Dell Axim x51v

[Beni]

Even though its really old. I might get one. It seems better then the N800 in every possible way..

[johnkzin]

really? It doesn't run windows anymore?

[Beni]

It still runs Windows Mobile yeah. Don't see how thats a con though.

[Moonshine]

Have you ever used Mobile IE?

[dblank]

Even though its really old. I might get one. It seems better then the N800 in every possible way..

I'm sure it is better in some ways, and the N800 in others (for me, open source and Linux are very important).

If you think it's the better device for you, then you should certainly get one and check it out, and let us know how it compares :)

[Beni]

Have you ever used Mobile IE?
Nope. Why?

[Moonshine]

Nope. Why?

Honestly it's a complete joke, even in WM6. Be sure to try it out on a few of your favorite sites before spending any $. Also remember you're talking 640x480 (once you have rotated the screen) vs. 800x480 which also shaves off some more real estate.

I've owned an X50v for quite a while. For video (using TCPMP -- now Coreplayer) it's amazing with its accellerated Intel chip. Yes, better then the N8xx. But other then that ,I'll be glad to get rid of it once my eBay auction ends. Battery life is really poor, especially if Wifi is on (god forbid) or an app is running the CPU much. It makes me laugh thinking about having my n800 online and available for days.

Also in the world of Windows Mobile you also end up paying for apps more often then not. There are decent free apps, but they are the exception. I still use Windows Mobile via my phone (Moto Q) but other then that, I'm glad to be done.

[AkiraXXX]

Well, the main downside to the X51v right now is the fact that Dell no longer sells them and I'm not sure about the support. You can likely pick one up on Ebay or on one of the Axim fan sites, but they will all be a minimum of a year old. I've had mine for a few years now and love it. 640x480 isn't as nice as the Nokia's screen, but the smoking 624 mzh processor is sweet. The addition of a dedicated graphics processor (Intel 2700G) makes gaming and other graphic-intensive tasks manageable (as long as the code leverages that power). Another downside is no support for WM6. Windows Mobile/CE/whatever justifiably had a bad rep. WM5 was a good step forward. I've been unable to use WM6 since Dell never supported it. For those who mourn the use of IE, I know of no one who uses it. I use Opera and there is also Netfront. Add to the "pros" column the fact that there is more software available for the Dell than you could ever want. Nokia is helped by the Palm OS emulator, but I have one of those on my Axim that runs very, very well.

In the end, is all depends on how you want to use it. The Dell is smaller, has a built in mic for push-button voice memos, bluetooth, 802.11b, CF and SD slot and will actually fit in a pocket. It doesn't have a camera or a phone, but like the Nokia it can be used with VOIP (I've used it with my Skype account for a while now). You can buy a crappy camera that goes into the SD slot, but I don't think that is a plus. Nokia has an advantage in the Java/Flash app department. That is a BIG advantage for some. For others it won't matter as much.

Each are good devices and fill a niche. I think you'll be happy regardless of your choice. Since I own one, you'd think I'd stop Jonesing for an iPhone and an 810. Yet, here we are. :)

[Moonshine]

Well, the main downside to the X51v right now is the fact that Dell no longer sells them and I'm not sure about the support. You can likely pick one up on Ebay or on one of the Axim fan sites, but they will all be a minimum of a year old. I've had mine for a few years now and love it. 640x480 isn't as nice as the Nokia's screen, but the smoking 624 mzh processor is sweet. The addition of a dedicated graphics processor (Intel 2700G) makes gaming and other graphic-intensive tasks manageable (as long as the code leverages that power).


I agree with much of this, and maybe the X51v was much different then the x50v, but the processor and Wifi chews through batteries and spits them out on mine. This really limits the usefulness IMO. That's in WM2003SE, WM5 or WM6.

Another downside is no support for WM6. Windows Mobile/CE/whatever justifiably had a bad rep. WM5 was a good step forward. I've been unable to use WM6 since Dell never supported it.

Offical support isn't there but you can run WM6 on an X50v or X51v. I ran it on my X50v for a few weeks just to see what had changed.

For those who mourn the use of IE, I know of no one who uses it. I use Opera and there is also Netfront.

This would be his first extra purchase then. :) Having bought both of these, I'd still take Mozilla on the Nokia any day. Of course YMMV.

Add to the "pros" column the fact that there is more software available for the Dell than you could ever want. Nokia is helped by the Palm OS emulator, but I have one of those on my Axim that runs very, very well.

But it's a much more "commercial" software landscape for Windows Mobile. I'm not saying that's always "bad" (heck I'd love to pony up for some missing Maemo apps of my choice), but it is very different. I spent a lot on WM stuff to get what I could out of it at the time :D


Each are good devices and fill a niche. I think you'll be happy regardless of your choice. Since I own one, you'd think I'd stop Jonesing for an iPhone and an 810. Yet, here we are. :)

Heh.. Now I don't feel that bad. I just want the N810. :D

[dblank]

The addition of a dedicated graphics processor (Intel 2700G) makes gaming and other graphic-intensive tasks manageable (as long as the code leverages that power).

Wouldn't it be great if the Nokia tablets actually used the fancy graphics chips inside them as well?

It really drives me nuts knowing there's great stuff inside that isn't being used!

[johnkzin]

It still runs Windows Mobile yeah. Don't see how thats a con though.

I not only see it as a con, I see it as a show-stopper.

[Beni]

Music: Other then the built in one. Are there any other good music programs out there? Possible with interia scrolling, playlist, podcast support, etc.

Video: One thing I hated about the N800 is that you have to transcode everything. Do I have to do that with the Dell Axim x51v?

Software: There are alot of good and useful programs right? If so, mind directing me to which ones? Also, is it worth going to Windows Mobile 6?

Games: Any good games?

Hardware: Does the Dell Axim x51v support the following: Bluetooth AD2P, Bluetooth Keyboard, SDHC Memory Cards? Is the Axim known to have good build quality? I've never owned an actual PDA before.

Yeah, I want a PDA so I can organize myself. I heard this is the best one out there. So I'm just wondering basically.. Thanks in advance! Unless the N800 can already do all of these things...

[Moonshine]

I think you'll get a lot more info at the Aximsite forums...

http://www.aximsite.com/boards/x50-x51-forums/

As for the "best", I'm not so sure. Having had many, HP has pretty nice build quailty, better battery life, better screen, etc. The X50v and X51v just gave a lot of bang for the buck and included the Intel video which gave it video horsepower. To do what it sounds like you want, you will need additional software. Starting with Coreplayer or TCPMP for video. That is an excellent program.

[alvindd]

Dell Axim can stream from Sirius.com, N800 no.

[MoridinBG]

I have been in the pocket scene for two full years. Have gone all the way from Axim X5, X30mid, iPaq 3115, Loox 600, Axim x51v. And the single thing I can say is WM sucks!. Yeah, it has great application base, but as an OS it hasn't improved in terms of user experience even a step from 2000 till now. Yeah, there has been some design changes, some internal ones, but as a whole.. it's the same.
The axim has really great CPU (PXA270@624), which overclocks incredibly (1014Mhz in my case), but the OS kills all the potential. Opera, MP# player, ICQ and a file manager. And that's it. Even a single file browser opened after that is a disaster. It's comfortably usable for multitasking up to two programs.

As for music players there are some quiet nice. PocketMusic and PocketPlayer are among my favourite. But I would not compare them to UKMP. Or Kagu. Or Canola.

What do you have to transcode for the N800? I watched at least two fims directly copied from the PC. The only downside is the size.


The GPU in the Axim is lite version of the one in N800. It's the same PowerVR MBX, but MBX Lite. It's incredible to play Quake 3 with reasonable FPS.

[Beni]

I have been in the pocket scene for two full years. Have gone all the way from Axim X5, X30mid, iPaq 3115, Loox 600, Axim x51v. And the single thing I can say is WM sucks!. Yeah, it has great application base, but as an OS it hasn't improved in terms of user experience even a step from 2000 till now. Yeah, there has been some design changes, some internal ones, but as a whole.. it's the same.
The axim has really great CPU (PXA270@624), which overclocks incredibly (1014Mhz in my case), but the OS kills all the potential. Opera, MP# player, ICQ and a file manager. And that's it. Even a single file browser opened after that is a disaster. It's comfortably usable for multitasking up to two programs.

As for music players there are some quiet nice. PocketMusic and PocketPlayer are among my favourite. But I would not compare them to UKMP. Or Kagu. Or Canola.

What do you have to transcode for the N800? I watched at least two fims directly copied from the PC. The only downside is the size.


The GPU in the Axim is lite version of the one in N800. It's the same PowerVR MBX, but MBX Lite. It's incredible to play Quake 3 with reasonable FPS.
Actually, I've heard alot of reports to the contrary. That Windows Mobile is actually pretty good. Someone on my local craigslist is selling their HP iPAQ hx2795b, which is the same thing as the Dell Axim x51v, just minus GPU, and plus biometric fingerprint thingy and better drivers. (AD2P, AVRCP, Bluetooth Phone Profile, etc).

UKMP, Canola, and Kagu in my experiences have been very buggy and crappy. I have about 400 movies and 8 seasons of some shows on my 500GB hard drive. Most of them I have already transcoded to 320X240 for mobile use (iPod, PSP, etc). Though the N800 won't play any of them. So I'm done with that.

Maemo has really been crappy IMO. I could say the same thing about what you have said and apply it to Maemo. Being "open source" is irrelevant really when its being crappy.

Not to mention that the N800 has no PIM software at all, or decent games, etc. So yeah, Windows Mobile time. As long as it is fast (videos of both the x51v and HX2795b show it is). I would get a x51v, since it has VGA, but it has less colors and a "worse" screen then the 2795b. Albeit it has a better GPU... thats about it.

If I could get a Axim locally, I would get it.

[sachin007]

Windows mobile??

Look at the screen resolution. How bad can it be. Compared to the n800's gorgeous screen the dell axim is really nowhere.

And i am not even going to talk about the mobile experience on ie. Is there any worse word then sucks.

I seriously cannot understand how winmobile is better than maemo. One thing it may be better is the program support. But that just came with time. just give maemo 6 months and it will blow you.

Until then we are very happy with the tablets. You go ahead and enjoy your windows mobile

[Beni]

Look at the screen resolution. How bad can it be. Compared to the n800's gorgeous screen the dell axim is really nowhere.
640 X 480 vs. 800 X 480? Oh wow, 160 more pixel width <_<. VGA vs WVGA. VGA wins since 4:3 > 16:9 for videos. (Most videos anyway)

And i am not even going to talk about the mobile experience on ie. Is there any worse word then sucks.
No, go ahead. And tell me which PDA you were using as well.

I seriously cannot understand how winmobile is better than maemo. One thing it may be better is the program support. But that just came with time. just give maemo 6 months and it will blow you.
When it comes to an OS, what else is there except program support? Usability? Speed? All dependent on device.

Until then we are very happy with the tablets. You go ahead and enjoy your windows mobile
Except.. I have a N800... what we are you talking about either? Speak for yourself.

[MstPrgmr]

I keep hearing people say the N810 won't play video files encoded for ipod, but I am running OS2008 on my N800 (same software) and can run ipod encoded .mp4 videos using the built in media player.

In addition once mplayer arrives the video capacity of the N8x0 will be unmatched. (I hear some people have gotten mplayer to work by fooling around with libraries/dependencies, but it is not 100% as of now)

[Beni]

I keep hearing people say the N810 won't play video files encoded for ipod, but I am running OS2008 on my N800 (same software) and can run ipod encoded .mp4 videos using the built in media player.
Doesn't work for me. It plays for about 15 seconds then crashes.

[sachin007]

Ok lets make this discussion more helpful.

I use the n800 and mplayer for videos.

I can watch divx, xvid, flv, avi files without encoding via mplayer.

Then compared to the browser in the n800 i havent seen any browser half as good as that. flash, ajax etc. Do you know of one mobile browser at 200$ which can do any of these??

Then the third party support which is absolutely free. unlke the winmobile apps.
Voip. show me one portable device which can do gtalk, yahoo, skype and even gizmo for video?

Okay show me any portable device with a 4.13 inch screen which fits in the palm of your hand for 200$.

And then 2 memory cards with a combined memory upto 32gb!!

The speakers are one of the best in a portable device and then there is fm radio and internet radio which by itself is worth more than anything.

Please for god's sake name any device which can do half of these things at that price point!!

We understand that the n800 has some issues like less memory and crashing apps for that price it is the best device i have ever had. It definitely is lot more worth than the 200$ it is selling for right now.

[Beni]

I use the n800 and mplayer for videos.
You could use a PDA and use Core Player for videos.

I can watch divx, xvid, flv, avi files without encoding via mplayer.
You could do the same with Core Player. Also, you still have to convert most files even with mPlayer. Since none of my iPod formatted videos, nor my Heroes Episodes (640 X 480) worked natively on my N800.

Then compared to the browser in the n800 i havent seen any browser half as good as that. flash, ajax etc. Do you know of one mobile browser at 200$ which can do any of these??
I don't need any of those things. But if you really want an answer, the Eee can do all of that as well.

Then the third party support which is absolutely free. unlke the winmobile apps.
Voip. show me one portable device which can do gtalk, yahoo, skype and even gizmo for video?
Windows Mobile has been able to do all of those for a while now... Windows Mobile has a larger homebrew community then Maemo does.

Okay show me any portable device with a 4.13 inch screen which fits in the palm of your hand for 200$.
PSP. Which actually has a 4.2in Screen. The hx4700 can be bought at 200$ as well, and its 4in.

And then 2 memory cards with a combined memory upto 32gb!!
Almost any modern PDA has a SD Card Slot AND a Compact Flash Slot. A Compact Flash Slot has 32GB memory sticks by itself...

The speakers are one of the best in a portable device and then there is fm radio and internet radio which by itself is worth more than anything.
PDA's have FM Radio, Internet Radio, AND Sirus. Which the N800 doesn't have. LOL @ Speakers are best in portable device.

Please for god's sake name any device which can do half of these things at that price point!!

We understand that the n800 has some issues like less memory and crashing apps for that price it is the best device i have ever had. It definitely is lot more worth than the 200$ it is selling for right now.
- PSP
- Asus Eee
- Any Modern PDA
- Sony Sylo
- Any Modern Smartphone

Now you answer my questions.

Can the Nokia N800 play any video without conversion?
Does the N800 have native AD2P and AVCRP support
Does the N800 have good, free PIM software?
Can the N800 be a phone?
Does the N800 have Compact Flash Slot?
Does the N800 have thousands of applications on it?
Does the N800 have a 620mhz Processor with GPU that can play Quake 3 and Call of Duty 2?
Does the N800 have an active community that have done the following
- Turn PDA into iPhone
- HTC Touch Software
- Full Speed Emulators (SNES, NES, Master System)
- Hundreds of free games
Does the N800 have a SDIO Slot can allows the following
- GPS
- Fingerprint Dector
- 4 Megapixel Camera
- iR Scanner
- Barcode Scanner

[sachin007]

Yes the formats i mentioned there are directly playable without conversion and many more. The problem is that you already converted your media to .mp4 and .mp4 is not an industry standard. That is your mistake. You cant expect everyone to use .mp4 just because you converted them. generally when you download videos from the web they are mostly either xvid, avi, flv, divx etc. .mp4 may be given as an option but not the only one.

I used a2dp with avcrp with kaju on my n800. Now you tell me sub 200$ devices with a2dp and avcrp either natively or modded. I dont see any.

The n800 was never released as a mobile phone replacement. If you think so then it is definitely your fault. it is supposed to go along with your phone which nokia expects to have the pim functionality because that is where all the phone numbers will ultimately be used.

No it will never be a phone. Neither does the dell axim. how do you expect something to have a functionality which it was never intended to be??

32 gb is more than enough for a mobile device like the n800. then again please show me a sub 200$ with compact flash with support for more than 32 gb. I am actually ignorant here.

You may have thousands of apps but ultimately you would use only a few hundred which are useful to you. yeah those apps did not come overnight it took literally decades to port them. The n800 is just year now. Even winmo had very less apps initally. This happens with all platforms

Yeah it has a slow processor and ram but for a sub 200$ it is sufficient. Be practicalhere.

Yes it has an active community and you are right in it now. everything need time and patience.

Gps can be done with bluetooth far more practical than slots. it will have its on power and can be used when necesary like in a car.

You mentioned many devices below 200$ but the n800 is a device with all those devices combine with a price tag of 200$.

Now we can go on figting about these two. but please think practically for 200$ did any one else give such a package??

THe eepc is not a portable device please dont compare that to a n800.

[Beni]

Yes the formats i mentioned there are directly playable without conversion and many more. The problem is that you already converted your media to .mp4 and .mp4 is not an industry standard. That is your mistake. You cant expect everyone to use .mp4 just because you converted them. generally when you download videos from the web they are mostly either xvid, avi, flv, divx etc. .mp4 may be given as an option but not the only one.
.mp4 is just a file extension. The codec is MPEG-4. Not to mention that it doesn't play my MPEG-2's nor DivX's. Also, MPEG-4 is standard. So thats hardly an excuse.

I used a2dp with avcrp with kaju on my n800. Now you tell me sub 200$ devices with a2dp and avcrp either natively or modded. I dont see any.
Liar, the n800 doesn't have AVCRP drivers, not to mention that Kagu media player doesn't even support AVCRP since I tried it.. only supports Kagu, thats only if you go to OS2007 (I don't like downgrading) and do alot of extra stuff. Again, most PDA's nowadays are sub 200 and they have A2DP and AVCRP. Heck, any PDA with Bluetooth supports both of those. The Haier MP3 plaer does as well. The Samsung YP Bluetooth does too.

The n800 was never released as a mobile phone replacement. If you think so then it is definitely your fault. it is supposed to go along with your phone which nokia expects to have the pim functionality because that is where all the phone numbers will ultimately be used.
I thought it was "open source". And the "community" would handle it? Even not taking in account for the native PIM software on all Windows Mobile devices, there are more then plenty Third Party offers. PDA's aren't mobile phones either by the way.

32 gb is more than enough for a mobile device like the n800. then again please show me a sub 200$ with compact flash with support for more than 32 gb. I am actually ignorant here.
The PDA I'm buying is only 150$... has Compact Flash Support for Class II, which maxium is FAT32 Maxium , so 32GB. In addition to a SDHC/SD/SDIO slot. Again, 150$.

You may have thousands of apps but ultimately you would use only a few hundred which are useful to you. yeah those apps did not come overnight it took literally decades to port them. The n800 is just year now. Even winmo had very less apps initally. This happens with all platforms
The N800 is a year old, but the N770 is 2 years old. Even if you take account for Windows Mobile 5 and 6 Apps, still way more apps in the same period of time. Just face it, more people have those, so there will be more apps. Heck, even the iPhone is getting more useful stuff.

LOl @ decades

Yeah it has a slow processor and ram but for a sub 200$ it is sufficient. Be practicalhere.
My 150$ PDA (Soon to be anyway) is 624mhz with 64mb of ram..... Compared to 330mhz and 32mb of ram with no usable GPU?

Gps can be done with bluetooth far more practical than slots. it will have its on power and can be used when necesary like in a car.
Uhm, a slot is more practical... just take it out or disable it when you aren't using it. It doesn't have to be on all of the time. Also, seperate power is just a waste of battery money.

Now we can go on figting about these two. but please think practically for 200$ did any one else give such a package??
150$ PDA w/ more stuff...? Besides, I'm not aruging about if the Axim 51v is better. I KNOW its better. I just need some info from people who have already it, or a direct comparasion to the N800.

THe eepc is not a portable device please dont compare that to a n800.
Its portable... not handheld, but its portable.

[sachin007]

i played divx with mplayer. use the latest mplaye x22 or 23. why would u lie???
i could control my playlist with the controls of my bluettoth headset like seeking next track etc with the controls on my headset. i thought that was avcrp. if that was avcrp. please correct me if i am wrong. and as far as i know ur dell x51 also doesnt have A2dp.
yeah the samsung or haier may have a2dp but do they have such a gorgeous screen and web 2.0 web browser.
The idea is to show me a device which has most of the things i mentioned along with the A2dp.

And most of the prices for the dell are about 400 to 500 if not more. if you find a link for a brand new one please let me know. hell i will just buy one to see how it is better than the n800 and then give it to you free if it does things better than the n800.

well for you the eepc may be portable but for me portable means being able to fit one in my pocket.

okay i am going off to bed. so please dont wait for my reply to whatever you post.

[xxM5xx]

Good thread guys.

The Nokia N800 rules over the Dell Axim Pocket PCs. I owned many Dell PPCs and I know first hand where there weak points and strong points are. The N800 has more strong points than the X51V. The weaknesses in the Dells pointed out by others earlier in this thread are correct.

The way the WiFi connectivity is done on the Dells ( Windows mobile OS ) is simply horrible. I was always fooling around trying to connect in hotspots with the Dells, particularly where WEP was involved. The Nokia seemlessly connects to any WiFi cloud with ease.

The 624mhz Dell does have bluetooth also, but with Skype (using a bluletooth headset) there is too much number crunching going on for even the 624mhz cpu to keep up....all that encryption stuff and two radios (802.11 and BT) running just overwhelm the Intel CPU in the Dell. If you are going to use the Dell with Skype you will being doing so with a wired headset.

CoreMedia Player (TCPMP) is incredible for the Dell Axim, but the Dell screen is smaller and lower res. than the N800, and it is very noticeable. Those extra 180 pixels are substantial. The N800 screen is far nicer for watching a video than the Dell screen.

Music playback is excellent on both machines.

WiFi streaming Satellite Radio? I used to listen to XM Radio on the Dell via a third party website. It worked but was a sort of a kludge. On the N800 I listen to Sky.FM streams. If listening to sat. radio over the internet on your pocket device tops your list of needs, then the N800 isn't the machine for you today. If 'any' streaming music will do then Sky.FM or equiv. is there.

There was a quick button press on the Dell for voice memo, it was ergonomically superior to the N800, but with Meamo recorder, voice memos can be made on the Nokia device also. It isn't as instantaneous as on the Dell because you have to launch the app. via the touch screen on the N800, but it works. Also, you have to do a one time install of Maemo recorder (the Dell had it native). I don't see this a s a big deal. In fact, there are many things the Dell comes with standard that you need to add to the N800 after you buy it. That is part of the fun...picking and choosing what you want your N800 to have installed on it. The Windows Mobile is a huge trash barrel of apps. many of which I don't like or don't want to waste my storage with.

Used X51Vs typically sell on eBay for over $300. My N800 was brand new from Buy.com for $229 (less than that now) and the N800 is not a discontinued device like the Dell PPCs.

The N800 has some quirks..... the Dell Axim line had many many more quirks and bugs, some serious ones which caused battery draining unless you performed some clunky work around. Spend any significant time in the AximSite.com forums and you will learn.

Battery life of the N800 far exceeds that of the Dell even if you throttle down the Dell cpu to 400mhz (which was easy to do with the unit thru the OS). If you leave the Intel CPU running at 624mhz ( as I often chose to do ) you need to have multiple batteries to get thru the day, or stay tethered to a charger a large percent of the day.

The N800 is the better machine in most regards, and it will only get better in the months ahead. The Dell peaked a couple years ago, was buggy then and now, it will not improve at all. The Dells are very much on the downslope.

You should not disregard the matter of the two SD slots in the N800. The Dell storage capability cannot compare.

The N800 is the better choice today if one were to have to choose between the X51V and the Nokia in my opinion.

Dell stopped making pocket pc's some time ago. Dell is selling the Nokia N800 on the Dell website today.

M5

[peterjb31]

All tablets have 128MB of ram compared to the 32MB you claimed. Therefore your boast about 64MB of ram is nothing. Also bear in mind you can add 128MB as a swap partition giving you a total of 256MB of temp memory.

[MstPrgmr]

There are NO 32GB compact flash cards on the market. The biggest is currently 16GB, same as full sized SD cards. Both support FAT32 @ 32GB, but it just isn't out yet. Even 16GB cards for both are pretty expensive.

[Karel Jansens]

CoreMedia Player (TCPMP) is incredible for the Dell Axim, but the Dell screen is smaller and lower res. than the N800, and it is very noticeable. Those extra 180 pixels are substantial. The N800 screen is far nicer for watching a video than the Dell screen.

Hm. Doesn't TCPMP address the Dell's full resolution? Sure, the N800 has a wider screen, but with video at a practical limit of 400x240, it's only slightly better than my 320x240 Archos PMA430 (it does make a substantial difference for widescreen videos).

I agree with your other points though.


Dell stopped making pocket pc's some time ago. Dell is selling the Nokia N800 on the Dell website today.

M5Now that's funny.

[Beni]

The Nokia N800 rules over the Dell Axim Pocket PCs. I owned many Dell PPCs and I know first hand where there weak points and strong points are. The N800 has more strong points than the X51V. The weaknesses in the Dells pointed out by others earlier in this thread are correct.
Such as?

The way the WiFi connectivity is done on the Dells ( Windows mobile OS ) is simply horrible. I was always fooling around trying to connect in hotspots with the Dells, particularly where WEP was involved. The Nokia seemlessly connects to any WiFi cloud with ease.
Yes, using the default drivers. If you install the Broadcom drivers, its as good as the N800.

The 624mhz Dell does have bluetooth also, but with Skype (using a bluletooth headset) there is too much number crunching going on for even the 624mhz cpu to keep up....all that encryption stuff and two radios (802.11 and BT) running just overwhelm the Intel CPU in the Dell. If you are going to use the Dell with Skype you will being doing so with a wired headset.
Unfair comparasion. Since you can't use a Bluetooth Headset on the N800 *at all*.

CoreMedia Player (TCPMP) is incredible for the Dell Axim, but the Dell screen is smaller and lower res. than the N800, and it is very noticeable. Those extra 180 pixels are substantial. The N800 screen is far nicer for watching a video than the Dell screen.
When has the N800 been capable of full 800 vs. 480, heck, even 640 X 480?

There was a quick button press on the Dell for voice memo, it was ergonomically superior to the N800, but with Meamo recorder, voice memos can be made on the Nokia device also. It isn't as instantaneous as on the Dell because you have to launch the app. via the touch screen on the N800, but it works. Also, you have to do a one time install of Maemo recorder (the Dell had it native). I don't see this a s a big deal. In fact, there are many things the Dell comes with standard that you need to add to the N800 after you buy it. That is part of the fun...picking and choosing what you want your N800 to have installed on it. The Windows Mobile is a huge trash barrel of apps. many of which I don't like or don't want to waste my storage with.
Maemo also has alot of pointless apps as well. Its the same with any OS. You possibly cannot like every application available on a OS. You can also "pick" a choose out of a BIGGER collection on the Windows Mobile PPC.

Used X51Vs typically sell on eBay for over $300. My N800 was brand new from Buy.com for $229 (less than that now) and the N800 is not a discontinued device like the Dell PPCs.
Mine is refurbished for 150$.

Battery life of the N800 far exceeds that of the Dell even if you throttle down the Dell cpu to 400mhz (which was easy to do with the unit thru the OS). If you leave the Intel CPU running at 624mhz ( as I often chose to do ) you need to have multiple batteries to get thru the day, or stay tethered to a charger a large percent of the day.
No, The Axim lasts 4 hours on a full charge with the default battery with WiFi on. The N800 only lasts about 3 and a half hours with full brightness as well. Windows Mobile 5 has better power saving tools. So this is incorrect. Battery life is better on Windows Mobile. Not to mention that there are more accesories and you can get a 3800mAh battery, which would TRIPLE the battery life for about 20$. Can't do that on N800. So your battery issue is irrelevant.

All tablets have 128MB of ram compared to the 32MB you claimed. Therefore your boast about 64MB of ram is nothing. Also bear in mind you can add 128MB as a swap partition giving you a total of 256MB of temp memory.
128 of ram and it still runs that slow? Wow... unefficient coding? You can have a 1GB swap (possibly more) on Windows Mobiles. So I guess 1.1GB of ram vs. 256?

There are NO 32GB compact flash cards on the market. The biggest is currently 16GB, same as full sized SD cards. Both support FAT32 @ 32GB, but it just isn't out yet. Even 16GB cards for both are pretty expensive.
Compact Flash > SD anyways. N800 doesn't support SDIO.

The N800 is the better machine in most regards, and it will only get better in the months ahead. The Dell peaked a couple years ago, was buggy then and now, it will not improve at all. The Dells are very much on the downslope.
How is it a better machine actually? From what I have seen, the Axim is very good, and still have unofficial support. Not to mention that Dell will support them until 08. The N800 have virtually nonexistent virtual support. How many official apps do you see? Compare to WM and you see.

The N800 is the better choice today if one were to have to choose between the X51V and the Nokia in my opinion.

Dell stopped making pocket pc's some time ago. Dell is selling the Nokia N800 on the Dell website today.

M5
Well of course. If you want to compare to a 2007/08 PDA. The modern PDA's would completely overkill the n800. Some have 256MB of ram, 800 x480 (Videos work perfectly), 700mhz, Bluetooth 2.0, gps, fingerprint detection, WM6. Wouldn't even be fair to compare. Besides, I want a x51v anyways.

I'll come back when the N900 is out and hopefully its better. There is a reason that WM Smartphones sells more then Nokia "Smartphones"

[Moonshine]

WOW is this wrong.

I do OWN both an Axim x50v and a N800. I have used the Axim for years with WM2003se, WM5 and WM6. It will be gone after my ebay auction this weekend.

A) The Axim's wifi is NOT as good as the Nokia period. Broadcom driver or not. You start Wifi on the Axim (regardless of "powersave" mode) and you literally start the battery self destruct timer. "powersave" or "auto" also comes at the cost of transfer rate and signal strength on the Axim. You can leave the Nokia on for DAYS with wifi active and accessable.

B) Bluetooth headsets work fine in OS2008, I've been using one all week.

C) Battery life is probably the BIGGEST difference between the two. Put an Axim on with Wifi/BT and max brightness and you might as well start walking toward the wall socket, trust me. That's why they make monster 3rd party batteries with new doors for the Axims. God forbid you play some high end video that gets the CPU smoking, it better be a 90 minute comedy.

D) Other then ruggidness, SDHC is superior to CF in every way.

E) You will be purchasing a broswer replacement and Coreplayer within the first week.

F) You can have as much SWAP as you want in Maemo if you have any linux knowledge. Of course if you have that knowledge you also know that there is a practical limit to how useful it is to jack it up to 1GB.

F) I'm off to the bar for happy hour, but the list could go on and on. The Axim is not a horrible piece of tech, or I wouldn't have bought it! But now that you've made your (IMO poor) choice then you might as well move on to Aximsite where there are tons WM Sheeple that want to hear this stuff. Honestly when you pick "faults" of the n800 like wifi, battery life, bt headset, etc you're not going to convince anyone here.

[GeneralAntilles]

Unfair comparasion. Since you can't use a Bluetooth Headset on the N800 *at all*.

Now that's just incorrect. You can (and I have) use Bluetooth headsets with both the N800 and the N810.

[Beni]

A) The Axim's wifi is NOT as good as the Nokia period. Broadcom driver or not. You start Wifi on the Axim (regardless of "powersave" mode) and you literally start the battery self destruct timer. "powersave" or "auto" also comes at the cost of transfer rate and signal strength on the Axim. You can leave the Nokia on for DAYS with wifi active and accessable.
Have you tried the Broadcom Drivers? Also, the x51v fixes these issues. So its irrelevant.

B) Bluetooth headsets work fine in OS2008, I've been using one all week.
Ok, how about AD2P, and AVCRP? Thats what I thought.

C) Battery life is probably the BIGGEST difference between the two. Put an Axim on with Wifi/BT and max brightness and you might as well start walking toward the wall socket, trust me. That's why they make monster 3rd party batteries with new doors for the Axims. God forbid you play some high end video that gets the CPU smoking, it better be a 90 minute comedy.
on the x51v, battery lasts 4 hours with battery maxium and bluetooth and WiFi on... the N800 lasts 3 and a half hours with full brightness and WiFi on alone.

D) Other then ruggidness, SDHC is superior to CF in every way.
No it isn't

E) You will be purchasing a broswer replacement and Coreplayer within the first week.
No I won't. I will be getting free opera mini and a codec pack. Also, I couldn't really care less about mobile web browsing to begin with. You couldn't do anything productive with the N800, nor the x51v webbrowsers (by itself). I have a laptop for that.

F) You can have as much SWAP as you want in Maemo if you have any linux knowledge. Of course if you have that knowledge you also know that there is a practical limit to how useful it is to jack it up to 1GB.
Tell me how to make it 1GB (The swap). Since you have so much "linux knowledge".

Honestly when you pick "faults" of the n800 like wifi, battery life, bt headset, etc you're not going to convince anyone here.
Hmm, x51v has better bluetooth drivers, longer battery life (assuming no movies or games). and equal Wifi. If anything, all the N800 has is a better antenna, which is irrelevant for me since Dallas has city wide WiFi, and I have a 800 meter antenna on my router. So I get 5 bars virtually everywhere near my house.

[ch8xy]

>> You couldn't do anything productive with the N800, nor the x51v webbrowsers<<

Now that's just crazy talk!. N800 has become my default tool for Web browsing. In fact, I am currently lying on my sofa writing this reply (using the soft keyboard). I haven't touched my laptop for well over a week now!

[Beni]

>> You couldn't do anything productive with the N800, nor the x51v webbrowsers<<

Now that's just crazy talk!. N800 has become my default tool for Web browsing. In fact, I am currently lying on my sofa writing this reply (using the soft keyboard). I haven't touched my laptop for well over a week now!
How long did it take you to type that response? How long it took me to type this response on my laptop? 5 seconds. You? Probably around 30 seconds at least.

Also, typing on some forums isn't productive.

[ch8xy]

Are you really that crazy? I know life is short, but who cares about 30 seconds vs. 5?! Maybe you, but I would like to live longer, thank you! BTW, I do all my banking on N800, not to mention online buying and selling (ebay, amaon, buy.com...). I read and write company emails. These are all "productive" activities in my book, but of course you might be from Mars...

[Beni]

Are you really that crazy? I know life is short, but who cares about 30 seconds vs. 5?! Maybe you, but I would like to live longer, thank you! BTW, I do all my banking on N800, not to mention online buying and selling (ebay, amaon, buy.com...). I read and write company emails. These are all "productive" activities in my book, but of course you might be from Mars...
Thats fun doing those things. I'll do it on a laptop where its actually secure. Since well, 802.11 WiFi can be hacked pretty easily. I'll stick to my desktop, or (if need be, my laptop or pda/n800).

[ch8xy]

What are you bragging about? I too have a laptop--no, actually two. I see it as a plus to have my N800 in my pocket (much like a Swiss army knife), not a minus.

[Beni]

What are you bragging about? I too have a laptop--no, actually two. I see it as a plus to have my N800 in my pocket (much like a Swiss army knife), not a minus.
When was I bragging? What exactly is the advantage of doing "online banking" and "ebay" on a N800 versus a laptop? Anything with internet can do that. Heck, even my DS with Opera Browser can do that. So well, nothing special. Its not n800 exclusive.

[johnkzin]

the N800 lasts 3 and a half hours with full brightness and WiFi on alone.


Sorry, but you're wrong. My N800 routinely gets 5 or 6 hours of active use.

[barry99705]

Someone put this "my god is better than your god" thread out of it's misery.

[Beni]

Someone put this "my god is better than your god" thread out of it's misery.
actually I don't own one, though I do know someone who does.

[Beni]

I've owned an X50v for quite a while. For video (using TCPMP -- now Coreplayer) it's amazing with its accellerated Intel chip. Yes, better then the N8xx. But other then that ,I'll be glad to get rid of it once my eBay auction ends. Battery life is really poor, especially if Wifi is on (god forbid) or an app is running the CPU much. It makes me laugh thinking about having my n800 online and available for days.

Also in the world of Windows Mobile you also end up paying for apps more often then not. There are decent free apps, but they are the exception. I still use Windows Mobile via my phone (Moto Q) but other then that, I'm glad to be done.
Again, how is 4 hours bad? Thats the same as the N800? Are you sure you know what you are talking about?

[Beni]

Sorry, but you're wrong. My N800 routinely gets 5 or 6 hours of active use.
Impressive. A x51v can get 16 hours with a 300mAh battery.

[johnkzin]

Impressive. A x51v can get 16 hours with a 300mAh battery.

Didn't you just say yours lasts 4 hours?

Shifting goal posts much?

[Beni]

Didn't you just say yours lasts 4 hours?

Shifting goal posts much?
4 Hours with the default 1000mAh battery. 3300mAh lasts about 14 to 16 hours. Depending on brightness and etc.

[Moonshine]

Unreal... Soon enough you will experience all the glory the Axim and WM5/6 has to offer. When it doesn't last for 16 hours on 300mAh (doing what?), reality will start to set in. Based on my experience (with the slightly less efficient x50v) that sounds about right for the discharge current for the sytem in standby given WM5 or 6. They aren't selling 2200mAh batteries for the Axims because people need 112 hours of *use* ! Regardless of what you think about the Nokia lineup this should be a good lesson.

[Beni]

Unreal... Soon enough you will experience all the glory the Axim and WM5/6 has to offer. When it doesn't last for 16 hours on 300mAh (doing what?), reality will start to set in. Based on my experience (with the slightly less efficient x50v) that sounds about right for the discharge current for the sytem in standby given WM5 or 6. They aren't selling 2200mAh batteries for the Axims because people need 112 hours of *use* ! Regardless of what you think about the Nokia lineup this should be a good lesson.
Actually, its 16 Hours with full brightness and normal "usage" about 10 hours with WiFi, and 9 hours on a video (640 x 480) on a loop.

Pretty impressive. Though, I'll get a 1100. The fact that the n800 has no PIM, or Calendar, or To-Do, or anything management software kills it for me. Not to mention its horrible video support and lack of apps and games :(.

Goodbye world! I'll see if the N900 is good when it comes out probably next year. Perhaps I'll pick up another n800 when its 100$ bargin bin like the n770.

[ch8xy]

>>What exactly is the advantage of doing "online banking" and "ebay" on a N800 versus a laptop?<<

No, no real advantage. If I can put my laptop in my pocket whereever I go, I wouldn't have wasted money on a N800.

This shall be my last chat with you, my friend. I can see that you are in a defiant mood today; nothing people say will satisfy you. Or perhaps you forgot to take your medicine today?

[Moonshine]

Do you even realize you said 300mAh rather then 3300mAh by this point? I hope you got the "input" you were looking for, but now I know it's time to to leave this thread.

[Beni]

>>What exactly is the advantage of doing "online banking" and "ebay" on a N800 versus a laptop?<<

No, no real advantage. If I can put my laptop in my pocket whereever I go, I wouldn't have wasted money on a N800.

This shall be my last chat with you, my friend. I can see that you are in a defiant mood today; nothing people say will satisfy you. Or perhaps you forgot to take your medicine today?
Goodbye to both of you then :D

[sachin007]

we enjoy the n800 and u enjoy your dell. now evry one is happy. lets stop it here

[Beni]

we enjoy the n800 and u enjoy your dell. now evry one is happy. lets stop it here
I had an N800 as well so, yeah.

[rickh]

I had an N800 as well so, yeah.
Beni,

The previous response hit it... just be happy with your Axim. As it stands, all you come across as trying to do is incite a respose contrary to your belief.

Good luck with your Axim. Many people are happy with the N8x0 also. accept it.

Don't be a tool.

R.
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[Beni]

Beni,

The previous response hit it... just be happy with your Axim. As it stands, all you come across as trying to do is incite a respose contrary to your belief.

Good luck with your Axim. Many people are happy with the N8x0 also. accept it.

Don't be a tool.

R.
==
When did I say that people weren't happy with their N800's and N810's?

[xxM5xx]

The Dell X51V isn't the machine you think it is, but you keep right on thinking what you wish.

[Beni]

The Dell X51V isn't the machine you think it is, but you keep right on thinking what you wish.
Do you have one?

[xxM5xx]

Read back in the thread.. it was all stated already.

[Beni]

I already responded to all of your points. So I guess you concede.

[xxM5xx]

I already responded to all of your points. So I guess you concede.

LOL.... right.

[Beni]

LOL.... right.
Then prove me wrong :D.

[YoDude]

BTW, you're not gonna be running Opera Mini for free unless you have a JVM loaded. Then it is single task with no support for MIME types.
Opera does make a WinMo browser dude... but it ain't free. Nothing good for WinMo is free unless it is crippleware. :)

About the only plus with WinMo is that because of its large userbase and time in market, pirated software is now available...
That is if you like stuff that is 1 or 2 versions old and has a nasty habit of hanging...
Another feature that the tablets don't have though is soft reset... you will get to know that real well with a PPC because you will use it a couple of times each day. :)

[Beni]

BTW, you're not gonna be running Opera Mini for free unless you have a JVM loaded. Then it is single task with no support for MIME types.
Opera does make a WinMo browser dude... but it ain't free. Nothing good for WinMo is free unless it is crippleware.
So? The Internet Tablet isn't free... most good things are not free. If I was desperate enough, I could pirate the software, though I wouldn't do that If I had money to spend since I'm too lazy to find and keygens and whatnot;.

About the only plus with WinMo is that because of its large userbase and time in market, pirated software is now available...
That is if you like stuff that is 1 or 2 versions old and has a nasty habit of hanging...
Another feature that the tablets don't have though is soft reset... you will get to know that real well with a PPC because you will use it a couple of times each day.
Why is that? a 3300mAh battery lasts 14 to 16 hours with standard use. Heck, I'm not even awake that long.

[yani]

OK people, stop feeding the troll. That unfortunately is exactly what Beni is. Why trolls enjoy being trolls is beyond me.

[Beni]

OK people, stop feeding the troll. That unfortunately is exactly what Beni is. Why trolls enjoy being trolls is beyond me.
Do you even know what a troll is? It is impossible for me to be a troll since I am the one who created this thread. Trolls to go other threads and de-rail them. So, well, you are wrong. To put it bluntly.

[dblank]

Do you even know what a troll is? It is impossible for me to be a troll since I am the one who created this thread. Trolls to go other threads and de-rail them. So, well, you are wrong. To put it bluntly.

I do, I do!!

From Wikipedia:
"An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who intentionally posts controversial or contrary messages in an on-line community such as an on-line discussion forum or group with the singular intention of baiting users into an argumentative response.[1] It often has a broader meaning referring to any shady trouble making Internet activity."

I'd say that's pretty much the standard definition.

[Beni]

I do, I do!!

From Wikipedia:
"An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who intentionally posts controversial or contrary messages in an on-line community such as an on-line discussion forum or group with the singular intention of baiting users into an argumentative response.[1] It often has a broader meaning referring to any shady trouble making Internet activity."

I'd say that's pretty much the standard definition.
And as you can see I am not.

[GeneralAntilles]

And as you can see I am not.

Bollocks! You fit the exact definition of a troll. :)

[Beni]

Bollocks! You fit the exact definition of a troll. :)
Ah, then point me to the posts where I am "trolling". If anyone is trolling, its you guys who are claiming that I am a troll. :D

[sachin007]

Hey beni....... can i have your picture???
Just that the wikipedia page for a troll does'nt have a picture!!!

[PLeBlanc]

I hate to say it, but Beni isn't the one who comes across as trolling. He has read Axim specs, and he's comparing it to the reality he has in his n800. When he has the Axim, he will probably see it differently, but theoretical specs vs hard cold n800 reality, that's what he is looking at.

You guys attacking him and acting rude and dimissive doesn't make this forum look better. He's one guy acting rude, but there are several of you who have responded in kind.

If your (and my and Beni's) n800 is so much better, then you shouldn't need to be defensive or dismissive. If someone wants to *hope* that another device they don't own yet will solve their problems, why is that any skin off of your nose?

And for an n800 owner to post this thread here seems as worthwhile as if he had posted in the aximsite forums.

(full disclosure, I've had winCE and winmobile devices for the last decade, including an Axim, and I despise wince/winmobile. 7% battery drain per day in standby, ugh. That's part of why I am so impressed with the n800, and why I read these forums. But you guys could do better in keeping the fan-boy aspects down.)

[Beni]

The N800 has good battery life. Main reason I want a Axim is because it has alot of really good PIM programs. I'll buy a N800 again when its cheaper though. How long does it take for the WinCE devices to boot from complete shutdown.

I never left my N800 in standby, I always just turned it off completely, so I guess I won't have to worry about battery drain and what not. I heard WM5 has really good battery management (At least compared to WinCE 2003/02 anyways)

[ch8xy]

Hey PLeBlanc:No offense, but you should have re-read the thread before posting. Do you honestly believe someone who stated that one could not do anything "productive" with a n800?

[lad]

Obviously people here have important uses for the N800 - like the sys admin guys.

If biz/win. apps are such a priority, then you'd still want a keyboard, I would think.

If handheld web browsing isn't such a priority, then the Tablets shouldn't be the first place one would look. People keep comparing them to PDAs and Phones. The EEEs may be quite capable, and even briefcase-able, but definitely NOT shirt-pocketable and handheld-able! :)

I have a laptop too, but I still don't like packing, lugging, unpacking, booting, and waiting on it, etc. Give me an instant-on, shirt-pocket device for instant web access (that I can also incidently make Gizmo calls and eBay bids on).

BTW, I just showed my N800 to my Apple True Believer friend (who has a G5, laptop and touch). He was impressed enough to start looking for a good price on one. The screen is what sold him, I think.

[Beni]

Hey PLeBlanc:No offense, but you should have re-read the thread before posting. Do you honestly believe someone who stated that one could not do anything "productive" with a n800?
What exactly could you do on the N800 thats productive, that you couldn't do on a PDA, or a anything with a internet browser and SIP?

I have a laptop too, but I still don't like packing, lugging, unpacking, booting, and waiting on it, etc. Give me an instant-on, shirt-pocket device for instant web access (that I can also incidently make Gizmo calls and eBay bids on).
Get a instant on laptop :). You can make ebay bids on anything with a internet browser btw.

[ch8xy]

Sorry, pal. I said no more chat with you. My suggestion is for you to re-read the thread.

[Beni]

Sorry, pal. I said no more chat with you. My suggestion is for you to re-read the thread.
I already responded to your other posts. If you concede them get out :)

[ch8xy]

Sorry, no - more - chat.

[dick-richardson]

What exactly could you do on the N800 thats productive, that you couldn't do on a PDA, or a anything with a internet browser and SIP?


Unless I misread something...the quote you referenced indicated your position that the n800 couldn't do_anything_productive...now you're stating that it's as productive as something with a web browser and SIP. Please clarify. The IT's ARE a web browser and SIP...that's kinda the point.

To address that question (productivity outside of a web browser and SIP), you get all the functionality you want as you have an open platform for development. What you don't get is the packaged 'out-of-the-box' experience of an iPhone, Axim, or Palm PDA. If the apps you want are easily available on another platform, and you have little need for shell scripting or the like...cool.

[Beni]

Sorry, no - more - chat.
Good riddance then :D


Anyways, I wonder if my 8GB SDHC will work.. hmmm.

[ch8xy]

No more... chat.

[rickh]

No more... chat.
Just add him to your ignore list. You'll no longer see his posts once you do.

R.
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[ch8xy]

Good idea. Thanks!

[Beni]

Just add him to your ignore list. You'll no longer see his posts once you do.

R.
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Wondering why he never did that to begin with instead of keeping on saying "no more chat" lol... Anyway, putting people on ignore lists are for the weak :(

[lad]

Get a instant on laptop

Still holding out for the instant-pack-n-unpack, instant-cafe-table-clearing laptop (that is also shirt pocket-able!) ;)

[DemonBob]

I sold my Dell X51, after 3 firmware upgrades the battery drain issue was still not fixed. Even with the broadcom drivers, 3 new batterys, a single battery never lasted over 2.5 hours.

You can say all you want about the Axim, but untill you use it, and have to do a softreset on it 2~5 times daily because it didn't like you opening up more then 2 apps. You just don't know the pain. Also you cannot get WM6 for the Dell X51 unless you uses a Hacked Illegal copy, since as far as i know Dell has not released, and will not release an update for it.

I did the same thing as you, read the specs, debated, and made my choice of the Axim, the hardware is good hardware....but the OS is where it craps out majorly. I finally got rid of it because of that fact.

Hell my work phone is a Moto Q, and even though i love it, it is still a pain in the ***. It WOSD on me about once a day, this is after 2 new phones, and all the firmware updates. I'll just say this again, It's not the hardware your not going to like. It's the OS

[Beni]

I sold my Dell X51, after 3 firmware upgrades the battery drain issue was still not fixed. Even with the broadcom drivers, 3 new batterys, a single battery never lasted over 2.5 hours.

You can say all you want about the Axim, but untill you use it, and have to do a softreset on it 2~5 times daily because it didn't like you opening up more then 2 apps. You just don't know the pain. Also you cannot get WM6 for the Dell X51 unless you uses a Hacked Illegal copy, since as far as i know Dell has not released, and will not release an update for it.

I did the same thing as you, read the specs, debated, and made my choice of the Axim, the hardware is good hardware....but the OS is where it craps out majorly. I finally got rid of it because of that fact.

Hell my work phone is a Moto Q, and even though i love it, it is still a pain in the ***. It WOSD on me about once a day, this is after 2 new phones, and all the firmware updates. I'll just say this again, It's not the hardware your not going to like. It's the OS
Were you running WM5? Most of the other sites say the battery lasts 6 hours with "normal usage" (20% brightness, no wifi, bluetooth, or video/graphic intense stuff)

[MoridinBG]

Am I the only one who thniks that Beni is just trolling around?
At least ten people pointed to him why is the Axim not a better device than N800, but his God is still better than ours. 16 hours on 3300mA? Come on man... DO this mean that I could get 8 hours with mine 2200mAh?
In fact I almost could. Playing MP3s on blanked screen and lowered CPU. I got 6 or 7 hours. That with no BT/WiFi switched on, latest official ROM (A12 I think) and some community supplied patches. This is the device that made me the habit to brin an AC adapter along the two batteries with me.

And the biggest point about Broadcomm firmware... This is as much a hack as enabling AD2P and the other (excuse me, for two years with various devices I have used BT no more than 2 hours, so I don't know the terms) A*** something thing. The default Microsoft stack couldn't even pair with my GPS?!

I think I already stated it, but in the best case WM is dualtasking, if even not multitasking. I know, you will jump to say "I am using xxx, yyy, zzz and www programs right now".

WM is obsolete. It has been such for some years. Microsoft admits that. The user community admits that. Codename Photon is planned for Q1 or Q2 of 2008 and should bring the refresh needed for the last 3 or 4 years. But how long it would take it to appear on devices? Then how long would it take it to the developers to start building apps for the new platform? And Maemo has started gaining it's momentum long time ago.

So in summary use your obsolete device, with it glitches, worship it as the best piece of consumer electronics ever sold and let us die silently "struggling" with the Maemo platform.

P.S. Be prepared for the next wave of trolling!

[xxM5xx]

Beni was / is in need of penpals. Nuff said.

[virx14]

I upgraded my Axim X50v to N800 and I do like N800 much more (my wife has my old x50v now). I can understand though that if you need mostly PIM, then X50v or any WinMobile based device would be a better choice.

I do have an extended battery for X50v and in my experience battery life in N800 with wifi on is much better than on X50v even with extended battery. However it is not too important for me because I did not see much point in enabling wifi on x50v - browsers available for x50v just suck and I did not bother trying to surf on x50v most of the time.

Over the 3 years I used my X50v I bought a few application, but all the functionality I got is available for free on Maemo: omweather lets me download/preview weather, maemo browser is way better than commercial opera, and maemo interface does not need third-party desktop managers I had to buy for x50v to hide ugliness of WinMobile. I never could find a free map software for WinMobile such as MaemoMapper and I could not justify wasting $200+ for mapping software I do not really need that much. I never could find an email client for WinMobile which could connect to my home IMAP server where I have a couple dozen of folders with few thousand messages in each, and claws mail on maemo does it just fine.

Bottom line is - you like WinMobile device - go for it, but there is no point in trying to convince it is better for everyone. We have been there, done that and know that it is not for us.

[JeffElkins]

I sold my Axim X50v and was happy to bid good riddance to the execrable Windows Mobile OS. As a device it was OK, but it's a shame I wasn't able to replace the OS with a stable Linux. That situation may have changed, I haven't checked in a long time.

[Karel Jansens]

I sold my Axim X50v and was happy to bid good riddance to the execrable Windows Mobile OS. As a device it was OK, but it's a shame I wasn't able to replace the OS with a stable Linux. That situation may have changed, I haven't checked in a long time.

Nah. They're still listed under limited compatibility for Linux.

[Beni]

Am I the only one who thniks that Beni is just trolling around?
At least ten people pointed to him why is the Axim not a better device than N800, but his God is still better than ours. 16 hours on 3300mA? Come on man... DO this mean that I could get 8 hours with mine 2200mAh?
Reviews say that even with the 1100mAh battery, you can get 6 hours of battery life with standard usage. I have a source if you like... a 3300mAh battery is 3 times that.. so 14 to 18. So I'd say 16 average.

And the biggest point about Broadcomm firmware... This is as much a hack as enabling AD2P and the other (excuse me, for two years with various devices I have used BT no more than 2 hours, so I don't know the terms) A*** something thing. The default Microsoft stack couldn't even pair with my GPS?!
Dunno, was your GPS bluetooth? If so, it should've paired nicely, but I dunno.

I think I already stated it, but in the best case WM is dualtasking, if even not multitasking. I know, you will jump to say "I am using xxx, yyy, zzz and www programs right now".
Which device were you using?

WM is obsolete. It has been such for some years. Microsoft admits that. The user community admits that. Codename Photon is planned for Q1 or Q2 of 2008 and should bring the refresh needed for the last 3 or 4 years. But how long it would take it to appear on devices? Then how long would it take it to the developers to start building apps for the new platform? And Maemo has started gaining it's momentum long time ago.
Is WM is obsolete, are you saying Maemo is "better"? That must be a joke. I'm not saying its better or worse, I'd say its on the same tier.

So in summary use your obsolete device, with it glitches, worship it as the best piece of consumer electronics ever sold and let us die silently "struggling" with the Maemo platform.
When did I say Maemo is bad? You people really like being ignorant. *sigh*.

I upgraded my Axim X50v to N800 and I do like N800 much more (my wife has my old x50v now). I can understand though that if you need mostly PIM, then X50v or any WinMobile based device would be a better choice.
True

I do have an extended battery for X50v and in my experience battery life in N800 with wifi on is much better than on X50v even with extended battery. However it is not too important for me because I did not see much point in enabling wifi on x50v - browsers available for x50v just suck and I did not bother trying to surf on x50v most of the time.
The N800 has much better battery options yes. Not all the WM browsers are bad. PIE sucks though. Alot.

Over the 3 years I used my X50v I bought a few application, but all the functionality I got is available for free on Maemo: omweather lets me download/preview weather, maemo browser is way better than commercial opera, and maemo interface does not need third-party desktop managers I had to buy for x50v to hide ugliness of WinMobile.
Weather is free on WM too? Maemo Browser is Opera... unless you are talking about OS2008 which is Mozilla Browser, which sucks. (Compared to Opera). Maemo wasn't that good looking to me, and neither is WM. (Both look like "crap" to me).

. I never could find a free map software for WinMobile such as MaemoMapper and I could not justify wasting $200+ for mapping software I do not really need that much. I never could find an email client for WinMobile which could connect to my home IMAP server where I have a couple dozen of folders with few thousand messages in each, and claws mail on maemo does it just fine.
Doesn't WM have a built in Mail client? Even so, there are plenty of mail clients. Claws Mail sucks because it doesn't open automatically and there is no way to have built in intergration. Whats the point of mail if you have to manually open the thing? Might as well just go to the Web Mail client. The built in mail client on the N800 was more then enough for me.

Bottom line is - you like WinMobile device - go for it, but there is no point in trying to convince it is better for everyone. We have been there, done that and know that it is not for us.
Thats not what this thread is about anyways. I never asked anyone of you to come in this thread. So you guys knew what to expect. So don't complain <_<

[MoridinBG]

I think I already said which devices I had used. In short here is my signature from another forum:
Dell Axim X5 + 1GB SD => iPaq rx3115 + 1GB SD => Dell Axim X30Mid + 2GB SD => Loox610BT => Dell Axim X51v + 2GB CF => Nokia N800 + 2GB SD => Toshiba Portege 3500 ТabletPC => Gigabyte U60 UMPC + 2GB SD + USB FLoppy

And about that "Reviews say that".... Dude. I say that 6 hours is impossible. And I had been using the device for hmm... 8 months.
6 hours would be possible at 208Mhz, blanked screen with ocasional switching the playlist and only MP3 playing.

[ch8xy]

Beni stated on this page:
>>When did I say Maemo is bad? You people really like being ignorant.<<

Compare p.2 #6, where he stated:
"Maemo has really been crappy IMO. I could say the same thing about what you have said and apply it to Maemo. Being "open source" is irrelevant really when its being crappy."

[PLeBlanc]

Ch8xy, I thought you said no... more... talk... (laughing with you, not at you, BTW, I also promised myself not to post again. I'd have only 1 post in this thread, i promised me.)

Beni, i know stats are seductive, but before you spend your $$$ I wonder if you can get a trial run, because these other folks who have had the device don't seem to agree with the specs. I realize (because I do the same) how seductive superior specs can be, and you just have to see for yourself, but maybe you can get a hands on first?

Is there someone on the Aximsite board who might have one near you?

[Beni]

Beni stated on this page:
>>When did I say Maemo is bad? You people really like being ignorant.<<

Compare p.2 #6, where he stated:
"Maemo has really been crappy IMO. I could say the same thing about what you have said and apply it to Maemo. Being "open source" is irrelevant really when its being crappy."
I guess you missed the "IMO" part eh?

[Beni]

I think I already said which devices I had used. In short here is my signature from another forum:


And about that "Reviews say that".... Dude. I say that 6 hours is impossible. And I had been using the device for hmm... 8 months.
6 hours would be possible at 208Mhz, blanked screen with ocasional switching the playlist and only MP3 playing.
Professional reviews or some guy on the internet... hmm?

[mooler]

This is the most ridiculous and humorous debate I have ever seen or read in a forum setting. :D Don't ask me why. It just is.

[ch8xy]

PLeBlanc,
Beni disappeared for a while before my last post, so I thought why not give the discussion a proper closure. I guess that was a mistake:(

[MoridinBG]

Trust whoever you want. I am not tring to make somebody buy or not buy something. I am just sharing my experience. And this couldn't be said for the "professional" reviews.