[Canola] Canola Beta 9 : Bug reports, Feedback, Suggestions

[handful]

Please Use this thread to post all the bugs you've found except the upnp that will have it's own thread!

BR

[mwiktowy]

Have you abandoned plans for DAAP or is that still on the roadmap?

[handful]

mwiktowy : on the roadmap it is, but we need to know if there will be man power for that : / we are already late with the other projects (the ones, that pays the bills) : /

Sorry,

Marcelo

[mwiktowy]

Please Use this thread to post all the bugs you've found except the upnp that will have it's own thread!

BR

Basic update worked fine. I did reboot after updating just for good measure. Don't know if it was strictly necessary.

Playing with it now before bed :]

[GeneralAntilles]

Updated using Diablo's new Update All, worked quite nicely. :D

Beta 9 is a lot faster. The whole interface feels much more responsive and snappy. Really big improvement here.

UPnP is fantastic so far, connects to the EyeConnect server on my G5, works great.

All in all, this is a rather fantastic release so far!

Thanks, guys!

[bobloadmire]

When your in the album cover view for music, when you click and hold, it does not add that song to the on the go list.

oh yeah interface is really responsive, thumbs up!

i love you guys, great work, if we were in prison, i would protect you in the showers.

[handful]

that's the best compliment ever!!!! :) I feel ok to go to jail now!!!
Playlist: yeah it's not everywhere but we will improve it over time !

Cheers

[markku]

So is the ogg-support once again broken because my oggs won't show in audio files? Or is there something to update? Canola looks great, it's quick and those new plugins are just great! Thank you!

[anidel]

I am experiencing troubles downloading it!
I don't even get close to half of the download bar and I get a 'failed to download' message :(
We'll keep trying later...

[frethop]

Has the test build / testing environment for Linux been update to Beta 9?

[Bundyo]

Marcelo, great work.

Just some observations:
* I still need to modify osso-software-version to get to run videos on 2008HE.
* UPNP plugin works on 2008HE, despite that it is not present in the 770 repo. Didn't actually test it to play videos, 'cause i don't have upnp server here.

[anidel]

Okay I was finally able to update it.

[jamesshuang]

Hmm, I figured I shouldn't have done a full upgrade. I have the extras-devel repository. Seems that the python update killed canola with the following message:

c_evas.so: undefined symbol: evas_event_feed_hold

Any idea how to fix this?

[handful]

Couple of things:

A. Ogg support and the Development environment were not update, expect the updates soon (this week)

b. bundyo : yes you still need to do that, as I told you we were frozen, and morpheuz was out in vacations, but we will add this to beta 10

Bundyo: can you make a new thread helping the 770 users with the HE edition to use it?

:)

Thanks!

Marcelo

[handful]

James:

We do the following:

a. close everything
b. remove all "devel" and non-official repos (or just disable them)
c. run canola-cleanup
d. reboot (just to make sure)
e. install canola2

:)

let me know if it helps!

Marcelo Oliveira

[Bundyo]

Bundyo: can you make a new thread helping the 770 users with the HE edition to use it?

Will do, but after i get home first.

[liquid217]

Just wanted to say thanks for adding flv support to the media scanner. Now, I can watch all of my flv files through canola.

[handful]

liquid, I know the name of the video is the hash from youtube URL but we will improve it soon : ) a ctually the new you tube is going to really surprise you guys : lots of features before beta10 :)

Marcelo

[hfw01]

Does playlist creation only work for items in the music library?

I tried it with my podcasts, and it does not appear to work. I would love to be able to add podcasts to the playlist. That way it didn't just automatically play the next podcast in the new podcast list. That happens when I don't stop a podcast right before the end, and then the next podcast that starts isn't marked new any longer, and it may not be the one I am going to listen to next, so I have to remember to navigate to it when I want to hear it.

Thanks for the update. It's looking good.

-hal

[briand]

[...]actually the new you tube is going to really surprise you guys [...]


now, that's not fair! you can't drop something like that without a hint at projected availability!!

[aNoble]

It looks like there is a bug in the YouTube plugin. When you hit the hardware "back" button when in full-screen mode it just goes to a black screen and stays there. The only way out of it I've found is to hit the switcher button and close Canola.

By the way YouTube videos are playing much smoother now. Thanks.

[handful]

Hi Hal : for now now yes. BUT I PERSONALLY asked a system that would work ANYWHERE. So it can be added as we go. To avoid multiple feedbacks from different sources we have only in music today :)

*also we want to avoid cross-listing because the change of players -> back to screen would be very confusing :)

But: Add Tags (recursive Adds) and PLaylist for podcast, videocast, and others will be available soon!

Briand :
If I say friday this week would that be good? :)))

<Marcelo

[handful]

Anoble : thanks for the report, I faced that myself.. didn't understand what was happening!
we will fix it!

Marcelo

[twaelti]

A big thank you to everybody working on Canola! This new release really is awesome - fun to play around, very usable, lots of really "sweet" eye candy. Great work you did!

(don't worry, I'll be back with suggestions, bugs and nagging :-D

[khalid]

Thank you to the canola team. Another good release. Videos now retain aspect ratio when playing full screen, Yeah!!!

Album cover downloader still hangs for me. It has done this for the last 2 or 3 releases. Somehow it hangs when trying to load album cover for "Classic Queen" album. I end up killing it and then I have no album covers. I wonder if I can bypass cover download for this one album by storing a local cover image and have cover download complete for rest of the albums. How is one supposed to store an album cover locally - a jpeg image with a specific filename in the album directory, or something else?

[briand]

If I say friday this week would that be good?


not as good as if you said tuesday this week, but acceptable. ;)

thanks

[handful]

Hi, Khalid :

can you try downloading only this album's cover? go to the 3-album screen, and click options, update album covers. It will try just for it, and you can say from where do you want. Try also removing the support now for anything else then amazon

Yes, you just put a cover.jpg on the same folder :)

Twaelti : Thanks dude! hope you find a couple of bugs :)

[handful]

Briand, I maybe surprise you eheheh :)
Kidding :)

[joeD]

James:

We do the following:

a. close everything
b. remove all "devel" and non-official repos (or just disable them)
c. run canola-cleanup
d. reboot (just to make sure)
e. install canola2

:)

let me know if it helps!

Marcelo Oliveira


Hi! So I am having difficulty updating Canola2 as well. I actually uninstalled, ran canola-cleanup, rebooted, and tried reinstalling canola2 beta 9 with no success. Any ideas as to why I'm unable to update? I have followed the steps above, and tried some other steps to update...please help. I may have to go back to beta 8...it's hard going w/out canola when you get used to it.

[lintweaker]

Nice update! It feels a lot smoother.
How can I test the UPNP functionality, I have a upnp server a home but it does not show up (but alas I do not know where to check either ;-) ).

edit: forgot the upnp got it's own thread...
Jurgen

[hfw01]

Marcelo,

Thanks for the update. I am really excited to have a playlist feature in Canola. It is already my main app on the N800, and my media app 99% of the time.

Thanks for all the great work.

-hal

[Bundyo]

Nice update! It feels a lot smoother.
How can I test the UPNP functionality, I have a upnp server a home but it does not show up (but alas I do not know where to check either ;-) ).

edit: forgot the upnp got it's own thread...
Jurgen

You should have a fifth Media servers button on the main Canola screen.

[handful]

@JOED
You need to send us info dude :) we cannot figure out by magic what happened :)
so, please try installing go into the menu of the application manager search for logs.. and send us the log result.

What can happens:
you have devel-class repositories, that are blocking stuff etc.
So follow the directions on the post :
remove/disabled all the devel things
make sure you don;'t have python launcher installed
make sure no application is running when installing
run again canola-cleanup just to make sure (it unninstall canola, so don't need to unninstal by hand) and then try installing...

Let me know if it goes :)

Marcelo

[slvr32]

Hi, Khalid :

can you try downloading only this album's cover? go to the 3-album screen, and click options, update album covers. It will try just for it, and you can say from where do you want. Try also removing the support now for anything else then amazon

Yes, you just put a cover.jpg on the same folder :)

Twaelti : Thanks dude! hope you find a couple of bugs :)

sorry, where is this in the UI... 3-album screen, options, update album covers, etc...?

i've also been having trouble with album cover art, and i've noticed that the standalone 'Album Cover' app/script doesn't seem to run at all if I exit Canola and just try to update album cover art outside of Canola.

can i drop to a terminal and troubleshoot the album cover art functionality somehow?

also, the problem seems to spread to other areas of Canola, in that I have a list of songs in 'All songs', but the 'Artists', 'Albums', and 'Cover Arts' are empty.

last bit, and please don't take offense, but shouldn't the 'arts' related bits just be 'art'... since art is plural in English... i.e. Cover Art... not Cover Arts, etc...

[handful]

Jurgen :
Yes, it appears "Media Server Ball, besides the Settings one"
You click, you get a search servers, click it.. it will list the servers for you.
Once you select one server.. make sure your server is configured, your firewall on the network allows the traffic of the upnp data.. and so on.

You will be able to browse the folders the upnp server is exposing.

Marcelo

[handful]

sorry, where is this in the UI... 3-album screen, options, update album covers, etc...?

i've also been having trouble with album cover art, and i've noticed that the standalone 'Album Cover' app/script doesn't seem to run at all if I exit Canola and just try to update album cover art outside of Canola.

can i drop to a terminal and troubleshoot the album cover art functionality somehow?

also, the problem seems to spread to other areas of Canola, in that I have a list of songs in 'All songs', but the 'Artists', 'Albums', and 'Cover Arts' are empty.

last bit, and please don't take offense, but shouldn't the 'arts' related bits just be 'art'... since art is plural in English... i.e. Cover Art... not Cover Arts, etc...

Don't worry, it's my personal mistake. never had English Classes, so I do make a lot of silly mistakes. Funny that Caio asked me that. So Arts is wrong right? we will change in the updates.

About those things : did you install : Canola-tuning-plugin ? (not the standalone one)?

If so : please refer to the manual or the news :

http://www.openbossa.indt.org/canola/images/screens_tuning.jpg

http://www.openbossa.indt.org/canola/using.html (its not updated to beta9) but you can store it :)

----
about the empty list : Do you music appeared before? Do you have tags? if they are appearing in the all songs, and not in the others is because they are not tagged, or the scanner is breaking when finding some corrupted/not supported/particular file (it's probably a bug on our scanner)

What format are you using? Mp3s?

Yes you can install the canola-tuning-plugin and run canola in xTerm with -vvv as arguments for debugging messages output.

Also the source is online in the website : http://www.openbossa.indt.org/canola/developer.html

Marcelo

[slvr32]

Don't worry, it's my personal mistake. never had English Classes, so I do make a lot of silly mistakes. Funny that Caio asked me that. So Arts is wrong right? we will change in the updates.

About those things : did you install : Canola-tuning-plugin ? (not the standalone one)?

If so : please refer to the manual or the news :

(image removed for quoting)

http://www.openbossa.indt.org/canola/using.html (its not updated to beta9) but you can store it :)

about the empty list : Do you music appeared before? Do you have tags? if they are appearing in the all songs, and not in the others is because they are not tagged, or the scanner is breaking when finding some corrupted/not supported/particular file (it's probably a bug on our scanner)

What format are you using? Mp3s?

Yes you can install the canola-tuning-plugin and run canola in xTerm with -vvv as arguments for debugging messages output.

Also the source is online in the website : http://www.openbossa.indt.org/canola/developer.html

Marcelo

i do have the canola-tuning app and canola-tuning-plugin installed...

i tried deleting ~/.canola and adding my media folders (external card) for audio, photos, and video again.

i noticed that the video thumbnail standalone app doesn't run when ~/.canola (or maybe some porition of the subdirectories) doesn't exist.

the standalone album cover art app runs, but finishes very quickly, which seems a little fishy :)

i only have one artist/album (mp3) on my external card right now, but the artist and album in question did have cover art at one time that was fetched with the standalone album cover art sometime in February with a previous canola release.

i'd be happy to send you a link to test my mp3's or provide any other assistance that might be helpful.

[handful]

Yeah, it's not installed correctly ... you should have a options button there in the right lower corner.

Can you try clicking there?

And does it appears on settings (the option) ?

Please, unninstall and re-install them : /

We will investigate this conflict.. it shouldn't happen :

Marcelo

[khalid]

Hi, Khalid :

can you try downloading only this album's cover? go to the 3-album screen, and click options, update album covers. It will try just for it, and you can say from where do you want. Try also removing the support now for anything else then amazon

Yes, you just put a cover.jpg on the same folder :)

Hi Marcelo,

I had been using the canola-tuning standalone app. I uninstalled it and installed canola-tuning-plugin instead. No more hang, but no album covers either. It downloaded album cover for only 1 out of some 42 albums I have. I did disable all sources for album cover other than amazon. I am pretty sure all of my ID3 tags are good. Maybe there is difference in the spelling or capitalization compared to what amazon might have. I wonder how sensitive search is at amazon to capitalization differences.

[joeD]

@JOED
You need to send us info dude :) we cannot figure out by magic what happened :)
so, please try installing go into the menu of the application manager search for logs.. and send us the log result.

What can happens:
you have devel-class repositories, that are blocking stuff etc.
So follow the directions on the post :
remove/disabled all the devel things
make sure you don;'t have python launcher installed
make sure no application is running when installing
run again canola-cleanup just to make sure (it unninstall canola, so don't need to unninstal by hand) and then try installing...

Let me know if it goes :)

Marcelo

OK...I finally got it to work. I ran canola-cleanup four times, then deleted some duplicate repos, and now it's installed. Thanks for your patience.

Joe

[handful]

Hey JoeD :)
don't need to thanks for the patient :) if we are providing a software that aims to make things easier, We need to be ready to help! :)))

Hope you like beta9!

Marcelo

[handful]

JKhalid, did you try in a individual album?
can you send me the tags for the album name / artist name so we can test?

Marcelo

[Oberon85]

Bug??

I just had an alarm go off, while canola was playing, and it froze canola. I dismissed the alarm, and canola would not respond to screen input.

Just thought you should know.

The new version is very snappy, running tuning right now to update covers. Excellent work to everyone on the team, and thank you all. I particularly love the on the move playlist, which is where I am heading next for more 'testing.' 8-)

[khalid]

JKhalid, did you try in a individual album?
can you send me the tags for the album name / artist name so we can test?

Marcelo

That worked! Once I went to 3-album view, I could download individual album covers through options menu. Slower than downloading them all in one shot, but it works. Thanks!

[Thesandlord]

Ok, this may seem like a stupid "problem." I installed the newest version of canola, everything went fine. The menu items were quicker, BUT the scrolling of the list was much worse. Sometime the kinetic scrolling would jump around, sometimes not scroll at all, etc... This was the only problem (its a big problem, because it is hard to select songs as well), great job on this! But...

Ok this is the stupid part. I accidentally downloaded a large video to the internal memory (ROM) instead of the memory card! Now, I did not realize this, and this only gave me around 3 MB free space left on the device. When I ran Canola, it would not show any music, videos etc. This is kinda expected, because I had no space! Now comes the werid part. I thought, at that time, that maybe it was a temporary problem. So I quit Canola, and tried to restart. Nothing happened. So them I tried to run it from the terminal. No output, nothing, it just sat there, and then quit. After I removed the "rogue" video file, everything seems to work fine (except for the scrolling).

Thanks for the great program

Edit: Wait, does the list now have pressure support? Because I just tried it with a light touch, and it seemed to work much better.

[hfw01]

I've gotten to play a little more today, and things are looking really good. The kinetic scrolling seems to be improved. I had been having issues with accidental clicks, but since I upgrading things seem to be going smoother (no accidental clicks).

I have hit one bug. While downloading podcasts, using my blackberry for internet, I had a call come in, and lost my connection. I never could get those downloads to restart/resume. I tried reconnecting to a couple of different networks (wireless) and reconnecting to my phone. I tried closing and restarting Canola. I tried shutting down the tablet. (I did grow up using MS-Dos & Windows) I ended up deleting the partially downloaded files in Canola and starting the downloads over. Which did work.

I had trouble with the 'Todays Feeds' page. I have a bunch of feeds, and it seems to be hanging while it is trying to fetch all of today's podcasts. It seems to be making progress for a while, the spinning circle has little pauses, which always has seemed to mean it is finding something to me. Then it starts spinning without stopping and the list never loads. I gave up after about 15 minutes. It doesn't take 15 minutes to load each one individually from the My Feeds page, and start my downloads. I wish the Todays Feeds page would show some sort of progress as it fetches new content. Either telling me which podcast it is fetching, and what it finds as it goes. Or maybe just a status 'Fetching 1 of 10', etc.

Maybe when I am done downloading all of my Podcasts for the day I will try the Youtube plugin.

Thanks,

Hal

[handful]

Khalid, this is really odd, because one by one is the same thing.. I think one file is breaking the search : /// if we could find it it would be nice to debug.

@thesandlord

did you really had that much problem with the scrolling? are you trying to scroll in the middle of the list and not on the bottom on in the corners? are you putting enough pressure to be recognize was a click and drag? Can you test with the stylus? I had some feedback from users that were complaining and they saw that it was lack of pressure. (of course it's damn easier to be our fault, as we are not satisfied with the list still)

Apart from the jump : it's more due to CPU hogging, if it's canola.. or you touchscreen is generating erractic mouse coordinates (is that calibrated) ?


The lack of memory is really like that. if there's no memory on the internal memory we are not able even to start it to give you an error : /

about the light touch : yes we indeed improve it to not have miss clicks anymore ( WOW now I'm relieved )
BR

[rhouge]

I just updated, it's late so I may be missing something obvious, but where would I find the UPNP list?

It is VERY snappy, muito melhor!!

EDIT: Found it, didn't realize it was a plugin. I'll play tomorrow, boa noite.

[handful]

Bug??

I just had an alarm go off, while canola was playing, and it froze canola. I dismissed the alarm, and canola would not respond to screen input.

Just thought you should know.

The new version is very snappy, running tuning right now to update covers. Excellent work to everyone on the team, and thank you all. I particularly love the on the move playlist, which is where I am heading next for more 'testing.' 8-)
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Did you use a particular application for the alarm? So we can reproduce the bug here?
Thanks for the compliments..! :)


I've gotten to play a little more today, and things are looking really good. The kinetic scrolling seems to be improved. I had been having issues with accidental clicks, but since I upgrading things seem to be going smoother (no accidental clicks).
Yes Hal, Adriano added some more "preventive" variables, and after some heavy user testing (first list was really error-free but then it was impossible to click :) ) we got this middle term, :)

About the feeds : I personally complained about that slowness, and also about the lack of feedback. I have a huge list of places where feedback is needed, and they will be added. But don't worry this my feeds page will have some improvements on next beta, trying to reach a usable point is the key for it now.

New youtube is coming soon :)

Marcelo

[Ogar]

Unfortunately, I'm still having video/audio playback issues with choppy video and audio. I've tried uninstalling Canola with the Canola uninstall utility several times in a row, then rebooting, then installing everything again. It appears as though I have mPlayer .26 official verson from the extras repository. I don't have any devel grade repositories installed (as far as I can tell) and I have no idea how to remove python-launcher, or where it's located.

I've had this issues since v8, but decided to wait until 9 to see if anything changed.I just ran through the sequence described in the forums for version 8 several times with v.9 and no luck. Any additional suggestions?

[nspeer]

I'm using a 770 with OS2006. Just updated. Canola begins to load and then goes into an endless "updating media library". Only way to stop it is to use the taskbar tool that allows one to "kill" a program.

[Bundyo]

Unfortunately, I'm still having video/audio playback issues with choppy video and audio. I've tried uninstalling Canola with the Canola uninstall utility several times in a row, then rebooting, then installing everything again. It appears as though I have mPlayer .26 official verson from the extras repository. I don't have any devel grade repositories installed (as far as I can tell) and I have no idea how to remove python-launcher, or where it's located.

I've had this issues since v8, but decided to wait until 9 to see if anything changed.I just ran through the sequence described in the forums for version 8 several times with v.9 and no luck. Any additional suggestions?

mplayer .27 should fare better afaik.

[josiahg777]

Hey, just updated today and spent some time playing with it :)

It's amazing! I'm still amazed at how gorgeous canola is on the tablet :) The animations seem much smoother and the interface hangs less often. Especially the settings menus, way less tearing. Cover Arts as well seems a little smoother.

On the subject of cover arts, the Cover Arts plugin hung at 2% every time I tried it... I ran the standalone script and that worked.

On the whole I love it! Thanks for such an amazing program guys!

[twaelti]

I'm still having video/audio playback issues with choppy video and audio. ... It appears as though I have mPlayer .26 official verson from the extras repository.
Any additional suggestions?
It's an issue with .26. Try if upgrading to mPlayer .27 helps. If not, downgrade to .24 (or what was the version before).

[handful]

Rhouge: there's a 5th Icon on the main menu : media servers : it's the upnp.

Unfortunately, I'm still having video/audio playback issues with choppy video and audio. I've tried uninstalling Canola with the Canola uninstall utility several times in a row, then rebooting, then installing everything again. It appears as though I have mPlayer .26 official verson from the extras repository. I don't have any devel grade repositories installed (as far as I can tell) and I have no idea how to remove python-launcher, or where it's located.
Well, what device are you using? and the most important, the viodes you try to play: do the play nicely in the default media player? or only in the standalone mplayer?

What music format are you using?

Maybe the problem isn't your installation:

a. you are using high quality vifdeos (that only standalone mplayer will play) and for now, until mplayer embedded mode is as good as standalone it will be choppy in higher quality. Solution for that; encode the videos with a lower resolution (it can be a good one, but not the best one supported by mplayer)

b. you are using also a music codec, only supported by mplayer with the same problem of too high quality.

So please try the following : get the basic n800 video and play it. does it play it choppy?

b. can you edit the atabake config file (please do a search in the forum) and set everything to OMS instead of mplayer to see if the still choppy.

Let me know your results..


I'm using a 770 with OS2006. Just updated. Canola begins to load and then goes into an endless "updating media library". Only way to stop it is to use the taskbar tool that allows one to "kill" a program.
It seems that we will not be able to support os2006 anymore. but you can still send us the debug message, running canola via xterm with -vvv as argument :

canola -vvv


Other thing : the only "supported" version for 770 will be the hacker edition.

Marcelo


I've had this issues since v8, but decided to wait until 9 to see if anything changed.I just ran through the sequence described in the forums for version 8 several times with v.9 and no luck. Any additional suggestions?

[handful]

JOsiag :

Maybe one search is killing the device: can you do the following? uncheck some of the options : like folder and id3 and see if the hangs?

Also, if it doesn't, can you please go one by one on your covers (as it hangs on 2% may be on the first albums) to see what album gives you the trouble so you can send the files to us and we will be able to reproduce /fix the bug

Marcelo

[briand]

Hiya Marcelo...

I installed/updated Canola Beta9 last night after I got home. The application upgrade went fine, and I also updated a few other programs that showed on the list (Personal Menu, gPodder, etc). The Personal Menu application suggested a reboot, so I shut the tablet down and rebooted.

I started up Canola briefly to see what was new/changed, and was anxious to play with the new UPNP plugin, so I exited Canola and fired up the Application Manager again. Tried to download the plugin multiple times (6 or 7) and it kept "hanging" with zero bytes transferred. Finally, shut down the tablet and rebooted, then tried to download the plugin, and it downloaded immediately on the first try.

So, I suspect that Canola is leaving something around in memory when it shuts down (it's not shutting down as cleanly as it appears to be, apparently).

Since I did finally get the UPNP plugin installed, I'll comment on that in the other thread... ;)

[handful]

Hiya Marcelo...

I installed/updated Canola Beta9 last night after I got home. The application upgrade went fine, and I also updated a few other programs that showed on the list (Personal Menu, gPodder, etc). The Personal Menu application suggested a reboot, so I shut the tablet down and rebooted.

I started up Canola briefly to see what was new/changed, and was anxious to play with the new UPNP plugin, so I exited Canola and fired up the Application Manager again. Tried to download the plugin multiple times (6 or 7) and it kept "hanging" with zero bytes transferred. Finally, shut down the tablet and rebooted, then tried to download the plugin, and it downloaded immediately on the first try.

So, I suspect that Canola is leaving something around in memory when it shuts down (it's not shutting down as cleanly as it appears to be, apparently).

It can be canola, it can be the other softwares you use :)
What we do after a canola shutdown : CanolaD keeps running for a couple of minutes, just to make sure if you closed accidentally or it crashed, you can re-start as fast as possible. After this 2 minutes I believe, the deamons are all killed and things should be clear. If you hadn't managed to install it I would have suggested that you wait 5 minutes. If it worked then.. it would be canola. If not then other software can also be blocking. But one point :

Canola NEVER interfers with the application installer. When you try to install something and it hangs, it's probably someone conflicting with app installer or the internet connection. We are really really reserved in using anything from the system. So we believe that it may be other component.

[grog]

I've noticed a problem when I have more than a few videos in a folder (i.e. 4) there's no way that I can find to scroll down to select ones that aren't shown on the screen. I checked on the music list screen & I see the same issue, which makes sense 'cause it's probably the same code rendering the screen, just for different types of files. I can see a scrollbar appear for a second or two after the list is presented, but no matter what I do I can't activate it.

I think I found a reference to this issue in the beta 7 thread (http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=160856&postcount=134), but it's not clear to me that it is the same issue or not. Is there any work-around for this? tx

[handful]

Hi Grog :

so you actually dragged your finger (from the middle of the screen) towards the bottom and released (with enough pressure to generate events?)

And it didn';t work?

The scrollbar is not a scrollbar (as it barely has width for that) it's just a scrolling indicator.

I can say one thing: if scrolling was a bug, nobody would be able to use it :) because it's the basic interaction in the software : probably you have:

a. something blocking the events to get to canola
b. problematic screen (did you calibrated it)
c. been trying to use hardware (it doesn't work by now) it will work in the future thought.

If you have a 770 you may need to put MORE pressure, because the screen is not sensitive enough

Marcelo

[grog]

Hi Grog :
so you actually dragged your finger (from the middle of the screen) towards the bottom and released (with enough pressure to generate events?)

No, what i actually didn't know to try is to drag my finger from the middle of the screen UP to the TOP, thereby dragging the file list up with it :). I hadn't realized that that was the way to do it. I should do some more browsing at the homepage (http://openbossa.indt.org.br/canola/) before reporting bugs. Sorry about that :o.

[dsmudger]

Thank you to the Canola team. Another good release - I'll keep this one short and sweet - one bug and one feature request for you to consider adding to the list:

1) I use the flat-black theme, not sure how much this is a problem with others, but: particularly in the sub-menus such as 'Audio', when you tap an icon it zooms in very slightly resulting in ugly jaggies/scaling artefacts, just before they zoom to the middle of the screen. Particulary noticeable on the CD icon for 'My music' and the casette tape for Podcasts. The problem exists throughout the interface but these are the best cases to illustrate (elsewhere the icons swish out of view quite fast so you don't see it unless you look for it, here there's a distinct pause when the icon scales just a small amount, leading to this probably unavoidable scaling issue, before it continues with the animation).

2) feature request: would it be possible to optionally or otherwise add the &fmt= trick to youtube URLs? I imagine the N8*0 hardware should be able to handle the slightly higher quality video? (though perhaps not - propose it's well worth a little test?) :)

Cheers! D.

[handful]

@dsmudger:

1) this zooming is noticeable because they are 2 colors only. While the hardware doesn't support in good performance good and nice scaling / vector icons usage this will happen. Actually the only place where the icon scales is there and in the side icons (in the sub menu).

2) I don't think it can handle it yet :) but we can play with this in the next update :)

Marcelo

[Ogar]

a. you are using high quality vifdeos (that only standalone mplayer will play) and for now, until mplayer embedded mode is as good as standalone it will be choppy in higher quality. Solution for that; encode the videos with a lower resolution (it can be a good one, but not the best one supported by mplayer)

-- They play fine in the default player (Media Player). It may be that they are encoded in too high a quality.--


So please try the following : get the basic n800 video and play it. does it play it choppy?

-- No it is not choppy--

b. can you edit the atabake config file (please do a search in the forum) and set everything to OMS instead of mplayer to see if the still choppy. Let me know your results..


1. I downloaded this file
http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/emelfm2/

2. Using this application I found the atabake file at home/users/atabake.

3. I then used the emelfm2 edit tool to change the cofig file as instructed. This fixed the problem. THANKS! --!

[spice3d]

1. Seems more responsive than v8.
2. Haven't run into the overdriven volume issue.
3. Some sort of tag issue with two albums. Canola would not recognize them as an album. I converted to MP3 and they were fine. No idea why. I even retagged them. I have lots of other wmas and they work fine.
4. Canola would see Orb server with UPNP feature, but wouldn't list any files.
5. TVersity server audio worked, but not video. I could see the files and the player would load up, but the server would crash. Mostly Xvid AVIs.

[handful]

Spice3D : I think mikel is doing some heavy tests with tversity to find out the best encodings settings for each media.

Can you send the wmas for us? We still also have some genre problems so any problematic file is welcome.

Also we are debugging a lot the upnp server support it will probably improve a lot in next updates.

Marcelo

[handful]

a. you are using high quality vifdeos (that only standalone mplayer will play) and for now, until mplayer embedded mode is as good as standalone it will be choppy in higher quality. Solution for that; encode the videos with a lower resolution (it can be a good one, but not the best one supported by mplayer)

-- They play fine in the default player (Media Player). It may be that they are encoded in too high a quality.--


So please try the following : get the basic n800 video and play it. does it play it choppy?

-- No it is not choppy--

b. can you edit the atabake config file (please do a search in the forum) and set everything to OMS instead of mplayer to see if the still choppy. Let me know your results..


1. I downloaded this file
http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/emelfm2/

2. Using this application I found the atabake file at home/users/atabake.

3. I then used the emelfm2 edit tool to change the cofig file as instructed. This fixed the problem. THANKS! --!

Hi Ogar! Happy this solved :
So this was really the problems, the video were a little bit to high for the "Embedded" Mplayer mode. : /

So I think our way is to really create a easy to setup "mplayer or default media player widget"

Marcelo

[joepagiii]

import error no module named ecore
anyway to fix this i seem not to be able to use any media playng application
ill run cleanup reboot and try again i have the install logs if they may help
no joy got this from xterm
$ canola

Traceback (most recent call last):

File "/usr/bin/canola", line 18, in ?

import ecore

ImportError: No module named ecore

~ $

[handful]

joe: you have a incomplete installation.
Please do the following:

-install canola-cleanup
-run it
-remove all devel - non official repositories (or just disable them)
-install canola again

Marcelo

[joepagiii]

done all that...twice...gonna do a reboot in between for good measure only repos enabled are the one that install canola none of the media players are working...i already did a useless thread....well ill try it all again...ev thoug i have searched is there any known application that can cause this well this gorram thing is getting useless...broke the app manager...well thanks for the help...gotta go to work...ill tinker with it later...

[spice3d]

Spice3D : I think mikel is doing some heavy tests with tversity to find out the best encodings settings for each media.

Can you send the wmas for us? We still also have some genre problems so any problematic file is welcome.

Also we are debugging a lot the upnp server support it will probably improve a lot in next updates.

Marcelo

Marcelo: I emailed you an example file to your gmail email acct.

[handful]

Well joe, you for sure installed some really "alpha" app from out there that broke everything for you. In your case I would suggest a flash .

Then start over and avoid those really alpha application

Marcelo

[joepagiii]

i dont know what...maye flashing would make everthing better.....is there a way to list the installed apps...so i could well know ...which one it could be...maybe thru xterm...

[handful]

I think dpkg -l lists the installed packages :)

[joepagiii]

wow...ill have to do some cutting and pasting...and give it a look....thanks again

[genome4hire]

Hi there,

A bug in the podcast plugin from beta8 is still here with beta9.

I listen to a podcast of Democracy Now (http://www.democracynow.org/podcast.xml)

Every episode looks fine, except for thursday. Each week, Thursday's episode has a totally messed up title with strange characters.

Can you please have one of your engineers look at this?

Thanks

[handful]

Hi Genome, yes it was out, unfortunately the team is smaller, and restricted, so a lot of things were out. It's again back on the top list for podcast (this and the time that is taking to refresh the my feeds screen.

Sorry for that..

Marcelo

[anpaza]

Canola is a great piece of software, but ...

There are several things that forces me to use other media player although I'm still keeping an eye on the progress of Canola, just because it's so nice and amazingly easy to use.

One thing is that Canola sometimes (too often) shows various strange symbols instead of Cyrillic glyphs, but this problem is tracked on Canola bugtracker and I hope it will be earlier or later solved. I even plan to have a look at this since the component in question (canolad) seems open, so I can fix it myself and submit a patch.

The second problem is that Canola does not display the year of the album and the track number. I'm not even sure the tracks play in the correct order, as I don't see track numbers, and in many albums the order of the tracks plays a important role. Also, when selecting albums it's important to me to see the year of the album, since artist style ofter progresses with years, and sometimes I'd love to hear something from early creations, sometimes from later creations etc.

Of course, this is a matter of taste, so maybe it would be helpful at least to have some way for power users to change the display style for albums and track lists, a feature found in many players. Something like:

# The style for every line in the list of artists
cnl-set-prefs player artist-list-style "-= %a =-"
# The style for every line in album list
cnl-set-prefs player album-list-style "%y. %b"
# The style for every line in the track list of a single album
cnl-set-prefs player album-track-list-style "%n. %t"
# The style for every line in the global track list
cnl-set-prefs player global-track-list-style "%a - %t"
# The style for track information on the "Now Playing" screen
cnl-set-prefs player track-info-style "%n. %t\n%a\n%b"

The tags above are from EasyTag (%a - artist, %b - album, %n - track number, %t - track name, %y - year and so on) but of course this could use other format, for example %(year)s, %(artist)s and so on, Python-style.

And my latest problem with Canola is that the gap between tracks is sometimes too big. Not speaking of the fact that every self-respecting player nowadays supports a 'no-gap' playing mode, some albums contains tracks which have no pause between them, so introducing a 5-sec pause where there should be no pause at all is a kind of disappointing feature for music lovers. Perhaps this would require a change to atabake, so that it could start loading and preparing the music in advance (in a background thread), I don't know.

That's it for now. I hope you don't take this criticism as a offense, I really like Canola and I know I'm very picky about players, but I just have a grain of hope that some day Canola will be perfect enough so that I can forget about other players :-), and I hope telling my impressions/problems can help Canola become better.

[handful]

One thing is that Canola sometimes (too often) shows various strange symbols instead of Cyrillic glyphs, but this problem is tracked on Canola bugtracker and I hope it will be earlier or later solved. I even plan to have a look at this since the component in question (canolad) seems open, so I can fix it myself and submit a patch.


Hi Anpaza,

Well this was really a recurring issue, and we relied on the users sending us files to solve it, but we didn have too much of them. Also it seems that the port of python have problems still with some encondings, so we are looking even outside of canola how to solve it.

Anyhow we can use your help, if you have some files that display the symbols (those funny squares) and we will for sure do what we have been doing tireless: debug debug and try to fix it. A lot of users that complained, helped and we got good feedback from them after some updates.


The second problem is that Canola does not display the year of the album and the track number. I'm not even sure the tracks play in the correct order, as I don't see track numbers, and in many albums the order of the tracks plays a important role. Also, when selecting albums it's important to me to see the year of the album, since artist style ofter progresses with years, and sometimes I'd love to hear something from early creations, sometimes from later creations etc.


The more info we add the more cluttered the UI gets, and thats (the cluttler) something that is the basic no-go of canola. Anyhow I do think your critic is valid, as it goes along with your way of consuming your media. But after a lots of users critics in several aspects of the albums organization or missing screens this is the first time I hear that. We had a bug in the beginning that indeed prevent the album to be played in the correct sequence even if it was correctly tagged the music. If the music is correct it will play. If it not, there not miracle or software in the world that will organize it correctly by track order. That more our way, if it can be transparent then it is. If not we think 2,3,4 and wait for more users complaings (this is the ranking system for our priorities) and for example the 2 things that are asked more related to album is : group the cover arts by artist, and gapless playback for those epic/albums. So, I doing my default action, I adding this to the queue, it will be designed anyways (as it is quite fast) just to see how it goes in the screens, and if more users request it will go up in the queue.


Of course, this is a matter of taste, so maybe it would be helpful at least to have some way for power users to change the display style for albums and track lists, a feature found in many players. Something like:

Here you got to the point :) we do wanted to support everyone, but it just not possible, and so a lot of other media players support it, so the power users were covered :) but the users that we target first are not, so that why keeping the simplicity (and not falling on the KDE style : let put settings for everything ) it very important for us. But as you said, it a matter of taste, and I can assure you if you knew everything that the power users asks, like "make it window mode - because I like to fast switch without pressing the button" and others, you would know what is like to have to keep the simplicity without making everyone hate the thing. In the end, unfortunately is a matter of choosing a target user group, and listen to them first and with higher priority and then implement more suggestions as those becomes universal and not from a niche/harder-to-please-with-ui-oriented-app user group.


And my latest problem with Canola is that the gap between tracks is sometimes too big. Not speaking of the fact that every self-respecting player nowadays supports a 'no-gap' playing mode, some albums contains tracks which have no pause between them, so introducing a 5-sec pause where there should be no pause at all is a kind of disappointing feature for music lovers. Perhaps this would require a change to atabake, so that it could start loading and preparing the music in advance (in a background thread), I don't know.

Yeah, this is REALLY boring. We have done it all but the media framework + Dbus on the device is really a shortcoming for us. It really brings a "blocker". Atabake is really more like abstraction than everything else, and believed we done it all. The only thing that is closer to do it, is to port libXine, as even without atabake, simple commands to the default maemo media engine are already that delayed. With Xine, MorpheuZ was able to make the gapless playback, but with gstreamer (on the device ) no way. And I have personally confirmed with the Maintainers of gstreamer for the device within the multimedia team. Mplayer is even worse in this matter. So, we are out of luck :/ as the team is even smaller now, we need to pay our bills, so our "other" projects are now on full speed, reducing our ability of finishing porting, optimizing and give it a great shape to libXine. xmmp plugin (crossfade) also gives this ability, but we saw that this would be a burden, as it really xmmp specific.



That's it for now. I hope you don't take this criticism as a offense, I really like Canola and I know I'm very picky about players, but I just have a grain of hope that some day Canola will be perfect enough so that I can forget about other players :-), and I hope telling my impressions/problems can help Canola become better.



Don worry :) We are not that sensitive :) - kidding - I think we are totally based and really commited to listen to good and bad things. And checking out the history it has been a lot of bad things said. We listen, we design and try to solve it inside our goal, and I think we are going quite well with the "amount" of development that we can dedicate to canola. I glad that I saw your critics and thought "ok, I relief we are on those already :)" because it shows that we gave the correct amount of attention to them (a lot) and as you can imagine, A LOT of users complained about the gap between songs, the gapless playback (not much about cross fading) and we have been researching ways since beta3.

Even like that, I also like to notice that, any other player on the maemo platform will suffer from several issues like us, and I deeply believe( of course I not comparing our project done by a team with solo developers) that in a lot of aspects we are light years ahead of them, or our infrastructure is really solid to build on top of. So for now is a matter of time, a matter of finally convincing the managers to let us release it open source, and then seeing it getting valuable contributions, even better debugging (it's already quite nice) and then see it improve and improve.

But being quite honest : I don believe we will ever be able to please everyone's wish, as this has been shown itself truly impossible. But we believe that we can be a solid choice for a lot of people, as we already know because we also receive a lot of thank you mails and so on. Those (and the critics) are really the fuel, for now, like I in my house to spend my personal hours also working on this project :)

Thanks for the feedback / critics .. sorry for the long replay.. I talk too much!

:)

[Bundyo]

I have one suggestion about the Cover Arts screen:

There are some albums which are not from only one artist - i talk about OSTs and generally VA albums (Various Artists). That's bad for most of the Canola screens since it sorts the albums by album name AND artist name, but for Cover Arts section its worse - especially with big several disk VA collections.

So my question is - can you make sorting by artist an option? I personally want to sort mine only on album name.

[handful]

Hi Bundyo, yes indeed this is on our list (as some other users have requested that in the past, and we are implemeting actually this and a new grid system for the albums and photos.

Let's see if we can already place this on beta10.

Marcelo :)

[anpaza]

Well this was really a recurring issue, and we relied on the users sending us files to solve it, but we didn have too much of them. Also it seems that the port of python have problems still with some encondings, so we are looking even outside of canola how to solve it.
I already said everything I know about the problem in this ticket:

https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2066&group_id=125&atid=1989

If somebody needs more info, just ask in the ticket...

The more info we add the more cluttered the UI gets, and thats (the cluttler) something that is the basic no-go of canola.
Sure, I understand this and agree, that's why I suggested a hidden configure option (which basically won't be seen at all by regular users, but could be used, for example, by some plug-in -- so, if user installs the plugin, he knows what he's doing).

Here you got to the point :) we do wanted to support everyone, but it just not possible, and so a lot of other media players support it, so the power users were covered :)
Well, every mp3 player even with a 120x40 screen usually supports displaying the year and track number :-) And even ancient CD players display the track number, so I think this is not something to scare the Regular Joe User.

And I have personally confirmed with the Maintainers of gstreamer for the device within the multimedia team. Mplayer is even worse in this matter.
Well, look at MPD - it works in gapless mode even on Maemo, although the sound is full of clicks for some reason, at least for me.

But I generally agree, sound subsystem on N8xx is very messy... I wish it would use the normal ALSA architecture, without any emulations and quirks.

[handful]

Well,

There's ways to do (hacks) if you override the maemo media manager, but we are helping them improve instead of creating the hacks : / But we agree with you... and xmmp does the gapless with no problems :)

That's the point: we don't want to create a new media manager api for maemo, instead we want to improve the existing one, but it takes more time as it is a official api :) but we believe the devs there (we know all of them, and some of our guys were working there in the media team this year)

Marcelo

[J0ph33]

i know, this is not exactly related to beta9, but i thought, that canola2 would use an implentation of mplayer (somehow) to play videos...

today i tried to play a converted video (ratio 2,35:1) on the N810 and with mplayer it was absolutely fluently and shown in the correct ratio (with black bars on the top and the bottom), unlike canola2, which stretches the image to 16:9 and has a very slow, stuttering playback

the general micro stuttering, which appears sometimes, is also not gone...

[handful]

Joph:

This is a known (and widely discussed I think more in the youtube plugin) issue.

What happens : indeed you are right. Mplayer has 2 modes, the default (when you play on it) and the embedded mode, like canola (we ask mplayer, to play the video on our window)

But due to existing bugs, the playback and stretch only happens on the embedded mode not on the player mode. So you get less performance, and the dreaded stretch.

We already helped with the bug fix to mplayer code to this stretch issue, and it's funny but I have some devices now that do not stretch and others that do (I don't know if .27 is already with the patch, but if its not streatching for me... it's because the patch is probably there) .

So, In the end :

We are not able to "fix" those things in Canola. It's mplayer embedded mode. What we can do : help them, as we are trying to do when possible, and expecting a new release to come better.

how to workaround this :
a. for youtube playback there will be now way
b. for local video playbacks, try using lower quality encodings. The best ones that plays on the default mplayer will not play embedded.
c. If this goes lower than your expectations, you can change the video player back to the default maemo player, by editing the atabake config file (put this on the search and you will be taken to the thread teaching this)

BR

[J0ph33]

ok ok, so we have to wait for a new mplayer version...not very satisfying :(


concerning the micro stuttering, would an update of my N810 make canola work better in any way? are there known issues related to the device' version?

[handful]

Hi JOph,

No, I think this is purely software for now. Of course if there was a device with more hardware power the whole canola would benefit :)

Also: it seems, that Diablo firmware is really better, so you can try it out

Marcelo

[OVK]

Hi,

I am a user of Nokia 770, OS2006 (probably one of the last ones around, I suppose :rolleyes:). I just found Canola. This seems to be very nice app, the only problem is that it seems to be too heavy for 770: I have managed to play mp3's only a couple of times, usually the player "freezes" when it tries to play a song. The player screen appears, circle rolls for some time and then everything freezes: circle stops and buttons become unresponsive. The song title and other information are on the screen but the song length appears to be 0:00. Sometimes the device boots itself after freezing, sometimes I manage to get out of the player screen and close Canola, sometimes I have to take the battery out to close the tablet. I have just twice managed to play songs without freezing, once from internal memory and once from my 2gb mmc card.

I have installed Canola several times, both from the internet page and with Application Manager.

I suppose these problems are related to unsufficient memory on 770 ("a feature, not a bug"). This probably means that there is nothing that I could do to make Canola work on my tablet? Especially because I noted that OS2006 version is not going to be supported any more.

[handful]

OVK : well, you can take a look in the past threads about 770. Indeed is quite hard to support the 770 and even more with 2006. 2006 had several issues, that were solved in the 2007 and 2008 firmwares and to be able to support 2006 is really problematic. If you take a look in the threads you will see the list of serious bugs and how they impact on canola architecture.

What I know from the users is that the HE 2008 runs better, and you can actually run the upnp plugin on it, but being quite honest it will always be somewhat of slow :/ we are pushing too much the limits.

If the device is booting this is out of memory exception, that we couldn't even "deal" with the error, there's a process on the device that just kill it (you can see that in the system log) and it's not canola (it's the media player) But this were solved so we cannot complaing on the guys. The only thing I can help you is that : you need to setup a nice swap, and use 2008 at least.

Marcelo

[mwiktowy]

Hi Handful,

I have been meaning to track down the cause (so I can give you some meaningful feedback besides "It doesn't work, fix it!" ;]) of a bug that has been plaguing me for quite some time and I finally have.

It appears that if you have a "#" in the filename of a digital music file, it will not play in Canola if it is the first file that you start playing in an album. If you press the next track button until you get to a song that doesn't have a # in the filename, that song will start playing. Strangely enough, if you then press the previous track button, the songs that wouldn't play before, will play fine.

I duplicated this problem with another file by simply renaming the first track of an album to have a # at the end of the filename (but before the .extension) but I think that it is a problem no matter where the # is.

I also have the python traceback error that burps out if you run canola in the terminal with a -vvv flag (included some lines before and after for context):

1211841068.5427 DEBUG manager:136:get_classes_by_regexp() looking for classes with filter matching regexp 'Model/Options/Action/Player/Audio/[^/]*$'
1211841068.5978 DBG_W model:288:load() Model's do_load() is too slow: 55ms (AudioPlayerOptionsModel)
1211841070.4939 DBG_E controller:188:_error_handler() org.freedesktop.DBus.Python.atabake.lib.errors.Get MediaDetailsError: Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/dbus/service.py", line 696, in _message_cb
retval = candidate_method(self, *args, **keywords)
File "atabake/lib/player_session.py", line 435, in set_uri
File "atabake/lib/player_session.py", line 126, in create_player
File "atabake/players/oms_backend.py", line 59, in __init__
File "atabake/players/oms_backend.py", line 229, in set_uri
File "atabake/players/oms_backend.py", line 182, in get_media_details
GetMediaDetailsError: failed while getting media details: () @ File "atabake/players/oms_backend.py", line 179, in get_media_details
1211841071.7698 DBG_E controller:520:update_trackbar() Duration invalid

[joepagiii]

I did it....Had to reflash to make canola work....now how do i get the headphones louder...btw i find canola easier to use than others ive tried ,almost made for joe/jane 6 pack...thanks again

[OVK]

OVK : well, you can take a look in the past threads about 770. Indeed is quite hard to support the 770 and even more with 2006. 2006 had several issues, that were solved in the 2007 and 2008 firmwares and to be able to support 2006 is really problematic. If you take a look in the threads you will see the list of serious bugs and how they impact on canola architecture.

What I know from the users is that the HE 2008 runs better, and you can actually run the upnp plugin on it, but being quite honest it will always be somewhat of slow :/ we are pushing too much the limits.

If the device is booting this is out of memory exception, that we couldn't even "deal" with the error, there's a process on the device that just kill it (you can see that in the system log) and it's not canola (it's the media player) But this were solved so we cannot complaing on the guys. The only thing I can help you is that : you need to setup a nice swap, and use 2008 at least.

Marcelo

handful: Thanks for the reply.

I been reading these previous threads a lot (I am a new writer on this board but have been following the discussions for quite a while) and You are certainly right: OS2006 is definately not a good platform to run Canola.

I have set up the swap but unfortunately it is not helping. So I probably have to go for hacker editions to make Canola work. I just hope that I don't kill my Navicore (the most important application for me) in doing so...

Anyway, thank You all for the nice app, it is definately something that these tablets need.

[pycage]

I suppose these problems are related to unsufficient memory on 770 ("a feature, not a bug"). This probably means that there is nothing that I could do to make Canola work on my tablet? Especially because I noted that OS2006 version is not going to be supported any more.

I strongly recommend you to enable swap on your device (in the control panel -> memory). This helps against the reboots, although Canola will be rather slow then. The application is a real memory hog and even brings my N810 to its knees when running other things in parallel (I don't use swap on the N810 because it's usually not necessary). No idea what happened, because Canola 1 worked perfectly on the 770 with OS 2006.

Btw, OS 2007 HE won't kill your Navicore, but OS 2008 HE definitely does because Navicore (pre-Wayfinder) does not run on it.

[mtron]

2 feature request for canola:

i am currently using canola as streaming client for my vdr. This vdr serves the live-tv channels on the fly via an externalmux script as divx avi 400x240.

The streamdev vdr-plugin server generates a .m3u channels list of the format:

#EXTM3U
#EXTINF:0,1 arte
http://<vdr-ip>:3000/Extern/S19.2E-1-1051-28724
#EXTINF:0,2 Phoenix
http://<vdr-ip>:3000/Extern/S19.2E-1-1051-28725
#EXTINF:0,3 Das Erste
http://<vdr-ip>:3000/Extern/S19.2E-1-1101-28106
#EXTINF:0,4 ZDF
http://<vdr-ip>:3000/Extern/S19.2E-1-1079-28006
#EXTINF:0,5 3sat
http://<vdr-ip>:3000/Extern/S19.2E-1-1079-28007

canola opens the list good as "Internet Radio URL" and mlayer displays the channel 1a, so my request would be a new menu called "Internet Video" which accepts the m3u list as Internet Radio does.
The only difference: After mplayer is closed, it should not start automatically to tune to the next channel, but just go back to the channel list and wait there for the next channel selection.

This would make the life for us vdr & N800 users much easier.

The second feature request would be a EPG (feeded from xml, same as the Nokia VideoCenter accepts them) The epg can also be exported from vdr into xmltv format and loaded on the N800 video center.

Would be cool if canola could also load this "Remote EPG" as Nokia calls it in VideoCenter.

[OVK]

I strongly recommend you to enable swap on your device (in the control panel -> memory). This helps against the reboots, although Canola will be rather slow then. The application is a real memory hog and even brings my N810 to its knees when running other things in parallel (I don't use swap on the N810 because it's usually not necessary). No idea what happened, because Canola 1 worked perfectly on the 770 with OS 2006.

I have enabled swap (64mb), no help there. Maybe I should try Canola 1 instead of Canola 2 if the older version runs smoother.

Btw, OS 2007 HE won't kill your Navicore, but OS 2008 HE definitely does because Navicore (pre-Wayfinder) does not run on it.

Thanks for the advise. I think I stick to OS2006 then.

[handful]

I strongly recommend you to enable swap on your device (in the control panel -> memory). This helps against the reboots, although Canola will be rather slow then. The application is a real memory hog and even brings my N810 to its knees when running other things in parallel (I don't use swap on the N810 because it's usually not necessary). No idea what happened, because Canola 1 worked perfectly on the 770 with OS 2006.

Hi Martin, indeed we use more memory, but Canola 1 was a totally complete different application, but if we did the same amount of stuff today on Canola 1 it would heavier.

For sure Canola 1 uses less images, less animations etc, etc so if you use it on a 770 it will run smoother. But I think the swap is needed anyways on the 770, because it really helps.

For Canola2 the decision was clear, we needed to evolve :) so we choose to go beyond the capability of 770, and we pointed out in the release time that the "support" for 770 was indeed limited, and after a couple of betas we figured out that OS2006 was REALLY problematic for our architecture (heavily dependent on DBUS and pynotify for example ) so we really do think it was possible to make it "good" also on 770 :/ not lack of respect for the owners, but is more the thinking of "what can we do next"

@Mtron we were part of the development of Media Center, but unfortunately our guys are on other projects by now : / and I cannot commit ourselves to any new feature from now on. What I can do is, use one of the not-released plugins (video cast) and make it accept the feeds as you said, and rename it to internet videos. I think this would be rather nice, as new websites could be addded by feeds or m3u etc.



*we did exactly this EPG support :) so for it, I will see if I can get one of the guys that worked in the project to give some training to some students that receive scholarship from us, so they could do this as assignments on their CS courses.

@OVK : indeed, we do have some 770 running "OK" the canola2, but the playback was always a problem. Using dbus on that OS it creates a lot of problem, any different character will simply make the file unplayable, it takes ages to start embedded mode on mplayer, even more to maemo media engine to answer the dbus request (it seems that it gets really confused in the middle) taking sometimes (true: 6 minutes to start a video) it looks like it freezed the device, but actually it didn't it's waiting for the media engine to answer the dbus request. As it never happened in the canola 2 on the other devices, we didn't expected this to happen but on OS2006 is common. For pictures the problem is (ok combined with the heavy screen) is that the disk reading speed is much lower on 770.

If I manage to arrange a little bit of free time, I will set up my 770 from scratch and do some basic setup, and if it works reasonably well I will send you my setup.

@Joepaggi : did you set the master volume (outside of canola) to the maximum? click on the home (hardware button) or the square button on the n810 and click "home" than place the volume at top level, than top it on canola. If you want more than this, theres a way to increase this but it's a hack : / I would not recommed.

@mwiktowy We knew about this guy, it's actually (it was at least at the time) a Dbus problem - related to that I talked later also - and we did some fixes, but What device are you using with what firmware??? please send us the setup so we will try to reproduce it, but it was supposed not to happen on 2008 onwards.

BR guys!

Marcelo

[mtron]

What I can do is, use one of the not-released plugins (video cast) and make it accept the feeds as you said, and rename it to internet videos. I think this would be rather nice, as new websites could be addded by feeds or m3u etc.

yes, that would be great, thanks! it would be enough just to duplicate the internet radio code, change the icon & make it stop after a track.

And of course, the EPG support is not urgent. Though great News that your project might include this sometimes in future :) Are you participating in google's SOC Program?

cheers,
mtron

[mwiktowy]

@mwiktowy We knew about this guy, it's actually (it was at least at the time) a Dbus problem - related to that I talked later also - and we did some fixes, but What device are you using with what firmware??? please send us the setup so we will try to reproduce it, but it was supposed not to happen on 2008 onwards.

Marcelo: I am experiencing this on OS2008 v.2.2007.50-2 on a N810. The only major change from the standard firmware is that I have installed the beta rtcomm package.

[Modred189]

Have had no issues with Beta 9. Love it as usual.

[khalid]

Khalid, this is really odd, because one by one is the same thing.. I think one file is breaking the search : /// if we could find it it would be nice to debug.


I went through all albums one by one and found a few that did not have the album name spelled exactly the way it is spelled on amazon. For those albums, single album cover fetch simply fails. I also found a few albums for which there is no cover art available at amazon or last.fm. For those albums as well, single album cover art download simply fails. After I went through all albums one at a time, now downloading all album covers seems to be working. Earlier, it would start and pretend to complete way too quickly. Now it takes some time and prints its progress in %. I can't tell if it indeed downloaded any cover since I have already downloaded all the available ones manually.

Another problem I am noticing is canola2 sometimes takes a long time to start up. When this happens, it takes 30 seconds or longer for the canola screen to even appear. Once canola screen appears, it gets stuck at "Starting Canola" for 2-5 minutes. It will then finally switch to "Updating Media Library" and can stay there for some time (>1 minute). This problem was worse with beta8. I have left beta8 running like this for half hour before it got to main canola screen. Beta 9 just did this again. It was still stuck at "Updating Media Library" after 5 minutes of launching canola. Every time this happens, I have found that I can kill canola, start it again right away and it will start normally, i.e. I get to canola main screen in 10-15 seconds.

[pycage]

Hi Martin, indeed we use more memory, but Canola 1 was a totally complete different application, but if we did the same amount of stuff today on Canola 1 it would heavier.

For sure Canola 1 uses less images, less animations etc, etc so if you use it on a 770 it will run smoother. But I think the swap is needed anyways on the 770, because it really helps.

For Canola2 the decision was clear, we needed to evolve :) so we choose to go beyond the capability of 770, and we pointed out in the release time that the "support" for 770 was indeed limited, and after a couple of betas we figured out that OS2006 was REALLY problematic for our architecture (heavily dependent on DBUS and pynotify for example ) so we really do think it was possible to make it "good" also on 770 :/ not lack of respect for the owners, but is more the thinking of "what can we do next"


Hi Marcelo, I was just trying to look at c1 and c2 from a user's perspective. :)
Featurewise, c1 was already pretty complete and had working upnp support. I liked it a lot.
You're right that things need to evolve, but IMHO c2 became really heavy for the tablets. I like the fact that you still test your software on the 770 (I do the same with MediaBox), but maybe these tests can be used as a basis for a little more optimizations? All tablet versions can benefit from that. :)
The 770 makes you realize bottlenecks and extensive memory usage very well. And even though my 770 is almost 3 years old, I'm still using it for weather forecast and media playing (it got a nice place in the kitchen).
Just my 2 cents.

[jurop88]

@OVK

I am using no more my trusty old 770 due to a WSOD, but no problem with Navicore/Wayfinder. You can use the same original key for both apps, just unregister Navicore before flashing the tablet.
I used Wayfinder in OS2008 before going back to OS2007 (for Gene Cash's apps) without problems on my N800, after been having used regularly Navicore on OS2007HE on the 770

@Handful
thx for the great app. Sometimes my girlfriend succeed in crashing Canola (she uses it a lot more than me) but until now I never had suuccess in reproducing some bugs...

[handful]

Hi Marcelo, I was just trying to look at c1 and c2 from a user's perspective.
Featurewise, c1 was already pretty complete and had working upnp support. I liked it a lot.
You're right that things need to evolve, but IMHO c2 became really heavy for the tablets. I like the fact that you still test your software on the 770 (I do the same with MediaBox), but maybe these tests can be used as a basis for a little more optimizations? All tablet versions can benefit from that.
The 770 makes you realize bottlenecks and extensive memory usage very well. And even though my 770 is almost 3 years old, I'm still using it for weather forecast and media playing (it got a nice place in the kitchen).
Just my 2 cents.

@Pycage yeah dude, you are right. We had the "felling" that canola2 was going to be heavy, and actually a lot of UI was cut to make it faster. We know how to improve some of the biggest bottlenecks and that's our focus now :) I'm "refusing" any new version (going to do them only with students) and focusing on optimizations in several areas.

For example: SimpleGrid will finally come. We indeed choosed the comestic way of the proportional thumbs but them the perfomance price is too high. Now that we did "all" planned features (ok, missing fm radio and the video podcast - both ready just needing final tweaks) our focus would be on running several optmizations in several fronts:

a. Simple GRID : faster scroll for pictures (2 rows only) faster loading of less thumbnails etc

b. A full test-suite for light media scanner, to make sure a lot of test is done with a huge user-contributed database of files from everywhere (so we don't face problems with encondings etc

c. LibXine : this backend would allow us to : improve the speed between tracks, do a real gapless playback and even cross-fade for music / audio. Of course this would cost something for the user, so an easy easy way to switch etc.

d. Atabake (the media engine), there's a couple of things that we know we can improve now with less risk. The time constraint is to make sure the 770 problems are simple to workaround also. also to reduce loading time between 2 files in media engine (we did a lot of suggestion to the maemo theme, we are specting a lot of good news)

e. Upnp : this needs no explanation :)

f. podcast : improve parser speed (specially in all feeds screen) and of course optimize memory usage in the download manager

g. Several speed improvements on EDJE/EVAS bindings etc, for example we found out that we can speed up even more the loading time, do some caching for the theme improvements, some improvements on the lazy lists, scrolling was already improved, but still need work (how to draw less ) ?

h. more and more refactoring in several places that now can be done better :)

j. Some improvements on user feedback (make the screen more responsive on really heavy actions : like downloading 10k list from upnp)

So, I think we planned a little later (we thought that the n810 would be better hardware) in this caught us by surprise (same hardware, same tearing) but as you probably know we are a company, and canola was a great experiment and the "money" we get from the users is the experience, to understand what we can / cannot do and how fast (dev time) so we use Canola's framework for several projects and for this (not the canola UI) it has shown extremely successful, so much that we were able to keep working on canola with a (flexible in size) but reasonable good amount of people.

we were surprised by how the UI things run on the 770 (actually a lot better than in the n800 because no tearing) but the other bootlenecks are more related to really older dbus versions (we have versions with custom dbus etc that runs really better) but things like (memory access - that you probably suffered a lot like us - ) are really sad : / but we need to deal with that right : )

The problem was more things like : based on users feedback on Canola1, we knew that they wanted more than we could do with a simple sdl application :) so we paid the price not for the eye candy, but for flexibility.

I will now pray for a better hardware :)))))))))) but, if this comes we will not "jump" and do a canola3 doing the same kind of "experimental evolution". We will keep it more or less like it is, just improve the framework stability / API.

Thanks for the time you took to write to us :)

Marcelo

[handful]

Hi Kalid :

We will try to setup a library with files like you described (wrong name for artists) but this is really hard (of course we can try to do a "did you mean" thing, but without a database it's REALLY complicated. We are not a search engine like google to be able to suggest, and if amazon doesn't it's complicated for us.

Anyhow it's quite strange that it found it when downloading 1 by 1. I will ask again, to see if we can change the % for the actual album that is trying to find the cover. I think it probably has different time outs when its complete download and single-album downloading, and this "fallback" make it work.

Also, if you don't have the covers from download... you can always save the file. Anyways, I placed as student project the creation of more "sources" or regional sources. I think for exampel a google image source can help.

But it's indeed far from perfect : / Can you please do testing with other media applications that downloads the cover? to see if it's a canola mistake or the default return from the used sources (amazon or last. fm ) ?

About the startup, can you help us with more data?

a. Do you have big cards? the updating media library, can easily take the 1 minute if you have more than 8gigas. We are actually not "scanning" for files but just making sure that all the files on the library are actually there. I asked the devs.. to add an option to remove that, but you will face "errors" file not found if you don't refresh your library after some change (this makes things more manual) but indeed speed up quite nicely the boot time.

I have a couple of devices, I didn't faced this slows down on loading, even more on the 2008 devices. It can be that one file may be "hooking" the lms, :/ we need to investigate : /

I think this "incosistency load lazyness" can be that in the other time canola is not trying to scan again.. but if you help us reproduce it this is something we would really like to find and fix the error.

@mwiktowy

then it's a bug :/ we will investigate


@ mtron

No, Canola2 is not opensource :) but we indeed are mentoring a couple of projects related to BlueZ (the bluetooth stack for linux) because some of our developers are key developers on blueZ and 4 or 5 students are being mentored by us :)

Br

Marcelo

[pycage]

@handful
Wow, that was a good insight into development. :)
Indeed, memory consumption is my biggest trouble, but its an exciting challenge.
I'm looking forward to your libxine bindings.

[FGol]

Hi -

I don't think I saw this anywhere but the stand alone video thumbnail app seemed to grab frames well into videos that made for interesting thumbnaails. The plug-in seems to grab frames very early in the video so they are often showing something from the credits or studio icon. In the case of multiple episodes of a TV series, all of the thumbnails look the same, that is they're not differentiated like they had been in the stand alone.

Not a big deal. Not a bug. Just an observation.

Thank you,
Frank

[handful]

@FGol, I think the code is the same (it generates a random number from 15-X and then grabs one frame in this space ..
.
but do the following when playing the video, press options, save thumbnail in the frame that you prefer. I think sometimes the menu passes behind the video but the video will be paused anyway :)

Hope this helps!

Marcelo

[FGol]

@FGol, I think the code is the same (it generates a random number from 15-X and then grabs one frame in this space ..
.
but do the following when playing the video, press options, save thumbnail in the frame that you prefer. I think sometimes the menu passes behind the video but the video will be paused anyway :)

Hope this helps!

Marcelo

Outstanding :) Thank you!

Frank

[spice3d]

Marcelo:

It would be helpful if there was a sticky post of improvements we will likely see in the final version. Maybe ordered from likely to less likely.

I've borrowed my friend's iPod Touch to see what features it has that I would want in Canola. There are really only two Touch features I would really like to have in Canola: 1) A-Z slider on the Artist, Album, Cover Art and Songs list; and 2) Cover art thumbnail on the Album list.

Any chance we'll see these two features in the final release?

[khalid]

Hi Kalid :

We will try to setup a library with files like you described (wrong name for artists) but this is really hard (of course we can try to do a "did you mean" thing, but without a database it's REALLY complicated. We are not a search engine like google to be able to suggest, and if amazon doesn't it's complicated for us.

Anyhow it's quite strange that it found it when downloading 1 by 1. I will ask again, to see if we can change the % for the actual album that is trying to find the cover. I think it probably has different time outs when its complete download and single-album downloading, and this "fallback" make it work.

Also, if you don't have the covers from download... you can always save the file. Anyways, I placed as student project the creation of more "sources" or regional sources. I think for exampel a google image source can help.

But it's indeed far from perfect : / Can you please do testing with other media applications that downloads the cover? to see if it's a canola mistake or the default return from the used sources (amazon or last. fm ) ?


Hi Marcelo,

I wouldn't consider it a bug if canola fails to find a cover because of slight misspelling in ID3 tags or because the sources it uses for cover download do not happen to have cover art for some albums. A failure to download cover would be the expected behavior. Just that the failure to find covers for a few albums should not stop it from downloading covert art for albums it indeed can find cover art for. I tried Kagu. Kagu failed to download most covers but it did not hang. I must say I haven't had good luck downloading cover art with kagu before. I added another album for which I verified that cover art exists on last.fm. I then went through Settings -> Media Library -> Cover arts and thumbnails - > Update cover arts, and it did download cover for this one album. So it seems since I updated cover art one by one for all albums, update cover art for all albums seems to be working better.


About the startup, can you help us with more data?

a. Do you have big cards? the updating media library, can easily take the 1 minute if you have more than 8gigas. We are actually not "scanning" for files but just making sure that all the files on the library are actually there. I asked the devs.. to add an option to remove that, but you will face "errors" file not found if you don't refresh your library after some change (this makes things more manual) but indeed speed up quite nicely the boot time.


I have two 8GB cards. Normal startup time for canola is typically 3-5 seconds which is plenty fast. This morning it hung again at "Updating media library". I finally killed it after 40 minutes of being hung in that state. The little rotating circle showing activity was still going after 40 minutes. Since canola does start up in 3-5 seconds most of the time for me, I am guessing it is not the card size issue.


I think this "incosistency load lazyness" can be that in the other time canola is not trying to scan again.. but if you help us reproduce it this is something we would really like to find and fix the error.


Let me know what I can do to help. In case one of the other libraries I might have installed might be causing a problem here, I can try removing folders one at a time to see if removing a folder causes the problem to go away. Since this problem is intermittent, it might take a while to determine if removing a folder did indeed cause the problem to go away. I can also look into putting together an SD card with my current music on it and if that SD card is enough to reproduce the problem, I can send it to you, although I have a suspicion it is my environment that is causing the problem as opposed to my mp3 files., considering no one else has complained about it :)

[christianoliff]

Hello. The only feature I'd like to see is support for M4A. (mpeg4 audio). I have lots of iTunes Plus music (no DRM) and Canola doesn't see the files. The built-in standard media player of my n800 (os2008) plays them 100% fine.

[handful]

Hi christian, indeed, we are taking a look in how to implement it safely on canola. indeed the media player can do it, but it seems that we faced some problems in beta6 with support to it, removed to make it better. There's a couple of issues we are trying to figure out how to solve.

Marcelo

[mwiktowy]

Another problem I am noticing is canola2 sometimes takes a long time to start up. When this happens, it takes 30 seconds or longer for the canola screen to even appear. Once canola screen appears, it gets stuck at "Starting Canola" for 2-5 minutes. It will then finally switch to "Updating Media Library" and can stay there for some time (>1 minute). This problem was worse with beta8. I have left beta8 running like this for half hour before it got to main canola screen. Beta 9 just did this again. It was still stuck at "Updating Media Library" after 5 minutes of launching canola. Every time this happens, I have found that I can kill canola, start it again right away and it will start normally, i.e. I get to canola main screen in 10-15 seconds.

I am now experiencing that *exact* same problem.

I wasn't before and the only thing I did was try the audio boost hack by:
editing ~/.atabake/config
- correct the "mplayer = mplayer" line to "video = mplayer"
- changed "audio = oms" to "audio = mplayer"
and
editing ~/.mplayer/config
- add the line "af=volume=12:0" to boost my volume by 12 dB.


Aside: OK ... I had to back the gain way down to 3dB and turned on the clipping compensation to listen to some mp3s that I have without my ears bleeding. I suspect they were normalized to 100% or may contain some distortion that turning up the gain just makes worse/noticable.

[nilchak]

OK, this is a feature request - not a bug report.

On our long trip to Maine, I downloaded some Childrens videos and nursery rhymes for our daughter from Youtube. This kept her company very well on the long road trips. Thanks to Canola.

And now, my 3 1/2 year old daughter knows how to operate Canola too - she knows for her Baa Baa Black sheep and other rhymes, she has to select YouTube option and for her audio music she goes to Audio option (she amazes me with her tech savvyness - or Canola savvyness I should say).

On the You tube -> Local Videos option she did scroll around and play her stored videos, but the Tash bin icon and the bright red "DELETE" button attacts here a lot and she pressed the delete option quite a few times only to find her favourite Youtube downloads gone from the menu.

I had to pull the car over and stop to calm her down when she started screaming after not finding her videos (and at the next wifi spot in town had to redownload some of them).

So here is my suggestions to Canola team - can there be a option for locking the delete button so that there is no accidental delete ?
I know, I am asking for options which are not really needed but only for making Canola child proof.

But Kudos to Canola for being so intuitive and simple a UI even for a 3 1/2 year old.

[handful]

Wow dude :)
We got so happy about this, that I will personally find a way to do that for you :)
First i will ask the guys if there's a option :) but... there's a good thing. If you download only youtube videos. put them on one memory card, they will appear on the My Videos with no delete buttons :) so you will be safe. The only draw back is that the name of the video will be the youtube Hash, but the thumbnail will be there, (and your kid is 3 so please don;'t tell me that she reads already because I will know that she is a genius and is going to make her own canola before being 7yold :)))) )

So my guide for you :

a. Select your download folders on the internet media settings (the memory card you will use for that, if there's more videos for her place them there)

b. download the youtube videos

c. Go to settings, media library and make sure the CARD (not any internal folder) is selected, the videos will be parsed and addded to the local video sections.

d. Refresh the media library!

Voila now you will need to convice her to use the MY VIDEOS
instead of youtube (I think the White icon will get more attention from her as she is used to that :)

Also another tip : as she will use the thumbs more than anyone else, you can start the playback from the my videos options and in the non-fullscreen playback hit options when there's a good screen to save it as thumbnail for the video to make it quite clear for her what video or kind it is... This will avoid any " black thumbnailed" video on the real videos.

Hope you like this,

And I am so HAPPY with the feedback :) if you (don't need to show her face only her hands) could videotap her using that we from the team would gladly accept this as the best payment ever :))))))

[sashabe]

hi , thanks to the team of Canola for this wonderful app;)
Though it behaves stable (beta 9 on N810), there's one annoyning issue i've noticed, sound stutters a lot when using Canola's audio player in background, ie when browsing. Would it be possible to make music flow more stable, like default Media player? Now Canola reacts on every CPU load:(

[handful]

Hi Shasha.. can you take a look if there's other applications also fighting for cpu? Indeed canola is cpu intensive, but when it's on the background it shouldn't be that heavy. Are you listening to some kind of audio that is using media player instead of default media player?

Can you try modifying atabake config to use OMS instead of mplayer. this reduces the load as the default player usually is lighter then playing mplayer.

Also : what kind of audio files are you listening to?

Marcelo

[spice3d]

Marcelo:

I get this stuttering when listening to WMAs and going through the Canola interface. No problems when playing MP3s. WMA decoding must be more CPU intensive.

hi , thanks to the team of Canola for this wonderful app;)
Though it behaves stable (beta 9 on N810), there's one annoyning issue i've noticed, sound stutters a lot when using Canola's audio player in background, ie when browsing. Would it be possible to make music flow more stable, like default Media player? Now Canola reacts on every CPU load:(

[talmage]

I want the Canola team to know that I bought an N800 just so I could run Canola and Maemo Mapper. I put two 16GB SD cards in mine and gave my 30GB iPod With Video (the 5.5 generation one) to my sister.

I'm impressed by the steady progress that the team has made in bringing Canola to the public. I'll be thrilled when the gapless playback and UPnP controller features are working!

Keep up the good work!

[YoDude]

Since this is the 12th page of this thread, forgive me if this has been mentioned before. :)

I have been happily using the LastFM plug-in and noticed that Canola does not initiate an Internet connection when one is required.

Also. scrobling is very intriguing to me and works well with LastFM. Can this technology be incorporated with-in Canola?
That is, with large SDHC cards available I find that the music I now carry to be an eclectic mix of over a 1,000 tunes. There are times when I want mellow and times when I want head bangin' music, and still other times when I might just want to listen to instrumentals.

Perhaps having Canola decide what to play randomly based on the style of your first selection would be a desirable feature.

[mwiktowy]

editing ~/.atabake/config
- correct the "mplayer = mplayer" line to "video = mplayer"
- changed "audio = oms" to "audio = mplayer"


I haad to change this back as my new ogg files put on my N810 were not getting indexed by Canola anymore. The existing ones played fine but I could not add new files.

Switching back to oms solved the issue.

[handful]

Hi Talimage :

Well, we really wished gapless playback was just a matter of tweaks here and there, but it's quite complicated to get to work with the platform components. But this is by far one top priority, the problem is that is not a simple job (so I need a very experienced developer to do so) and I am here in a new city to see if I can get that person in :))

YoDude: We do not initiate, this is true. We indeed try to keep Canola not too tied to the platform, and also do not go against the rules too much in this " system important" matters. So, we do not mess with the connection manager. as we do not have an way of connect inside canola, to show the connection on top of canola makes the same sense but I think your point is really valid and now is possible that we implement it.

Scrobbling ? It's there dude : scrobbling is the act of sending the musics you have listened to. You can turn on and off.

About the " style " this is due to last.fm large database of other kind of data... tags that we don't have, and making users do it manually is impossible (that's why last.fm is nice because it's great on get users feedback on some musics and gather this data together. This can be studied as a plugin!

Marcelo

[crox]

Firstly I would like to thank the Canola team for bringing such a brilliant application to the tablet. Canola makes frequent appearances on my N800 and I often wonder how clunkie life was before I installed it.

Now my question, an easy one, but one which I cannot find the answer to in any forums.

Bookmarking videos within the YouTube add-in - how can this be done?

I see no interface to allow a playing video to be selected and added to the 'Bookmarks" menu.

Your advice please.

Thanks,
Alan

[OVK]

If I manage to arrange a little bit of free time, I will set up my 770 from scratch and do some basic setup, and if it works reasonably well I will send you my setup.


For some reason I had totally skipped this message.

It would be really nice if you have time to do that. Thank you in advance!

[nilchak]

Wow dude :)
We got so happy about this, that I will personally find a way to do that for you :)
First i will ask the guys if there's a option :) but... there's a good thing. If you download only youtube videos. put them on one memory card, they will appear on the My Videos with no delete buttons :) so you will be safe. The only draw back is that the name of the video will be the youtube Hash, but the thumbnail will be there, (and your kid is 3 so please don;'t tell me that she reads already because I will know that she is a genius and is going to make her own canola before being 7yold :)))) )

So my guide for you :
..........
..........

And I am so HAPPY with the feedback :) if you (don't need to show her face only her hands) could videotap her using that we from the team would gladly accept this as the best payment ever :))))))

Hi Marcello and Canola Team,

a Big thanks to you guys for the excellent application. And certainly my daughter is a most happy camper with Canola :)

Thanks for the tips, I will try guiding her away from the You-tube to the My Videos icon. In fact she know YouTube so well, that she actually when clicking on the C2 Icon in simple Launcher (she know which icon to start canola too) calls it as "YouToo". Canola is synonymous with YouTube to her.

And, no she can't read, but I do hope she will build her own Canola when she is 10 years - thanks for your good wishes - may you live long :D )

Will try getting a video of her using Canola (every evening she has to have her quota of a bit of "YouToo" on her mom's N800).

[handful]

Alan : in the playing screen (not fullscreen) you have a button on the lower right. This button is a contextual "Options" button, that brings all other commands related to that item in focus (in this case the video you are playing) so if you click there you will find:

- save this video
- bookmark this video

Then after this you are able to go to your bookmarks on the youtube plugin main menu and see your videos that were bookmarked and play them from there.

BR

Marcelo

[crox]

Thanks for sharing this information Marcelo, I had seen this context sensitive feature displayed on an on-line demo but for an earlier version. My version, beta 9, does not have the bookmark icon present, indeed I notice it doesn't have the 'return' icon in the bottom left corner also!

Perhaps a broken install?

Your thoughts and guidance please.

Regards,
Alan

[handful]

Yes, it can be that something is not loading correctly. Because you need to have at least the button back (or return) always there : /

If you restart.. it always come without the icons on the bottom? and nothing changes if you change themes?

Also try the following : can you go to the youtube playback window of any video.. and press the right bottom corner?

Marcelo

[crox]

Thanks for sticking with me Marcelo. No buttons in eithher bottom corner. Also pointing in either corner changes nothing. I navigate between screens using the 'return' button on the n800 pad.

Do you want me to try anythhing else for your diagnostic needs or shall I remove and re-install?

Cheers,
Alan

[wsiebert]

Suggestions from a user who prefers audiobooks to music:

1. Support for Audible's proprietary .aa files (they may demand that you purchase a license.)

2. The ability to stop play of a file in the middle and pick it up at a later time.

[Laughing Man]

Hmm I still don't understand why canola can't read my id3 tags sometimes (what does it use?). It also seems to duplicate the album in the album arts and album sometimes. For example right now..

Danity Kane
Dark Light
Dark Passion Play
Dark Passion Play
Dark Passion Play
Dark Passion Play
Dark Passion Play
(so on for how many times there are a song in this album)
then it goes onto the next album (some are fine)

then it does it again for another album with how many listings being how many songs it has

It's really really annoying. >.<

Edit:

So I'm messing around with the afflicted files with my mp3 tagging tools and noticing they have different tags sometimes (like id3v1 id3v2). So I cleaned them up and standardized them and it seems the problem is going away.

Now to figure out why the music programs aren't recognizing my folder.jpg or folder.jpeg in each music folder >.<. Could it be because they're to big? 500x500?

[handful]

Hmm I still don't understand why canola can't read my id3 tags sometimes (what does it use?). It also seems to duplicate the album in the album arts and album sometimes. For example right now..

Danity Kane
Dark Light
Dark Passion Play
Dark Passion Play
Dark Passion Play
Dark Passion Play
Dark Passion Play
(so on for how many times there are a song in this album)
then it goes onto the next album (some are fine)

then it does it again for another album with how many listings being how many songs it has

It's really really annoying. >.<

Edit:

So I'm messing around with the afflicted files with my mp3 tagging tools and noticing they have different tags sometimes (like id3v1 id3v2). So I cleaned them up and standardized them and it seems the problem is going away.

Now to figure out why the music programs aren't recognizing my folder.jpg or folder.jpeg in each music folder >.<. Could it be because they're to big? 500x500?

Launghing, Canola tries (have been improving since beta 1) to support most of id3Tags, but it's quite hard to support all formats (there are differentes, in genres, etc) and we think we are at least a lot better than beta7 and backwards. So , if you still have the files.. it would be of great use to detect the problems in them. BUT the album art duplication is a choice of us for somethings and to avoid the extra cases with placed the settings : combine multiple art options, that merge duplicated albums like your case.

BR

Marcelo

[Laughing Man]

It's not that they're various artists on a single album (say a movie soundtrack). It's the same artist from the same album they produced. (like Weezer and Weezer (The Green Album..which they have three albums named Weezer which gets real annoying). I understand what you mean since I do have movie albums that I have combined using what you described.

Unfortuantely I fixed the problematic songs already, but the next time I load songs onto my tablet that I find does this, I'll be sure to send a sample to you to see what's the issue. :D

I'm certain it's a tag issue since the problem gone away after I updated the tags in the programs I use (the program also auto deletes existing tags) to make sure it's clean. When I tried looking for the differences among the affected albums I couldn't see anything significant so maybe you can find something I missed. :)

[Lee]

I've noticed that my Canola performance has significantly dropped after installing a few applications and some times videos lock up (when I use MPlayer directly it doesn't have these problems), I'm not sure which application did it, but it may be related to python. I notice though that after running Canola also, that performance of my entire system is bogged down, and that python is running the background.

When I get a chance I'll have to uninstall a bunch of applications and see which one degraded Canolas performance.

[handful]

Lee : The mplayer outside canola (pure mplayer) is indeed faster than any other mplayer playback "inside" application (and I mean really inside : embedded mode). So the playback will be worse in canola because we use that mode. We are trying to get another ffmpeg based back end, but it's not as simple as it may sound to get something with the same performance as mplayer.

About the bogus, yes indeed it may be something you installed that is also eating CPU and competing with canola for that. So, can you run canola over SSH? try doing a top (It won't show too much, but at least you will be able to see the other application eating the cpu at the same time. We sometimes believe it can be the crawler as it is really processor intensive and when things go wrong (some corrupted file etc) it can hook the cpu and affect the system performance.

Canola is a python application, so you will always find python on the background, but another python application can be effecting, or also not killing the possibility you've just found a scenario where canola is bringing itself down also.

See if you can send us more info on how to reproduce and we will hunt this bug down!

Marcelo

[grog]

I've just started playing with cover art so please forgive me if this has been dealt with before. According to this past post (http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=183767&postcount=27), I should be able to put a cover.jpg file in each album's folder & Canola should pick it up, but it doesn't. Here's a listing of my currently loaded music folders & the cover files:

/media/mmc1/Music $ find . -name cover.jpg
./Alan Parsons Project/1977 - I Robot/cover.jpg
./Dire Straits - Discography/cover.jpg
./Chris De Burgh - Discography/1997 The Love Songs/cover.jpg
./The Doors/The Doors - Other Voices/cover.jpg
./Deep Purple - Complete Discography/1972 - Deep Purple - Made In Japan/cover.jpg
./Deep Purple - Complete Discography/1974 - Deep Purple - Burn/cover.jpg
./Deep Purple - Complete Discography/1984 - Deep Purple - Perfect Strangers/cover.jpg
./The Who/1969 - Tommy/cover.jpg
./The Who/1994 - 30 Years of Maximum R&B/CD 2/cover.jpg
./Elton John - Discography 1969-2004/cover.jpg
./Fleetwood Mac - Discography/1995 - Fleetwood Mac - Time/cover.jpg
./Eagles Discography/( 1985 ) The Best Of/cover.jpg
./The Police - Discography/1993 - Message In A Box - The Complete recordings [Box Set] [4 CDs]/CD3/cover.jpg
./Yes - Discography/04 - Fragile [Remastered & Expanded] (1972)/cover.jpg
./Bob Dylan Discography Pack1/1985 - Biography/Disc 2/cover.jpg
./Bob Seger - Discography Studio & Live Albums 1968 - 2006/1981 Nine Tonight/cover.jpg
./Bob Seger - Discography Studio & Live Albums 1968 - 2006/1986 Like A Rock/cover.jpg
./Bob Seger - Discography Studio & Live Albums 1968 - 2006/1975 Beautiful Loser/cover.jpg
Canola plays the music fine but doesn't display the covers. I installed Canola Tuning (http://openbossa.indt.org.br/canola2/install_files/canola-tuning.install), but Canola then just downloads & saves cover.jpg files in it's own ~/.canola/covers directory. I just want Canola to display the cover if I've supplied it. is this not the way it's supposed to work or do I misunderstand something? TX

[handful]

I've just started playing with cover art so please forgive me if this has been dealt with before. According to this past post (http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=183767&postcount=27), I should be able to put a cover.jpg file in each album's folder & Canola should pick it up, but it doesn't. Here's a listing of my currently loaded music folders & the cover files:

/media/mmc1/Music $ find . -name cover.jpg
./Alan Parsons Project/1977 - I Robot/cover.jpg
./Dire Straits - Discography/cover.jpg
./Chris De Burgh - Discography/1997 The Love Songs/cover.jpg
./The Doors/The Doors - Other Voices/cover.jpg
./Deep Purple - Complete Discography/1972 - Deep Purple - Made In Japan/cover.jpg
./Deep Purple - Complete Discography/1974 - Deep Purple - Burn/cover.jpg
./Deep Purple - Complete Discography/1984 - Deep Purple - Perfect Strangers/cover.jpg
./The Who/1969 - Tommy/cover.jpg
./The Who/1994 - 30 Years of Maximum R&B/CD 2/cover.jpg
./Elton John - Discography 1969-2004/cover.jpg
./Fleetwood Mac - Discography/1995 - Fleetwood Mac - Time/cover.jpg
./Eagles Discography/( 1985 ) The Best Of/cover.jpg
./The Police - Discography/1993 - Message In A Box - The Complete recordings [Box Set] [4 CDs]/CD3/cover.jpg
./Yes - Discography/04 - Fragile [Remastered & Expanded] (1972)/cover.jpg
./Bob Dylan Discography Pack1/1985 - Biography/Disc 2/cover.jpg
./Bob Seger - Discography Studio & Live Albums 1968 - 2006/1981 Nine Tonight/cover.jpg
./Bob Seger - Discography Studio & Live Albums 1968 - 2006/1986 Like A Rock/cover.jpg
./Bob Seger - Discography Studio & Live Albums 1968 - 2006/1975 Beautiful Loser/cover.jpg
Canola plays the music fine but doesn't display the covers. I installed Canola Tuning (http://openbossa.indt.org.br/canola2/install_files/canola-tuning.install), but Canola then just downloads & saves cover.jpg files in it's own ~/.canola/covers directory. I just want Canola to display the cover if I've supplied it. is this not the way it's supposed to work or do I misunderstand something? TX

Hi, its supposed to work that way. Try seeing if you covers are inside the cover file (for selection) go to the 3-screen (big cover) view, and click on the cover. you will be presented. If you have cover in all your folders, go to settings and set the covers sources to only local covers.

Marcelo

[grog]

Hi, its supposed to work that way. Try seeing if you covers are inside the cover file (for selection) go to the 3-screen (big cover) view, and click on the cover. you will be presented. If you have cover in all your folders, go to settings and set the covers sources to only local covers.
If I understand correctly, I have to have cover art in every folder for any one of them to be used? And do I have to manually tell Canola to rescan for covers each time I start it up? I was hoping that if I had cover.jpg files in only half of my albums, for example, then they at least would be automatically be detected & displayed. I've tried setting Canola to only scan for local covers, but it still takes a looonnnggg time to scan & still doesn't seem to use the ones I already have. tx

[superleon]

I use the newest version of canola on my n800. I try to use canola to play the flac files on my 8G transcend sdhc card. Most of the files can be found and played. But the files in two folder cannot be found by canola while the folder shown. Is it a bug of canola?

[handful]

If I understand correctly, I have to have cover art in every folder for any one of them to be used? And do I have to manually tell Canola to rescan for covers each time I start it up? I was hoping that if I had cover.jpg files in only half of my albums, for example, then they at least would be automatically be detected & displayed. I've tried setting Canola to only scan for local covers, but it still takes a looonnnggg time to scan & still doesn't seem to use the ones I already have. tx
__________________

Hi again!

Well, the plugin is integrated but not automatically called yet. We want to do this, but this is scheduled for the "wizard" that we always planned to have but we needed to make sure everything is working. When the wizard is working, after installing, you choose the folders, it asks if you want to download / search covers, generate thumbnails etc... But for now, you need to install canola-tuning (plugin is the better option than the standalone version) and then run it from the settings.

You just need to run it once, and if you add / modify too much your library then it would be needed to run it again (it's not automaticaly, also to avoid problems for now) but should be in the future.

About the cover art : Canola uses the regular approach ; if you have a folder (album) that has mp3's on it, canola tuning will look for the cover.jpg IN that folder and do what is needed to use it as cover (resize, do the 2size of covers etc)

If you added just one music.. you can go straight to that album and pickup a cover or downoad covers just for that song on the 3-album art screen.

If it's not seeing the covers, something is breaking the script. If you can try lowering the number of folders (try "watching" one folder at time) and see if canola can see it... it's highly probable that you found a bug on the tuning, then we need to find out what inside some of your folder is breaking the script :)

But looking at your data: 2 8giga bytes card it's a lot of space / possible a lot of music...

can you provide us than the details after you scan just one or 2 folders? then send one or 2 mp3s + the jpg? then we can add to our test suite and fortunately find and fix the bug with this help from you!

@superleon

I use the newest version of canola on my n800. I try to use canola to play the flac files on my 8G transcend sdhc card. Most of the files can be found and played. But the files in two folder cannot be found by canola while the folder shown. Is it a bug of canola?

Hi Leon, maybe it's a bug, but also there's a possibility that some of this files are in a FLAC version that we don't support : / can you provide the files that are not found for us? you can send to my email : handful AT gmail.com then I wll gladly place them in our testing library, and if the bug shows up we can fix it!

Marcelo

[Jayayess1190]

I would just like to say that I really like Canola 2. The youtube plugin, album art, skins, and everything else are great. Thanks for making it!

[josiahg777]

Hey Handful :)

Thanks again for an amazing app, I'm really appreciating Canola more than ever after spending over 30 hours in the car the past week!

A quick search didn't turn anything up on this, so I've got a feature/hack request,

Would it be possible for you to add

/media/usb/

to the list of folders you can ask canola to watch for media?
or if this is too user-specific (I might be the only one out here who plays movies/media off a usb stick) could you point me to a config file where I can add this?

Thank you!!
Josiah

[handful]

Hi Guys,

in behalf of the team, thanks for the nice words. I think indeed usb is really high on our priority, so I will push it as much as I can to add this in the next beta!

:)

[nikolajhendel]

Hi
I really tried to stay off the N8x0 versions, as I thought I was strong enough to wait for the next major release (and be able to live with my underpowered N770).
Well - Canola (and the UPNP plugin) made me realize that I "needed" a N8x0 - so I bought one 2 weeks ago on ebay, and what a thrill.

First thing I installed was Canola2 - and since I was about to go on a trip, I loaded an 8gb sd card with movies and music. In that process I found a few bugs:
Setup:
I put 35 albums (3,2 gb) and 10 short movies in xvid+mp3 format (240 mb) onto the sd card. Every mp3 has embedded cover art + folder.jpg image in each album folder.

1: [bug] Running the "cover arts and thumbnails" import imported about 80% of the covers - but for some odd reason some of the albums didn't get any cover art. I tried to unload all music on the sd card, and only put back the folders/albums that didn't work in the first run - and the second time, these covers were imported without a problem. It seems the cover art importer chokes when the "list is too long" (on a side note I am puzzled that canola2 wants to re import album art...)

2: [bug] Tried to play videos - but only got a blank screen. Tried to read documentation + website, but I could find no direct info about mplayer being bundled or not. Tried to install mplayer and restart canola - still nothing. Read some more, and learned that canola automatically switches to mplayer if it is installed. Rebooted the N800 - and voila - canola played the xvid videos fine.
It seems that canola doesn't look for mplayer installation on the fly - but only after reboot.

3: [bug] After canola had imported the mp3 info, there was a typing error in one of the names, resulting in two entries. I could not recreate this on the original files, as the "Artist" tag was the same. After some poking, I found out that the "Band" tag was wrong in some of the mp3 files - and it seems that canola2 uses the band tag for artist. This might be what you want - but would be nice to write this somewhere, so users are aware...

4: [bug] After the initial load of files, I wanted to reorganize the folder structure on the sd card. I did this, and went into settings in canola to change the media folders. Every time I tried to change the watch folder, canola set it back to the old folder. After a reboot canola had switched to the correct folder.

5: [suggestion] The thumbnail creator for videos uses a fixed ms for doing a screenshot. The videos I brought was the Pixar short movies - so I mostly ended up with either a black screen or the Pixar "logo". I think the option to create thumbnails is cool - but would be nice if the thumbnail creator either had a variable (longer) ms count before it took a screenshot - or that it presented the user with fx. 4 different images for each movie that you could choose from.

6: [suggestion] Playlist support would be nice - could be done with a button that switches between play and add mode. That of course brings up the whole backend needed to support playlists....

That's it for now - an amazing piece of software !

[handful]

nikolajhendel

Hi! thanks for the very long feedback, and great detail on some actions.
indeed we received most of this bugs, and some of them are quite complicated because they deal with fully reload. Those may take a little more to " refresh " platform stuff. Mplayer embedded mode also has it's flaws, but this is a good tip and we will investigate more. A wizard is also need to improve the first usage experience.

The album covers, as you reloads, probably if you already have covers it will pass forward to the others, but as you said it's probably choking.. but in some file, because we do have 8 giga byte based media library for tests (with all kinds of files, from all countries etc) and it's going "ok". So we need to find out problematic files that triggers the bugs so we can fix it.

the number 4 is indeed true, we are working on this, trying to make a "hard" refresh, but it's also not as simple as we tought it would be. Nothing that cannot be fixed :) just needs time.

5: the thumbnail is actually (or it should) using a random number, but up to a maximum second indeed. You can go to the video, and from the options (not on fullscreen playback screen) you can choose set thumbnail in the desired frame. (it seems that some formats are returning black screens, but in our tests with most of supported formats it sets correctly.

6: playlist is already there. go to " on the move" or just click and hold a item, to add it to the playlist. After adding the files, you can go to playlist list and save the dynamic list with a name and start a new one. in the current version there's no recursive add, so you can add just music items (not albums, or artists) as this can generate some really have recursive adds, and we need to do it more carefully.

Anyways, thanks for the nice words, we are indeed running to improve it more and solve some of the issues you said, do better others, and so on , and feedback like yours are the best thing to guide us!

BR from brazil,

Marcelo

[geek]

First, great work with Canola, it stoped me from replacing my Nokia with an iTouch.

I run Canola 2 beta 9 on my Nokia n770 with OS2007HE, and it works fine and fast most of the time. My only problem with it is that sometimes, when it should start a new song (first song or after it just played some), it just showes me the info for the next song and the small circle at the bottom is circling, but the song dosn't play. I can go to the next song, or go around in the menu without problems, just the next song refuses to play.

Otherwise, its just awesome.

[handful]

Geek : on OS2006 and 2007 there is a non-fixed bug for DBUS that prevents some songs from being played, also Dbus is really old, thus you can fall into problems like these more often than in newer versions : /

If you can take a look and see if the file what is not playing sometimes has spaces, or strange characters, then it's the reason.

a thing you can do it's to make sure there's no unusual characters on your files name. :/

If not that.. and it's one song..etc send that to us so we can debug and kill if the bug is on canola...

Marcelo

[geek]

Marcelo:
Thanks for the Info, will test some songs for lockups.

[spice3d]

Marcelo: I'm finding that after deleting a couple albums, they still appear in the Artist and Album lists. Obviously if I go into the album, it says no items found. How do I get rid of them?

[handful]

Spice: this refresh thing still an issue : / sorry for that, the thing is we need to always force refresh, but for those with 8gb cards this maybe painfully slow, so we need to come up with a better notification way to do that (we are improving the framework for that)

So, after deleting, did you do a "refresh library"? I know it will sound painful, but for now you can also go to media library, uncheck everything, refresh... and then check back your disk and refresh.. this will make sure things are clean : /

Marcelo

[tekk]

While I've only been getting into the customization of my N810 recently, I finally downloaded Canola2 last night (with youtube and Last.FM plugins) and when coupled with the flat black theme, this is an amazing UI / application. EXCELLENT JOB!!!!!!

My only issue is that YouTube vids either stutter or the audio is not sync'ed appropriately. I know this appears to be an issue with mplayer embed mode (thats what I believe I read in the previous posts in this thread) but just thought express my experience of it too. Last.FM is working pretty darn good. My only oddity is that when I search on a specific artist (Lets say "Nightwish"), the station that starts doesn't play a single song from them while when using the Last.FM plugin on my laptop it usually plays at least one song FIRST from the band entered then other similar songs. Maybe this is just me being weird and not an issue with the plug-in. Regardless it appears to be working flawlessly with the streaming and showing of the album art.

Again, excellent excellent app so keep up the awesome work :)

[sashabe]

Marcelo:

I get this stuttering when listening to WMAs and going through the Canola interface. No problems when playing MP3s. WMA decoding must be more CPU intensive.
Sorry for not saying a word this long, was away from the tablet. Just wanted to confirm: no stuttering at all with mp3s, but not with wma files. Vanilla media player does not have problems with any filetypes.
Again, thanks to Marcelo and the whole team. I'm fully a Canola convert these days:)

[Laughing Man]

Hey handful,

I found some other problematic mp3 files in Canola. The files are tagged (they show up in other media players and PC media players) yet in Canola the only way to see it is through looking for the folder. Should I send them to you to see if you guys can figure out what's causing Canola not to read its tags (or if it's just an issue on my end though I tried deleting the .db and rescanning and it made no difference). I've since moved the problematic files off the n800 and onto my computer (so I have the retagged files on my tablet now so it works).

Also I'm noticing another issue. I'm not sure what's causing it but occasionally album art has problems. It will show the same album two or three times (complete with the album art). Though only one of them works if you try to press it. And the other ones won't let you click on them. If you navigate in the single cover mode (the one where you can click the side and the next album comes into view). When you get to the duplicated albums, it will sort of glitch up and not let you move the interface anymore.

The album art of the duplicated album will cover up the names from the previous album, and pressing anything just results in it playing files from the previous album in the cover art (and that's about all you can do).

Seeing if this is related to what I mentioned before I went to albums (where it lists all the albums but with text names scrolling vertically). The albums were not duplicated there, so it seems to happen only in cover arts mode.

Edit: I was wrong and it happens in both album and cover arts mode. Interestingly they both show up in the same problematic order. H

[urzatio]

Recently bought a N800 and upgrade it to os2008 and installed canola (duh), I copied a video (mp4) and it worked just fine in media player, but in canola it hicups and goes to next video, and went back to media player and still plays with no fuzz....any suggestions or questions?, the N800 uses two 2GB SD, virtual memory set to 128mb (just in case), anyway the good thing it looks beautiful and i really hope to experiment more with it...

[handful]

If you have mplayer installed ( or installed youtube plugin) you Are probably playng some mp4 made for the default player not mplayer so take a look (search) for atabake configuration and change from oms to mplayer

Br

Marcelo

[spice3d]

So when is Beta 10 due???

[handful]

Spice, I really don't know :) we are training some new folks, so it can take a little more, also july is the month most of guys will take vacations, so it will be at least in the end of august.

Marcelo

[spice3d]

ah ok. Guess I just need to be patient.

[spice3d]

Upgraded to Diablo firmware on my N800. I'm finding that I don't get the stutter when playing WMAs and navigating the UI like I did before.

[handful]

Spice: I am noticing that canola is smoother on diablo :) I think a lot of optimizations are on the platform level and is benefiting everyone :) dragging my album art was way better :)

But: my upnp server (while using ps3) is having trouble with my router when I try to download covers, need to investigate if this is related to canola in anyway :)

MArcelo

[TheRealBubba]

Much love for canola2... I find myself wishing for a PDF reader to parallel the images, audio, video (I read lots of PDFs on my N800, and ... well it is nowhere near as nice to deal with directories of PDFs as it is to deal with media via C2).

[Mara]

First, great work with Canola, it stoped me from replacing my Nokia with an iTouch.

I run Canola 2 beta 9 on my Nokia n770 with OS2007HE, and it works fine and fast most of the time. My only problem with it is that sometimes, when it should start a new song (first song or after it just played some), it just showes me the info for the next song and the small circle at the bottom is circling, but the song dosn't play. I can go to the next song, or go around in the menu without problems, just the next song refuses to play.

Otherwise, its just awesome.

geek: Can you describe the exact steps how did you install Canola on 770 (OS2007HE)? I just dug my old 770 from my drawer and started playing with it... I have managed to install even Skype on it without problems, but Canola seem a no go. I followed the step by step instructions in openbossa.indt.org web site but no joy. It seem that it installs incorrect version, since running from xterm it gives error message "Illegal instruction".

I tried even downloading the .deb and install from file but then application manager shows many missing packages. (Mostly python related...) I tried even installing Mediabox first (which installs python runtime), which worked fine and Mediabox works, though little slow on 770.

[excorpus]

I have been loving the podcast plugin with Canola recently. It has replaced gPodder. However, lately I have been having some unexplained interface issues with Canola. In the last few days, my bottom 'back' button and the 'menu' button are missing. I have restarted my N800 and Canola several times but I cannot get it to reappear. I would like to avoid re-installing due to my podcast usage.

I have also noticed that the 'update media library' message seems to appear on loading all the time now, when I never seemed to notice it before. With my 2 16Gb cards, this can take a ton of time. Load times of 2 - 3 minutes is usual now when a few days ago they were under 1 min. I have installed nothing in the last few days that could have screwed things up.

Any ideas?

[handful]

Hi Ex:

can you take a look at your disk? this seems that it has some kind of problem as canola is trying to " refresh" it everytime like you said. It's more likely to be a bug in Canola, but can also be a " corrupted " file in the disk causing problems...

for sure this is quite annoying, and I'm studying the final way of doing the wizard for new users and this policies for scanning and refreshing for experienced users.

can you tell us a little bit about your setup so we can try to reproduce it here?
device : software, main software installed..etc?

Thanks!

Marcelo

[spice3d]

Marcelo: This technique to refresh the library doesn't work. Canola remembers the old info.

I found another issue. If you have multiple albums called "Greatest Hits" and you combine individually, they both show up grouped. If you uncheck one, the Combine button goes grey and you cannot select.

Spice: this refresh thing still an issue : / sorry for that, the thing is we need to always force refresh, but for those with 8gb cards this maybe painfully slow, so we need to come up with a better notification way to do that (we are improving the framework for that)

So, after deleting, did you do a "refresh library"? I know it will sound painful, but for now you can also go to media library, uncheck everything, refresh... and then check back your disk and refresh.. this will make sure things are clean : /

Marcelo

[Peroxyde]

I am running 2007 HE, and when using any feature (Online radio, youtube, etc.) I can navigate to the file, but the media does not play. This affects audio and video. All help is appreciated.

Dylan

[OVK]

@OVK : indeed, we do have some 770 running "OK" the canola2, but the playback was always a problem. Using dbus on that OS it creates a lot of problem, any different character will simply make the file unplayable, it takes ages to start embedded mode on mplayer, even more to maemo media engine to answer the dbus request (it seems that it gets really confused in the middle) taking sometimes (true: 6 minutes to start a video) it looks like it freezed the device, but actually it didn't it's waiting for the media engine to answer the dbus request. As it never happened in the canola 2 on the other devices, we didn't expected this to happen but on OS2006 is common. For pictures the problem is (ok combined with the heavy screen) is that the disk reading speed is much lower on 770.
Marcelo

Hi Marcelo,

After all, I finally got the Canola to run on my 770 reasonably well. I did two things: first, I flashed fanoush's kernel that allows 770 to read data from mmc faster. After that I also installed the Youtube-plugin for Canola.

As I have understood correctly the Youtube plugin changes the 770's default player to mPlayer to be used with Canola (?). I think this might have something to do with the improved performance of Canola on 770. Also faster reading of mmc probably has some effect.

I still have some problems (occasional freezing, videos tend not to start etc.) but at least mp3's usually start playing without problems (not every time but most of the times).

[italodance]

hi dear friend marcelo

finally my old problem is solved: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1896


and i updated my canola2 beta 1 to beta 9 now

with tuner plugins,themes..........


but friend,photo problem is still available!

after reboot my n800 and also refresh the dirs and folders

it can't show some of my photos why?

please help me

[racky]

Hi Marcelo,

I still have some problems (occasional freezing, videos tend not to start etc.) but at least mp3's usually start playing without problems (not every time but most of the times).

For those who run Canola 2 on the OS2007HE and have problem for video playback, I suggest you downgrade your Mplayer version to 18

https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/1913/mplayer_1.0rc1-maemo.18.n770_armel.deb

It runs much better on my 770. The only catch is it will not show the little screen on Canola, but who needs it, too small to see anyway. And all the function keys of Mplayer still work, fast forward, rewind, volume control, except pause. And if you want to see the next video, just hit the return key.

It runs so well on OS2007HE and I tried to install it on OS2006 on MMC, but no success, It will not start even though it installed successfully. I know they have already said they don't support OS2006 anymore, but hopefully someone knows why.

On my new N800 that I got yesterday, the new Canola version would not work on OS2008 Diablo, no text shows. :confused:

[lbattraw]

I have two n800's which I've installed diablo on. After a recent 'apt-get upgrade' of packages both installs of Canola (beta 9 of course) have invisible text. Icons, pictures and menus, they all seem to work except for the invisible/missing text (There is no place where text will appear properly). I've tried removing and reinstalling as well as removing the .canola directory but now I'm stuck. Any ideas?

Thanks-
Larry

[italodance]

btw canola2 beta 9 is a bit slow on my n800

first for run,it takes time for the loading ?????

also read the videos is slow too (no video files)

:confused:

please help

[stats]

I have the same problem. I have tried a couple reinstalls of Canola2
and python (from chinook), but it is still broken. Before this problem, Canola2 was fine on Diablo.

Thanks in advance.

Cheers,
Rich

[Gorgon]

I am having the missing text issue as well. I received my tablet a day or so after Diablo was released so the first thing I did was upgrade the device. Somewhere along the line I did and "apt-get -f install" and have added "chinook" to my repositories. Canola2 has had missing text ever since the first install.

Before adding Canola2 I had installed HP42, abiword, gnumeric and a couple other apps. Really haven't installed too much on it. Any ideas as to what package update has screwed my ability to see text in Canola? Looks like a great app and I'd love to get it working.

EDIT: Nevermind. Just saw the thread around this. I'm sure you guys are working hard to get a version running for Diablo. I guess I'll just have to wait to play with this software. :)

[italodance]

btw canola2 beta 9 is a bit slow on my n800

first for run,it takes time for the loading ?????

also read the videos is slow too (no video files)

:confused:

please help

other problem

it can't play some videos and just freeze??????????

:(

i think beta 1 was better!

please help me

[sungrove]

other problem

it can't play some videos and just freeze??????????

:(

i think beta 1 was better!

please help me

My Canola install on Diablo also freezes farily often using youtube.
The youtube ap is very cool though when it's working.

Neil

[OVK]

Now, when my Canola is working like a charm, I would like to make an suggestion instead of a bug report.

Here goes: it would be nice to be able to add a quick launch icon of Canola to the home screen of the tablet. I don't know if this is already possible in the newer internet tablets but at least for 770 I have not found a way to do this.

[Bundyo]

Try personal menu.

[OVK]

Try personal menu.

Thanks. I don't know if this application is available for OS2006 but while looking I found the Simple Launcher application. I think that should also do what I am asking for.

[brontide]

My Photos:


Albums/All photos show up in directory ordering rather than date or name sorted
No sub-album support?

[italodance]

i found 1 problem


yes canola can't read and show bmp images


why?


please possible? :o

[ravenmsb]

I have noticed something that is rather odd but it has fixed a problem I have had with Canola many times so I will post and maybe it will help.

I see many people have trouble with AAC when I do a search for media Canola doesn't find the files but for some reason If I set the video folder to the location of the AAC files and refresh it then finds all of my AAC Music files even when there is no video files it picks up all of the music.

I have done this several times and it fixed my problem maybe the developers can make some sense out of it.

[handful]

Hi Raven :

Quite strange behavior indeed, but a good tip on finding what is happening. It's for sure a bug in the scanner, and we are trying to evolve it as we go.

Unfortunately team is changing completely so it will take time to us to be on full speed again.

Marcelo

[handful]

Hi guys :

Answering the "old ones"

Bmps: yes, they are not supported on the scanner so they are not showing. Actually png was the problems, people complained..now I think you're the first bmp request.. so we may see what's happening and evolve to support it (possibly it's quite simple just adding the extension to the dummy scanner)

Slow / videos not playing / Diablo : Diablo is not supported dudes : / we are rushing like crazys to support it but it will not do too much if only Canola is fully ported. Mplayer, etc etc needs to be 100% diablo also to everything be fine again...

Brontide : I think this happens since the first version (the album is alphabetical)
But a good news the new team is already implementing a simple grid, that does a simple album / thumbnail view with more sorting options. Maybe it will be in beta10 if performance x bug count is good enough!

[JustNick]

I made a sad discovery yesterday... I'm missing all the canola's texts (icons' names, settings' menus, titles, descriptions, etc...)
I don't recall doing anything wrong, this morning canolad was updated, but nothing changed...
I haven't used canola in the last ten days, last time was perfect, and now I have no idea of what interfered with it...
Oh, I'm not on Diablo, still using chinook (probably even the first release...)
I guess my best option is to completely remove it and reinstall, am I right? Sob...

[JustNick]

Never mind, canola is magically back with everything in place :D

[refortin]

Here's something strange. I recently added an 8GB external card and copied a few gigs of music to it. When browsing through My Music via All Songs, all the songs are visible and they play fine. However, when browsing via Artists or Albums some of the songs are missing. I tracked it down to being the bit rate of the song. Any song over 192kbps does not show up. For instance, when looking at U2's latest album only the songs ripped at 192kbps or below show up, those at 256 don't. With another album all the songs were ripped at 320kbps. The entire album is not visible.

[lancerr]

I have a Nokia 770 and it says OS2006 with Version 2.2006.39-14

I tried installing the Gregale on my 770 but I get a green Canola screen with no icons. I know others have had this problem in the past, but I couldnt' find anyone that had solved this issue.

Appreciate your help.

[Vrette]

Could you include the option to change the default directory for the cover art to one of the MMC cards? I've got a lot of music (over 5000 songs) across a 16GB and 32GB SD cards, and using /home/user/.canola/covers/ fills up the native memory. I've manually moved the covers folder to one of the SD cards, deleted the original covers directory, and created a symbolic link, but then the plug in only works in the 3 album view, which is tedious to use when you have hundreds of albums.

I've also noticed that when I use canola tuning, I can see the small album covers in the cover arts menu, but they aren't generated when I use the Canola tuning plugin.

BTW, where does the canola tuning store the album covers?

I'm working with a clean install of Diablo, and while I know some of this has already been touched on in previous posts, but I thought you would want to know that these aren't isolated problems.

Thanks

[Laughing Man]

It stores it in /home/user/.canola/covers

[lazuli]

i've searched but i can't get canola to recognize my album covers. i just put a cover.jpg on every album folder i have. other media players see the covers but canola can't. would you recommend a reinstall? or is this feature currently not available for diablo?

my folder structure is:

MUSIC
-album 1
---music1
---music2
---music3
---music4
---cover.jpg
-album 2
---music1
---music2
---music3
---music4
---cover.jpg

i set canola tuning to local covers only.

TIA!

[Vrette]

Same problem here. Both tuning apps missed some of the covers, so I tried to add them manually, both under the covers folder and in the music folder (not at the same time). No go.


i've searched but i can't get canola to recognize my album covers. i just put a cover.jpg on every album folder i have. other media players see the covers but canola can't. would you recommend a reinstall? or is this feature currently not available for diablo?

my folder structure is:

MUSIC
-album 1
---music1
---music2
---music3
---music4
---cover.jpg
-album 2
---music1
---music2
---music3
---music4
---cover.jpg

i set canola tuning to local covers only.

TIA!

[handful]

Hi guys thanks for the reports,

we are going to investigate it further as we are going to d some improvements on the tuning plugin for beta10. sorry for the lack of updates but we were caught by surprise with diablo's new delivery method.

If you guys can just tell us more details about your files ? are they mp3s ?

BR

(slower response time, because I am on vacations:) )

[Vrette]

All of the files are MP3s. 256 and 320 Kb/s. I think most are VBR.

I changed the default cover folder location to my internal mmc2 card, since the default location was filling up the native memory. Maybe that has something to do with it?

BTW - check back in when you are back from vacation, and ehjoy yourself. this can wait. ;)

[handful]

Hi again :)

Don't worry, this is most of the time my out of office work :) I have something like 12 simultaneous projects on going so I try to keep up with the forum at home :) the problem here is the connection :

http://www.flickr.com/photos/handful/2689231073/

A little bit too much in the country.

So. about the covers, yes.. if there was really small memory things could have gone wrong. But we are adding the UI to choose the location of those files.

BR

Marcelo

[blueheron]

A quick scan of these 20 previous pages didn't turn up this bug, so I thought that I would add it:

Hardware: Nokia N810
OS: Diablo

Problem: When attempting to enter a password in last.fm using the slide down keyboard, the "Fn" key does not activate the alternative keyboard layout, resulting in the inability to enter numbers into the password field. The layout indicator stays as "abc". I don't believe that you can do upper case either.

Workaround: Use the on-screen keyboard.

Obviously this was pretty annoying until I thought to use the on-screen keyboard.

[handful]

Blue : this is actually a input framework bug we already reported to the maemo team. Applications that are not gtk based suffers from that... so I think for now people will need to use the on screen. I guess we should add a stick to known problems...

I posted about this here, but on the first release so it must be lost on the threads :)

Br

Marcelo

[blueheron]

I posted about this here, but on the first release so it must be lost on the threads :)


I figured that it was unlikely that it would be completely un-known... but I just wanted to be sure. And with 20 pages in this thread, it isn't easy to scan it for already posted items!

Ah well. If that is truly my only problem with Canola (other than a2dp, which I know is being worked on), then everyone must be doing a really good job. :)

[sinosure]

I find some error in the file name of the podcast.

One of my podcast seed has some:confused: links like this:

http://224.cachefile22.fs2you.com/acc5/zh-cn/preview/244b009fab8045e57eca76a05b88430b/preview.mp3

http://224.cachefile13.fs2you.com/acc5/zh-cn/preview/d2c253873942c49f6acdc2ff1089f77e/preview.mp3

So when I download the first one, Canola will save it as preview.mp3 with no error. But when I download the second one, Canola report Unknow error. I guess Canola save the second one in the same name of preview.mp3, isn't it?.

What'll I do?

Thanks

[spice3d]

Yesterday, the flashing "!" came up (Diablo?) and it said that Canola had an upgrade although all of the versions looked to be the same as what I had. I upgraded anyways and Canola still seems to work fine. Weird. Just thought I'd mention.

[RBraverman]

I - for one - can't get it to run. Latest Flash, it installs without error, but when I start it, it tells me it's "starting" and then that box disappears and that it.

[racky]

I have a Nokia 770 and it says OS2006 with Version 2.2006.39-14

I tried installing the Gregale on my 770 but I get a green Canola screen with no icons. I know others have had this problem in the past, but I couldnt' find anyone that had solved this issue.

Appreciate your help.

The only way I could make it to work on my 770 OS2006 was to install it on a new reflashed OS2006. Then add the other programs one by one. Once it works, it works very well on OS2006. The first time I tried without the reflash, and it wouldn't even start at all. The teams don't support the OS2006 any more, but Canola 2 should work on 770 OS2006. I use it even more than I use it on my N800 because of the better battery life on my 770. :rolleyes:

[FaberfoX]

First of all, thanks for canola, it's THE app to show off ITs ;)
Now, this is a feature request. Long time ago, in the previous century, I had a technics discman that had a single push button in the headphones cord. A single press of this button paused/resumed playback, two quick presses skipped forward to the next track, and three went back to the previous one.
Something like this for canola, using the packed in headphones would be amazing for music playback on the move.
What do you guys think?

[sewertrout]

First of all, thanks to the Canola team for making such a great app. My friend got an iTouch - my IT has got it beat, at half the price!

For all those having problems with the album covers, I did the following. It's a band-aid, but it works.

1. The config file Canola points to /home/user/.canola/covers as the default directory for album cover pointers. I could not get my covers to display (Diablo, Beta9 + plugin). So, I deleted this "covers" folder and made a symbolic link to my removable media card. I made a folder called "/media/mmc1/music/covers". Then, I made a link to point to this folder:

ln -s /home/user/.canola/covers /media/mmc1/music/covers

2. It appears that Canola looks for cover art in a folder within "covers" that must exactly match the artist, then album name. So for example: "...covers/Dave Matthews/Some Devil". Within that folder, I copied the cover art to "cover.jpg" (large) and "cover-small.jpg" (small).

3. Have the canola plugin update the album art and you should be good to go.

If you use the album art update before moving files, the plugin will create the proper folder name. I didn't realize this at first and could have saved me some headaches with the exact spelling of some albums/artists. Anyways, this is a quick fix and only because I could not get my album covers to work.

I love Canola, but would it be possible to add a feature like a super-shuffle? Something that would spin through all the cover art, then land on a random song within that album? Also, I have a lot of audio books that I keep separate from music. A separate folder for books would be awesome.

Thanks again to the canola team!

[tolou]

...Canola tries (have been improving since beta 1) to support most of id3Tags, but it's quite hard to support all formats (there are differentes, in genres, etc) and we think we are at least a lot better than beta7 and backwards. So , if you still have the files.. it would be of great use to detect the problems in them.

I´ve discovered that tags with no data in the 'Album' field will not show in the artists list. :( So for my set of files with this info casually neglected I had to set just anything there to workaround this problem.

[vinc17]

I have two 8GB cards. Normal startup time for canola is typically 3-5 seconds which is plenty fast. This morning it hung again at "Updating media library". I finally killed it after 40 minutes of being hung in that state. The little rotating circle showing activity was still going after 40 minutes. Since canola does start up in 3-5 seconds most of the time for me, I am guessing it is not the card size issue.

I have an 8-GB card on my N810, and same problem.

[handful]

Hi Vinc17 :

This is for sure a file (bug in scanner) that breaks the scanner holding the refresh.
Can you try (deselecting folders) trying to finding out what folder / file is breaking? then we will be able to reproduce the bug and fix it!

This is really not near normality : /

Marcelo

[vinc17]

Can you try (deselecting folders) trying to finding out what folder / file is breaking?

Unfortunately, I couldn't reproduce the problem, but perhaps because of some cache? If I update the folders from Settings, there's no problem.

[dbpaddler]

does anyone have sound quality issues? When I stream internet radio (just the basic bbc music station) through the built in streaming app the sound quality is pretty good. When I play it through the Canola streamer it sounds muffled. Had both volume levels turned all the way up. Thought it was odd.

I also don't see all my files. The scroll bar disappears as I try to drag it down. Tried viewing some videos off of an SD card. Tried searching through the thread but couldn't find anything.

Other than that, I like the interface. Seems slick.

[geekmeetsworld]

I have been using Canola for my podcast for a while, and noticed that it has trouble with several podcasts.

For Scientific American, it cannot download episodes:
http://www.sciam.com/podcast/sciam_podcast_r.xml

I also have a handful of podcasts that require and username and password. Canola downloads the episodes but can't seem to play them. I end up going to Media Player and playing them there.

[handful]

Hi Geeks..
Thanks for the report. We need those URL / issues from you (users) to be able to check and fix it.

If it's not playing, maybe you already have mplayer as playback and this is blocking the playback of the format.

So I will add this, as it's quite strange that the it's mp3 file and it's not playing :/

Thanks for the info

Marcelo

[poshenloh]

Hi there, first of all, I am EXTREMELY impressed by this application. It is very enjoyable to use, and looks very polished.

There is one issue that I have in my installation, however, and I am wondering whether this is just my fault, or if it is a standard feature. When I am in the Photos application, if I choose to view by Album, the list of albums (the folders which contain my pictures) is not sorted in alphabetical order.

At first, it was not clear to me what order they were sorted in, but it seems to correspond to the order in which the folders were initially created on the filesystem.

Similarly, the order of the photos within a given album also appeared to be sorted by the order of when they were last modified on the filesystem. This was not a big issue for me, because then I just used the "touch" command to adjust the order of the modification timestamps to match the alphabetical sort order.


But is this normal across all installations of beta9? If it is just something wrong with my own device, it would be helpful for me to find out so that I can try to fix it, rather than waiting for a new version of Canola.

Once again, congratulations on your marvelous program!

[Picklesworth]

Regarding that mention of the sci-am podcasts...

A while ago, I filed a bug report about Scientific American podcasts:
https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/?func=detail&aid=2451&group_id=125&atid=1989

I think this applies to any podcast with a similar format.

[handful]

Hi there, first of all, I am EXTREMELY impressed by this application. It is very enjoyable to use, and looks very polished.

There is one issue that I have in my installation, however, and I am wondering whether this is just my fault, or if it is a standard feature. When I am in the Photos application, if I choose to view by Album, the list of albums (the folders which contain my pictures) is not sorted in alphabetical order.

At first, it was not clear to me what order they were sorted in, but it seems to correspond to the order in which the folders were initially created on the filesystem.

Similarly, the order of the photos within a given album also appeared to be sorted by the order of when they were last modified on the filesystem. This was not a big issue for me, because then I just used the "touch" command to adjust the order of the modification timestamps to match the alphabetical sort order.


But is this normal across all installations of beta9? If it is just something wrong with my own device, it would be helpful for me to find out so that I can try to fix it, rather than waiting for a new version of Canola.

Once again, congratulations on your marvelous program!

Hi! thanks for the nice words, they are our fuel.

so about sorting, yes, indeed is date wise what is not optimal. So for a while I have been requesting to have a simple grid and plus also more sorting options.

Some sort is coming in the new release, even for youtube, but maybe pictures will need one more update, because we want to give users everything that they asked (sorting, sequence etc)

I think we will be able to deploy still in september 2 releases. so Prepare to test and see if solves your problem!

Br

Marcelo

[handful]

A while ago, I filed a bug report about Scientific American podcasts:
https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/?func=detail&aid=2451&group_id=125&atid=1989

I added your request to the test library of rss feeds. changes are coming in the newest release, so if this is not fixed there, it will be in september still.

Br

[poshenloh]

Hi! thanks for the nice words, they are our fuel.

so about sorting, yes, indeed is date wise what is not optimal. So for a while I have been requesting to have a simple grid and plus also more sorting options.

Some sort is coming in the new release, even for youtube, but maybe pictures will need one more update, because we want to give users everything that they asked (sorting, sequence etc)

I think we will be able to deploy still in september 2 releases. so Prepare to test and see if solves your problem!

Br

Marcelo

Thanks for your very fast reply! I look forward to testing the next release! Also, if you do not mind my asking you further about the current date-sort for the albums (folders): what "date" do you sort against for the folders? Do you use the last-modified timestamp for the directory? It almost seems that you use the original creation date for the directory, but I am not sure. It would be wonderful if you could tell me exactly what is used, because then I can adjust the timestamps appropriately.

Best,

--Po

[desiv]

Where can I get a copy of Canola2 - beta8?
i upgraded and it won't run.
I get an error about libXfixes.so.3, but I'm running os2006 on my 770 and there is no such file. I do have libXfixes.so.0.2.0.
I did the cleanup and I still have the same error.
I probably have some wrong lib loaded, but it could take quite a while to find.
So, just going back to beta8 would keep me going for now.

Thanks

desiv
p.s. I tried linking so.3 to so.0, but then I get an illegal exception.

[umberto_soprano]

Hi,

first of all: good work! Your app is very well done, I'd be glad to donate a few euros, do you have a donation account somewhere?

Now, comments.

A small issue: I renamed a watched photo folder, and the new name appeared in the Photo Albums, but the old one was still there. I had to remove and re-add the folder to make it disappear.

Another issue: at startup, the "loading Canola" round icon hangs for around 15 seconds... is it normal?

Now the wish list:

- photo and album ordering by name (I know you know :) )

- photo browsing in full screen mode with 1 click and no side icons. Now if I want to move to the next photo, 3 clicks are needed (click to show side icons, click to move to next photo, click to hide side icons), and that's annoying. Moreover, I'd like to see the same smooth and fast browsing in full screen mode as in review mode, that would make it the definitive photo viewer.

- When Selecting for "Cover Arts", cover are not visible in th first menu, but only in the "horizontal browsing" menu. Would be nice to have them there too.

That's it for the moment :)

ciao, Umberto

[handful]

Hi,

first of all: good work! Your app is very well done, I'd be glad to donate a few euros, do you have a donation account somewhere?


don't worry about that :) We are honored that you would like to donate money, this is a great compliment, but we are a small company and we don't plan to charge for Canola2 betas. And of course if we planned to do that in the future, we would like to give the best support, updates and so on, and I think we still on track to find this level but we are never satisfied :)



A small issue: I renamed a watched photo folder, and the new name appeared in the Photo Albums, but the old one was still there. I had to remove and re-add the folder to make it disappear.


We are working harder on the scanner to find ways to make it refresh itself more reliable. This is one of the reasons while canola takes a little bit more to startup.

Our plan is to let you choose if you wanna scan the disc everytime canola starts or if you want to do that manually. Anyways, you would need at least to refresh media :)


Another issue: at startup, the "loading Canola" round icon hangs for around 15 seconds... is it normal?


Well, like I said, the scanner is looking for changes, to avoid problems, but it's not working reliable today.. so itn eeds to be improved and the choice of not doing that needs to be added.



Now the wish list:

- photo and album ordering by name (I know you know )

Yeah, on the list, working on this :)


- photo browsing in full screen mode with 1 click and no side icons. Now if I want to move to the next photo, 3 clicks are needed (click to show side icons, click to move to next photo, click to hide side icons), and that's annoying. Moreover, I'd like to see the same smooth and fast browsing in full screen mode as in review mode, that would make it the definitive photo viewer.


You actually pointed out something really important here, that if you want clean browsing it's quite complicated. I think we can refine this to be morelike you said and it will for sure improve it.

About the speed. the problem is not actually canola, but how big is your photos. the fulllscreen view really picks up the best quality, so if you photos are big, it will take time to read it from the disk and change from on to another. In the review screen, we pick up lower quality preview, and we "pre-load" some pictures ahead of the one you are looking, that's why it's seems faster.

Anyhow, this is a really powerful comment, that can bring a lot of improvements with simple changes in ui, but a little bit more complicated changes in the coding. But I am goin to be honest: to try to make things smoother, but then people trying to have fast switch between photos on their 7 mega pixel photos will be quite hard :)



- When Selecting for "Cover Arts", cover are not visible in th first menu, but only in the "horizontal browsing" menu. Would be nice to have them there too.


You mean in the "browse by album" right?


That's it for the moment

ciao, Umberto

Good set of comments, for sure I think a little bit more complex that a simple change, but it will definitely make canola better for a lot of users :)

BR

[umberto_soprano]

Thank you for the answers...!

A few comments below:


We are working harder on the scanner to find ways to make it refresh itself more reliable.

Well, in that case, the new folder name appears, therefore a folder scan has been done. But the old folder is still there as well. (Are maybe two kinds of scanning? Just for new folders and complete scans?)


You actually pointed out something really important here, that if you want clean browsing it's quite complicated. I think we can refine this to be morelike you said and it will for sure improve it.

I don't think it should be a big task that one. Actually if you tap everywhere on the photo you show side icons. You may change it in order to show side icons only for tappings near the side (exactly where the icons are), and to move to next photo when tapping on the rest (wide center) of the photo (or something like that). That would dramatically improve the browsing experience.


About the speed. the problem is not actually canola, but how big is your photos. the fulllscreen view really picks up the best quality, so if you photos are big, it will take time to read it from the disk and change from on to another. In the review screen, we pick up lower quality preview, and we "pre-load" some pictures ahead of the one you are looking, that's why it's seems faster.

I always resize photos to 1024x768 before uploading them to the tablet pc. It's less than 1 Mpx and at the end not so bigger than those on the review screen. That's why I think a similar browsing experience may be ported to full screen (at least as good as the default image viewer, which it seems to pre-load one or two following photos).


You mean in the "browse by album" right?


No, I mean Audio -> My Music -> Cover Arts. There's then a list of all the albums with no covers (just squares with music notes), and covers appears only when clicking in one of the albums.

Anyway, having small covers to browse by album would be nice too.


Good set of comments, for sure I think a little bit more complex that a simple change, but it will definitely make canola better for a lot of users :)
BR

Thanks, and thumbs up again for you and your team!
Hope to be there for World Cup 2016 ;-)

ciao, Umberto

[amigokin]

Hope to be there for World Cup 2016 ;-)

The world cup is in 2014. ;-)

[handful]

I always resize photos to 1024x768 before uploading them to the tablet pc. It's less than 1 Mpx and at the end not so bigger than those on the review screen. That's why I think a similar browsing experience may be ported to full screen (at least as good as the default image viewer, which it seems to pre-load one or two following photos).

Yes, that is exactly the problem, you do that, and a couple of other users (that are actually here on the forum and so on) but a lot of users, dont know how to resize a picture : / and believe me, I get tons of emails. So even if it's working with resized pictures we need to make sure it still at least like today for big ones :) that's why caching is a little bit more complicated, also..don't forget the memory..if we load 5 full 5 to 7 megapixel images on the memory...watchdog will send us to limbo :)

Anyhow there's indeed room to improvement, and the "complex" I said is that... to preload we will need a lot of testing. not to do a new clean ui mode to browse :)


Br

Marcelo

[iliaden]

Hi Marcelo,

It has been quite some time since I posted on this forum, but I still use Canola. Over the past month, I realized what - in my opinion - was missing in the application. My first suggestion is a simple option to display media information about a track currently playing. It could be in the options (new button to display info) and contain only the basics: file location & ID3 data.

Next, a feature I am really missing is the ability to create custom playlists. Right now, the only custom playlist that canola supports are the items rated 5-stars. If someone could add a currently playing track or entire folder to a playlist and then select only that to play, it could be way more convenient. For example, this could be useful for someone who has both audiobooks and music on his ITT.

My final suggestion is just a slight modification of a current feature. in the "browse by folder" menu, I think that the option "play all files in this folder AND its subfolders" should be present.

Finally, I am just curious as to the differences between versions 2.0.0~beta9-maemo1 , 2.0.0~beta9-maemo2 and 2.0.0~beta9-maemo4

Thank you

Ilia

[handful]

Hi Illia !

Nice to talk to you again.

Hi Marcelo,

It has been quite some time since I posted on this forum, but I still use Canola. Over the past month, I realized what - in my opinion - was missing in the application. My first suggestion is a simple option to display media information about a track currently playing. It could be in the options (new button to display info) and contain only the basics: file location & ID3 data.


Yes, I think this is something we can add in beta11 for sure. One more vote for info.


Next, a feature I am really missing is the ability to create custom playlists. Right now, the only custom playlist that canola supports are the items rated 5-stars. If someone could add a currently playing track or entire folder to a playlist and then select only that to play, it could be way more convenient. For example, this could be useful for someone who has both audiobooks and music on his ITT.

Are you sure the playlist function is not what you need? Hold an item for a couple secs and it goes to the "on the go" playlist, then you can save it as a new playlist.


My final suggestion is just a slight modification of a current feature. in the "browse by folder" menu, I think that the option "play all files in this folder AND its subfolders" should be present.


This can be added. The problem is exactly this "folder and subfolder" if you have too much folders and subfolders we can have small problems with recursiveness but I thi nk it's quite feasible. added!




Finally, I am just curious as to the differences between versions 2.0.0~beta9-maemo1 , 2.0.0~beta9-maemo2 and 2.0.0~beta9-maemo4

Thank you

Ilia
_____

For this one I need the help of an expert, Etrunko! can you help on this one?

BR from Brazil!

[iliaden]

Hi again,

Are you sure the playlist function is not what you need? Hold an item for a couple secs and it goes to the "on the go" playlist, then you can save it as a new playlist.
This option is quite useful, but I still have a slight problem with my audio library: it's about 20Gb (got 2 16gb SD cards...). So to find a particular song, it could take quite some time. I haven't tried the option to hold a folder for some time, but if a folder could be added this way, then the problem is solved.


EDIT: I finally realized why I would appreciate an "add to playlist" option. Usually, I play my music on "shuffle all". When an audiobook track starts, I just press "next". However, sometimes, when a song plays, I just wish I could add it to a playlist, but it would take me A LOT of time to find this particular song in the "All songs" section, so I would give up right away. note: I just did a scan: over 12000 tracks! oh... metalayer-crawler has been disabled a long time ago!


For this one I need the help of an expert, Etrunko! can you help on this one?
until now, I know that beta4 does not run on chinook, and that beta2 is required for all the addons. that's as much as i could find by try and error.

Ilia

[handful]

Hi Illia,

The next step is of course to add the "recursive" "add to playlist" function but we need to be a little careful, specially with users like you with 12k tracks :) imagine you pressing a folder like 'My Music" it will add all your 12k tracks to the playlist :)))

So good cancelation, good recursive add without getting you guys crazy!

But thanks, good insights on heavy media usage on your post :) I promise that they will not be left aside, at least modified to be on the future versions.

Marcelo

[psyberjedi]

I have recently re-flashed my N810 and I am trying to get Canola to work. It installs successfully but fails to run.

There is an evas.c_evas.SmartObject error about 3/4 of the way down.

Here is the terminal output:


~ $ canola -vvv
1222271458.9051 INFO manager:48:_load_config() loaded terra config '/etc/canola.conf'
1222271459.0799 INFO manager:65:_setup_plugin_manager() plugin manager up and running
1222271459.0841 DEBUG manager:156:get_class() looking for first class with filter 'SystemProperties'
1222271459.0881 DEBUG manager:114:get_classes() looking for classes with filter 'SystemProperties'
1222271459.6146 INFO plugin_manager:155:_load_plugins() loaded plugin 'Maemo System' with filters ['Model/Status/Network', 'SystemProperties', 'Model/Status/Battery', 'ScreenPowerSave', 'Controller/Status/Battery', 'Controller/Status/Network']
1222271459.6198 DBG_W plugin_manager:144:_load_plugins() plugin 'Linux System' disabled, skipping it ...
1222271459.7400 DEBUG manager:156:get_class() looking for first class with filter 'MainController'
1222271459.7442 DEBUG manager:114:get_classes() looking for classes with filter 'MainController'
1222271459.9189 DEBUG manager:156:get_class() looking for first class with filter 'Model/Notify'
1222271459.9235 DEBUG manager:114:get_classes() looking for classes with filter 'Model/Notify'
1222271459.9392 INFO plugin_manager:155:_load_plugins() loaded plugin 'Notify Model' with filters ['Model/WaitNotify', 'Model/YesNoDialog', 'Model/EntryDialog', 'Model/Notify']
1222271459.9443 DEBUG manager:156:get_class() looking for first class with filter 'Model/WaitNotify'
1222271460.0573 DEBUG manager:114:get_classes() looking for classes with filter 'Model/WaitNotify'
1222271460.0619 DEBUG manager:156:get_class() looking for first class with filter 'Model/Notify/Error/PluginNotFound'
1222271460.0660 DEBUG manager:114:get_classes() looking for classes with filter 'Model/Notify/Error/PluginNotFound'
1222271460.0781 DEBUG manager:156:get_class() looking for first class with filter 'Model/Notify'
1222271460.0824 DEBUG manager:114:get_classes() looking for classes with filter 'Model/Notify'
1222271460.1986 INFO plugin_manager:155:_load_plugins() loaded plugin 'Errors' with filters ['Model/Notify/Error/Fatal', 'Model/Notify/Error/PluginNotFound', 'Model/Notify/Error']
1222271460.2036 DEBUG manager:156:get_class() looking for first class with filter 'Hook/Player'
1222271460.2120 DEBUG manager:114:get_classes() looking for classes with filter 'Hook/Player'
1222271460.2818 INFO plugin_manager:155:_load_plugins() loaded plugin 'Base Player Type' with filters ['Player', 'Hook/Player']
1222271460.2865 DEBUG manager:156:get_class() looking for first class with filter 'Controller/RemotePlayer'
1222271460.2907 DEBUG manager:114:get_classes() looking for classes with filter 'Controller/RemotePlayer'
1222271460.4005 INFO plugin_manager:155:_load_plugins() loaded plugin 'Audio Remote' with filters ['Model/Notify/RemotePlayer', 'Controller/RemotePlayer', 'Controller/Notify/RemotePlayer']
1222271460.4057 DEBUG manager:156:get_class() looking for first class with filter 'Model/Notify/RemotePlayer'
1222271460.4098 DEBUG manager:114:get_classes() looking for classes with filter 'Model/Notify/RemotePlayer'
1222271460.4245 INFO plugin_manager:155:_load_plugins() loaded plugin 'Main Controller' with filters ['MainController']
1222271460.6578 DEBUG controller:129:get_controller_for_model() looking for controller for model with filter 'Model/WaitNotify' ...
1222271460.6626 DEBUG controller:107:get_controller_class_for_model() looking for controller class with filter 'Controller/WaitNotify' ...
1222271460.6667 DEBUG manager:156:get_class() looking for first class with filter 'Controller/WaitNotify'
1222271460.6764 DEBUG manager:114:get_classes() looking for classes with filter 'Controller/WaitNotify'
1222271461.0650 DBG_E plugin_manager:151:_load_plugins() [evas.c_evas.SmartObject does not appear to be the correct type object] while loading plugin 'Notify UI', skipping it ...
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "python-terra/core/plugin_manager.py", line 148, in _load_plugins
File "python-terra/core/plugin_manager.py", line 91, in load
File "python-terra/core/module_loader.py", line 28, in load
File "canola-core/notify/ui.py", line 14, in <module>
File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/etk/__init__.py", line 1, in <module>
File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/etk/core.py", line 1, in <module>
File "c_evas.pxd", line 684, in etk.c_etk
ValueError: evas.c_evas.SmartObject does not appear to be the correct type object
1222271461.1102 DEBUG controller:107:get_controller_class_for_model() looking for controller class with filter 'Controller' ...
1222271461.1143 DEBUG manager:156:get_class() looking for first class with filter 'Controller'
1222271461.1284 DEBUG manager:114:get_classes() looking for classes with filter 'Controller'
1222271461.1326 DBG_W plugin_manager:166:load() no plugin implements filter 'Controller'
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/bin/canola", line 278, in <module>
mc = MainController(ee, os.path.realpath(options.theme))
File "canola-core/main/controller.py", line 211, in __init__
File "canola-core/main/controller.py", line 513, in show_notify
AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'view'

[handful]

Psy we will take a look at this error... I will flash a device asap.

thanks for the report

Marcelo

[gleitz]

Same issue here!

powerbrick:~# canola -vvv
1222360013.2889 INFO manager:48:_load_config() loaded terra config '/etc/canola.conf'
1222360013.4301 INFO manager:65:_setup_plugin_manager() plugin manager up and running
1222360013.4347 DEBUG manager:156:get_class() looking for first class with filter 'SystemProperties'
1222360013.4390 DEBUG manager:114:get_classes() looking for classes with filter 'SystemProperties'
1222360013.9096 INFO plugin_manager:155:_load_plugins() loaded plugin 'Maemo System' with filters ['Model/Status/Network', 'SystemProperties', 'Model/Status/Battery', 'ScreenPowerSave', 'Controller/Status/Battery', 'Controller/Status/Network']
1222360013.9154 DBG_W plugin_manager:144:_load_plugins() plugin 'Linux System' disabled, skipping it ...
1222360013.9807 DEBUG manager:156:get_class() looking for first class with filter 'MainController'
1222360013.9864 DEBUG manager:114:get_classes() looking for classes with filter 'MainController'
1222360014.1150 DEBUG manager:156:get_class() looking for first class with filter 'Model/Notify'
1222360014.1196 DEBUG manager:114:get_classes() looking for classes with filter 'Model/Notify'
1222360014.1314 INFO plugin_manager:155:_load_plugins() loaded plugin 'Notify Model' with filters ['Model/WaitNotify', 'Model/YesNoDialog', 'Model/EntryDialog', 'Model/Notify']
1222360014.1366 DEBUG manager:156:get_class() looking for first class with filter 'Model/WaitNotify'
1222360014.1408 DEBUG manager:114:get_classes() looking for classes with filter 'Model/WaitNotify'
1222360014.1478 DEBUG manager:156:get_class() looking for first class with filter 'Model/Notify/Error/PluginNotFound'
1222360014.1597 DEBUG manager:114:get_classes() looking for classes with filter 'Model/Notify/Error/PluginNotFound'
1222360014.1684 DEBUG manager:156:get_class() looking for first class with filter 'Model/Notify'
1222360014.2178 DEBUG manager:114:get_classes() looking for classes with filter 'Model/Notify'
1222360014.2279 INFO plugin_manager:155:_load_plugins() loaded plugin 'Errors' with filters ['Model/Notify/Error/Fatal', 'Model/Notify/Error/PluginNotFound', 'Model/Notify/Error']
1222360014.2350 DEBUG manager:156:get_class() looking for first class with filter 'Hook/Player'
1222360014.2423 DEBUG manager:114:get_classes() looking for classes with filter 'Hook/Player'
1222360014.2583 INFO plugin_manager:155:_load_plugins() loaded plugin 'Base Player Type' with filters ['Player', 'Hook/Player']
1222360014.2652 DEBUG manager:156:get_class() looking for first class with filter 'Controller/RemotePlayer'
1222360014.2720 DEBUG manager:114:get_classes() looking for classes with filter 'Controller/RemotePlayer'
1222360014.3265 INFO plugin_manager:155:_load_plugins() loaded plugin 'Audio Remote' with filters ['Model/Notify/RemotePlayer', 'Controller/RemotePlayer', 'Controller/Notify/RemotePlayer']
1222360014.3338 DEBUG manager:156:get_class() looking for first class with filter 'Model/Notify/RemotePlayer'
1222360014.3402 DEBUG manager:114:get_classes() looking for classes with filter 'Model/Notify/RemotePlayer'
1222360014.3501 INFO plugin_manager:155:_load_plugins() loaded plugin 'Main Controller' with filters ['MainController']
1222360014.4851 DEBUG controller:129:get_controller_for_model() looking for controller for model with filter 'Model/WaitNotify' ...
1222360014.4904 DEBUG controller:107:get_controller_class_for_model() looking for controller class with filter 'Controller/WaitNotify' ...
1222360014.4948 DEBUG manager:156:get_class() looking for first class with filter 'Controller/WaitNotify'
1222360014.4993 DEBUG manager:114:get_classes() looking for classes with filter 'Controller/WaitNotify'
1222360014.7911 DBG_E plugin_manager:151:_load_plugins() [evas.c_evas.SmartObject does not appear to be the correct type object] while loading plugin 'Notify UI', skipping it ...
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "python-terra/core/plugin_manager.py", line 148, in _load_plugins
File "python-terra/core/plugin_manager.py", line 91, in load
File "python-terra/core/module_loader.py", line 28, in load

File "canola-core/notify/ui.py", line 14, in <module>
File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/etk/__init__.py", line 1, in <module>
File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/etk/core.py", line 1, in <module>
File "c_evas.pxd", line 684, in etk.c_etk
ValueError: evas.c_evas.SmartObject does not appear to be the correct type object
1222360014.8435 DEBUG controller:107:get_controller_class_for_model() looking for controller class with filter 'Controller' ...
1222360014.8485 DEBUG manager:156:get_class() looking for first class with filter 'Controller'
1222360014.8528 DEBUG manager:114:get_classes() looking for classes with filter 'Controller'
1222360014.8650 DBG_W plugin_manager:166:load() no plugin implements filter 'Controller'
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/bin/canola", line 278, in <module>
mc = MainController(ee, os.path.realpath(options.theme))
File "canola-core/main/controller.py", line 211, in __init__
File "canola-core/main/controller.py", line 513, in show_notify
AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'view'

[m0lo]

Where can I download the latest beta? :)

[Bundyo]

Extras....

[pekkis]

Canola Beta 9 on a reflashed n810 is not able to scan any media.
When run as canola -vv the following error is printed during scan:

File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/dbus/service.py", line 696, in _message_cb
retval = candidate_method(self, *args, **keywords)
File "canolad/daemon.py", line 245, in scan_all_paths
AttributeError: 'Daemon' object has no attribute 'mger_tab'

1222900497.8579 INFO ui:313:stop() Rescan timeout, finishing before unlock signal.

All video and audio menus show "No items found"

[Hrw]

I installed beta9 on 770 with OS2006 as a test does this device could be used as media player.

Selecting MP3 file from local storage (internal flash) require several seconds wait on 'playing' screen before song will be played at all.

[handful]

HRw: you're facing a really heavy known problem from the gregale (2006): Dbus version is quite old and it takes really a while to the "play" command to be properly executed and return to canola. So indeed it takes a long time.

Those kind of issues made us drop support for those devices / firmware versions:
we cannot upgrade it's dbus (it would break the basic software) and then we are stuck with the problem.

Sorry for the trouble, but this problem is way beyond our capabilities for now. Maybe we could improve it, but we are focused on chinook and diablo only.

BR

Marcelo

[Red]

I frequently get an issue where, if I try to select the middle of a podcast before it starts playing - drag the slider to the middle of a track before playback starts - then Canola locks up completely, forcing me to press home, then kill the process. I also kill canolad. Half the time this works, but the other half I am forced to re-boot the tablet. Could this be a python issue?

Happy to post logs if you let me know what you need.

Also, when listing podcasts, the time between selecting one to play and the "click" response can be 4-6 seconds.

[pycage]

Could this be a python issue?

No.

I don't know the Canola source code, but my guess is that Canola waits for a certain response by the mediaplayer backend which doesn't come if you seek before playback starts. This would also explain why the application takes several seconds to respond after clicking. It might wait for an event to happen while the backend is buffering the stream.
It should be reported as a bug to the Canola developers that waiting is fully blocking in this case.

[Red]

Okie doke. Will do.

[handful]

Red: Pycage is indeed right, this is half a bug, half a problem in the Mediaplayer backend, that sometimes takes too much to receive / answer to the dbus or simply doesn't report an error.

But the slide thing it's a known bug, we will just make sure it's on bugzilla and try to fix it!

Marcelo

[psyberjedi]

I posted a bug on page 23 of this thread and I recently found the issue. I had the Diablo Extras repository and another Extras Repository that did not specify a specific version. Once I edited that repo to be the Chinook Extras repo and did an "apt-get install canolad" it upgraded several things and Canola worked.

I know someone else had the problem, so I hope this works for you.

[ralob]

One thing I would love is for there to be a bookmark feature for those of us with extensive audiobook collections. It is especially helpful when some files are over an hour long. It can be a pain to remember where you left off when switching between files.

Besides that, this is a pretty brilliant mediacenter- if a little bit of a memory hog.

[handful]

Ralob : yeah, as it's graphic intensive it indeed uses more memory, but I can assure you that apart from that we made a lot of improvements from memory consumptions from version 1 :)

About the bookmark, still a buggy feature (in podcast only) but I've started am audio book plugin to Canola with some university students, that will fullfill this :)

Marcelo

[ralob]

Ralob : yeah, as it's graphic intensive it indeed uses more memory, but I can assure you that apart from that we made a lot of improvements from memory consumptions from version 1 :)

About the bookmark, still a buggy feature (in podcast only) but I've started am audio book plugin to Canola with some university students, that will fullfill this :)

Marcelo

I looked at Beta10 and it does seem to be much improved. :)

Awesome news about the plugin. Any idea on a potential release date? I love listening to audiobooks on the way to classes, so it is much appreciated.

[handful]

The students started the project couple of weeks ago, the design is ready and they are developing it :) I will not try to guess a date, but I hope they managed to release a preview in a couple of weeks :) let's see how they perform :)

Marcelo

[OVK]

Another small bug (OS2006 on Nokia 770): the clock on Canola is three hours late.

I suppose that clock on Canola shows the GMT (winter time) because I live on time zone that is two hours ahead of GMT and we apply the daylight saving time at the moment.

EDIT: And now when we are back at winter time the clock is just two hours late. What am I doing wrong?

[desiv]

I finally got Canola 2 beta 9 - maemo1 to install and run on my 770 os2006.
Basic features seem to be working well. (Playing music and videos)

I am having problems with C2-tube tho.

I can search for videos fine, but when I select one, I get the error:
Unable to resolve video url.

I have C2-tube 0.1.3-maemo1 installed.

I searched for that error phrase on this forum and didn't find it.

Thanks,

desiv

[echo5lim]

I just updated my N810 and reinstalled Canola but the YouTube plugin doesn't work anymore. I can see the thumbnails and title under Most Viewed, but doesn't play when I click on it. It said "Unable to resolve video url. Check your connection and try again." And my connection is good. Please help.

[desiv]

I found this thread in the apps forum, so it looks like maybe google changed something. uktube is working for me, as a backup.

http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24513

desiv

[johsua]

I searched the thread a bit, but found nothing concerning the fact that the tuning plugin no longer interfaces with the browser to make adding podcasts easier. This is documented here:

http://openbossa.indt.org/canola/using.html#imedia

I am apologize if this has already been covered.

[handful]

Hello guys,

We received the bug report couple of days ago, and it seems that the api to get the videos have changed so we need to launch again a new version of the plugin.

We are testing a release for next week and it will solve this issue.

Marcelo

[heron61]

I just upgraded to the new version of Canola Beta 9 that just came out, and the contents of my playlists vanished. The playlists still show up, but there's nothing in any of them. Is there some way to solve this & is this going to happen with all upgrades of Canola?

Also, my album art still doesn't show up (it didn't show up before this upgrade either), but it sounds like this is a common problem with Diablo (which I'm using). Should this revision of Beta 9 have solved the album art problem, or should I just wait for Beta 10?

Other than those two issues, Canola is a gem.

[xvila]

Hi all:

Any news regarding YouTube plugin working again ??
I still get the "unable to resolve video url"

Thanks