Maemo Summit: registration open and free [Archive] - maemo.org

qgil

07-03-2008, 05:09 PM

Dear Internet Tablet Talk forum, the Maemo Summit (https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2008) is officially launched.

Berlin, September 19-20 @ c-base (http://c-base.org/) - right after http://www.osimworld.com (http://www.osimworld.com/) .

Here is the announcement (http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/maemo_summit-registration_open-_free.html) and a little more in my blog (http://flors.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/maemo-summit-registration-open-free/).

The registration is open and free. Special message to those of you contributing heavily to ITt: see you there. It's going to be fun. :)

Scarflash

07-03-2008, 05:25 PM

will the new logo for maemo be decided at the summit?

qgil

07-03-2008, 05:32 PM

will the new logo for maemo be decided at the summit?

Nope, way before. Say First week of August. Otherwise we won't have time to print shirts and stickers. And it will be difficult for the winner to win that trip to the summit. ;)

Now that you mention though, I'm proposing a very special dress code (https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2008#Scheduleton) por the participants of the Summit...

qgil

07-04-2008, 12:51 AM

Is it possible to get the list of most thanked ITt contributors?

There is another intersting statistic that throws some usernames: aflegg, Benson, bunanson, Bundyo, fanoush, fpp, GeneralAntilles, geneven, gnuite, handful, Hedgecore, Karel Jansens, Milhouse, penguinbait, qwerty12, TA-t3, Texrat (*) & zerojay.

Please join. Travel and accommodation expenses shouldn't be a problem (https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2008/Sponsorship) in your case. Reggie is already confirmed in the schedule and presenting with Krisse in prime time.

Then editors Reggie and RogerS, for obvious reasons here.

Then sjgadsby, those bug jars speak for themselves. We are impressed for your initiative every week.

Who else? Don't try to convince us. Convince them directly to register. ;) The sooner the better because now it's when travel and accommodation are still in the decent price range.

An only condition for you would be to contribute to the program somehow: present something in a lightning session, facilitate a BoF or a workshop... Any ideas welcome (in the wiki page (https://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Maemo_Summit_2008) please). Not that you don't have things to say. ;)

(*) Texrat: the community guy in you deserves to be in the statistic but our sponsorship mini-program is not for Nokia employees. Contact me internally if you need a hand.

anidel

07-04-2008, 07:41 AM

I am trying to join.
Trying to figure out if I can make it and, also, how I can contribute to the summit.

If not, Berlin is not so far away anyway from where I live and I should be able to make it anyway.

I really would like not to miss it.

qwerty12

07-04-2008, 08:06 AM

Bundyo

07-04-2008, 10:19 AM

I honestly don't have anything worthy to show :(

bunanson

07-04-2008, 10:43 AM

I honestly don't have anything worthy to show :(
You are just way three humble, one notch above two :) . I have been following your work and benefits tremendously. You would have fun there!

Where is Milhouse? It is a little bit too quiet for Mil with all these Diablo goin' on

bun

TA-t3

07-04-2008, 12:16 PM

Nice to be mentioned in that list, but after reading up on the summit and scratching my head for a while I can't for the life of me think of anything that I could possibly contribute, unfortunately.

Bundyo

07-04-2008, 12:46 PM

No bun, i'm not humble. :) I only did some ports, nothing wrote myself. :)

wazd

07-04-2008, 01:06 PM

Well, i was planning to join in the party, maybe I can make some random designing gasp :)

Jaffa

07-04-2008, 04:23 PM

I honestly don't have anything worthy to show :(

Nice to be mentioned in that list, but after reading up on the summit and scratching my head for a while I can't for the life of me think of anything that I could possibly contribute, unfortunately.

The point of a conference is not only to show; but to learn, collaborate and discuss. You don't need to present to either get something out of it personally; provide some insight to someone who is presenting; or shoot-the-breeze with people about the tablets and what they can do and where they are going.

The summit will be exponentially more useful and valuable (to me at least) the more attendees there are. Presentations, BoFs and lightning sessions will be fun; but I don't want to go there and just:

a) talk to the people I talk to on IRC all the time
b) talk to other developers.

I want to learn from people I've not heard in the past!

So, please - both of you (and anyone else wondering if they should go) - reconsider your "something to contribute" and realise that your mere presence will enrich the experience for everyone.

20 developers sat in a room can be awfully lonely, but it will make buying rounds of beer cheaper ;-)

bunanson

07-04-2008, 05:06 PM

...So, please - both of you (and anyone else wondering if they should go) - reconsider your "something to contribute" and realise that your mere presence will enrich the experience for everyone.

20 developers sat in a room can be awfully lonely, but it will make buying rounds of beer cheaper ;-)

110% agree!

bun

qgil

07-04-2008, 05:10 PM

I share the surprise. In fact that list is of people that have written more than 1000 posts ın these forums. 1000 posts or more! And you say you have nothıng to contrıbute? :)

Just register, get your travel sorted out, follow the activity pre-summit and see you in Berlin!

(Alright, being a minor doesn't help, indeed. There will be chances in the future.) :)

Bundyo

07-04-2008, 05:42 PM

I was considering going anyway, i was just saying that i'm not eligible for the sponsorship :)

Baloo

07-06-2008, 03:28 PM

I'm planning to attend but maybe I can attend with a HD camcorder and video everything for the community? Is that a useful contribution?

qgil

07-06-2008, 04:01 PM

I'm planning to attend but maybe I can attend with a HD camcorder and video everything for the community? Is that a useful contribution?

Definitely!

Baloo

07-06-2008, 04:08 PM

Great! I'll email you. I have to try to arrange a few things (locations, maybe interviewee's, anything you'd like to see recorded, e.t.c).

I think there is a lot of interest in the Maemo summit but there's a lot of people who can't attend. This way they can get the information along with the 'feel' for the event and hopefully drum up even more support for the second Maemo summit.

qgil

07-06-2008, 04:12 PM

No need for private emails. Organization via wiki is the best, so other can provide additional ideas and help. Thanks!

Also remember to register, so everybody know who is going. I have got already emails from people confirming that they will go but still haven't registered. Please!

Baloo

07-06-2008, 04:18 PM

I've already registered and yes, the wiki would be the best place to arrange this. Thanks.

Baloo

07-06-2008, 04:32 PM

Ok, done. If anyone has questions/suggestions please post them on https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Talk:Maemo_Summit_2008_recordings

Benson

07-07-2008, 02:33 PM

Is it possible to get the list of most thanked ITt contributors?

There is another intersting statistic that throws some usernames: aflegg, Benson, bunanson, Bundyo, fanoush, fpp, GeneralAntilles, geneven, gnuite, handful, Hedgecore, Karel Jansens, Milhouse, penguinbait, qwerty12, TA-t3, Texrat (*) & zerojay.

Please join. Travel and accommodation expenses shouldn't be a problem (https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2008/Sponsorship) in your case. Reggie is already confirmed in the schedule and presenting with Krisse in prime time.
Well, I'd love to come, but I'll have classes going on at that time, and can't know at present if skipping them for this would be feasible, so this year is not possible. Next year, though, is almost certainly possible...

An only condition for you would be to contribute to the program somehow: present something in a lightning session, facilitate a BoF or a workshop... Any ideas welcome (in the wiki page (https://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Maemo_Summit_2008) please). Not that you don't have things to say. ;)

A couple topic thoughts that someone else might be able to pick up: on-tablet development
multi-boot stuff
USB-OTG and BT stuff (maybe a meeting on the 20th for major fooling around interfacing all random hardware; a chance for people to show off what they've got working, ask questions about what they haven't quite got working, and maybe even bring new hardware in hopes of team-hacking a solution...)
(I'm not sure this belongs at maemo summit at all; it's much more hardware than software... still sounds like a load of fun to me.)

thoughtfix

07-07-2008, 02:54 PM

I was going to try to come along, but the only thing I put together for the tablet is way too big to fit in my luggage.

http://lh3.ggpht.com/thoughtfix/RzznCIVexdI/AAAAAAAACjk/YlhSJei5nIg/s400/IMG_0600.JPG

On a side note: I request forgiveness for my recent silence: The Dallas buyers of my employer close the Phoenix IT department on July 31 and I've been looking for a job.

Reggie

07-07-2008, 03:06 PM

Dan (Thoughtfix)! I hope you can go!

thoughtfix

07-07-2008, 03:08 PM

Benson

07-07-2008, 03:28 PM

Thanks, Reggie. It'd be a stretch and I don't want to apply for a sponsorship that'd take away from a "legitimate" developer as I have been rather slacking in my contributions lately. I have a series of articles in the works, but it's more of the same - educating the readers about the cool stuff the "real developers" are doing.

Well, education rocks, too...

If you can make it, just apply; they can always turn you down or put your application off to the second round if you do apply, but they can't draft you if you don't apply.

lardman

07-07-2008, 06:36 PM

I've registered, I'd quite like to talk about DSP development, not sure many people would be interested to listen mind you ;) :)

wazd

07-07-2008, 06:41 PM

Ah, btw, I have some "pro wannabe" Nikon D70 and some photographer/photoshoper skills so I can make kinda photoreview :)

qole

07-07-2008, 07:34 PM

No bun, i'm not humble. :) I only did some ports, nothing wrote myself. :)

Porting is a very interesting topic, and you'd be a huge contributor to any discussions of that. What are the problems porting stuff to the tablet? How do you work around the problems?

But Bundyo, you know so much about everything tablet-related. Your very presence would be a contribution.

I, for one, would love to see Gnuite talk about Maemo Mapper, Serge talk about maemo mplayer, penguinbait discuss KDE... wow that would rock...

If only Nokia wasn't so darned European. Berlin is pretty much the other side of the world for me.

Bundyo

07-08-2008, 01:03 AM

I did in fact decide to go, but still unsure on the details so i'm still not registering.

If only Nokia wasn't so darned European. Berlin is pretty much the other side of the world for me.

My problem is the opposite - i live quite close to Berlin (about 2000km), but we have no direct cheap flights to there. So i have to choose - direct flight for 300 EUR (compared to London - Berlin for 30 EUR :)) or cheap flight (60 EUR) to Dortmund and then 500 km by train (another 60 EUR). Sometimes its so difficult to not hate my country. :)

anidel

07-08-2008, 02:45 AM

Well Qole, it's like when there are very cool conferences, meeting, workshops running in California and we (Europeans) can't come :)

Now it's your turn :p eheh

Baloo

07-08-2008, 03:22 AM

Well Qole, it's like when there are very cool conferences, meeting, workshops running in California and we (Europeans) can't come :)

Now it's your turn :p eheh

Indeed, there are many conferences that I wouldn't dream of going to just because they are held at the 'other side of the world' from me.

TA-t3

07-08-2008, 07:28 AM

BTW, what's the name of the 'main' Berlin airport? I see three in the LH timetable (GVM application :)). Berlin Tegel?

anidel

07-08-2008, 08:01 AM

Ryanair lands at Schonefeld, so I suppose this one is not the main one.
Alitalia lands (at least, they do when they take off) at the Tegel one.
So...probably Tegel ?

lardman

07-08-2008, 09:08 AM

Yep Tegel is the main one, Tempelhof is being closed down iirc and Schoenenfeld is shared between RyanAir and the military iirc.

Bundyo

07-08-2008, 09:31 AM

Airberlin also use Schoenenfeld.

qole

07-08-2008, 07:35 PM

Well Qole, it's like when there are very cool conferences, meeting, workshops running in California and we (Europeans) can't come :)

Now it's your turn :p eheh

Yeah. I wasn't saying that it was a bad thing that Nokia and the Summit are in Europe, just that it is a bad thing for me.

Looks like my cheapest flight (from itravel2000.com) would be $490 CAD plus taxes from YVR on "LTU" (Air Berlin's long-haul arm (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LTU_International)) to Dusseldorf and then on Air Berlin to TXL.

(That's really going to make the sponsorship guys think long and hard... :( )

anidel

07-08-2008, 07:53 PM

Well 490$ CAD is not that much if you think of it.
Nokia surely can afford it considering that many contributors will use cheap EU flights (or at least that's what it looks like).

If you deserve it, they will make it.

Jaffa

07-09-2008, 08:12 AM

I'm even self-funding since I can get to Essen for the outbound trip and go back from Apeldoorn on the way back. 29 EUR: Essen -> Berlin, 39 EUR: Berlin -> Apeldoorn.

Figured since I want more people there, not taking money might help :-)

Baloo

07-09-2008, 10:16 AM

I'll be funding myself to the Maemo Summit for the exact same reasons as Jaffa. I'm possibly attending OSiM too if I can justify the cost.

qgil

07-11-2008, 03:52 AM

(That's really going to make the sponsorship guys think long and hard... :( )

In fact we didn't have to think much to approve the sponsorship request from a guy like you. :)

http://maemo.org/news/events/maemo_summit-001/

What I'm actually surprised is about the lack of sponsorship requests coming from the rest of core contributors. Specially those flying from outside Europe should register asap so we can book flights earlier.

LATER MEANS MORE EXPENSIVE MEANS LESS BUDGET FOR INVITING MORE CONTRIBUTORS

Thank you for your understanding. Please hurry up!

penguinbait

07-14-2008, 05:08 PM

WOW, not really sure how I missed this thread??

I want to come, I would need to go get a passport within the next two days, before I leave on vacation. because its gonna take two months to get it. It would be really cool to come meet so many names :)

I just dont think its in my cards this year. Hey Quim, Hawaii would be a nice middle ground for next years summit :)

Safe flights everyone, I look forward to the movie :D

qole

07-14-2008, 05:28 PM

I want to come, I would need to go get a passport within the next two days, before I leave on vacation. because its gonna take two months to get it.

GO NOW!

I just dont think its in my cards this year.

BUMMER! I was really really really hoping you'd be going.

EDIT: I'll buy you beer!

Baloo

07-14-2008, 05:37 PM

Penguinbait - be there! I want to bend your ear at least and I' sure there are many others :)

qgil

07-15-2008, 04:52 PM

penguinbait

07-15-2008, 06:20 PM

In Spain you can get a passport in 2 days, literally. I have no clue how this works in the US though. I guess US citizens don't need to get any visa in advance and they can get it just at the airport, like EU citizens do (when the White House is not paranoid about something out there). ;)

Its crazy, now I am supposed to have a passport to travel to Canada, you used to only need a drivers licence. It looks like they are only running about 4 weeks out at the moment.

http://travel.state.gov/passport/get/processing/processing_1740.html

I'm still just not sure I could make it. Its very very cool you are doing this though. I am really going to try to plan for next year. Quim will this be an annual event, can we expect Maemo Summit 2009? Is it possible to get 6 months advanced notice of dates/location for next year?

qole

07-15-2008, 06:27 PM

penguinbait!

pleasepleaseplease try!

And as for the passport to Canada business, that's not our fault. You guys are the ones who started requiring the passport!

penguinbait

07-15-2008, 06:37 PM

penguinbait!

pleasepleaseplease try!

And as for the passport to Canada business, that's not our fault. You guys are the ones who started requiring the passport!

Oh I am not blaming Canada, if Canada were only south of the US, I would have defected long ago :)

I am in Michigan though, so I need someplace warmer, NOT colder :D

qgil

07-15-2008, 06:49 PM

Quim will this be an annual event, can we expect Maemo Summit 2009? Is it possible to get 6 months advanced notice of dates/location for next year?

Ask this question right after a successful Maemo Summit 2008. ;)

qole

07-15-2008, 06:54 PM

I am in Michigan though, so I need someplace warmer, NOT colder :D

Come live in Vancouver. We're warmer than Michigan. At least in the winter. In the summer, we're cooler.

Well, we think we're cooler than most all year round. Dare you to find a corner without a Starbucks.

qgil

07-15-2008, 07:01 PM

WOW, not really sure how I missed this thread??

This SIZE=6 keeps me wondering...

How many key contributors (http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=199206&postcount=4) are still missing the fact that we want then in the Maemo Summit and we even can help them landing and sleeping in Berlin.

Like John Costigan aka gnuite aka the Mapper brain. Is it suspicious or not that he hasn't said anything. Can you please help poking the right guys? Think of it: all the beauties they can discuss and hack when sharing the same roof some days...

PS: for planning purposes I'm thinking of closing the sponsorship program around August 1st. To give you an idea about deadlines.

Benson

07-15-2008, 07:34 PM

Well, you can PM all the people on that list (I can do just did that, actually...) but there are some people who've made major contributions that don't hang out on here.

qole

07-15-2008, 07:40 PM

Also, it's vacation season... For instance, Mr. T. Rat hasn't been heard from for a few weeks...

Benson

07-15-2008, 07:49 PM

Oh I am not blaming Canada, if Canada were only south of the US, I would have defected long ago :)

I am in Michigan though, so I need someplace warmer, NOT colder :D

Go to Mexico; they have better wireless plans, anyway. :D

Benson

07-15-2008, 07:50 PM

Also, it's vacation season... For instance, Mr. T. Rat hasn't been heard from for a few weeks...

And has a full PM inbox...

geneven

07-15-2008, 08:26 PM

I tried to message qgil privately about this, but couldn't, so here's my response.

I'm flattered to be mentioned in this group and don't deserve to be. However, I'd be glad to come. I don't have ANY money, sorry about that. If I can apply for sponsorship, I'd be glad to do it.

My expertise is supposedly in customer service. I don't feel like an expert, but I did a lot of work in that area for Quarterdeck, a company some of you may have heard of, which was eventually swallowed by Symantec. I could try to come up with some new ideas on the easy-to-misuse topic of users. I can't think of any other way I could contribute or I would suggest it.

If anyone has questions or feedback for me that should be private, feel free to PM me.

bunanson

07-15-2008, 08:31 PM

...Quarterdeck, a company some of you may have heard of, which was eventually swallowed by Symantec. ....

Quarterdeck was my 1st multitasking environment. Symantec was not even born, or I have NOT heard of at that time. Quarterdeck was my hero, so does people assoc with Quarterdeck, like geneven.

bun

qole

07-15-2008, 09:25 PM

Just for fun, I looked it up, Vancouver to Berlin = 7989 km, or 4964 miles.

Anybody coming from farther away?

gnuite

07-16-2008, 03:28 AM

This SIZE=6 keeps me wondering...

How many key contributors (http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=199206&postcount=4) are still missing the fact that we want then in the Maemo Summit and we even can help them landing and sleeping in Berlin.

Like John Costigan aka gnuite aka the Mapper brain. Is it suspicious or not that he hasn't said anything. Can you please help poking the right guys? Think of it: all the beauties they can discuss and hack when sharing the same roof some days...
Yeah, sorry for being suspicious. :) I'm in the middle of a cross-country road trip at the moment, and I'm lucky to have any internet access at all! I've been missing out on all the latest and greatest ITT posts.

In any case, I sent my registration in with request for sponsorship. (Thanks to Benson for poking my ITT message box.) And I've been approved. So I'll see you guys at the Maemo Summit. :) (And hopefully also at OSiM World?)

Karel Jansens

07-16-2008, 09:38 AM

OK, I received that PM reminder from Benson, and my only question is: Why?

Why wasn't my name taken off that list the moment it popped up? Why does anyone think I could bring a useful contribution? I don't program, I don't port, I don't blog, I frankly don't even know how I got all these thanks.

So unless you really -- and I mean really -- need someone on that summit to continually b*tch about Nokia and what they did wrong with the Itablet platform, or someone to ask incessant questions on when we're going to get true HWR on the N800, I'm gonna pass...

Hedgecore

07-16-2008, 11:18 AM

Well, I'm flattered. I stumbled upon iTT almost 3 yrs ago in my quest for a linux based handheld with wifi. My best bet up til that point was an iPAQ with linux on it - - *shiver*. Til then the only contribution I made was randomly helping newbies when I was able. Oh. And I convinced someone to compile Dopewars.

While I could probably stay away from the beer halls long enough to participate coherently (albeit with a strong headache day 2 onward), I'm completely unable to. (Cost, time away from work, etc.)

HOWEVER. I hate you guys. I really hate you guys. I have 3 other browser tabs open and am comparing Canadian prices for the N810. So far the lowest price from a reputable site is $387.

Stay tuned.

P.S. I hate you guys. :rolleyes:

Oh, and Geneven? QEMM was awesome. ;)

Hedgecore

07-16-2008, 11:32 AM

On a separate note. (I finally read every post in this thread...) If there are people from North America who can't make it, why not (get ready, this is spectacular - - ) - - videoconference!

I'd love to see some of the presentations/talks as they happen (if they could be streamed) and it'd be great to hear guys like Penguinbait talk from home Michigan (if he could be videoconferenced).

If all that is too technologically unfeasible, why not pre-recorded talks or something?

zerojay

07-16-2008, 12:44 PM

I got the e-mail for this yesterday and I think it's an amazing idea, however, I think I would like to pass my chance on to someone else who has been active lately. I haven't been active enough, I feel, to deserve this due to my lack of a tablet. I sold my N800 thinking that my developer device N810 would come through.

So as much as I want to go, I think it's just fair for it to go to someone that's been a lot more active here as of late and deserves it more.

qole

07-16-2008, 01:10 PM

But zerojay, this is your chance to grab someone from Nokia by the lapels and say, "gimme my N810, dagnabit!" :D ;)

sjgadsby

07-16-2008, 01:25 PM

Just for fun, I looked it up, Vancouver to Berlin = 7989 km, or 4964 miles.

Anybody coming from farther away?

No, "only" 6,606 km (3,567 miles) for me. However, as the least expensive flights appear to originate with Northwest Airlines, there's a good chance I'll be heading west to Detroit before making any progress east.

timsamoff

07-16-2008, 01:28 PM

sjgadsby

07-16-2008, 01:30 PM

But zerojay, this is your chance to grab someone from Nokia by the lapels and say, "gimme my N810, dagnabit!"

Seconded. Zerojay--preferably wearing his Pac-Man hat--chasing Nokia employees while screaming for a working N810 developer discount code would be extremely memorable.

sjgadsby

07-16-2008, 01:34 PM

I've added some comments to the wiki page...

If you sign the comment (~~~~), it will help others resolve the first-person singular personal pronoun there.

zerojay

07-16-2008, 02:24 PM

Seconded. Zerojay--preferably wearing his Pac-Man hat--chasing Nokia employees while screaming for a working N810 developer discount code would be extremely memorable.

I love you guys. :)

sjgadsby

07-16-2008, 03:17 PM

Before I send my information off to the travel agency, is there any reason a nobody like me should be considering OSiM? The sessions look interesting, sure, but it's already costing Maemo a disturbingly large amount of money to bring me to the summit, and as I've not done any development for the tablets, sending me to OSiM doesn't sound like a good investment. I'm simply asking in case we're all to try to make it to OSiM in order to meet up and discuss, work on, what-have-you Maemo/maemo.org things as a build up to the summit proper.

zerojay

07-16-2008, 03:28 PM

Is this sponsorship like... all expenses paid or something? Sorry, I can't say I've looked into this all that much yet.. anyone fill me in?

Reggie

07-16-2008, 03:34 PM

I'm hoping to attend OSiM and attend Ari's keynote as well as attend the other keynotes and sessions.

I'm arriving Tuesday the 16th, around noon: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2008/Travel

sjgadsby

07-16-2008, 03:36 PM

Is this sponsorship like... all expenses paid or something? Sorry, I can't say I've looked into this all that much yet.. anyone fill me in?

It covers OSiM World (http://www.osimworld.com/newt/l/handsetsvision/osim08/) registration, round trip travel to Berlin, and accommodations. It doesn't cover travel within Berlin or meals. There are more details on the Maemo Summit 2008/Sponsorship wiki page (https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2008/Sponsorship).

Bundyo

07-16-2008, 03:46 PM

I will probably get directly for the Summit and by train. I also have no idea how to search or register for accommodations in Berlin though.

qole

07-16-2008, 03:52 PM

I also have no idea how to search or register for accommodations in Berlin though.

No me neither, I guess I'll trust to the wiki and/or Lonely Planet or something. As much as I like adventure, I'm not 21 anymore, so a bunk bed in a hostel just isn't enough for me anymore... :(

EDIT: Nokia, sponsor Tim Samoff, I want to meet him, and compare beer preferences with him, too!

sjgadsby

07-16-2008, 04:00 PM

Nokia, sponsor Tim Samoff...

They are doing so (http://maemo.org/news/events/maemo_summit-001/).

fpp

07-16-2008, 04:55 PM

Well, you can PM all the people on that list (I can do just did that, actually...) but there are some people who've made major contributions that don't hang out on here.

Thanks a bunch for that PM Benson ! I had managed to miss that thread altogether...

I'm flattered that I'm still on Quim's list of "rock stars" despite having being very discreet over here since early this year... mostly out of work overload, sadly. Things have been pretty hectic lately and I've kind of burn out.

I still visit ITT daily at least, but due to the sustained high level of activity I barely skim through the new posts to keep in touch and get an idea of what's happening. It's a kind of self-inflicted torture though, because I see a lot of great stuff go by with no time or energy left to try it out... haven't even flashed Diablo yet, let alone all that's coming in from qwerty12 or Qole or others... KDE, debian, Android, rotation, specialty kernels and whatnot. Sigh...

Although living almost net door I haven't been to Germany in quite a while, and never to Berlin, so I'd really love to grab the chance and be on another planet for a while. Obviously I'll have to confirm that with my job schedule first though... and family :-)

Also, as many here, I do wonder what sort of a contribution I could make there. After all I'm not a Linux hacker, nor a prolific porter, not even a real coder... just a user with a really big mouth (and not quite the biggest either :-)

I do have a small idea however, so if all the other problems clear up all the way to Berlin, that wouldn't be a showstopper.

Anyway, whatever happens, many thanks to Quim for the offer (and for organizing the whole shebang, which must be quite some task :-), and to you for the heads-up !

fpp

fpp

07-16-2008, 04:59 PM

OK, I received that PM reminder from Benson, and my only question is: Why?
Why wasn't my name taken off that list the moment it popped up? Why does anyone think I could bring a useful contribution? I don't program, I don't port, I don't blog, I frankly don't even know how I got all these thanks.
So unless you really -- and I mean really -- need someone on that summit to continually b*tch about Nokia and what they did wrong with the Itablet platform, or someone to ask incessant questions on when we're going to get true HWR on the N800, I'm gonna pass...

Oh come on Karel... surely you speak some German ? I still remember the whole of "Die Lorelei" from my high school days... maybe we could do a duet on that ? But mostly we need you to DRINK BEER WITH, man !
'nuff said :-)

thoughtfix

07-16-2008, 05:07 PM

Well, I went ahead and registered despite my maemo profile (https://maemo.org/profile/view/thoughtfix.html) showing that I have a negative 108 karma. Looking at the karma system, it seems some people are more personal than topical when it comes to voting things down and I know I have two or three anti-fans doing this.

I noticed the same thing with other users, too. This user's post (http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/RMUG/~3/329063162/kde-4-for-maemo.html) has a thumbs-down from someone though it is clearly pertinent to the Internet tablets and I've noticed that feed has other targeted thumbs-down.

In Internet Tablet related posts (excluding those that are clearly unrelated to the maemo community,) here's the trend I see:

If it's an alternative Linux distro (debian, android) but is on the internet tablets, some people give it thumbs-down.
If it's for the tablets but closed source (like some INdT products) a few people give it thumbs-down
If it is about commercial applications, some people give it thumbs-down.
If it's by certain people regardless of content, some people give it thumbs-down.

I wish I knew who those people were. I'd give them a thumb-down T-shirt and a mirror and hope they get lost in that little world.

GeneralAntilles

07-16-2008, 05:14 PM

I wish I knew who those people were. I'd give them a thumb-down T-shirt and a mirror and hope they get lost in that little world.

It's a news rating system, if somebody doesn't like a story they thumb it, if they don't like the submitter they thumb it, if they don't like the subject they thumb it. Who cares? :rolleyes:

Who put you in charge of deciding which opinions should be allowed? ;)

Personally, I'd have to wear karma like that like a badge of pride. :D

Karel Jansens

07-16-2008, 05:35 PM

Oh come on Karel... surely you speak some German ? I still remember the whole of "Die Lorelei" from my high school days... maybe we could do a duet on that ? But mostly we need you to DRINK BEER WITH, man !
'nuff said :-)

Well, if there's [non-German] beer...

Seriously, I really doubt I deserve a sponsorship, but if I could get a ticket in and maybe a pointer to a hotel room, I'd probably come for a laugh. It's merely a matter of hopping in a train and bringing enough reading stuff for the trip.

Just don't expect any amazing software contributions from me.

lardman

07-16-2008, 05:46 PM

It's not just about software contributions, we'd also like to arrange some Community chats, interaction, etc. from the big hitters in the Community (and others).

thoughtfix

07-16-2008, 06:16 PM

Valid point, Mr. General! - and I wasn't saying that something should/should not be allowed. I was just spotting a trend.

Personally, I'd have to wear karma like that like a badge of pride. :D

Tell you what: if you and I both make it there, I'll have some made. You'll have to tell me sizes and preferred color. Deal?

GeneralAntilles

07-16-2008, 06:27 PM

Valid point, Mr. General! - and I wasn't saying that something should/should not be allowed. I was just spotting a trend.

I'll cop to vindictively thumbing Aisu's posts. I was getting tired of the screaming Debian and Android announcements, and he had a post with a very prominent "GIVE ME MONEY PLS" section which pushed me over the top. ;)

Tell you what: if you and I both make it there, I'll have some made. You'll have to tell me sizes and preferred color. Deal?

I might be singing a different tune if "No Thanks!" had ever been implemented here. ;)

jzencovich

07-16-2008, 06:33 PM

It's amazing how many humble people we have here on ITT!

I would love to come, but have no money, and don't consider myself having contributed enough to the community (I have a couple plans for the future, but they're all still eggs). Moreover, people that I've seen here that have REALLY done ALLOT.... and they are saying that they don't deserve to go! If the people who have posted above me don't, then who does? :p

Personally, I'll take a chance and see if I can design a nice logo for maemo, if not, well there's always next year. (and I'm sure I won't be missed lol)

--Jon

qole

07-16-2008, 06:42 PM

Tell you what: if you and I both make it there, I'll have some made. You'll have to tell me sizes and preferred color. Deal?

I hope you both do make it. Talk about the definition of "rock stars", although GA has more of a punk rock star attitude...

That -108 karma is hilarious! I want to go out now and give "thumbs down" to all of Thoughtfix's posts, just so it can be even more absurd!

EDIT: There's something weird in general with thoughtfix's profile.... -123 blogs?!

qole

07-16-2008, 06:49 PM

It's amazing how many humble people we have here on ITT!

Well, it's weird how some people become rock stars... I wrote a couple of shell scripts (one of which I mostly borrowed from penguinbait) and made a .deb package out of it all, and suddenly I'm a "rock star"... Whatever.

sjgadsby

07-16-2008, 06:57 PM

Well, it's weird how some people become rock stars... I wrote a couple of shell scripts (one of which I mostly borrowed from penguinbait) and made a .deb package out of it all, and suddenly I'm a "rock star"... Whatever.

I'm beginning to think the summit should include a "least worthy of being here" competition.

qole

07-16-2008, 07:00 PM

But nobody would think they were worthy to enter the competition.

sjgadsby

07-16-2008, 07:28 PM

Tell you what: if [GeneralAntilles] and I both make it there...

GeneralAntilles, are you going?

qgil

07-16-2008, 07:32 PM

Hi, this is off-topic but...

I'm a regular follower of the Maemo news, being always curious about the ratings. I think in most cases and for more people the ratings make sense... if you consider that maemo.org has been until now a place for open source & non-profit software for developers and power users. Think also that people are not necessarely voting "against you", they might just want to avoid that off-topic news hit the front. What is off-topic? That is subjective...

As a general pattern, Thoughtfix gets thumbs down when talking about consumer devices (including tablets seen as consumer products), Nokia/Nseries PPRR activities, commercial software. You also get some thumbs down just because you summarize about the news, the original news is already on the top and people give thumbs down to echoes not adding more information, which imo is part of a useful community editorial work.

Krisse got also some when her articles were considered perhaps too basic for that audience. Karoliina got thumbs down blogging about Ubuntu desktop and Vala (in the desktop too). The poor Zeeshan gets thumbs down even when blogging about GUPnP development upstream... probably by people ignoring that libgupnp is installed in their devices. That's it, or am I missing anyone?

So what? Does anybody doubt about the overall merits of Thoughtfix, Krisse, Karoliina and Zeeshan in the Maemo development and community? I don't.

I reckon the system is unfair for some individuals and the 4 mentioned above came to complain at some point. If we look at the overall system though I think the process is quite good (and it would be good to have more people rating actually) and the top 5 news in the front are really the most interesting stuff going on most of the times.

The garage news could get more visibility, some of them are quite interesting (many of them are just 2 basic lines though). They always get underrated, I guess because most of the people ratign follow http://planet.maemo.org instead of http://maemo.org/news

Conclusion: Daniel don't worry.

thoughtfix

07-16-2008, 10:38 PM

Thanks, Quim!
After watching that pattern and reading your response, I realize that some people are "purists" and want only "maemo as a development platform" related news. It started as a development platform that later evolved into a community but never took things like "editorial content" and "related consumer news" into any official capacity. If that's the case: to each their own.

I still want to make thumbs-down shirts for GeneralAntilles and myself. ;)

Texrat

07-16-2008, 10:54 PM

(*) Texrat: the community guy in you deserves to be in the statistic but our sponsorship mini-program is not for Nokia employees. Contact me internally if you need a hand.

That would be cool, but I don't know how I'd be able to pull it off. I *might* have enough airline miles by then to pay for the trip... but I won't know until mid August. Anyway, I'll hit you up in corporate email.

qole

07-17-2008, 01:05 AM

Welcome back, Texrat. We need you to come! Mr. Gil, make it happen.

GeneralAntilles

07-17-2008, 02:20 AM

GeneralAntilles, are you going?

Sorry, I guess I never got around answering for certain either way in this thread, but that'd be a "no". ;) Scheduling issues and whatnot that wont be resolved for sure until well after the the sponsorships are handed out, and I don't want to take up a slot and end up unable to attend (and definitely wont be able to afford a $1700 plane ticket).

Next get-together. :)

bunanson

07-17-2008, 02:54 AM

We have been shopping around for air tickets. RT Berlin to NC can be as low as $810 as of TODAY. Not sure about FL. Orbiz or airline weekend advertisement emails are the most economical. I would be more than happy to furnish more info if interested.

bun

fanoush

07-17-2008, 03:39 AM

I'm flattered that I'm still on Quim's list of "rock stars" despite having being very discreet over here since early this year... mostly out of work overload, sadly. Things have been pretty hectic lately and I've kind of burn out.
I feel similar but I hope it is not so bad. I'm not dead yet but became quite slow. My latest (10 days today) project with one fine lady is here (http://fanoush.wz.cz/veronika/) and together with the previous one it takes almost all of my time now :-)

I'd love to go but I simply can't promise anything so I'd apply only if canceling in last minute is not a problem (which is of course not the case, booking costs money).

GeneralAntilles

07-17-2008, 03:57 AM

Not sure about FL. Orbiz or airline weekend advertisement emails are the most economical.

Well, I started at $2200, and worked down to $1700 from there based on some recommendations from rm_you.

Either way, it's just not gonna happen.

Mutiny32

07-17-2008, 03:59 AM

Hmm...during Oktoberfest?

I signed up. My fredit card is going to hate me. I think I'll fly to Helsinki after the Summit; I was there last summer to visit some good friends in Tuusula and Espoo and loved it. Finland is beautiful.

Oh, and the saunas, can't forget those!

Mutiny32

07-17-2008, 04:02 AM

And use Kayak.com to find rates, they search all those sites. As for me, I'm gonna swipe the hell out of my NWA WorldPerks Visa. I love flying KLM. Do they do a MSP-AMS-BER flight?

fpp

07-17-2008, 04:39 AM

I feel similar but I hope it is not so bad. I'm not dead yet but became quite slow. My latest (10 days today) project with one fine lady is here (http://fanoush.wz.cz/veronika/) and together with the previous one it takes almost all of my time now :-)

Thanks Fanoush and congratulations - that's a beauty ! (I have two boys and am always jealous of dads with girls :-).

At least you have a valid excuse for throttling back, and a happy one, not a stupid one like mine...

brontide

07-17-2008, 07:21 AM

FYI: NYC <-> Berlin $722 on British Airways.

timsamoff

07-17-2008, 12:44 PM

Those in attendance, please post a photo of yourself here:

http://wiki.maemo.org/Participant_Photos

Tim

TA-t3

07-17-2008, 01:01 PM

Er, you're supposed to take your photos using the N8x0 camera of course.. those photos you posted aren't grainy enough so there must be some non-approved equipment involved there..

;)

brontide

07-17-2008, 01:07 PM

Is there a way to correct the registration. I was absolutely positive I selected sponsorship, but it's not listed on the attendees page. Trying to re-register gives me a permission denied. :-( Serves me right for doing the application at 1am.

I would love to demo two way Google doc sync ( or the progress I've made by that point ) :-)

lardman

07-17-2008, 01:23 PM

How does one upload the photos? I'm a bit confused by the wiki syntax....

Reggie

07-17-2008, 02:05 PM

Anyone knows if the fring (http://www.internettablettalk.com/2008/07/17/fring-comes-to-the-internet-tablet/) folks are coming to the summit?

timsamoff

07-17-2008, 02:32 PM

How does one upload the photos? I'm a bit confused by the wiki syntax....

Go to http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Upload to upload (must be logged-in).

On the wiki page, add:

[[Image:your_image_name | alt text]]

Tim

qgil

07-17-2008, 02:58 PM

Those in attendance, please post a photo of yourself here:

http://wiki.maemo.org/Participant_Photos

Tim

Tim, don't miss http://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Participant_Photos

@brontide: edited manually. No it is not possible for users to edit registration because we wanted to avoid the fact of people requesting sponsorship after having registered weeks ago and etc.

YoDude

07-17-2008, 03:05 PM

And use Kayak.com to find rates, they search all those sites. As for me, I'm gonna swipe the hell out of my NWA WorldPerks Visa. I love flying KLM. Do they do a MSP-AMS-BER flight?

First class on KLM is the only way to go... They spoil you. :)

Lufthansa is a close second, with about the same comfort and amenities but with less personality than KLM crews.

fpp

07-17-2008, 04:06 PM

@brontide: edited manually. No it is not possible for users to edit registration because we wanted to avoid the fact of people requesting sponsorship after having registered weeks ago and etc.

Okay, so I bit the bullet and registered : #69, auspicious, eh ?
So Karel, you gotta come over for beer.

@quim : please remove the sponsorship request from my registration, I hadn't understood at the time that accommodation was DIY. I was going to pay for my trip anyway, it was just to avoid some hassle if community housing was available.

Also, I must be tired, but I can't find the place where you can propose a presentation or talk or something. I'm sure there must be one ? :-)

sjgadsby

07-17-2008, 04:13 PM

...I can't find the place where you can propose a presentation or talk or something.

You can add your proposal to the appropriate section of this wiki page (https://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Maemo_summit_2008).

Bundyo

07-17-2008, 05:44 PM

darklajid

07-17-2008, 06:31 PM

Okay, being a nobody here and all I'm still very curious about the summit and would like to attend, learn and annoy with a bu**load of questions. Given that I can sort it out (just a matter of persuading the gf and checking with my job, I'm from Germany anyway) I could offer to pick some of those poor guys up that have to travel though most of Germany via train (i.e. landing in Dortmund/Duesseldorf etc.).
Corporate car/free fuel is a luxury these days that I'd like to share ;)

Bundyo

07-17-2008, 06:40 PM

My plane will be landing in Dortmund i guess :)

allnameswereout

07-17-2008, 06:48 PM

Consider a hostel.

Public transport is high quality in Berlin, and sane prices.

Hitchhiking is very doable in Germany.

Booking a train ticket in advance via Deutsche Bahn (http://reiseauskunft.bahn.de/bin/query.exe/en?getstop=1&searchMode=ADVANCED) can save up to 75% provided you book in advance! If you book a week in advance you still get 50% discount. A 25% discount card is also cheap, especially useful is you do further German sightseeing. But you need to order this all in advance!(!!)

I even once met some Belgian students in Berlin who used only local trains. Costed them like 35 EUR one-way, but they travelled about 12 hours from Belgium to Germany...

And, be sure to also visit Berlin centre. E.g. Alexanderplatz, Blinkenlights, CCC Berlin, and a living night time!! :)

PS: Don't forget to try out Club-Mate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club-Mate)!

bunanson

07-17-2008, 10:18 PM

I...My latest (10 days today) project with one fine lady is here (http://fanoush.wz.cz/veronika/) and together with the previous one it takes almost all of my time now :-).... She is beautiful, so does dad. Congratulation.

bun

qgil

07-18-2008, 04:11 AM

Is there a possibility for a second round of sponsorship registrations if there are still not used resources at the end?

Short answer: NO (with very little room for exceptions).

In fact "my" problem is to see how to be nice to everybody that will request sponsorship before August 1st, even those that really deserve it. Look the registration list, countries of origin... Think also that a notable % are "senior contributors" (read people feeling like their time for youth hostels is kind of over) ;) and also that there are reasonable requests to get inside OSiM World (300€ the lowest bill we can mathematically get per person). We are discussing with the GNOME Foundation to fund a hackfest bringing some OSS upstream guys. And of course we have expenses to pay to c-base: rooms, equipement, etc.

So you see.

Baloo

07-18-2008, 05:03 AM

I've added some comments to the wiki page:

https://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Maemo_Summit_2008_recordings

Jamie, if you'd like to collaborate, that might be cool... Or, if you just want to be the one that does it, that would be fine too. Add comments to the wiki.

Tim

Collaboration is great, the more information we can get from the Summit the better. We can continue this on the wiki. :)

Master of Gizmo

07-18-2008, 03:52 PM

I may join and bring e.g. some of my n810/n800 controlled DIY USB hardware like the i2c-tiny-usb and the tiltstick.

But since our second child is to be born end of august i can't guarantee anything. One option would be to bring my then 18 month old daughter with me the 500km to berlin. She really likes the n810 and enjoys video conferencing with her mother between bedroom and living room. But she especially enjoys pulling out the n810's stylus and carefully putting it back in place.

Baloo

07-18-2008, 04:24 PM

qgil

07-19-2008, 03:26 AM

We need help at https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2008/Organization. In only one week the participation has increased considerably but still I'm handling most of the responsibility. We need other people being officially in charge of something, like Jamie is doing with the video stuff (thank you!).

I have some responsibilities that are difficult if not impossible to delegate out of Nokia (anything related to money and contracts, basically). You really want me to concentrate on these. ;) Please check the link above and see if you can substitute a "Who?" by your name.

For instance, who takes (https://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Maemo_Summit_2008#Help_with_the_program) the schedule of Saturday, the 100% community day?

Thanks!

qgil

07-20-2008, 04:15 AM

For those of you wondering why some people gets sponsorship accepted while others are waiting: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2008-July/000480.html

Note also that many sponsorship requests have being discarded, they just don't appear in the listing.

fpp

07-20-2008, 12:15 PM

I'm not accustomed to this sort of event and the terminology is not all clear to me (Bof, tracks etc.).

Is it possible to do a presentation on a topic that will not fit in 5 minutes (lightning talk) but doesn't need one hour either, say 15-20 minutes ? When and how would that fit ?

qgil

07-20-2008, 12:22 PM

Yes, it is possible. Friday has 30' presentations (all taken, though) and the schedule on Saturday is defined 100% by the community. It's in your hands.

fpp

07-20-2008, 02:39 PM

Thanks. I'll propose that on the Saturday schedule then.

wazd

07-20-2008, 04:05 PM

Can I still apply for sponsorship? I've already registered without appliance but I have faced some troubles with money, so...

qgil

07-20-2008, 04:23 PM

Can I still apply for sponsorship? I've already registered without appliance but I have faced some troubles with money, so...

Sponsorship can be requested before August 1st by those feeling that fit in the criteria (http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2008/Sponsorship).

If you already registered I need to know who are you in the listing and de-register you. The you can register again requesting sponsorship. No need to bother the whole forum about this: send an email to quim.gil at nokia com.

wazd

07-20-2008, 05:00 PM

Thaks a lot.

Reggie

07-24-2008, 08:33 AM

Anyone want to be in charge of setting up a mini exhibit, maybe for the OSiM Maemo booth and/or the Maemo Summit: https://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Maemo_Summit_2008#Mini_Exhibit

Baloo

07-24-2008, 02:33 PM

Anyone want to be in charge of setting up a mini exhibit, maybe for the OSiM Maemo booth and/or the Maemo Summit: https://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Maemo_Summit_2008#Mini_Exhibit

Sounds like a good idea but where is all the hardware coming from?

qgil

07-24-2008, 03:30 PM

Sounds like a good idea but where is all the hardware coming from?

Funny, you worry about the hardware and I worry about the people to run that.

To tell you the truth I'm a bit shoked of not getting much responses / offers to work on basic aspects of the organization (https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2008/Organization) that still are looking volunteers to handle them. To be even more clear, for me it's double shocking if you consider the amount of people sponsored or willing to be sponsored.

Apart from this, Reggie's idea is very good if it can be put into practice. Hardware shouldn't be a problem if all the rest is in place.

Baloo

07-24-2008, 03:49 PM

Funny, you worry about the hardware and I worry about the people to run that.

To tell you the truth I'm a bit shoked of not getting much responses / offers to work on basic aspects of the organization (https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2008/Organization) that still are looking volunteers to handle them. To be even more clear, for me it's double shocking if you consider the amount of people sponsored or willing to be sponsored.

Apart from this, Reggie's idea is very good if it can be put into practice. Hardware shouldn't be a problem if all the rest is in place.

I meant in the sense that if a prerequisite was to actually have the hardware such as the Puppy Robot or even an n810 then I couldn't help (I only have a n800) as I don't have that but if the hardware is there I'm more than willing to help out demonstrating it to people (once I've had a play myself :D)

sjgadsby

07-24-2008, 09:21 PM

PS: Don't forget to try out Club-Mate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club-Mate)!

allnameswereout, the Summit will be taking place on your turf, which you obviously know well. Would you be able to use your knowledge of Berlin to recommend/locate a printing company that could produce custom t-shirts and stickers (http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2008/Organization#Merchandising)? I've tried Googling for a suitable company near c-base, but sadly, listening to KMFDM and Einstuerzende Neubauten during my teens left me only with decreased hearing ability, not an understanding of the German language.

brontide

07-24-2008, 10:23 PM

I have started promoting sessions on Saturday from the talk page to the main page. It's a first draft, but it's a start and hopefully things will start to shake out from here. If your ideas are still on the talk page it's either because I'm not sure if already have your time or if you are actually planning on going. Feel free to email me with questions/comments.

rm_you

07-25-2008, 12:29 AM

I would be perfectly willing (and excited) to help run any kind of exhibit / demo, but I was hesitant (I belive correctly so) to volunteer, as I have not yet been accepted for sponsorship, and without sponsorship I will not be able to go... So I guess, if you sponsor me, I would be excited to help with any kind of demos! :)

brontide

07-25-2008, 10:00 AM

Ok Saturday scheduling is starting to shape up some. I'm more than willing to entertain any ideas you guys might have.

Some changes to the schedule.

I cleared out the morning for 1 presentation / time slot. If there are other programs people want bumped up to a solo show, let me know.
I moved the community council to be after/with lunch.
I've started tracking the afternoon. Right now I have 30 minute timeslots, but I'm thinking of moving to 45 minute slots since I think 30 might be a little short for some of the material.
I'm working on clearing 30 minutes mid-day for an intermission/BoF/networking session.

Don't be shy, we need non-programming presentations as well. Feel free to propose one on the talk page.

rm_you

07-25-2008, 03:54 PM

Ok, well I guess I'm sponsored, so I'll go about signing up to help with demo/exhibit stuff, and I guess propose that talk I was thinking about. :)

brontide

07-25-2008, 07:45 PM

https://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Maemo_Summit_2008#Mini_Exhibit

We need others in attendance to signup in order to make this a reality. Realistically we need to know we have the coverage and then we will work up a reasonable set of demos ( 3-4 projects, 1-2 demo units ). These projects will have to be something that the average person can appreciate by watching a demo or using the unit for a minute or two.

gnuite

07-26-2008, 02:58 AM

I'm still in the middle of my cross-country relocation, so I apologize for not being as involved in this thread as I perhaps should, but I did go ahead and add my proposal (http://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Maemo_Summit_2008#BoFs_and_Workshops), travel (http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2008/Travel), and accommodation (http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2008/Accommodation) information.

qole

07-26-2008, 03:48 AM

I'll help however I can; I'm pretty good at explaining complex techie stuff to non-geeks... give me a job :)

I think the booth should have tablets:

with a nicely stocked menu / home screen, for fooling around
running Numpty Physics
showing a full-screen movie (non-interactive)
running Maemo Mapper (w/GPS)
running Canola with a variety of pre-loaded media
video conferencing between two tablets
running a slide show in Quiver (or interactive browsing of pics)

perhaps, also:

VNC to a Windows or Mac laptop
running a game playable with a USB joystick / wii controller
hooked up to a monitor / TV via USB2VGA, with a slideshow
running a word processor (KOffice? AbiWord? OpenOffice?) with the ability to print, maybe with a nice BT keyboard
running an alternate WM (kde, icewm, enlightenment, xfce4, etc)

Anyway, just some ideas to think about...

allnameswereout

07-26-2008, 10:27 PM

allnameswereout, the Summit will be taking place on your turf, which you obviously know well. Would you be able to use your knowledge of Berlin to recommend/locate a printing company that could produce custom t-shirts and stickers (http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2008/Organization#Merchandising)? I've tried Googling for a suitable company near c-base, but sadly, listening to KMFDM and Einstuerzende Neubauten during my teens left me only with decreased hearing ability, not an understanding of the German language.

Hi,

Excuse me for the late respose in this tight schedule.

It is IMO important, or useful, to get in touch with a local culture. In Berlin (and in Germany in general) people are able to speak English in various degrees. I've only been in Berlin one time, but various times in Germany, and I know some bits about the German computer culture. There is probably Club-Mate available at C-Base.

I've seen various print shops in Berlin, but I have no experience with them so cannot recommend a good price/quality deal. Also, the question whether they also print t-shirts? Stickers is probably no problem. Alternatively, you could print them anywhere in the world, and have them send to Berlin.

I used Google Maps and this was the result (http://maps.google.com/maps?client=opera&rls=en&q=berlin%20print&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&um=1&sa=N&tab=wl). A good online translator for European languages is Translate.eu (http://www.translate.eu/), else let me know if you have specific questions. My German, text-wise, is pretty good.

I've forwarded your question to one of my Berliner friends. She is a designer, and might have first or second hand experience with print shops in her area.

sjgadsby

07-26-2008, 11:37 PM

Alternatively, you could print them anywhere in the world, and have them send to Berlin.

I've considered this option, at least for the stickers. My wife works with a guy who runs a motorcycle decal business, and while he'd need to see the winning logo before committing himself and providing pricing, he's interested in the job. Depending upon how many hundreds of stickers Mr. Gil dreams of affixing to tablets at the Summit and additional inanimate (and animate?) objects in central Berlin, I'd think there's a good chance I could bring the stickers with me in my luggage.

sjgadsby

07-26-2008, 11:50 PM

...explaining complex techie stuff to non-geeks...

That's at least 60% of my day job right there, so if that's needed, sign me up too.

geneven

07-27-2008, 04:44 AM

qgil

07-27-2008, 05:11 AM

Qgil:

You sent an email to my inbox basically suggesting that I apply. I did, and it appears that you wasted my time, since, "this sponsorship program focuses on Maemo or OSS upstream developers with a clear involvement and on-topic contributions made. "

Next time remind me to ignore your message.

Please don't. My mistake, I'm dealing with many names and nicknames and I'm promoting the Summit through many channels. There have been many sponsorship requests from outside Europe (expensive trips) and the average budget for accommodation per person is bigger now than we all expected at the beginning. This is why we are being much more cautious approving requests.

But if I promised you sponsorship then you deserve it. My apologies again.

wazd

07-27-2008, 11:28 AM

brontide

07-27-2008, 12:38 PM

I want to make some discussion-oriented event about UI design and optimizations. Hope this is interesting and useful theme for community. I actually don't know what's "BoF" but I think my talk will better to be in saturday sheudle.

Sounds great. I guess drop a description on the BoF/workshop area on the talk page and I'll rework the schedule on the main page soon with updates.

thoughtfix

07-27-2008, 01:46 PM

Confirmed attendees: Fair warning that I'll be doing as many spot interviews (on video) as possible during the summit. Brief bios and links to your projects are welcome. :)

qgil

07-27-2008, 01:54 PM

My mistake, I'm dealing with many names and nicknames and I'm promoting the Summit through many channels.

On a second thought, it is good to remember that the registration form provides a link to those willing to request sponsorship: https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2008/Sponsorship

Following the steps described in this page makes life easier for everybody. For instance:

Edit (https://maemo.org/profile/edit/) your maemo.org profile (https://maemo.org/profile/) providing all the relevant information about you in the Maemo context. This will help us knowing/remembering who are you and what are you doing here.
When registering, explain in your sponsorship request how can you contribute to the success of the Summit: run a session, get a responsibility in the organization, develop a demo to showcase... up to you. We just want to avoid sponsoring passive participants, no matter how much active they have been in the past. This sponsorship is not a prize for past contributions.

brontide

07-31-2008, 12:05 AM

Ok Saturday scheduling v2.0

https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2008#Saturday_20

Let me know if you like it, hate it, or anything. It's starting to look crowded, but if necessary I will go up to three tracks.

We still need people to man the maemo community booth if it's going to be a reality. I'm thinking we need at least 3-5 people with a total of 10 more hours to make sure we have enough coverage for a table. Then we can argue of what goes on the table ;-)

https://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Maemo_Summit_2008#Signup

qgil

07-31-2008, 02:36 AM

We are getting proposals almost every day so I think 3 tracks is more appropriate.

gnuite

08-01-2008, 02:49 AM

Ok Saturday scheduling v2.0

https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2008#Saturday_20

Let me know if you like it, hate it, or anything. It's starting to look crowded, but if necessary I will go up to three tracks.
Brontide, would it be possible to modify the schedule slightly so that your and my BoFs don't conflict? I'm interested in attending yours. :)

qgil

08-01-2008, 03:27 AM

Brontide, would it be possible to modify the schedule slightly so that your and my BoFs don't conflict? I'm interested in attending yours. :)

This is the kind of things that I think we could avoid by giving to each of the three tracks a broad intended audience, as proposed at https://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Maemo_Summit_2008#Comments_on_the_current_age nda

Hrw

08-01-2008, 06:51 AM

fpp

08-01-2008, 04:10 PM

Ok Saturday scheduling v2.0
https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2008#Saturday_20
Let me know if you like it, hate it, or anything. It's starting to look crowded, but if necessary I will go up to three tracks.

Thanks for adding me in, Brontide. I have just finalized my train & hotel bookings, and confirmed my registration.

With any luck I'll be in the Berlin pack next month. Yay !

Oh, wait... now I need to work on my presentation :-)

brontide

08-01-2008, 07:03 PM

I am wondering about small talk about Maemo in QEMU. 5 minut lighting talk or a bit more if possible.

http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/08/01/nokia-n8x0-emulation-part-ii/ shows current status of Maemo emulation in QEMU.

Go ahead and add yourself to the flash sessions on Saturday if you wish. If you want to give a 25 minute talk post the topic and stuff to the talk page.

Qemu is something I've wanted for a while since it open up a lot of development possibilities. I would much prefer to develop on a VM then on my own tablet and sbox has been a real pain for me.

brontide

08-07-2008, 09:19 AM

Anyone who has issues with the schedule, speak now. It's very close to being closed, in fact I have program requests for every open slot at this point.

qole

08-07-2008, 02:04 PM

As it stands, I'm going to have to attend some seminars and watch the video of the ones that I had to miss because they're at the same time... :(

Baloo

08-07-2008, 02:25 PM

Once the schedule is finalised I'll be working with the speakers and the community to come up with a list of talks that will be video'd so that may make things easier for you qole.

fpp

08-07-2008, 02:53 PM

I'm fine with it as it is (unless you *really* need that slot for something more interesting, in which case I won't make a fuss :-).

One thing that's not clear to me yet is the logistics of those presentations : is it bring-your-own-laptop, or will there be a common setup in each room, etc. Maybe this will be worked out later ?

sjgadsby

08-07-2008, 02:58 PM

One thing that's not clear to me yet is the logistics of those presentations : is it bring-your-own-laptop, or will there be a common setup in each room, etc.

According to the wiki (http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2008/Organization):
All PC presentations to be put in advance as PDF or similar in a same laptop proven to work with the projector.

fpp

08-07-2008, 04:06 PM

According to the wiki (http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2008/Organization):

Ah, thanks for that. I'm still having trouble distinguishing brainstorming from information in that Wiki section :-)

I'm very intrigued by this sentence :
"It will be possible to extract video out directly from the tablets to a projector. Nokia engineers will do the setup"

Don't want any on-the-spot surgery on my tablet :-)

qgil

08-07-2008, 04:46 PM

Don't want any on-the-spot surgery on my tablet :-)

Probably what will happen is that there will be three devices prepared to have video out and you will need to get your stuff working in one of them.

I'm starting my holidays tomorrow until the end of the month. We will sort out those details latest when I'm back.

qole

08-07-2008, 05:30 PM

I would like the devices-with-projection-capabilities to have VNC clients and an X-server and ssh*. This way, we can do live demos from the tablet.

I'm very intrigued by this sentence :
"It will be possible to extract video out directly from the tablets to a projector. Nokia engineers will do the setup"

Don't want any on-the-spot surgery on my tablet :-)

Can I take your place in line, then? I hope they leave the video out wire dangling out the side.

*I have the X-server and ssh running fine on my Windows boxes using Cygwin; really straightforward to set up.

qgil

08-08-2008, 12:43 AM

I would like the devices-with-projection-capabilities to have VNC clients and an X-server and ssh*. This way, we can do live demos from the tablet.

??? Please explain.

"Lives demos from the tablet" is precisely what we are looking for. You propose a setting

Tablet --> laptop --> Projector

and we are suggesting to demo a setting

Tablet --> Projector

without laptop in between.

That was my initial idea. However, since later on we have got the request to record the screencasts at the same time that they are being projected, we might need the laptop back no matter what the setting is. Unless someone finds the way and the performance to save a screencast in the own tablet...

Anyway, we know we can go VNC and there is also the possibility to go direct video out.

qole

08-08-2008, 01:07 AM

lardman

08-08-2008, 03:22 AM

Assuming direct video out is via a usbvga dongle (so not as cool as via the 3.5mm jack :( ), some people might have troubles with their demos if they use any of the scaling features of the LCD controller. Just a thought.

ragnar

08-08-2008, 05:47 AM

Looks like me and Tigert are also able to participate. We can be there and not-talk-about-the-future-UI. ;)

brontide

08-08-2008, 08:44 AM

I agree that video-out from the tablet would be very cool. I want that hack done to my tablet no matter what solution is decided upon.

The advantage to the laptop-VNC solution is that the tablet would remain wireless, as opposed to having a video-out cable tethering it. I also want to show some cool X-Forwarding tricks, using the tablet as the server and the laptop as the client, but that's not strictly necessary...

In this case why not use your own, pre-configured, NIT? The Projector NIT's will be useful for many people who just want to show off an application(s) without having to worry about installing/configuring/tweaking settings.

Reggie

08-08-2008, 09:15 AM

From some demos I have attended, they usually use like an overhead projector but uses a video camera to capture the device's screen on the table. Color is not perfect but it works.

brontide

08-08-2008, 12:01 PM

Looks like this will answer many of the outstanding questions. I am working on the screencasting stuff and hope to have documentation ready before the event. I don't know how much use it will be during the presentations, but if even one presenter records their work as a screencast it will be time well spent.

http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2008/Organization#Program

qole

08-08-2008, 04:08 PM

In this case why not use your own, pre-configured, NIT? The Projector NIT's will be useful for many people who just want to show off an application(s) without having to worry about installing/configuring/tweaking settings.

I was planning to use my own NIT, and I was hoping to have a access to a laptop with VNC, an X-Server and ssh as I said above, but I want the Nokia techs to set up video out on it! And then I'll pay someone to keep whatever it is they do to make video-out happen :D

ARJWright

08-14-2008, 01:48 PM

I'm kinda sad that my schedule was such this summer that I was not able to plan going to this. It looks like I'd be able to at this point, but its way too close to the date to sign up - so I hope to hear all the good stuff from you all in some kind of blog/wiki/photo/multimedia mashup piece.

Really quite sad that I'm missing the UI/UX sessions, those really interest me, especially as areas where I can see myself becoming a contributor to Maemo and the IT community more.

...however, if there's still sponsorship...

TA-t3

08-14-2008, 02:24 PM

For me it's the other way around, it's good that I didn't sign up with proposal & sponsor request, as it now turns out that it would be impossible for me to go due to sudden work schedule changes. I too will be looking forward to recordings/reports/whatever, there are now quite a few sessions listed that would be interesting to me (developer stuff, mudbuilder and more)

bunanson

08-17-2008, 09:09 AM

I looked at the schedule, https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2008#Saturday_20apparantly it has been totally revamped, right? And what we are seeing on the website maemo summit is the most current? And the previous proposed activities has been changed, those voluntee and summit booth etc....

bun

Bundyo

08-17-2008, 11:08 AM

Aargh, I'm going to miss a lot of things now. :(

Karel Jansens

08-17-2008, 12:16 PM

Just to confirm: You guys can count me out of the summit. For obvious reasons.

I'm sure nobody really cares, but I'm self-centered enough to mention it anyway.

bunanson

08-17-2008, 05:25 PM

Aargh, I'm going to miss a lot of things now. :(

Looks like everything is still there, http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2008/Exhibit, title "planned" summit/OSiM exhibit
Maemo is buy, sometimes you have to wait a loooooooooong time to get to the page.

bun

bunanson

08-17-2008, 05:31 PM

Just to confirm: You guys can count me out of the summit. For obvious reasons.

I'm sure nobody really cares, but I'm self-centered enough to mention it anyway.

It will be a BIG disappointment to bun. If you do show up, I will buy you a beer, and talk to you face to face, about HWR, as you are the only one that....use it. And you and I can quip about this 1st SSU update in private....to the bottom of it, literally.

bun

bunanson

08-17-2008, 05:34 PM

Karel Jansens

08-17-2008, 06:06 PM

It will be a BIG disappointment to bun. If you do show up, I will buy you a beer, and talk to you face to face, about HWR, as you are the only one that....use it. And you and I can quip about this 1st SSU update in private....to the bottom of it, literally.

bun
For a brief moment I toyed with the idea of bringing my Newtons, just to show what real HWR is and how it makes the best use of the limited screen real estate of a handheld tablet.

But it's all just pointless; Nokia has made it clear that they don't want a stylus-driven handheld, but rather a finger-prodded iClone; they don't want a device for entering content, they want a consumer-targeted, no-brain PMP (probably because those customers tend to be less intelligent and therefore less bothersome).

So why should I fight windmills?

bunanson

08-17-2008, 06:24 PM

For a brief moment I toyed with the idea of bringing my Newtons, just to show what real HWR is and how it makes the best use of the limited screen real estate of a handheld tablet.

But it's all just pointless; Nokia has made it clear that they don't want a stylus-driven handheld, but rather a finger-prodded iClone; they don't want a device for entering content, they want a consumer-targeted, no-brain PMP (probably because those customers tend to be less intelligent and therefore less bothersome).

So why should I fight windmills?

Well, I NEVER make people do things, I just wish you would be there, and I can show you how 'handsomely' I have trained myself in writing on the Nokia, and MOST OF ALL, I can provide a hot ear for your Nokia bashing that nobody can.

Finally, the one that fights with windmills did go down in history, right? Dont you want to leave a footprint in maemo history, KJ?

Oh, I have never touch a Newton. I heard about it, and read about it and that is it. I used a TI99 and TRS-80.

bun

TA-t3

08-18-2008, 07:11 AM

lardman

08-18-2008, 07:25 AM

Let's hope there are enough people with video cameras that we can catch up on the missed content in time to ask questions outside the specific talks, etc.

Bundyo

08-18-2008, 07:49 AM

Yeah, 'cause i sadly have to leave at noon :(

Karel Jansens

08-18-2008, 08:23 AM

Well, I NEVER make people do things, I just wish you would be there, and I can show you how 'handsomely' I have trained myself in writing on the Nokia, and MOST OF ALL, I can provide a hot ear for your Nokia bashing that nobody can.

Finally, the one that fights with windmills did go down in history, right? Dont you want to leave a footprint in maemo history, KJ?

Oh, I have never touch a Newton. I heard about it, and read about it and that is it. I used a TI99 and TRS-80.

bun
You almost made me change my mind.

Almost...

TA-t3

08-18-2008, 08:59 AM

Hey, if I could go to the Summit I also would have liked to have Karel there.. I'm sure more than a few people would like to get some kick-ar*e devil's advocate arguments served up front, no prisoners taken.

qole

08-18-2008, 01:11 PM

Looking at the current Saturday schedule I'm almost glad that I can't be there.. I would be totally frustrated by the fact that so many interesting sessions are scheduled at the same time! The choices.. I would have wanted to attend most of them.

I have decided to clone myself. I hear there's a renegade clinic in Berlin that does cloning while-you-wait.

fpp

08-26-2008, 11:54 AM

Texrat

08-26-2008, 12:18 PM

You almost made me change my mind.

Almost...

You should be there, if for no other reason, as Official Devil's Advocate. It's a needed role.

If you don't go, you forfeit the right to gripe further.

:p

EDIT: gah... the more I read about it the sadder I am about missing it... :(

TA-t3

08-26-2008, 12:51 PM

Karel: Go there, go there, go there! And bring your Newtons too. I just wish I had the time to go there myself. If I did, I would love to see a demonstration of the Newton HWR. I'm sure I'm not the only one, and some of those people will actually be there! (unlike me.)

Baloo

08-26-2008, 01:43 PM

Let's hope there are enough people with video cameras that we can catch up on the missed content in time to ask questions outside the specific talks, etc.

I'll be recording sessions but we only have one video camera. Maybe some sound recording equipment for audio only recordings?

fpp

08-26-2008, 02:17 PM

You should be there, if for no other reason, as Official Devil's Advocate. It's a needed role.
If you don't go, you forfeit the right to gripe further.

I wouldn't bet on that, myself :-)

fpp

08-26-2008, 02:19 PM

Texrat

08-26-2008, 03:44 PM

I, for one, have never seen a (working) Newton, and would love to fondle one. Especially one of Karel's :-)

Get a room! :p

Karel Jansens

08-26-2008, 04:35 PM

If you don't go, you forfeit the right to gripe further.
I think that's pretty much a given at this point.:(

Karel Jansens

08-26-2008, 04:36 PM

So we can have that beer we spoke of and talk about other things ? :-)
No. I'm really sorry about that part.

Karel Jansens

08-26-2008, 04:37 PM

Texrat

08-26-2008, 06:38 PM

I think that's pretty much a given at this point.:(

Oh, heck, I was just kidding you. I'm sure not the one to tell you how to express yourself. Gripe away!

But, yeah, those guys are gonna have a blast and we're gonna miss out. Hey, Karel... we finally have something in common! :D

andrewfblack

08-27-2008, 01:54 PM

Hey got 2 questions is this going to be a yearly thing, and any chance of this coming to the US one year. I wouldn't be able to aford to fly to other side of the world but I would love to go.

lardman

08-27-2008, 02:43 PM

Hey got 2 questions is this going to be a yearly thing, and any chance of this coming to the US one year.

I suppose that would depend where the majority of developers are - Hawaii sounds good for next year ;)

I wouldn't be able to aford to fly to other side of the world but I would love to go.

Write some cool apps, get sponsored

GeneralAntilles

08-27-2008, 02:45 PM

Hey got 2 questions is this going to be a yearly thing, and any chance of this coming to the US one year. I wouldn't be able to aford to fly to other side of the world but I would love to go.

Yeah, the Stateside folks need some lovin', too. We've been mostly excluded from the last two big Maemo events. :(

Baloo

08-27-2008, 02:47 PM

Hey got 2 questions is this going to be a yearly thing, and any chance of this coming to the US one year. I wouldn't be able to aford to fly to other side of the world but I would love to go.

To answer the former question, I would of thought that the answer would be decided on the success of the first summit. I see it as a yearly event though.

As for a US summit, I think most of the developers that the summit is targeting are based in Europe and the ones outside of that are/can be sponsored to attend but I'm willing to be corrected.

GeneralAntilles

08-27-2008, 02:58 PM

As for a US summit, I think most of the developers that the summit is targeting are based in Europe and the ones outside of that are/can be sponsored to attend but I'm willing to be corrected.

Then corrected you will be. Only a very limited number of stateside "rockstars" (as Quim put it) could be sponsored to attend, thereby excluding the majority of stateside contributors (I could've gotten sponsorship if I had applied, so don't take this as a bitter reaction on my part from being declined, just a defense of my fellow North, South, and Central American contributors :)). So, yeah, the location has a big effect on whether certain people can attend, regardless of sponsorship money.

Baloo

08-27-2008, 03:02 PM

Then corrected you will be. Only a very limited number of stateside "rockstars" (as Quim put it) could be sponsored to attend, thereby excluding the majority of stateside contributors (I could've gotten sponsorship if I had applied, so don't take this as a bitter reaction on my part from being declined, just a defense of my fellow North, South, and Central American contributors :)). So, yeah, the location has a big effect on whether certain people can attend, regardless of sponsorship money.

But that was my point. If the majority of the developers and target audience of the summit are based in Europe then it makes sense to hold it there and sponsor a select few from elsewhere. I know some developers being sponsored to fly in from far off places so I think that is the case.

It would be interesting to compile a list of top maemo developers/contributors and see where they are based geographically.

GeneralAntilles

08-27-2008, 03:05 PM

But that was my point. If the majority of the developers and target audience of the summit are based in Europe then it makes sense to hold it there and sponsor a select few from elsewhere. I know some developers being sponsored to fly in from far off places so I think that is the case.

It would be interesting to compile a list of top maemo developers/contributors and see where they are based geographically.

Clearly there are contributors from elsewhere, though, (and a lot of them from South America ;)) even if it were a majority, it still doesn't make sense to hold ALL of the Summits in Europe. Perhaps every 3rd Summit should be held elsewhere? ;)

Baloo

08-27-2008, 03:10 PM

Clearly there are contributors from elsewhere, though, (and a lot of them from South America ;)) even if it were a majority, it still doesn't make sense to hold ALL of the Summits in Europe. Perhaps every 3rd Summit should be held elsewhere? ;)

I'm all for that, Hawaii maybe ;)

Texrat

08-27-2008, 03:43 PM

I vote Dallas. Or maybe Austin. :D

lardman

08-27-2008, 03:52 PM

I vote Dallas. Or maybe Austin.

Hmm, Dallas, Hawaii, Dallas, Hawaii. Well, although close, I think I'd go for Hawaii ;)

GeneralAntilles

08-27-2008, 03:54 PM

I vote Dallas. Or maybe Austin. :D

Yeah, Hawaii is a bit out of the way. I could go for Texas, that one's easy. ;)

qole

08-27-2008, 10:58 PM

GeneralAntilles

08-27-2008, 11:11 PM

I've e-mailed Mr Gil, but he hasn't responded to me before now, so I doubt he'll respond now...

Yeah, well, he is on vacation. :rolleyes: :p

Baloo

08-28-2008, 02:14 AM

Weird. I just saw the OSiMWorld list (https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_in_OSiM_World_2008#Sponsored_participants) for the first time, and I'm not on it! That means either there's been a mix-up, or I was purposely not sponsored to go. :(

I've e-mailed Mr Gil, but he hasn't responded to me before now, so I doubt he'll respond now...

That means I'm flying into Berlin 3 days too early. I guess I'll be a tourist.

Thats a shame, maybe its just a mix-up? With Quim Gil on vacation I have no idea who you could contact to sort something out he did say that the registration was done the first week of August :(

sjgadsby

08-28-2008, 07:10 AM

I just saw the OSiMWorld list (https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_in_OSiM_World_2008#Sponsored_participants) for the first time, and I'm not on it!
<snip>
That means I'm flying into Berlin 3 days too early.

Check the OSiM World Brochure PDF. I find it doesn't provide the level of clear detail included in similar brochures from other conferences I've attended, but it appears you will be able to attend the DevSeshes* for free. You might be able to attend the keynotes and/or the show floor as well, but the brochure doesn't spell that out.

If you are able to enter all those events and areas for free, your days will still be fairly full. I exchanged some email messages with Quim before his vacation about this option, thinking it might be better if he didn't spend money on getting me into the "streams".

* 1. native application development for Access Linux, 2. partnering with Motorola on mobile applications, 3. Intel Atom processors and Moblin technologies, 4. Maemo, 5. Google Android 6. ???

allnameswereout

08-28-2008, 07:30 PM

No offense to any US resident but if you keep a summit in US, your NIT (or any electronic device) while travelling can be confiscated by Customs for an unlimited amount of time for no stated reason whatsoever. I'm sure there are tons of other reasons why one would not want to visit the US. Europe, and any other country I'm aware of, is much easier to access in this particular regard.

One could always host an unofficial meeting of some kind. For example a hackathon.

I wonder if Nokia will be represented at FOSDEM 2009? I'm looking forward to that even if it'd be non-Linux/non-NIT (e.g. other N-series or Symbian) related.

That means I'm flying into Berlin 3 days too early. I guess I'll be a tourist.

Kein problem: Viel (http://www.berlin.de/english/).. spass (http://www.berlin.de/eventkalender/btm/_bin/index.cgi?language=EN&stage=live&modus=HTML)..! :D

GeneralAntilles

08-28-2008, 07:32 PM

eliagp

08-28-2008, 07:37 PM

I have decided to clone myself. I hear there's a renegade clinic in Berlin that does cloning while-you-wait.

Time travelling is also a choice, if planned carefully.
If they could get a database with videos it would be really nice for those who can't make it, or for those who can but can't get to all the conferences.

YoDude

08-28-2008, 09:18 PM

Weird. I just saw the OSiMWorld list (https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_in_OSiM_World_2008#Sponsored_participants) for the first time, and I'm not on it! That means either there's been a mix-up, or I was purposely not sponsored to go. :(

I've e-mailed Mr Gil, but he hasn't responded to me before now, so I doubt he'll respond now...

That means I'm flying into Berlin 3 days too early. I guess I'll be a tourist.

It does say at the end of that list...

And more!

You must be "more". :)

qole

08-29-2008, 12:01 AM

I'm hoping that (1) there was a mix-up and/or (2) I can get a lower-tiered sponsorship, that is, if it costs something to go to the floor show, etc, Nokia will cover that (but not the Developer streams stuff)... If I can get in the door of the show, but I can't go to the developer stream stuff, I will be glad to sit at the Maemo table for as much time as you need me there...

Worst case scenario, I'll be visiting some nice museums, etc.

PS: YoDude, that "And More" is the title for the next session. Ha ha. :)

Texrat

08-29-2008, 12:18 AM

Psh, Europe is no better here. Every place sucks, the US isn't unique in that regard. ;)

However, our restrictions HAVE been a huge problem for my international team. I wanted to host some conferences here but was told the US government makes it way too difficult.

Only real trouble I've had abroad has been in Paris and Zurich. In the former they just like to hassle Americans. In the latter, I think my collection of Nokia gadgetry set off 15 red alerts. :D

I travel lighter now.

Texrat

08-29-2008, 12:19 AM

You must be "more". :)

...or less.

Baloo

08-29-2008, 03:05 AM

I will be glad to sit at the Maemo table for as much time as you need me there...

We can always do with more hands on the stand.

twaelti

08-29-2008, 04:48 AM

Only real trouble I've had abroad has been in Paris and Zurich. In the former they just like to hassle Americans. In the latter, I think my collection of Nokia gadgetry set off 15 red alerts. :D
I just registered for the Maemo Summit and will therefore test ZRH airport with a N82, a N810, an Apple Wireless Keyboard plus loads of replacement batteries and adapters ;)

Baloo

08-29-2008, 04:56 AM

I just registered for the Maemo Summit and will therefore test ZRH airport with a N82, a N810, an Apple Wireless Keyboard plus loads of replacement batteries and adapters ;)

I'm doing the videoing for the event so I'll be bringing, amongst other things,

Nokia n800
Nikon D40x
Panasonic HDC-SD5
Tripod
Roll-up keyboard
Nokia n95-2
Dell XPS M1330 laptop
1TB hard drive in enclosure
various other bits and pieces

Oh and maybe a change of clothes ;)

Jaffa

08-29-2008, 05:47 AM

I'm doing the videoing for the event so I'll be bringing, amongst other things, [...] Oh and maybe a change of clothes ;)

I hope so, I don't think the hotel'd be big enough to get away from the smell ;-)

Texrat

08-29-2008, 08:31 AM

twaelti and Baloo, I think you guys should definitely avoid clustering at the airports.

allnameswereout

08-29-2008, 11:50 AM

Psh, Europe is no better here. Every place sucks, the US isn't unique in that regard. ;)

EU != Europe, and the laws in each European country differ. For example, in UK one can be forced to reveal your cryptographic keys. I'm not saying Europe or EU are the creme de la creme in general, mind you.

In this specific example however the EU however doesn't have a similar policy as U.S. Government Policy for Seizing Laptops at Borders (http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/08/us_government_p.html)

Amazing. The U.S. government has published its policy: they can take your laptop anywhere they want, for as long as they want, and share the information with anyone they want: [...]

All this for _no_ reason whatsoever. This has fishing expedition written all over it.

My argument is that these oppressive policies make the US a less attractive country to travel to while the low USD makes it an attractive destination to stay. Both are arguments to be taken into account IMO.

qole

09-02-2008, 12:29 AM

Whew, looks like I'll be there at the big conference, too. Just got confirmation that it was a mix-up. Oh well, the museums will have to wait! :D

Baloo

09-02-2008, 04:06 AM

Whew, looks like I'll be there at the big conference, too. Just got confirmation that it was a mix-up. Oh well, the museums will have to wait! :D

Glad it got cleared up in the end. :)

allnameswereout

09-09-2008, 07:22 AM

However, our restrictions HAVE been a huge problem for my international team. I wanted to host some conferences here but was told the US government makes it way too difficult.

Only real trouble I've had abroad has been in Paris and Zurich. In the former they just like to hassle Americans. In the latter, I think my collection of Nokia gadgetry set off 15 red alerts. :D

I travel lighter now.

America is bigger than the US. You can always host one outside the US. For example, the OpenBSD team regularly comes together in Canada for their hackathons.

Will there be press coverage about the summit?

I can think of 2 kinds of press coverage: community and regular. Community, maybe throughout the day or at the end of the day some folks from maemo.org or internettablettalk could (alone or collaborating) post on forum or frontpage about their experience / feelings, or something more in depth.

Regular journalists need to know about the summit. I've done my 2 ct in this regard contacting IT journalists I know and that was it regarding my inspiration however given this is in Germany I certainly wish a respected news outlet like derspiegel.de or heise.de writes an article about the summit.

Texrat

09-09-2008, 07:41 AM

America is bigger than the US. You can always host one outside the US.

I'm well aware of both points.

My remark was in a US-location context though.

Baloo

09-09-2008, 07:48 AM

Will there be press coverage about the summit?

http://linuxuk.org/node/53
http://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Maemo_Summit_2008_recordings

HTH

GeneralAntilles

09-10-2008, 09:11 AM

Jaffa spotted this one (http://linuxuk.org/node/53#comment-76).

Something interesting's a-cookin'. . . .

Baloo

09-10-2008, 09:26 AM

Jaffa spotted this one (http://linuxuk.org/node/53#comment-76).

Something interesting's a-cookin'. . . .

Yes, looks like its going to be very interesting if its going to generate that much hype.

qole

09-10-2008, 11:52 AM

Oh. Wow. He's dropping some kind of A-Bomb. I get the impression that it isn't so much a product announcement as it is a policy change? A corporate decision that will change how Nokia does things (in regards to Maemo and open source), and will shake up the industry? Hm. On the other hand, it might just be a product announcement.

EDIT: I guess it could be a product announcement and a policy change. A new product (or product line) that signals a change in the way Nokia does things? Maybe they're replacing Symbian with Maemo? ;)

Benson

09-10-2008, 12:30 PM

I dunno, I think a N900 announcement with a load of fremantle-related policy discussion would do it.

allnameswereout

09-10-2008, 01:30 PM

Maybe they're replacing Symbian with Maemo? ;)

Buying & open sourcing Symbian for nothing? Yeah right :p maybe the other way around. Qt on Symbian? ;)

..and I remember Qt2 on the Zaurus..would never have imagined Nokia picking the whole idea up into reality..

Texrat

09-10-2008, 01:44 PM

Something interesting's a-cookin'. . . .

Hee hee HEE.

qole

09-10-2008, 01:51 PM

I dunno, I think a N900 announcement with a load of fremantle-related policy discussion would do it.

Hm, I might almost be disappointed by that. But I'm terrible when it comes to getting my expectations up. I always expect too much. I guess I'm terrified that the N900 will be one step forward, one step back, like the N810. Sure, it will have features X and Y, but they had to sacrifice features W and Z to make it happen... Everyone will be going "ooh" and "ahh" over the new faster processor and big pretty screen, and I'll be sadly shaking my head that they didn't bring back the two full size SD card slots of the N800, and the still-awkward placement of the USB connector. But that's me. Mr. Eeyore.

http://qole.maemobox.org/images/eeyore1.jpg

Benson

09-10-2008, 02:37 PM

Well, ok; didn't mean I'd necessarily be happy with it, either; just that that would account for the predicted level of reaction. Remember, the implication was a mob with questions, and not all questions are happy.

Still, maybe it'll be the N9xx series, with 99 models to suit every taste, skill level, and budget! (Now you're guaranteed to be dissatisfied :p)

johnkzin

09-14-2008, 08:48 PM

Yeah, Hawaii is a bit out of the way. I could go for Texas, that one's easy. ;)

Yeah, I have family in the Dallas area. I could easily afford to attend a Summit there. Not that I'm sure everyone who is active in this thread would want to see me.

If it weren't for the 8ish hour time difference, 2 teleconferenced Summits (for next year, not this one), one in the US and one in Europe, would be kind of cool. A wall projector in the back of each room, so that it looks (virtually) like you have one very long room with a stage at each end.

So, for talks given in the US, it looks like the European members are in the way back of the room, and the European members would have to turn their chairs around to face the back of their room; and visa verse (for talks given in Europe, the US members would have to turn their chairs around to face the back of their room, and they'd appear to be to the rear of the European conf. room). Then one or two supplementary monitors for closeups of the stage speakers, or something along those lines.

With the time difference, though, you'd almost want all of the sessions to be set late afternoon/evening in Europe, and then mid/late morning in the US. That might be ok, but it might be sort of uncomfortable, too.

johnkzin

09-14-2008, 09:12 PM

EU != Europe, and the laws in each European country differ. For example, in UK one can be forced to reveal your cryptographic keys. I'm not saying Europe or EU are the creme de la creme in general, mind you.

In this specific example however the EU however doesn't have a similar policy as U.S. Government Policy for Seizing Laptops at Borders (http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/08/us_government_p.html)

On the other hand, your N810 isn't likely to hit their radar as a Laptop.

Put your data card(s) into a separate container (made of nylon mesh, leather, cloth, or light plastic).

Put your N810 in its regular case, in an external pocket of your briefcase/backpack/messenger-bag, just like it's a cell phone. And that's how they'll almost certainly treat your N810 -- like it's your second cell phone.

Really, when I last traveled, they were FAR more concerned about this nylon mesh pouch I had full of 8 (total) AA and AAA batteries, than they were about the Hard Plastic Pelican Case I had with the N810 inside ... or my iGo Stowaway keyboard. The latter two things didn't seem important to them at all.

qole

09-14-2008, 09:58 PM

I'm going to be bringing 2 N800s, a portable HDD, a camera, a battery pack, a hub, my bluetooth GPS, bluetooth keyboard, lots of spare AA batteries, lots of wires and connectors, etc... I hope they don't think I'm trying to build a bomb or something.

There's something a bit ironic about being able to carry on all of this stuff but not being able to carry on a bottle of shampoo or a pair of tiny scissors in a sewing pack.

Benson

09-14-2008, 10:23 PM

Yeah, I have family in the Dallas area. I could easily afford to attend a Summit there. Not that I'm sure everyone who is active in this thread would want to see me.

If it weren't for the 8ish hour time difference, 2 teleconferenced Summits (for next year, not this one), one in the US and one in Europe, would be kind of cool. A wall projector in the back of each room, so that it looks (virtually) like you have one very long room with a stage at each end.

So, for talks given in the US, it looks like the European members are in the way back of the room, and the European members would have to turn their chairs around to face the back of their room; and visa verse (for talks given in Europe, the US members would have to turn their chairs around to face the back of their room, and they'd appear to be to the rear of the European conf. room). Then one or two supplementary monitors for closeups of the stage speakers, or something along those lines.

With the time difference, though, you'd almost want all of the sessions to be set late afternoon/evening in Europe, and then mid/late morning in the US. That might be ok, but it might be sort of uncomfortable, too.
That would be very cool. I favor late schedules over early ones, though; "morning" is a scary word for me. Still, any summit's better than no summit.

And, since N8x0s should be rather abundant, tablet-suitable video streams would not be out of order for those auxiliary feeds...

allnameswereout

09-14-2008, 10:28 PM

@ qole, what you don't need don't take with you on carry-on. I had all kind of legal supplements with me, and I was afraid they'd go figure out what the hell that all was, but I put it in my bagage. The carry-on gets a special treatment.

On the other hand, your N810 isn't likely to hit their radar as a Laptop.

Laptop is in the headline. Headlines are hardly ever accurate, and you clearly haven't read the article. The article speaks about any device able to store data. That includes a DAP, camera, PDA, cellphone too, for example.

The problem is not that they are allowed to confiscate this. It makes sense to confiscate something like fruit. They are legit matters. The problem, besides privacy issues, is that the TSA doesn't need a probable cause, and that they can keep the device(s) indefintely. The United States also plans on a copyright police doing the work of *AA.

For example, my DAP only contains legal copies of music but it'd be a hell to proof to them I own these copies.

Really, when I last traveled, they were FAR more concerned about this nylon mesh pouch I had full of 8 (total) AA and AAA batteries, than they were about the Hard Plastic Pelican Case I had with the N810 inside ... or my iGo Stowaway keyboard. The latter two things didn't seem important to them at all.

When was this?

They never cared about my electronic devices either, but that was more than a year ago. This 'laptop' policy however is recent.

The only pathetic thing about the EU airline policy is that they care about liquids which have to be properly bagged, and apparently a can of saturated coconut oil is a terrorist tool as well, because it was confiscated at SFO. My lipstick was in a seperate, plastic bag.

Besides that, I don't wish to be treated like an animal/criminal, and the last time I was in the USA it was heading that way. Fingerprints, iris scan, address, searching through all bagage, have to explain what I come doing. On SFO I even had to put my shoes off. Then again, thats California...

YMMV. I speak for myself, not all non-US or EU civilians.

allnameswereout

09-14-2008, 10:36 PM

That would be very cool. I favor late schedules over early ones, though; "morning" is a scary word for me. Still, any summit's better than no summit.

And, since N8x0s should be rather abundant, tablet-suitable video streams would not be out of order for those auxiliary feeds...

Yeah, its a nice idea, and not only necessarily for US and EU, also for other parts of the world. You could even sync up to each other's podcasts and videos.

Live sessions might be difficult, the time difference between Berlin and New York is usually 6 hours, and Berlin and San Francisco it is usually 9 hours. In Helsinki its even an hour later than in Berlin, and London is an hour earlier than Berlin. See GMT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GMT) on Wikipedia for more details.

To make the time difference as small as possible East USA would probably be the easiest. Also, not all would have to be live/interactive, maybe only a selected bunch of scheduled events.

I said 'is usually' because daylight savings are activated at different times in US and Europe (and throughout the world as well). On Wikipedia is more information about these differences. Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time_around_the_world).