Factory sticker ruining my screen protector

[krisse]

I just got my N810 and for some reason I can't explain they decided to put a silver sticker on top of the screen protector. When I peeled it off (which wasn't easy as it came off in bits) it left behind a sticky silver diamond pattern, which just smudges when I try to remove it.

It's VERY annoying! If I hadn't had an 80% discount on the whole thing I'd be demanding a replacement screen protector.

Has anyone else found this sticker on their tablet when they bought it?

[powder2000]

Why don't you get a real screen protector. That is only meant to be a temporary screen protector during shipment. IMHO not something to demand a refund for. Maybe I'm misunderstanding you on this.

[anidel]

Yeah I too think that's NOT a screen protector to be left on place.
It's meant to be removed.

[krisse]

Yeah I too think that's NOT a screen protector to be left on place.
It's meant to be removed.

Are you saying they expect people to use the stylus directly on the actual screen?

Or do they expect 100% of their customers to purchase a third party screen protector in advance of their purchase?

Very few ordinary people actually buy screen protectors, and if this touchscreen device is supposed to be aimed more at ordinary consumers then they have to include a useable screen protector with the package.


IMHO not something to demand a refund for. Maybe I'm misunderstanding you on this.

Just to clarify (I did edit shortly after posting) I'd be demanding a screen protector from them, not the whole tablet.

[Texrat]

Anidel and powder2000 are correct. That film is for shipping protection only. It is NOT a screen protector as most understand them, nor will it function well as one.

[krisse]

Anidel and powder2000 are correct. That film is for shipping protection only. It is NOT a screen protector as most understand them, nor will it function well as one.

Well, if that's true, I've got to say I'm flabbergasted. I don't see any kind of warning anywhere on the packaging telling me to buy a screen protector, nor is there one bundled with it.

There is however something stuck to the screen that looks just like a screen protector, so I assumed it was one.

So if I actually use this device without any third party products, it will permanently ruin the screen after just a few weeks? Is that really a wise thing for a device that costs about $600 here in Europe?

This is the equivalent of selling an expensive car with things that LOOK just like tyres but are actually completely unroadworthy.

With non-touch devices this is all understandable, the screen doesn't come under much stress, but with a touch-based devices they shouldn't be shipping them without offering proper protection of the screen.

[rcadden]

I've been using my N800 without the screen protector for several months now and there's no degradation in touchscreen performance.

[krisse]

I've been using my N800 without the screen protector for several months now and there's no degradation in touchscreen performance.

Yes, but there must be lots of scratches all over the screen?

[anidel]

Are you saying they expect people to use the stylus directly on the actual screen?

Exactly.
The touch screens are scratch resistant. To some extent.
They are designed to be used without any sticker on them.

[rcadden]

Yes, but there must be lots of scratches all over the screen?

actually, not really. I used it with the 'screen protector' on for several several months, and that thing was scratched to heck, so I was hesitant to pull it off. I fully intended to get a replacement one, but never did, and now I've noticed that there's nary a scratch.

I can post pics/vid if you'd like?

[Texrat]

Yes, but there must be lots of scratches all over the screen?

No. Not if it's treated with care.

But I recommend screen protectors anyway. Scratching can occur in areas of heavy use, even if care is taken.

As to the shipping film, the silver tab is meant to remove it (but occasionally separates). IMO this purpose should be self-obvious. Regardless, I don't see it as a big issue...

[anidel]

Yes, but there must be lots of scratches all over the screen?

Nope.
My N800's screen (got it January 26th more or less 2007) is clean and has no scratches.
Your mileage may vary, so if you don't feel safe, go buy one.

I, personally, don't like them. They reduce the visibility and the sensitiveness of the screen.

[krisse]

I dunno... it just seems like it's common sense to include some kind of changeable protective film on a touchscreen, even if it is (to some extent) scratch resistant.

It wouldn't cost much, and it would make me feel a lot more comfortable about regularly scratching an extremely expensive bit of equipment.

[Texrat]

The stylus tip shouldn't scratch the screen under normal use. Problems do occur when people (like my kids) overestimate how much force is required. The screen responds to very light input, and the stylus tip is smooth.

What I've noticed that causes significant scratching is leaving dust or grime on the screen. Going over this gunk with the stylus WILL increase the likelihood of scratching. Keep your screen clean, pay attention to the pressure you're applying, and you should be fine.

[krisse]

Just to put this in context, my N800 is a review unit from Nokia which had been through the hands of several tech journalists before me, by the look of the box quite a lot of journalists. None of them had removed the film.

I can't be the only one who regards this as a bona fide screen protector that's meant to be left in place, there must be others who assume this film serves a purpose.


What I've noticed that causes significant scratching is leaving dust or grime on the screen. Going over this gunk with the stylus WILL increase the likelihood of scratching. Keep your screen clean, pay attention to the pressure you're applying, and you should be fine.

...but that's exactly what the shipping film would do, it would prevent dust or dirt getting anywhere near the screen.

[Texrat]

I can't be the only one who regards this as a bona fide screen protector that's meant to be left in place, there must be others who assume this film serves a purpose.

On one hand I can see your point, krisse... but two things lead me to wonder why anyone makes this assumption:

1. As previously stated, the silver tab should be a clue that there is something unusual going on. People should assume it serves a valid function... and that function isn't hard to determine once one thinks about it.

2. The shipping film scratches VERY easily. Again, another clue. No true protector would be as soft and scratchable as these things.

That said, assuming the customer will figure out a mystery may not always be the best approach. ;) Unfortunately my position keeps me from expounding further on the subject.

[Texrat]

...but that's exactly what the shipping film would do, it would prevent dust or dirt getting anywhere near the screen.

Right-- DURING SHIPPING.

[kingka]

havnt used a screen protector, I've had mine for a few months. use it everyday. no scratches. but i have ordered a screen protector...

[sevo]

Well, if that's true, I've got to say I'm flabbergasted. I don't see any kind of warning anywhere on the packaging telling me to buy a screen protector, nor is there one bundled with it.


Stylus screens are designed to survive the supplied stylus for the estimated type and time of use - they don't really need a screen protector, and among my entire collection of Palms, mobiles and media players I have never had a device that was shipped with a screen protector.


There is however something stuck to the screen that looks just like a screen protector, so I assumed it was one.


That is a transport protector, and supposed to be removed before use just like the transport protectors on most other display-equipped products you'll buy - way too soft for a screen protector, but it can be abused as such for a few days or even weeks, until you bought sth. real.


So if I actually use this device without any third party products, it will permanently ruin the screen after just a few weeks?

No. Heavily using it without a screen protector in rough conditions might ruin it within a year or so. But on average, the screen foil can be expected to outlive the device. Most of my Palms, used without a screen protector, looked a bit worn by the time they died (usually due to their unreplaceable battery failing or the screen glass cracking thanks to a drop), but the touch sensor was still working fine...

[GeneralAntilles]

There are a ton of devices out there that come with throw-away plastic films for protecting various things. The N800/N810 are neither the first nor last in this tradition.

Really, I don't see a problem with leaving the protector on (I used mine for 6 months). It's not much less durable than the throwaway protectors you find on ebay, and it's already been applied for you. Sure, it doesn't last long, but there's no harm in leaving it on there (and, in my opinion, it's better to scratch that than the screen itself).

If it works for you, fine, if not that's fine, too.

No. Heavily using it without a screen protector in rough conditions might ruin it within a year or so.

My 770 went for a little over a year of heavy use without a screen protector. It was a little scratched, but not noticeably so when I got my N800. I decided to leave the factory protector on my N800 because I just couldn't stand the idea of having a screen scratched up again (however faintly). I eventually replaced it with a Boxwave anti-glare, and probably the best thing out of that decision was the awesome anti-glare properties, which make the screen readable in a lot more lighting conditions.

[krisse]

The silver tab comes off quite easily on its own, it's not connected to the protector the way Nokia's screen films all used to be, so Nokia is actually making the purpose LESS obvious.

I suspect this is because a lot of customers (like myself) quite like having a plastic film to take the knocks instead of the actual screen, even if the screen itself could cope with the required stresses.

I have an E61 which is over a year old, and its film is still neatly in place.


Right-- DURING SHIPPING.

Why would it not prevent dust and grime after shipping?

There are absolutely no loose edges or bubbles, in fact if you remove the silver tab there's absolutely no way of knowing there even is a plastic film there.

[Texrat]

krisse, I get the feeling you're arguing for the sake of arguing now. You've been presented with sound explanations.

As for the silver tab, it usually sticks to the shipping film well enough to remove it. It occasionally does not. Still, I think reasonable people should be able to figure out its intended use with a little thought.

As to your last question, I'm not sure what you're getting at. Of course it can protect from dust and grime after shipping. But that isn't its intended use! AGAIN: the shipping film is soft and scratches easier than true screen protectors.

This thread is getting exasperating for me, so I give up. I tried.

[dubiousmike]

The Quick Start guide clearly states to remove the plastic film and has a tab to grab it easily. This is NOT meant to be used regularly.

[Texrat]

The Quick Start guide clearly states to remove the plastic film and has a tab to grab it easily. This is NOT meant to be used regularly.

I was thinking that should be covered by the Guide but didn't have one handy. Thanks Mike.

[yueq]

I have seen people using seat covers in the car, leaving TV remote in the plastic bag, etc., so to each his own. I don't use screen protect and there isn't a single scratch yet.

[Laughing Man]

Hey, I notice you live in Germantown! That's cool I live in Poolesville (about 20 minutes off!)

Anyway. I still have the existing one that came with the tablet on it (with the diamond sticker residue) but that's because I'm waiting on a screen protector. And yeah I know you can use a touch screen device without a protector, my Nintendo DS is an example of that. And there's no loss in touch sensitivity. It's just scratched a bit and obvious when it's off (when it's on you can't see them).

[spiderx]

I left the bag on my boxsprings when I bought a new bed. I mean, why take it out of the bag if you can use it with the bag still on it? I did that for about a year before my cat tore through the bag.

[nef919]

Don't see the big deal. I had ordered some screen protectors, but left the shipping protector on. (A napkin and some lighter fluid got the silver stuff and residue off) Bought the n800 last year in Jan and the n810 in Nov this year. Both have the same film that they shipped with. Yes the n800 film if scratched quite a bit, but doesn't interfere with visibility so its still on. When it gets to bother me I will apply the ones I ordered.

[barry99705]

That's it. I'm calling Honda for a new car!! It didn't come with a scratch resistant film on the front and now there's all kinds of rock chips in the paint.

[Texrat]

I left the bag on my boxsprings when I bought a new bed. I mean, why take it out of the bag if you can use it with the bag still on it? I did that for about a year before my cat tore through the bag.

Lesson learned: it's useless to imprison anything with claws in a plastic bag.





(I kid, I kid... I know what you meant :p)

[yabbas]

Oh for goodness sake - argument ad nauseum.

The transport film is terrible for prolonged use; I used it till I received a proper screen protector a few weeks later. The film scratches easily and shouldn't be expected to last long at all. When you buy a digital watch or a calculator you also expect a similar film - this keeps dust off of the screen so it's "pristine" when opened - nothing more and nothing less!

And no - I don't think Nokia ought to be providing us with OEM screen protectors just as I wouldn't expect them to be providing me with a bluetooth headset, car charger, digital camera, etc

Screen protectors can be purchased VERY cheaply from DealExtreme. I have one of the 4.3" ones on my N800 atm, and will be ordering one for my N810 tomorrow.

[khalid]

I have bought a number of touchscreen devices in the last 6-7 years and not one of them came with screen protector. I wouldn't expect Nokia to start a new trend either.

[Darius2006]

I have bought a number of touchscreen devices in the last 6-7 years and not one of them came with screen protector. I wouldn't expect Nokia to start a new trend either.

Any touchscreen device should come with screen protector included
if a manufacturer find any such protection is required.
Not including accesories like screen protector means exactly,
the manufacturer find any such protection is not required.
So your touchscreen should be scratch-free for a whole of its life-time.
If it's not true you should claim replacement any time.

There is no need to buy any extra accessories delivered by third parties
for a quality product under Consumer Protection Act.
What you pay for and get is ready to use, complete and in safe operational condition.

Violation of Consumer Rights is not providing a consumer with
any and every required accesories part for a normal use.

Darius

[Texrat]

Darius, I look forward to your each and every post. They are solid gold. Thanks for the entertainment. :rolleyes:

[Darius2006]

Darius, I look forward to your each and every post. They are solid gold. Thanks for the entertainment. :rolleyes:

Consumer rights violation makes you happy ?
N810 comes at 600$ in EU
Screen protectors by third parties comes with no certification to be fit for any special purpose.
So I prefer home-made eco wood stickers made on my own
not scratching touchscreen at all.
Manufacturers of touchscreen devices show no special attention to
make touchscreen lasting for years.
Damaged touchscreen with many scratches is really good
ground to buy a new model, generating more profit than well protected touchscreen device.

So there is still a room for fine-tuners of touchscreen devices.

Darius

l

[GeneralAntilles]

Darius, I look forward to your each and every post. They are solid gold. Thanks for the entertainment. :rolleyes:

I'm still not sure if he's actually for real.

[Texrat]

Consumer rights violation makes you happyl

I was talking about your posts. Yes, those are defnitely funny. More please!

[Darius2006]

I was talking about your posts. Yes, those are defnitely funny. More please!

You are funny too. More please.

[Milhouse]

Anidel and powder2000 are correct. That film is for shipping protection only. It is NOT a screen protector as most understand them, nor will it function well as one.

I was really pissed off by the security sticker on my N810 - I've still got the original shipping screen protector on my 10 month old N800 which I used daily! :) OK it's a little marked up in places but it's still perfectly usable. I hoped to get a at least a few months out of the shipping screen protector on my N810 until I started gently pulling off the security sticker and realised it was a lost cause. :(

Whoever thought of placing the security sticker on the N810 screen is a complete muppet - it really wasn't necessary, and has trashed what is a perfectly viable short-medium term screen protector.

[GeneralAntilles]

Whoever thought of placing the security sticker on the N810 screen is a complete muppet - it really wasn't necessary, and has trashed what is a perfectly viable short-medium term screen protector.

Dunno if they sell Ronsonol on that side of the lake, but it should be able to get just about any stick off for you.

I was talking about your posts. Yes, those are defnitely funny. More please!

[Milhouse]

krisse, I get the feeling you're arguing for the sake of arguing now. You've been presented with sound explanations.


I think the point is that what Nokia have done with the N810 is unnecessary and entirely avoidable - in fact, I'd suggest that if possible they change where they put the security sticker during manufacture, or change the sticker so that it isn't of the "security" variety and doesn't break apart of leave the silver foil behind when removed (Question: what "security" does the sticker provide anyway? It just had my WLAN MAC address printed on it)

If Nokia must use a security sticker and must put it on the screen, then consider enlarging the easily removed silver tab and place the security sticker on top of the tab.

It's not that we're cheapskates and don't want to buy a screen protector, but some of us clearly feel (and have physical proof) that the supplied shipping protector has a several month lifespan beyond shipment and this decision to make it immediately unusable is just head scratchingly stupid.

It's like someone had this conversation:

Nokian #1: "How can we really piss off the users [even more!] at no extra cost?"
Nokian #2: "I know, let's trash the screen protector with this silly sticker! Apparently some of them actually protect their screens with it."
Nokian #1: "Genius! Take a bonus next year."

:)

[Milhouse]

Dunno if they sell Ronsonol on that side of the lake, but it should be able to get just about any stick off for you.

Thanks for the suggestion but too late for me now! :(

If I'd thought of it sooner, I'd have tried removing the silver foil with white/methylated spirit, but I've no idea what that would do to the underlying plastic protector (probably would be OK, I guess).

[GeneralAntilles]

Thanks for the suggestion but too late for me now! :(


<nelson>Ha Ha!</nelson>

Anyway, at least you can put a real screen protector on it now. ;)

[Milhouse]

<nelson>Ha Ha!</nelson>

Anyway, at least you can put a real screen protector on it now. ;)

<cheapskate mode>
Maybe I can peel the shipping protector off my N800 and put it on my N810? :D
</cheapskate mode>

Yeah, guess I'll have to look up some good ones - anyone got a link to these Boxwave jobbies that fit the tablet screen?

[realcomix]

i saw this thread a couple of days ago and thought ... no its just a joke right ... is it .. huh IS IT!!!??

[GeneralAntilles]

<cheapskate mode>
Maybe I can peel the shipping protector off my N800 and put it on my N810? :D
</cheapskate mode>


<grasping for straws>
Oh yeah?! I can actually store stuff in my N800! :p
</grasping for straws>

Well, the good news is that they still have protectors, but the bad news is that they don't have any N810 ones yet. The N800 ones (http://www.boxwave.com/products/cleartouch/cleartouch-screen-protector-nokia-n800_2569.htm) will give you better coverage, anyway.

I was talking about your posts. Yes, those are defnitely funny. More please!

[Milhouse]

i saw this thread a couple of days ago and thought ... no its just a joke right ... is it .. huh IS IT!!!??

On the one hand it is a joke, but then on the other hand it's not... maybe the shipping screen protector is only supposed to be used during shipping, but it's obvious that it can and is used by many 770/N800 users well beyond shipping which just shows a complete lack of understanding within Nokia of how their users actually use Nokia products. At least, that's how it appears to me.

[Rebski]

Doesn't supplying the device with a screen protector imply that the screen is not robust enough to withstand normal use and so is somehow inferior to screens on similar products, e.g. iPhone, iPodTouch?

Would Nokia marketing department approve of that inference? Definitely not.

That, I think, is Darius2006 well made point
Any touchscreen device should come with screen protector included
if a manufacturer find any such protection is required.
Not including accesories like screen protector means exactly,
the manufacturer find any such protection is not required.

Also Nokia lawyers would insist on a security tab to permit safe removal of the shipping film. By puttinhg a tab on it there is no need to resort to the toolbox.

Imagine the warranty claims if customers damaged the screen while trying to pry the film off with a chisel? Or even, heaven forbid, damage themselves with the chisel while under the influence of Ronsonol - it is not used for what you think on this side of the lake.

[Texrat]

ROFL.

This is a lot of drama over a piece of shipping film!

unreal...

[jdr93]

i peeled the 'shipping' film off my 770 the day i got it, and i haven't used the slip on plastic cover either, except for a very short time after i got it. i peeled the plastic film off the screen of the 800 the day i got it and never used the silly pouch that came with it. i use the two devices every day, usually carrying them around in a pocket. i try to use the uncomfortable styli on them, but sometimes they go missing for a day a two and i have to use a pencil or a ball point pen, or, when a pencil is too far to reach, the end of one of my small philips (cross) head screwdrivers.

neither screen has the least scratch or scar on it.

john

[GeneralAntilles]

ROFL.

This is a lot of drama over a piece of shipping film!

unreal...

Here at ITT, everything's a hot-button topic!


:rolleyes:

[cakey]

Do you guys leave the shipping film on your flat screen TV's or computer monitors?

[acydlord]

I always remove the shipping film, it's an old habit from when they used to use static cling film. If you turned the device on with one of those it could cause a nice little ESD and damage your new toy. And in the spirit of this thread, when I get my n810 I think I'll leave it in the box and try to use it from inside, god forbid I might drop it and ding the paint. :D

[Milhouse]

I peeled the film off my 770, but as a test I left it on the N800 and discovered it was and still is after 10 months perfectably usable!

@cakey: not a fair analogy, how about if your TV/Flat Screen came with a mains plug attached but the manufacturer removed one of the pins from the mains plug just because they can? You can go buy another plug, they don't cost much.

[GeneralAntilles]

Do you guys leave the shipping film on your flat screen TV's or computer monitors?

Aside from the fact that I've never seen a TV or computer monitor that comes with a screen protector, do you frequently use a stylus on either of those devices? ;)

I was talking about your posts. Yes, those are defnitely funny. More please!

[Texrat]

I'm thinking 4 or 5 more posts, and we can call this goose cooked, eh? :D

[Darius2006]

I was talking about your posts. Yes, those are defnitely funny. More please!

You repeated the above already three times.
But what makes you funny and laugh at
are we, poor people, who can't afford to spend $600 each year for new gizmo by Nokia, trying hard to protect our expensive device with best possible result.
For a manufacturer like Nokia and others a right screen protector is $1 a piece extra cost but for a customer, total cost (price + delivery/ shipment, cut the right size) is $10 total or more.
So paying $600 for a new hot gizmo in UE $1 extra makes no problem
to pay All inclusive price and get touchscreen protection from the very beginning.

\
I can send you pictures of my old Yornada used without screen protector, making it still fully-working and having touchscreen look like 10-yrs old with holes not scratches only.

So , my dear friend, please give us a chance to protect our new hot device made by Nokia to look like new on a day new N900 model comes to a market to get fair sum of money from second-hand device market back.

Darius

[Texrat]

@cakey: not a fair analogy, how about if your TV/Flat Screen came with a mains plug attached but the manufacturer removed one of the pins from the mains plug just because they can? You can go buy another plug, they don't cost much.

Mil, that analogy blows, too. Where's the lost functionality in this case? :rolleyes:

[Texrat]

You repeated the above already three times.

I did???

Please show me where. I can't find all three. Thanks!

[dubiousmike]

For the love of Pete, when you buy a car or the dealership does work on it, you often might find it given to you with paper floor mats. Would you leave those in as long as you could? Perhaps. Would you ***** that Honda "only" gave you paper floor mats? of course not. Here's the deal. Nokia is allowed to think that a person who buys such an expensive item will want to take care of it to whatever extent they want. This doesn't mean they "owe" you anything that will protect it. Why don't you complain that the case isn't 4 inches thicker with air freight rated foam? How about a rack mount for it intended for computers/audio/video equipment? Why doesn't Dell or IBM sell their laptops with laptop bags standard? Because if you are as anal as some of you seem to be, then you wont leave the house ever with it, thus negating the need for it. The Consumer Protection Act of any particular country you are from would never, ever demand that this be so. Treos don't come with screen protectors standard. In dash navigation units don't come with screen protectors standard. iTouch and iPhones don't come with screen protectors standard. Because if you take your device out on the ice to play hockey, its going to get messed up.

How about you decide that if you plan on putting your device through a rougher patch than I plan to, that you pony up for your own screen protector. While I care less about if it comes with a screen protector than hearing everyone weigh in on this enthralling topic while my thread about connection scripts goes unanswered ;), I will go on the record and say that I am glad they don't ship it with screen protectors so that it keeps the price down.

[Texrat]

I love you already, Mike.

[Darius2006]

I did???

Please show me where. I can't find all three. Thanks!

Exactly, you have already generated 4 spam replies.

[Texrat]

Exactly, you have already generated 4 spam replies.

Is there a contest?

Am I winning?

[Darius2006]

Is there a contest?

Am I winning?

Man, get real.
With 3,247,000 posts you are already the winner.

[GeneralAntilles]

I did???

Please show me where. I can't find all three. Thanks!

TEXRAT HAXED MY ACCOUNT!!!!111

WAAAAAAAH!

[Milhouse]

Yeah yeah, let's all laugh after all it's not the end of the world but I still ask - why do it? It just wasn't necessary, and thats my point.

[Alex P. Keaton]

Krisse, I just rec'd the N800 and encountered the same problem as you (the screen looks to be covered by a protective film, which looks like it could function as a screen protector except for placement of stickers). In shopping at my local big box electronic store, I noticed screen protectors for Sony PSP. Maybe these PSP screen protectors can be used on N800/N810 ?

[Texrat]

TEXRAT HAXED MY ACCOUNT!!!!111

WAAAAAAAH!

If you're really nice, I'll multiply your post count by 1000.

[tchariya]

I used a dab of Formula 409 on a paper towel and started rubbing the silver crap until it all disappeared.

Screen protector is safe and protecting!

[EnvyGeeks]

LMFAO, the OP is epic and the rant is legendary. Good laugh, now be serious. Do you really expect them to buy you a screen protector? Your stylus is not a damn punch so don't treat your screen like paper going into a punch machine and it wouldn't get scratched?

Edit: and I believe those "Screen Protectors" that come for shipping protection aren't static proof. Not a good idear to leave them on :p

[Texrat]

I bought some liquid coffee creamer a few days ago.

If I try to use it as is, it won't work. Something keeps the creamer from pouring out. Turns out that if I unscrew the cap, there's a disk of foil pressed onto the mouth of the bottle. It's very difficult to peel off, and sometimes tears in the process. After removing the foil I have to screw the cap back on.

I can't find any instructions on the creamer bottle that tell me the foil is there, much less how to remove the stubborn stuff.

What are my legal options?

[barry99705]

I bought some liquid coffee creamer a few days ago.

If I try to use it as is, it won't work. Something keeps the creamer from pouring out. Turns out that if I unscrew the cap, there's a disk of foil pressed onto the mouth of the bottle. It's very difficult to peel off, and sometimes tears in the process. After removing the foil I have to screw the cap back on.

I can't find any instructions on the creamer bottle that tell me the foil is there, much less how to remove the stubborn stuff.

What are my legal options?

It's a test. Stupid people aren't supposed to use creamer. ;)

[barry99705]

Hey, slightly on topic, I know, a rarity from me. When I bought my Dell Axim years ago, screen protectors were an option. I think it was a pack of three. I ruined one with a piece of dog hair under it. The second went much better. The third is still on my Zaurus, it's a tad too small, it doesn't cover the soft buttons on the side of the screen, but it does cover all of the lcd part. That was literally years ago. You can't see any wear on the protector. They're a thicker style plastic, I'll have to see who makes them.

Ahh, Dell doesn't say who makes them.

[Darius2006]

It's a test. Stupid people aren't supposed to use creamer. ;)

There are no stupid people, there are stupid manufacturers only.

[GeneralAntilles]

There are no stupid people, there are stupid manufacturers only.

Ha. Haha . . . HAHAHAHA!

[Texrat]

Ha. Haha . . . HAHAHAHA!

Come on General-- it's common knowledge that robots manufacture everything now. No people involved. Sheesh. :p

[ChodaBoy]

Screen protectors by third parties comes with no certification to be fit for any special purpose.
So I prefer home-made eco wood stickers made on my own
not scratching touchscreen at all.l

You make screen protectors out of wood??? :confused:

[barry99705]

You make screen protectors out of wood??? :confused:

Well if you can't touch the screen, it's not going to get scratched.

[Darius2006]

Hey, slightly on topic, I know, a rarity from me. When I bought my Dell Axim years ago, screen protectors were an option. I think it was a pack of three. I ruined one with a piece of dog hair under it. The second went much better. The third is still on my Zaurus, it's a tad too small, it doesn't cover the soft buttons on the side of the screen, but it does cover all of the lcd part. That was literally years ago. You can't see any wear on the protector. They're a thicker style plastic, I'll have to see who makes them.

Ahh, Dell doesn't say who makes them.

Touchscreen protectors come from China.
Go to eBay or Google.

Darius

[plex]

Touchscreen protectors come from China.
Go to eBay or Google.

Darius
And are NOT made by robots, but 10 year olds trying to feed their families.

My N810 said to remove the screen protector or the touch screen wouldn't work properly.

--Plex

[linux_author]

And no - I don't think Nokia ought to be providing us with OEM screen protectors just as I wouldn't expect them to be providing me with a bluetooth headset, car charger, digital camera, etc


- i guess i should have purchased a Palm TX, then:

PDA w/OEM case and extra screen protectors (http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Palm-TX-Handheld-PDA-with-Hard-Case-and-Screen-Protectors-1047NA-BP/sem/rpsm/oid/193648/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do)

:-)

p.s. i got one n800 w/a pull tab and insidious silver sticker - the other just had a pull tab... go figure...

[Yoooder]

Just to share (and hang my head in shame): I got my n810 2 days ago, and left the factory protector on there just to wait for my proper one to arrive; after getting notified that it will be a few more days I got aggravated at the sticker and tried removing it (leaving the protector in place) and just turned it into one big mess. In the end the screen protector is off, I have a small splotch of sticky sticker goop on the metal by the Menu/Back buttons, and a few very fine specks of the crap on the screen itself.

So, anyone have any recommendations in regards to how to clean the screen itself?

[josiahg777]

Use a fluid that's approved for cleaning a computer monitor. Apply a VERY small amount and use a paper towel to clean it.

Then, use a microfiber cloth to wipe away any residue once it's dry :)

For the sticky goop on the metal, you can probably use whatever you want.