 about 20 times from Windows XP.
try downloading another one of the myriad of cd live linux variations. odd the usb icon goes away. you checked the usb cord?

Moonshine

11-17-2007, 01:41 AM

delete the png in a terminal as root, it might install...
I had a similar problem with another deb I was creating.

I tried, but it didn't help. However uninstalling the "gizmo-installer" package with:

dpkg -r gizmo-installer

Did let me install Gizmo from their repo via App Manager :D

evanjfraser

11-17-2007, 04:06 AM

geneven

11-17-2007, 04:42 AM

'try downloading another one of the myriad of cd live linux variations. odd the usb icon goes away. you checked the usb cord'

When trying it 30 times, I did check the usb cord, yes.I also tried a different usb port. I am out of town and only have one computer to try it on.I will try another usb cord when I find one.

I have seen similar behavior before, just not as bad. It is NOT odd that the usb icon goes away. This is how this process fails, when it fails.I have described this problem before, on this site. (see 'flashing is too hard') I am not the only one who has described this problem.

As a devotee of Distrowatch, I am well aware that there are other cd live variations. I will try some. Hopefully one will work, though Ubuntu is a fairly major distro.

Thanks for the suggestions.

Rebski

11-17-2007, 09:08 AM

GPE does work on OS2008, but you need to use the experimental dist at:

http://www.cobb.uk.net/apt/

(add "deb http://www.cobb.uk.net/apt/ chinook experimental" to your
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list )

Thanks for posting this evanjfraser, that is brilliant news - just what I have been looking for.

GPE Contacts, ToDo and File Manager all install and work.

The problem with Calendar is that it requires the missing package libsoup2.2-8. From what I can see this should be in the Cobb repository.
It is listed in http://www.cobb.uk.net/apt/dists/chinook/experimental/binary-armel/Packages

but the file is not present.

Would you have any idea how to obtain it?

bachviet

11-17-2007, 10:53 AM

On Wednesday & Thursday, I used CNet instruction to install but it wasn't successful (timeout error after last command). However yesterday, I downloaded the firmware & flasher-3.0 again and gave it another try. I flashed my N800 without enable R&D mode and it was a success. I don't know if the firmware or the R&D mode caused the problem.

evanjfraser

11-17-2007, 11:25 AM

The problem with Calendar is that it requires the missing package libsoup2.2-8.

You need the Maemo Hackers repository I believe:

http://gronmayer.com/n800/repos/

jmancine

11-17-2007, 12:23 PM

norsk, I had the same problem with the boot loop. This post is also pertinent to those trying to install from Ubuntu live cd.

Turns out that the live CD method does not work sometimes. For unknown reasons, the virtual filesystem that it creates has no free space for the os2008 files to expand into during installation. This results in only a partial flash.

Check your logs for write errors or disk space errors.

My solution was to install Ubuntu to a partition. The process was then seamless. And I'm a big fan of Ubuntu now, too. ;)

free

11-17-2007, 12:35 PM

FWIW I'm seeing the same thing . Logs show:

trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/hildon/gizmo-project.png', which is also in package gizmo-installer

If you are sure of yourself, you have to tell dpkg to force overwritting files.

dpkg --force-overwrite -i packagename.deb

This is a very common error.

Another way to do it, directly from apt-get:

apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-overwrite" install packagename

Removing the conflicting file doesn't help because the list of files is stored somewhere.

Mara

11-17-2007, 12:48 PM

Has anyone else had an issue where if you lock the tablet, you can't unlock it? Ie, it won't let you press the center button to unlock the screen and buttons?

Just reporting SECOND time this happened to me.

Thsi time my N800 wasn't in keylock mode. It was just in normal sleep overnight when after waking up the screen with stylus it does not recognize any front panel key presses, nor the full screen and + and - keys on the top. Only the power button works. After reboot all the buttons work.

In other words this problem does not only appear during keylock mode. It has something to do with the powersave/sleep mode in general.

EDIT: added my 2 cents into bugzilla bug #2311.

jhoff80

11-17-2007, 01:34 PM

Yeah it happened to me twice in a row and then worked fine the other times. I actually went back to OS2007 anyway because of not enough apps, so I don't know if it would have been a continual thing, or just was randomly doing it twice in a row for me.

Greyghost

11-17-2007, 01:56 PM

GPE does work on OS2008, but you need to use the experimental dist at:

http://www.cobb.uk.net/apt/

(add "deb http://www.cobb.uk.net/apt/ chinook experimental" to your
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list )

Superb! Thanks for the link. This wasn't in the N810 repository list when I looked yesterday.

Greyghost

11-17-2007, 02:24 PM

I tried, but it didn't help. However uninstalling the "gizmo-installer" package with:

dpkg -r gizmo-installer

Did let me install Gizmo from their repo via App Manager :D

After re-reading this thred, it seems that a few folks have it working, but not me, alas. I just tried this method but got an error message that said I had to be a 'superuser'...it this something relatively simple for a linux noob to attempt or should I just wait?

jdr93

11-17-2007, 03:41 PM

If you are sure of yourself, you have to tell dpkg to force overwritting files.

dpkg --force-overwrite -i packagename.deb

This is a very common error.

Another way to do it, directly from apt-get:

apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-overwrite" install packagename

Removing the conflicting file doesn't help because the list of files is stored somewhere.
do you have the 'packagename' for the gizmo install, or could you tell us where to find the name? thank you for your help above.

john

johsua

11-17-2007, 04:06 PM

You have to be root. There are various ways to do this. One is to install becomroot. This can be found at maemo.org under the 2006 software, IIRC. A search for "becomeroot maemo" on google may get you there sooner though... sorry i don't know the link ottomh. btw this dpkg -r gizmo-installer method worked for me.

jdr93

11-17-2007, 06:48 PM

- snip - btw this dpkg -r gizmo-installer method worked for me.
thanks for your note. i'd tried it twice before but has gotten a message saying the data base was being used by another program (though no other programs was running other than the xterm window.) third time was the charm. gizmo works great. now i have to find someone who can receive an image.

john

Greyghost

11-18-2007, 11:51 AM

third time was the charm. gizmo works great.

Indeed, I had to run the command three times before it worked, but it did! Removed the offending file and now I have gizmo installed. Now to go test!

Thanks to all for the help.

ku4tp

11-21-2007, 10:31 AM

Just a thought for those trying to use the Ubuntu live cd to do this flash and are having USB problems - Have you tried hitting F6 and adding any (or all) of the following options at the end of the startup string: noapic noacpi noirqdebug ?

murphy

11-22-2007, 03:15 AM

About the boot loop, for me it was a flash mistake, I entered :
sudo ./flasher-3.0 -n initfs.jffs2 -f
sudo ./flasher-3.0 -r initfs.jffs2 -f -R
instead of
sudo ./flasher-3.0 -n initfs.jffs2 -f
sudo ./flasher-3.0 -r rootfs.jffs2 -f -R

About installing gizmo project, I just installed it :
- download the file http://download.gizmoproject.com/GizmoDownload/gizmo-project_4.0.0.95_N800P_armel.deb
- run the built-in xterm and enter :
sudo gainroot
cd MyDocs
dpkg -i --force-all gizmo-project_4.0.0.95_N800P_armel.deb

maluka

11-22-2007, 03:58 AM

worked perfectly on my first try!!!

technut

11-23-2007, 07:56 AM

Thanks to Crussader for letting us know there is a newer version of N810 OS2008 available for download at the Nokia site now!
RX-44_2008SE_1.2007.42-19_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin

From:
http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12144

unique311

11-24-2007, 05:53 AM

just notice 2 os2008 firmwares available at the dl site.

technut

11-24-2007, 06:35 AM

I have updated post #2 of this thread with detailed instructions on how to install OS2008 on N800, including references to the newest firmware revision that came out on Nov 23.

Note that this is not an official N800 release. Read post #1 for more details.