Minimo 0.15 running

[jayholler]

Check this out:

http://static.flickr.com/50/141172753_0cadf8996c.jpg

The deb and instructions can be found at http://tonikitoo.blogspot.com

It takes a little hacking and installation of libstdc++6.0, but it works as well as opera's browser. You need to run it from within xterm, and I took antonio's few lines of cli input and made a little shell script called runminimo to make it easier to launch. Pages like Google Reader work great, whereas opera won't properly load the ajax app for me. it does have a fullscreen mode, but there is currently no way to get back out of fullscreen. if someone figures this out the browser would be nearly end user ready. The way it is now, if I use fullscreen mode I then have to hit the home button, go back into xterm, open a new tab and run ps to get the id so i can kill the app. If I don't launch fullscreen mode, when I close minimo xterm closes the app but returns "Segmentation Fault". there are some other minor issues but if someone who knows what they were doing I suspect this could easily replace the default opera browser. it is just as fast, smooth, and easy to use. And besides handling pages opera won't render correctly, TABBED BROWSING ON THE 770!!!

[Coolty]

sounds great, but i'm more interested in your theme :P
where can i get it?

[kutibah]

Ok, I got this running, but do I have to do this:

Nokia770-05: cd /var/lib/install/usr/lib/minimo/
Nokia770-05: export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=.
Nokia770-05:/var/lib/install/usr/lib/minimo# export DISPLAY=:0
Nokia770-05:/var/lib/install/usr/lib/minimo# ./minimo

everytime I want to run minimo? Is there a way to create a symbolic link and make an icon in the Extras folder?

[aflegg]

sounds great, but i'm more interested in your theme :P
where can i get it?

The theme is kontorri's example NuvoTheme, which demonstrates his Theme Maker.

[jayholler]

Ok, I got this running, but do I have to do this:

Nokia770-05: cd /var/lib/install/usr/lib/minimo/
Nokia770-05: export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=.
Nokia770-05:/var/lib/install/usr/lib/minimo# export DISPLAY=:0
Nokia770-05:/var/lib/install/usr/lib/minimo# ./minimo

everytime I want to run minimo? Is there a way to create a symbolic link and make an icon in the Extras folder?

I put those four lines in a file called runminimo (you could call it anything i suppose, like "m" for example) and put it in /var/lib/install/usr/bin, since that is included in my path in the user .profile file. that makes it much easier to launch. the file is attached.

[kutibah]

I put those four lines in a file called runminimo (you could call it anything i suppose, like "m" for example) and put it in /var/lib/install/usr/bin, since that is included in my path in the user .profile file. that makes it much easier to launch. the file is attached.
Thank you!

[andrew]

How did you get libstdc++6 on there?

[troubleshootr]

I put those four lines in a file called runminimo (you could call it anything i suppose, like "m" for example) and put it in /var/lib/install/usr/bin, since that is included in my path in the user .profile file. that makes it much easier to launch. the file is attached.

Wouldn't you need this in the file:

#!/bin/sh
cd /var/lib/install/usr/lib/minimo/
export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=.
export DISPLAY=:0
./minimo

Then make the file executable by chmod +x runminimo

[kutibah]

Wouldn't you need this in the file:

#!/bin/sh
cd /var/lib/install/usr/lib/minimo/
export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=.
export DISPLAY=:0
./minimo

Then make the file executable by chmod +x runminimo
I don't think so. I just put the file under /usr/bin/run.txt (renamed to run.txt) and then I can execute it just by entering in run.txt. It works fine.

[kutibah]

How did you get libstdc++6 on there?
Go here:
http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gcc-3.4/libstdc++6-0_3.4.3-13_arm.deb

Download the arm package and put it in the root of your memory card. Use the command:

dpkg -x /media/mmc1/libstdc++6-0_3.4.3-13_arm.deb /

Make sure you have minimo installed. Then use the "mv" command to move the 2 directories that it makes to the Minimo directory: /var/lib/install/usr/lib/minimo

After all that, you'll need to type this in Xterm everytime you want to launch minimo:

cd /var/lib/install/usr/lib/minimo/
export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=.
/var/lib/install/usr/lib/minimo# export DISPLAY=:0
/var/lib/install/usr/lib/minimo# ./minimo

Or, you can use the autoscript which was stated above.

[troubleshootr]

I don't think so. I just put the file under /usr/bin/run.txt (renamed to run.txt) and then I can execute it just by entering in run.txt. It works fine.

hmmm, you're right.

[troubleshootr]

Now aren't you glad you are not running Windows Mobile? Surfing the internet was but impossible with Windows Mobile. No comparison to the 770 display.


http://cassarapage.com/new_ui_1.PNG

My Dell AXIM now sits in the dresser drawer.

[jayholler]

Some observations:

Google Reader works as expected.

On Flickr, I can't edit te titles, add pictures to photosets, or do much of anything really in the Opera browser, but minimo let's me do all that. The thing that bothers me is it is possible to integrate these changes into the opera browser but they must have specifically decided not to include features. Why? Stability? Last night I edited te titles to 37 new photos, and also added each one to photosets I created. The browser didn't bat an eye. It might even be a hair quicker than my PC at work which only has IE.

A few minor modifications would make this the browser to beat on the 770:

If the keyboard didn't pop up everytime a new page is loading, and minimized when typing the (enter) key.

If thre was a way to toggle between full screen mode back out to "regular", what is that called anyway. I think this is a limitation of running a program from xterm, not the SW. The SW can certainly do it, but the hacky nature of running minimo on linux will leave some things to be desired until this app can be further modified. This is simply a matter of mapping a HWkey on the device to toggle this behavior. However I haven't found anything yet in any minimo files that sets HW keys as easily as input.ini in the opera folders.

[jayholler]

So, is anybody able or willing to hack minimo a little to optimise it for the 770? It would be really great to be able to use it in fullscreen mode, and launch it from the extras menu on the home screen. It would also be nice if the menu buttons on the left and right bottom of the screen were accessible in fullscreen mode. besides that, and the fact that bookmarks never seem to stay (always comes up empty when opening the program, although it remembers all the previously entered addresses), it does just a good if not better job of web browsing than opera's app.

[dcarter]

Go here:
http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gcc-3.4/libstdc++6-0_3.4.3-13_arm.deb

Download the arm package and put it in the root of your memory card. Use the command:

dpkg -x /media/mmc1/libstdc++6-0_3.4.3-13_arm.deb /

Make sure you have minimo installed. Then use the "mv" command to move the 2 directories that it makes to the Minimo directory: /var/lib/install/usr/lib/minimo

After all that, you'll need to type this in Xterm everytime you want to launch minimo:

cd /var/lib/install/usr/lib/minimo/
export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=.
/var/lib/install/usr/lib/minimo# export DISPLAY=:0
/var/lib/install/usr/lib/minimo# ./minimo

Or, you can use the autoscript which was stated above.


I am so lame. I apologize for the idiocy of my questions,
but, here goes:

I ran the dpkg command successfully from xterm on the libstdk .deb placed on my mmc. That worked fine, but I can't find any resulting files,
and, even if I can,
can you help me with the mv command specifically- i.e. how to place the resulting files from the dpkg of libstdk .deb in the minimo folder (which I installed via ai)

I am an educator who would be able to use my nokia at the workplace if I had minimo to get on the special sites I need.....

Don't know linux (yet) but I hate windows with a passion and am LOVING my 770.

Also, will minimo work if I have a swap going on?

Thanks in advance for any kindness thrown my way!

dcarter

[gultig]

I am so lame. I apologize for the idiocy of my questions,
but, here goes:

I ran the dpkg command successfully from xterm on the libstdk .deb placed on my mmc. That worked fine, but I can't find any resulting files,
If ran successfully, there will be a new usr folder and a new share folder I believe. Think of a deb as an elaborate zip file for right now. There are paths in this file that will result in folders being created where you ran it. In normal operation this helps the documentation be installed in the documentation folder, the application binary in the application binary section, and so forth.
and, even if I can,
can you help me with the mv command specifically- i.e. how to place the resulting files from the dpkg of libstdk .deb in the minimo folder (which I installed via ai)
In *nix (linux/unix/etc) you will find that the directory that you are currently in is represented as a dot (.). So if you see the path ./folder it is referencing a folder found in the directory that you are currently in, whereas the path /folder is referring to a folder located at the base or root of the system ('c:\' if you will).

You will find the two files in ./usr/bin I believe. Once you have located them it will be:
mv ./libstdc++.so.60 /var/lib/install/usr/lib/minimo/libstdc++.so.6
mv ./libstdc++.so.60.0.3 /var/lib/install/usr/lib/minimo/

mv is called: mv frompath topath

So in the first example, the file is being renamed as it is moved to another directory. And in the second, we are simply moving the file to a new directory so there is no need to have the filename in topath.

* FYI - There are implicit and explicit ways to refer to objects (files/folders/links/etc) in the filesystem. The last command could have been called a few different ways and still work. I prefer explicit because it leaves no room for error when working with important objects.

I am an educator who would be able to use my nokia at the workplace if I had minimo to get on the special sites I need.....
Quite frankly, this release is not there yet. Antonio has been working on this for the last bit, and there is quite some way to go. But seeing as he's even checking in on posts while he is on his vacation, this could take no time at all.

Don't know linux (yet) but I hate windows with a passion and am LOVING my 770.

Also, will minimo work if I have a swap going on?
Don't know.

Thanks in advance for any kindness thrown my way!

dcarter

You're welcome.

[gultig]

Just noticed that kutibah's post is installing the deb into / rather than ./ or /media/mmc1 (look at the topath). This of course means that the files have been installed into the root of your filesystem. rather than your memory card. Look for the usr folder there.

[jayholler]

Just another quick comment. Since i'm pretty new to linux I wasn't sure if I could name a script just a single letter, but I can. So I took the runminimo script from above and mv'd it to just m. So now I launch xterm, type m and hit enter, and minimo begins to load. Someone mentioned creating a symbolic link to make a menu item in the extras folder to make launching the app even easier, anyone know how to do this?

[tonikitoo]

So, is anybody able or willing to hack minimo a little to optimise it for the 770?

yeap :) I am

after reading up all comments on my blog and here (thanks you all), I summarized a minimal list of tasks to make minimo 016 (or forth ) more pratical, suitable and user friendly for the 770:


* 770 hardware key support (including un/fullscreen mode, zomming in/out)
* command line options (including launching it in fullscreen mode)
* custom css (fitting it better into our 800x480)
* static link of libstdc++ (avoiding external .deb)
* make the virtual keyboard shows up/hide according to html forms' focus in/out events
* adapt firefox prompts (alert etc) to our screen size
* add an icon to launch it from extra-menu


do I miss something ?

btw, great feedback jay ;) thanks

[dcarter]

If ran successfully, there will be a new usr folder and a new share folder I believe. Think of a deb as an elaborate zip file for right now. There are paths in this file that will result in folders being created where you ran it. In normal operation this helps the documentation be installed in the documentation folder, the application binary in the application binary section, and so forth.

In *nix (linux/unix/etc) you will find that the directory that you are currently in is represented as a dot (.). So if you see the path ./folder it is referencing a folder found in the directory that you are currently in, whereas the path /folder is referring to a folder located at the base or root of the system ('c:\' if you will).

You will find the two files in ./usr/bin I believe. Once you have located them it will be:
mv ./libstdc++.so.60 /var/lib/install/usr/lib/minimo/libstdc++.so.6
mv ./libstdc++.so.60.0.3 /var/lib/install/usr/lib/minimo/

mv is called: mv frompath topath

So in the first example, the file is being renamed as it is moved to another directory. And in the second, we are simply moving the file to a new directory so there is no need to have the filename in topath.

* FYI - There are implicit and explicit ways to refer to objects (files/folders/links/etc) in the filesystem. The last command could have been called a few different ways and still work. I prefer explicit because it leaves no room for error when working with important objects.


Quite frankly, this release is not there yet. Antonio has been working on this for the last bit, and there is quite some way to go. But seeing as he's even checking in on posts while he is on his vacation, this could take no time at all.


Don't know.



You're welcome.


DUDE! It worked!!!

Thanks for your help- I think I am getting the hang of non-GUI os manipulation, and I LIKE iT!!

It seems to crash if I try random sites, but if I browse off the cool little minimo-optimized links on the left, it does the tabbed-browsing thing like a champ!

This one piece of software, if optimized for N770, would REALLY work out nice with Google-Nokia's nefarious plans, non??

Once again, I really appreciate your help, folks!

DCarter

[jayholler]

thanks antonio, I really like all the work you have put into this app, and working out all the bugs inherent in bring the app to a device with totally different ways of handling many aspects of the interface. I'm glad to help however i can. i really like open source, and i really like mozilla. it only makes sense that minimo should run on the 770. opera did a pretty good job, but it appears even a hacked minimo is more standards compliant in several ways. i'm really excited to hear of your plans for improvements to the app, and I can't wait to try .016! I'll give you as much feedback as possible. I can't believe mozilla isn't working on a 770 specific port in house. and i'm flattered to see a post about me in dougt's blog. woohoo!

[cybe]

Tried a Minimo found on planet maemo. Very impressive. Multitasks well (tabs).

[tonikitoo]

new version available at http://tonikitoo.blogspot.com/2006/07/minimo-0161-maemo-port-available.html

feel free to mail tonikitoo@gmail.com !

[ilia]

Considering Nokia's support of Minimo, it appears that Nokia is not doing anything about minimo port to Nokia 770. is that right? Is tonikitoo's effort the only one?

[ilia]

tonikitoo, i installed your latest minimo on my Nokia 770 2006 OS and my tablet is now unusable. Everything crashes. I uninstalled minimo and still everything crashes. Looks like I will have to re-flash the tablet.

[fpp]

Antonio, this port is coming along real nice !
Minimo is almost fast enough now, and it runs most Ajax sites that still break Opera in the 2006 OS : Google Calendar, NetVibes, etc... This is great !
Now what it mostly needs is hardware keys support... I went into full screen mode once and then didn't know how to get out of it :-)
Thanks for the good work,
fp

[fpp]

Side note for RogerS : Minimo also appears to run TiddlyWiki just fine !

[tonikitoo]

tonikitoo, i installed your latest minimo on my Nokia 770 2006 OS and my tablet is now unusable. Everything crashes. I uninstalled minimo and still everything crashes. Looks like I will have to re-flash the tablet.

wow ... odd

A possible reason might be I had to pack some missing Xlibs into the .deb ... see http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2006-July/004499.html

anyways, but of course I tested the .deb on my device and I haven't seen any problem. Have anyone else you know of faced this problem ?

To avaid this kind of problems I'm going to create two .deb files: minimo itself, and other one packing these shared libraries it misses , but not for this next release yet ...

[tonikitoo]

Considering Nokia's support of Minimo, it appears that Nokia is not doing anything about minimo port to Nokia 770. is that right? Is tonikitoo's effort the only one?

any nokia's finger at all on *minimo stuff specifically* ... although it'd be great to have device specific improvements on n770's xul support.

[fpp]

My own install didn't seem to break anything. But then I'd only just flashed to the new OS ; maybe it's something that happens only if you've installed some other specific package before ? (in that case it's going to be hard to track down...)

[Milhouse]

any nokia's finger at all on *minimo stuff specifically* ... although it'd be great to have device specific improvements on n770's xul support.

http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=4864

You'd best check with DougT, failing that see what contacts the Mozilla Foundation have with Nokia and see if Nokia are aware of your efforts to get Minimo up and running on the 770. Perhaps start with Alex Bishop from Mozillazine, or go straight to the top and contact Brendan Eich. Alternatively, Ari Jaaksi (http://jaaksi.blogspot.com) runs the Nokia Open Source development operation and one would hope he has a clue what Nokia are up to.

It does seem odd that Nokia aren't already involved with a 770 Minimo port, although more recently Nokia seem to have spent their time developing their own (http://press.nokia.com/PR/200506/998214_5.html) Symbian/S60 browser based on KHTML.

It's been 2+ years since their apparent involvement with Mozilla Foundation began, and with only one guy (DougT) appearing to be working on the Minimo project maybe Nokia have cut their losses and decided to stick with Opera and KHTML for now. :(

Talk about scatter gun approach to product selection - if you can't decide which one to support, support 'em all!

[Milhouse]

By the way, my install of 0.16.1 went ok -ish.

First install didn't add an entry on the Extras menu (not even after a reboot) so I uninstalled and re-installed a second time at which point the entry appeared. After installing I didn't notice any instability with other applications, but had to uninstall as on the whole I found 0.16.1 unusable since the soft keyboard would not appear meaning it was impossible to enter new URLs! :)

I guess soft keyboard support will be added in due course - I look forward to seeing Minimo and tabbed browsing available on the 770 eventually!

Keep up the good work :)

[smackpotato]

opening about:config in minimo and changing nglayout.initialpaint.delay to 5
speeds it up considerably also changing browser.download.dir to a directory
that exists might be a start to geting downloads to work

[smackpotato]

milhouse. pressing the hardware enter key brings up the keyboard

[Milhouse]

milhouse. pressing the hardware enter key brings up the keyboard

Doh! Tried all the other keys except that one!!! Will reinstall in the next few days - thanks for the tip :)

[johsua]

I was unable to log in to gmail. I could enter my name and password, but when I tapped on the submit button it just sat there. Any ideas? Otherwise it looks really nice vs. opera.

[konfoo]

Great work. The application font for menus, title bars etc doesn't seem to obey the theme preferences. Any plans to include that in future releases?

[tonikitoo]

http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=4864

You'd best check with DougT, failing that see what contacts the Mozilla Foundation have with Nokia and see if Nokia are aware of your efforts to get Minimo up and running on the 770. Perhaps start with Alex Bishop from Mozillazine, or go straight to the top and contact Brendan Eich. Alternatively, Ari Jaaksi (http://jaaksi.blogspot.com) runs the Nokia Open Source development operation and one would hope he has a clue what Nokia are up to.

It does seem odd that Nokia aren't already involved with a 770 Minimo port, although more recently Nokia seem to have spent their time developing their own (http://press.nokia.com/PR/200506/998214_5.html) Symbian/S60 browser based on KHTML.

It's been 2+ years since their apparent involvement with Mozilla Foundation began, and with only one guy (DougT) appearing to be working on the Minimo project maybe Nokia have cut their losses and decided to stick with Opera and KHTML for now. :(

Talk about scatter gun approach to product selection - if you can't decide which one to support, support 'em all!

milhouse, I can not talk in name of nokia, and neither could nor want to ... So I am not claiming nokia is not involved on mozilla stuff targeting n770 ... I am just talking about my port job ! (Just to clarify things ;))

and yes, there are lot of rumors about nokia and minimo ... not sure about any of them

[tonikitoo]

I was unable to log in to gmail. I could enter my name and password, but when I tapped on the submit button it just sat there. Any ideas? Otherwise it looks really nice vs. opera.

It'll be fixed on next releases ... thanks for reporting

[tonikitoo]

Great work. The application font for menus, title bars etc doesn't seem to obey the theme preferences. Any plans to include that in future releases?

Yeap, Konfoo, but currently I'll spend time on usability and more needed features ... but after getting it stable, themes , fonts and look'n'feel issues will be under attack :)

[tonikitoo]

new minor release available ...

http://tonikitoo.blogspot.com/2006/07/minimo-0162-maemo-port-available_11.html

mainly, fixing toggle fullscreen mode !

[fpp]

Antonio, you da man ! Thanks !

[=DC=]

Excellent work Antonio! Thanks for this.

[Milhouse]

You posted:


any nokia's finger at all on *minimo stuff specifically* ... although it'd be great to have device specific improvements on n770's xul support.


I'm not really sure what you are saying in your post, but if you are questioning Nokia's involvement with Minimio it should be clear from the Mozillazine thread that Nokia have (at least in the past - the article dates from 2004) funded the development of Minimo. This isn't rumour or speculation, it's fact otherwise it wouldn't have appeared on Mozillazine, the organ of the Mozilla Foundation.

Nokia targetting Mozilla stuff on the 770 - now that would be news (and good news too!) It would seem logical for Nokia to want to see Minimo on 770 given their past funding of Minimo and open source support of the 770, but rarely are the words "logical" and "large corporation" used in the same sentence. You should try contacting either the Mozilla Foundation or Nokia to see if they can offer any support to your great work

[Element]

Can't open link for downloading :(

[tonikitoo]

Can't open link for downloading :(

it seems to be a host problem. fpp , "=cd=" , did you suceeded to download it ?

[tonikitoo]

You posted:



I'm not really sure what you are saying in your post, but if you are questioning Nokia's involvement with Minimio it should be clear from the Mozillazine thread that Nokia have (at least in the past - the article dates from 2004) funded the development of Minimo. This isn't rumour or speculation, it's fact otherwise it wouldn't have appeared on Mozillazine, the organ of the Mozilla Foundation.

I am not questioning it at all . That's a fact and I do know about that ! Btw, I worked on old minimo-gtk development sometime ago as well ...


Nokia targetting Mozilla stuff on the 770 - now that would be news (and good news too!) It would seem logical for Nokia to want to see Minimo on 770 given their past funding of Minimo and open source support of the 770, but rarely are the words "logical" and "large corporation" used in the same sentence. You should try contacting either the Mozilla Foundation or Nokia to see if they can offer any support to your great work

yep, I could imagine how great it'd be . As I said, XUL archtecture specific improvements/development would be perfect , maybe they had prefered to spend their money on gtk, not xul ... who knows ...

[acdczip]

Great work, this browser is awesome!!!
I download it this morning and had trouble with the Full screen mode. I come back in the evening and theres the patch for that, Thanks a lot. Just started playing with it a bit, it already looks and feels better than the opera crap. Not to mention it's running much faster and with tabs!!!!! Not sure if it's me or what, I can't seem to log into my yahoo account. Any advises anyone?

[fpp]

it seems to be a host problem. fpp , "=cd=" , did you suceeded to download it ?
No Antonio, I didn't grab it immediately last night and this morning the link to the .deb is still a 404...

[fpp]

Great work, this browser is awesome!!!
I download it this morning and had trouble with the Full screen mode. I come back in the evening and theres the patch for that, Thanks a lot. Just started playing with it a bit, it already looks and feels better than the opera crap. Not to mention it's running much faster and with tabs!!!!! Not sure if it's me or what, I can't seem to log into my yahoo account. Any advises anyone?
In the release notes :
NOTE: Log-ins on security sites is broken.

[tonikitoo]

link is up again ! ;)

[spycedtx]

I feel like a complete tool, but i've tried and tried...

i click on the address bar, no keyboard pops up (like every other app that's expecting text input). I check the preferences, "use software keyboard" is selected. I've tried unchecking it, but still no keyboard.

Fine, I hit the select button, and up pops the thumbboard. I type in my new URL, click the minimize keyboard button, and see my new url sitting in the address bar. I select "go" from the right menu.. and nothing happens.

it looks like a pretty program, and i know it works because of the default bookmarks on the left.. but.. help!

if it's an id10t problem, please smack me (kindly).

[tonikitoo]

I feel like a complete tool, but i've tried and tried...

i click on the address bar, no keyboard pops up (like every other app that's expecting text input). I check the preferences, "use software keyboard" is selected. I've tried unchecking it, but still no keyboard.


>> NOTE: Pressing "ENTER" on the rocker pop up/hide the vkb.

in order to popping up the vkb, you HAVE to press the <ENTER> button (in the middle of arrows) ... so you will be able input text from the virtual keyboard.

I know it sucks, but I am working on a solution. I hope it gets fixed for next release ;)


Fine, I hit the select button, and up pops the thumbboard. I type in my new URL, click the minimize keyboard button, and see my new url sitting in the address bar. I select "go" from the right menu.. and nothing happens.


'go' is also broken :s ... again , try popping up vkb via <ENTER> hd key input you text, and then press the virtual ENTER to go ...



it looks like a pretty program, and i know it works because of the default bookmarks on the left.. but.. help!

if it's an id10t problem, please smack me (kindly).

bookmark is also not integrated so far . Maybe it'd be better to comment out not-working-yet-features from menus for instance ...

[spycedtx]

>> NOTE: Pressing "ENTER" on the rocker pop up/hide the vkb.

it should work here ... the phisical button in the middle of arrows ... it sucks. Fixed for next release though ;)

This means the standard vkb will be available, and not just the thumbboard?


>>
'go' is also broken :s ... try popping up vkb via <ENTER> hd key and pressing the virtual ENTER to go ...

All that does is add a newline to the thumbboard entry area.. and dismissing the thumbboard, either with the select key or the minimize button, doesn't add an "enter" to the address bar.. it still just sits there, taunting me.

[johsua]

You need to change your input settings in your control panel. Deselect the choice of having the thumb board appear after hitting the rocker button.

cheers.

[spycedtx]

You need to change your input settings in your control panel. Deselect the choice of having the thumb board appear after hitting the rocker button.

cheers.


that was entirely too obvious. thank you!



i'm thinking there's something "wrong" about overriding the way the OS handles input selection (lack of consistency, and mashed-head syndrome), but i'll shush on that for now.

[tonikitoo]

Guys, have any of you tested 0.16.2-1 (newest one) version ? Does it start up for you ? Any problem on replacing any old version of minimo by this one ?

thanks

[fpp]

Yes, no problem than I can see (although I haven't had time to test it much).
Last night I saw the archive was available again, downloaded it and opened it with app manager without uninstalling the previous one. It correctly went into upgrade mode and the new version seems to work okay (although it went 'poof' once when clicking on one of the buttons on the left side :-)

One minor inconvenience : it does not pick up a proxy address that may be configured in the current connection's profile, like Opera does.

[acdczip]

Installed simhei.ttf chinese font on the n770 and both simplified and tradition chinese font pages renders perfectly fine. Can anyone provide me with the Japanese font file name that I can try with minimo? Again thanks for making this great browser available. And with bookmarks and secure site access, opera on the n770 opera would be obsolete.

[spycedtx]

I'm running v0.16.2-1, and I'm about ready to toss it.. for now. I've read such great and wonderful comments about how this is so much better than the included browser. I wish I could say the same.

I've found it to be horribly clunky, and slow, even in comparison. I swear I read someone say it works amazingly well with Google Calendar -- that just causes it to lock up to either the point of rebooting itself or needing a reboot. I have a 1g card in the machine, with the additional vfat turned on for swap space.

Am I missing something? I'm not running beta, I'm not running Sardine... but, I am running out of hair.

Thoughts, suggestions?

[fpp]

I'm running v0.16.2-1, and I'm about ready to toss it.. for now. I've read such great and wonderful comments about how this is so much better than the included browser. I wish I could say the same.
I've found it to be horribly clunky, and slow, even in comparison. I swear I read someone say it works amazingly well with Google Calendar -- that just causes it to lock up to either the point of rebooting itself or needing a reboot. I have a 1g card in the machine, with the additional vfat turned on for swap space.

That might be me, although I didn't quite say that. What is wrote was :
"Minimo is almost fast enough now, and it runs most Ajax sites that still break Opera in the 2006 OS : Google Calendar, NetVibes, etc..."

And I stand by my claim. Minimo runs all those sites that Opera doesn't. It may slow down sometimes but it gets the job done. And Google calendar doesn't freeze or lockup or reboot (although I don't have a 1Gb MMC with vfat swap, just the standard 64MB card and a 32 MB swap file from the memory applet).

Am I missing something? I'm not running beta, I'm not running Sardine... but, I am running out of hair.
Thoughts, suggestions?
Toss it, keep your hair, and try again next time ?

[tonikitoo]

new version at http://tonikitoo.blogspot.com/2006/07/minimo-0163-maemo-port-available.html ;)

[acdczip]

i have problem login into my yahoo mail, but gmail no problem at all.
chinese website with chinese fonts takes long time to load, maybe the 10 MB font file is too much for the N770.

[tonikitoo]

up coming effort list is available here http://tonikitoo.blogspot.com/2006/07/minimo-special-effort-part-ii-update.html

[tonikitoo]

new port version available. virtual keyboard suckage is fixed.

Happy browsing ;)

http://tonikitoo.blogspot.com/2006/08/minimo-0164-maemo-port-available.html

[schmolch]

Im a little suprised to read this.
I thought minimo ist just some dev-release with no practical use yet.
I cant go to any url of my choice cause the keyboard doesnt work.
I just can click those tiny icons which open some urls in a new tab, thats all.
There are also no menus anywhere, no Hildon-Support?
And yes i installed the latest release which was just announced.

[schmolch]

i reinstalled it, it took about 30 secs to start up.
the keyboard still didnt work but then i discovered how to get into the preferences (small icon in the bottom left) and after leaving them (software keybaord was enabled by default) now the keyboard works.

looks much much better now :-)

[jnack95]

The download link appears to be dead?

[tonikitoo]

The download link appears to be dead?

I think it is up ... check http://home.ufam.edu.br/~agan/minimo/binary-arm/

[mwiktowy]

new port version available. virtual keyboard suckage is fixed.

Happy browsing ;)

http://tonikitoo.blogspot.com/2006/08/minimo-0164-maemo-port-available.html

I was just trying it out and I gotta say that I am impressed!

It starts up slowly but once up it is functional and responsive.

It wasn't the speediest thing around in doing so but it handled Google Spreadsheet, Calendar and the full-blown Gmail page+builtin chat thing just fine. Of course opening up those three things all at once made it grind to a screeching halt. Still ... it didn't crash or cause the 770 to reboot or anything. The desktop killed it cleanly when it detected that it wasn't responding to the close button.

Good job with the port!

[tonikitoo]

it is installable via app manager ... see http://tonikitoo.blogspot.com/2006/09/minimomozilla-maemo-port-repository.html to see how.

[Rocketman]

I am running the latest .16.5-2 and here are some thoughts:

-Bookmarks don't seem to be saved between application instances. i.e. if I shut down Minimo and restart, all my bookmarks have gone poof.
-Fullscreen button doesn't toggle fullscreen mode, although it is available from the left icon that looks like a world.
-Pressing the -/+ rocker switch crashes the browser. Would be nice to use for font size adjustment or page scrolling
-Can currently only "left click" on links. Would be nice to get a context menu pop up if I click and hold on a link for a few seconds, as is the case with the Win CE version of Minimo.
-Would be nice if Minimo could launch the connection chooser if a connection is not already established.
-Would be nice to be able to open a link in a new tab via a modifier key + click
-A "GO" button on the address bar would be welcome.

Thanks for all the great work thus far!

[tonikitoo]

I am running the latest .16.5-2 and here are some thoughts:

-Bookmarks don't seem to be saved between application instances. i.e. if I shut down Minimo and restart, all my bookmarks have gone poof.


minimo's bookmark have not been integrated with maEmo's default one, although it should not be that hard through dbus message exchanges. In this meanwhile, I'll take off the bookmark menuittem from menu.


-Fullscreen button doesn't toggle fullscreen mode, although it is available from the left icon that looks like a world.
-Pressing the -/+ rocker switch crashes the browser. Would be nice to use for font size adjustment or page scrolling


nokia 770 hardware keystrokes are also not supported so far. Coming also.


-Can currently only "left click" on links. Would be nice to get a context menu pop up if I click and hold on a link for a few seconds, as is the case with the Win CE version of Minimo.
-Would be nice to be able to open a link in a new tab via a modifier key + click


context sensitive menus are activated on x86 via mouse right-button press only. Maybe some timers can help here.


-Would be nice if Minimo could launch the connection chooser if a connection is not already established.


that's woulbe be really great. More dbus involved I believe.


-A "GO" button on the address bar would be welcome.

Thanks for all the great work thus far!

the GO button is on the bottom right menu, see http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/1997/1796/1600/dsc09768.jpg

long way yo run ...

[stae]

Sorry if it is not the right place for my post... but I follow your instructions (script runminimo) and I got a seg fault.
I cross-compiled Minimo 1.8 branch but after these few commands
(
cd /minimo_cross/lib/minimo-0.015
export DISPLAY=:0
export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=.
./minimo
)
I get a sad "Segmentation fault"... :(
Any hint? Did you get this before you had minimo running with success?
Thank you guys,
bye
Stae

[tonikitoo]

check this out !

http://tonikitoo.blogspot.com/2006/10/minimo-0166-maemo-port-available.html

ps: I am back :))))))))


please, report problems here or comment in the blog or by email ;)

[Rocketman]

The new build works well for me. I still get some weird doubling up of the bottom tool bar/buttons, though. I will take a screenshot with my digicam sometime if you don't know about this bug. I would love to see Minimo fully hildonized and brought up to parity with the current nightly builds. The Windows CE nightlies are far improved over .16, the last official release.

[tonikitoo]

The new build works well for me. I still get some weird doubling up of the bottom tool bar/buttons, though. I will take a screenshot with my digicam sometime if you don't know about this bug.


I'd love to see sshot :)


I would love to see Minimo fully hildonized and brought up to parity with the current nightly builds. The Windows CE nightlies are far improved over .16, the last official release.

update the sourcebase it MAIN TARGET now. I've seen great progress since I got this tarball, that is true. It is dated from Augost :(((

I'll also post the source code for the next "release".

thanks for feedbacking

[chill633]

Wow, this version of Minimo works nicely! I really like the "Scroll with Arrow Keys" feature, and it is much faster rendering pages than the included Opera.

What is the "Toggle Homebar" option? It doesn't seem to do anything for me. Oh, wait. It showed up after a restart of the software.

A quick way to crash it is to link over the Flash plugin included on the 770 and hit a page with Flash. Crash boom. :-)

Very nice.

[delaroca]

Wow, this version of Minimo works nicely! I really like the "Scroll with Arrow Keys" feature, and it is much faster rendering pages than the included Opera.


Humm? For me, Google maps isn't working anymore -- as it did in previous versions. Returned maps are empty and filled with text advisories:

Try zooming out
for a broader
look.
We are sorry,
but we don't
have maps at
this zoom level
for this region.

-- Denis

[tonikitoo]

hi guys,

a new release is coming hopefully these next days.

thanks for all feedback. Changes:

* Minimo will be hosted in garage.maemo servers.
* running over a newest sourcebase (same as firefox 2.0)
* source and patches will be available.

keep tuned.

ps: Mika is helping a lot in these all.

[benny1967]

I love minimo - there is one site I visit several times a day which crashes on the built-in opera version. Minimo displays in perfectly. This improved my 770-experience a lot!

My only wish (apart from full hildon-integration, hardware-key supoort incl. full-screen etc.) is something that I think was on low-low-priority:

90° screen rotation! It's something fbreader does and from the day I saw it, I wanted it for surfing. There are those sites with lots of text (documentation, news, manuals, mailing list archives etc.) ... they are so much easier to read on a screen thats narrow. (What I do now is I save those pages locally where possible and open them with fbreader - there should be a more user friendly way ;-) .....)

Anybody else who wants this feature?

[Ray]

Hi,

the Minimo port looks nice so far.

There are a few things which caught my attention:

If you have more than one open tab,
and switch from normal view to maximized view,
all tabs are hidden.
To see the tabs again, you have to open a new (empty) tab.
Also, the 'start maximized/fullscreen' isn't persistent.

In the desktop version of FF, there's a *very* useful feature
for bookmarks called 'open in tabs', which opens all bookmarks
of the current bookmark folder simultaneously,
each link in a separate tab.

The settings dialog of FF also allows to specify start mode,
and if a tab is visible when only one window is open.

In the current version, Minimo for 770 instantly opens the
on-screen keyboard when you open a web page where
the focus item is a datafield.
IMHO it would be nicer if the keyboard would pop up only
if you either tap into the field, or press the OK button
in the cursor ring key.


Another thing:
I'd like to use the standard N770 'maximize' key to toggle between
normal and fullscreen view,
the +/- rocker key for font size increase/decrease,
the menu key for the Minimo menu,
and so on.


Would this be possible?

There are some more things, but these are the ones I have in mind currently.

Nonetheless, the Minimo port is a great piece of software,
congrats for that:-)

Regards

Ray

[aflegg]

I love minimo - there is one site I visit several times a day which crashes on the built-in opera version. Minimo displays in perfectly. This improved my 770-experience a lot!

Have you raised an issue in the Maemo Bugzilla (https://bugs.maemo.org/) if the site regularly crashes the 770? Even if you're using Minimo, it'd make sense to try and get Opera as good as possible in the meantime.

Cheers,

Andrew

[tonikitoo]

guys, I just released a new maemo-port release: 0.16.7.

more about it at http://tonikitoo.blogspot.com/2006/11/minimo-0167-maemo-port-available.html

enjoy your websurfing ;)

[Rocketman]

Thanks again for the continued hard work on this very useful project!