Nokia Announces the Internet Tablet 2006 OS Update

[newsbot]

[LINK: /content/view/175/2/] As promised, Nokia announces today the 2006
OS update adding Google Talk(TM), a full screen finger keyboard, improved
memory performance, and new refreshed look. Additional applets have also
been added for faster access to internet services.

The newly added Goolge Talk application will let Nokia 770 users chat and
talk wirelessly with family, friends, and co-workers for free, via the
Google Talk network as well as instant message other people on the
Jabber/XMPP network.

Nokia 770 users can now set the stylus aside and type with their fingers
with the new full screen keyboard. This will enable faster typing and a
better chatting experience.

New themes have been...Read the full article. (http://www.internettablettalk.com/content/view/176)

[jayholler]

Any word on whether the Opera browser will see an update to better support AJAX heavy sites like Google Reader and Google Calendar? That would be particularly awesome, especially if they include better flash support so the thing could handle Google Video. I guess one thing at a time...since they didn't mention anything like that in the press release I'm not keeping my fingers crossed. The new look is hot though!

[c_legaspi]

full screen keyboard? the current layout already takes half the screen.

[artman]

Sweet! So I don't have to return the 770 I just bought. I was getting nervous there for a bit. Did they say anything about a hardware change in the newer ones that come shipped with the 2006 OS?

[Hedgecore]

artman: Yes and no. In the webcast press conference Andrew Flegg posted, a reporter asked about the next generation of hardware. The response was along the lines of "we're always developing the next generation but it won't be out for a while until it reaches maturity". We're fine for now. :)

[konttori]

Any word on whether the Opera browser will see an update to better support AJAX heavy sites like Google Reader and Google Calendar? That would be particularly awesome, especially if they include better flash support so the thing could handle Google Video. I guess one thing at a time...since they didn't mention anything like that in the press release I'm not keeping my fingers crossed. The new look is hot though!

They did mention that it's opera 8. I wouldn't hold my breath on the flash 8 support though (and thus google video). Maybe that the new opera will be able to process google cal and reader (and notepad) though.

[jayholler]

full screen keyboard? the current layout already takes half the screen.

Too true. Plus, I avoid touching skin to screen like the plague. I can't see how a full screen KB would work for me at all. Very strange.

[spotdog14]

im trying to decide if i should upgrade or not. I think this version i actually will. I have the original version that came with my 770 beacuse i dont want to lose all of the apps i have accumulated. But this new release should be nice!

[penguinbait]

Any word on the audio hardware, will this work from the small hole on bottom of 770 or will there be bluetooth headset needed.

My screen inputs work fine, I agree, full screen keyboard for use with fingers, hmmm

2nd Quarter 2006 isn't that now, so is that by the end of June, 1.5 months max, do you think it will actually happen?

:confused:

[neps]

Not sure how they can call that look refreshed... It looks like a bad website from the late 80s. Those beveled edges are horrid. Why waste such a small screen with those thick borders? I hope themes become easier to create...

Looked at the images again, SERIOUSLY! They're extremely thick and why does a popup menu need such thick borders???

[jayholler]

They did mention that it's opera 8. I wouldn't hold my breath on the flash 8 support though (and thus google video). Maybe that the new opera will be able to process google cal and reader (and notepad) though.

Here is the current info when you enter "opera:about" (w/o the quotes) in the current opera version:

Version information
Version 8.02 Internal
Build 1.0.88
Platform Linux
System armv5tejl, 2.6.12.3-omap1

XHTML+Voice Not available

Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; ; Linux armv5tejl; U) Opera 8.02 [en] N770/SU-18_0.2006.04-1_PR

So I guess we're stuck with the same old browser that has its limits. : (

[kutibah]

Any word on whether or not this update will erase every installed app/setting on the 770? I wish they'd make updates simply updates, not re-flashing the memory.

[aflegg]

It'll wipe everything... which - given no existing application will work - is not a Bad Thing[TM].

I can also fully understand why they do it as it makes support trivial.

For reference, with the proper package management in the 2006 OS it'll be harder to move installed apps to the MMC to work around having to re-install them post-upgrade.

[Linear2202]

So far, the update sounds interesting. As a consumer, they said stuff I wanted to hear. Improved speed and memory performance, added features etc.

We shall see how it really performs though.

[mwiktowy]

Any word on whether or not this update will erase every installed app/setting on the 770? I wish they'd make updates simply updates, not re-flashing the memory.

They had promised in the past that this update would include a proper means of installing software. This means that all the third-party packages will have to be rebuilt but that there will be dependency checking and package updating. I suspect that they are going to a full apt-get.

[aflegg]

No need to suspect: it's a full apt-based system. Documentation for package authors is in Subversion:

https://stage.maemo.org/viewcvs.cgi/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/osso-application-installer/doc/

Username/password: guest/guest.

[phillup]

full screen keyboard? the current layout already takes half the screen.

Since I'm focused on the keys and the text box when entering text... I'd gladly give up the other half of the screen if they would make more characters accessible without having to punch three keys to get one character.

But, I'm not interested in typing with my fingers at all...

[spiderx]

I just hope that you can change the default because with T-Mobile as my provider, I can't access google sites at all.

[penguinbait]

I just hope that you can change the default because with T-Mobile as my provider, I can't access google sites at all.



Where are you located? I am in Michigan and my T-mobile works great with all google sites? The 770 has browser issues with some sites, but I can access them all. I have the 29.95 internet plan, but even with my wifes phone I can get to google with no internet plan, and no t-zones needed. If you use wap.voicestream.com and use proxy getmorespeed.voicestream.com 8080

[rattis]

Where are you located? I am in Michigan and my T-mobile works great with all google sites? The 770 has browser issues with some sites, but I can access them all. I have the 29.95 internet plan, but even with my wifes phone I can get to google with no internet plan, and no t-zones needed. If you use wap.voicestream.com and use proxy getmorespeed.voicestream.com 8080

What phone are you using? how is the 30.00 connection plan?

[Remote User]

Looked at the images again, SERIOUSLY! They're extremely thick and why does a popup menu need such thick borders???Touchscreen GUIs absolutely have to have bigger activation zones than mouse/keyboard GUIs do. If there's a scroll bar then it has to be thicker, too. All the GUI assumptions are different.

[bcvthul]

Do I miss PIM functionality (alarm handling) in the new/upcoming 2006-version?

[mwiktowy]

Do I miss PIM functionality (alarm handling) in the new/upcoming 2006-version?

I think that was on the roadmap for the *next* version after V.2006.

[Jeffgrado]

So who here uses Google Talk? I don't think I know anyone on it.

Actually, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Talk mentions that Google Talk will be able to communicate with AIM at some point. This should make things very interesting if it does go through.

[mike9285]

Does Google Talk support chatting with AIM users? I remember reading that Google was implementing the feature after they signed a deal with AOL but I haven't be able to try the application yet.

[bcvthul]

On the spec's on the nokia 770/os2006 it says/read that teh nokia770 will support 802.11g (too). Is this is true for os2005 too?

[chrwei]

I think it does support G, but due to processor and flash speeds you'll never actualy reach G speeds

[ioan]

Does Google Talk support chatting with AIM users?
you can do that with GAIM:
https://developer.berlios.de/projects/maemo-gaim/

[mike9285]

Yea, but Gaim is really buggy. It would be nice if Google would finally incorporated AIM into their client.

[Hedgecore]

gTalk uses an open standard. It'd be nice if AIM incorporated that. Or MSN. or ICQ. Etc.

[mike9285]

Yea, you got me there. But Google did announce that they would incorporate AIM connectivity if "certain conditions were met." I was just wondering if it happened yet...

http://www.google.com/press/pressrel/twaol_expanded.html

[MikeJulie]

Yes the Nokia does support 802.11g, my wireless network operates in g only mode but the speeds are somewhat short of 54mb/s.

All these features sound great but with the same paltry internal memory this thing is relegated to 3rd string. I still need my laptop and I still need my PDA and I still need my BT phone. Don’t get me wrong, I like having the tablet when Im on the road, I just wish I got to bring one less charger with me.

[chrwei]

Don’t get me wrong, I like having the tablet when Im on the road, I just wish I got to bring one less charger with me.

that's one reason I got a USB charger, one for a N70 series will work for the 770. it's one more cable, but I can plug it into the laptop if I have it, or take a power brick or 12v car plug if I'm not taking the laptop. kit came with the 12v and AC to USB adaptors.

[dattani98]

Question for the 770 'gurus' out there -

I used wolframs script to (a) Extend Root and then (b) Create a 24MB swapfile on a 200MB partition on my 1GB RS MMC. Its been working great and I can have loads of aps open at the same time.

Does anyone know if upgrading to OS/iT2006 will:

(1) Wipe out this script and the operation of the swapfile
(2) Disbale R&D mode

In other words - will I have to 'become root' again (not just sudo gainroot but the whole shebang with the flasher in Linux), then re-install & run the extrootfs script? Will I need to repartition the RS MMC?

Thanks!!

[daveferris]

I'm sad enough to look at the specs on the nokia site....

2006 vs the 2005 version shows a couple of new things....

1) * Option for extended virtual memory (RS-MMC up to 1 GB)
2) # Headphones (HS-61) now included
3) Brazilian Portuguese, Canadian French language support.

Dave

[Element]

Too true. Plus, I avoid touching skin to screen like the plague. I can't see how a full screen KB would work for me at all. Very strange.

It will look like old typewrighter: single line for text.

[konttori]

I'm sad enough to look at the specs on the nokia site....

2006 vs the 2005 version shows a couple of new things....

1) * Option for extended virtual memory (RS-MMC up to 1 GB)
2) # Headphones (HS-61) now included
3) Brazilian Portuguese, Canadian French language support.

Dave

Indeed the line:
"Option for extended virtual memory (RS-MMC up to 1 GB)"
Is very interesting indeed.

Exciting stuff, I must say.

[Simon]

I wonder if it will have any New Zealand cities in the clock now!

I just find it funny they missed a whole bloody time zone :)

[rattis]

I wonder if it will have any New Zealand cities in the clock now!

I just find it funny they missed a whole bloody time zone :)

Not hard to add it if they missed it. Go back to the threads about the last update and the problem that they had with the time zones. it tells you how to add additonal time zones to the 770. I know you'd rather have it be there stanard. I don't blame you.

[neps]

Touchscreen GUIs absolutely have to have bigger activation zones than mouse/keyboard GUIs do. If there's a scroll bar then it has to be thicker, too. All the GUI assumptions are different.

Thats a nice theory. But the Treo I've been using for the last several years would argue differently, as would the limited use I've had with Window Mobile.

[mike v]

i love it!!!

[kessdaman]

It looks like the upgrade supports WMA, is this new?

[Simon]

Not hard to add it if they missed it. Go back to the threads about the last update and the problem that they had with the time zones. it tells you how to add additonal time zones to the 770. I know you'd rather have it be there stanard. I don't blame you.
Oh, good point! I am not a Linux person so I only vaguely followed the stuff about timezones when the update came out. I'll go look back through it all. Thanks for reminding me!

[jayholler]

It looks like the upgrade supports WMA, is this new?
Good eye. On Nokia's site WMA is listed in supported audio formats for the 2006 OS, and excluded for the 2005 OS. Interesting. I would imagine WMA could include several different formats, just like AAC does. So what it really means is anyone's guess.

[kutibah]

Good eye. On Nokia's site WMA is listed in supported audio formats for the 2006 OS, and excluded for the 2005 OS. Interesting. I would imagine WMA could include several different formats, just like AAC does. So what it really means is anyone's guess.
I hope in addition the video player will not be as picky. It's really annoying when mpg and some rl (real player) video files don't work when you want to stream live TV via the internet.

[Stickarm]

Thats a nice theory. But the Treo I've been using for the last several years would argue differently, as would the limited use I've had with Window Mobile.The Treo and the 770 take very different approaches to GUI. Every model of Treo has had a hardware keyboard, obviously. On top of that, the interface on the Treo since the introduction of the Treo 600 has been very focused on one-handed navigation using the five way navigation thinger rather than relying solely on the touch screen.

It's possible that your experience with Windows Mobile devices may provide insight regarding the 770 interface (and it would be great if you'd care to expand on that point), but the Treo is an incomparable device. Remote User's observation regarding touchscreen GUIs seems very sound.

[neps]

The Treo and the 770 take very different approaches to GUI. Every model of Treo has had a hardware keyboard, obviously. On top of that, the interface on the Treo since the introduction of the Treo 600 has been very focused on one-handed navigation using the five way navigation thinger rather than relying solely on the touch screen.

It's possible that your experience with Windows Mobile devices may provide insight regarding the 770 interface (and it would be great if you'd care to expand on that point), but the Treo is an incomparable device. Remote User's observation regarding touchscreen GUIs seems very sound.

I can probably count on my hands the number of times I've used the nav thinger to actually navigate. I've used it maybe to nudge down a webpage or email. Isn't that nav thinger similar to the 770s nav thinger?

As for Windows Mobile, my experience has been with a HP iPaq, which has no keyboard, and a similar nav thinger like the 770. Far be it from me, a longtime Mac user to advocate anything Microsoft. But their UI is alot cleaner with similar restrictions as the 770.

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=windows%20mobile&btnG=Google+Search&sa=N&tab=wi

[benny1967]

BTW: I just read the specs on Nokia's website regarding the 2006 Version.... Still no native OGG Vorbis support. Instead a bundle of exotic proprietary formats I never even think of using on a Linux based system. Strange. While they're on the right track with Google Talk (based on open standards), they missed this one completely.

[Karel Jansens]

Is the start screen on the 2006 version more customizable than on the 2005 version, or is it still only possible to include or leave out the pre-configured applications?

[Simon]

I hope in addition the video player will not be as picky. It's really annoying when mpg and some rl (real player) video files don't work when you want to stream live TV via the internet.
It is VERY picky. So picky in fact sometimes when I open a file in the player it says the format is unsupported. Try opening it again or open it via the file manager though and it will work fine.

[mancy]

new OS Annouced while prev 770 is not shipped out that's much?
this fast growing will turn me out of my mind.

by the way Google annouced that they are going to support SIP in coming day's and this device suppose to be in 1st place to support better voice quality using google SIP service

Waiting for Upgrade..

[cybe]

Nokia, Google Detail Linux Tablet Collaboration

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1963054,00.asp


complete, story: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4612698182.html

"...The 770 tablet appears to have only a single one-eighth-inch headphone jack, but the jack actually supports mobile phone headsets with microphones...."

Didn't know that =)

[orbitalcomp]

One little "bug" I hope they fix is the ability to add more icons in the top system tray. Right now there is a limited number of icons you can have up there, and I am always having to decide which ones I can live without.

Maybe they can hide the inactive ones like in WinXP, or have some type of scrolling feature. It's tricky because of the fact that the title bar is right there...

[Promix]

Available Second Quarter?????? We are already in the second quarter!!!!!!!! Q1 Jan-Mar Q2 Apr-Jun q3 ....... Is it not posible for Nokia to be more specific????

I WANT MY UPDATE NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[aflegg]

They've said "June" and "Q2" - that's pretty damn specific :-)

i.e. less than 6 weeks!

[rattis]

Available Second Quarter?????? We are already in the second quarter!!!!!!!! Q1 Jan-Mar Q2 Apr-Jun q3 ....... Is it not posible for Nokia to be more specific????

I WANT MY UPDATE NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Depends on what calander they are using really. If they mean the physical quaters, then you're right. However if they are talking Fiscal year, then April - June is the first Quarter and Jan-March is the fourth.

Either way the word June was put in there.

[spiderx]

I'm in Phoenix, have the same setup as Thoughtfix pretty much. I tried your settings, wap.voicestream.com and getmorespeed.voicestream.com, still don't get google. They must really be blocking it in some states. I just don't understand why. Anyone have experience setting up a proxy server on their Windows box at home to use with the 770?

[jussik]

BTW: I just read the specs on Nokia's website regarding the 2006 Version.... Still no native OGG Vorbis support. Instead a bundle of exotic proprietary formats I never even think of using on a Linux based system. Strange. While they're on the right track with Google Talk (based on open standards), they missed this one completely.

I agree. Another great moment of "corporate publicity gone awry" was trying to watch the videos of the 770 press conference with the 770.

Offered formats were WMA and Real.

[aflegg]

I must admit I didn't try, but what happened when you tried to view the RealVideo stream on the 770?

Personally, I transcoded (http://bleb.org/software/770/#encode) it into a 20M AVI file suitable for the 770 (http://bleb.org/misc/os2006-webcast.avi) so I could watch it offline.

On the subject of the presentation, Nokia could certainly use some Apple-inspired launch hype and professionalism :-/

[Jeffgrado]

Thanks for that video, being on dial-up makes streaming very challenging.

[Hedgecore]

I felt like I was back in college watching people stumble over presentations. Marvellous camera work detailing the PowerPoint presentation. (Y'know, the one they removed from the shot when they zoomed in on the static & lifeless speakers?)

One thing I thought was cute, the 770 signage in the back was an instore display I think. "Try the 770 here now!".

[rattis]

I agree. Another great moment of "corporate publicity gone awry" was trying to watch the videos of the 770 press conference with the 770.

Offered formats were WMA and Real.

I really blame web developers for that though. I can see them sitting down, what way will get this this watched on the web. Everyone uses windows, so format a and format b.

[takumikai]

Seems to me that the only BIG changes in the 2006 OS is:
1. the relatively NEW look [i'll buy that...]
2. the NEW thumb keyboard that most of us don't use [good effort]
3. the UPGRADED Opera browser [the regular one's good enough for me]
4. the NEW Google Talk function [that nobody uses]
5. the new VOIP function [we're not even sure if the little bloody hole on the bottom (which I believe is a mic) will work]

The only thing that actually hypes me up is the new themes (the one i'm using is getting kinda...)

If I had my choice this is what I would fix:
1. A radically new look [I'll give Apple (although I hate Apple) credit for creating some cool looking machines (though I prefer Alienware and Voodoo better)]
2. Better OS and hardware interactivity coding [A change to a different OS like Windows (if people want mass-user friendly OS) or Apple (for a more modern look) or just update the Linux OS to look a little more interesting]
3. Flash 8 player [for watching those live streaming videos]
4. More file extensions [such as tar.gz for installing actual Linux programs]
5. A better keyboard idea [like a bluetooth keyboard option for cheap. mouse function would be nice.]
6. More applications that run for the 770.
7. More functions that will help in daily use.
8. An instant messing client we all use [c'mon Google Talk?]

Okay... I honestly don't think that they will incorporate a mouse and keyboard thing because of prices and all (I'm just fantasizing in my own little world). But things that deal with code can be fixed or incorporated right?.. Then again this is just my little dream for the 770... lol.

[aflegg]

Seems to me that the only BIG changes in the 2006 OS is:
1. the relatively NEW look [i'll buy that...]
2. the NEW thumb keyboard that most of us don't use [good effort]


Of course none of us use it: it's not been released yet! (Duh... ;-))


3. the UPGRADED Opera browser [the regular one's good enough for me]


We don't know there have been any major changes to Opera.


4. the NEW Google Talk function [that nobody uses]
5. the new VOIP function [we're not even sure if the little bloody hole on the bottom (which I believe is a mic) will work]


Yes, it's a mic. Yes it'll work for VoIP (I'd bet money on it). As for no-one using Google Talk, I know a lot of people who do, and I'll be using it increasingly if the client on the 770's any good.


The only thing that actually hypes me up is the new themes (the one i'm using is getting kinda...)


Riiiiight... Of course, the 2006 OS - having proper package management - will make it a lot easier for third party themes to be used.


If I had my choice this is what I would fix:
1. A radically new look [I'll give Apple (although I hate Apple) credit for creating some cool looking machines (though I prefer Alienware and Voodoo better)]


You've pointed out you like the new theme (I'm holding out judgement, ATM) and I've said new themes will be easier. Personally, I think the general UI decisions have been largely the right ones. And as Alan Cox said, "you've succeeded in making it look like a Nokia device which runs Linux, rather than a Linux device from Nokia".


2. Better OS and hardware interactivity coding [A change to a different OS like Windows (if people want mass-user friendly OS) or Apple (for a more modern look) or just update the Linux OS to look a little more interesting]


Looks?! You don't choose an OS on looks. No version of a "mass-user friendly" Windows (if one exists) is suitable for the 770 hardware. Rumours of an Apple tablet are interesting, but it'll cost as much as a MacBook, not 250ukp!


3. Flash 8 player [for watching those live streaming videos]


Yep, but if Macromedia won't do it for a realistic fee from Nokia, it ain't gonna happen (unless gnash gets a lot better quickly).


4. More file extensions [such as tar.gz for installing actual Linux programs]


The new package management will allow for third party applications to register file handlers with gnomevfs. So, for example, an archiving program could register .gz, .bz2, .zip, .rar etc.


5. A better keyboard idea [like a bluetooth keyboard option for cheap. mouse function would be nice.]


There is a BlueTooth keyboard option. Written by a guy who works at Nokia (although it's not officially supported, as with all third party software).


6. More applications that run for the 770.
7. More functions that will help in daily use.
8. An instant messing client we all use [c'mon Google Talk?]


These are all kind of related: in less than 6 months of release, the 2005 OS had several hundred programs written or ported to it. With the more sane and sensible API, better packaging etc. which 2006 OS gives I'm really hopeful for the future application catalogue.

Personally, skyhusker's gaim has worked very well for me for MSN. And "more functions that will help in daily use" is just a bit vague.

Okay... I honestly don't think that they will incorporate a mouse and keyboard thing because of prices and all (I'm just fantasizing in my own little world). But things that deal with code can be fixed or incorporated right?.. Then again this is just my little dream for the 770... lol.

Dreams are fine, but sensible discussion as to what's possible and what's not, and the real pros and cons of the device is even better :-)

Especially if it can be directed into ways to make it a specific checklist for Nokia or a third party developer.

Cheers,

Andrew

[Simon]

"...The 770 tablet appears to have only a single one-eighth-inch headphone jack, but the jack actually supports mobile phone headsets with microphones...."

Didn't know that =)
I've always wondered. I have had the 770 crash a couple of times plugging in headphones. Could have just been chance but it wouldn't do that if it was simply a headphone socket hanging of an audio amp.

[aflegg]

The other day the screen had dimmed on mine when I plugged the headphones in and it lit up - further evidence of a software link between the socket and the OS.

The ability to support a mic would be cool indeed.

[derekh]

Why not release a beta OS for wider break-testing? Or from which URL can I get it?
--
Derek

[Jejoma]

I suspect it's past the beta stage by now. Just fine tuning before final release (ever optimistic)!

[aflegg]

derekh: I can see Nokia's point for not releasing it: as soon as it's ready for external use, they want it to make an impressive splash. A phased release makes that harder.

I'm beginning to think that the first release should be considered a developer release: either because of niggling bugs or the lack of 3rd party software.

After a couple of weeks there'll be software and (possibly) a new bug fix release :-)

[swissgoofy]

Sorry, to pop it like that: but have "we" by now found out wheter there will be new hardware or not? I am soooo ready to buy a 770, but wouldn't wanna miss new hardware at the same price tag...

mainly since VOIP would be a great add-on...

so... any new gospels about hard-/and os-upgrade vs. os-upgrade only?

;-)

[Hedgecore]

Per the news conference, there is something being developed(as there always is) but we won't see it for a longtime yet.

[swissgoofy]

meaning the 770 will be exact the same hardware as the one selling now and OS 2006 just a simple software upgrade?

So, i can go ahead and buy the nokia 770 without worries?

[aflegg]

Certainly without any worry that the hardware's about to be made obsolete.

[mullf]

I have had the 770 crash a couple of times plugging in headphones. Could have just been chance but it wouldn't do that if it was simply a headphone socket hanging of an audio amp.

I have had mine crash on several occasions when I have been taking my headphones out of the jack. I reported this to Nokia months ago. I don't know if the OS upgrade can fix this or not, but I hope so.

[phi]

so its june, where's the update? :)

[wiredless]

June 1st Nokia UK's 770 soaftware update page is down at 11:30 am. Software update page just redirects to nokia products. Keeping fingers crossed today is the day!

[dcarter]

don't get me all psyched up, though-- :confused:

I haven't even decided if I am going to immediately abandon my current OS with all of its wonderful hacks and crazy software patches that make it the wonderful machine it is
(I believe OS2006 WILL have an equivalent to the flash Swap, though...)

-its probably just a small DNS hiccup, though :rolleyes:

DCarter

[9a6or]

That download page has been down for some time...

[Coolty]

yeah, where's the 2006 update !?!?!?!?!?!

but seriously they should release it now :(

[forge]

yeah, where's the 2006 update !?!?!?!?!?!

but seriously they should release it now :(

But seriously, they should release a WORKING IT-2006 update. Not a half-baked shitty thing that will get all people to whine because its buggy.

I know, i'm waiting it as much as everybody else, and plan to install it the minute i see it released. But i still want them to release a good working update, not a crappy thing they will eventually update in the given month or so.

[Coolty]

i dont care if its shitty. i just want to try it.

[mancy]

Waiting ,,,,

here is the link for old version

http://www.europe.nokia.com/include/support/nokia770_eula.html?url=http://nds2.nokia.com/files/support/global/phones/software/Nokia_770_SE2005_5_2006_13_7.bin

someone genius get OS2006 bin Link from here

http://nds2.nokia.com/files/support/global/phones/software/

maybe they relase it on software directory but still not listed on nokia support page. thought :rolleyes:

[Hedgecore]

Error 403--Forbidden

[Coolty]

same error i got

[mancy]

yes i know normal user will get Error 403--Forbidden

but Linux Xperianced User will not get this error :)
he can list files in directory and give us the new Bin link.
but where is this Linux genius

[Coolty]

he must be a 1337 haxx0r, becuase you will need to get around a .htaccess file, good luck with that.

[kutibah]

Actually, all you need to do is get a software program such as BlackWidow. Basically, you tell it to search www.nokia.com and it will list you all it's directories (Public or Private). Then if the software is hidden and uploaded somewhere on their server, you'll find the link ;)

[Odin]

Sweet! So I don't have to return the 770 I just bought. I was getting nervous there for a bit. Did they say anything about a hardware change in the newer ones that come shipped with the 2006 OS?

I just bought one to be delivered tomorrow. I spent some time thinking about this--hope I didn't screw up.

[kutibah]

I just bought one to be delivered tomorrow. I spent some time thinking about this--hope I didn't screw up.
No, there won't be any hardware changes. At least not for quite sometime. In my opinion, any hardware change would probably occur next Christmas.

[Coolty]

back on the topic of the new update ---- where is it???

[Odin]

Not hard to add it if they missed it. Go back to the threads about the last update and the problem that they had with the time zones. it tells you how to add additonal time zones to the 770. I know you'd rather have it be there stanard. I don't blame you.

An entry for every timezone and soon the whole memory is used up...

Oops, quote was an eye for an eye and soon the whole world is blind.

[Odin]

I've always wondered. I have had the 770 crash a couple of times plugging in headphones. Could have just been chance but it wouldn't do that if it was simply a headphone socket hanging of an audio amp.

On the Tungsten C, if the Voice Memo app is active the unit will energize if off when a headset is plugged in. Turns out the TC expects a Nokia headset (four conductor mini-plug). It would not surprise me if the 770 has an interrupt keyed to the jack--this would explain the crashes.

[Simon]

On the Tungsten C, if the Voice Memo app is active the unit will energize if off when a headset is plugged in. Turns out the TC expects a Nokia headset (four conductor mini-plug). It would not surprise me if the 770 has an interrupt keyed to the jack--this would explain the crashes.
I wonder if you could hack that and use it for something useful. Some sort of switch or sensor hacked in through the audio port.

[fanoush]

I wonder if you could hack that and use it for something useful.

Yes, it is already used for something very useful, the speaker is turned off and the audio is redirected into headphones ;-)

Sorry for bad joke, but I suppose most people don't recognize this is done purely in software in most electronics nowadays.

insert headphones and run 'dmesg' command in xterm and you will see something like:
[95015.988861] headphone (GPIO 14) is now connected
[95015.991119] headphone (GPIO 14) is now disconnected

[Hedgecore]

WAY off topic: Howabout a battery powered keyboard that would plug into the audio jack and output sound of differing Hz depending on which key is pressed? (Software as well to decipher the input obviously)

[dattani98]

WAY off topic: Howabout a battery powered keyboard that would plug into the audio jack and output sound of differing Hz depending on which key is pressed? (Software as well to decipher the input obviously)
What are they serving down your local pub???!! Just kidding!

Nice idea but whats wrong with the BT keyboard?

[Hedgecore]

I was thinking more of a thumb pad, if someone was great at fabrication, one that would 'dock' with the bottom of the 770. BT keyboards are way too big and the fact I visit the pub often makes me not want to figure out a FrogPad ;)

[dattani98]

yeah....BT keyboards are a bit big and it would be nice if someone invented something smaller but pub resistant! (something thats small yet able to be used even when you've been hitting the strongbow super)

BTW - Where's that damned update?? :

[cobalt]

I don't have one, but the Freedom Mini BT KB is small (about the size of a credit card but thicker of course). And they are apparently making a second version, which is also about the size of a credit card but folds out. There are a few reviews up for the released version.

Here's the product page link:
Freedom Mini KB (http://freedominput.com/mainsite/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=12&Itemid=30)

[dattani98]

Nice!!

I didnt realise there were versions that were 'THAT' small!

[Lance Fortune]

Any word if the bluetooth pairing problems have been fixed?

I would really like to use DUN with my ppc6700.

[Coolty]

dont count on it

[TiganSan]

Any news on the release date of 2006 OS!

[jaycee]

Any news on the release date of 2006 OS!We've got insider information that suggests there's an internal Nokia rumour floating around the blogosphere grapevine that it'll be in 2006.





Perhaps 2007.

[moi]

We've got insider information that suggests there's an internal Nokia rumour floating around the blogosphere grapevine that it'll be in 2006.

Perhaps 2007.

the question was for OS2006 release for our 770s, not MS Vista release date :D :D

[kutibah]

the question was for OS2006 release for our 770s, not MS Vista release date :D :D
Haha that's funny. Let's hope Nokia's nothing like MS ;). Then again, I'd rather wait for a version that ain't buggy....

[rottie]

*lol*

This is getting frustrating!
What are they waiting for? Riots?

[NokNok770]

Well 2nd quarter of 06 ends this month so they better have it out before June.

[fredoll]

only for developper for now ...
check out http://www.maemo.org/#date_09062006

O Fred

[Remote User]

I've been off doing other things lately but I've just upgraded to the 2006 OS beta and am having a problem that isn't related to the upgrade but is driving me crazy. I can connect to wireless access points all over the place but I can't get anything to come up in the browser. I only get a message that says network problem or something like that. Anyone?

[aflegg]

Remote User: a proxy issue, perhaps?

[Texrat]

I don't get it-- I've already got the latest update on my tablet (that I can find on Nokia's site), but it still reports the 2005 OS. So what am I missing? I can't find any download other than 5.2006.13-7, which doesn't *appear* to have anything to do with the OS update.

???

[Milhouse]

http://www.maemo.org/downloads/nokia_770

[gnuite]

I've noticed a few bugs in the mistral beta - can anyone else confirm these before I report them ?

1. Notes crashes with "Notes closed due to an internal error" when I try to "Save As..." a plain-text note. I can save an HTML note, and I can even save as HTML, change the format to plain, and then do a regular Save (not "Save As...", although it does save with the non-html extension).

2. Notes crashes with "Notes closed due to an internal error" when I try to open an HTML file from the file manager (but opening a plain-text file works fine, and opening anything from the Notes application itself also works fine).

3. It is impossible to select text in a text field (at least multi-line, maybe single-line too, I forget) in the opera web browser and copy it for pasting elsewhere. Every time I try to select either the on-screen keyboard's or the menu's "Copy" menu items, the selection is cleared and nothing is copied. It's very frustrating! :)

Still, I love this update - there's no going back!

[disq]

I also experienced some copy-not-copying behavior (especially on xterm) or maybe it's the xterm

[Stickarm]

It is impossible to select text in a text field (at least multi-line, maybe single-line too, I forget) in the opera web browser and copy it for pasting elsewhere.Opera had this same behavior in the 2005 OS. While the copy function in the pop-up menu on the virtual keyboard doesn't work when dealing with text fields, the copy function in Opera's drop-down menu does work in that situation. Hooray for redundancy!

[zetsurin]

You know as a software developer, the most annoying thing that can happen is when you release an early beta and people _complain_ that's it doesn't fully work:

http://blogbeebe.blogspot.com/2006/06/nokia-770-internet-tablet-os-2006-beta.html

Very uninformed blog. eg: "And if this is what is being shipped on new 770's, then those new owners are not going to be happy campers.". WTF? What planet is this guyu from?

[shoegoo]

I read that blog post when it was featured on OSNews yesterday. I expected it to generally echo the sentiments of the people here; that although its a beta release with the understandable problems, things are looking good. Boy was I wrong. Quotes like "once installed, you can't revert back to an earlier version of the software", "I don't know what's happening with the browser, but it's unstable", "The system is unstable", and finally "Since my accounts are AIM and Yahoo, there's no way for me to use either of those services. The VoIP requires me to purchase a Bluetooth capable headset" clearly show he doesn't really have too much of an idea whet he's talking about and he doesn't understand what beta means.

[sonoronos]

zetsurin-

I can tell you exactly where that blogger is from. He's from planet Blog.
Here are some characteristics of people from planet Blog, aka Blogizens:

1) Unnecessarily aggressive. They will attack you for no apparent reason and will not stop their vitriolic rants until they perceive you have been shamed to death. If you turn around and insult them back, they will take it as encouragement because of #3 below. The best way to prevent this is to not read their blogs and reduce their hitcount. I hear this hurts them badly.

2) Uninformed. While they have an advanced civilization with computers, wireless internet access, and lots of electronic gadgetry, Blogizens have not yet learned to use their brains fully, leading to significant errors in judgement and reasoning.

3) Hungry for attention. Blogizen will say anything to be noticed, no opinion, no matter how ridiculous, is wrong as long as it scores a link from a blogsite. Other justifications for attention are, "e-props", "comment stars". They love feedback. The more feedback you leave on their page, the longer their comment page gets. Long comment pages on planet Blog are similar to the necks of women in the Karen-Padung tribe on Earth - the longer, the more beautiful.

4) Always negative. You can tell a Planet Blogger from an Earth person by looking at the tone of their comments. Citizens of planet Blog are always negative in their tone. Scientists say that this is because negative comments and insults are perceived as being "interesting" in underdeveloped Blogizen brains.

[a280z]

I just bought the 770 last night, and got VNC to work with it thanks to these great forums! Yay! I love it!

However, I was looking around at stuff and noticed this, a Nokia 870 picture (prototype)?

When is this thing coming out?

I would have made a new thread, but since I'm new, I guess it won't let me on this forum.

http://www.engadget.com/2006/10/26/nokia-870-surfaces-in-the-wild/

[aflegg]

Why not use the existing thread?

http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=24355

[Hedgecore]

Speakin of which, I msgd Reggie to remove that link (so as not to anger our Nokia overlords).

"... why is the 870 pink now?" *lightning crashes*

[a280z]

Sorry, I searched earlier in the day, and didn't find anything on it, I still had the browser/reply open and just sent it when I came back later.

I got it to dial GPRS out with my h6315 ipaq (tmobile), and then a v330 that my wife uses. The v330 has some sort of EDGE capability, but I don't think it's as fast as possible (any recommendations for an EDGE phone?)

Got orb to stream to it, was watching TV and spaceballs from my home at my friends house and in the car. Got music streaming to work. Got VNC to work (even scale, using a login to my home PC, and then scaling other VNC clients through it). Now my eyes hurt from the tiny (but very clear) text. I love this thing... just don't want to be the last person to buy the 770 when the 870 comes out. I have 30 days to return/exchange it, will keep my fingers crossed.

I don't see why people complain about the speed, it's not THAT bad for me. I don't see why you want a cell phone IN the device, because of so many formats (edge, evdo, hsdpa, gprs, etc) and so many carriers, some which don't even use SIM cards (verizon and sprint). A camera would be nice, but not needed.

SD card would be nice, and I guess a faster CPU as long as the battery life stayed the same.

The screen is what sold me. It's simply amazing. After using stupid QVGA Pocket PC's, this is a nice change. I don't understand why screens are getting even smaller on the the PPC's, such as the h6500+ series, which have square 240x240 screens. WTF.

The contender for this Nokia device would have been the MDA Pro (HTC Universal), but it doesn't work in the US (mostly, due to 50mhz band differences), and has no EDGE or EVDO capability. You can't have it all (yet) I guess. I just got tired of waiting (almost 2 years now lol). Not that I want to sound like Mike Cane (yea, I've been lurking for 3-4 days lol)

The next thing that comes close (but is too bulky, and way too expensive), is the SONY UMPC UX180 or 280p. It was $1500 at fry's, but they sold the last demo 1 hour before I got to the store. Too big for your pocket, too heavy, and battery life stinks. Neat idea however.

[aflegg]

Speakin of which, I msgd Reggie to remove that link (so as not to anger our Nokia overlords).

Why? I can understand why Reggie would remove the picture at their request, but should we really go out of our way to help them deny all knowledge?

It's not like there are regular Nokia contributions to ITT, certainly as ITT forum users I wouldn't have thought it was in our interest to help them bury it.

[Hedgecore]

Andrew: True enough... though they do lurk here and I've seen a few items people complained about enough implemented in the IT2006 relase (ie VOIP, albeit not to the standard in which we had hoped).

a280: I'm in the same boat. Sure it'd be nice if it were a 12GHz device with a terrabyte of RAM but hell... I grew up on a C64, I don't mind waiting 10 seconds for an app to load up because I know what it's like to wait 10 minutes. Crashes will happen from time to time, but that's no big deal.

I think the hugest thing about the 770 that you'll like is checking for apps every once in a while and finding things that completely change how you use the tablet. Take VNC for example, I didn't even have to get up from the couch to change the songs WinAmp was playing... I just VNC'd in, popped it up, changed the song, and logged out. Wonder if there's any diet apps :)

A friend and I drove from Toronto to Troy Michigan to buy ours... I saw the demo copy, ran up, and ... battery dead. No plug. It turned on long enough for the NOKIA logo to pop up on the main screen and that's when I realized just how amazing the resolution was. We choked back Krispee Kreme coffee (Canadian diets aren't ready for that stuff) and stole power from a convenient outlet under the table to charge them... definately impressive.

[a280z]

Yea, I've lived with the "crappy" TI OMAP 1510 CPU that's in my h6300 ipaq for 2 years. It's a little slow, but it does everything I ask it too. People don't realize that it's a dual core RISC cpu of sorts, with a seperate DSP for multimedia and other support.

The Nokia uses the OMAP 1710, with enhancments, plus a 25 mhz boost. Not too shabby. My h6315 lasts a long time compared to my 500mhz+ dell axim x50, and both can do about the same stuff.

I know what a slow computer is lol, TRS-80, 8086/8, 286 w.o coprocessors, etc lol, but it's fun stuff!

I just hope the new nokia doesn't have the n93 TI CPU, which is around 400-500mhz! That would be a huge difference, and I might have to exchange my 770. Actually, I hope it does have it :) and maybe I'll give this 770 to the wifey.

[heckler770]

I just bought the 770 last night, and got VNC to work with it thanks to these great forums! Yay! I love it!

However, I was looking around at stuff and noticed this, a Nokia 870 picture (prototype)?

When is this thing coming out?

I would have made a new thread, but since I'm new, I guess it won't let me on this forum.

http://www.engadget.com/2006/10/26/nokia-870-surfaces-in-the-wild/
I would enjoy your 770 now, it's very useful- OS2006 is great, I use mine daily for web, music, email, etc. I'm sure the 870 will have worth while improvements such as better implementation of VOIP (I've never gotten GTalk to work, oh well....), but there is no word that I have seen on when it will be available. I'd be surprised if it came out before Q2 next year or any time in '07 considering that pic is essentially a "spy photo" not an officially announced picture.

There is always going to be a newer version.

Oh well. My humble $.02