View Full Version : Modest Beta for OS2008 Now Out
zerojay
12-11-2007, 05:02 PM
The first public beta of the Modest E-mail client has been released today. You can find it at http://modest.garage.maemo.org/
Remember, it's a beta and it probably does not actually replace the built-in e-mail client yet as it will when it will be finished.
Enjoy.
Rebski
12-11-2007, 05:42 PM
Thanks for this. It is good to see the option of Removable Memory Card. It always seemed daft to have email stored in system memory.
Presently I have to manually move the mails to the Inbox/Sent folder on the Card, maybe in time there can be a Settings option to make this an automatic process, do you think?
Reggie
12-11-2007, 06:04 PM
Rumored to be the app that will replace the out-of-the-box internet tablet email application, Modest for OS2008 is now out in beta.Modest is a small e-mail program targeting hardware with modest resources, such as low-end PCs and Nokia N800/N810 internet tablets. Modest uses the Tinymail e-mail framework.Modest supports multiple email accounts using POP/IMAP/SMTP and works far better than the current buggy email app. It currently cannot be set as the default email client and menus are only in English as of the moment. Read Jonathan Greene's thoughts on Modest over at MaemoApps. Visit Modest's official dev page.Read the full article. (http://www.internettablettalk.com/2007/12/11/modest-beta-for-os2008-now-out/)
aflegg
12-11-2007, 06:23 PM
Can anyone say whether it fixes the broken quoting of the built-in app?
https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=203
mobiledivide
12-11-2007, 06:37 PM
I've been using this application for a couple of weeks with gmail imap and it really works quite well. A few issues I have had are failure to startup when clicking a notification of new email where I had to 'kill' modest and then restart it but thats about it. This email program is probably my biggest reason to buy a N810 instead of an E61 or some other full qwerty device for business use.
jer006
12-11-2007, 06:40 PM
Will modest ever be available on OS2007 - it looks great but i have a 770 running OS2007HE?
andymulhearn
12-11-2007, 06:50 PM
Will modest ever be available on OS2007 - it looks great but i have a 770 running OS2007HE?
I'll second that question.
zerojay
12-11-2007, 07:15 PM
No, I think you'll have to hope for OS2008HE for that.
Aargh Modest beta is really buggy, almost unusable.
Great news! I'm just afraid my email accounts have grown to fat to be handled by any tablet email client, with Modest choking on folders with tens of thousands of messages.
I guess this means back to Gmail plain html view. It's really funny how HTTP seems to be the better IMAP. :)
Looks good, and is responsive. But it seems to lack folder subscription management - without that, it won't replace claws in any corporate setting, as there is no access to shared or public folders.
YoDude
12-11-2007, 08:55 PM
How does it notify you of new mail?
One of the features of the built in e-mail client that I'm digging is the LED blink and bringing the program to the app bar when new mail arrives. It will then show individual header info when the icon is selected. (3 new mails, 3 new blocks that can be selected or tapped off)
I'm getting used to the thing on my desktop or just charging in the family room... It has a purpose other than displaying the time. :D
Does Modest offer this feature?
wetcoast
12-11-2007, 08:56 PM
Modest is a significant step forward... better use of display space, and I am guessing and have to check server logs but also better imap support. Great stuff!
wetcoast
12-11-2007, 09:07 PM
bug; reply to mailing list (yahoo.groups) pulls in msg sender not maillist as it should by default.
long time mutt usr here.
GeneralAntilles
12-11-2007, 09:07 PM
Does Modest offer this feature?
Yes. It's slated to replace the built-in client, so it will end up just dropping straight in.
mobiledivide
12-11-2007, 09:15 PM
How does it notify you of new mail?
One of the features of the built in e-mail client that I'm digging is the LED blink and bringing the program to the app bar when new mail arrives. It will then show individual header info when the icon is selected. (3 new mails, 3 new blocks that can be selected or tapped off)
I'm getting used to the thing on my desktop or just charging in the family room... It has a purpose other than displaying the time. :D
Does Modest offer this feature?
The LED does blink when you get new emails. When you click on the message to open though its a bit hit and miss, sometimes it opens sometimes it doesn't.
xPAKxMaster
12-11-2007, 09:35 PM
Nokia reported back to me and said that if the developers keep up this good pace they will release the non beta official os2008 for the n800 by the end of December... i hope so, can't wait
wetcoast
12-11-2007, 11:36 PM
bug; reply all only includes sender
iball
12-12-2007, 01:11 AM
Nokia reported back to me and said that if the developers keep up this good pace they will release the non beta official os2008 for the n800 by the end of December... i hope so, can't wait
Don't count on it, what with the Christmas season and all. There will be a lot of "time off" for those employees between now and December 31st.
geneven
12-12-2007, 01:40 AM
I have an unusual problem with Yahoo Mail.
For compatibility with an ancient mail provider.called rocketmail, when I log into Yahoo Mail, my user name is geneven.rm
Modest doesn't seem to know how to handle the .rm.
I have a non.rm account with Yahoo as well, and it seems to work fine.
seiichiro0185
12-12-2007, 01:45 AM
Well, modest looks really promising, and can handle my IMAP-Folders with >1000 Mails without problem. But there is one (for me) really important Feature missing (or did I just not find it??) : Thread View. Using Mailing-Lists without Thread View is just painfull :D. So for the Moment I will continue to use claws, but I will keep an eye on the modest developement.
seiichiro0185
mrcrispin
12-12-2007, 02:19 AM
I'm just afraid my email accounts have grown to fat to be handled by any tablet email client, with Modest choking on folders with tens of thousands of messages.
UW Alpine works on N800 and handles a 55,000 message mailbox quite well.
Eismaus
12-12-2007, 07:01 AM
Ok, installed it, set up my google account, which works at first try (thanks for that)
Download of my mails was fast and they were shown correctly.
Even better, modest actualy shoed all subfolders(labels) i had in my gmail account.
Problem now:
Normaly i archive an mail after i read it, so i only have new or realy importand mails in my inbox. How, do i do this with modest?
And, is there way to thread the emails? Its a function i realy miss.
Eismaus
fnordianslip
12-12-2007, 07:10 AM
I second the opinion that a threaded view would be great. I'd also like to see a more finger friendly way of switching between the inboxes of different accounts, and would like to suggest that when the far right icon on the toolbar is held and a specific account is selected, that modest switches to that account in the display. Selecting all would not change the displayed account. Does anyone like that idea?
Other than that, it seems to be working fine for me with two secure IMAP accounts, on mac.com and virgin.net, although I've only pulled the top 20 from each, and will not try and access the full history of each account on the device as others seem to need to.
yerga
12-12-2007, 09:40 AM
Please, bug reports to https://bugs.maemo.org
Product: Communication
Component: Modest
So Modest will be better.
Alvin
12-12-2007, 10:15 AM
it looks promising
but it also looks like they have no QA department looking at this before releasing this beta. pity
sparkytt
12-12-2007, 10:15 AM
Excellent all seems to work well but cannot see images in html messages on gmail imap, just a box with red cross.
any ideas?
Alvin
12-12-2007, 12:38 PM
Anyone know if there is any way to delete emails from the server?
GeneralAntilles
12-12-2007, 01:05 PM
but it also looks like they have no QA department looking at this before releasing this beta. pity
It's a beta, of course it's going to be rough around the edges. This isn't google the google definition of "beta", either. :rolleyes:
Man, it's incredible that Nokia can manage to please anybody. Either they're screaming for more open testing processes, or they're *****ing about how buggy these releases are when they get them. If you have a specific problem, go file a bug on bugzilla (http://bugs.maemo.org/) and help make the developer improve it before the final release. Snarky, rude comments like the one above don't help anybody.
Greyghost
12-12-2007, 01:12 PM
Well, I've just loaded Modest up for a try and it seems to have many of the same erm... 'features' as the previous app. FYI, here's what I've found:
First, After setting up the account, it download about 475 messages, all archived in Gmail, but this is of course nowhere close to the actual number of archived messages I have on Google's server.
Now, when I click 'refresh' I get two or three more archived messages each time, but so far (twenty minutes) it hasn't downloaded the test message I sent immediately...
Finally, deleting the downloaded headers, in spite of what the pop-up windows says, does not delete them from the server (which is good, because that's where I want to store them, not on my N810).
As I write this, it occurs to me, though, since it loaded up as the native app, how can I be sure I'm actually running Modest? There didn't seem to be an 'about' section....
Edit: I just check the application manager and it show it as installed, so perhaps it is indeed running...
Alvin
12-12-2007, 01:16 PM
hmm. I don't think I was snarky! Maybe it came out that way! But I think my comment is true. All/most software developped needs some QA and ones that don't are pretty obvious.
I know its a beta. And as I said it does look very promising.
Anyway, I have started to list some bugs I am going to post on bugzilla. Currently there are zero bugs reported for modest so we should all start adding some...
emory
12-12-2007, 01:16 PM
This is wicked. I am so happy that, for the first time, I have a touch-able mail client on my tablet that can do IMAP folders.
Claws just wasn't even a real contender.
I wish Modest could be made the default, what is the level-of-effort required?
emory
12-12-2007, 01:25 PM
I wonder if Modest will support s/mime in the future? It doesn't appear to have a setting for it now, and sometimes I need to sign/encrypt email.
kanzlr
12-12-2007, 01:38 PM
i've read that modest does NOT replace the built in up just yet, you have to start it yourself, so maybe you use the built in app instead of modest? :)
Well, I've just loaded Modest up for a try and it seems to have many of the same erm... 'features' as the previous app. FYI, here's what I've found:
First, After setting up the account, it download about 475 messages, all archived in Gmail, but this is of course nowhere close to the actual number of archived messages I have on Google's server.
Now, when I click 'refresh' I get two or three more archived messages each time, but so far (twenty minutes) it hasn't downloaded the test message I sent immediately...
Finally, deleting the downloaded headers, in spite of what the pop-up windows says, does not delete them from the server (which is good, because that's where I want to store them, not on my N810).
As I write this, it occurs to me, though, since it loaded up as the native app, how can I be sure I'm actually running Modest? There didn't seem to be an 'about' section....
Edit: I just check the application manager and it show it as installed, so perhaps it is indeed running...
GeneralAntilles
12-12-2007, 01:41 PM
All/most software developped needs some QA and ones that don't are pretty obvious.
I know its a beta. And as I said it does look very promising.
Do you really? Because if you actually knew it was a beta, you wouldn't be complaining about QA. Beta generally implies that there hasn't been QA, and that the software is not up to final quality. If you want final QA quality, wait for the final release. For now, complaining about the lack of QA is both unhelpful and inappropriate for a product in this release stage.
I wish Modest could be made the default, what is the level-of-effort required?
Zero, once it reaches final release. :)
yerga
12-12-2007, 01:48 PM
hmm. I don't think I was snarky! Maybe it came out that way! But I think my comment is true. All/most software developped needs some QA and ones that don't are pretty obvious.
I have used Modest from aprox. one month ago (they had the repository active since before), and believe me they have deleted many bugs in this time. The problem they aren't a team with many people and always some bugs have to escape.
If had QA, possibly Modest beta would have gone out in more time.
In addition I think this release isn't "official" for Nokia. Well it's paid by Nokia (yes, Nokia sometimes helps to the free software :) ), but when Modest is the default client (and not beta) we will see the QA work.
Cheers.
Moonshine
12-12-2007, 01:51 PM
IMAP folder support is nice to have (finally!), but I don't see Modest replacing Claws for me any time soon.
One (forced) large finger sized scroll bar and double lined message listings certain don't make the whole app finger friendly. It would still need to address folder selection, scrolling the folder list, accessing menu items, etc...
I'm really not a fan of trying to make apps finger friendly *if* it only addresses random portions of the app and *forces* stylus users to just live with the wasted finger sized spacing.
The only thing that scares me about OS2008 is that Nokia seems to be heading down that path. IMO we made a big jump backwards with things like the forced finger sized launcher menus. If anything is should be a preference setting (assuming autodetection wasn't working for people, it worked for me :( ).
prk60091
12-12-2007, 01:51 PM
aside from some unexpected exits - this BETA works reasonably well on my n810 and imap implementation of gmail (with about 12000+ emails)
(i will file a bug report as soon as i can reproduce the crash)
yerga
12-12-2007, 01:52 PM
Modest can handle "mailto:" links in the browser.
As root: gconftool-2 --set /apps/modest/is_default --type Boolean 1
Well, it works for me, a week ago.
Greyghost
12-12-2007, 01:53 PM
i've read that modest does NOT replace the built in up just yet, you have to start it yourself, so maybe you use the built in app instead of modest? :)
Thanks Kanzlr for prompting me to look again! Indeed, I had two icons for email in my extras folder and simply picked the wrong one. I just got Modest running and it is now in the process of downloading howevermany hundreds (maybe thousands) of headers...:)
I'll just let it run for a while and see what happens. Right off the bat, though, I noticed that the header display is much better...
Alvin
12-12-2007, 02:11 PM
Do you really? Because if you actually knew it was a beta, you wouldn't be complaining about QA. Beta generally implies that there hasn't been QA, and that the software is not up to final quality. If you want final QA quality, wait for the final release. For now, complaining about the lack of QA is both unhelpful and inappropriate for a product in this release stage.
OK. I stop talking about QA.
But that makes it tricky on what we should report and what we should not report as bugs. What level "bug" should I ignore because they will obviously fix before final version?
I guess I need to find the beta software handbook for snarky users..
I just got Modest running and it is now in the process of downloading howevermany hundreds (maybe thousands) of headers...:)
mmmh, a real imap client should download just enough headers to fill the screen, so is modest yet another pop client with imap support bolted in as an afterthought? (just asking, I'm still running os2007).
Alvin
12-12-2007, 02:17 PM
has anyone got it to notify you when a new email is received? I had it working yesterday and had the LED flash and the new mail indicator in the bottom left of screen. But today this is not working anymore :(
But that makes it tricky on what we should report and what we should not report as bugs. What level "bug" should I ignore because they will obviously fix before final version?
Good idea might be to list the known bugs/issues in release notes... then if someone finds a bug that is not mentioned there it should be reported as a new bug?
Alvin
12-12-2007, 02:24 PM
Good idea might be to list the known bugs/issues in release notes... then if someone finds a bug that is not mentioned there it should be reported as a new bug?
that sounds good. A list of what they are still working on would help us understand the level of completeness.
sparkytt
12-12-2007, 02:39 PM
Excellent all seems to work well but cannot see images in html messages on gmail imap, just a box with red cross.
any ideas?
Bounce! Anyone?
mobiledivide
12-12-2007, 02:43 PM
I've been running the software for about a couple of weeks myself and there has been steady development going on. If you want more info about the development and where its going read these two links
http://djcbflux.blogspot.com/
http://www.igalia.com/nc/news/news_details/?tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=35&tx_ttnews%5BbackPid%5D=3&cHash=27dcfe4beb
Rebski
12-12-2007, 03:20 PM
I had it working yesterday and had the LED flash and the new mail indicator in the bottom left of screen. But today this is not working anymore
I had an odd experience, blue flash to let me know that mails were waiting. Modest Mail only pulled in 1 and I had to use the built in app for the other 2.
emory
12-12-2007, 03:28 PM
UW Alpine works on N800 and handles a 55,000 message mailbox quite well.
1. Is there a binary?
2. Without support for cached/offline folders in (al)pine, wouldn't the user be better served just logging into a remote host via ssh and running (al)pine there?
I love alpine btw. Thanks to you and yours up there in the treetops of UW.
Alvin
12-12-2007, 05:41 PM
has anyone got it to notify you when a new email is received? I had it working yesterday and had the LED flash and the new mail indicator in the bottom left of screen. But today this is not working anymore :(
I figured out how to get the email notification to work again.
I CLOSED the application so that it was no longer running (so I thought)
Anyway, 20 minutes later I got the LED flash and notification at lower left. WTF?! What is still running after I close the app? It looks like it continues to check for emails!!
Anyone else see this?
Alvin
12-12-2007, 10:03 PM
I figured out how to get the email notification to work again.
I CLOSED the application so that it was no longer running (so I thought)
Anyway, 20 minutes later I got the LED flash and notification at lower left. WTF?! What is still running after I close the app? It looks like it continues to check for emails!!
Anyone else see this?
I guess that this is normal behavior for the built-in mail app?
If you check it to automatically check then it will continue to do so, even if the mail app is closed?
I never used the built-in email app like this before, just did manual checking.
Moonshine
12-12-2007, 10:33 PM
Both the default mail app and Modest have a setting in "Settings..." that controls if mail is automatically updated and how often.
GeneralAntilles
12-12-2007, 10:40 PM
But that makes it tricky on what we should report and what we should not report as bugs. What level "bug" should I ignore because they will obviously fix before final version?
Report whatever you find (just, as always, be sure to search first). At worst, it'll serve as a marker for fixed bugs, and at best, you'll alert the dev to something that may otherwise have been overlooked. :)
I added two feature requests so far. But it would be nice to know the roadmap to figure out what is already planned or supposed to be done - in the first case there would be no need for a FR, in the second, it would be a bug rather than a FR.
aflegg
12-13-2007, 09:14 AM
mmmh, a real imap client should download just enough headers to fill the screen, so is modest yet another pop client with imap support bolted in as an afterthought? (just asking, I'm still running os2007).
That's supposed to be the point of tinymail (the library on which Modest is built): it's fully abstracted through an MVC pattern, so headers are only loaded when physically visible (perhaps with some wider view port to support scrolling).
If it's not doing that it's either a) a bug which needs reporting, b) a design decision to break the point of tinymail or c) I've got the wrong end of the stick. Any are possible ;-)
wetcoast
12-13-2007, 11:41 PM
Observed bug(s):
Modest and the default Mail program seem to be arguing over the automatic download of mail setting; despite having set both OFF, one or both of them still does.
In addition, the default Mail application also loads and downloads mail headers, sets the LED flashing.
I've been experiencing "Too many applications open" dialogs popping up since installing Modest, plus lack of responsiveness of some desktop icons (notably the browser icon).
So I've removed modest for now; but if it would solve my issues to disable the default mail application, I'd be happier to do that and keep running modest. Is there a sane way to go about that?
GeneralAntilles
12-14-2007, 02:22 AM
<bugs />
/me waves his flags in the direction of http://bugs.maemo.org
Greyghost
12-14-2007, 11:46 AM
/me waves his flags in the direction of http://bugs.maemo.org
Thanks General,
Great idea. I went to do this, but am a little unsure how to proceed. I didn't see a bug that describes the symptoms above but don't want to open a new bug unless it's necessary. Do you (or any reader) happen to know if a bug has been opened yet! If not, I'm happy to be the first, thanks!
wetcoast
12-14-2007, 05:39 PM
Bugs is lovely if you already have an id or happen to be able to spend the time waiting for an account email from Maemo.org to make it through spam filters and greylisting, or aren't doing it from the IT itself (and thus able to do a more thorough job not to mention navigating bugzilla more easily).
Posting it here is better than forgetting about it altogether, I figure.
But point taken, I did create an bugzilla account. However at this point I've had to remove modest; if I can disable or fix the built in mail client to prevent it from running / colliding with modest, I'd be happy to reinstall and will report whatever I find.
GeneralAntilles
12-14-2007, 08:01 PM
Great idea. I went to do this, but am a little unsure how to proceed. I didn't see a bug that describes the symptoms above but don't want to open a new bug unless it's necessary. Do you (or any reader) happen to know if a bug has been opened yet! If not, I'm happy to be the first, thanks!
I'll probably write up a wiki article on this subject at some point (assuming there isn't one available already), but for now:
Modest is a new addition to bugzilla, so there shouldn't be much on there right now. If a keyword search doesn't turn anything up, you can also check using a component search for Modest (Communication:Modest), as there aren't many bug submissions so far.*
If your bug hasn't already been submitted, then you can go ahead and create a new one. Component should be Communication:Modest, then go ahead and fill in all the other fields (IT OS for OS and your device for platform).
The summary and comment fields are probably the two most important fields. Use a lot of keywords when you write your summary (while being clear with the nature of the bug :)), as this is what people search by default.
The comment field is where you write out a full description, expected and actual outcomes, and steps to reproduce (if relevant). bugzilla provides you with a template, which you need to fill in (and edit). Under the "STEPS TO REPRODUCE THE PROBLEM" heading, enter a step-by-step howto guide on how to reproduce the bug (this is very important, as it'll make the difference between your bug being fixed and developers being unable to reproduce the problem). Be very clear here.
The next two headings, "EXPECTED OUTCOME" and "ACTUAL OUTCOME" are where you describe how the software should work and how it actually works due to the bug (Expected: the automatic retrieval setting is off, so Modest will only retrieve mail manually. Actual: Modest retrieves mail regardless of automatic retrieval setting).
The "REPRODUCIBILITY" heading is used to indicate how often the bug occurs (usually "always" is the case). Please remember to delete the "(always/sometimes/once)" selections before you submit your bug. These are only recommendations and should not appear in submitted bugs (even Quim is guilty of this misstep, so I can't really blame people too much for it :D).
The "EXTRA SOFTWARE INSTALLED" isn't always relevant, if you think that something you've installed has had a hand in the bug, then mention it, if not, delete the heading.
The "OTHER COMMENTS" is where you add additional comments, use this for whatever you think is relevant. If you don't use the field, delete it! :)
If you need further clarification on any of the features of bugzilla, please feel free to contact me! :)
hircus
12-15-2007, 06:52 PM
Has anyone tried upgrading Modest to the second public release (2007-51.1)? Both upgrading and clean-installing fails on my N810. Clean-installing actually leaves the package in a broken state.
hircus
12-15-2007, 07:15 PM
Installing using apt-get works (becomeroot is needed to gain root accedss). It seems that the Application Installer could not resolve some additioonal dependencies that were not in the original modest release.
Alvin
12-15-2007, 10:43 PM
Observed bug(s):
Modest and the default Mail program seem to be arguing over the automatic download of mail setting; despite having set both OFF, one or both of them still does.
...
I see the same thing with my POP accounts. Both modest and built-in Email are set to NOT automatically check mail but each morning when I check my RSS feeds the LED flashes and I get the beep for new mail!
Did you add a bug for this? I might have to learn how to do it !
mobiledivide
12-16-2007, 01:20 AM
Installing using apt-get works (becomeroot is needed to gain root accedss). It seems that the Application Installer could not resolve some additioonal dependencies that were not in the original modest release.
Updated today on N800 beta OS2008 and had no problem. Update went fine, noticed not too much of a difference... the way the emails load seems a little faster, I'm sure other bugs have been fixed.
That's supposed to be the point of tinymail (the library on which Modest is built): it's fully abstracted through an MVC pattern, so headers are only loaded when physically visible (perhaps with some wider view port to support scrolling).
I finally managed to flash os2008 beta, and modest downloads all headers (unless they think that the wider view port for scrolling should include ~30000 messages ;) )
If it's not doing that it's either a) a bug which needs reporting, b) a design decision to break the point of tinymail or c) I've got the wrong end of the stick. Any are possible ;-)
Well, I don't know which it is, but I filed a bug anyway.
I just loaded it onto my os2008/n800 and it works fine.
What's weird is modest is still running in the background after I close it, and alerts me when I get new mail, but if I click on the alert icon, it loads up the default mail app.
zerojay
12-19-2007, 01:14 PM
Normal behavior until Modest is integrated into the firmware.
Tuxedosteve
12-19-2007, 01:28 PM
So there's no way to quit without pulling up a shell? I wondered what was eating my batteries.
zerojay
12-19-2007, 01:56 PM
You don't quite understand. Modest is using the same underlying framework as the previous e-mail client. You didn't need to have the e-mail client open to see you had new e-mails. Same thing with modest. It's not actually running.. it's just a small daemon that is checking the e-mails for you.
So no, Modest is not eating your batteries (unless it's at 100% CPU use).
sjgadsby
12-20-2007, 05:52 PM
I have four POP3 accounts, and of those three work fine with Modest. The last account seems to cause Modest trouble when it attempts to retrieve messages. I'm currently trying to determine whether there's a bug/incompatibility in Modest I should report, or if I'm just misconfiguring the settings for this one account in some boneheaded way.
Does Modest write a network log somewhere? If not by default, is there some way of telling it to do so? I've started Modest from the command line, but doing so did not reveal anything useful. I also have the cores Modest dumps when it crashes, but I'm not clever enough to glean useful information from them.
The problem account works fine with Claws-mail, so I know it's not a more general problem of my tablet being unable to reach the POP3 server.
munky261
12-26-2007, 02:20 AM
has anyone else had the issue with modest not recognizing there are attatchemnts on msgs?
cybertron
12-26-2007, 02:25 AM
I havent had that problem, but I've had a problem with the 200 mail limit. I'll set it to only download 200 messages and it only works for the "inbox" and non of the sub folders when using imap on gmail.
munky261
12-26-2007, 02:36 AM
it wont even download msgs half the time for me , and im a very light email user. and it definitely doesnt jive well with the built in client , as ive installed and uninstalled it twice , i love the finger friendly interface , and the fact that it actually displays ALL of an emails header , instead of cutting it off like the built in client. i dont think i will be installing it again until alot of these bugs are worked out.
jer006
12-29-2007, 12:48 PM
Hi,
I just installed modest and setup my gmail account (pop) however when I open HTML email messages it does not render the images, I just get the box where the image would be with an x in it. Am I missing something or is this not ready yet?
Also I dont see any option to save to removable memory, where is this - I do not have a lot of configuration options in the client?
I am using an N800 recently upgraded to OS2008 and a fresh install of modest from the repos.
Thanks
Jeremy.
blackoper
12-30-2007, 02:26 AM
I don't think modest renders external images. It will render images embedded in the email itself
jackass124
12-30-2007, 02:55 AM
so, advantage of using Modest for POP Gmail would be just the speed??...is it much faster??....I just setup my Jabber and Googletalk and it's nice to have those things built in...so, using the built-in email would be cool as long as it doesnt suck too bad...
jgallen23
12-30-2007, 03:25 AM
I just ran an apt-get upgrade on my n810 and I see there are new tinymail libs. Modest uses tinymail correct? Should I upgrade the libs to the latest version?
munky261
12-30-2007, 04:13 AM
so let me get this right , with modest , there is no way to view attatchments?
TA-t3
12-30-2007, 02:11 PM
@jgallen23: modest uses tinymail. I can't tell you if you should upgrade or not. But in general you'll want to upgrade a library if there's a new one available, unless there are bug reports.
kyyla
01-05-2008, 06:12 AM
Why does modest pop up new mail messages about email already marked read on another computer with another IMAP client such as Thunderbird? Is this a feature or a bug? An option to disable this behaviour would be greatly appreciated.
aflegg
01-05-2008, 07:19 AM
It sounds like it should be a bug - raise it on http://bugs.maemo.org/ in the Communication > Modest category.
Well, I had great hope for modest, but, besides not implementing a good imap model (unfortunately most mail programs, modest included, implement imap as a glorified pop), it simply cannot cope with large folders (waiting 10 minutes to enter a folder with 30000 messages, after waiting an hour for the initial headers dowload, isn't my kind of fun).
Anybody interested in hildonizing mulberry (http://www.mulberrymail.com)?
DataPath
01-05-2008, 11:35 AM
Well, I had great hope for modest, but, besides not implementing a good imap model (unfortunately most mail programs, modest included, implement imap as a glorified pop), it simply cannot cope with large folders (waiting 10 minutes to enter a folder with 30000 messages, after waiting an hour for the initial headers dowload, isn't my kind of fun).
Anybody interested in hildonizing mulberry (http://www.mulberrymail.com)?
I have no clue what you're talking about - Modest was designed from the ground up to be two things: light on memory, and use the full range of IMAP capabilities.
The developer FREQUENTLY tests folder sizes upwards of 10,000 messages. All his screenshots demonstrating new features include folders of 30,000 messages.
I suspect that if you're experiencing problems it's probably a bug specific to your setup. I know that I've run into stability problems in combination with Lotus Notes IMAP servers, but that's more likely Lotus Notes' fault, since they don't seem to be able to adhere to any standard.
I suspect that if you're experiencing problems it's probably a bug specific to your setup. I know that I've run into stability problems in combination with Lotus Notes IMAP servers, but that's more likely Lotus Notes' fault, since they don't seem to be able to adhere to any standard.
Since my server is cyrus (one of the best ones around) and I have no problem with thunderbird and mulberry on a pc, and claws works fine albeit slowly on the tablet, I suspect modest is to blame. Besides, a real imap client, like mulberry, should just download enough headers to fill the screen, not the whole 30000, especially on a constrained device like the tablet (e.g. mulberry is an order of magnitude faster than thunderbird, while being an order of magnitude leaner)
jgallen23
01-05-2008, 02:38 PM
a new version just popped up on my application manager. Anybody know where I could find a changelog?
munky261
01-06-2008, 12:04 AM
i guess im the only person in the world that doesnt keep all his email...lol i typically delete msgs as i read them , the thing i like best about modest is the inbox view where it lets me see the subject and sender without it being cutoff like in the standard client
gerbick
01-13-2008, 04:45 AM
does this latest version fully replace the standard e-mail client yet?
blackoper
01-13-2008, 05:32 AM
modest release notes from latest update
2008-W3:
now with release notes (also seen in the NEWS)
added some dbu-debug methods
fixed some memory corruption (incorrect frees) in tymail-maemo
fixed bugs in tiny tree model (see there)
fixed suppor for message with multiple text/plain parts (#2720)
fixed url support (#2683)
fixed many dimming rules, focus issues
fixed backspace-usage in find-toolbar
code cleanups
gerbick
01-13-2008, 04:27 PM
So... I'm still wondering. If this installs as E-mail, how do you remove the prior version?
So far, I'm impressed with it's IMAP implementation - read: it works - and I want to remove the other mail... because I'll honestly never use it.
jer006
01-13-2008, 06:41 PM
My only complaint about modest currently is that it does not render remote images, otherwise than that it is a great improvement on the built-in client. I would like to know when this will be fixed/implemented as this will make it a great client.
nahkiainen
01-13-2008, 06:45 PM
I have the same problem as I had with previous version: Modest crashes when 810 is online AND at least one IMAP account is defined in the program.
I have not been able to find a list of what features modest currently has or what it will have when released. Can anybody tell me if modest currently deletes email from the server when deleted from the tablet? I want to leave my email on the server unless I delete it, like I do with the current email client. Whithout this feature modest will be useless to me. I hate having to go through the same junk email twice to delete it.
What I would like to have is for the email to have deleted folder and for the mail to stay on the server until I delete it from the deleted folder.
I stopped using Claws for email because it was missing this feature also.
Any other email program for the tablet does support deleting email from the server when delete locally?
gerbick
01-13-2008, 09:52 PM
Once deleted, it seems to delete from server. I just took two messages, deleted message, and they were not in the Trash folder on the server. Nor on the tablet.
To me... that's a slight problem. I'd rather they move to the Trash folder so that in case I make a mistake while traveling, then I'll be able to move them in case I "fat finger" the files.
But no room for rules quite yet...
johnkzin
01-14-2008, 01:46 AM
I 90% like Modest.
But, it doesn't recognize all of my sub-folders (it recognized ONE of my nested folder groups, the first one alphabetically, but none of the others).
And I wish it would let me see both of my accounts at the same time.
Otherwise 1000% improvement over the existing built-in email client.
munky261
01-14-2008, 02:46 PM
i agree that it needs to have the option to display more than one account at a time in the inbox and to refresh all accounts when you hit the button on the inbox , not have to go thru the menu and hit send / receive all thats a real pain in the ***
johnkzin
01-14-2008, 03:02 PM
I don't want to see all of my accounts under 1 inbox. That'd be ugly.
I want to see multiple account trees.
Right now, you get something like this:
Account
Inbox
Folder A
Folder B
Local Folders
Folder C
Folder D
Removable Memory Card
Archive
... which is all well and good, but if you have multiple accounts, you have to pick which _ONE_ account to view at a time. What I should have is this:
Account 1 (home)
Inbox
Folder A
Folder B
Account 2 (work)
Inbox
Folder C
Folder D
Local Folders
Folder E
Folder F
Removable Memory Card
Archive
Once deleted, it seems to delete from server. I just took two messages, deleted message, and they were not in the Trash folder on the server. Nor on the tablet.
To me... that's a slight problem. I'd rather they move to the Trash folder so that in case I make a mistake while traveling, then I'll be able to move them in case I "fat finger" the files.
But no room for rules quite yet...
thanks for the feedback. It sounds like you have an IMAP setup. I am working under pop3. I will take even what the current mail reader has. I am just afraid it is going the way of claws mail and will only give me the all or nothing.
johnkzin
01-14-2008, 06:46 PM
I hadn't tried deleting anything in modest yet ... yeah, I'm a "move to the trash folder" kinda person, not a "delete in place" kinda person. So, I hope they move to supporting that choice of deleting files.
(and, I too am on IMAP, and not POP)
johnkzin
01-14-2008, 06:47 PM
I'm also not worried about client side filtering rules. I do all of that server-side (that way I don't have to duplicate my rules across multiple clients).
gerbick
01-15-2008, 12:09 AM
thanks for the feedback. It sounds like you have an IMAP setup. I am working under pop3. I will take even what the current mail reader has. I am just afraid it is going the way of claws mail and will only give me the all or nothing.
Yep... sorry I didn't state that I was using IMAP earlier. It's the sole reason I'm looking past the original built-in e-mail app.
gerbick
01-22-2008, 03:29 AM
So... anyway to get this to be the default program yet? Somebody has got to know - and searching here isn't turning up true positives.
GeneralAntilles
01-22-2008, 07:21 AM
So... anyway to get this to be the default program yet? Somebody has got to know - and searching here isn't turning up true positives.
No, it'll be the default mail client when it's good and ready. For now, the ties just aren't all there yet.
gerbick
01-22-2008, 01:57 PM
ah, ok. sometimes the tablet gets confused and tries to create e-mail in the default app.
setasai
02-20-2008, 02:15 AM
I there a way in modest for me to group contacts or somehow email a group of contacts without individually click each one in the compose email window?
Secondly, when i first start the program it will retrieve message and then say no messages to view but all i need to do is click a different folder and go back and it'll refresh and all my messages will be available again. This is using IMAP at aim.com. Anybody notice this?
Sai
BatPenguin
02-25-2008, 01:10 PM
Is there a way to have modest automatically check for new messages from only some/selected accounts? Now it seems to check for messages from all accounts. I'd like to haved the option of disabling checking work emails at night. Can this be done?
mscdex
03-01-2008, 05:54 PM
I noticed something in Modest that I don't know if it is a known issue or not. I added my gmail account just fine. However when I tap on the Gmail root node in the tree list (the one with the globe icon next to it) and on the right hand side it says I have 77 messages, when I have no messages at all in my inbox or any other folder under that gmail node.
For modest, imap and gmail, I seem to be getting an username and password settings wrong. The username and email address should be the same right? (username@gmail.com), the password is the gmail password and the account name you can enter whatever right?
softcat
03-09-2008, 07:02 AM
I've been using Modest for a while and I'm quite impressed.
Currently I'm experimenting with the IMAP-IDLE feature. My mailserver supports it and it works flawlessy in Modest when its open. The noftification for new email comes instantly.
But this does not seem so work when Modest is closed and running in the background.
Can anyone confirm this behaviour?
Thanks and Regards...
softcat
mscdex
03-09-2008, 03:15 PM
I've been using Modest for a while and I'm quite impressed.
Currently I'm experimenting with the IMAP-IDLE feature. My mailserver supports it and it works flawlessy in Modest when its open. The noftification for new email comes instantly.
But this does not seem so work when Modest is closed and running in the background.
Can anyone confirm this behaviour?
Thanks and Regards...
softcat
I use gmail with Modest and it notifies me if I have new mail when Modest is closed.
setasai
03-11-2008, 02:32 PM
hmmm there seems to be quite a few unanswered questions. Has the developer been busy w/ work or something? seems kinda quite these days. not just this thread but most threads seem quiet.
munky261
03-11-2008, 06:20 PM
ive tried using modest with many different email addresses and always have some kind of problem with it , the main problem seems to be that even though it isnt the default program its tied to it too much , just really want the finger friendly interface is its main selling point for me. still cant figure out the certificate problem when using gmail
macr0t0r
03-12-2008, 08:48 AM
I realize it's beta, but it's a real hassle to have the old App keep rising from the dead. I deleted all of my old accounts so that I can at least recognize the old app when it complains of not having any configured accounts.
I'm about ready to start hacking dbus calls. I want Modest to be the default.
- Jim
BatPenguin
03-12-2008, 11:47 AM
I have the exact same problem: at seemingly random times, the old program pops up the "new mail" notification...really strange and random. It'd be great if there was at least some temporary hack we could do to really make sure Modest is the only app that ever checks for new mail.
mobiledivide
03-12-2008, 12:10 PM
I really have no problems, but I think thats probably because I never even tried to set up the old client. When clicking on an email link in a webpage the old client does pop up, but its not too much of a hassle for me to just close it. It's almost ready in terms of usability. I definitely use it a lot more since I got the N810 with the keyboard.
Just a warning, my system got toasted when I updated to the latest Modest (March 10, 2008) through the Application Manager (non Red Pill mode). I started getting constant "Internal Error: Application 'E-Mail' closed" messages in the middle of doing other stuff, like watching video or whatever.
I had to revert back to the old version (Feb 29) manually, and now everything's fine again.
deeteroderdas
03-12-2008, 01:55 PM
Ok, so I did a search here on ITT for "modest graphics" and got nothing.
I asked on the modest-users mailing list, no response.
Will Modest eventually support inline graphics in emails?
I understand it is designed to be "lean 'n' mean", but sometimes it would be nice to have graphics displayed in an email.
Thanks.
there is a option for it in gconf.
brontide
03-12-2008, 09:09 PM
Just a warning, my system got toasted when I updated to the latest Modest (March 10, 2008) through the Application Manager (non Red Pill mode). I started getting constant "Internal Error: Application 'E-Mail' closed" messages in the middle of doing other stuff, like watching video or whatever.
I had to revert back to the old version (Feb 29) manually, and now everything's fine again.
I'm having the identical problem.
Any time it's check with it's automagic background mode. Same here. It's every 5 minutes or so for me, but that's what I have my check interval set to.
munky261
03-12-2008, 10:06 PM
this latest release of modest is totally F.U.B.A.R..... i dont understand why the big finger friendly interface cant be integrated into the built in client and that be the end of it.
GeneralAntilles
03-12-2008, 10:08 PM
interface cant be integrated into the built in client and that be the end of it.
Becuase osso-email is a half-baked piece of garbage.
Remember, children, Modest is beta in the non-google sense of the word. :rolleyes:
kenroy
03-12-2008, 10:18 PM
I'm having the identical problem.
Any time it's check with it's automagic background mode. Same here. It's every 5 minutes or so for me, but that's what I have my check interval set to.
As a temporary workaround, if you leave modest running you won't get the error messages.
deeteroderdas
03-13-2008, 09:20 AM
there is a option for it in gconf.
Ok, found it, thanks!
I wasn't sure your post was in response to my question.
Is this documented anywhere? Using gconf to make changes such as this just seems 'counterintuitive', given that the gconf editor is not emphasized.
Just a warning, my system got toasted when I updated to the latest Modest (March 10, 2008) through the Application Manager (non Red Pill mode). I started getting constant "Internal Error: Application 'E-Mail' closed" messages in the middle of doing other stuff, like watching video or whatever.
I had to revert back to the old version (Feb 29) manually, and now everything's fine again.
Qole,
As I have the same problems as the others here, could you pls explain me how to manually revert back to the older version?
Thanks in advance.
Ok, found it, thanks!
I wasn't sure your post was in response to my question.
Is this documented anywhere? Using gconf to make changes such as this just seems 'counterintuitive', given that the gconf editor is not emphasized.
i dont think its documented anywhere. i came across it while playing around with gconf-editor...
Qole,
As I have the same problems as the others here, could you pls explain me how to manually revert back to the older version?
Thanks in advance.
It's ugly and messy. I'll try.
1. Either go into red pill mode in Application manager or use "apt-get remove" as root. Remove the following packages (some may get removed when others are removed also):
modest
libtinymailui-gtk-1.0-0
libtinymailui-1.0-0
libtinymail-maemo-1.0-0 (removed with libtinymailui-gtk-1.0-0)
libtinymail-gnomevfs-1.0-0
libtinymail-1.0-0
libtinymail-camel-1.0-0 (removed with libtinymail-1.0-0)
2. I think you need to be in red pill mode for this. Go to the modest repository (http://modest.garage.maemo.org/repos/dists/chinook/mail/binary-armel/) with your web browser, or, probably easier, use the links in the list below. If you use the repo, you need to install the Feb. 29th version of the following packages (click on the link and use "open"), and I think they need to be in this order. If a package insists on one of the other ones as a dependency, just install the dependency first.
libtinymail-1.0-0_1.0.0-svn3438_armel.deb (http://modest.garage.maemo.org/repos/dists/chinook/mail/binary-armel/libtinymail-1.0-0_1.0.0-svn3438_armel.deb)
libtinymail-camel-1.0-0_1.0.0-svn3438_armel.deb (http://modest.garage.maemo.org/repos/dists/chinook/mail/binary-armel/libtinymail-camel-1.0-0_1.0.0-svn3438_armel.deb)
libtinymail-gnomevfs-1.0-0_1.0.0-svn3438_armel.deb (http://modest.garage.maemo.org/repos/dists/chinook/mail/binary-armel/libtinymail-gnomevfs-1.0-0_1.0.0-svn3438_armel.deb)
libtinymailui-1.0-0_1.0.0-svn3438_armel.deb (http://modest.garage.maemo.org/repos/dists/chinook/mail/binary-armel/libtinymailui-1.0-0_1.0.0-svn3438_armel.deb)
libtinymailui-gtk-1.0-0_1.0.0-svn3438_armel.deb (http://modest.garage.maemo.org/repos/dists/chinook/mail/binary-armel/libtinymailui-gtk-1.0-0_1.0.0-svn3438_armel.deb)
libtinymail-maemo-1.0-0_1.0.0-svn3438_armel.deb (http://modest.garage.maemo.org/repos/dists/chinook/mail/binary-armel/libtinymail-maemo-1.0-0_1.0.0-svn3438_armel.deb)
modest_1.0-2008.10-1_armel.deb (http://modest.garage.maemo.org/repos/dists/chinook/mail/binary-armel/modest_1.0-2008.10-1_armel.deb)
If someone finds a problem with my instructions, my links or the install order, please tell me.
This will probably be obsoleted soon, when they release a fixed version. But if you can't wait for the update...
mscdex
03-13-2008, 03:05 PM
Ok, found it, thanks!
I wasn't sure your post was in response to my question.
Is this documented anywhere? Using gconf to make changes such as this just seems 'counterintuitive', given that the gconf editor is not emphasized.
Where did you find it at?
jussik
03-13-2008, 04:55 PM
Just a warning, my system got toasted when I updated to the latest Modest (March 10, 2008) through the Application Manager (non Red Pill mode). I started getting constant "Internal Error: Application 'E-Mail' closed" messages in the middle of doing other stuff, like watching video or whatever.
Guys, a reminder: make sure you file bugs (or vote for existing ones), otherwise the developers won't know about them:
https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2968
Guys, a reminder: make sure you file bugs (or vote for existing ones), otherwise the developers won't know about them:
https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2968
What, don't they read these forums? ;)
Also, I tried to create a bugzilla account, but I got this:
Software error:
DBD::mysql::db do failed: Access denied for user: 'maemobugs@10.5.7.11' to database 'maemobugs' at /usr/share/perl5/Bugzilla/DB/Mysql.pm line 196
Bugzilla::DB::Mysql::bz_lock_tables('Bugzilla::DB: :Mysql=HASH(0x8b63cd8)', 'profiles WRITE', 'groups READ', 'user_group_map WRITE', 'email_setting WRITE', 'tokens READ') called at /usr/lib/cgi-bin/bugzilla/createaccount.cgi line 72
For help, please send mail to the webmaster (webhost@maemo.org), giving this error message and the time and date of the error.
I have to say there is some irony in discovering a problem in a bugzilla implementation.
deeteroderdas
03-13-2008, 09:32 PM
Where did you find it at?
First, you need to have gconf-editor installed.
http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/gconf-editor/
Then, fire it up (it installs under "Settings"), navigate to apps->modest->fetch_external_images.
Gconf-editor is kinda like regedit for the Windoze environment.
brontide
03-14-2008, 08:58 AM
Ok, Modest does work with gmail... kinda.
1) Why do messages not get marked read by Modest, is there some trick?
2) Sometimes deleted mail gets deleted, most of the time it is gone from Modest, but still in my inbox if I check from another client.
XL1200c
03-14-2008, 12:34 PM
I do not like Modest using my removable memory card. Is there a way to change it so it uses my internal memory card?
macr0t0r
03-14-2008, 12:53 PM
@XL1200c :
I feel the same, but my solution is a rather ugly hack. I turned off the option to store mail in the external card and then sym-linked the internal /home/user/.modest folder to /media/mmc2/Modest. Doing this sort of thing takes away your rights to complain about bugs.
- Jim
slha89
03-16-2008, 08:28 AM
Just browsed a bit with gconf-editor and what do I see... :eek::eek::eek:
Modest saves cleartext password in his config!
Come on, it's not nice to not have a usable PIM (can't send email with GPE addressbook, other PIMs lacks in other points, and so on...) with Nxxx tablet, but storing cleartext passwords on a mobile device isn't acceptable!
Greets
PS:
What's also not nice in Modest: at fullscreen, there is no close button in mail view to go back to the listing view.
brontide
03-16-2008, 08:43 AM
Just browsed a bit with gconf-editor and what do I see... :eek::eek::eek:
Modest saves cleartext password in his config!
Come on, it's not nice to not have a usable PIM (can't send email with GPE addressbook, other PIMs lacks in other points, and so on...) with Nxxx tablet, but storing cleartext passwords on a mobile device isn't acceptable!
Greets
PS:
What's also not nice in Modest: at fullscreen, there is no close button in mail view to go back to the listing view.
The nokias store plaintext passwords for ALL the IM accounts, network logins ( including WPA-Enterprise ), and more. So the fact that modest does it as well is not a real surprise.
It bugs me as well. I man how hard is it to use the mac address as a symmetric cypher?
Jejoma
03-16-2008, 09:25 AM
I've got my Googlemail account linking with Modest but is it possible to access Hotmail?
micampe
03-16-2008, 12:04 PM
It bugs me as well. I man how hard is it to use the mac address as a symmetric cypher?
What kind of security would this give to you? If somebody can read your encrypted password, he can access your mac address too.
Jaffa
03-16-2008, 12:08 PM
The device needs to know the password so short of asking the user for a keychain-like password which is used to derive the decryption key, it's not going to be possible to store the password for a remote service (which it needs) on the device in a secure manner.
Having said that, there are a couple of simple things applications should consider doing when storing the passwords, and xoring the text with the MAC address + some application-specific number is simple enough to stop casual sniffing; even if it's not any more secure in any real way.
Cheers,
Andrew
GeneralAntilles
03-16-2008, 12:09 PM
What's also not nice in Modest: at fullscreen, there is no close button in mail view to go back to the listing view.
Hold down the back key.
Press the back key.
Jaffa
03-16-2008, 12:19 PM
Hold down the back key.
A single press did it last time I used Modest.
setasai
03-16-2008, 06:27 PM
I may be missing something obvious but is there a way to email a group of contacts all at once instead of checkboxing each contact one by one?
slha89
03-16-2008, 07:55 PM
Hold down the back key.
This brings everyone off from fullscreen and that's not what I want if I want to use Modest in fullscreen to have more space. That's the reason I wrote about fullscreen.
The nokias store plaintext passwords for ALL the IM accounts, network logins ( including WPA-Enterprise ), and more. So the fact that modest does it as well is not a real surprise.
:eek::eek::eek: ... I hope they take some more ideas from Gnome people in near future (and we get Evolution too ;) ).
So I must have two eyes on my N810 not to be stolen...
This brings everyone off from fullscreen and that's not what I want if I want to use Modest in fullscreen to have more space. That's the reason I wrote about fullscreen.
like someone else pointed out, dont hold, just tap it.
brontide
03-17-2008, 10:16 AM
Hmm... if I let the background app run I get internal errors, if I leave Modest open it gobbles up all the ram and cpu after about a day.
Speaking of full screen is there a way default to the limited headers?
brontide
03-17-2008, 11:53 AM
This brings everyone off from fullscreen and that's not what I want if I want to use Modest in fullscreen to have more space. That's the reason I wrote about fullscreen.
I use ctrl-w to close the message window.
I notice that they have a new version, 1.0-2008.12-1, available for download.
Does this fix the Internal Error problem?
solico
03-17-2008, 07:01 PM
Actually I got no more problems with the new version.
Version 1.0-2008.11 gave me "internal error" with an IMAP-configuration, since Version 12 it runs like a charm.
Version 12 didn't seem to check mail at first, but when it finally did I got the same internal error. The good news is that the bug where read messages (GMail IMAP) are not marked read on the server is fixed.
setasai
03-18-2008, 03:13 PM
Latest modest gives me "no messages to show" message when starting up and after checking mail. FYI, imap.aimi.com. Its strange because I can go to the folders section, click a different folder then click the inbox again and all the messages are there again. Is this common? Its kind of annoying...
macr0t0r
03-18-2008, 03:47 PM
Got the same glitch as setasai using mail.mac.com imap service with Modest 12-1 on an N800 with 2008. Inbox appears empty. Select another IMAP folder and back to Inbox and all messages are instantly present. Seems to be a display issue of some sort.
- Jim
munky261
03-18-2008, 08:35 PM
seems to me with each "update" there are more issues occuring... i still cant get it to work consistently for me regardless of what email addy i use
brontide
03-18-2008, 11:03 PM
I had to "update" three or four times in a row for it to finally "see" a 2 hour old message on my gmail imap account.
munky261
03-18-2008, 11:28 PM
Can anyone help me with the issue im having with modest? Everytime i open it it gives the errors shown on the included screenshots. Im using gmail imap , but it also does it with gmail pop.
gerbick
03-19-2008, 03:06 AM
I'm seriously starting to think that you're having problems with your router or you're using Privoxy - I know it turns cookies into session cookies, which was a major problem for me.
munky261
03-19-2008, 03:27 AM
i am running privoxy actually. as well as adblock in the browser. ill uninstall privoxy and reinstall modest and give it a try.
munky261
03-19-2008, 03:37 AM
no luck , uninstalled privoxy and reinstalled modest and still get the error.
brontide
03-19-2008, 06:12 AM
I get the SSL error sending emails, but not checking. I do not have privoxy installed.
munky261
03-19-2008, 10:59 AM
and as far as issues with the router goes i get the same error no matter what network i am connected to. but at home i use a 2wire dsl modem/router.
I've downgraded back to 10. I like the flashing light when I get mail. Nicer than the "Internal Error: E-mail closed" error box.
nilchak
03-19-2008, 03:09 PM
I've downgraded back to 10. I like the flashing light when I get mail. Nicer than the "Internal Error: E-mail closed" error box.
I have to do likewise it seems.
After a prolonged time, there are tons of the Internal Error messageboxes that I have to close out before I can get back to the desktop itself and other apps.
I am surprised that Modest is billed as the takeover email default email client for the OS2008. At the rate it is progressing (rather not), I dont see when it will become a full featured client.
iskarion
03-19-2008, 03:10 PM
W10 was the last working version for me, too.
In W11 the annoying "Internal Error: E-mail closed" popup did appear all the time. With W12 this is gone, but now IMAP is completely broken. At least IMAP with the "secure Connection" option "SSL (IMAP4S)". :(
munky261
03-19-2008, 03:20 PM
i wish they would just put the thumb friendly interface on the built in client and id be perfectly happy. how can i downgrade back to W10?
how can i downgrade back to W10?
I give full instructions on how to go back to the (last known working) W10 in this post (http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=154515&postcount=125).
Benson
03-19-2008, 05:09 PM
It seems strange that so many people are having so much trouble; I saw where the Internal Error happened, but as long as an instance of Modest was open, it worked fine. Now with W12, it seems to work fine entirely. I'm using GMail IMAP, SSL IMAP4S, and having no trouble.
And for people who think that fat scrolbars on the default client would make it fine, maybe, if you don't use GMail at least, it would be. But I used it a little before, and I think Modest is much improved. It's beta, of course, and so there are some troubles, but it's already better than the built-in one and improving (in stability) despite the odd glitch along the way.
alephito
03-19-2008, 08:39 PM
It's ugly and messy. I'll try.
Thanks for your instructions. I am using them with every new release of Modest. The "Internal Error" message is killing me.
Thanks for your instructions. I am using them with every new release of Modest. The "Internal Error" message is killing me.
Me too. But, like you, I keep hoping and I keep installing... then uninstalling...
slha89
03-21-2008, 05:27 AM
like someone else pointed out, dont hold, just tap it.
It doesn't matter how long I press the button. The first really short tap brings the mail view from fullscreen back to normal view. The second short tap closes the opened mail and I'm in normal view.
But I want to start Modest, go to fullscreen and use Modest the whole time in fullscreen. This doesn't work.
I use the latest Modest version.
I use ctrl-w to close the message window.
I use Modest as a mail viewer of my log files and don't want to slide again and again the keyboard.
brontide
03-24-2008, 09:54 AM
Reflashed and reinstalled the latest version
1) SSL error on connection to imap.gmail.com that I never got before.
2) Neither read or deletions appear to actually carry over to gmail.
3) The LED indicator often does not flash even though I have new mail. On occasion it works, but most of the time not.
4) Background checking doesn't crash... but doesn't appear to actually work either. ( Might be related to #3 ).
I just installed modest 1.0-2008.12-1 (first time) and it works smoothly. I hope they will improve features and get this working for everyone else, but I have a couple questions. I'm used to thunderbird and gmail imap for my pc, and I was curious if there is a way to get the folders to point to local folders on modest.
For instance, if you click delete on a message in modest, on the server it just archives (only seen in all mail) unless you use the file menu to move it to the [Gmail]/Trash folder. Is there a way to customize the folders to work as it does in thunderbird for the spam, trash, and sent mail?
Other than that, I'm just hoping this can replace the default map so I can remove that one, but luckily i'm not the only person waiting for that...
Tantris
03-26-2008, 07:02 PM
Just some little feedback from me:
I use Imap via SSL with a rather big mailbox (~20000 mails in 20 folders).
After I entered my account information, everything seemed fine and the only thing I misses was a feature like "default imap folder for all sent mail" instead of a local copy.
After I closed the first instance of modest, I re-opened it. It started by telling me, that my username/pw was incorrect. I entered the same as before and got a pop-up window which wanted to check the supported authentication methods. Unfortunately this one locks up immediately.
I will return to claws again and check back when a new version becomes available
munky261
03-27-2008, 12:55 AM
any progress on figuring out why the ssl error ALWAYS comes up when using gmail IMAP or POP???
For Gmail IMAP, I have the following working settings in Modest under the Incoming tab:
Incoming Server (IMAP4)*: imap.gmail.com
Secure connection: SSL (IMAP4S)
Port: 993
Use Secure authentication: UNCHECKED
munky261
03-28-2008, 04:27 PM
i changed my gmail to use IMAP , and put in the exact setting you specify , and i still get the ssl cert. error. i cant figure out what the deal is..... would somebody exporting their certificate and i put it on mine work???
solico
03-28-2008, 05:48 PM
just installed version 14-1.
guess what...internal error is back.
someone please: i'm running an imap configuration with serveral subfolders. claws-mail isn't really an alternativ for me. modest would be great what was the last working version for imap handling?
version 10,11 keeps crashing
version 12 doesn't collect my mails
what about a previous version - any suggestions?
oops...some typos
alephito
03-28-2008, 08:36 PM
I just installed version 14-1 and apparently my "Internal Error" is gone.
What about you, Qole?
EDIT:
Well, I spoke to soon. "Internal Error" is back. But at least now I think I know what is going on:
I use Modest with two Gmail accounts. One POP and one IMAP. The POP account works well with the automatic updates. No problems at all. But the IMAP is the one causing the crash.
With version 11 I did not have the error messages, but I did not have the automatic updates messages for the IMAP account either. So now I disabled the IMAP account (I will check it with the browser) and will stay with version 14.
I hope in version 15 the problem with Gmail IMAP is finally solved.
With version W14, I have noticed that Modest gets far fewer "Internal Error" messages now. Almost entirely gone. No more clicking through a stack of 10 error dialogs in the morning, just the occasional error every couple of days.
alephito
03-29-2008, 11:51 PM
Lucky you. My Gmail IMAP account started with the errors less than an hour after the upgrade. And every single incoming e-mail ended in an error.
Apparently there is no pattern, right?
osofast
03-29-2008, 11:53 PM
I put version 14 and I no longer get the internal error dialog.
alephito
03-31-2008, 05:54 PM
Well, I decided to try version 14 again. I have to say that I received only one "Internal Error" message in the last 24 hours. A nice improvement. But sometimes there are e-mails that do not trigger the automatic announcement.
macr0t0r
04-04-2008, 12:34 PM
Well! Version 14 is holding up quite nicely! It hasn't crashed or given me the internal error dialog for an entire week, now! I've "come back" to the Modest Beta app. However, I think I'll be a tad more hesitant about updates in the future.
Now....I have a feature question. I'm using imap. I have it set to download the entire message and attachments. My max size is 5000kB. Yet it STILL won't download the full message in my inbox. Every message gives me the "receiving" delay before opening. There is the menu to download the rest of the message, but it is grayed out when I have multiple messages selected. I have my Modest cache folder linked to my SDHC card, so I truly want to have it download the entire Inbox so that I may read it offline.
So: imap email ignores the "download entire message" option. Bug or Feature?
- Jim
on that note, im using pop with headers only. but i just noticed that i could still read mails that i know are no longer on the server. still, they where downloaded with a older version. i have yet to test with the most recent.
munky261
04-08-2008, 02:04 PM
what do i do , once uninstalled , to clean all traces of modest from the filesystem? and also... those that have gmail IMAP working , do you have the built in client set the same way , if at all.... trying to get some other details to try to track why im getting the cert. error
brontide
04-08-2008, 02:13 PM
munky261
I just did a clean install and I get the cert error as well. It also doesn't check mail in the background and tendes to get locked up occasionally "receiving" to the point where I have to killall modest in a terminal.
So it's not just you.
munky261
04-08-2008, 02:23 PM
you and i are having the exact same problem! mine doesnt check in the background either , and it also does the lock up thing occasaionally. any ideas on what causes this cert problem? are you by chance using macchanger to get more trials on the wayfinder app? i am and i was wondering if this had any effect on the certs?
edit: does using the rtcomm update have any effect do you think?
brontide
04-08-2008, 03:05 PM
I am using rtcomm beta, but honestly neither should have an effect.
Failure in the background checking is probably because of the cert error. Getting stucks seems like a failure to recognize network changes... trying to check the source, but garage.maemo.org is being flakey again.
munky261
04-08-2008, 03:06 PM
OMG a maemo site not working correctly??? NEVER!!! LOL
pixelseventy2
04-08-2008, 06:10 PM
I get the same, background checking doesn't, and it sometimes hangs on receive. I don't have the rtcomm updates. Plus I can't send mail via my smtp server with tls; I think that is because I have a self-generated certificate.
Modest W15 is out, and the two most annoying bugs seem to be fixed:
1) No Internal Errors (yet)
2) Mail read in Modest is marked read on the Google IMAP server
Interestingly, after installing this version, I ran Modest and got a dialog about trying to connect to Google IMAP with an unauthorized? unknown? (I forget) certificate. I clicked on "yes" or "OK" or something and then it downloaded my e-mails. It also didn't start doing background checks until after that, too. It was only after I had cleared the dialog that I realized I should have written down what it said to report here.
The release notes for this version specifically say that they've fixed some background checking errors.
brontide
04-09-2008, 07:58 AM
Interesting, I've tried to run Application manager 3 or 4 times and I'm still not seeing a -15 update. ( 8am EDT 4/9/08 ).
alephito
04-09-2008, 08:05 AM
Modest W15 is out, and the two most annoying bugs seem to be fixed:
1) No Internal Errors (yet)
2) Mail read in Modest is marked read on the Google IMAP server
I have been running version 15 for three or four days and still receiving a couple of Internal Errors a day.
Interestingly, after installing this version, I ran Modest and got a dialog about trying to connect to Google IMAP with an unauthorized? unknown? (I forget) certificate. I clicked on "yes" or "OK" or something and then it downloaded my e-mails. It also didn't start doing background checks until after that, too. It was only after I had cleared the dialog that I realized I should have written down what it said to report here.
This happened to me too. But after accepting the message, everything worked as expected.
pixelseventy2
04-09-2008, 08:28 AM
Tried w15 and it worked in the background :) will have to see if it hangs on receive now
brontide
04-09-2008, 08:34 AM
Interesting, I've tried to run Application manager 3 or 4 times and I'm still not seeing a -15 update. ( 8am EDT 4/9/08 ).
Dumb...
I've been running 15 as well.
1) Cert errors
2) No background checking
3) Receiving lockups
Hey, at least I'm not getting itnernal errors.
And this is on a system just reflashed with os2008 51-3
ElGatoFlojo
04-10-2008, 01:09 AM
So, this is the e-mail client that is coming on the new OS, and it isn't even working? I just installed 15 and its useless to me as my site requires a SSL connection. It won't even connect and download e-mail! I'm pretty surprised they would release a client that is this broken from the start. Are we missing something? Is there some secret bit of advice somewhere to get it running? I'd be very curious, and grateful to know.
GeneralAntilles
04-10-2008, 01:28 AM
So, this is the e-mail client that is coming on the new OS, and it isn't even working?
That's why it's a BETA, so we get a free preview and they get testers to help them make it better. :rolleyes:
Besides, it seems to work fine for an awful lot of people (I'm among them)—just because it doesn't work for you doesn't mean it doesn't work period.
I just installed 15 and its useless to me as my site requires a SSL connection.
If you have a valid bug, then go to http://bugs.maemo.org and file one. Be sure to include as much information as possible and the steps required to reproduce the issue.
It won't even connect and download e-mail! I'm pretty surprised they would release a client that is this broken from the start.
It's a BETA, the point of a beta (despite what google seems to believe) is to work out all the bugs so they don't make it into the final release.
Are we missing something? Is there some secret bit of advice somewhere to get it running? I'd be very curious, and grateful to know.
You're gonna need to provide some real information if you want help troubleshooting. :)
I spoke too soon; I'm getting occasional int. errors & e-mails are not always marked 'read'... maybe w16 of the BETA in the non-Google sense....
jemaliahz
04-10-2008, 01:56 AM
Hello,
I'm also having internal error with this new version as also on previous releases.
-J-
pixelseventy2
04-10-2008, 04:29 AM
I've never seen the internal error, and w15 runs happily in the background, but it's still hanging occasionally on receiving, and has to be forcibly "kill -9" before it works again.
Also, and I'm not sure if this is me or not, but when pulling email from my IMAP server it seems to be saying everything is unread if it's new for the device, even if I've read it elsewhere.
Apart from these few niggles, I'm very happy with modest. A HUGE improvement over the built in client. Having looked at creating simple IMAP clients in the past, I know what a b*tch the spec is, so kudos to anyone who can implement a working client.
mscdex
04-10-2008, 03:03 PM
I've only had the internal error happen once a long while back, but haven't since then. Just the other day it notified me of new mail and downloaded the messages no problem. I have the latest version (w15) running on 50-2 (the one prior to the latest OS version).
I'm getting "Error while retrieving email" when trying to open an email from the notification.
brontide
04-11-2008, 08:58 AM
Ok, now It's not checking for new mail even when it's in the foreground ( even the topmost app). Clicking on rescan usually finds the new mail assuming it doesn't sit them saying receiving until I killall modest.
brontide
04-11-2008, 09:41 AM
Oh and also with 15, messages are no longer marked as read on the server.
I'm going to try a complete uninstall, reboot, and see if a reinstall will fix it
brontide
04-11-2008, 11:08 AM
No change... still getting cert error and receiving lockups. Foreground notification works, but background notification is still not working.
Oh, and messages are not marked read on the server after reviewing them in modest
Ok, I need some advice here,
Is it turning out that people are noticing a difference between clean installs and upgrading? What is the recommendation to install the latest version of modest (or other beta software).
In my experience, upgrades are usually stable when it's a final release, but because this is beta there is usually a more cautious approach needed to use the software. Should I do a complete uninstall or do we feel the upgrade is just as effective?
Last thing, is there a changelog or something I can look at to see what bugs are fixed or features are added to the latest version? I couldn't find anything on the modest garage site, is this information publicly available elsewhere?
deadmalc
04-11-2008, 11:54 AM
I've had no trouble upgrading.
The release notes appear when you upgrade :-D
Cheers
Malc
brontide
04-11-2008, 11:55 AM
Is it turning out that people are noticing a difference between clean installs and upgrading?
At this time I have found no significant difference between upgrading and uninstall/reinstall.
just made a couple of bug reports.
1. modest seems to forget that a mail have been deleted locally. as in, i download mails, go offline, delete mails, close down and start modest up again, and the mails are right back in the inbox, with me being offline the whole time.
2. even with a headers only setting it download the whole mails. this is on a pop server, but i know the option is supported so...
munky261
04-11-2008, 10:43 PM
i have found that to work correctly , you need to have the EXACT same info entered into the built in client , set the auto retrieve time the same as in modest , but..LEAVE AUTO RETRIEVE DISABLED on the built in client... ALL info on both apps has to be the same
i have found that to work correctly , you need to have the EXACT same info entered into the built in client , set the auto retrieve time the same as in modest , but..LEAVE AUTO RETRIEVE DISABLED on the built in client... ALL info on both apps has to be the same
I have done as you have suggested; only time will tell if it is "the magic" I've been looking for.
I shut down, sent myself a message, restarted, and waited for a new message notice (the webmail notifier told me immediately that there was a new message). I got the notice a minute or three later, read it, closed the e-mail, sent myself another e-mail, got the notice, opened the e-mail... so now I really just have to wait to see if I get any more errors.
I think I've found the problem with messages getting marked "read" or not:
When I opened an e-mail from the notification box (bottom left of the screen), everything opened correctly, but the message was not marked "read" anywhere else. When I read messages in the Modest app itself, the e-mails are properly marked "read" everywhere.
munky261
04-12-2008, 09:08 AM
i didnt mention that.... but i have noticed that problem as well. im still getting something thats making it lock up occasionally... and i have to killall in xterm. tryin to figure out a pattern of when its doing it...thinking it might be related to my desktop crashing and all my applets and such going away.
sjgadsby
04-12-2008, 10:59 AM
16-1 cannot connect to either of my SSL POP3 accounts.
munky261
04-12-2008, 11:04 AM
ssl access seems to be fubar... never has modest seemed to be able to connect to my gmail account because of a cert error , so i changed to an email addy that doesnt use ssl and it works fine for the most part.
brontide
04-12-2008, 11:08 AM
Great... W16 now says imap.gmail.com server name or port number incorrect. So no new mail unless I use the web.
sjgadsby
04-12-2008, 11:13 AM
ssl access seems to be fubar... never has modest seemed to be able to connect to my gmail account because of a cert error...
Well, for approximately the last two months, Modest has been working well for me with GMail SSL POP3 and an SSL POP3 account I have with a local ISP. 16-1's broken though. Hopefully, 17 will come soon.
i have found that to work correctly , you need to have the EXACT same info entered into the built in client , set the auto retrieve time the same as in modest , but..LEAVE AUTO RETRIEVE DISABLED on the built in client... ALL info on both apps has to be the same
So far so good with munky261's solution (w15)... I've been receiving e-mails without any internal errors for a whole day now. The messages still aren't marked "read" if I read them from the panel notification, only when I read them from the main Modest window.
16-1's broken though. Hopefully, 17 will come soon.
Thanks for the heads-up, I won't upgrade to 16-1.
GeneralAntilles
04-12-2008, 11:47 PM
Great... W16 now says imap.gmail.com server name or port number incorrect. So no new mail unless I use the web.
Well, since nobody bothered to file a bug (that's what you have to do to help things get better), I filled it for you (https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3084).
Well, since nobody bothered to file a bug (that's what you have to do to help things get better), I filled it for you (https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3084).
Hurrah! Thank you. In the words of Sir Topham Hatt, the Fat Controller on Thomas the Tank Engine, "You are a Truly Useful Engine."
sjgadsby
04-13-2008, 07:47 AM
Well, since nobody bothered to file a bug (that's what you have to do to help things get better), I filled it for you (https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3084).
Thanks. I hadn't found the time, and really, it's probably better that you did it. Your reputation may be enough that someone from the maemo team will actually look at the bug.
I've had no trouble upgrading.
The release notes appear when you upgrade :-D
Cheers
Malc
Yea I know, but I wanted to see the changelog or release notes prior to installing the upgrade. Maybe someone can post it as the new updates get released.
Installed 1.0-2008.16-1 through upgrading, now imap gmail (assuming it's the SSL issue) is no longer working. Looking forward to 17-1...
alephito
04-14-2008, 05:41 PM
Is there any way to downgrade from version 17 to 16? I used to follow Qole method, but he was smart enough to avoid last upgrade...
It's ugly and messy. I'll try.
1. Either go into red pill mode in Application manager or use "apt-get remove" as root. Remove the following packages (some may get removed when others are removed also):
modest
libtinymailui-gtk-1.0-0
libtinymailui-1.0-0
libtinymail-maemo-1.0-0 (removed with libtinymailui-gtk-1.0-0)
libtinymail-gnomevfs-1.0-0
libtinymail-1.0-0
libtinymail-camel-1.0-0 (removed with libtinymail-1.0-0)
2. I think you need to be in red pill mode for this. Go to the modest repository (http://modest.garage.maemo.org/repos/dists/chinook/mail/binary-armel/) with your web browser, or, probably easier, use the links in the list below. If you use the repo, you need to install the Feb. 29th version of the following packages (click on the link and use "open"), and I think they need to be in this order. If a package insists on one of the other ones as a dependency, just install the dependency first.
libtinymail-1.0-0_1.0.0-svn3438_armel.deb (http://modest.garage.maemo.org/repos/dists/chinook/mail/binary-armel/libtinymail-1.0-0_1.0.0-svn3438_armel.deb)
libtinymail-camel-1.0-0_1.0.0-svn3438_armel.deb (http://modest.garage.maemo.org/repos/dists/chinook/mail/binary-armel/libtinymail-camel-1.0-0_1.0.0-svn3438_armel.deb)
libtinymail-gnomevfs-1.0-0_1.0.0-svn3438_armel.deb (http://modest.garage.maemo.org/repos/dists/chinook/mail/binary-armel/libtinymail-gnomevfs-1.0-0_1.0.0-svn3438_armel.deb)
libtinymailui-1.0-0_1.0.0-svn3438_armel.deb (http://modest.garage.maemo.org/repos/dists/chinook/mail/binary-armel/libtinymailui-1.0-0_1.0.0-svn3438_armel.deb)
libtinymailui-gtk-1.0-0_1.0.0-svn3438_armel.deb (http://modest.garage.maemo.org/repos/dists/chinook/mail/binary-armel/libtinymailui-gtk-1.0-0_1.0.0-svn3438_armel.deb)
libtinymail-maemo-1.0-0_1.0.0-svn3438_armel.deb (http://modest.garage.maemo.org/repos/dists/chinook/mail/binary-armel/libtinymail-maemo-1.0-0_1.0.0-svn3438_armel.deb)
modest_1.0-2008.10-1_armel.deb (http://modest.garage.maemo.org/repos/dists/chinook/mail/binary-armel/modest_1.0-2008.10-1_armel.deb)
If someone finds a problem with my instructions, my links or the install order, please tell me.
This will probably be obsoleted soon, when they release a fixed version. But if you can't wait for the update...
2 questions:
1. What is the difference from following all of these instructions and simply clicking on uninstall and then running the older debs from here (http://modest.garage.maemo.org/repos/dists/chinook/mail/binary-armel/)?
2. If this is necessary for proper uninstall / downgrade, are these instructions still valid as alephito was asking (i mean besides that I would need to change version numbers from w10 to w14 or whatever I wanted)?
osofast
04-15-2008, 01:24 AM
Hi Guys,
I use pop3 to check my mail and I am also getting the same error. Should I file a separate bug report or will the first one suffice? Maybe Ill just add a comment to the other report.
alephito
04-15-2008, 09:47 AM
2 questions:
1. What is the difference from following all of these instructions and simply clicking on uninstall and then running the older debs from here (http://modest.garage.maemo.org/repos/dists/chinook/mail/binary-armel/)?
That would be the ideal method, at least for me. The only problem I can see is that you will need to set your accounts again, and that you will lose your downloaded/sent e-mails.
1. What is the difference from following all of these instructions and simply clicking on uninstall and then running the older debs from here (http://modest.garage.maemo.org/repos/dists/chinook/mail/binary-armel/)?
That's what those instructions are telling you to do. The problem is that you can't just "apt-get remove modest" because it doesn't remove some of the other libraries. And if you only uninstall and then downgrade the modest package itself, you will probably still keep having some of the problems you were having before. I found that the only way to completely uninstall the modest packages, then install an older version, was to follow those instructions.
2. If this is necessary for proper uninstall / downgrade, are these instructions still valid as alephito was asking (i mean besides that I would need to change version numbers from w10 to w14 or whatever I wanted)?
Yes, you can use those instructions, you'll just have to choose the version you want to downgrade to. The easy way to find the right files to downgrade to is look at the dates on the .debs, they will all be the same date for a single release.
EDIT: I just noticed that the date is the same (11-Apr-2008) for the last two releases, 15 & 16. So it will be a bit trickier. Go for the files with the date-time of 11-Apr-2008 20:07 for W15.
nilchak
04-15-2008, 11:05 PM
same here- after upgrading even pop3 with gmailndies not work.
it seems each alternate upgrade Modest fixes a few bugs and introduces a few new and silly ones. this has been happening for the last 3-4 upgrades.
and I am surprised to hear Modest will be default client on Diablo !
Now I understand whats holding up Diablo, if this is indeed the case.
mobiledivide
04-15-2008, 11:18 PM
Modest was working really well for me until this last update so hopefully its fixed soon . I am disappointed a little but then as always with a Maemo I like it so much and it generally works so well I forget for the most part I am working with early Beta software.
EDIT: I just noticed that the date is the same (11-Apr-2008) for the last two releases, 15 & 16. So it will be a bit trickier. Go for the files with the date-time of 11-Apr-2008 20:07 for W15.
Yea I realized that too, which is why I felt like w14 was the better downgrade (for me) since everything was working great with that beta release.
I don't even want to get into a discussion as to why w15's release is 17 minutes later than w16's. :confused:
munky261
04-16-2008, 12:39 PM
after using apt-get remove to remove all the mentiond libraries , what folders need deleted , because i removed everything , downgraded , and my settings were still there when i started. do i need to delete all account settings from the built in client as well?
munky261
04-16-2008, 01:35 PM
did it again and same result , i deleted home/user/.modest what else needs to go , how do i wipe all traces of modest and settings from my device????
fiferboy
04-16-2008, 01:49 PM
From the command line run this command:
gconftool --recursive-unset /apps/modest
That should get rid of all your account setup information. Removing ".modest" from your home directory and any SD cards it might be on (it is on /media/mmc1 for me) should get rid of all traces.
GeneralAntilles
04-17-2008, 09:36 AM
Three days 'til a fix.
https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3084
nilchak
04-17-2008, 09:49 AM
Can't even read or send any emails now with modest. And no fix yet to fix what was a working app thill the updrage ?
Can believe this.
Each upgrade, something breaks, and I think I will go back to a stable Claws app. Its onlt the finger friendliness of Modest and its clear interface that makes me stay on. Otherwise I see a lot of pain these days with these upgrades.
And I rely on my NIT for emails.
GeneralAntilles
04-17-2008, 09:56 AM
Can't even read or send any emails now with modest. And no fix yet to fix what was a working app thill the updrage ?
Can believe this.
They've fixed it, it'll be released in 3 days. Regressions happen with beta software, it's one of the pitfalls of getting the privilege of early access. :)
Each upgrade, something breaks, and I think I will go back to a stable Claws app. Its onlt the finger friendliness of Modest and its clear interface that makes me stay on. Otherwise I see a lot of pain these days with these upgrades.
That's part of the beta experience, as a tester, your half of the bargain for getting to use the software before release is to find and submit bugs. Yes, it's hard, yes, it can be frustrating, but that's what a beta's about. You're getting the opportunity to help shape the development of a piece of software and make it better for everybody when it finally hits release—use it!
If you don't want to hold up your end of the deal, then stick to non-beta software. :)
And I rely on my NIT for emails.
Then you shouldn't be using beta software. ;)
Hoorah, I've commented on two bugs that are still "bugging" me in W15.
"Internal error: application E-mail closed" (https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2968)
Does not always mark e-mails as `read' (https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2987)
If the "doesn't mark 'read'" bug isn't taken more seriously, I'll have to waste one of my precious votes on it.
brontide
04-17-2008, 02:30 PM
If you don't want to hold up your end of the deal, then stick to non-beta software. :)
You mean like osso-email? :(
nilchak
04-17-2008, 06:10 PM
They've fixed it, it'll be released in 3 days. Regressions happen with beta software, it's one of the pitfalls of getting the privilege of early access. :)
That's part of the beta experience, as a tester, your half of the bargain for getting to use the software before release is to find and submit bugs. Yes, it's hard, yes, it can be frustrating, but that's what a beta's about. You're getting the opportunity to help shape the development of a piece of software and make it better for everybody when it finally hits release—use it!
If you don't want to hold up your end of the deal, then stick to non-beta software. :)
My My, you are up and touchy about a little smack (come on it was just a little and I put some praise in there too to soften it up).
But I accept your point and its well taken.
I can stick for 3 days (as at least I have the webmail interface as a backup). Maybe I will be double carefull of the next upgrade - don't want to be a bleeding edge beta tester really. Am ok with being a 2nd row beta tester for my email client.
But in all seriousness, what irks me, is not that it does have its faults and bugs as a beta software, but that a previously fixed problem comes back in a next iteration. Without knowing much about how Modest is developed and its maintainers, at first glance it speaks to me as a careless upgrade path where some previous fix was left out. I would expect the to-be default mail app for Diablo to have a more stringent control on its development and upgrade cycle. But again this is my thought - may not be the real reason.
Just that.
Then you shouldn't be using beta software. ;)[/QUOTE]
GeneralAntilles
04-17-2008, 08:11 PM
My My, you are up and touchy about a little smack (come on it was just a little and I put some praise in there too to soften it up).
Touchy? No. I dislike it when people misunderstand what the term "beta" actually means and lambasting things for simply being what they are.
But in all seriousness, what irks me, is not that it does have its faults and bugs as a beta software, but that a previously fixed problem comes back in a next iteration.
It's called a regression, and they happen with beta software. When a lot of code is getting changed around all the time, it's easy for small things to get messed up and cause problems like this.
Without knowing much about how Modest is developed and its maintainers, at first glance it speaks to me as a careless upgrade path where some previous fix was left out.
This wasn't something that was "left out", rather, a small new mistake was made.
I would expect the to-be default mail app for Diablo to have a more stringent control on its development and upgrade cycle.
The "stringent control" comes after the product hits release, not before. At the moment, the idea is to get the new code to people as quickly and as often as possible (the open source credo) so they can put their hands on it, test it and recommend improvements. With this method, get have regressions and other minor issues more frequently than a commercial or final product where the beta testing is done internally, put that's part of the tradeoff for getting new code sooner and more frequently.
I say again—if you want stable, stick to non-beta software. :)
chrisak
04-18-2008, 01:41 AM
Looking forward to Sunday! :)
Does anyone know, or was there any discussion about a modest status bar icon / tool in the future? Was thinking it would be handy for quick access to things like "compose message from <account>" when setup with multiple accounts, etc.
osofast
04-18-2008, 01:44 AM
Well if I understand correctly, modest is going to be the default email client. So it will likely have those keys that are already taken up by the crappy default client.
munky261
04-18-2008, 03:04 AM
as far as the statusbar icon/tool is concerned... as useful as that might be i dont think we need anything added that will cause this program to f**k up more than it does already
GeneralAntilles
04-18-2008, 05:14 AM
Does anyone know, or was there any discussion about a modest status bar icon / tool in the future? Was thinking it would be handy for quick access to things like "compose message from <account>" when setup with multiple accounts, etc.
Modest will replace osso-email, so the Contacts taskbar menu will interface with Modest in Diablo. Modest is completely open from end-to-end, so putting together some sort of statusbar or replacement taskbar item wouldn't be too hard.
If you have any specific improvements you're after for the Contacts menu, though, file an enhancement or two over at bugzilla against it.
as far as the statusbar icon/tool is concerned... as useful as that might be i dont think we need anything added that will cause this program to f**k up more than it does already
This is constructive. . . . :rolleyes:
munky261
04-18-2008, 05:20 AM
God knows you only ever have constructive input. :rolleyes:
miind
04-18-2008, 05:42 AM
Talking about diablo, anyone got a clue on when this wonderful thing will be released!?
GeneralAntilles
04-18-2008, 05:45 AM
Talking about diablo, anyone got a clue on when this wonderful thing will be released!?
"Q2 2008"
I'm still maintaining that the Modest betas will be our best metric for judging when we're getting "close".
miind
04-18-2008, 05:50 AM
aha.. Q2 2008, thats now.. and that sounds like a good metric. :)
sjgadsby
04-18-2008, 10:20 AM
"Q2 2008"
I'm still maintaining that the Modest betas will be our best metric for judging when we're getting "close".
A recent comment by timeless (https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2055#c6) on my pet bug (https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2055) may indicate that MicroB has already been frozen in preparation for Diablo's release. "Close" may be at hand.
munky261
04-18-2008, 12:03 PM
judging by progress on modest...i think ill be able to have my delorean hover-converted by diablos release then LOL
judging by progress on modest...i think ill be able to have my delorean hover-converted by diablos release then LOL
Cool, I didn't realize we were that close to hover-converted cars! Where did you sign up for the hover car waiting list?
brontide
04-21-2008, 11:45 AM
just installed 17 and the problem STILL EXISTS
so we just waitedc a week and the bug is still there
GeneralAntilles
04-21-2008, 11:48 AM
just installed 17 and the problem STILL EXISTS
Works just fine here.
munky261
04-21-2008, 12:07 PM
where is 17 , all thats shoing up for me is 16?????
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