[Canola] Canola and OGG support

[nilchak]

Canola works fine with the regular MP3 files that I have, but just doesn't see the OGG files within the same watched folders.

I installed the Ogg support package from Maemo...
(http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/ogg/) and while that helps in Kagu playing my OGG files, Canola doesnt seem to recognise or play the OGG files at all.

Is this missing in Canola and will be added in future or is there a current solution to this ?

[PinCushionQueen]

Here's how I was able to get it to work:

1) Add add this catalog - http://tuomas.kulve.fi/debian
Dist: bora
Components: maemo

I personally deleted my existing Tuomas catalog that was Chinook instead of Bora, not sure if it's absolutely needed though.

2) install libvorbis0a

3) install this deb http://kenneth.christiansen.googlepa..._0.3_armel.deb

4) I can't remember if I rebooted or not, but probably did.

5) Enjoy your oggs :D
this should give you OGG support

[Nikem]

I got it working with nearly the same steps but with tuomas' chinook repository and a reboot was not required. Nice :D

[PinCushionQueen]

Interesting... libvorbis0a was missing from my Chinook Tuomas repo. Ah well, at least we both got it working. I'll try again with the Chinook repo instead of the Bora, maybe the repo was updated?

[nilchak]

I entered the toumas repo,

but I cant find the libvorvis library either (tried both the bora and chinook repos)

Nor can I parse the link in point #2 to a proper link.

Nikem, how did you get the library or the .db file mentioned ?

[Nikem]

The correct link to the file is: ogg-support-lms_0.3_armel.deb (http://kenneth.christiansen.googlepages.com/ogg-support-lms_0.3_armel.deb)
One step I did even before installing canola2 was to install "ogg-support" (v0.4) from the chinook-repository of tuomas.kulve.fi to get the ogg-support for the default mediaplayer.

[PinCushionQueen]

The correct link to the file is: ogg-support-lms_0.3_armel.deb (http://kenneth.christiansen.googlepages.com/ogg-support-lms_0.3_armel.deb)
One step I did even before installing canola2 was to install "ogg-support" (v0.4) from the chinook-repository of tuomas.kulve.fi to get the ogg-support for the default mediaplayer.

Oh thanks Nikem. I when I copied the url from the op, I must have just copied the text :o So sorry for the confusion guys!

[linickx]

I have to drop the app manager into red pill mode to get libvorbis0a installed, I could then install ogg-support-lms from cmd line.

The default media player now sits on a endless "Refreshing Library" loop, and canola now finds and opens the .ogg tracks but doesn't play them, and ideas?

(Am using ITOS 2008 on an n800)

[nilchak]

Thanks Nikem for the link.

I didnt install the libvorbis liobrary (could find it in the Toumas repository). But I had the older OGG support package installed.
I only installed the ogg-spupport-lms.deb file (had to do from command line, using dpkg, it didnt work from the Application manager).

Now Canola does show and play all my ogg files beautilfully.
Thanks for the helping hand everyone.

[mharriger]

After following the steps above, I had to uninstall and reinstall Canola before it would find my OGGs.

[PinCushionQueen]

FWIW, I finally updated to the new OS2008 on my N810 this morning and as a result, I had to reinstall Canola2 as well as ogg support. This time however, I didn't need to follow all of these extraneous steps - I just installed Canola2, Tuomas ogg support and mPlayer. My oggs worked from the start. **Note: I did use the Temporary Maemo Extras repo found @ gronmayer.com.

So if you're still having ogg support problems, perhaps you should try to uninstall and reinstall :D

[kulve]

Interesting... libvorbis0a was missing from my Chinook Tuomas repo.

My ogg-support -package doesn't provide the slow floating point version of the vorbis decoder (libvorbis0a) but the integer only version, i.e. Tremor (libvorbisidec) which is significantly faster on n8x0.

[pablob]

I tried the instructtions with Canola 2 beta 2 in my 770 with OS2007HE and I could not get Canola to recognize my Vorbis files. :-(

I tried both with Tuomas' ogg-support for bora and with mogg 0.2, and none of them seem to work (I did install the linked ogg-lms-support package and libvorbis0a).

I wonder if I can try with Tuomas' chinook packages on OS2007HE...

Bye & Good Luck!

Pablo B.

[Davis-]

I am having some difficulty getting this up:
+os2008 on an n810
+ogg support works for default player
+the given repo is added

-I do not have libvorbis0a package to install
-using the link for ogg-support-lms gives an "incompatible application package" error.

What am I doing wrong?

Any help would be appreciated much -thanks

[handful]

Hi Davis,

I'm forwarding this to kenneth to see what happened. I think we updated the LMS and this may have broken the packages.

thanks for the report...

Marcelo

[handful]

Hi Davis, yes we were missing the package updates, it's now being generated again. We actually wanted to have in the same batch, but we need others packages from the ogg support to be on extras, and they cannot be there (AFAIK) still.. so we will put on the website a easy .install file for it.

Sorry for the trouble, thanks for the report!

Marcelo

[Davis-]

can you provide a link for the said file?

Thanks a bunch

[handful]

Hi Davis, it only works with the unreleased version, just hang on a little bit more and we will release everything :)

BR

Marcelo

[Rebski]

Hhi handful

Nokia N800
Software os2008 version 2.2007.51-3
Canola2 2.0.0-beta6-maemo2
Ogg Support v0.6

Just to add my voice to inability to add ogg support to Canola. It doesn’t make any difference in what sequence Canola and OggSupport is installed or uninstalled.

Also I tried to install
http://kenneth.christiansen.googlepages.com/ogg-support-lms_0.3_armel.deb
but get “incompatible application package” error. Again, any uninstall/reinstall sequence makes no difference.

All of my music files are in ogg format and I really ook forward to the results of your efforts in this.

[Laughing Man]

Hmm does ogg support still cause problems with voice in/out? I read that was a bug in OS2008 (would sometimes cause mutes in voice in or out in Skype/Gizmo/etc.. voice calls).

[Rebski]

Hmm does ogg support still cause problems with voice in/out? I read that was a bug in OS2008 (would sometimes cause mutes in voice in or out in Skype/Gizmo/etc.. voice calls).
The last I saw it still caused problems with the inbuilt Google Video Chat. This drove me and my brother nuts for a long time before the reason was forthcoming.

It caused the mutes you refer to you and also break up and distortion. Several times we found ourselves reverting to using the telephone to speak and the tablets to watch.

[markku]

Canola is getting better and better fast. Team is working hard so thanks for this lovely application. I'm just wondering how is situation about oggs at the moment? I have updated to beta7 but Canola won't show nothing when browsing folder containing oggs.

[handful]

hi Markku, it just misses on package, that it being worked on. I take the blame because I didn't check if the guys were updating it also, and it needed you guys to complain so I could see the error.

we are running with that, but it needed a little bit more tricks than just compile again.
Next week I promise is there. (today is a holiday here in Brazil )


Marcelo

[markku]

Thank you for information. Nice to see that little complaining gets noticed:) Canola is working so nice, keep up good work!

[handful]

Thanks for the understanding Markku, actually all complaining are listened :) maybe we will not implement some that are not in our goals, but ogg is quite important, and unfortunately we did a amateur failure : / we will make it up with ogg users again :)

Br

[jchord]

my ogg's still worked after an update to beta 7. however canola did not seem to realize when the song ended as even though the there would be 0:00 remaining it would not automatically go to the next song.

long story short and one reflash later im in the same boat and can't find the floating point ogg lib.

is it possible the integer only ogg lib be used for better speed?

[handful]

Hi Jchord, we don't do anything related to the ogg besides adding support to the scanner. Of course could be bugs between the messages when they are exchanged between the player and canola, and we can take a better look.

The official package for the beta8 is coming, and for support about the libs you should check out tuomas kulve page, hes the one maintaing this :)

Cheers,

MArcelo

[fredoll]

my ogg's still worked after an update to beta 7. however canola did not seem to realize when the song ended as even though the there would be 0:00 remaining it would not automatically go to the next song.

long story short and one reflash later im in the same boat and can't find the floating point ogg lib.

is it possible the integer only ogg lib be used for better speed?

I had the same problem and it looks like it is related to mplayer ...
I modified my ~/.atabake/config : add "ogg = oms" at the end of section "[Media]" to force Canola to use the built-in media player and it did the trick ...

But then I had installed ogg support before updating to beta 7 ...

[markku]

How about the mogg 0.4.1 package from Tilman Vogel? Is that support package for ogg-vorbis also valid with Canola beta8?

[fredoll]

From what I understand, Canola would support any file that is supported by the built-in media player or mplayer ...
So if you add support for ogg file to the built-in media player it's fine (be it with ogg support or mogg)
BUT the only thing is that it may not see those files ... that is where you need to install support for scanning ogg files (it is available from one of the dev personnal site and handful referenced it earlier in the thread ...)

[handful]

Yeah Fredool you're right, if your default media is able to play it, using =omg on the configure from atabake will do the trick. the missing thing coming in the next release is the new package for the LSM (scanner) support :)

Br

Marcelo

[GeraldKo]

Oh thanks Nikem. I when I copied the url from the op, I must have just copied the text :o So sorry for the confusion guys!

PinCushionQueen, thanks for this ogg/canola help. May I suggest that you Edit your Post #2 (which is where Marcelo's canola beta "manual" (http://openbossa.indt.org.br/canola/using.html#formats) sends the ogg-desiring canola user) to include Nikem's Post #6 link so that people won't have to go searching for it unnecessarily?

[jchord]

humm libvorbis0a is still missing from Tuomas' bora and chinook rep. Not shure how to get ogg working.

[handful]

Jchord : get the LSM files , link on canola website :
http://www.openbossa.indt.org/canola/using.html#formats

[jchord]

using "dpkg -z /media/mmc2/lightmediascanner0-ogg_0.1.9-maemo1_armel.deb" as stated on the site gives me "dpkg: unknown option -z" my guess is the z is a typo. however l am not shure what option i should use.

Edit: "dpkg -i /media/mmc2/lightmediascanner0-ogg_0.1.9-maemo1_armel.deb" leaves me with dependency problems as it looks for libvorbis0a

[handful]

Jchord : sorry for the Z, it's really i, but what ogg package did you install?

I will forward to Etrunko he's the one responsible for it now..
.
Cheers
Marcelo

[jchord]

I tried with both mogg and ogg-support

[Davis-]

I am also unable to install it. Under details it says the package is uninstallable.

[etrunko]

Hi all,

I've got the problem here. The lightmediascanner0-ogg package is depending on libvorbis0a which is not installed by ogg-support package. I'm now building the packages again with this issue fixed. I'll post here again as soon as they're uploaded to the server.

Sorry for the annoyance.

[etrunko]

I've just found the problem is not as simple as it seems. The lightmediascanner0-ogg package actually depends on libvorbis0a. If the former is installed without the latter, it won't work at all. So, until we don't come with an appropriate solution for this issue, would you please perform the following installation steps:

1) Install ogg-support from application manager (instructions in http://ogg.garage.maemo.org)

2) Install libvorbis0a package manually either using application manager in red pill mode or typing the following command in xterm *AS ROOT*

# apt-get install libvorbis0a

3) Finally, download and install the lightmediascanner0-ogg package using either application manager in red pill mode or typing the following command in xterm *AS ROOT*

# dpkg -i path/to/lightmediascanner/package

I'll work on the proper solution together with Tuomas Kulve where we'll provide a dummy package called "canola-ogg-support" or something, which will install the correct dependencies so that canola can play and scan ogg files.

Sorry for the annoyance once again.

[markku]

I did get oggs working in my N810 with these instructions. Not very easy but working solution anyway. I've been waiting this support for Canola2 and now I'm very happy Canola user. Thanks for the Canola team, keep up the good work!

[handful]

Markku: once the packages from the ogg support are in the maemo extras we will be able to simplify this a lot!

Cheers

marcelo

[piku]

Until all the repos are sorted, could you update the Canola page (http://openbossa.indt.org/canola/using.html) to point to the relevant part of this thread? The current method on there doesn't work and is a bit confusing.

I had to re-flash my N800 after a slight accident in the terminal (hint: typing 'apt-get upgrade' and tapping 'Y' is not a good idea!), and it was by pure chance I found this thread while trying to make OGG support work.

PS: Thanks for stopping me from having to buy an iPod ;)

[piku]

Hmm... here's a slightly irritating "feature"...

Canola playing MP3s works fine. Canola playing OGGs stops playing after every track, requiring me to manually press "next track" to hear more music.

This is a fresh install of OS2008, Canola and the OGG libraries.

[handful]

Piku : you need to give us more information :

run canola -vvv on xterm.. try pressing the next button and send us what's on the terminal.

Maybe a bug, and we can fix it

Thanks!

Marcelo

[piku]

OK, here's some output from running Canola from the console. I don't know how much of this you want. If you need stuff before this, just ask

1207933815.7537 DEBUG manager:156:get_class() looking for first class with filter 'Controller/Media/Audio/Local'
1207933815.7591 DEBUG manager:114:get_classes() looking for classes with filter 'Controller/Media/Audio/Local'
1207933815.7651 DBG_W plugin_manager:166:load() no plugin implements filter 'Controller/Media/Audio/Local'
1207933815.7706 DEBUG controller:107:get_controller_class_for_model() looking for controller class with filter 'Controller/Media/Audio' ...
1207933815.7770 DEBUG manager:156:get_class() looking for first class with filter 'Controller/Media/Audio'
1207933815.7827 DEBUG manager:114:get_classes() looking for classes with filter 'Controller/Media/Audio'
1207933815.7888 DEBUG controller:111:get_controller_class_for_model() found controller class with filter 'Controller/Media/Audio'!
1207933815.7956 DEBUG manager:114:get_classes() looking for classes with filter 'Hook/Player/Audio'
1207933815.8023 DBG_W plugin_manager:166:load() no plugin implements filter 'Hook/Player/Audio'
1207933815.8079 DEBUG player:83:_setup_hooks() no hooks with type 'Hook/Player/Audio' for player AudioPlayerController(model=AudioLocalModel(name="(Can't You) Trip Like I Do", parent=True), canvas=True, parent=True)
1207933816.0021 DEBUG model:274:load() loading AudioPlayerOptionsModel(name='Audio Options', parent=False, children=False) ...
1207933816.0081 DEBUG manager:136:get_classes_by_regexp() looking for classes with filter matching regexp 'Model/Options/Action/Player/Audio/[^/]*$'
1207933816.0365 DBG_W model:282:load() Model's do_load() is too slow: 28ms (AudioPlayerOptionsModel)
1207933820.1737 DEBUG controller:522:_player_buffering() Player's Buffering: 100
1207933855.5119 DEBUG controller:522:_player_buffering() Player's Buffering: 0
1207933856.3625 DEBUG controller:522:_player_buffering() Player's Buffering: 100

Every time I press "next" it just prints out


1207934035.9384 DEBUG controller:522:_player_buffering() Player's Buffering: 0
1207934036.8042 DEBUG controller:522:_player_buffering() Player's Buffering: 100


I think there's something not quite right with the OGG part maybe detecting the end of the music. What happens is that the music stops, the time display shows "-00:00" but the play/pause button still shows "pause" and I can pause and unpause still. So it looks like Canola still thinks there's something playing.

[borghal]

I'm having the same behavior from Canola. It worked fine with the last versions, only the newest release can't finish oggs. Since most of my music is oggs I hope this'll get fixed soon. Can I help with my console output? This is just starting and playing one song, with no interaction when it didn't finish (stayed at -0:00 but didn't stop):


[...]
1207996640.2418 DEBUG controller:107:get_controller_class_for_model() looking for controller class with filter 'Controller/Folder/Media/Audio/Local/Album/Songs' ...
1207996640.2458 DEBUG manager:156:get_class() looking for first class with filter 'Controller/Folder/Media/Audio/Local/Album/Songs'
1207996640.2500 DEBUG manager:114:get_classes() looking for classes with filter 'Controller/Folder/Media/Audio/Local/Album/Songs'
1207996640.2603 DBG_W plugin_manager:166:load() no plugin implements filter 'Controller/Folder/Media/Audio/Local/Album/Songs'
1207996640.2651 DEBUG controller:107:get_controller_class_for_model() looking for controller class with filter 'Controller/Folder/Media/Audio/Local/Album' ...
1207996640.2690 DEBUG manager:156:get_class() looking for first class with filter 'Controller/Folder/Media/Audio/Local/Album'
1207996640.2735 DEBUG manager:114:get_classes() looking for classes with filter 'Controller/Folder/Media/Audio/Local/Album'
1207996640.2831 DBG_W plugin_manager:166:load() no plugin implements filter 'Controller/Folder/Media/Audio/Local/Album'
1207996640.2880 DEBUG controller:107:get_controller_class_for_model() looking for controller class with filter 'Controller/Folder/Media/Audio/Local' ...
1207996640.2976 DEBUG manager:156:get_class() looking for first class with filter 'Controller/Folder/Media/Audio/Local'
1207996640.3018 DEBUG manager:114:get_classes() looking for classes with filter 'Controller/Folder/Media/Audio/Local'
1207996640.3058 DBG_W plugin_manager:166:load() no plugin implements filter 'Controller/Folder/Media/Audio/Local'
1207996640.3105 DEBUG controller:107:get_controller_class_for_model() looking for controller class with filter 'Controller/Folder/Media/Audio' ...
1207996640.3196 DEBUG manager:156:get_class() looking for first class with filter 'Controller/Folder/Media/Audio'
1207996640.3235 DEBUG manager:114:get_classes() looking for classes with filter 'Controller/Folder/Media/Audio'
1207996640.3280 DBG_W plugin_manager:166:load() no plugin implements filter 'Controller/Folder/Media/Audio'
1207996640.3375 DEBUG controller:107:get_controller_class_for_model() looking for controller class with filter 'Controller/Folder/Media' ...
1207996640.3419 DEBUG manager:156:get_class() looking for first class with filter 'Controller/Folder/Media'
1207996640.3511 DEBUG manager:114:get_classes() looking for classes with filter 'Controller/Folder/Media'
1207996640.3551 DBG_W plugin_manager:166:load() no plugin implements filter 'Controller/Folder/Media'
1207996640.3598 DEBUG controller:107:get_controller_class_for_model() looking for controller class with filter 'Controller/Folder' ...
1207996640.3694 DEBUG manager:156:get_class() looking for first class with filter 'Controller/Folder'
1207996640.3737 DEBUG manager:114:get_classes() looking for classes with filter 'Controller/Folder'
1207996640.3778 DEBUG controller:111:get_controller_class_for_model() found controller class with filter 'Controller/Folder'!
1207996640.3828 DEBUG model:274:load() loading AudioLocalAlbumMediaModelFolder(name='Deaf Dumb Blind', parent=True, children=False) ...
1207996640.3924 DEBUG controller:58:get_cursor() Returning db's cursor
1207996645.7027 DEBUG controller:107:get_controller_class_for_model() looking for controller class with filter 'Controller/Media/Audio/Local' ...
1207996645.7133 DEBUG manager:156:get_class() looking for first class with filter 'Controller/Media/Audio/Local'
1207996645.7339 DEBUG manager:114:get_classes() looking for classes with filter 'Controller/Media/Audio/Local'
1207996645.7379 DBG_W plugin_manager:166:load() no plugin implements filter 'Controller/Media/Audio/Local'
1207996645.7426 DEBUG controller:107:get_controller_class_for_model() looking for controller class with filter 'Controller/Media/Audio' ...
1207996645.7523 DEBUG manager:156:get_class() looking for first class with filter 'Controller/Media/Audio'
1207996645.7566 DEBUG manager:114:get_classes() looking for classes with filter 'Controller/Media/Audio'
1207996645.8354 DEBUG manager:156:get_class() looking for first class with filter 'Controller/Media'
1207996645.8394 DEBUG manager:114:get_classes() looking for classes with filter 'Controller/Media'
1207996645.9062 DEBUG manager:156:get_class() looking for first class with filter 'Player'
1207996645.9101 DEBUG manager:114:get_classes() looking for classes with filter 'Player'
1207996645.9148 DEBUG manager:156:get_class() looking for first class with filter 'Model/Notify/Error'
1207996645.9240 DEBUG manager:114:get_classes() looking for classes with filter 'Model/Notify/Error'
1207996645.9284 DEBUG manager:156:get_class() looking for first class with filter 'OptionsControllerMixin'
1207996645.9323 DEBUG manager:114:get_classes() looking for classes with filter 'OptionsControllerMixin'
1207996645.9457 INFO plugin_manager:155:_load_plugins() loaded plugin 'Media Base UI' with filters ['Controller/Media']
1207996645.9503 DEBUG manager:156:get_class() looking for first class with filter 'Model/Options/Folder/Player/Audio'
1207996645.9543 DEBUG manager:114:get_classes() looking for classes with filter 'Model/Options/Folder/Player/Audio'
1207996645.9634 DEBUG manager:156:get_class() looking for first class with filter 'Model/Options/Folder'
1207996645.9733 DEBUG manager:114:get_classes() looking for classes with filter 'Model/Options/Folder'
1207996645.9775 DEBUG manager:156:get_class() looking for first class with filter 'Model/Options/Action'
1207996645.9818 DEBUG manager:114:get_classes() looking for classes with filter 'Model/Options/Action'
1207996646.0096 DEBUG manager:156:get_class() looking for first class with filter 'Controller/Options/CheckedFolder'
1207996646.0139 DEBUG manager:114:get_classes() looking for classes with filter 'Controller/Options/CheckedFolder'
1207996646.0320 INFO plugin_manager:155:_load_plugins() loaded plugin 'Audio Player Options' with filters ['Model/Options/Action/Player/Audio/Shuffle', 'Controller/Options/Folder/Player/Audio', 'Model/Options/Folder/Media/Audio/AlbumArt', 'Model/Options/Action/Player/Audio/Repeat', 'Model/Options/Folder/Media/Audio/Local/AlbumArt', 'Model/Options/Folder/Player/Audio']
1207996646.0780 INFO plugin_manager:155:_load_plugins() loaded plugin 'Audio Player UI' with filters ['Controller/Media/Audio']
1207996646.0825 DEBUG controller:111:get_controller_class_for_model() found controller class with filter 'Controller/Media/Audio'!
1207996646.1106 DEBUG controller:107:get_controller_class_for_model() looking for controller class with filter 'Controller/Media/Audio/Local' ...
1207996646.1152 DEBUG manager:156:get_class() looking for first class with filter 'Controller/Media/Audio/Local'
1207996646.1191 DEBUG manager:114:get_classes() looking for classes with filter 'Controller/Media/Audio/Local'
1207996646.1288 DBG_W plugin_manager:166:load() no plugin implements filter 'Controller/Media/Audio/Local'
1207996646.1339 DEBUG controller:107:get_controller_class_for_model() looking for controller class with filter 'Controller/Media/Audio' ...
1207996646.1381 DEBUG manager:156:get_class() looking for first class with filter 'Controller/Media/Audio'
1207996646.1420 DEBUG manager:114:get_classes() looking for classes with filter 'Controller/Media/Audio'
1207996646.1512 DEBUG controller:111:get_controller_class_for_model() found controller class with filter 'Controller/Media/Audio'!
1207996646.1564 DEBUG manager:114:get_classes() looking for classes with filter 'Hook/Player/Audio'
1207996646.1698 DEBUG manager:156:get_class() looking for first class with filter 'Hook/Player'
1207996646.1737 DEBUG manager:114:get_classes() looking for classes with filter 'Hook/Player'
1207996646.1812 INFO plugin_manager:155:_load_plugins() loaded plugin 'Lastfm Scrobbler' with filters ['Hook/Player/Audio']
1207996646.2869 WARNI audio_scrobbler:65:media_changed() media changed to Rosegrove
1207996646.3973 DEBUG model:274:load() loading AudioPlayerOptionsModel(name='Audio Options', parent=False, children=False) ...
1207996646.4017 DEBUG manager:136:get_classes_by_regexp() looking for classes with filter matching regexp 'Model/Options/Action/Player/Audio/[^/]*$'
1207996646.4332 DBG_W model:282:load() Model's do_load() is too slow: 32ms (AudioPlayerOptionsModel)
1207996651.5395 DEBUG controller:522:_player_buffering() Player's Buffering: 0
1207996651.9333 DBG_E controller:334:get_duration() Could not get duration: org.freedesktop.DBus.Python.AttributeError: Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/dbus/service.py", line 696, in _message_cb
retval = candidate_method(self, *args, **keywords)
File "atabake/lib/player_session.py", line 334, in get_duration
File "atabake/players/mplayer_backend.py", line 384, in get_duration
AttributeError: 'int' object has no attribute 'replace'

1207996651.9387 DBG_E controller:473:update_trackbar() Duration invalid
1207996652.4838 DEBUG controller:522:_player_buffering() Player's Buffering: 100

If you need more, please let me know.
Thanks for your great work!

[handful]

Hi guys thanks for the feedback... We are already investigating.

Marcelo

[Davis-]

I am beginning to think there is something wrong with my tablet! I followed the instructions given in the previous post and I have still have no ogg files in canola. I can see/play them in media player, I can play them in canola if I start a podcast and let it continue on. I have no files when I try to view my music though. I double checked I had the files installed- and they are all there. So what am I doing wrong?

[handful]

Hi Davis,

Did you selected the folder where your .oggs are in the media library -> folders?

Also : I know you followed the instructions, but one "/" wrong or missing slash or things like that can mess up everything : / can you make sure you did it "100%" equal to the instructions?

This is a little bit more complicated thing to help because there's no easy way to debug this : /

Marcelo

[Davis-]

Marcelo,
Thanks for the reply. Yes I have the folder selected. I tried selecting the parent directory, and then I at least had media- my podcasts all showed up.
100% ? As I said, I checked that both libvorbis0a and lightmediascaner were installed-which they were. Is there a better more complete way of verifying ?

[handful]

I'm trying to verify that with Etrunko (who is doing the easier packages with Tuomas by now) But is harder as this is not related to Canola itself and indeed to the scanner (LMS).

I need to check with him if theres a way to make the scanner print some error information to help you

Marcelo

[qwerty12]

Would those instructions work with mogg instead?

The speex codec in ogg-support breaks voip so i'm a bit more inclined towards mogg.

[fredoll]

I'm having the same behavior from Canola. It worked fine with the last versions, only the newest release can't finish oggs. Since most of my music is oggs I hope this'll get fixed soon. Can I help with my console output? This is just starting and playing one song, with no interaction when it didn't finish (stayed at -0:00 but didn't stop):

If you need more, please let me know.
Thanks for your great work!

This problem was already encountered : it looks like a problem with mplayer so you have to edit your .atabake/config file to associate ogg with the built-in player => ogg = oms (if memory serves)

I'm sure handful (or a search in the same topic for beta7) can complete this ...

Fred

[borghal]

Thank you, problem solved. I didn't know it came up before. I changed ~/.atabake/config to general=oms and it works fine. :)

[jamesshuang]

Wow, I'm at the end of my line here. Where the heck do I find the lightmediascanner0-ogg package? The instructions just ask me to dpkg -i the package, but gives me nowhere to actually download the bloody thing!

[piku]

This problem was already encountered : it looks like a problem with mplayer so you have to edit your .atabake/config file to associate ogg with the built-in player => ogg = oms (if memory serves)

I'm sure handful (or a search in the same topic for beta7) can complete this ...

Fred

Yep, that fixed it for me too. I can have music in my car again now :)

[piku]

Wow, I'm at the end of my line here. Where the heck do I find the lightmediascanner0-ogg package? The instructions just ask me to dpkg -i the package, but gives me nowhere to actually download the bloody thing!

Yeah, same here now. Having just bought an N810 I'm going back through this.

I think the link to the lightmediascanner0-ogg package was on the Canola site, but it seems to have gone, or it wasn't. Googling for it just brings up this thread and nothing else.

I searched Gronmayer but there's no entry for it either.

[frogman]

Today (2006-04-26) I followed the directions found here:
http://openbossa.indt.org.br/canola/using.html#formats
(click the link in the footnote that says: "you must follow this instructions" )

lightmediascanner0-ogg:
http://kenneth.christiansen.googlepages.com/ogg-support-lms_0.3_armel.deb

Also, for those of you who want to continue to use voip function in gtalk... open xterm and type:
sudo gainroot
cd /usr/lib/gstreamer-<0.10 or something.. it may vary>
mv ./libgstspeex.so ./old_libgstspeex.so

Worked for me.

[AstralStorm]

Now there is lightmediascanner0-ogg, but deps on ogg-support 0.7, which I couldn't find.
Any advice?
(yes, old instructions do work)

[qwerty12]

Just want to point out that 0.4 is available:
http://kenneth.christiansen.googlepages.com/ogg-support-lms_0.4_armel.deb

AStorm, it's Tuomas's Kulve's ogg support from the OS2008 software catalogue.

[AstralStorm]

qwerty12: I see only version 0.6 there, not 0.7 as required by lightmediascanner0-ogg...
Thanks for newer -lms

[qwerty12]

Hmm that's odd.

In version 0.4 of lms, it says ogg-support (>=0.2)

Maybe it will work with 0.6? (But I think that is a mistake on the author's part. 0.7 doesn't exist, maybe thats why 0.4 was made?)

[qwerty12]

Ok, thanks to AStorm/AstralStorm for testing this out.

This is lightmediascanner0 with the ogg-support pointing to 0.6 (which actually exists :p)
http://www.mediafire.com/?im21s1n2mg1

You will also need a newer libvorbisidec which can be obtained from here:
https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/2423/libvorbisidec1_1.2.0-2_armel.deb

According to AStorm,

<AStorm> new one loads faster :)
<AStorm> visibly
<AStorm> as fast as MP3
<AStorm> and seems to skip less (none)
<AStorm> definitely an improvement

:). I'd be interested to hear other experiences as I don't use OGG's atm :)

[Davis-]

Trying to get the lightmediascanner-ogg working, and that needs liblightmediascanner any clues where that one is?? How's the ogg-support package coming?

[handful]

Hi Davis : the ogg support is not our projects : / but look on the other posts there's the link!

Marcelo

[etrunko]

Just to inform you guys that Canola now works with ogg support. Please check the post on my blog for the link:

http://etrunko.blogspot.com/2008/05/ogg-support-on-canola2.html

Best regards, Etrunko.

[st5150]

Tried to install from the link above and got complaints about libvorbisidec1. I uninstalled mogg and the package installed just fine. Canola just became ten times more usable for me. Thanks!

[etrunko]

I'm glad it worked for you. I've just found today that we have two different solutions for Ogg in Maemo. Tuomas' ogg-support and mogg, developed by Tilman Vogel. I'll study and talk to the guys responsible for both projects and try to find a unified solution for this.

[kulve]

I'll study and talk to the guys responsible for both projects and try to find a unified solution for this.

This was discussed earlier and the mogg and the ogg-support has a bit different goals and therefore we didn't come up with a plan to have only one ogg project for maemo.

[Davis-]

Thank you guys-
Marcello, Tuomas and Eduardo. Thanks for putting up with my questions (and sometimes attitude)! It works for me- after 6 months of doing everything but recompiling the kernel. I am going to back up my tablet and never update now!

Thanks again
Davis-

[earth2marsh]

Just to inform you guys that Canola now works with ogg support. Please check the post on my blog for the link:
http://etrunko.blogspot.com/2008/05/ogg-support-on-canola2.html
YAY! Thank you, thank you, thank you a thousand times! After months of OGG frustration, I can now play my music in Canola! O frabjous day, callooh, callay!

[spock128]

Has anyone gotten this to work on the 770/OS2006? I tried installing Tuomas' ogg-support-lightmediascanner (through dpkg -i) but it did nothing. It seems that its dependencies aren't available for OS2006

[vinc17]

I followed the instructions on http://openbossa.indt.org/canola2/add.html, but the package for Ogg support cannot be installed due to missing dependencies on diablo. Any news?

[handful]

Hi Vinc,

As you probably heard Diablo's new way for deploy software implicates that the build must be done on the server, so until the ogg support code is not uploaded there(by the maintainers) our ogg support for diablo will not work, because it can't get compiled...

So sorry for this but we are also waiting for the ogg developers...

Br

Marcelo

[markku]

Hi. I have installed latest Canola for Diablo and it seems to play oggs straight without separate ogg-support package. Is this true?

Canola is running very well on Diablo. Thank you Canola team!

[vinc17]

Hi. I have installed latest Canola for Diablo and it seems to play oggs straight without separate ogg-support package. Is this true?
Here it finds nothing in my Audio folders, though they are full of ogg files.

[markku]

Well false alarm about that ogg support, I deleted .canola folder and restarted tablet and started Canola. No oggs found, quess it was old database that made possible to play tnose oggs. So, waiting for the ogg-support update for Diablo. :confused:

[handful]

Hi guys, indeed..

Now we need the ogg support for diablo to be there on the server to be able to compile canola's ogg support. : /

Sorry for the inconvenience

[jchord]

any idea when the ogg developers will update for diablo? as i would like to use diablo but i have a full 16 gb sd card of oggs i don't want to convert

[kulve]

Looks like the ogg-support from chinook adds the ogg support for GStreamer but the Metalayer Crawler doesn't find oggs anymore.

[danramos]

Conspiracy!

[handful]

Kulve: the problem is that it adds from Chinook, and Canola-ogg support for Diablo is built following the diablo rules, on the server. So we cannot do hacks on this. Once Ogg support is ON DIABLO repositories, our ogg support in the scanner will be able to compiled as well. today it will give "no dependencies" :/

BR
Marcelo

[kulve]

Once Ogg support is ON DIABLO repositories, our ogg support in the scanner will be able to compiled as well. today it will give "no dependencies" :/


Do you mean that the ogg-support must be buildable on the new style servers from sources as well? That might be hard since I'm using existing packages which I have modified (gst-plugins-*). And those probably cannot be rebuilt there as there is already source packages named like that?

The other problem is that the metalayercrawler seems to unable to find oggs in diablo anymore with my hacks. So we need to find new tricks for diablo.

[handful]

Unm, Yes Kulve, it seems we need this (pointed by etrunko) but I must say he's the guy who knows that so things could be changed.

About the metalayercrawler, that is really sad :/ I will put Etrunko in the loop to see what we can do to solve this in our side then :)

Thanks anyhow for the info :) it will be of great help!

Marcelo

[hircus]

Do you mean that the ogg-support must be buildable on the new style servers from sources as well? That might be hard since I'm using existing packages which I have modified (gst-plugins-*). And those probably cannot be rebuilt there as there is already source packages named like that?

The ideal solution would be for Nokia to actually ship the Vorbis decoding plugin from upstream. Or let kulve help them out with gstreamer?

I wonder if a strategy similar to how the Livna repository (3rd party non-free for Fedora) packages xine's non-free plugins might work: build the entire modified gstreamer framework (with a single .dsc), and then just exclude or remove the files already packaged by Nokia.

[pycage]

Is there any reason why the scanner requires Ogg gstreamer playback support for just reading the tags? I think this is the real "bug" here, and is certainly a show-stopper for Canola on Diablo.

Ogg playback is still possible via mplayer. The only piece missing in the Canola-Diablo-Ogg puzzle is the scanner.
Don't you think so?

[handful]

Oycage : yes, it is, but as you read Tuomas answers, the code is not on diablos build server. We can just make a deb and install, but we thought that the support was going into extras, so to enter extras you need to user THEIR build system, and our ogg support depends on Tuomas support.

So now that we know that it's not going to be there, we will do the ugly way and make a deb and place on the website for download.

To read the tags (I will ask etrunko to back me up here) it really needs the lib, but I think you deserve a better answer :)

Marcelo

[pycage]

Yeah, I know that it needs the lib, but I don't really see a reason why. :)

A little C code for parsing the Ogg tags is no big thing, and Ogg tags are not such a mess like ID3. ;)
There's plenty of free C code for Ogg tag parsing around, I think.
This could help Canola with Ogg on Diablo since getting ogg-support on Diablo is such a problem.
It would also make the LMS smaller in size and more performant on Oggs.

Just my 2 ¢. :)

[etrunko]

Do you mean that the ogg-support must be buildable on the new style servers from sources as well? That might be hard since I'm using existing packages which I have modified (gst-plugins-*). And those probably cannot be rebuilt there as there is already source packages named like that?

AFAIK, there is no problem in rebuilding a package which is already in the repositories. At least, this is not a problem for extras/extras-devel repositories, don't know if this applies to the official nokia packages. It's a good test case. :)

The other problem is that the metalayercrawler seems to unable to find oggs in diablo anymore with my hacks. So we need to find new tricks for diablo.

As canola does not use the metalayer crawler, this problem does not affect us at all. But to provide the support "natively" in the built-in media player, it is a must.

[etrunko]

The ideal solution would be for Nokia to actually ship the Vorbis decoding plugin from upstream. Or let kulve help them out with gstreamer?

Definitely! They should support Ogg out-of-the-box. Let's hope the new HTML5 specification (which recommends Ogg as baseline format) helps to change things. Please vote for maemo bug #176 (https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=176). Looks like they are working on the issue.

I wonder if a strategy similar to how the Livna repository (3rd party non-free for Fedora) packages xine's non-free plugins might work: build the entire modified gstreamer framework (with a single .dsc), and then just exclude or remove the files already packaged by Nokia.

This 3rd party (free and non-free) infrastructure is already there. I've worked together with Maemo's webmaster and only with that we could have Canola working on Diablo.

[kulve]

AFAIK, there is no problem in rebuilding a package which is already in the repositories. At least, this is not a problem for extras/extras-devel repositories, don't know if this applies to the official nokia packages. It's a good test case. :)


Even if it would succeed it might be a bit odd for those who would like to get source for the Nokia's version of the gstreamer and "apt-get source gstreamer-something" would fetch my sources if the extras/extras-devel repository is in the sources.list.

But that's a "problem" already if one has my repo in the sources.list..

[etrunko]

Is there any reason why the scanner requires Ogg gstreamer playback support for just reading the tags? I think this is the real "bug" here, and is certainly a show-stopper for Canola on Diablo.

Lightmediascanner only needs libogg and libvorbisidec (a bit patched) to read the tags from ogg. The playback support is responsibility of either osso-media-server (thus the gst-plugins-*) or mplayer.

Ogg playback is still possible via mplayer. The only piece missing in the Canola-Diablo-Ogg puzzle is the scanner.
Don't you think so?

That's it.

[hircus]

Even if it would succeed it might be a bit odd for those who would like to get source for the Nokia's version of the gstreamer and "apt-get source gstreamer-something" would fetch my sources if the extras/extras-devel repository is in the sources.list.

But that's a "problem" already if one has my repo in the sources.list..

I'm rather curious: why can't the gstreamer vorbisidec plugin be built against Nokia's stock gstreamer-base? Considering the binary package does not need the rest of the modified gstreamer stack?

[kulve]

I'm rather curious: why can't the gstreamer vorbisidec plugin be built against Nokia's stock gstreamer-base? Considering the binary package does not need the rest of the modified gstreamer stack?

The vorbisidec comes from the gst bad, so it could be built ok I guess, but the ogg-support packages provides also ogg demuxer (from base) speex (from good) and theora (from base).

And Nokia's base doesn't provide theora and Nokia's good doesn't provide speex nor ogg demuxer, so I need to modify those source packages to provide new binary packages for these plugins.

[hircus]

The vorbisidec comes from the gst bad, so it could be built ok I guess, but the ogg-support packages provides also ogg demuxer (from base) speex (from good) and theora (from base).

And Nokia's base doesn't provide theora and Nokia's good doesn't provide speex nor ogg demuxer, so I need to modify those source packages to provide new binary packages for these plugins.

So have your source package contain the tarballs for base, good and bad, and just compile the parts you need? If Debian's packaging system does not allow for multiple tarballs (still? RPM handles multiple sources fine), make your own composite tarball.

[markku]

Now we have Ogg-support 0.8 for Diablo and does this mean that Canola will also benefit with this update? Hope so because I did install the ogg-support 0.8 but no oggs in Canola, what a suprise...

Oh well, I have MediaBox installed in my N810 and I think it will be my future choice for media if this is so complicated to even get oggs to play in Canola.

[handful]

Hi Markku,

I understand your frustation and I cannot say anything else in "defense" more than "we are trying".

Hope you still try Canola in the future as the new releases go out!

Br

Marcelo

[etrunko]

The good news is that we will have ogg support back in the beta10 version. We're still fixing the bugs for this release. Thank you all for understanding.

[Rebski]

Hi etrunko, just wondering how you are progressing with ogg.

i am running beta 10 and have just received the ogg-support v0.9. Still no luck.

How are you getting on? UKMP doesn't support ogg any longer either so it seems to be a difficult issue