[Canola] Canola and Diablo

[Reggie]

What's needed to run Canola in Diablo? Anything to fix on the base repository link?

[penguinbait]

What's needed to run Canola in Diablo? Anything to fix on the base repository link?


I added
http://repository.maemo.org/extras
chinook
free non-free

I installed open ssh, but I did not try canola. Its in the list though?

[hfw01]

I have Canola installed with Diablo, and it seems to be behaving fine. Don't forget to backup your settings before flashing.

-hal

[mrlanrat]

Adding chinook extras did it for me.

[nikolajhendel]

Canola works like a charm on diablo.
installed canola + tuning plugin + upnp plugin + youtube plugin.

Everything works as before

[handful]

Guys, For now unfortunately you need to add the chinook repositories.
We are trying to fix this, but this is indeed not as easy as it should be, and we only new of the release today like everyone else : /


MArcelo

[crabolsky]

Guys, For now unfortunately you need to add the chinook repositories.
We are trying to fix this, but this is indeed not as easy as it should be, and we only new of the release today like everyone else : /


MArcelo

Ive tried manually adding the chinook repo. and then adding the canola repo, but it fails to update. WHat is the easiest way to add repositories? The link earlier in the post doesn't go to a download page. It goes to the maemo extras parent directory.

[GeneralAntilles]

Ive tried manually adding the chinook repo. and then adding the canola repo, but it fails to update. WHat is the easiest way to add repositories? The link earlier in the post doesn't go to a download page. It goes to the maemo extras parent directory.

What Canola repo? The only repo you need to add is Chinook Extras.

[crabolsky]

What Canola repo? The only repo you need to add is Chinook Extras.

I meant the canola base repository (as shown on the canola website)

At any rate I worked out the problem. I just didn't name the repo properly. For anyone wondering... Here is the correct add:

Catalog name: maemo Extras chinook
Web address: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/
Distrbution: chinook
Components: free non-free

:)

[Benson]

The name doesn't matter. Glad you got it working, whatever's different.

[TokyoDan]

Adding chinook extras did it for me too. But the App manager displayy "canola-tuning" and "canola-tuning-plugin". Which one should I install?


Canola works like a charm on diablo.
installed canola + tuning plugin + upnp plugin + youtube plugin.

Everything works as before

[GeneralAntilles]

Adding chinook extras did it for me too. But the App manager displayy "canola-tuning" and "canola-tuning-plugin". Which one should I install?

canola-tuning-plugin

[handful]

The Canola-tuniing plugin is the latest one, which integrates INTO canola, the older (canola-plugin) is kept on the list just to provide the browser Feed handler to easy your life if you want :)

Marcelo

[munky261]

i just installed canola on diablo...is there a reason there is no "videos" option on the main screen?

[handful]

Hi Munky,

No theres not : / I flashed 2 n800 of mine installed Canola (just enabled the extras with chinook as repo) and everything worked fine.

Can you provide more info? What other software you installed..etc?

Also : if you can run on xterm with -vvv it can shows why the video plugin is not loading.

Marcelo

[munky261]

pretty long list...needless to say, it wasnt anything i didnt have before any ideas what could cause it to try to narrow the list down?

[handful]

if the plugin is not loading, there's a [ERROR] line, can you try grepping or narrowing down by it? If you can send me via private messagr or email even the whole list is helpful!

handful AT gmail

Marcelo

[b-man]

I'm getting the same problem, no video icon :(

[b-man]

here's an error log file i created:

[handful]

B-man : can you tell me which other apps / repositories you have on your diablo device? I need to know that because 4 flashed devices, only activating extras (with chinook as distribution) all installed Canola perfectly with upnp, youtube and last.fm.

I am not able to reproduce this bug ;/ I need more info from you guys...

Apps,
Repositories you may have

BR

Marcelo

[JayJay]

I'm having Canola problems too. Yesterday everything was fine. I had all the Canola plug-ins installed, and everything worked. Today, when I clicked on Canola, it said "Canola - loading" and then it did nothing. It refused to start. I tried to reinstall it, but it still wouldn't start. So, I reflashed Diablo. I tried to install it again, and now it started, but this time there's no video icon, like the others have said. There's also no icons for internet radio and podcasts. I reflashed again, and installed Canola first without installing or changing anything else, I didn't use a backup either. Same problem. How is it that it was working fine yesterday, and won't work today?

[handful]

JayJay:

Simple : some files must be going into the official diablo packages, and are conflicting now. that's why I created the post saying about that it's a little bit more dangerous than it seems to go straight to diablo. As you can see on Maemo's Guys posts they are aware that are not applications on diablo's repositories, we are rushing to compile CAnola with Diablo's SDK but we need the other components, so we are rushing with Python also but Mplayer and some others we are not "maintainer"s than we also need to wait for people to update.

: /

MArcelo

[TrueJournals]

It seems that there was an update to python today that screwed everything up. Python was put in the actual diablo repository, but it doesn't include glade anymore, and judging from what's happening with Canola, that's not the only thing that's missing.

I had Canola working just fine earlier today, I updated my python, and now the video and UPnP icons are missing. Also, going in to music or photos, there is only one icon.

[handful]

Yeah, you're right :

"
There are many people doing this work silently right now, including Nokia developers helping out. You can follow the progress here and ultimately in your device every evening."

This is from Qim Gil announcements, so you know that people is indeed uploading pieces by pieces... that's why things will break : / sorry.

Marcelo

[JayJay]

Don't be sorry, it's not your fault. :)

[handful]

: ) I think it's trauma after all those problematic launches :))))

But let's hope things will be ok soon :) I think Diablo is way better than the others :)

Marcelo

[wartstew]

After upgrading my N810 to Diablo, Canola now only show 3 items in the root menu: Audio, Pictures, & Settings.

So gone is Video, and all inside.

Any ideas about what didn't get installed/upgraded/configured correctly?

[TokyoDan]

I did the upgrade and Canola is perfect so far, although I haven't used it Yet. I installed the following plugins, canola-tuning, upnp, youtube, and also the one for ogg support (this. by the way. allowed the installation of Audio Tag Tool which I couldn't complete successfully before due to lack of ogg library dependencies). The only thing I didn't do (the second time I re-flashed) was restore applications because the first time I did that it screwed up my system and I ended up with TWO identical application menus on the main screen. So I re-flashed and installed everything one at a time. Could that be the source of all of our problems - restoring applications during the flash-install of Diablo?

[Nutz]

After upgrading my N810 to Diablo, Canola now only show 3 items in the root menu: Audio, Pictures, & Settings.

So gone is Video, and all inside.

Any ideas about what didn't get installed/upgraded/configured correctly?


I can see the video icon, but Canola can't see any video files (it can see music) - I'm streaming from my XP laptop and the sream is coming via Windoze Media Player - it worked fine before

[TokyoDan]

On my N810 with Diable and canolo 2 I searched for a Amy Winehouse video, found it and it's playing fine now.

[handful]

wartstew : please read the previous post in this same thread. The problem is related to the new way diablo / maemo are going to work, and some packages are being changed in the servers in several components. So we cannot guarantee a stable build now.

BR

MArcelo

[overfloat]

I noticed one more bug - i cant control the volume when playing an mp3 using the touch screen anymore, when i press on the volume bar it drops to zero. I can increase the volume with the zoom buttons though - anyone else experiencing this?

[handful]

Over: we are not even looking into "bugs" because there's not a Diablo build. So only when we officially compile with Diablo, with Python's final version for Diablo and so on we will start accepting bugs from it.

Marcelo

*PS : again : things will "change" "out of nothing" because software versions are being uploaded to diablo's repos. So please be aware that the experience will be this.. a mix of emotions :)

Marcelo

[overfloat]

Sorry, i used the incorrect terminology, instead of 'bug' i meant 'incompatibility'

[handful]

Over: No problem :) Just telling you that what you have installed is by no means, a Diablo version of canola :) it's a "hack" :)

Marcelo

[beatniks3]

i feel like such a newbie, but i have tried to download the extras needed to run canola in diablo from the links in the beginning of the post but i can't seem to figure out what or how to download the extras. could someone dumb it down for me?

thanks much

[handful]

Beatnik: you don't " need " to download.
Just go to your application installer. Then in the menu, search for application catalogues.

You're going to see one "extras" or " maemo extras" that is disabled. click on it to edit it, and enable it.. you just need to add the name chinook to the distribution input.

Save, refresh and then try again

BUT: remember what we have been saing : this is not a recommended diablo version, it's a hack, and diablo packages are being generated for all applications and components, so you WILL face problems.

Marcelo

[TokyoDan]

Man This is ****ED UP! I'm going to sell my N810 and buy something that is ORGANIZED like an iPhone 3G! I always wondered about this "open source" stuff and also wondered if it wasn't a crock of **** with a bunch of undisciplined hackers adding layer upon layer of shitty and buggy software. Well this is swayiing me towards thinking that the disciplined way of apple and their upcoming app store is the way to go. Makes things a lot easier for both users and developers.

[beatniks3]

Beatnik: you don't " need " to download.
Just go to your application installer. Then in the menu, search for application catalogues.

You're going to see one "extras" or " maemo extras" that is disabled. click on it to edit it, and enable it.. you just need to add the name chinook to the distribution input.

Save, refresh and then try again

BUT: remember what we have been saing : this is not a recommended diablo version, it's a hack, and diablo packages are being generated for all applications and components, so you WILL face problems.

Marcelo
thanks i'll give that a try, i will keep in mind what you say about it not being recommended. i have a cloned chinook os on sd with working canola so i would just be experimenting with trying it with canola in diablo.

[JayJay]

Man This is ****ED UP! I'm going to sell my N810 and buy something that is ORGANIZED like an iPhone 3G! I always wondered about this "open source" stuff and also wondered if it wasn't a crock of **** with a bunch of undisciplined hackers adding layer upon layer of shitty and buggy software. Well this is swayiing me towards thinking that the disciplined way of apple and their upcoming app store is the way to go. Makes things a lot easier for both users and developers.

Go ahead. Enjoy the two year contract that comes with it.

[bettik]

For a desperate soul, temporary 'fix' is to get rid of diablo repo and reinstall python2.5 from chinook repo. After that canola works fine.

[rhouge]

I upgraded to Diablo, not restoring backup. When I got everything loaded, I went and restored just the app catalog. It asked me if I wanted to auto install all of the apps I had previoously installed, but I thought it would take the opportunity to purge some if the apps I didnt use and chose not to auto install.

From there I didnt edit any repos, didnt add "Diablo" to anything as it seemed that the apps I cared about were all in the list, Canola being the most important for me. I installed Canola 2 first, then the Last.FM and Youtube plugins and my old favorite flat black theme. I did not need to explicitly install Python or anything, though MPlayer was installed automatically for me. Everything seems to work, I was able to download my podcasts this morning and it seems I have all icons present, though i have not tried to play any videos yet.

One thing I did notice was that the volume was very low, much lower than it was in Chinook. I made sure that all sliders were up all the way, both system and Canola, but it still seemed too quiet for me. I know there is a hack to increase these somewhere, so I'll search and try to find that. It was somewhat of a problem with Chinook, but much more with Diablo...or maybe all those punk and metal shows are finally catching up with me ;)

Tchau

[josiahg777]

I've noticed the decreased volume as well, so I don't think it's just your ears. Canola is noticeably quieter under diablo even with all the volume sliders up.

I'm just thankful for how well it works even if it's compiled for Chinook :)

[overfloat]

Man This is ****ED UP! I'm going to sell my N810 and buy something that is ORGANIZED like an iPhone 3G! I always wondered about this "open source" stuff and also wondered if it wasn't a crock of **** with a bunch of undisciplined hackers adding layer upon layer of shitty and buggy software. Well this is swayiing me towards thinking that the disciplined way of apple and their upcoming app store is the way to go. Makes things a lot easier for both users and developers.

You seem to have become lost from the apple fanboy community. I dont see how what happened to canola is any different from what will happen when apple updates their iphone firmware - some apps will need to be updated to work properly. If by 'makes things a lot easier for developers' you mean forcing them to learn to use apples proprietary standards, not to mention the 2gb size limit and price cap apple has placed on the software.... who is going to make an app bigger than 2gb you say? its not that you will, its that you CAN.....

[munky261]

damn dan...who pissed in your cheerios?

[JayJay]

Well, I got Canola working properly on Diablo today. :D I uninstalled the copy that wasn't working along with the Python packages, then I disabled all the application catalogs except for the Chinook Extras which was manually added, and then I redownloaded Canola from the Web catalog on the Application manager. Now it's working with the plug-ins too. :)

[deeteroderdas]

damn dan...who pissed in your cheerios?

Although dan may have gone a bit overboard, I do agree that some prior coordination between Nokia and some of the more prominent developers (such as the Canola developers) should have occurred before Diablo's release. It might have helped ease the transition, and not have people scrambling to recompile, find old software to get things to work, etc.

Mitch

[Baloo]

I'm not liking Nokia's roll-out of Diablo from a developers perspective. Shouldn't issues like these (and I'm seeing them too with my packages) of been resolved before the official release? Also for the indt guys not to be told in advance of a major release when they produce some of the more critical apps for the tablet is pretty shameless IMHO.

[munky261]

id definitely have to agree with you there mitch. how do you say clusterf**k in finland> lol

[TrueJournals]

While I agree that the release seems rushed, it needed to happen. It's a lot easier to make developers comply with rquests if they're forced to. If Nokia had waited on developerrs to be ready, we could be waiting for Diablo for a while.

[handful]

Hi guys,

Yes, I agree with the points, end while we were "keeping" canola working with diablo as we could, I think the point here is the new " way " of working, that there was maybe another way to do (like make it closed beta, then open a little bit and so on) so this would be " smooth " for the "end-user" profile.

What I have seen is that : if you have a release, people WILL install it. and as much as we need this update as developers and hardcore users, the majority of users will not " acceppt " the problem. So :

a. this is needed. unfortunately there will be this space between the transition
b. I believe it could have been done quietly (not only with US and other "big" devs , but with all interested developers out there...) and then after the basics were done then opened to the public.

BUT talk when we are outside is always easier ... so I will not take for granted that it could have been done differently.

BR

Marcelo

[TokyoDan]

How about an iPod touch? no two-year contract.

Anyway I came home pissed and pissed off last night. I had a very bad day yesterday and just felt like letting off steam...

I went into Akihabara (geek heaven in Tokyo) to buy USB cables and adapters so that I can hook my MP3 recorder to the N810 in order to xfer recordings to the N10 for upload to my website. I also especially wanted to visit a Tully's coffee shop that has the NTT "Flets Spot" wireless service to setup my N810 on it (I'm already setup for FON and Wireless Gate). I couldn't get logged on. So I tried to call NTT support center only to find that my Softbank cell phone didn't work.

I had just picked it up yesterday morning after it had been sent for repairs. The Softbank shop where I picked it up opened 15 minutes late and my phone was returned to me by a young air-headed girl with long bejeweled fingernails which gave her great trouble when taking out the battery in order to insert the SIMM card. While she was doing this she got a phone call from her boss during which she apologized for oversleeping. Well she returned the phone without testing it and I was stupid enough to trust her.

Anyway the Softbank shop where I picked up my phone is near my home and Akihabara where I was when I discovered that my phone didn't work is an hour train ride into Tokyo. So needless to say I was unsuccessful in getting my N810 setup to use NTT'S Flets Spot. So my trip to Akihabara and the 10 to 15 dollars that it costs went half down the drain (I did get the adapter I wanted though).

Don't worry though, I still love my N810. I just like things to work.

But before I go, here's anther rant...in Akihabara, the biggest electronics center in the world, there isn't one USB cable with a micro USB plug - the type used by the N810. Why did Nokia have to go with such a stupid unstandardized and rare USB jack? There's enough room on the N810 for a mini USB jack.

[handful]

Hi tokyo :

The ipod touch is a solid multimedia dude. There's actually a couple of things we (from Canola team) would like to be able to have, but at the same time those are the biggest drawbacks from the iDevices : liberty to place your media.

Photos always go trhough a "transconding" : this is great because it makes sure the UI will be always " snappy " but you have a dithered (low quality) photo no matter how good is your camera.

Videos always go through filtering : only the specific h264 formats will go into and this is quite boring as you will have to convert almost any internet video nowdays : /

And the same for music and so on.

in the end this comes to a point I'm writing a small article about :

" Balancing freedom and User experience" : how to deal in the opensource based device world with the needs of highly experienced users x the need of having a responsive UI and a concise user experience across multiple platforms in not so powered devices.

But I need to agree with you in some points: Maemo could be way better by now. It's something not easy to understand why it is still so " not-ready " for prime time : /

Marcelo

[amigokin]

Go ahead. Enjoy the two year contract that comes with it.

If you jailbreak the iPhone you don't need any contract and it's the only two clicks hack you'll ever need to make it work.

Can we say the same thing with ours tablet? I don't think so...

[josiahg777]

well... obviously! The tablets have no need to be "jailbroken" :P

And there's a lot of great quality software out there that can be installed on jailbroken iPhones, but there's also a lot of great quality software that can be installed on our NITs :P

@TokyoDan: I use a micro usb to mini usb adapter that Motorola makes for their Razr phone, it was pretty easy to find on Amazon and cheap too (to the tune of 27 cents or so) But I agree, micro instead of mini is not really a space saver in the least :/

[TokyoDan]

The reason I went overboard last night, besides my bad day, was hearing how some N810 users are jumping through hoops to get things working with Diablo. That's what set me off. But I7ve been having great success with Diablo and Canola works fine so far - no problems, although I don't know about the lower volume on Diablo as I didn't have much time to use Canola on Chinook. So I can't make a comparison. I wonder why so many people are having problems with Canola on Diablo. Could it be conflicts with other installed 3rd party software?

When I was in systems integration, many times I was called out after 5PM on a Friday night because our "sneaker net" swapable hard drives stopped working on our customers' Macintoshes. After troubleshooting for hours I found (most of the time) that the drives weren't being recognized because of some dam unneccessary extension that the customer installed/enabled on his Mac. I know that "The customer is always right" but I wanted to kill the sucker for screwing up my Friday night. In those days I prayed for closed systems that the customer couldn't f*** up.


Hi tokyo :

The ipod touch is a solid multimedia dude. There's actually a couple of things we (from Canola team) would like to be able to have, but at the same time those are the biggest drawbacks from the iDevices : liberty to place your media.

Photos always go trhough a "transconding" : this is great because it makes sure the UI will be always " snappy " but you have a dithered (low quality) photo no matter how good is your camera.

Videos always go through filtering : only the specific h264 formats will go into and this is quite boring as you will have to convert almost any internet video nowdays : /

And the same for music and so on.

in the end this comes to a point I'm writing a small article about :

" Balancing freedom and User experience" : how to deal in the opensource based device world with the needs of highly experienced users x the need of having a responsive UI and a concise user experience across multiple platforms in not so powered devices.

But I need to agree with you in some points: Maemo could be way better by now. It's something not easy to understand why it is still so " not-ready " for prime time : /

Marcelo

[TokyoDan]

Thanks for the info. Is this the cable you mean? If so, I'm going to order it.

http://www.amazon.com/Motorola-RAZR2-Original-Micro-Adapter/dp/B0014S4M10/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=wireless&qid=1214915267&sr=8-2


well... obviously! The tablets have no need to be "jailbroken" :P

And there's a lot of great quality software out there that can be installed on jailbroken iPhones, but there's also a lot of great quality software that can be installed on our NITs :P

@TokyoDan: I use a micro usb to mini usb adapter that Motorola makes for their Razr phone, it was pretty easy to find on Amazon and cheap too (to the tune of 27 cents or so) But I agree, micro instead of mini is not really a space saver in the least :/

[JayJay]

If you jailbreak the iPhone you don't need any contract and it's the only two clicks hack you'll ever need to make it work.

Can we say the same thing with ours tablet? I don't think so...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't the new 3G iPhone not been jailbroken yet? And how are you going to buy one without a contract? Who's going to sell it to you?

[rhouge]

Update on the volume issue: I added the following lines to mplayer.conf based on another thread:

softvol = yes
softvol-max = 500

That seems to help most of the playback volume, but not all. For example my BBC News podcast on which I am completely addicted to (you gotta love Max Pierson) is still playing quite. Something tells me that this particular feed is not going through mplayer and is therefore not affected by the volume uncapping. Any other BBC listeners noticing this? If so, is there a fix?

Thanks!

[YoDude]

Ah!... Like an Italian sports car Canola sure looks pretty, goes like hell, and when you really need it... it's in the shop. :D

With the 4th of July coming and our American tendency to celebrate our independence by drinking large amounts of beer, roasting and eating beast, and comparing lawns with our neighbors I was hoping to show off my N800 and its 6 GB music library using Canola.

I guess I'll fire up the metalayer-crawler again and use the built in Media Player. I've tried all the techniques outlined in this thread with no luck... I'll wait for the Diablo build of Canola.

[handful]

YoDude : if it was our fault for being on the shop I would take the hit :) but this time due, believe it's way beyond our hands. I again believe the Tablet OS needs this change, but it should have been done closed and then released to the public : /

JayJay : I don't know in the US, but in several countries you have the option of buying unlocked, but then it goes from 199 to more than 500 USD.

BR

Marcelo

[wartstew]

I think a lot of these flustered user upgrade problems could be solved by just a little more communication.

For example, I was fine once I learned Canola was supposed to be broken under Diablo. When it is working again, I'll be real happy and re-install it. In the meanwhile there are lots of alternative programs I can use (try doing that on an iphone, then try doing it for free!).

Maybe next time there is some sort of upgrade that breaks a lot of stuff, we can have a list that end users can easily find that simply lists what isn't working yet so we don't pull our hair out trying to fix something us mere users can't fix.

Oh yea, and to that Apple troll, go ahead and sell your soul to Apple. I can hardly wait until some must-have app you run doesn't work with some new Apple firmware update and NEVER WILL because the company that made it lost interest in the product or went under! In the open source would stuff lives on until we in the community lose interest in it! The more I learn about the iPhone/ITouch stuff, the more I'm glad I didn't go that way. I hate feeling so trapped.

[munky261]

is anyone else getting the bug of composers or something showing up when you select "genre" view?

[handful]

Hy Munky, this is a known bug on the actual beta, it seems that some id3 versions are imcompatible with our code in that manner, we fixed (at least we think) for the next beta, but it always help if you have one song there that you could send me that generates the problems.

Earlier versions of id3 are the most problematic (generate numbers in the genre view) : /

Marcelo

[munky261]

what is showing isnt numbers , it looks as if its the composer(s) and it is for every song.... genres worked fine before diablo and i cant figure out where its reading it from cause i erased the composer section of the tag for every song...i edited every tag of every mp3 manually and all that is there is track number , title , album, artist , and in some cases album artist and finally genre

[ravenmsb]

yeah I upgraded to Diablo and it broke my Canola too :( seems to be a problem with python. I have all my icons but the wording on the menu's is blank anyway we understand that you have a great deal of hard work and we do appreciate your effort to bring us great toys for out Tablets take your time and don't stress over it :D

[Bundyo]

The text problem is well known, search in the forum.

[Vrette]

Yeah, you guys are doing a great job. I finally broke down and converted my FLAC files to MP3 so I could use Canola, and then upgraded to Diablo and broke Canola. Back to the cruddy media player, but I'm looking forward to when Canola is working in its full glory.

Should have my 32GB SDHC card on Monday. I'll let you now how it goes.

[Bundyo]

How did you broke it?

[osne]

This probably won't be a well like question for some, but I was wondering, if there is anyway to make Canola faster?

It's working all nice and pretty for me, under Diablo, and even noticed a very slight increase in speed (faster) when scanning for music playback. There's the thing though, there should not be any sort of scanning when playing back music and that delay during each track is really an annoyance. Anyway to take care of this situation (even at the cost of battery comsumption?)

[J0ph33]

hiho

i finally updated my N810 to diablo today and everything works fine except canola

i made a backup and after insalling the backup i let the application manager install my former apps, including canola and some plugins...

canola started well (it was loading the default skin instead of deep blue, but wayne) but the real problem is: there is absolutely NO TEXT!

icons working, music playback works, video plaback worls, amount of icons is correct but i can't read a single word in canola because there are none!

so it's quite complicated to browse your music when you only see a bunch of empty bars

i reinstalled canola twice, but it didn't change the situation at all :(

[timsalmon]

The short answer is that it ain't fixed yet. Just be patient with the team who are working on it.

Tim

[J0ph33]

ah ok, what's the long answer?

i mean, i just read this thread (not every post...) but it seems that i am pretty alone with this problem...many people do not have any problem or completely different ones...there must be a reason ;)

[Bundyo]

The long answer is that you're using development repositories, Canola guys can't help that.

Here:
http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=200128

[J0ph33]

ok, can I expect that this issue will be fixed by the canola makers with the next version or should i do the procedure shown in the link (i don't know what repositories are, so this might be a bit problematic)

[Bundyo]

This is not an issue for them probably. It will be fixed eventually though. Dunno when.

[dannemil]

ah ok, what's the long answer?

i mean, i just read this thread (not every post...) but it seems that i am pretty alone with this problem...many people do not have any problem or completely different ones...there must be a reason ;)

same problem here after diablo upgrade, canola reinstall from backed up apps - NO TEXT. makes it nearly impossible to know what you are doing in canola.

[munky261]

i just instaled the redpill operating system update...python2.5 is all that was updated i now have full functionality of canola under diablo!!!

[Un27Pee]

Re: Canola and Diablo
i just instaled the redpill operating system update...python2.5 is all that was updated i now have full functionality of canola under diablo!!!


I did the same and voila everything is there, so no one could simply tell us do this and problem solved, in redpill mode there is a long list but only update python 2.5 thanks munky261

[munky261]

seems funny doesnt it lol...cant believe im the first person to do it and notice...went thru everything and absolutely everything is workin fine

[cfrantz]

i just instaled the redpill operating system update...python2.5 is all that was updated i now have full functionality of canola under diablo!!!
Munky, which repository are you using? I have chinook extras (not diablo extras). the red pill update didnt change anything for me

[TrueJournals]

I just enabled diablo extras-devel, and in red pill mode updated "Operating System." Canola seems to now work great! Woo-hoo! Note: be careful what you install from extras-devel. A lot of things (ex: xournal) will not work.

[munky261]

i have all the repositories from gronmayer.com installed minus a coule i dont need and i have extras-devel disabled

[etrunko]

Hey all, good news for everyone. It is now available in diablo extras-devel. This is just a backport of beta9 version and all bugs for this version still remain there. It took almost 3 weeks to fix all the bugs in EFL packages and adjust them to the new builder infrastructure.

And because of the autobuilder, we could not build the ogg support for canola. We must wait until the ogg guys upload their packages to the extras-devel repositories.

I'll finish to upload the plugin packages today and as soon as the packages are ready and tested, I'll move them to extras.

Finally, you won't find the Canola section in application manager. It is now under Multimedia section, following the Maemo packaging policy.

[Vrette]

I know there are some workarounds to get Canola working properly under Diablo, but I've been holding out for the "official" fix. This is great news. Thanks!

[wartstew]

Thanks for getting Canola into the Diablo reposistory. It installed for me with no problems. Great to have the program back, almost ...

Is it possible to move the Canola plugins into the Diablo repository too? I previously removed the Chinook one in hopes of avoiding conflicts, confusion, and other problems.

[etrunko]

Yeah, I'm working on uploading the plugins and themes at this very moment. The themes are already there.

[Vrette]

So I have a dumb question. Do I need to add the Diablo extras catalog, since I do not see one listed in the Application catalog list (even though I updated to Diablo). Or is the Diablo extras the same as the Maemo extras which is currently disabled by default?

Thanks

[etrunko]

Hi Vrette. You need to add the extras-devel repository. It's still on testing phase and I prefer to ensure that everything is running well before moving it to extras. One thing to notice is that Canola2 package is now under the 'Multimedia' section, following the new maemo packaging policy. You won't find it under the 'Canola' section as it used to be.

Maemo extras-devel repository

Web address: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel
Distribution: diablo
Components: free non-free

[Vrette]

I'm a complete noob, but I get it now, Hopefully this will do the trick. One more question, Should I disable the chinook extras? thnx so much

update: I took a flyer and went ahead and installed canola2 after adding the repository. it works. thanks again.


Hi Vrette. You need to add the extras-devel repository. It's still on testing phase and I prefer to ensure that everything is running well before moving it to extras. One thing to notice is that Canola2 package is now under the 'Multimedia' section, following the new maemo packaging policy. You won't find it under the 'Canola' section as it used to be.

Maemo extras-devel repository

Web address: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel
Distribution: diablo
Components: free non-free

[memson]

Hi tokyo :
Photos always go trhough a "transconding" : this is great because it makes sure the UI will be always " snappy " but you have a dithered (low quality) photo no matter how good is your camera.

No this is not true. For example, I can get the iPod 5th gen to store both 'optimised' and originals. The same is true for the newer iDevices too. All you need to do is check the "upload full resolution images" checkbox.


Videos always go through filtering : only the specific h264 formats will go into and this is quite boring as you will have to convert almost any internet video nowdays : /


But, how do I fit my DVD in to my iPod without transcoding? Seriously..? I just use Handbrake, it created iPod files (optimised for TV) and also puts in the chaper markers. Chapter markers are a BIG deal... any player without chaper markers is a step down ;-) (and this, again, is a 5th gen iPod)

Files of other type... I have never got my N800 to play *any* video without transcoding... except very low res quicktime... the type of low res quicktime that plays on ipods happily (do you see the irony there? ;-)


And the same for music and so on.


Eh? My music is in MP3 or AAC format. The files are transferable to and from the iPod (in fact my N800 has now got stuff I grabbed off of my iPod last night on it.) Apple doesn't allow the reverse transfer with their tools, but there are at plenty of Windows and Mac tools that do this for free.

I think you are making a bigger deal about being "tied" by the iDevices than is really true.

[memson]

Does anyone else find that Canola will play short portions of random MP3's between songs and just plain hang about half way through an album? It might be the SD card I guess... except, the built in media player just "works".

[Gorgon]

No this is not true. For example, I can get the iPod 5th gen to store both 'optimised' and originals. The same is true for the newer iDevices too. All you need to do is check the "upload full resolution images" checkbox.

While this is true, the device doesn't use the full resolution version for viewing, only storage. So it is true that the photos are optimized to be viewed on the iDevice screen and those are the only ones able to be viewed on the device. When you check the box and it loads the full rez versions you don't have two copies to view, do you?

[memson]

While this is true, the device doesn't use the full resolution version for viewing, only storage. So it is true that the photos are optimized to be viewed on the iDevice screen and those are the only ones able to be viewed on the device. When you check the box and it loads the full rez versions you don't have two copies to view, do you?

When you check the box it creates the optimised version and also copues the full res ones too, yes. Also, on the 5th gen ipod, the restrictions of the screen are met in such a way that it is completely pointless to burden the device with the conversion. You still have the full versions one the device and can access them easily through USB. Now, the iphone might be another story, but it's not what i'm getting at. The ipod still displays my photos in a way that is completely sensible, given the physical restrictions of the device.

[Laughing Man]

For distribution can i put a line like.

chinook diablo

If i want access to both?

[Rezigrene]

How do I jump to red pill mode and update python? I want to get my plugins to work...

[GeneralAntilles]

Files of other type... I have never got my N800 to play *any* video without transcoding... except very low res quicktime... the type of low res quicktime that plays on ipods happily (do you see the irony there? ;-)


Yes, well, anecdotes aren't really useful metrics for measure media playback capabilities.

[YoDude]

When is this expected to be released for Diablo???

If you go here >> http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/multimedia/
and click to install, it asks to enable the extras repo but when you do, it then reports that the app can not be found.

By released I mean in the correct repository with updated dependencies. :)

[mfortner]

search diablo extras-devel for the URL and info to enter into a new catalog entry in the App Manager. Then disable it after installation. Otherwise you'll see dev updates that you may not be ready to work out the bugs for on your own.

[YoDude]

search diablo extras-devel for the URL and info to enter into a new catalog entry in the App Manager. Then disable it after installation. Otherwise you'll see dev updates that you may not be ready to work out the bugs for on your own.

Yeah but no. :)

By released I mean in the correct repository with updated dependencies.

[handful]

No this is not true. For example, I can get the iPod 5th gen to store both 'optimised' and originals. The same is true for the newer iDevices too. All you need to do is check the "upload full resolution images" checkbox.

Hi again : you will never use full 5mpixel photos on the iphone. As you said, it would be pointless to "see" but for most of users, they just want to plug the SD straight from their cameras to the device. This would never be really smoothly fast on the iphone. So it's not lie as you said...

But, how do I fit my DVD in to my iPod without transcoding? Seriously..? I just use Handbrake, it created iPod files (optimised for TV) and also puts in the chaper markers. Chapter markers are a BIG deal... any player without chaper markers is a step down ;-) (and this, again, is a 5th gen iPod)
that's the point also : you are doing 2 comparisons :
a) Tv quality is lower than 640x480, and this would not be fullscreen n the ipod and for playback they can scale down to qvga, and again: it's a dedicated playback device. So they can of course play bigger resolutions with a litte bit less effort.

b) you are transcoding with handbrake already because mp2 would never play on the ipod.




Files of other type... I have never got my N800 to play *any* video without transcoding... except very low res quicktime... the type of low res quicktime that plays on ipods happily (do you see the irony there? ;-)

I don't agree with you but as iphone can pllay good quality videos, thres one catch: try to play any other formats? :)

I am not defending or being blind. Theres a lot of issues that need to be ironed out and the need to say that is in a constructive way, but comparisons need to made in a fair way. iphone is a great device, but it comes with a price. Then you need to see how much do you wanna pay? I was trying to use the iphone nw that I am on vacations, but the simple lack of bluetooth dialup network profile... kills the use for me:(



Quote:
Originally Posted by handful View Post
And the same for music and so on.
Eh? My music is in MP3 or AAC format. The files are transferable to and from the iPod (in fact my N800 has now got stuff I grabbed off of my iPod last night on it.) Apple doesn't allow the reverse transfer with their tools, but there are at plenty of Windows and Mac tools that do this for free.

I think you are making a bigger deal about being "tied" by the iDevices than is really true.

[etrunko]

For distribution can i put a line like.

chinook diablo

If i want access to both?

No you can't. This is only possible for the "Components" field. You must add another entry to the application catalogue list if you want different distributions.

Best Regards.

[etrunko]

When is this expected to be released for Diablo???

If you go here >> http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/multimedia/
and click to install, it asks to enable the extras repo but when you do, it then reports that the app can not be found.

By released I mean in the correct repository with updated dependencies. :)

It's there right now! With the help from Niels, who set up the non-free queue for diablo extras, the packages are already there. The plugins are on their way to extras too. Just waiting for the repository index to be updated.

[YoDude]

It's there right now! With the help from Niels, who set up the non-free queue for diablo extras, the packages are already there. The plugins are on their way to extras too. Just waiting for the repository index to be updated.

has volumn level been fixed? And by "there now" does this mean I can install it with Canola's very own "click to install" button?

[handful]

Yodude

We are double checking the install file, but its safer to go straight to the application manager / multmedia..

BR

[jhoff80]

Just wondering, even though its probably safe to use the Chinook repository for it, will the other themes be added to Diablo Extras anytime soon?

Edit: Never mind, they're just not in the multimedia section like Canola, but in the themes section, which doesn't make sense to me, but whatever :D

[klinglerware]

Tried to update via application manager, I'm getting the message that I can't install due to missing packages:
flash-and-reboot
initfs-flasher
kernel-diablo-flasher
liblightmediascanner0

I have all my chinook repositories currently disabled, fwiw.

[jhoff80]

Tried to update via application manager, I'm getting the message that I can't install due to missing packages:
flash-and-reboot
initfs-flasher
kernel-diablo-flasher
liblightmediascanner0

I have all my chinook repositories currently disabled, fwiw.

The first 3 are an issue that's got nothing to do with Canola. I fixed this just the other day, by doing sudo gainroot followed by apt-get -f install in terminal.

[MikeL]

Just wanted to thank etrunko & Canola Team for update to allow us to now install Canola2 on Diablo OS without frigging any package locations. ;)

I have (last couple of days) installed Canola2 (Diablo OS) using the OS Application Manager along with the YouTube, LastFM and Theme plugins. Canola operates just fine fine and dandy ! :)

I have noted (in my case?) a minor problem with the Cover Art option of My Music. The small thumbnails never seem to be correctly updated (Grey ?) even though when playing a whole album or track from an album; the now playing options correctly display the larger album art! :)

I used built in cover art plugin and switched from "embedded only" option to all options selected i.e. local covers, embedded covers, LastFM & Amazon. (Updated my covers to see if it made any difference?)

I have embedded art and local covers (Folder.jpg) for all my music stored on a 4Gb MMC, the embedded appear to be the only album art available to me via Canola2 with no option to change any cover alternatives i.e. Amazon or Last.FM offerings? (Was connected to internet at time of cover updates)

Apologies if above is already a known and reported problem with cover art plugin.

[fredoll]

It's there right now! With the help from Niels, who set up the non-free queue for diablo extras, the packages are already there. The plugins are on their way to extras too. Just waiting for the repository index to be updated.

Just Seen Canola2 2.0.0~beta9-maemo2 appear in Extras but it cannot be upgraded because it deoends on liblightmediascanner0 (=0.1.10-maemo2) which is not present (in Extras or Extras-Devel).

Went to Red Pill mode and I found an update for liblightmediascanner0 (0.1.10-maemo3) in Extras ...

I suppose there is no new feature or bug fix in this release ... but you know how it is : very hard to see a new version and not be able to install it ...

Hope this helps

Fred

[handful]

Hi Mike

we will take a look at this issue, need to see what is happening to the covers. Did you marked all the sources in the covers? strange behavior..

Lot's of work ahead :)

Marcelo

[rauschd]

Just wanted to thank etrunko & Canola Team for update to allow us to now install Canola2 on Diablo OS without frigging any package locations. ;)

I have (last couple of days) installed Canola2 (Diablo OS) using the OS Application Manager along with the YouTube, LastFM and Theme plugins. Canola operates just fine fine and dandy ! :)

I have noted (in my case?) a minor problem with the Cover Art option of My Music. The small thumbnails never seem to be correctly updated (Grey ?) even though when playing a whole album or track from an album; the now playing options correctly display the larger album art! :)

I used built in cover art plugin and switched from "embedded only" option to all options selected i.e. local covers, embedded covers, LastFM & Amazon. (Updated my covers to see if it made any difference?)

I have embedded art and local covers (Folder.jpg) for all my music stored on a 4Gb MMC, the embedded appear to be the only album art available to me via Canola2 with no option to change any cover alternatives i.e. Amazon or Last.FM offerings? (Was connected to internet at time of cover updates)

Apologies if above is already a known and reported problem with cover art plugin.

Similiar issues here - appears that all cover art is being downloaded from various sources (multiple cover .jpgs in covers directory) however is does not look like the large covers are being resized by canola. There are no cover-small files to match the large covers.

Doug

[etrunko]

Just Seen Canola2 2.0.0~beta9-maemo2 appear in Extras but it cannot be upgraded because it deoends on liblightmediascanner0 (=0.1.10-maemo2) which is not present (in Extras or Extras-Devel).

Went to Red Pill mode and I found an update for liblightmediascanner0 (0.1.10-maemo3) in Extras ...

I suppose there is no new feature or bug fix in this release ... but you know how it is : very hard to see a new version and not be able to install it ...

Hope this helps

Fred


Hummm... Let me guess: You seem to have installed the chinook version right? And maybe ogg-support-lightmediscanner? Lightmediascanner in diablo does not include ogg support due to the new maemo build system, which requires all dependencies to be in extras-devel and unfortunately it's still not the case of ogg (the ones provided by Tuomas Kulve) packages.

[djf_jeff]

Hum, I got an update today (ok, maybe not today because I have not updated my n810 for a while) and Canola work fine for me now. I will post the exact version of the packages if someone want it.

[Comitizer]

Similiar issues here - appears that all cover art is being downloaded from various sources (multiple cover .jpgs in covers directory) however is does not look like the large covers are being resized by canola. There are no cover-small files to match the large covers.

Doug

I have the same issue. However all of my art is embedded. I did leave all of the options checked but it doesn't matter. The art displays correctly in the now playing but it is blank in the cover flow like view.

[handful]

I have the same issue. However all of my art is embedded. I did leave all of the options checked but it doesn't matter. The art displays correctly in the now playing but it is blank in the cover flow like view.

Hy Guys, just to let you know I placed Cover arts (actually tuning + scanner) in high priority for beta10. Let's see if we can find files / covers / that are problematic and fix them. If you an "isolate" problematic files and send to us.. we will gladly add them to the test database and make sure the scanner is not crashing / covers is not dying on them!

if you have doubts how to do so..please private message me!

Marcelo

[heron61]

Hy Guys, just to let you know I placed Cover arts (actually tuning + scanner) in high priority for beta10. When (roughly) is that due out?

[handful]

Hi Guys,

About the button on the phone we talked internally about that and I think Pycage or the other player guys did it so it's not a real problem. And it shouldn't be a problem to canola because you have the basic hardware support now, and better, improved is coming.

[tchak]

Similiar issues here - appears that all cover art is being downloaded from various sources (multiple cover .jpgs in covers directory) however is does not look like the large covers are being resized by canola. There are no cover-small files to match the large covers.

Doug
Same here.
Occured after a fresh reflashing and on fresh canola instalation. Worked on Diablo befor reflashing.

[handful]

Yah this seems like a wrong library dependencie problems, lets hope the new version doesn't bring those problems back, and also improve the support.

MArcelo

[fred - N810]

Hi,
I'm experiencing a glitch with Canola 2 and Diablo. Any help is appreciated.
On my N810, Canola recognizes each songs from a same album as differents albums.

For example:
Instead of having 12 songs regrouped under 1 album, I got 12 albums (with the same name) containing 1 song.


Anybody know how to solve this problem?

Note: Canolla 2 is a wonderful player. However, it will be great if we could select a song by using the keyboard. It becomes unmanageable when you got more than 400 songs.

Thank you
fred - N810

[rauschd]

Fred - Sounds like you have a compilation album. Go to settings - media library - multiple album entries. You can consolidate there.
Doug

[fred - N810]

It works. Thank you Doug, for your help.
fred - N810

[handful]

Fred: we already started the 'live" search, but we will not be able to make it for beta10 as a lot of scanner problems, media, etc basic things were higher priority :/

But we know of this demand and we are dying to make it (even if kills itself for n800 users)

Marcelo

[gregorovius]

Hi,
For example:
Instead of having 12 songs regrouped under 1 album, I got 12 albums (with the same name) containing 1 song.


I've had this happen with a couple albums. The tags seem fine and display OK on every desktop client i've tried, but Canola displays it as a separate album for each track, and it doesn't show up under 'multiple album entries'. No idea what it might be, but I can reproduce this easily, so if there's anything I can do to help debug this, please let me know.

Cheers =)

[handful]

Grego : please, can you zip and send some of the musics for us? so we can analyze it? but we will change a little bit of things on this on the next release (after the incoming one - that's already frozen for a while)

Br

[thepenguinonthetelly]

Anyone having a problem installing Canola since the newest OS update? It tells me that python2.5 terra is missing even though I have that installed.

[Nelson L. Squeeko]

Canola installed fine with the newest update on my tablet. The missing covers problem (in the Cover view) seems to have been fixed as well. Not sure how that happened, but I'm not complaining.

[scanman717]

I'm having the install problem too... help.....

[flipside94]

same problem...cannot load canola after reflash from software upgrade.
it is saying the same thing about python

help please!

[handful]

Hi Guys,

Please make sure you "disable" the repository "Extras Devel" in your application catalog.

Go the in the application manager - press the menu (on the app's title bar) tools -> application catalogues -> maemo extras devel and check the box "Disabled".

What is probably happening is that you are trying to install from the unstable / on testing version that is on Extras devel. The extras version is the same beta9 from a while and has been (at least until yesterday) installing fine in brand new diablos and chinook based tablets!

Marcelo

[flipside94]

Hi Marcelo,

Thanks for responding!
I have tried to disable maemo extras & even diablo extras...but still having the same problem.

Any other suggestions

Thanks!

[handful]

Flipside: the problem is if you tried install it probably installed "half" of the components, which can lead to the same problem happening again.

could you try using canola-cleanup?

Marcelo

[craves1]

I can not get the album cover art to show in canola2 2.0.0~beta9-maemo2 OS = Diablo no matter what I try.

I installed canola cleanup but no menu to run it anywhere even though it is in the installed applications screen. Do I need to run it in Xterm?

When I am able to get the large art to show only a few small album art covers will show. I ran the cover-art plugin and no change.

Now most of the large album art is missing with only about 20 out of 300 pieces of the small art is showing.

I am not installing from the maemo extras devel repo
I am installing from the maemo extras /diablo repo.

The strange thing is on my N800 with diablo installed everything is OK but the same install on my N810 is the problem.

Can anyone tell me exactly how to completely uninstall canola2 on diablo either with canola cleanup (no menu to select it anywhere) or by some other method do I can try to install fresh?

Thanks

[craves1]

Flipside: the problem is if you tried install it probably installed "half" of the components, which can lead to the same problem happening again.

could you try using canola-cleanup?

Marcelo

How do you run canola-cleanup in diablo?

Thanks

[davidsco27]

would be nice if they told you

[handful]

Hi Guys,

Sorry to not tell before. If you take a look at the application installer, Canola-cleanup is there for installation. AFAIK it still working in diablo, and what it does is : it makes sure all the dependencies were removed, so you have a "clean" device again, and can try to install

BR

Marcelo

[etrunko]

Hi Guys,

Sorry to not tell before. If you take a look at the application installer, Canola-cleanup is there for installation. AFAIK it still working in diablo, and what it does is : it makes sure all the dependencies were removed, so you have a "clean" device again, and can try to install

We are uploading a new version of the cleanup package which fixes some issues on diablo. It should be available in the repositories in a few minutes.

[Capsule]

I am running Diablo. I just installed B10 and all of the plugins. Installation went smooth. After running Canola, the plugin icons do not appear, nor does the video icon. I then installed canola2-cleanup 0.1.7-maemo1. I so not see an icon under extras from which to run cleanup. Is there some way to manually run cleanup?

[handful]

Capsule, I just informed Etrunko of that, and he's uploading a update to cleanup as well, can you check it back again? I had the same problem 2 days ago, full install but no plugins :/ so I waited, now I have the near-release build working, so the packages must be newer in extras too.

Br

[Oberon85]

My solution was simple; uninstall all plugins, uninstall B9, install B10, install plugins. Voila! all working except Flickr plugin, which should be available in a couple of hours, according to the author....

[toby.c13]

how do i get beta10?

[handful]

Hi Guys,

I will write more about this, a formal announcement, but we will remove the beta10 files, and a beta 9.1 release fixing all the bugs that prevent the new carman to go to extras, and while this happens we are preparing the official beta10 for 3 weeks after that.

It was a tough decision to draw back all the features we have implemented, and start again, but the beta10 showed a lot of really serious issues that the people involved were not able to solve in a good way that we used to have on Canola Team.

I am glad at least to announce that Etrunko will be our official community guy (as canola, carman, and other projects will be open source on the openbossa site) and along with that also Gustavo Barbieri and the Profusion guys are part of the Canola team now, working for us INdT and I couldn't be happier with that.

It is now clear that Openbossa will do everything to speed up and make it up with this sequence of delays.

I will keep everyone updated !

Marcelo

[ernesto999]

Hi everyone,
I´m also in trouble with using/installing Canola2 after upgrading to diablo.

Problem 1.
After installing the canola2-upnp-plugin Canola was not able to start anymore. So I de-installed the plugin and Canola was able to start again.

Problem 2 .
To fix the -plugin problem I de-installed Canola by using "canola2 cleanup" . I re-installed it - everything seemed to work fine - but on the second look Canola2 was not able to find my audio-files by updating the media library.
Also there are more than 100 audio-files on the device Canola tells me - "No items found".
On the other hand - Internet-radio for example works fine.

Problem 3
The problem with the "canola2-upnp-plugin" is still the same. If it´s installed canola is not going to start.

I hope somebody around here could help me with that problem ?
regards from Berlin
Michael

[ernesto999]

Found the solution for my problems - the "http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/"-cataloque was activated. After de-activating everything was working fine.
Regards
Michael