OS2008 Beta: Wish list [Archive] - maemo.org

zeez

11-27-2007, 02:07 PM

Hmm ok i'll add some stuff:

- Mail client sucks - we need modest (fully integrated like the regular client)
- Allow to integrate pidgin just like GTalk
- More brightness settings (especially darker ones)
- The new way to enter stuff like Ctrl-C in the terminal is a pain ! (ever used nano with that ?)
- Allow FULL customization of menus
- For all kind of notification (from new mail to the alarm clock: allow any mp3 file or even internet radio
- Allow me to switch between wide, thumb friendly scrollbars and small ones for use with the stylus (in all applications, eg microB just has the small ones others have only the big ones)
- Make more use of the led, use flashing intervals to signal different kinds of information, make the led accessible to 3rd party programs
- The new way to move applets is slick but not as accurate
- Pressing enter in the fullscreen keyboard should do the same as in the small one (ever noticed how you have to press "send" in pidgin after pressing enter when using the fullscreen keyboard ?

Don't get me wrong: I LOVE the new OS - these are just the things i noticed :)

zerojay

11-27-2007, 02:27 PM

Hmm ok i'll add some stuff:

- Mail client sucks - we need modest (fully integrated like the regular client)

That was the original intent - to replace the original mail client, however it just didn't get finished on time. You can do this right now, I believe, if you dummy out the original client name and change the Modest program name to replace it. It already works with the integrated alerts.

- Allow to integrate pidgin just like GTalk

Won't happen, but you don't need to anyways since there are Jabber servers like Jablet out there for exactly this reason.

- More brightness settings (especially darker ones)

A return to the original 10 settings would be nice.

- For all kind of notification (from new mail to the alarm clock: allow any mp3 file or even internet radio

I filed a bug for something like this before.

- Make more use of the led, use flashing intervals to signal different kinds of information, make the led accessible to 3rd party programs

I believe this is already implemented.

- The new way to move applets is slick but not as accurate

Agreed, already a bug on it.

- Pressing enter in the fullscreen keyboard should do the same as in the small one (ever noticed how you have to press "send" in pidgin after pressing enter when using the fullscreen keyboard ?

Works fine in the web browser.

Don't get me wrong: I LOVE the new OS - these are just the things i noticed :)

Yeah, there are some small things still that I'd like to see changed. Good list though.

zeez

11-27-2007, 02:37 PM

Won't happen, but you don't need to anyways since there are Jabber servers like Jablet out there for exactly this reason.

I think we had a talk on this before. But my experience with transports is bad. They are less reliable, offer less features and if one of the protocols change you can only hope that whoever runs the server fixes it. Also most unexperienced uses would rather click on that .install file for pidgin instead of setting up transports...

I believe this is already implemented.

Hmm yeah but they don't make as much use of it as i would like to see. Also i have not seen i 3rd party app using it yet.

zerojay

11-27-2007, 03:03 PM

I think we had a talk on this before. But my experience with transports is bad. They are less reliable, offer less features and if one of the protocols change you can only hope that whoever runs the server fixes it. Also most unexperienced uses would rather click on that .install file for pidgin instead of setting up transports...

I think it's because a lot of the people that run Jabber servers just simply don't use them themselves so they don't notice or care if it goes down, is instable, etc... I run my own and I constantly use it as anyone on the service can tell. Fixes applied as soon as they are put out. But I'm definitely in the minority, as you mentioned.

If a protocol changes, you have to download an updated version if Pidgin, or maybe just of that protocol's plugin.. whereas on my Jabber server if something like that happens, I install it once and it works for everyone without them needing to update anything.

Setting up transports and getting a Jablet account is going to be reduced down to clicking on an .install file soon as well for the inexperienced users, though it's not all that hard to do right now with PSI. Currently working on that, among other things.

EDIT: In case I wasn't clear, Modest will be the new integrated mail client in the future, just as Microb replaced Opera.

RobMtl007

11-27-2007, 04:20 PM

Greetings:

Well my Wishlist would be:

1) Have a Video Chat conference with Nicole Kidman
2) Can it be possible to have Flash support for the WebCam
3) FM Radio

Regards Robert

zerojay

11-27-2007, 04:35 PM

Greetings:

Well my Wishlist would be:

1) Have a Video Chat conference with Nicole Kidman

Send her an N810 and I'm sure she'd do that. ;)

2) Can it be possible to have Flash support for the WebCam

This is probably Adobe's doing. We're probably using a stripped down version of Flash for embedded devices. But even if it did support the webcam, it would be nearly unusable anyways. Ever try using the cam much as is? Most of the programs that use it (aside from Internet Call) are as crashy and choppy as can be.

3) FM Radio

Nokia's already confirmed that this will be working on OS2008 and that the new FM Radio applet should be released around the time of the OS2008 final.

ioan

11-27-2007, 05:06 PM

1) Have a Video Chat conference with Nicole Kidman

my wife looks like Nicole Kidman (kinda), send me a N810 and I'll arrange not one, but 4 video chat conferences with her ;-)

pixelseventy2

11-27-2007, 05:13 PM

does anyone have a modest deb or binaries? I don't have a machine I can put the scratchbox on at the moment. I know it's only alpha, but I fancy trying it

technut

11-27-2007, 05:44 PM

This is probably Adobe's doing. We're probably using a stripped down version of Flash for embedded devices. But even if it did support the webcam, it would be nearly unusable anyways. Ever try using the cam much as is? Most of the programs that use it (aside from Internet Call) are as crashy and choppy as can be.There appears to be support for webcams in the Flash we have, but just no camera to select. When Flash prompts for a camera, the selection list is empty as if there isn't a compatible driver.

And if the Internet Call video works pretty well (and it does (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE2fhlh3hJs)), that proves it is not a design flaw preventing it from working well in other apps. Who is to say Flash couldn't also work decently if the driver was written well.

Vote for Flash support for the webcam! (https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1889)

zerojay

11-27-2007, 06:19 PM

does anyone have a modest deb or binaries? I don't have a machine I can put the scratchbox on at the moment. I know it's only alpha, but I fancy trying it

PM me with your e-mail address and I'll send you what I've got.

Traecer

11-27-2007, 06:48 PM

Better status bar icons. The ones in the current beta look like line scribbles from a Pilot 1000 from 12 years ago.

dblank

11-27-2007, 07:20 PM

Better status bar icons. The ones in the current beta look like line scribbles from a Pilot 1000 from 12 years ago.

Heheh, I actually like em, but I'm sure we'll see some more themes in the future.

steelbutt

11-29-2007, 06:23 AM

Beni

11-29-2007, 08:21 PM

-Built in Fully integrated A2DP for all programs
- New Media Player, there should be "Simple", "Advanced" and "Slick" Modes
* Simple should be finger friendly, every menu should be defaulted to finger use versus stylus. It really should be really simple.
* Advanced would be similar to the current one except it shows Album art and there are options to change Playlists, create them, FM Radio Built in, and built in support for mPlayer for movies.
* Slick should have a Cover Flow clone, completely touch based and have interia scrolling, slick interface, lots of shiny stuff basically.

zerojay

11-29-2007, 09:37 PM

Hi all,

has anyone found a way to disable the pictures when using the contacts applet? I'd rather have some more contacts show up, instead of showing the icons most people haven't set anyway.

Thanks, SB

Yes, I have.
Open up your Contacts list. Open it's application menu and choose View -> List.
It will remove all the pictures. This will also affect the Speed Contacts home applet.

steelbutt

11-30-2007, 04:25 AM

Yes, I have.
Open up your Contacts list. Open it's application menu and choose View -> List.
It will remove all the pictures. This will also affect the Speed Contacts home applet.

That's exactly the behavior I expected and that's what I tried first. But unfortunately it doesn't work for me. Changing the view in the contacts application doesn't have any influence on the speed contacts home applet. Maybe this has got something to do with my recovering from a backup after flashing.

Thanks, SB

GeneralAntilles

11-30-2007, 05:12 AM

That's exactly the behavior I expected and that's what I tried first. But unfortunately it doesn't work for me. Changing the view in the contacts application doesn't have any influence on the speed contacts home applet. Maybe this has got something to do with my recovering from a backup after flashing.

Thanks, SB

Yeah, it doesn't work for me, either. I actually opened up a bug (https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2288), might need to play around some more, though.

HiVoltage

11-30-2007, 05:37 AM

1. Non-modal interface with optional window resizing.... having multiple windows on the screen can sometimes be helpful.
2. Native AAC+ support in the Media Player, without using 100% of CPU.
3. NO CRASHING!

chilko

11-30-2007, 09:47 AM

adding option for setting hardware shortcut for switching keyboard layouts when using external keyboard, just like in desktop os

alvindd

11-30-2007, 10:56 AM

I would like to be able to go to Sirius.com and "Listen Online".

I can log in to my account but there is no sound when I pick a channel.

zerojay

11-30-2007, 11:59 AM

It probably uses something more than just flash then... maybe Java... who knows.

alvindd

11-30-2007, 12:14 PM

It probably uses something more than just flash then... maybe Java... who knows.

I just found these requirements:

- Browser – Safari 1.0 or higher, Netscape 7, Firefox 1.5 or higher, and Internet Explorer 6.0 or higher, AOL version 5.0 or higher
- Flash - version 7.0 or higher.
- Windows Media Player

zerojay

11-30-2007, 12:21 PM

Windows Media Player says it all right there. It might be some sort of protected stream.

Roc Ingersol

11-30-2007, 01:13 PM

* UI still needs to be more thumb-friendly.
Bigger scroll bars or more consistent thumb-drag scrolling, option menus are still finger-unfriendly, etc

* I'd love a 'show thumb-keyboard by default' setting.
For me, using the stylus to peck at virtual keys is the exception.
A general 'finger navigation by default' setting would also be awesome, if it defaulted things like option menus to finger-friendly sizes as well as setting the virtual thumbboard as the default.

* navigation still feels a little sluggish.
App-switching and zoom/full screen should really be goosed up. Maybe when the CPU speed bump comes through that'll happen naturally. (assuming it hasn't already come through, as I haven't noticed it being any faster)

Other than that... the OS itself is fine. The changes are quite good.
I rather like the new theme and icons.

YoDude

11-30-2007, 03:39 PM

Allow multiple instances of the "Web Shortcut" to be run on the home screen.

And...

Resolve the two iDEN Bluetooth bugs in bugzilla so I can finally connect through my dang phone.

BTW, Windows shared folders showing up in file manager and the improved e-mail notification and Home screen integration of the on board e-mail client ROCK!

Keep up the good work. :)

R-R

11-30-2007, 03:45 PM

The main use for the tablet is really communication for me and ssh is an important part of it. (With pidgin, the browser and rtcomm/Sofia-SIP...)

The new osso-xterm is really broken for now compared to the old 2007 version, less zoom out forces you in a very small term and it doesn't memorize the command-menu activation in full/not-full screen mode anymore. It also pops up a weird bar with ABC at the end when i type with a bluetooth keyboard to suggest completions, is this an OS feature i can turn off when i use a bt keyboard?

Other than that, chat works, video chat works with another n800/2008beta, anyone got a working jingle client on a PC Linux to interact with it yet (without hacking it ;) ?

I'd like to see handsfree profile supported but i think it's a BlueZ problem for now...

Other than that, some UI or disapearing desktop applet and other "features" have been spotted but i can't be more precise at this moment... :-)

Oh, that and the fact that my SIP is acting completely erratic as per this post:
http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10344
I'm blaming the n800 for now as other ATA / Softphone work flawlessly with a simple asterisk config...

wazd

11-30-2007, 05:14 PM

I want all icons in the interface to be replaceble. And FM radio applet integrated in media player. And a dedicated button to switch fullscreen keyboard layouts =) Well, thats all =)

Moonshine

11-30-2007, 05:48 PM

.... The new osso-xterm is really broken for now compared to the old 2007 version, less zoom out forces you in a very small term and it doesn't memorize the command-menu activation in full/not-full screen mode anymore. It also pops up a weird bar with ABC at the end when i type with a bluetooth keyboard to suggest completions, is this an OS feature i can turn off when i use a bt keyboard?

Are you talking about the font size when you say "less zoom out"? That's adjustable and if you add the bitstream-vera fonts or driod fonts you'll get some good results. Haven't tried it with my BT keyboard yet though.

....

Oh, that and the fact that my SIP is acting completely erratic as per this post:
http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10344
I'm blaming the n800 for now as other ATA / Softphone work flawlessly with a simple asterisk config...

Left a message for you on the thread. I think it's just an interaction with NAT/invites/etc.

Moonshine

11-30-2007, 05:55 PM

I want all icons in the interface to be replaceble...

I imagine you'd like an interface for making the changes, but you might want to check out what's hiding in directories like /usr/share/icons/hicolor/ and /usr/share/themes/

hircus

11-30-2007, 06:00 PM

It also pops up a weird bar with ABC at the end when i type with a bluetooth keyboard to suggest completions, is this an OS feature i can turn off when i use a bt keyboard?

That command-completion bar is enabled whenever you use a hardware keyboard, whether built-in (N810) or Bluetooth. I'm afraid I have not found a way to disable it, but I guess the reason why the bar is that large is to let N810 users quickly jab the right correction with their fingers while typing,

GeneralAntilles

11-30-2007, 07:32 PM

It's truly disturbing how crappy Nokia's xterm is now that it's bundled. I dunno what they managed to pull, but fix it! Fix it! Fix it!

IBICO

12-01-2007, 11:11 AM

I would love a setting where I could choose if user is left handed or right handed.

Scrollbar on the other side is one of them, but the "example to complete word" pop out on the left side of the space bar when I write and since I use my stylus on the left side of the screen I have to tap at the far right on the space bar for a space.

Also more settings on light.. I prefer to have it a bit dark, but difficult to have the right middle setting with only a few settings.

Not sure.. but have the sound on the mplayer on max been set lower then in OS07? I find it a bit to low now.

ragnar

12-01-2007, 11:16 AM

That command-completion bar is enabled whenever you use a hardware keyboard, whether built-in (N810) or Bluetooth. I'm afraid I have not found a way to disable it, but I guess the reason why the bar is that large is to let N810 users quickly jab the right correction with their fingers while typing,

You can turn off this bar by turning off word completion and next word prediction for the language you're in, under the control panel, text input settings: languages tab - settings.

R-R

12-01-2007, 02:50 PM

I would love a setting where I could choose if user is left handed or right handed.

Scrollbar on the other side is one of them, but the "example to complete word" pop out on the left side of the space bar when I write and since I use my stylus on the left side of the screen I have to tap at the far right on the space bar for a space.

Agreed! being Left handed with the stylus and having to scroll on the right with my hand blocking the view on the screen makes it a bit annoying sometimes :-)

R-R

12-01-2007, 03:01 PM

Are you talking about the font size when you say "less zoom out"? That's adjustable and if you add the bitstream-vera fonts or driod fonts you'll get some good results. Haven't tried it with my BT keyboard yet though.

I'll try adding the font as soon as the chinook repository is back online, maybe that'll fix it, but it seemed like to zoom was capped arbitrarily rather than being bounded by the font size... we'll see! :)

But still, the bottom ABC word completion bar (we have [tab] in bash for that, thank you!) and the tool menu setting not being memorized is probably a bug.

Left a message for you on the thread. I think it's just an interaction with NAT/invites/etc.

Yep, cheers! :-)