[KDE] advantage of KDE??

[rafaelefucho]

Hi, this is my firs post blah blah blah and the same think that everybody says when posting for first time.

I am waiting for my N800 to arrive, so I am doing a lot of reading of what I can do to this gadget.

I read a lot about KDE, but because I don't have a ITT yet.

I will like to know,
what are the advantages of KDE?

Rafael

PS
Please if this answer is already in some post in the page X, send me the link so I can read and have knowledge about it.

[vvaz]

- PIM
- KOffice

[PinCushionQueen]

Hi, this is my firs post blah blah blah and the same think that everybody says when posting for first time.

I am waiting for my N800 to arrive, so I am doing a lot of reading of what I can do to this gadget.

I read a lot about KDE, but because I don't have a ITT yet.

I will like to know,
what are the advantages of KDE?

Rafael

PS
Please if this answer is already in some post in the page X, send me the link so I can read and have knowledge about it.

Go through the thread entitled "KOffice it's bee a productive month..." There's lot's of screen shots, reviews etc...

Basically, the advantage of KDE on the IT is a computer in your pocket. It's got more apps than I know what to do with (although I'm trying); I can run KDE apps and most Maemo apps (after making a desktop shortcut); I've got full PIM (that works); KOffice Suite; full customization of the desktop and most of the UI - I could go on and on :)

[Greyghost]

Basically, the advantage of KDE on the IT is a computer in your pocket. It's got more apps than I know what to do with (although I'm trying); I can run KDE apps and most Maemo apps (after making a desktop shortcut); I've got full PIM (that works); KOffice Suite; full customization of the desktop and most of the UI - I could go on and on :)

Welcome to the forums! Spend some time reading and you'll likely want to try it. PinCushion's got it right. I too haven't been able able to get to all of KDE but I am trying (much to the chagrin of my wife!) =) Apps like Kword and KSpread really much faster than I originally thought, and I've got the desktop envirnoment tweaked just about right. This is an amazing development for the IT, imo and I'm grateful to Penguinbait for bringing it to us!

[rafaelefucho]

So I is more easy to port applications for KDE than Maemo?
or is the same??

[penguinbait]

So I is more easy to port applications for KDE than Maemo?
or is the same??

The advantage is you can compile apps out of the box and to not need to modify any code to port them (well, modify any code to hildonize anyway)

[KCOTT]

can koffice read microsoft files (i.e. ppt, doc, xls)

[jakubd]

One thing not mentioned here yet: Printing. Sometimes this is really useful.
Other secondary functions: multiple desktops with resizable windows, full customization possible and in general: full desktop experience :)

[salomc]

I've been reading a lot of things about KDE @ N8XX, but I haven't found yet anything about the RAM memory that remains after booting KDE. Is it the same that remains when booting OS2008, less or more? (waiting for my N800 this week).

Thanks in advance!

[rafaelefucho]

so correct me if I am wrong.

The pros of KDE is:

-turning the N800 in a portable desktop
-Have Koffice great for documents and the go (ppt, doc, xls, and so on).
-you can compile apps out of the box and to not need to modify any code to port them (well, modify any code to hildonize anyway) {This is great for me :D}
-full desktop experience
- PIM

Did I miss something?

[penguinbait]

so correct me if I am wrong.

The pros of KDE is:

-turning the N800 in a portable desktop
-Have Koffice great for documents and the go (ppt, doc, xls, and so on).
-you can compile apps out of the box and to not need to modify any code to port them (well, modify any code to hildonize anyway) {This is great for me :D}
-full desktop experience
- PIM

Did I miss something?

I have not done extensize testing of office apps, in fact you all get to play with KDE more than I do, I really need a second device. Anyway I do not think office docs work, xls, doc, ppt and so on. Its possible like office 97 documents may open, but I can not confirm any MS doc working.

Can anyone else?

[FGol]

Actually -- an advantage of KDE is that it makes for a real Linux computer on a palm top -- the world really opens up at that point.

But for PIM stuff like Kontact, etc.? I think without a suspend or hibernate kind of capability that allows me to press a button and fairly quickly have my KDE desktop available the PIM functionality is a tough sell. If I need to post an appointment or grab contact information my trusty ol' Palm was instant "on." My N810 -- which I really have been enjoying -- requires a boot up of the OS .... then starting KDE ...... then starting the PIM app.... takes a very long time relatively speaking.

How do the die hard KDE'ers use the PIM support in real life? Perhaps I'm missing something.

Thank you!
Frank

[penguinbait]

Actually -- an advantage of KDE is that it makes for a real Linux computer on a palm top -- the world really opens up at that point.

But for PIM stuff like Kontact, etc.? I think without a suspend or hibernate kind of capability that allows me to press a button and fairly quickly have my KDE desktop available the PIM functionality is a tough sell. If I need to post an appointment or grab contact information my trusty ol' Palm was instant "on." My N810 -- which I really have been enjoying -- requires a boot up of the OS .... then starting KDE ...... then starting the PIM app.... takes a very long time relatively speaking.

How do the die hard KDE'ers use the PIM support in real life? Perhaps I'm missing something.

Thank you!
Frank


I guess I think many people use the always on approach, just lock the device to save battery when not in use.

I do see your point though.

Hibernate would be an awesome feature.

[heron61]

I'm both impressed and excited by KDE, and it's pretty much decided me in favor of buying an n810 rather than waiting for one of the various MIDs that will hopefully be released in the next 6 months or so.

I have several questions:

1) Can Kontacts sync with a Windows PC running XP? How difficult is it to accomplish this feat?

2) Can KWord read .rtf files and can it save to .rtf

3) How difficult or lengthy is it to switch between KDE and meamo apps like Canola or the web browser?

[keypox]

Im sorry but what is PIM? My IT will be here tomorrow im excited !!!

[penguinbait]

Im sorry but what is PIM? My IT will be here tomorrow im excited !!!

No need to be sorry,

PIM Stands for "Personal Information Manager."

In this case it is Kontact and Korganizer which provides, contacts, todo's

[keypox]

thanks for the reply, i have seen that on alot of posts and had no clue... it actually took me a min to figure out what IT meant.

So is KDE a must have?

[mardibloke]

So is KDE a must have?

a) I see no reason not to have it installed

b) Sure yes, opens up so many possible applications

[Laughing Man]

I wonder if it's possible to get KDE4 on here.. since it uses even less resources apparantly.

[wolf08]

I wonder if it's possible to get KDE4 on here.. since it uses even less resources apparantly.
I've tried. There are some serious problems with qemu and compiling kde4. It's also possible that it is cmake messing up. I end up with programs that don't start, and even those that do don't work. The only thing that does work is klipper.... not too useful.

[dubwise]

my trusty ol' Palm was instant "on." My N810 -- which I really have been enjoying -- requires a boot up of the OS .... then starting KDE ...... then starting the PIM app

Perhaps I'm missing something.


Yup, you're missing something. Why turn off your Nokia?
The power switch doesn't shut down a Palm.
Our trusty old Palms were never off, unless the batteries were dead.

We're never going to get to quite the same place,
because the Palm ran a very specialized OS.
But I'm hoping we'll get to someplace functional.

[PinCushionQueen]

I'm both impressed and excited by KDE, and it's pretty much decided me in favor of buying an n810 rather than waiting for one of the various MIDs that will hopefully be released in the next 6 months or so.

I have several questions:

1) Can Kontacts sync with a Windows PC running XP? How difficult is it to accomplish this feat?

2) Can KWord read .rtf files and can it save to .rtf

3) How difficult or lengthy is it to switch between KDE and meamo apps like Canola or the web browser?

I can't answer #1 because I don't use Windows at all. However, I can answer 2 & 3.

#2 Kword will read/write to rtf, odt (OpenOffice =OOo), html, and even some .doc (MS word text only no images). I use OOo at home (as should everybody ;) ) and KWord will open anything from OOo that I throw at it including spreadsheets and presentations. KSpread doesn't seem to like .xls or .ppt but I can open those in OOo and save them to OOo formats and then open them with KOffice apps (I know it's not perfect but it works).

#3 - It takes about a minute to start up KDE or logout of KDE. However, there really is little need to do so. Konquerer is a better browser than Microb IMHO (it does tabbed browsing but lacks Adobe Flash). And you can set up a desktop link for Canola to launch from the KDE desktop. I also launch FBReader, SDictViewer, XMMS (I've switched to it from Canola because I wanted an EQ), EggTimer from KDE desktop. Other than to install XMMS, I haven't used Maemo in a couple of weeks - there might be a way to add repository information to KPackage (the KDE Application Manager) but I haven't taken the time to figure it out yet. :)

[keypox]

a) I see no reason not to have it installed

b) Sure yes, opens up so many possible applications


hmm i was under the impression that installing KDE is like installing a new OS. Meaning that once installed you cannot go back to the new OS without a new install. Is KDE installed like a program that can be ran? If so i dont see a reason not to install it either.

[wizink]

What I'm afraid of is setting the whole thing up. This stuff, I'll admit, is not a forte of mine.

[Laughing Man]

hmm i was under the impression that installing KDE is like installing a new OS. Meaning that once installed you cannot go back to the new OS without a new install. Is KDE installed like a program that can be ran? If so i dont see a reason not to install it either.

KDE is an interface like hildon or gnome for Linux. Or Explorer for Windows, Aqua for OSX. So yes it's kinda like a program, but it's an interface program (can't think of a better way to explain it lol).

[drizek]

The DE stands for Desktop Environment.

Running KDE on your n800 is basically like running windows xp on it. KDE does everything windows xp can do and more.

Linux has many layers, and KDE is just the stuff at the very top. Windows on the other hand is all squished together, and you can't separate any of the parts out. KDE does not need any drivers or anything like that, all that is handled by the software that comes with the tablet.

This is one of the great advantages of open source. In theory, you could just take the top layers of windows and put them on the n800, but MS wont let you. The only way you can get XP on here is if you install the whole thing, which is also impossible since there aren't any drivers for it. The KDE developers had never even tested KDE on a tablet like this when they were developing it, but since everything in opensource is interchangeable it works perfectly.

[FGol]

KDE is an interface like hildon or gnome for Linux. Or Explorer for Windows, Aqua for OSX. So yes it's kinda like a program, but it's an interface program (can't think of a better way to explain it lol).

Or Windows for DOS..... whoa... I must be getting old. :eek:

[mardibloke]

or the OS/2 Warp look for Windows 3.1


/showing my age too

[Laughing Man]

Or Windows for DOS..... whoa... I must be getting old. :eek:

Haha I remember that. Shame the command line in Windows isn't the same anymore.

Anyway I have to get around to doing this.. just gotta find a big enough SD card with enough free space. >.<