View Full Version : Forum upgrade and new minimalistic theme
Reggie
07-31-2008, 08:20 AM
I just finished upgrading the forums to the latest version to bring in security fixes as well as enhancements. This is a major upgrade so I would appreciate that you all report any problems you encounter in the forums.
Also, with the help of andrewfblack (http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/member.php?u=16237) (thanks andrew!), a new Minimalistic theme has been added which makes it easy to browse the forums on a mobile device. It's not perfect but the common features of the forums are working well. Report any problems you encounter on the new theme as well.
Thanks..
brontide
07-31-2008, 09:06 AM
A few issues I see with the new minimalistic version.
No Thanks button
No advanced edit / Quote
The main page is missing the "New Posts" search hiding under quick links
No way to see, at a glace, what threads you have posted on
The theme seems like a huge advance in terms of using the forum on the NIT, but without these items it's hard for me to use it on a regular basis.
looks quite impressive, altho i seem to be missing a reply/quote button...
oh and maybe a thanks button :P
err, kinda redundant ;)
Stout
07-31-2008, 09:17 AM
love it!
back to normal view to thank you now...)-
just noticed that on the "new posts" page, the link to the threads go all the way over to the post count. this makes it had to drag to scroll as what looks like empty space is really a link to a page...
hmm, also just found that the post count number takes one to the first unread post in a thread. now if the background of that area could maybe change if one have posted in a thread it would cover my minimum needs.
sjgadsby
07-31-2008, 09:29 AM
I like the new thread tagging feature. Thanks, Reggie!
Reggie
07-31-2008, 10:12 AM
hmm, also just found that the post count number takes one to the first unread post in a thread. now if the background of that area could maybe change if one have posted in a thread it would cover my minimum needs.
Yes, clicking on the post count will go to the first unread post, while clicking on the thread title will go to the first page.
Benson
07-31-2008, 10:45 AM
The wiki seems to be broken, and as Tso pointed out, the thread title links are full-width. Also, the pagenav links don't fill the entire td, making them a little tricky to click on.
I can fix the latter, though, with:
.pagenav td a { display: table-cell !IMPORTANT; width: 30px !IMPORTANT; height: 100% !IMPORTANT; vertical-align: center !IMPORTANT; text-align: center !IMPORTANT;} But I know that's not doing it right, and I really didn't understand what I was doing when I wrote that.
Benson
07-31-2008, 10:47 AM
Oh, and I can't edit my post to mention that I do like it! And I can't thank you either... Oh, well, back to Classic for such rare tasks. ;)
TA-t3
07-31-2008, 10:47 AM
Ah yeah, I also just noticed that the wiki is borken (some php error), as Benson reported.
Reggie
07-31-2008, 10:48 AM
Good catch on the wiki. It's up now.
qwerty12
07-31-2008, 11:06 AM
I think the N810 V2 theme needs to have it's profile section updated.
Classic:
http://i35.tinypic.com/jihnpz.png
N810 V2:
http://i33.tinypic.com/2dmf2w1.png
sjgadsby
07-31-2008, 11:11 AM
I think the N810 V2 theme needs to have it's profile section updated.
Yep. The "Thanks!" information is missing.
andrewfblack
07-31-2008, 12:25 PM
I want to thank reggie for giving me credit on this we both worked hard on it. I will talk to reggie about adding thanks features and such, i knew there would be some problems since there was just the two of us testing it. But i would say it runs faster on my tablet then any of the other templates so far. Thanks again Andrew
andrewfblack
07-31-2008, 12:28 PM
Just found a problem of my own wiki link does work right.
iamthewalrus
07-31-2008, 01:28 PM
Looks great. One thing I miss though is 'New Posts'. I prefer that to browsing through individual forums. Talking of which ..one thing that has always bugged me about 'New Posts' is the search-spam block preventing me from bookmarking the link. Couldn't some kind caching make this block unnecessary?<edit> hmm... bookmarking seems to work work now </edit>
andrewfblack
07-31-2008, 01:37 PM
Looks great. One thing I miss though is 'New Posts'. I prefer that to browsing through individual forums. Talking of which ..one thing that has always bugged me about 'New Posts' is the search-spam block preventing me from bookmarking the link. Couldn't some kind caching make this block unnecessary?
The New Post link is under the Quick Links I was trying to keep as little on the main layout as possible.
This new theme is quite good and likeable - maybe no quite as fast as the original "mobile", but certainly less barebones and very usable on the tablets. Nice job !
The New Post link is under the Quick Links I was trying to keep as little on the main layout as possible.
maybe one should put a arrow or something there to indicate that its a drop down menu?
two more.
1. the quick reply box is a bit small and seems to be missing a scroll bar.
2. the "last post by" under the tgread title shows the nick of the thread starter.
iamthewalrus
08-01-2008, 04:12 AM
A couple more things I noticed:
The topic-title-links cause me to click by accident when scrolling through them, because the link is wider then the actual title. I think it should be visible which pixels are a link and which aren't, and leave some space horzontally for scrolling by dragging the screen.
I think some vertical space in the topic lists can be saved while still keeping the links finger friendly.
There are now two links per topic to go to the last reply: the arrow-icon and the number of replies. You could save some space by leaving out the arrow, and that would also minimize risk of clicking that instead of the OP.
The italics of the quotes makes them less readable. I think color/backgroundcolor and maybe some kind of quote marks would be enough to indicate that it is a quote.
Benson
08-01-2008, 07:49 AM
You're gonna think we really hate this theme, but we honestly don't! One more nitpick: Attached images are displayed at some tiny (portrait-friendly!) size; that's good, but I can't find any way to view one fullsize on the N800. I know this is partly due to Microb's deficiencies in the context menu, but still, could the image be/be captioned with a link to the image?
constructive critisism is a sign of love, no ;)
jhford
08-01-2008, 09:10 AM
When I'm on ITT using my tablet and select any style other than Classic from Quick Style Chooser, it automatically reverts to Classic.
Any help is appreciated.
brontide
08-01-2008, 09:47 AM
When I'm on ITT using my tablet and select any style other than Classic from Quick Style Chooser, it automatically reverts to Classic.
Any help is appreciated.
Sounds like a cookie problem.
Benson
08-01-2008, 09:50 AM
When I'm on ITT using my tablet and select any style other than Classic from Quick Style Chooser, it automatically reverts to Classic.
Any help is appreciated.
You have a greasemonkey script that forces Classic?
andrewfblack
08-01-2008, 10:18 AM
You're gonna think we really hate this theme, but we honestly don't! One more nitpick: Attached images are displayed at some tiny (portrait-friendly!) size; that's good, but I can't find any way to view one fullsize on the N800. I know this is partly due to Microb's deficiencies in the context menu, but still, could the image be/be captioned with a link to the image?
Its cool if you didn't like it at all I know you would suggest how to fix it because you wouldn't care. Alot of the problems are things that could not be seen until it was tested on a full scale.
gemniii42
08-01-2008, 10:22 AM
Except for the thanks button it looks good.
thanks
/edit
It'd be nice if we could set our default veersion to classic.
Reggie
08-01-2008, 10:47 AM
I think the N810 V2 theme needs to have it's profile section updated.
Done.
I'm monitoring this thread so changes will be done in small increments.
Thanks all!
jhford
08-01-2008, 11:38 AM
You have a greasemonkey script that forces Classic?
Ah-ha. That was it. Very smart. Thanks..
TA-t3
08-01-2008, 12:11 PM
Reggie,
I can't download any attachments anymore, they have Content-type unknown/unknown (or possibly no content-type), which the firewall over here won't let through.
Reggie
08-01-2008, 01:12 PM
Reggie,
I can't download any attachments anymore, they have Content-type unknown/unknown (or possibly no content-type), which the firewall over here won't let through.
Can you give the thread you are having problems with?
TA-t3
08-10-2008, 03:44 PM
Sorry for replying late - I was on a sudden 1 week vacation.
My download problem seems to be on every attachment, I first noticed it in this post:
http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=208486&postcount=1
when trying to download the attachment:
http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2206&d=1217388119
I can't download it through a firewall which checks for Content-Type, but I can download it if I go through a proxy which doesn't check for this. Using curl -I to check the http header (via that proxy) shows this:
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 19:40:08 GMT
Server: Apache/1.3.39 (Unix) mod_auth_passthrough/1.8 mod_log_bytes/1.2 mod_bwlimited/1.4 FrontPage/5.0.2.2635.SR1.2 mod_ssl/2.8.30 OpenSSL/0.9.8b PHP-CGI/0.1b
Accept-Ranges: bytes
Cache-control: max-age=31536000, private
Content-disposition: attachment; filename="SpeedTweak-0.0.3-1_all.deb"
ETag: "2206"
Expires: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:40:31 GMT
Vary: User-Agent
X-Powered-By: PHP/5.2.4
X-UA-Compatible: IE=7
Last-Modified: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 03:21:36 GMT
Content-Length: 1734
Connection: close
Content-Type: unknown/unknown
What the firewall blocks on is Content-Type: unknown/unknown
I believe this used to be x-debian-package or something like it, before.
GeneralAntilles
08-10-2008, 03:55 PM
The theme is nice, but it really isn't useful without most of the same information that the regular theme contains.
yep, right now mobile does a better job then minimalist, even with bugs like the small table width in the subscribed threads list...
andrewfblack
08-11-2008, 03:10 PM
The theme is nice, but it really isn't useful without most of the same information that the regular theme contains.
It has all the features Reggie wanted me to add to it, it is suppose to be a lite version and not have all the features mainly for reading the forums and searching, but if Reggie wants them added I can do it.
nikolajhendel
08-11-2008, 03:13 PM
I think the theme is pretty nice - only downside is that it doesn't jump to last read position when opening a thread.
Reggie
08-11-2008, 03:22 PM
I think the theme is pretty nice - only downside is that it doesn't jump to last read position when opening a thread.
You have to click on the the number of comments so it would do that.
andrewfblack
08-11-2008, 03:24 PM
You have to click on the the number of comments so it would do that.
Its the same as regular theme.
GeneralAntilles
08-11-2008, 03:56 PM
It has all the features Reggie wanted me to add to it, it is suppose to be a lite version and not have all the features mainly for reading the forums and searching, but if Reggie wants them added I can do it.
Unfortunately this limited set makes it unusably "minimalist". I would like to use the theme, but without the same (or at least a very close) feature set to the default themes, I can't.
Reggie
08-11-2008, 04:09 PM
Which features are you specifically looking for that you would like to use on an 800x480 (or smaller) screen GA?
Btw, thanks block has been fixed and thanks button has been added.
nice, even tho the thanks have the same issue as many other links in this the, they are much larger then they need to be. it seems to be streching the width of the post...
brontide
08-12-2008, 11:14 PM
Is there any possibility of making the page numbers more finger friendly as well? Oh, wait... did that change recently...... /me needs glasses
sachin007
08-12-2008, 11:21 PM
I like the theme, but scrolling is real hard. Some how the links get clicked when i try to scroll with my finger ..... even if i use the right part of the screen.... some links get clicked.
stevecrye
08-13-2008, 01:53 PM
I really, really like the new minimalist theme. It's FAST! It is far more readable than Mobile, which was my previous choice. I'm finding that I don't have to hop back to Classic as much. Great Job!
* The search actually works and has all the features!
* The post count is nice
Classic is just far , far too slow on my n810 to use.
Benson noted this:
Attached images are displayed at some tiny (portrait-friendly!) size; that's good, but I can't find any way to view one fullsize on the N800. I know this is partly due to Microb's deficiencies in the context menu, but still, could the image be/be captioned with a link to the image?
I second this suggestion. It's a tease to just see a tiny image.
Could we also have an option to "subscribe to thread", under Quick Links? I like the idea of the Quick Links button, lets load it with more options.
And in user CP, could we have all the options such as "all subscribed threads"?
IMHO, the idea behind a minimalist theme would be simple text-based links, no images for buttons, no fancy fonts, but retain as much of the functionality of Classic as possible.
Lastly, if we can't have buttons for the various tags when doing quick reply, perhaps a legend for the most popular tags?
Thanks,
$teve
andrewfblack
08-13-2008, 02:03 PM
I've been trying to contact Reggie about several things including adding things to the theme but I don't know if he gets so many PMs he doesn't read mine or if he just has not had time to anwser me. Reggie if you see this contact me either on here or IM.
just noticed that while i can thank, trying to remove it again gave me a access right error.
nikolajhendel
08-13-2008, 03:32 PM
You have to click on the the number of comments so it would do that.
Hmmm- not sure we are talking about the same thing.
In regular theme - when I look at the front page (new posts) and select a thread - it jumps to the last position it was in when I read it last. Fx. if the last time I read the thread was on page 10 - this is where it "picks up".
Minimalist theme does not do this when I click on a thread under "new posts".
Benson
08-13-2008, 03:37 PM
Don't click the thread title in minimalistic; click on the number at the far right; that takes you to the oldest unread post.
andrewfblack
08-13-2008, 03:38 PM
Hmmm- not sure we are talking about the same thing.
In regular theme - when I look at the front page (new posts) and select a thread - it jumps to the last position it was in when I read it last. Fx. if the last time I read the thread was on page 10 - this is where it "picks up".
Minimalist theme does not do this when I click on a thread under "new posts".
on Minimalist thread you have to click the number over to the right to go where you left off reading last time.
you dont exactly click on a thread as click on the marker next to a thread.
in minimalist, clicking on the post count next to a thread have the same effect.
There doesn't seem to be a "quote" button... That's a dealbreaker...
seems the category/forum home links are still full width.
ARJWright
08-14-2008, 02:22 PM
I like this theme; ironically, the theme's well done UI approach highlights a few issues with the microB. Nevertheless, when on the IT, this will be my preferred version. Its simple and to the point, which is how I like to read things here.
Only small thing I'd change is that the Quick Links tap-and-drop-down should have larger items to select to keep with the design of the rest of the skin.
Great work!
Reggie
08-14-2008, 03:36 PM
I like the theme, but scrolling is real hard. Some how the links get clicked when i try to scroll with my finger ..... even if i use the right part of the screen.... some links get clicked.
seems the category/forum home links are still full width.
This has been fixed. Please let me know if page scrolling has improved.
There doesn't seem to be a "quote" button... That's a dealbreaker...
Quote feature has been added.
Only small thing I'd change is that the Quick Links tap-and-drop-down should have larger items to select to keep with the design of the rest of the skin.
Font resized.
Thanks.
This has been fixed. Please let me know if page scrolling has improved.
Quote feature has been added.
Font resized.
Thanks.
looks really really good now. i can use the finger all over the forum now :D
good work!
Benson
08-14-2008, 04:22 PM
looks really really good now. i can use the finger all over the forum now :D
So, you're giving the forums the finger, eh? ;)
Really, it's quite awesome now; thanks Reggie!
One more little bug: When viewing a forum, the last post in each thread is claimed to be by the initiator.
e.g.
Caldav
by musquod, last reply by musquod - Today 04:14 PM
andrewfblack
08-14-2008, 04:24 PM
So, you're giving the forums the finger, eh? ;)
Really, it's quite awesome now; thanks Reggie!
One more little bug: When viewing a forum, the last post in each thread is claimed to be by the initiator.
e.g.
Caldav
by musquod, last reply by musquod - Today 04:14 PM
Yeah that bug is really my fault when I was testing the template I only used on account so every post I made was made by admin lol
i swear i reported that when the new theme was first announced ;)
andrewfblack
08-14-2008, 04:27 PM
its been reported several times I think
Reggie
08-14-2008, 04:28 PM
One more little bug: When viewing a forum, the last post in each thread is claimed to be by the initiator.
Sorry, I forgot about that. It should be fixed now.
heh, not surprising ;)
but good work on the theme non the less. as long as changes happen when problems are reported, we are happy :D
feedback is very important (nokia, take note)
nikolajhendel
08-15-2008, 04:38 PM
well - finally got it - thickheaded as I am.... (how to go to "last spot" in a thread).
Thanks for the help
hmm, edit post ability still missing i just noticed.
ARJWright
08-15-2008, 08:44 PM
hmm, edit post ability still missing i just noticed.
to keep this simple; put it right with the thanks and quote links and that could work and keep things simple. i'm really liking this theme.
brontide
08-15-2008, 09:09 PM
To me there is still one biggie... some way to distinguish threads that you are participating in vs others. Maybe a different background color or a small icon before the title.
try user cp in the quick links ;)
brontide
08-15-2008, 09:18 PM
try user cp in the quick links ;)
That only works if I bother to subscribe to threads
Reggie
08-15-2008, 09:26 PM
Edit post added.
That only works if I bother to subscribe to threads
i have it on pr default...
hmm, is the date format locked to mm/dd/year?
kenny
08-17-2008, 01:23 PM
The theme is nice, but it really isn't useful without most of the same information that the regular theme contains.
I disagree.
I find it really IS useful when viewing on the Tablets. I want to read / check new topics and posts or I want to search on a particular subject......quickly. I like the Minimalist format much better than any of the Mobile formats. When needed, I switch over to Classic....or wait until I'm at the laptop / desktop and view in standard n810v2.
Thank you Reggie and Andrew for this new template. I'm back to ITT on my 800 and 810....and loving it!!
andrewfblack
08-20-2008, 08:16 AM
Hey for the guys our there that want certain functions out of the minimalistic theme that isn't there. I was thinking about it the other day and all the functions are there and most of the pages are setup to look decent on the Tablet in Minimalistic form. Some have not been modified to make links bigger or anything but they are still then and formated in a minimal way. There just are no links for them, unless we can get Reggie to add them under the Quick Links(Hey hasn't returned my PMs in a while) just bookmark these links.
Subscribed Threads (http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/subscription.php?styleid=10)
Vaispy (http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/vaispy.php?styleid=10)
Member List (http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/memberlist.php?styleid=10)
In fact just add ?styleid=10 to any page and you will see the minimalistic form of the page. I hope this helps people find the Minimal theme more useful.
What the heck is that Vaispy thing? Is that new posts or something? That's kinda cool!
andrewfblack
08-20-2008, 12:58 PM
What the heck is that Vaispy thing? Is that new posts or something? That's kinda cool!
yeah new posts and its live you don't have to refresh it they just popup
Fionn
08-28-2008, 02:08 PM
The theme is great and works well.
Just one issue though - the quick links don't work on the 770 running OS2006.
Is there a way to fix that?
andrewfblack
08-28-2008, 03:12 PM
The theme is great and works well.
Just one issue though - the quick links don't work on the 770 running OS2006.
Is there a way to fix that?
I'm no longer updating the theme anymore Reggie is, I'm not sure why it wouldn't work one thing you could do for a fix until you get a chance is to bookmark the pages you want to go to then go to minimal theme and use bookmarks should stay in minimal theme if not add ?styleid=10 to the end of every bookmark. Not a real fix but it will get you going atleast.
Reggie
08-28-2008, 03:30 PM
The theme is great and works well.
Just one issue though - the quick links don't work on the 770 running OS2006.
Is there a way to fix that?
Hmm, I don;t think I'll be able to fix that for 770's browser. It's standard javascript that I guess Opera doesn't support.
Sorry.
hmm, iirc the opera browser on the 770 had a habit of disabling javascript support if a page had scripts that overloaded the browser...
Texrat
08-28-2008, 04:47 PM
The default theme only works for me on Firefox. On IE6, I get these gawdawful grey boxes with shadows instead of the images...:confused:
GeneralAntilles
08-28-2008, 04:49 PM
The default theme only works for me on Firefox. On IE6, I get these gawdawful grey boxes with shadows instead of the images...:confused:
IE6. . . . No words, man, no words.
Texrat
08-28-2008, 05:06 PM
IE6. . . . No words, man, no words.
It's work. I have nothing else to say either.
anyone else having problems reading the content of code blocks?
Texrat
10-01-2008, 04:26 PM
anyone else having problems reading the content of code blocks?
Nah, it's all in English.
:p
har har, but seriously, sometimes all i see is a horizontal scroll bar...
it seems there is some rounded corners applied that only show up when using webkit. this has the effect of slowing down the page rendering when using said engine...
GeneralAntilles
01-27-2009, 11:58 AM
it seems there is some rounded corners applied that only show up when using webkit. this has the effect of slowing down the page rendering when using said engine...
Is that actually it? I was assuming it was a js issue.
andrewfblack
01-27-2009, 12:06 PM
it seems there is some rounded corners applied that only show up when using webkit. this has the effect of slowing down the page rendering when using said engine...
I havn't tested Minimalist theme on webkit browser on tablet, the round corners show up on Chrome I know because I use minimalist theme on my Eee PC seems to fit better. I am working on a whole new design for the theme when we make the move to talk.maemo.org I'll fix things like that then as of right now I don't even have access to fix problems since I can't get Reggie to return my PMs or Emails. I hope by then I will have access.
Is that actually it? I was assuming it was a js issue.
http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=260066&postcount=136
and i have less problems on bigger, js heavy pages. i didnt even notice the corners until they where pointed out to me.
Hedgecore
05-04-2009, 08:30 PM
While I appreciate the hard work people put into this... orange... and grey... and grey... thing... it uh. I can't quite put my finger on it but it feels forboding to me... if I were a new user and stumbled upon it I'd be confused as hell. Maybe I'm just used to the old awesome dark grey theme but I'm not fan. Is this whole maemo.org thing part of the forum upgrade?
(Mixing developers and Aunt Gretta who just got her tablet for xmas is going to be chaos, watch.)
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