[Canola] Canola2 beta8 Known Issues * Bugs : Please check here First if you have problems

[handful]

This topic will be updated every time we found a new "issue" and have a solution, so keep checking this before posting, because you may find a faster solution.

Most important NOTE
IF you use DEVEL repositories like, extras-devel you will face problems.
Why : the extras-devel are experimental packages to be tested. So, Python launcher, Mplayer and so on, PLEASE don't use those with CANOLA. If you are user that don't experiment with DEVELOPER grade applications you will not face problems.

Sorry for that, but our focus is more on those that don't know how to deal with command lines etc, i you are heavy user and likes to experiment you will face problems :)

So first we recommend:

1. PLEASE MAKE SURE you DISABLE DEVEL GRADE REPOSITORIES.
2. REMOVE python-launcher before install canola, then install again
3. REMOVE the devel grade MPLAYER, install .26 official version from extras (not extras devel)
4. AFTER INSTALL Mplayer you are ready to install Canolabeta8
5. Install beta8

You should be ok.

So for the Mplayer problems : please make sure :

The best MPlayer version to use is the MPlayer 1.0rc1-maemo.26.n8x0
from "extras" repository. It's important to note that versions from
"extras devel" are not stable and should be avoided if you want to
have everything working as expected.

------------------- Issues-------------------

Video playback is choppy - skipping frames / sound
It seems that the version of ATABAKE (our media layer) and Mplayer .24 causes a lot of performance issue. So make sure you have At least ATABAKE 1.4 and mplayer .26.

If you don't know how to become root and etc. I recommend the following : Unninstall canola completely with canola-cleanup tool (is in the application manager). Reboot the device, then install canola2 from scratch. If you know, you can do an apt-get update, then install atabake. (you may find a dbus problem read below)

We will update this issue, it seems that we found another bug ( the DBUS identity not found problem)


Last.fm Next button not working consistently

the user Fms has pointed us to the bug, that is caused when you leave the "default music player " options : shuffle and repeat "on" and go to last.fm plugin. We will solve this in the next update, for now please turn off shuffle and random on music player before listening to last.fm



Last.fm Login problems : it always says "unknown user" or error on Time Zone
There's a small issue with the keyboard when not on a GTK application. It seems that the FN key (used for entering numbers etc) doesn't work perfectly (2 presses will not "hold it" like expected) so please check your password if you get the "Unknown user" Error message and your password has numbers or FN activated symbols.

For the timezone problem, we will disable the check that is recommend on the last.fm protocol and will solve the problem. for now, please configure your clock on the correct time zone.




Canola don't load and then you get the following error when running canola with --vv on xterm"process 2044: D-Bus library appears to be incorrectly set up; failed to read machine uuid: Failed to open "/var/lib/dbus/machine-id": No such file or directory"

This is probably also due to the Devel grade repository problem. So you can also try :
First, close canola. then run this on xterm :
dbus-uuidgen --ensure

test canola again.





After leaving the Last.fm playing screen (playing a music) and goes to any other playback screen (video or music), and going back to last.fm will not play the music that was playing before.

If you try playing (the previous interrupted) song and got the "Unknown error" it's because canola cannot play the interrupted song. So just hit NEXT ( >| ) and it will begin to play the next song perfectly.

[hircus]

This does not appear to be known yet:
- I'm using Canola2 to play mostly Ogg files. Canola would stop with 0:00 remaining at the end of each track, until I manually press right on the D-pad or the 'next song' button
- In album cover view, after selecting an album (so the cover image is on the left and the song list is on the right), if I tap on the cover image rather than a song, it zooms back out, and to the left of the album I see a new slot, divided into four quadrants, with the top left containing a resized cover image of the previously-selected album and the top right containing an unknown album icon.

[handful]

@hircus :

- We will take a look at the ogg playback. You are using Tuomas package right?

- album view :

That's the cover selection tool. Downloading cover from internet sometimes comes with several different quality / releases coves.

If you had more covers they would show there. The empty cover is to allow you to delete a cover (if you get for example a nude pic instead of a album- it happens)
And we are finishing our design to allow you to "pick from file" also there. So if you have no cover, you can hit the button and pick a file from disk to be the cover.

Cheers,

Marcelo

[hircus]

Yes, Tuomas' ogg-support-0.6 .

Regarding the cover -- yes, I would have realized it sooner, if I had not pre-pruned my covers a few beta releases ago. All my albums have only one cover, which is why I only saw that cover and the blank image. Thanks!

[GeraldKo]

Reggie and handful, is there a way to make this thread a "sticky" to keep it at the top of the home page list and new posts list for as long as Beta8 is out? (I don't have the mplayer version problem or the extra repository problems -- I'm just trying to be helpful :) )

[handful]

I think we should ask reggie directly :)
it's a good idea!

[b-man]

Is this suppose to happen on the canola startup?, probibly not.

as you see, the home gui is in a list (not as icons)
was this suppose to hapen?
here's some screenshots; (one of some unknown feacher?)

Unfortunately those were the only screenshots that i was abele to obtain because all the other buttons were unresponsive on canola:(:(:(

and when i tryed to launch using x-terminal the same results appeared and i know i don't have those apps listed above....

here's the results from launching canola:

~ $ canola
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "ecore.c_ecore_timer.pxi", line 12, in ecore.c_ecore.timer_cb
File "ecore.c_ecore_timer.pxi", line 74, in ecore.c_ecore.Timer._exec
File "canola-core/sub_menu/ui.py", line 368, in shower
IndexError: pop from empty list
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "ecore.c_ecore_timer.pxi", line 12, in ecore.c_ecore.timer_cb
File "ecore.c_ecore_timer.pxi", line 74, in ecore.c_ecore.Timer._exec
File "canola-core/sub_menu/ui.py", line 368, in shower
IndexError: pop from empty list

Is there a way of fixing this problem? I really need help:(

[handful]

Bman : wait a couple of minutes :))) this is the first time I see this, and I think you need one of the team's wizard :) to figure out exactly what happens :) I'm just a single servant compared to them :)))))

Morpheuz is analyzing the error...

Cheers

[b-man]

It won't even launch now!:(

[morphbr]

Hi,

Could you please tell us if you have python-launcher installed ? And could you please try to run canola in verbose mode and post here the results ?

$> canola -vv

Thanks!

[briand]

line 368, in shower


hmm... this line should be squeaky clean, now. ;)

[b-man]

here's the results for canola -vv:


~ $ canola -vv
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/bin/canola", line 18, in <module>
import ecore
ImportError: No module named ecore

And no, i don't have python-launcher installed:).

[handful]

Hi Bman : you are facing a problem like some others : corrupted installation. For some reason, the application manage allowed a wrong / corrupted package to be installed, causing the problem.

So please follow the basic instructions :

a. install Canola-Cleanup
b. Run canola-Cleanup (this is a cleanup that only could be done with command line so we did this small app)

c. Reboot (just to make sure the "deamons" are "shut down" *deamons are the apps that canola let running to make sure your media is always available.

d. Make sure to disable all repositories but (the default ones and maemo and maemo extras)

c. install canola.

d. install the youtube and last.fm plugin

e. enjoy :))

Marcelo

[b-man]

Sweet!!! thank you:D now i can finally enjoy my favourite media player :D

[handful]

nice :)) glad to see that you solved your problem :))))

Hei : don't forget to send us some "payment" in form of feedback, bug report ok? This is the best way to help us improve the software for you and others!

Marcelo

[briand]

Marcelo didn't like my little joke???

:)

[handful]

Briand: I liked, but I was willing to hear from the dev guys (we have some real clowns in the team ) :))

But I was laughing when I read it :)


Marcelo

[b-man]

I'll be glad to give you some bug feedback:D As soon as i can find one!:)

[vvaz]

Another bug:

When unlocking IT (N800, OS2007) with | {square} and Canola being on "Now playing" screen sequence is catched by Canola and treated as play/pause.

[morphbr]

It's fixed on next release =)

BR,

[w4csc]

Mytube runs YouTube videos smooth as silk on my N800/OS2008 over 6Mbps wifi without balking. Reference video is TOP RATED - I Hate Loving You by Karyn Garcia. 2:59.

Canola 2 plays the same YouTube video in little jerks, even if I wait for the downloading to stop. The CPU meter shows 2 bars, 1/2 load, then jumps to full at times. After the video has stopped playing and Canola 2 is just sitting there, the meter continues to show half scale loading from all the pretty graphics? But, alas, the meter doesn't budge when MyTube is playing that same video. It sits at the bottom on the CPU meter, occasionally bumping up to half like it does when only the background load is playing on the home screen. Oddly, none of the running processes on the processes list shows over 2 or 3% load. Some process Canola 2 uses that's not listed eats the CPU and the videos. As soon as I back out and Exit Canola 2, the CPU meter drops to idle only bumping up half way when OM Weather or one of the background processes like the email goes to the net. The only "load" on the processes list is hildon-desktop from 1-8% and Xomap occasonally at 3%

This same thing happens to DivX movies. Boot mplayer and play a big divx movie off the external 16GB card, plays like HDTV. Play with Canola 2, system goes back to jerking the video from the load on it.

The combination of already-running background processes that bump the CPU to half scale, occasionally, plus the extra load of Canola 2 just overrun what the little processor is capable of, probably from all the pretty graphics MyTube doesn't have.

It's a beautiful piece of work and I thank all involved, but it may be too grandiose for the little tablet computer...and getting more grandiose all the time?

[handful]

Hi w4csc:

Well, I think you didn't know one fact about and took a little too further the conclusions, but in the end : I can "agree" with you in a lot of points you said.

But here comes some facts:

mytube does not use the embedded mode of playback. IT OPENS MPLAYER. this means : that they don't face the same "jerks" because they are not Playing, they are asking mplayer to play.

Mplayer embedded mode is KNOWN to be worse, unfortunately. But fortunately there's a lot of incredible developers in the team, working things out and improving the software. If you took a look to really investigate the problem (instead of relying on "eye analysis" of the "top" command on your applet you would find this :

http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18231

that not only people there say it's working way better (even canola plays better) and look, we didn't change one line.

So before pointing out like this, you can look at the facts, and at least at our comments in the issue, to see that we are not giving excuses, we are working to improve and letting everyone knows what's happening.

Could we just said "Ah to hell with UI" and opened mplayer in fullscreen (like other media players do?" yes, and you would have the same performance, but we believe that those projects are working in progress just like ourselves.

So yes, we maybe went a little too further, but it's fixable. But we do thought about cpu, memory and everything else. We do use a lot of memory (images for sure) but we tried to keep it in a sane amount, even reduced a LOT from canola1, to respect the user.

Also, take a look in the 770 version :) it runs smooth, (of course where the load is greater like the photos etc things go slower) but the real problem is when? playback. and it's not because of memory.

But anyways, If you are inside canola and hit fullscreen in the video : NOTHING is drawn by canola, and only basic stuff a kept running. I can show you here, real numbers from cpu usage, and you will see if there's nothing animated on screen, you have almost no cpu usage from our side. We use dbus to listen to events just like any other good applications, and we do follow rules to avoid cpu abuses and so on, we are not crazy developers trying to eat your whole memory.

The same thing also happens with the DivX movies (the embedded mode is really slower) and so you will indeed have a bad experience : /

So is not the Canola2 graphical madness that kills mplayer.

And no, we are not increasing memory usage.

Sorry if this sounds rude, but to read this comment, knowing that this issue has been discussed a lot here, knowing that we are "crazy" worried with cpu consumptions (of course scrolling alpha blended graphics really fast will bump any cpu) but when standing still it maybe bumping, but then we have a bug to fix, if Canola would have this (cpu high or even 50%) when completely stopped, we wouldn't have started the project.

So if you want to run more accurate tests, (top is not that accurate) we have some profiling tools we can help you giving the directions on how to use them.

Cheers,

Marcelo

[briand]

Marcelo --

I could have *sworn* that this issue was raised earlier, and you guys were looking into it... but I cannot find a reference to it in this thread or the youtube plugin thread.

At (seemingly) random times while viewing content on youtube, Canola becomes completely unresponsive. The audible feedback ("click") is heard when canola controls are selected (such as to load/play a video, or to click the 'back' button, etc), but nothing happens. The only way out is to hit the hardware "home" key, which will bring up the task-switch window in the lower left. At that point, one of two scenarios unfold:

1) You can close Canola from that menu by selecting the [X] to the right of the application name in the menu. If you then re-start Canola and re-enter the youtube plugin, you can pull up lists of videos, and select them to load/play, and the progress meter will almost immediately go to "100%", but nothing ever plays. You'll need to exit Canola (if the buttons are responsive, and it lets you), or you have to try to "task switch" back out. This sometimes also fails, and the tablet becomes totally unresponsive. Attempts to power off (to "cold boot") will hang with a "Nokia" graphic on the screen, and it won't completely shut down until you physically remove the battery from the unit.

2) You can't close Canola from the task-switch menu, and occasionally cannot even select the "home" option on that menu. You'll need to power-cycle and reboot the device, possibly resorting to physical removal of the battery to accomplish this, as outlined above.

I don't seem to have any problems within Canola if I stay away from the youtube plugin. I can watch videos, listen to podcasts, etc. without seeing the behavior I described above. My experiences with the youtube plugin in this beta (and this never occurred in the previous beta) always seem to end with having to completely shut the machine down, usually also involving physical removal of the battery to accomplish this. After four or five times through this ritual, I usually just "give up" and decide to do something else rather than continue the torture. (In this case, tonight, *this message* is the 'something else' -- I was trying to watch the various videos on youtube regarding the 8 teens who attacked the girl in polk county florida; I typed "florida polk girl attack" in the youtube search, and was presented with the list of videos. I watched a few, then experienced the problem above. Rebooted (which required removal of the battery to accomplish), restarted Canola, re-entered the youtube plugin, re-typed the search term, re-acquired the return list, scrolled down to where I was before, and watched another two videos, and the problem occurred again. Lather, rinse, and repeat. Five times through this whole ritual, and I'm done playing with the n800 for the night. It's just too emotionally taxing, and I don't want to hurl it at a wall or anything to vent my growing frustration.

Anyway, do you recall this youtube problem being described before? You don't have to be searching videos to experience it -- just pull up the "featured" list, or the "most viewed" list a couple times, and it'll happen. I seem to remember someone saying they could reproduce it by scrolling immediately to the bottom of a returned list, or something... (again, I couldn't find that post when I just browsed the forum).

[handful]

Hi Briand,

It was said, but always in middle or in other ways.. so really don't need to worry :) if you made the search is already good enough :))

The problem : the thing is really the communication between canola and mplayer. It seems that sometimes when mplayer hangs canola them can become unresponsive and so on. We are expecting that the new version (that people is already telling here in the forum works a lot better with canola) solves also a little bit of those problems.

BR

MArcelo

[briand]

marcelo --

much thanks for the response! :) is there an update to mplayer, then, that I should install? where would I find it (or is it pending release very soon) ?

[handful]

Hi Briand, there's a thread here in the ITT forums, but you need to compile etc. So it's not "ready" for prime time : /

Br

Marcelo

[Kolyan]

Another bug:

When unlocking IT (N800, OS2007) with | {square} and Canola being on "Now playing" screen sequence is catched by Canola and treated as play/pause.

I got to agree with u on this issue however i have it one OS2008 and i also noticed that this happens every time i try to go into screen lock mode, or there is any other "pop-up" over the now playing screen in Canola. Furthermore it seems to only respond to the "enter" or center button on the D-pad and none of the other ones

[handful]

Hei guys,

This has been solved, will be on the next Update.

Cheers,

Marcelo

[johsua]

When using Canola2 B8 if I disconnect from the network almost every time the next time I do some action in Canola the entire tablet crashes. So - if I am home listening to something then go out for a walk with the n800 it will crash. I say almost every time, as I am not 100% sure, but it did happen to me 3 times today. Is there some additional info that would be helpful here?

[hfw01]

I'm having a power consumption issue, and I am not sure if it is related to Canola, but it has happened a couple of times, and I am trying to figure out why.

On most days I charge over night, listen to a podcast on the way to work (about 45 minutes), download podcasts/updates over bluetooth using my phone for internet, listen to about 30 minutes of podcasts, and listen to podcasts on my drive home. There is usually still enough charge to surf the web, watch some youtube videos, before I plug in before bed.

The couple of days I have had power issues, I have listened to mp3s/wma's during the commute, paused the music, and left the n800 in my car for 4-6 hours. When I get back to the car the battery is saying 'less than an hour' useful time. Sometimes it can make the commute back playing music before it gives me the 'battery low' warning', sometimes it doesn't make the whole drive. I think this has happened three or four times.

I haven't been able to find any other correlations that are part of this issue.

Thanks,

Hal

[RipTorn]

mytube does not use the embedded mode of playback. IT OPENS MPLAYER. this means : that they don't face the same "jerks" because they are not Playing, they are asking mplayer to play.


Is it possible to have the option in Canola2 the ability to have both?

EG. in canola2 config there is an option to have the video embeded or calling mplayer to start the file instead (but by default it is in windowed mode)

[mwiktowy]

Hi,

I haven't seen it mentioned so I will. There has definitely been a major regression in the display time for the image viewer. Before beta8 my photos would load in a reasonable time ... not a short time since they are kind of large (2.5-3.5MB) but a reasonable wait. Now you have to wait about 17 seconds for a full image to show. The thumbnails are reasonably quick. It is just that slow when you drill down into the full view where you can zoom. After it is loaded the zoom and pan is really smooth and quick.

I recall previous versions being much quicker. I don't have any numbers that I measured but I believe it was under 5 seconds for the same image to show up before.

My images have not changed location but they reside on an external mini SD card rather than the built in memory. So I am not sure if you have changed the picture caching behaviour that makes it have to transfer the image more than necessary now. I copied the pictures to my main memory and they open much quicker. Still not under 5 seconds but just slightly more. So there is something going on here.

In constrast, the built in picture viewer loads the same image from either the built-in memory or the external card in slightly over 5 seconds. So Canola is doing something funny with images on the external memory that takes a long time now.

[handful]

Is it possible to have the option in Canola2 the ability to have both?

EG. in canola2 config there is an option to have the video embeded or calling mplayer to start the file instead (but by default it is in windowed mode)

@Rip : this is a ugly hack. We believe that projects, like Canola needs time o improve. Mplayer is improving, next versions looks way better. So we prefer to do things the right way.

@mwiktowy : We will take a look in this issue. It seems pretty funny because the photo view has not changed too much : / actually almost nothing in the latest betas I believe.

Anyways, if this is happening we will take a look. Can you send (of course if it'not too personal etc) a couple of those 2.5 -3.5 pictures to my email? so we can benchmark it with your files? Maybe we have a bug in a parser library that is causing the slowdown : /
the email to send is a gmail account, user name : handful :)

BR

Marcelo

[briand]

handful --

I (this afternoon) upgraded mplayer to the new .27 release, and Canola will no longer play my transcoded video files (*.avi) from my MythTV system. Canola almost immediately darkens the screen, and all on-screen buttons become non-responsive. Do you know if the changes you guys sent upstream made it into .27 ?

ref: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=172687#post172687

oh, nevermind.

[TTgowings]

I am having the same issue as briand, I even went back to v.26 on Mplayer and still won't play the videos, do I need to un-install both Mplayer & Canola then re-install both to the latest versions ? or is v.27 breaking Canola somehow ?

[briand]

TTgowings --

two things:

1) if you mean you're experiencing what I described in post #34, directly above yours, then I "solved" it by re-scanning my media folders in Canola and discovering that the files no longer existed on my SD card (but were still in the list of media that Canola maintains), and then almost immediately remembered that I had deleted them via file manager last week after I had viewed them.

2) I used to live in upstate New York, at/near the home of the Adirondack Red Wings. Got to see many home games vs. "the usual" group of AHL contenders.

[TTgowings]

Thanks briand, that did the trick, I also re-updated Mplayer to the latest v.27 and all is well.

Too bad for NY but good for me the Adirondack Wings became the Grand Rapids Griffins, I live about 10 mins away from the Van Andel Arena where they play, about 2-1/2 hrs or so to the Joe.

Thanks again.

[MiBi]

Hi handful,

is there a possible problem with mplayer .27 and youtube in canola. It says it cannot resolve url... Nothing plays in youtube plugin. Avi is working...even better than before.

Thanks Mibi

[desiv]

MiBi, A quick search of the forums turns up this:
http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17120&page=15&highlight=canola+resolve+url

It's a known issue.

desiv

[MiBi]

Thanks desiv. Did not use search because it was my first post made with my N810 and internettablettalk is really a pain (read sluggish and slooowww) when used with the devvice it is made for :(

Now this was my second

Cheers MiBi

[GeraldKo]

Thanks desiv. Did not use search because it was my first post made with my N810 and internettablettalk is really a pain (read sluggish and slooowww) when used with the devvice it is made for :(

Now this was my second

Cheers MiBi

You're right that the homepage is slow. But the search function and page is fast. Bookmark and use the first Newbie link in my signature.

[johsua]

I am feeling neglected, so I'll repost:

While using Canola2 B8 if I disconnect from the network almost every time the next time I do some action in Canola, or even not in Canola it turns out, the entire tablet crashes. So - if I am home listening to something then go out for a walk with the n800 it will crash. I say almost every time, as I am not 100% sure, but it did happen to me 3 times today. Is there some additional info that would be helpful here?

Sincerely thanks for the great product and support!

[Mika73]

Just updated to Beta8. I also had this issue with earlyer Canola Beta7.

Canola does show big pictures quite slow. Digicamera makes pics that are 2-3mb. I now that I should resize them for internettablet. But for somereason Quiver Image Viewer does show pics lot faster.

Also it would be nice if you could change picture display time when use slideshow.

[munky261]

handful , is there going to be an option to sort how photo albums are displayed? Example:
I have a folder named "Cars" and in that are subfolders for pics of different cars.... in the list id want it to show "Cars first the the subfolders.."Solstice" , "Sky" , "Mustang" etc. curently it shows the subfolders first and "Cars" last. This drives me nuts! LOL

[mwiktowy]

@mwiktowy : We will take a look in this issue. It seems pretty funny because the photo view has not changed too much : / actually almost nothing in the latest betas I believe.

Anyways, if this is happening we will take a look. Can you send (of course if it'not too personal etc) a couple of those 2.5 -3.5 pictures to my email? so we can benchmark it with your files? Maybe we have a bug in a parser library that is causing the slowdown : /
the email to send is a gmail account, user name : handful :)


Done. Enjoy the elk.

[handful]

I am feeling neglected, so I'll repost:

While using Canola2 B8 if I disconnect from the network almost every time the next time I do some action in Canola, or even not in Canola it turns out, the entire tablet crashes. So - if I am home listening to something then go out for a walk with the n800 it will crash. I say almost every time, as I am not 100% sure, but it did happen to me 3 times today. Is there some additional info that would be helpful here?

Sincerely thanks for the great product and support!

joshua : sorry but as you really are point out on your text, this probably is not related to Canola itself : /I think what's happening is that when any applications checks for the network again, it is crashing. I will see with the guys if there's a way to you to help us at least diagnostic the problem. But this seems to be out of our area of help : / and we are really facing working force problems so we will not be able to really help. did you post this in Maemo bugs ? I think it's probably a platform bug, but in order to say that : you must have a way to consistent replicate the bug, and others also need to replicate. Did you install something that deals with Wifi? Some kind of scanning software or something? that was too unstable and maybe is messing with the connectivity? We don't do anything but check if you are connect. We don't even try to connect ...


Br

Marcelo

[johsua]

joshua : sorry but as you really are point out on your text, this probably is not related to Canola itself : /I think what's happening is that when any applications checks for the network again, it is crashing. I will see with the guys if there's a way to you to help us at least diagnostic the problem. But this seems to be out of our area of help : / and we are really facing working force problems so we will not be able to really help. did you post this in Maemo bugs ? I think it's probably a platform bug, but in order to say that : you must have a way to consistent replicate the bug, and others also need to replicate. Did you install something that deals with Wifi? Some kind of scanning software or something? that was too unstable and maybe is messing with the connectivity? We don't do anything but check if you are connect. We don't even try to connect ...


Br

Marcelo

Thanks for the reply - I no longer feel neglected. =)

Sorry I wasn't clear. This only happens when Canola is running. It happens if I do anything with Canola when the wifi goes from on to off. Either way let me know if I can do anything to help diagnose this issue for me. If it is just me, as it seems, perhaps there is something I installed that is actually causing this problem. I know I don't have any scanning software... Who knows. Maybe Diablo will fix it... Thanks!

[handful]

Hi Joshua:

Ok, this is really odd, because a lot of people use canola (and the wifi connection for internet radio / youtube etc ) so this would probably be posted like hell here already.

Thus we need to treat it as a "more" individual problem for now (until others appears : /)

So first question :

a. what softwares do you have installed? do you have any "devel" repositories (this are some development repos, with software that is really unstable / alpha...

b. Could you run canola with -vv on terminal ? (just type on xterm : canola -vvv )
then do the steps you need at least a little bit before crashing, so you can grab the output (probably a error) and send to us?

c. Send us the steps you do exactly to replicate it

d. have you tried (I know it sucks) the flashing of the os2008 you have? (and test before recovering the backup) ?

Thanks in advance for the info!

Marcelo

[hfw01]

I'm having an issue with Canola recognizing the tags on some of my music. It is picking up the composer line in my tag and using that for genre. This isn't happening for all albums. At this point it is just 4 of them. It makes it very difficult to browse by genre, and play by genre though.

Thanks for the great work
hal

EDIT:

I forgot to say that I had installed audio tag tool, and looked at the tags with that, and it recognized showed the tag for genre to be correct.

[handful]

hfw01 :

We already did some changes on the scanner, there was indeed a bug related to this, I hope you can test again once the new version is out!

Marcelo

[hfw01]

Thanks Marcelo. I will be ready for the new version, when it is ready for us.

Keep up the great work.

-hal

[Laughing Man]

Is there anyway to identify which id3 version a song is, and which one does Canola use? Because for some songs it won't pick up the artist tag properly (leaves it blank) but other media programs like YouAmp and MediaBox work.

I check the file on my computers with audacity and foobar2000 and the tags are correct..

[hcel]

For some strange reason Canola2 b8 was running fine before I ran Canola2 Cleanup which brought up a strange bug on my end. While I cannot figure out why b8 won't run for me upon a fresh install (missing dependency - I'll run -vv and whatever other options and report back later) I did come across this very peculiar (and reproducible) oddity. If this has been reported already then forgive me.

A while ago I installed Xournal but for some reason couldn't get it to update through the app manager. it would download but couldn't install the update for whatever reason and I forgot about it. When I recently ran Canola2 Cleanup, it (predictably) hosed the most recent Canola2 beta8 install which was working nicely BUT in the process of finishing up it executed and caused failed Xournal install to successfully install (weird, right?).

To reproduce this I tried from scratch, uninstalled Canola2 and Xournal and rebooted. First grabbed Canola2 again, rebooted. Launched Canola2 which doesn't start so then I grabbed Xournal (which downloads but fails to install), rebooted again for the fun of it.

NOW the fun part. Grabbed Canola2 Cleanup and ran it, it runs through it's processes and about half way through a dialog pops up asking where I want to put Xournal in the applications menu...

I think we have a collision here.

[nspeer]

Sorry for duplicate post: I just wanna make sure Marcelo sees it:


I have a 770 with OS2006. I began having problems with Canola 2 beta 8 after my usual MMC card became corrupted and I had to switch to another MMC card I had, although I don't know what this would have to do with Canola going bad.

Anyway, here's what's happening:

Oftentimes, when Canola tries to launch, it will go to an endless "updating media library". I have to use a StatusBar app to "kill process" in order to shut down Canola.

Even with a fresh install of Canola (after using Canola Clean-up), Canola will sporatically run VERY sluggishly. Click a button....wait 5-10 seconds, click a button...wait etc. Many times it will just hang and I have to "kill process" to shut Canola down. Only other processes running are the Google search applet on desktop, simple launcher, and Osso-Statusbar-CPU.

As far as Podcasts go:

After clicking "my feeds" and waiting a long time for the little 'C' shaped animation at the bottom to finish turning, I click a download arrow on the right. Nothing happens for a while. Eventually, a download begins to SLOWLY happen. Then as the download nears 100%, Canola freezes and reboots my 770. Upon reopening Canola, I have to try and download the podcast all over again. If the download does finish w/o a reboot, clicking to listen to download causes the 'C' to spin again, then stop with all zeros displayed for length of podcast and elapsed time. The tablet freezes up and I have to "kill process" with the statusbar app. Sometimes I get a sort of "split screen" effect where a portion of the right side of the Canola screen is duplicated followed by an auto reboot.

I have used cleanup to delete and reinstalled Canola 3-4 times (after I disabled all repositories except Maemo and Maemo Extras as Handful recommended)...still the same problems.

Help!
thanks,
Neil

[iliaden]

hi Marcelo.

two days ago, Canola died. I <u> did <u> install software (4 games: tower toppler, enigma, air strike and tyrian). However I'm not certain when exactly Canola died. When I launch it, it says loading, then, without changing the display, closes.

$ Canola -vvv
Traceback (mmost recent call last):
File "/usr/bin/canola", line 19, in <module>
import encore.evas
File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/encore/evas__init__.py", line 3, in <module>
ImportError: libeet.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory.

Since I use development repositories, can you give me the entire list of Canola's dependencies, so I uninstall them manually in RedPill mode, then reinstall a clean Canola?

Thank you

Ilia

[Bundyo]

http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=179597&postcount=19

[iliaden]

thanks!
let me guess: one of the soft I installed updated that library and canola still looks for the old version?

[Bundyo]

No, Canola also installs updates for it, but maybe its taken from another repo. I didn't investigate much than to see its another version.

[hfw01]

Marcelo,

This is essentially a repost of a previous post I made in this thread, but I feel like it is warranted as I feel I am correct in my thoughts on the problem. The first time I posted I wasn't positive the issue was related to Canola. Today I am confident of exactly what I did.

I charged the N800 overnight. Unplugged it and got in the car. I played mp3s/wma's for about an hour. I paused the music and brought the N800 inside. When I got back to the N800 four hours later, I was at 23% battery left. I got another hour of playing mp3s before I got the low battery warning. This has happened a couple of times when I have paused music, but I was never confident that I was in offline mode, or that leaving it in a 90 degree car wouldn't have an effect on it. Today I am sure I was in offline mode, and the N800 was in a air condtitioned place the entire time. I had no other applications running today.

When I play podcasts, which is what I do most days, the battery lasts all day. 45 minutes of podcasts, pause for 4 hours, 30 minutes of podcasts, pause for 4 hours, 45 minutes of podcasts, pause for a few hours, download podcasts for tomorrow, all without a low battery warning.

Thanks for listening,
hal

[hcel]

So any ideas as to why Canola2 and Xournal are coliding ?

[tuco penguin]

What repository is your Xournal installation from? I was having similar problems as you describe with updating Xournal when I was using the author's personal repository. Last month he put a released version over on Maemo.org. Since I uninstalled and installed from the Maemo repository, no more issues. I did not have any of the Canola-related problems you described, though.

[handful]

Is there anyway to identify which id3 version a song is, and which one does Canola use? Because for some songs it won't pick up the artist tag properly (leaves it blank) but other media programs like YouAmp and MediaBox work.


Hi laughing man, Canola actually supports all versions, and this is problematic, thus we can indeed have problems. We don; use the same api as the other players as we want to be faster in the scanning process (and we are) so we need more and more files to test. Can you send some?

But a good update: there was some bugs on this version that are already fixed for beta9. Beta9 is just around the corner :)

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...A while ago I installed Xournal but for some reason couldn't get it to update through the app manager. it would download but couldn't install the update for whatever reason and I forgot about it. When I recently ran Canola2 Cleanup, it

I think we have a collision here.

Really weird , we will take a look, but beta9 is already frozen : /

@NSPEER

...I have a 770 with OS2006. ... I don't know what this would have to do with Canola going bad...

Well, Canola may be using some files that were on the disk for the media db and this made a lot of sequential problems happen.


Anyway, here's what's happening:

Oftentimes, when Canola tries to launch, it will go to an endless "updating media library". I have to use a StatusBar app to "kill process" in order to shut down Canola.

So, what this tell us : the scanner is hanging on some file or because of again corrupted disk. While it can be external to canola, of course it can also be from canola... You need to go to media library and try to "filter" down until you find the problem : erase almost all files, leaving just a couple.. see if the problem repeats. Then try adding more files slowly (folders mainly) and then you are going to be able to help us finding out what archive could be hanging Canola. As this can be a boring task, I suggest you to wait for the new version of MLS.


Even with a fresh install of Canola (after using Canola Clean-up), Canola will sporatically run VERY sluggishly. Click a button....wait 5-10 seconds, click a button...wait etc. Many times it will just hang and I have to "kill process" to shut Canola down. Only other processes running are the Google search applet on desktop, simple launcher, and Osso-Statusbar-CPU.

I will not lie to you. We are doing miracle to support the 770 and more the os2006. We are not able to keep the support for it, and unfortunately we are going to drop it, as well as 2007 support quite soon, as they are source of too much problems that we don have man power to solve.
But again, this show something wrong in your device (maybe on the installation, even if it fresh you probably have some old dependency or other lib conflicting), unfortunately is quite complicated to predict what users have installed. Canola clean up only cleans canola stuff, so we cannot fix what other apps could have done in / installed. What we can guarantee to you is, that if you have a CLEAN Device, WITH SWAP enable (VERY VERY important) a good mmc disk, you are not going to have the best performance on playback of videos startup, but the rest will be fairly good for the 220mhz device.


As far as Podcasts go:

After clicking "my feeds" and waiting a long time for the little 'C' shaped animation at the bottom to finish turning, I click a download arrow on the right. Nothing happens for a while. Eventually, a download begins to SLOWLY happen. Then as the download nears 100%, Canola freezes and reboots my 770. Upon reopening Canola, I have to try and download the podcast all over again. If the download does finish w/o a reboot, clicking to listen to download causes the 'C' to spin again, then stop with all zeros displayed for length of podcast and elapsed time. The tablet freezes up and I have to "kill process" with the statusbar app. Sometimes I get a sort of "split screen" effect where a portion of the right side of the Canola screen is duplicated followed by an auto reboot.

When you click on feeds, you are actually updating then. This means: going online, downloading it, parsing it and refreshing the database. This will take time: if you connection is slow, if the website is slow, if you have too much feeds and so on.
Freeze: os2006 doesn have the components we use for the filesystem, etc. So it can happens, but as you say, you probably have some different version of component for this important party.. add this to the fact that filesystem is problematic.. you get the restart.

Starting playback will be really problematic if : you have any different character on the songs/ /file name. Theres a known bug on the DBUS (very old) used on the 2006/2007. This is not fixable. It was fixed on 2008. So.. we cannot help on this. If has something on the name it will not play at all.


I have used cleanup to delete and reinstalled Canola 3-4 times (after I disabled all repositories except Maemo and Maemo Extras as Handful recommended)...still the same problems.


So Neil, I really sorry if I cannot really help you, but we tried to do our best to support a really old, really problematic software on a very low power cpu: / The only thing I can say is.. I have it running, it does have problems on my 770 but they are a lot less than yours. I know it sucks, but if do a clean install, enable swap, install mplayer, force mplayer to play even music.. it maybe a little better, but it still can take ages to start playback of a music (sometimes it took 3 minutes on beta7 etc..) so lot of people thought it was frozen.

I hope this helps at least a little bit...


@Ilia

two days ago, Canola died. I <u> did <u> install software (4 games: tower toppler, enigma, air strike and tyrian). However I'm not certain when exactly Canola died. When I launch it, it says loading, then, without changing the display, closes.
...
Since I use development repositories, can you give me the entire list of Canola's dependencies, so I uninstall them manually in RedPill mode, then reinstall a clean Canola?
..

Hi Ilia, please search the forum. For a unninstall of all dependencies that you would do by hand, there canola-cleanup (it exactly what it does)

BR

@HAL

Marcelo,
This is essentially a repost of a previous post I made in this thread, but I feel like it is warranted as I feel I am correct in my thoughts on the problem. The first time I posted I wasn't positive the issue was related to Canola. Today I am confident of exactly what I did.

I charged the N800 overnight. Unplugged it and got in the car. I played mp3s/wma's for about an hour. I paused the music and brought the N800 inside. When I got back to the N800 four hours later, I was at 23% battery left. I got another hour of playing mp3s before I got the low battery warning. This has happened a couple of times when I have paused music, but I was never confident that I was in offline mode, or that leaving it in a 90 degree car wouldn't have an effect on it. Today I am sure I was in offline mode, and the N800 was in a air condtitioned place the entire time. I had no other applications running today.

When I play podcasts, which is what I do most days, the battery lasts all day. 45 minutes of podcasts, pause for 4 hours, 30 minutes of podcasts, pause for 4 hours, 45 minutes of podcasts, pause for a few hours, download podcasts for tomorrow, all without a low battery warning.

Thanks for listening,
hal


HAL : do you have mplayer installed? We can test it here, but we also do you Canola for music playback( :) ) and we didn faced this.. but as you pointed out some reproduceable steps, we will take a look.

What funny : podcasts are mp3 files. When you play them it the same player screen. Really the same! there no difference between playing a mp3 podcast and a mp3 music : / Maybe we need to investigate the last.fm plugin or some other small thing : /

@Hcel
Not yet ; / we are really overloaded, and we are frozen for beta9 already.

@tuco
thanks for the info,. this shows that maybe it not related straight to the Xjournal but maybe to some other application that also collides with Xjournal and Canola.

[hfw01]

Wow...that was a lot of answers...

I do have mplayer (.26) installed. I also have the last.fm plugin installed, which I have never used and the youtube plugin, which I like very much.

I know the podcasts are also mp3s, and agree my theory doesn't make a lot of sense because of that, but it has happened to me too many times to discount.

Thanks for all the hardwork. I think Canola is a great app for the N800, and it is the app I use the most. For now I will just shut Canola down when I am pausing music for the day.

-hal

[SamVG]

Hello. At the top of this thread, Marcello said to "configure your time on the correct time zone." What is the correct time zone? I have my n800 set to Los Angeles, Ca time. When I try to login to last.fm using canola, I always get the error: "Login error: Your system time is not" (the rest of the message is cut off)

What is the work-around for this?

[handful]

Hal: yes, indeed looks like a problem, :/ and it's always trick to debug those more mysterious ones :)

Sam: we will deploy a new version of the plugin "ignoring" this part of the last.fm protocol. Some users said that they set the hour to their hometown and worked, but seems that for your is not ok :/ can you try other time zone near by? or maybe your isp's HQ timezone?

Br

Marcelo

[bhang]

i have read some threads about canola not starting, i even tried symlinking a file that fixed a similar issue for some users, but that only seemed to add another error when running with the -vv flag.
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/bin/canola", line 19, in <module>
import ecore.evas
File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/ecore/evas/__init__.py", line 3, in <module>
ImportError: libeet.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

I'm only slightly more knowledgeable than the average bear in regards to *nix OSes but I'm pretty sure the last error is saying the file i symlinked to isn't there, but the others I can't make heads nor tails of.
I have uninstalled it and ran cleanup & even reflashed to no avail.

Sorry if this has been covered, but I read all the posts I saw in regards to the app not starting and didn't find one that applied to me.

bhang

[Bundyo]

I'll explain again:

The error you see is caused by a newer libeet0 (v. 1.0.0-maemo1 from Testing Maemo Extras) than the one Canola uses - libeet0 (v. 0.9.10.042-maemo2 from the normal Maemo-extras).

All you need to do is:

1. Install becomeroot if you didn't already.
2. Run xterm
3. Run
sudo gainroot
4. Run
ln -s /usr/lib/libeet.so.1.0.0 /usr/lib/libeet.so.0

That's all, it won't get any clear than that. Report any errors if you get them.

P.S. - There is a different approach -

1. Run Canola Cleaner
2. Remove Testnig Maemo Extras from app manager
3. Install Canola
4. Do not add Testing Maemo Extras in app manager.

That of course will stop you from installing anymore software from the Testing repo.

[SamVG]

can you try other time zone near by? or maybe your isp's HQ timezone?

Br

Marcelo


I changed the time zone to Brasilia, Brazil (closest I could find to Recife) -- and now it works!! :D

Who'd have thunk it? My system time is now 4 time zones away from mine, but I can live with that for the time being.

Thanks,
Sam

[bhang]

I'll explain again:

The error you see is caused by a newer libeet0 (v. 1.0.0-maemo1 from Testing Maemo Extras) than the one Canola uses - libeet0 (v. 0.9.10.042-maemo2 from the normal Maemo-extras).

All you need to do is:

1. Install becomeroot if you didn't already.
2. Run xterm
3. Run
sudo gainroot
4. Run
ln -s /usr/lib/libeet.so.1.0.0 /usr/lib/libeet.so.0

That's all, it won't get any clear than that. Report any errors if you get them.

P.S. - There is a different approach -

1. Run Canola Cleaner
2. Remove Testnig Maemo Extras from app manager
3. Install Canola
4. Do not add Testing Maemo Extras in app manager.

That of course will stop you from installing anymore software from the Testing repo.


I tried that once already, maybe I mistyped something but it added this error at the botom of the code tags in my last post...

ImportError: libeet.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

I keep trying, Im sure its user error on my end I just don't know what it is...

bhang

[Bundyo]

Okay, what error do you get when trying to create the symlink?

[madcat]

Does canola2 support M4A files now ? I have the lightmediascanner-m4a package installed, the mp4 scanner is present in ~/.canola/prefs/canolad, but when I look at the logs of canolad, I see that canola does not call the mp4 scanner. The m4a files are not in canola.db either... Any tips ?
Anyway, thanks for the great software !

[handful]

Madcat: we it was supposed to do , as we do test it a couple of times, and some users were having playback problems : /

strange : / I will take a look, but unfortunately if it's out... it's not going to be on the next release because it's already frozen! : /

[madcat]

Madcat: we it was supposed to do , as we do test it a couple of times, and some users were having playback problems : /

strange : / I will take a look, but unfortunately if it's out... it's not going to be on the next release because it's already frozen! : /

Well, I'll wait for yet another release then :)
Too bad cause a big part of my collection is in m4a... I got ogg to work though (which is good)

[handful]

Well the good thing is.. it's only n the scanner
so we can release before a new beta..
but I guess this time it may work! : /