VNC Client on 2006 OS?

[JonFowler]

Does anybody know if someone is working on porting the VNC viewer to the 2006 OS?

The lack of this software is now what is stopping me from upgrading.

Are there any alternatives?

Jon

[Clay]

Does anybody know if someone is working on porting the VNC viewer to the 2006 OS?

The lack of this software is now what is stopping me from upgrading.

Are there any alternatives?

Jon

I sent email to the person who compiled the original version [in the software section on this site], but got no reply. Maybe you can add your voice by sending email also?

[kimmoj]

Nokia themselves should really get their butts in gear and produce a VPN solution for this one. Heck, I'd settle for PPTP at this point, but a real IPSec VPN client would be great.

The problem with VPN stuff is you usually need to mess with the kernel. Nokia should pre-mess it. ;)

[Clay]

VNC -- not VPN.

[NokNok770]

Yeah, I miss vnc, rdesktop is just not working right.

[acdczip]

I second that, I prefer rdesktop over vnc but having vpn would make the window server and desktop integration seamless. It'll also make the N770 much more mainstream; you need to be pretty damn good technically to mess around with the device now.

[kimmoj]

I dunno where my eyes were when I wrote that post about VPN, not VNC. I must have been thinking about VPN:s when I read that and wanted to chime in. ;) Ah well.

I agree about VNC too, though. That is yet another reason I can't upgrade, but the absolute deal breaker for me is that I can't get Privoxy in the machine if I go to the 2006 OS, and surfing without Privoxy is like dental surgery without anaesthetic...

[AaronL]

Hi all,

First off, I didn't simply "compile" VNC for Maemo--I had to port it, which was a considerable effort. There was a straight compilation of VNC in the early days of the device from someone else, but it didn't support the virtual keyboard, and as such, was practically useless.

I haven't had a chance to install the 2006 OS, let alone setup the maemo 2.0 development environment, so it might be a little while before I get to this. Things have been very busy at work, plus I'm getting married soon, so I don't have much time. I'm planning to get to this at some point, but I cannot say when at the moment. I also developed some new enhancements to the maemo VNC viewer a few months ago, and you will see these in the next version.

Regards,
Aaron

[runestone]

Aron, do you like to release the source in the wild then? Or to an trusted 770 companion :) ? Im not ready to port something yet, but maybe some volonteer?

Thank so far

[mallard]

Note that if you used any code from the official VNC client, then you are obliged to release the source code under the GPL.

[=DC=]

I forgot how much I love the GPL. It's like you can create a unique little app, license under GPL, put out there for everyone to nurture and watch it grow, evolve and migrate to Lord knows how many hardware devices. I really have to come up with something good for my next project.

[AaronL]

Note that if you used any code from the official VNC client, then you are obliged to release the source code under the GPL.
Of course I released the source code. This has been mentioned elsewhere. If you are interested in the source code, then I assume that you already know how to find it.

Aaron

[TechnoDoc]

I'll add my voice:

"VNC...VNC...VNC..."

I have already upgraded, and I miss VNC the most. Unfortunately, I am very new to Linux and do not have the skills (yet ;) ) to compile/build/create/code/ruin software for the 770. I just wanted to register another vote for VNC, so maybe Aaron could see that work and marriage are really just distractions from the important things in life...gadgets!!

[=DC=]

Well, here's the link (http://www.aracnet.com/~alevinsn/vncviewer_0.3.tar.gz) I think AaronL is hinting at. I'm going to be sifting through the source to see what I can come up with in my free time. If anyone wants to collaborate on it with me, we could get it done faster.

[=DC=]

Okay, here's a link to my work in progress of a port of AaronL's original v.0.3 VNC viewer. It installs in the 2006 OS just fine, but I haven't been able to test it much yet. I'll have a little time this weekend to work on it some more. Just thought I'd shed a little hope for those that are eager to see VNC viewer working in the new OS. :D

http://derek.a.coleman.googlepages.com/vncviewer_0.3_armel.deb

[mk500]

Valiant attempt =DC=, but it doesn't seem to work yet.

It installed fine. I was able to launch it once, but couldn't establish a connection. After that I wasn't able to get it to launch again.

[=DC=]

I see. Well, that explains some errors I was getting. Going back to check my notes to fix the issues. I'll work on it some more today, and will post an update as soon as I can. Stay tuned...

[Clay]

Looking forward to it =DC= !!!

[johsua]

thank you for doing this.

[=DC=]

No problem, I just got tired of waiting for someone else to do it. I think VNC for the 770 is one of the most valuable apps to have. I'm quite new to all this, so any help would be well recieved. Currently trying to figure out how to make the code work so that it connects to a host PC.

[=DC=]

Okay, here's an update on my progress:

- Fixed the re-launching issue somewhat. It still has its bad moments.
- I think the connection issue is fixed (anyone let me know if it still does not work).
- Got the toolbar working at the bottom. (still working on fixing the main toolbar).

http://derek.a.coleman.googlepages.com/vncviewer_0.3.1-i_armel.deb

[johsua]

it works. again- thank you. i need to learn how to do this. i want to get ctorrent working.

[=DC=]

Great! It does work. I just posted it in the Maemo ApplicationCatalog 2006 Wiki. I will be working on getting some more bugs out as I continue to learn how Maemo 2.0 works. Here's the link to the entry:

http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ApplicationCatalog2006#head-a8bce6e8c0a6424753c230281bcdae0be4de7df5

[TechnoDoc]

I wish I could help...so instead I will offer my encouragement and gratitude!!

Thanks =DC= for giving it a try...good luck!

[=DC=]

I wish I could help...so instead I will offer my encouragement and gratitude!!

Thanks =DC= for giving it a try...good luck!
Thanks! I want to get it to the point where it doesn't fail to launch after closing. At the moment, the only way to resolve the issue is to restart the 770 or us Xterm to kill it. It's probablly something simple, I just have to find what's causing it. If anyone wants to take a look at the source the link is posted along with the .deb on the Maemo ApplicationCatalog site. I hope I haven't made a mess of the code. I made sure I documented the changes that I made.

[=DC=]

Version 0.3.2-i is up (http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ApplicationCatalog2006#head-a8bce6e8c0a6424753c230281bcdae0be4de7df5) . This build gives the main menu back. :D

[diJenerate]

What about NX (http://www.nomachine.com/) you guys... ?
diJenerate

[detlef]

HI,

I already had the same problem with the OS2005 version. I had disabled some encodings (see maemo-dev for details).

Is anybody using a working vnc server on linux (or even debian). With the standard gnome server vino it is not working.

Thanks

[=DC=]

Moved the VNC viewer information to correct category. It is now located here (http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ApplicationCatalog2006#head-a8bce6e8c0a6424753c230281bcdae0be4de7df5).

[Clay]

Thanks =DC= !!!!

[=DC=]

My pleasure.

[ercanmetin]

Hi there, I have had my 770 for quite sometime now, but never had the chance/time to play with VNC before although I needed something like that :)

Well today I have installed the VNC server to my windows xp device,
just because I don't like trial stuff I have purchased it without even trying the connection between XP and 770 :)
And now (of course) I cannot connect to the ip address...

I am using linksys wireless router and I have pc cillin firewall
I turned off the firewall and forwarded ports 5000 - 6000 thru router setup page.

and still cannot connect to my server...
Any help is apriciated :)

I also have this problem you guys mentioned earlier in the Thread for not to be able to rerun the VNC client after you have closed it. But I just restart the device. Somebody mentioned to kill the task via XTERM. I'd also like to get some info about how to kill it via XTERM(I'm totally new to XTERM)

Thanks so much in advance...

[mallard]

To kill it in xterm:
Do "ps ax | grep vncviewer", remember the number at the beginning of the line displayed. Type "kill <number>". If that doesn't work, do "kill -9 <number>".

How are you connecting between the tablet and your PC?

Also, the free edition of VNC is fully functional, nag free, open source software, I assume you bought the personal edition? Why?
Try the free edition, it is possible that the additions in the protocol used by the personal edition is preventing you from connecting. The "One-Port HTTP & VNC" and "File Transfer" additions sound like they could case problems.

[ercanmetin]

It might be the personal addition then,
I will go ahead and try the free version... and let you know if it's working right... :)

I had XTERM with 2005 OS and never played with it like I said,
I downloaded the new one but It says it's not compatible with my 770
it's probably still the old one... If you know the exact link for the new xterm could you please provide it? Do I have to play with the device to be able to become root?
I was just reading some threads about becoming a root, but they were stepping that thru a linux device. I am on a XP device here, I have a SUSE10 machine next to me, but I am so new to linux. I couldn't even get suse10 to run well yet :)

Thanks once again for quick reply.

[ercanmetin]

I got the free version and tried to connect but it still says "could not connect to server"

[mallard]

I assume you are connecting between the devices via WiFi?
Are you sure that you have the IP address of your XP machine correct?
Are you using the IP address (WINS/NetBios addresses won't work)?
Could you try temporarily disabling your firewall?
Make sure you are connecting to VNC display 0. (The address should be <IP of server>:0)

[NeilFord]

http://maemo-hackers.org/wiki/OssoXterm will take you to the page for the 2006 version of XTerm. Install it using Application Manager. It should then appear in the Extras menu.

To gain root easily, you need to install OpenSSH from the maemo repositry using Application Manager and then follow the instructions at http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HowDoiBecomeRoot2 to SSH to your 770 and amend the sudoers file.

- Neil.

[mallard]

The easiest way to become root on 2006 is to install the "becomeroot" package from here: http://eko.one.pl/index.php?page=Nokia770_software#becomeroot

[ercanmetin]

Well I have installed the xterm thru application manager :)

[ercanmetin]

I have installed that, and typed in
/ $ sudo su-
It now asks me for password:
what do I do here?

[mallard]

You need to type "sudo su -" (note the spaces).

[ercanmetin]

I assume you are connecting between the devices via WiFi?
Are you sure that you have the IP address of your XP machine correct?
Are you using the IP address (WINS/NetBios addresses won't work)?
Could you try temporarily disabling your firewall?
Make sure you are connecting to VNC display 0. (The address should be <IP of server>:0)


I just saw your post right now,
I have disabled my firewall, and I'm using WIFI thru a linksys router.
Ip adress is a local ip(192.168.2.100)
I have no idea about the VNC display 0??

[ercanmetin]

EXXELENT!!!
I have now connected to VNC
I don't know how that happened but I got connected :)

[ercanmetin]

wait a minute
it was the firewall
even though I had VNC as an exception. It was blocking it...

[hallax]

Hi,

I installed 0.3.2-i and works fine.

For me server side scaling would be important. This feature is supported for examply by UltraVNC. I already can control my MediaCenter PC using vnc. but it would be much easier if I could scale my desktop area 1280x768 to Nokias 800x480.

Can someone further develop 0.3.2-i to make it support scaling? Or is the only way to port for example UltraVNC viewer for Nokia 770?

Or does someone know if there is some other vnc software for Nokia 770 that supports scaling? Available or under development?

I unfortunately lack the technological skills to do it myself...


- Halla

[thoughtfix]

Does anyone else have a problem with the VNC pretending to load, then disappearing? After every reboot, it loads exactly once. Then when I try to go into VNC Viewer it says "Loading VNC Viewer" for about 30 seconds then disappears.

[penguinbait]

It loads consistently, it did hang my 770 when the firewall was turned on, on the windows XP box I was connecting to. I had to ssh to kill vnc and then everything was good again.

[Clay]

Does anyone else have a problem with the VNC pretending to load, then disappearing? After every reboot, it loads exactly once. Then when I try to go into VNC Viewer it says "Loading VNC Viewer" for about 30 seconds then disappears.

As documented:

"NOTE: Users should close application from the bottom toolbar as closing from the main window causes problems re-launching."

[thoughtfix]

As documented:

"NOTE: Users should close application from the bottom toolbar as closing from the main window causes problems re-launching."

DOH!
RTFM, Dan. ;)

[=DC=]

Also, closing from the drop down menu works as an alternative. I am still trying to figure out the problem with closing from the main window, so stay tuned.

[johsua]

When I go to type it opens the thumb keyboard. Is there a way to make it open the other keyboard instead? Otherwise it works well.

[=DC=]

Okay, I finally managed to fix the re-launch issues by adding some code that was apparently missing. That thing was bugging the hell out of me and I'm sure many of you all :D . So, here's the new version:

http://derek.a.coleman.googlepages.com/vncviewer_0.3.3-i_armel.deb

[hallgreng]

DC,

Do you have any experience with programming, or are you just flying by the seat of your pants and learning as you go along?

Regardless, VNC was at the top of my list of wants -thanks a lot for picking this project up!

[=DC=]

I am actually learning as I go, but I've always had an uncanny ability to learn various skills very quickly.

[Xyzo]

Hi!
Thank you for this port on IT2006: I was waiting for it!
It works perfectly except that I've noticed that there was no icon associated with the application: am I wrong or an icon was displayed on IT2005 version?

[=DC=]

Yeah, that's the strange part. If you install a program like Maemo Mapper it shows up. I haven't been able to figure out what causes it to not show up just yet. Is anyone else having the same issue?

[maxilogan]

Yeah, that's the strange part. If you install a program like Maemo Mapper it shows up. I haven't been able to figure out what causes it to not show up just yet. Is anyone else having the same issue?

If you're talking about the task navigator icon, check out the Minimo release notes, I rember it had the same issue and was solved by adding a single line in the code, and it also was clearly explained onto the release notes.

[maxilogan]

If you're talking about the task navigator icon, check out the Minimo release notes, I rember it had the same issue and was solved by adding a single line in the code, and it also was clearly explained onto the release notes.

Checked it for you :-) If you were talking about this problem, I'd give it a try

"Fixed lack of entry on task navigator by adding StartupWMClass=minimo into
.desktop file. Minimizing it possible now :) - thanks henry."

[=DC=]

Checked it for you :-) If you were talking about this problem, I'd give it a try

"Fixed lack of entry on task navigator by adding StartupWMClass=minimo into
.desktop file. Minimizing it possible now :) - thanks henry."
Thanks maxilogan, I'll make the changes for the next version.

[Xyzo]

ANother thing I've just noticed: on my N770, the fullscreen button does not work, I need to click the proper icon in the toolbar to put VNC fullscreen. Anyone having noticed the same?

[=DC=]

I believe the fullscreen button works as tab in VNC viewer. I'll see if I can make a version that enables the fullscreen button to do what it is supposed to do. Would anyone out there rather leave it as the Tab key?

[=DC=]

When I go to type it opens the thumb keyboard. Is there a way to make it open the other keyboard instead? Otherwise it works well.
One way is to enable both Launch via rocker key and Launch via touch screen under the Finger tab in the Text input settings.

[mk500]

It's workng quite well. Good job =DC= !!

Much appreciated!

[maxilogan]

Thanks maxilogan, I'll make the changes for the next version.

That's the idea behind the word "community". I'll give you my advices ad help to have a better functioning program.

If I have anything that could help programmers, or other users, it's natural for me to share informations.

[hallax]

Hi,

UltraVNC that I previously mentioned, supports scaling but actually only runs on Windows. So that´s no use.

But apparently RealVNC supports scaling and that also runs on linux. Not the free version, but still.

See this: http://www.realvnc.com/pipermail/vnc-list/2005-December/053395.html

So if someone just knew how to compile this RealVNC viewer (Enterprise Edition i think...) for Maemo 2.0, we´d have a vnc supporting scaling!

Anyone with the skills needed and nothing else to do? ;-)

- Hallax

[hallax]

hi!

Am I really the only one after scalable VNC?

-hallax

[richardg1952]

hi!

Am I really the only one after scalable VNC?

-hallax

No, you're not. It's in the vnc version from openpma I use on my Archos PMA400. It's a zoom feature. It should be possible to port that version (openpma.org). If I can get some free time, I was going to look into it, but if anyone else wants to persue it, please do. :D

richard

[Clay]

I suspect you very well may be the only one. I have never been able to read scaled vnc screens, even on a 1024x780 PC client. I can't imagine scaling on the noky. I can barely read un-scaled text on the noky screen. It kind of surprised me to see the request in the first place.

[edit: wait, are we talking about scaling or zooming ???]

[hallax]

hi,

I'm talking about scaling. it would be great if on the VNC server I could scale my desktop by dividing the resolution by 1.6. so my 1280x768 would fit perfectrly on my nok770 800x480.

yes, it might be that text would be unreadable. but my intention is to use my MediaCenter pc via VNC. i could set tv recordings from work etc...

-hallax

[tjb]

So has anyone had any luck getting the 770 vncviewer connected to any desktop Gnome vino servers? It seems to connect but then locks up for me.

[paulh]

Is scrolling working in the 2006 version of VNC? The wiki page describes it as working like the 2005 version, holding the directional pad, but I haven't been able to get it to work.

I understand it is has only recently converted for 2006 (thanks for that), but wondered if I'm missing something.

[guardian_de]

I had the same problem - besides a few other. Then I built my own binary, unfortunately I did not build a package yet.
If you want to give it a shot, the binary is attached. Just copy it onto the device with the regular vncviewer package installed and either start it from where you copied it to or move it to /usr/bin and start it from the Extras menu.

[paulh]

Excellent, that works! Thank you very much!

I have a PC under the TV( to use as a PVR) so it has no monitor. This gives me a quick and non-blurry way to access it (the tv output is not good for text, even in 800x600).

[edgley]

Thank you also.

I have one issue though.
I leave my VNC running on my 770 permently, connected to my server.
When the 770 goes into deep sleep, maybe after an hour or so, when I wake it up it has lost the connection.

I then have to take it out of full screen, turn on the tool bar, reconnect and reverse.
I dont suppose this is something that might be / could be / please looked at for the next release?

[=DC=]

Sorry to keep everyone waiting for an update to VNC viewer, but I seem to have been hit with "developer's curse" where I've become too busy to have any free time to work on the project for some time now. If anyone would like to take up where I left off, please feel free to do so.

[guardian_de]

Here is the packaged version of the binary I posted before.

[MikeL]

Here is the packaged version of the binary I posted before.My understanding is that this alternative version of the VNC Viewer program, provides improved usability/functionality over the original developed by AaronL which is currently available via this Thread (http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=887&highlight=VNC+Viewer)

So we install the 1st the Version provided by AaronL, then include this new package and then the improvements are what exactly?

Is there a clear breakdown anywhere which combines information to understand what the latest version provides with regard to functionality and parameters that could be adjusted under the hood. (I have been searching through threads etc?)

[guardian_de]

My understanding is that this alternative version of the VNC Viewer program, provides improved usability/functionality over the original developed by AaronL which is currently available via this Thread (http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=887&highlight=VNC+Viewer)
Aaron's version was built for OS edition IT 2005, it doesn't install under IT 2006. Then =DC= rebuilt an IT 2006 package of Aaron's version. This variant did not run satisfyingly for me (e.g. scrolling with hardware keys did not work).

Then I compiled the vncviewer myself, without building a package for it. This fixed the problems I had with =DC='s package. This was the version I referred to in today's previous post. It has an IT 2006 package attached to it. There are absolutely no improvements compared to Aaron's IT 2005 version other than it installs under IT 2006.

So we install the 1st the Version provided by AaronL, then include this new package and then the improvements are what exactly?
There are no improvements. If you run IT 2006, install my package. If you run IT 2005 install Aaron's package.

[MikeL]

OK, it's my mistake with regard to which thread provides the 2006 version of VNC Viewer that I had installed. It was this very thread and this post within the thread http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=18022&postcount=52 I must have become confused whilst reading up on how the VNC viewer worked on the Nokia 770 (What hardware keys and menus do what etc)

So as you have explained (Thanks) we replace the vncviewer_0.3.3-i_armel.deb package from =DC= with the new vncviewer_0.3-1_armel.deb from guardian_de to get all functionality provided by the original vncviewer_0.3_arm.deb package (OS 2005 only) from AaronL.

It would be a good idea if someone was to ultimately collate the valid usability information on options available from the OS2005 & 0S2006 VNC Viewer threads and/or update the wiki or include the whole VNC Viewer in Maemo garage perhaps?

[wmoore]

Is it possible to start this vncviewer in listen mode? It appears to ignore command line parameters.

[detlef]

I tried to fix some of the bugs in version 0.3. If you like, have a look at the version.

http://www.physik.de/770

Detlef

[=DC=]

I installed your version of vncviewer, and it works great! You fixed all the other problems in my
version: fullscreen issues, vino compatibility, etc. Nice work! Thanks.

[Hedgecore]

This is A LOT faster than the previous version! Excellent work!

[aRTee]

Great, this version solves all issues I had - thanks a lot!

[Rocketman]

Excellent! This is the first remote access client (outside of SSH), which I have found to be useable. I would really like to see a decent RDP (remote desktop) client as well. A couple suggestions for future changes, if you are so inclined:

- Trying to navigate larger displays is a bit slow right now, due to needing to scroll the display with hardware keys. It would be nice if a some sort of "shrink to fit" screen scaling were implemented.

- If scaling is too much for the 770's puny brains to handle, how about an improved way to scroll about? I was thinking one could hold down the minus key and then drag the stylus to scroll around the virtual desktop.

Thanks a bunch for all the hard work! If you need a guinea pig, I am glad to help out in any way I can.

[detlef]

Hi Rocketman,

I do not think, shrinking would work. Method of choice would be, to have vnc-server with a 800x480 display. This of cause does not correspond to the usual screen resolution. I tried it some months ago, and it worked quite fine with gnome on debian (starting a second vncserver with different screen).

Scrolling: nice idea, I will keep it in mind. I will have to do some other works the next three weeks I think, but over three weeks I will have a day or two.

Detlef

[hallax]

Hi Rocketman,

I do not think, shrinking would work. Method of choice would be, to have vnc-server with a 800x480 display. This of cause does not correspond to the usual screen resolution.
Detlef
Hi,

I also set up my server resolution to 800 x 480 and VNC worked very well.

But as I use the server as a normal PC also, using 800x480 is not the answer...

Server side scaling would probably work. I know RealVNC server supports this. If just someone could build the server side scaling support for this Nokia 770 VNC client ??!!


- Halla

[jurop88]

For me it doesn't work: when I try to connect to my Ubuntu 1600x1200 Desktop it says 'Connection to server lost'
Starting it from an xterm, last message given is 'in framebuffer update died'...

Any clue?

[detlef]

I think it is the vino bug mentioned on the vnc page (www.physik.de/770).
Three possibilities:
1. Try to install the package from vnc page
2. Use vncviewer 0.4 from the vnc page (not 0.4.1)
3. wait until ubuntu builds a new package from vino cvs

Detlef


For me it doesn't work: when I try to connect to my Ubuntu 1600x1200 Desktop it says 'Connection to server lost'
Starting it from an xterm, last message given is 'in framebuffer update died'...

Any clue?

[detlef]

I have a setup with xinetd and vnc4server which only gives 800x480 resolution for the remote connection on debian/testing.

I will write a howto. Most of the HOWTO

http://www.ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-197964.html

works on debion, only the font

-fp /usr/share/X11/fonts/misc

and of cause the resolution had to be changed.

Detlef

Hi,

I also set up my server resolution to 800 x 480 and VNC worked very well.

But as I use the server as a normal PC also, using 800x480 is not the answer...

Server side scaling would probably work. I know RealVNC server supports this. If just someone could build the server side scaling support for this Nokia 770 VNC client ??!!


- Halla

[jurop88]

I think it is the vino bug mentioned on the vnc page (www.physik.de/770).
Detlef

Thx, I wasn't aware of it! RTFM first... :) it was!

I decided to use vncviewer 0.4 and it works, or at least try to. Infact I use a dual head display, and the desktop is seen as a big whole display, but when I move the cursor the same is placed and moved on the wrong screen! Probably some coordinates misunderstanding between server and client.
In any case, at least it works!

Again, thx

[detlef]

I would expect this to be a bug in vino. The vncviewer code is quite simple in this area. Did you try another vncviewer. In case you did, think of a bug report to vino.

(Sorry, I can not test, as I do not have dual head)

Detlef

Thx, I wasn't aware of it! RTFM first... :) it was!

I decided to use vncviewer 0.4 and it works, or at least try to. Infact I use a dual head display, and the desktop is seen as a big whole display, but when I move the cursor the same is placed and moved on the wrong screen! Probably some coordinates misunderstanding between server and client.
In any case, at least it works!

Again, thx

[hallax]

I have a setup with xinetd and vnc4server which only gives 800x480 resolution for the remote connection on debian/testing.

I will write a howto. Most of the HOWTO

http://www.ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-197964.html

works on debion, only the font

Detlef

I'm using WindowsXP, so I can't apply this ;-(

If just some one knew how to compile RealVNC to Nokia770, the scaling would be easy: http://www.realvnc.com/pipermail/vnc-list/2005-December/053395.html


- Halla

[a280z]

I got around worrying about VNC scaling, by viewing my home pc (with a dyndns IP), and then setting up remote connections to whatever PC's I want, even clients that I do IT work for. It's quite fast, and even 50% scaling will get you almost full screen on the nokia, when the client is 1280x720... it's a little bit skinnier than the screen space you see on the nokia 770.

At 50%, it's almost READABLE. In fact, it is readable, it's just tiresome, and a few letters don't come through properly. I think cleartype on the remote-remote PC has something to do with it. All the horsepower for scaling, is done on your home pc, so it's quick, and you only have to have ONE connection saved on your 770.

This scaling hack doesn't work for VNC to remote-remote desktop from the home PC, as you cannot scale the first connection, and definitely not the RD connection inside. Sorry if this sounds confusing.

8bit encoding is the quickest for your home PC, and leaving full color on remote-remote PC looks fine. This screen on the nokia is f'in amazing. Stupid PPC 320x240 garbage lol!

TOO slow over GPRS, EDGE class 4 (all I can try with), is a little better, but I'm sure REAL EDGE would be ok, and EVDO even better. Wifi is very quick.

[=DC=]

I upgraded to version 4.1 and now I can't connect to my Ubuntu machine using vino. VNC viewer allows me to input the password, but it gives me a pop-up saying "Connection to server lost". I can connect to my Windows machine fine, so it may be some small change that is causing it to fail on the Linux machine. I'm going to roll back to version 4.0 for the time being.

Thanks again detlef.

[detlef]

Yes, it is a bug in vino (as mentiond on vnc homepage http://www.physik.de/770)
This bug is now fixed in debian unstable:
http://packages.qa.debian.org/v/vino/news/20061030T114839Z.html

It will take some days, until a deb is build. A fixed version of vino for debian 386 architecture is on the vnc homepage.

Detlef

I upgraded to version 4.1 and now I can't connect to my Ubuntu machine using vino. VNC viewer allows me to input the password, but it gives me a pop-up saying "Connection to server lost". I can connect to my Windows machine fine, so it may be some small change that is causing it to fail on the Linux machine. I'm going to roll back to version 4.0 for the time being.

Thanks again detlef.

[=DC=]

Thanks detlef. I don't know why I didn't notice that before.

[Dr. Faustroll]

I have the latest version of VNC Viewer working like a charm. I have, however, run into two text input-related bugs:

- I cannot type any caps via the onscreen keyboard - they are always rendered in lowercase;
- Selecting "Paste" from the keyboard input options does not work.

I know that neither of these is a problem with my VNC server (OSXvnc), since other VNC viewers do not run into either of these issues.

Have any of you run into these problems, and if so, have you found any fixes?

Many thanks in advance for any help.

[detlef]

Hi,

I can not reproduce your CAPS problem. I can input caps using the shift from the keyboard. The option shift from the toolbar does not work. I think this is only needed for using shift mouse click. (I tried it on only on fixed vino server)

Paste does not work. I will keep it in mind.

Detlef

I have the latest version of VNC Viewer working like a charm. I have, however, run into two text input-related bugs:

- I cannot type any caps via the onscreen keyboard - they are always rendered in lowercase;
- Selecting "Paste" from the keyboard input options does not work.

I know that neither of these is a problem with my VNC server (OSXvnc), since other VNC viewers do not run into either of these issues.

Have any of you run into these problems, and if so, have you found any fixes?

Many thanks in advance for any help.

[Dr. Faustroll]

Detlef,

Thanks for looking into this. I'll experiment some more with the caps issue, and see if I can figure out what's triggering it in my setup.

[chrajohn]

I have the latest version of VNC Viewer working like a charm. I have, however, run into two text input-related bugs:

- I cannot type any caps via the onscreen keyboard - they are always rendered in lowercase;
- Selecting "Paste" from the keyboard input options does not work.

I know that neither of these is a problem with my VNC server (OSXvnc), since other VNC viewers do not run into either of these issues.

I have the same problem, both with OSXvnc 1.6.1 and with the newly released Vine Server 2.0. (OSXvnc changed its name with the latest release.

Some more information:


It's not specifically a CAPS thing. Any character that would require the shift key on a normal keyboard shows up as the un-shifted version. Thus:


Shift + "a" shows up on the other system as "a"
CAPS + "a" -> "a"
Shift + "1" -> "1"
"@" -> "2" (Note: "@" does not require the shift key on the virtual keyboard. It still shows up as a "2". Similarly, with "!".)


The symbol palette on the virtual keyboard doesn't work. If the symbol in question is a Shifted version of something on a standard keyboard, it shows up as the unshifted version. (e.g., "%" becomes "5".) Otherwise, if it's a Greek letter or the like, nothing happens at all.

One can't input capital letters with the handwriting recognition either.


However, this problem is confined to the on-screen input methods. I hooked up a Freedom bluetooth keyboard using kbdd, and it worked fine. I could input capital letters, symbols, etc.


Looking at the bug reports and release notes for OSXvnc/Vine Server (sourceforge project (http://sourceforge.net/projects/osxvnc/)), it appears there are other keyboard-related issues with this server. There are problems with non-US layouts, for example. I'm not sure whether these are related problems.


Thanks for this wonderful application! It's one of the most useful things I've got on my 770. I haven't had any problems other than this text input issue. I do have one feature request: it would be nice if VNC Viewer had some way to store/bookmark favorite server addresses. An alternative would be for VNC Viewer to process command line arguments; I'd be happy if "vncviewer example.org" launched VNC Viewer and tried to connect.

(To simulate this functionality, I stored my server's domain name as a handwriting shortcut. It does save some typing, though I have to switch input modes.)

Thanks again,

Chris

[detlef]

Thanks for the detailed report.
I am not sure how I can track this issue, as I do not have osx.
I do not have bluetooth keyboard either to check for differences.

If anybody has a linux (or windows) vncserver with simelar problems, please tell me.
Does anybody have a osx server I may access via internet to test?

At the moment my ToDo has the following issues:
19 Nov 06:
CAPS problem with OSXvnc
Command line argument with address
2 Nov 06:
paste from input keyboard does not work.
right and middle mouse click
fullscreen marker in menu wrong if started at fullscreen

23 Oct 06:
Scrolling with - Button and pen

I think I will try to fix some of the bugs within the next two weeks.

[AaronL]

Hi all,

I've finally gotten back to working on VNC viewer after taking a break for 6 months or so, and working with Detlef, I have released a new version. It happens to have the same version number as Detlef's latest version, 0.4.1, but there are quite a few changes. While the most recent IT2005 version that I released was 0.3, I actually worked on a 0.3.1 and a 0.3.2 version, and those changes can be found in 0.4.1. Probably the most significant change for most users is the support for command-line options. Use vncviewer.sh --help from xterm for more information. You can pass in both the hostname and password, and there are some other options related to a new lockdown feature. Also, if you don't currently have VNC viewer installed, you will have the option of selecting which menu to use when it is installed.

Thanks to Derek Coleman for his initial port of my 0.3 version to IT2006.

There are several ways to get the latest version of VNC viewer. The easiest way is to get it from the Extras repository. Go to http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ApplicationCatalog2006#head-a8bce6e8c0a6424753c230281bcdae0be4de7df5 to get the requisite information--you may already have the extras repository in your list of repositories for Application Manager. Plus, by using the repository, it will be very easy to get new versions of VNC viewer when they become available. Alternatively, you can download and install the package directly, at https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/476/vncviewer_0.4.1_armel.deb .

Detlef and I also have a new Web site, although there isn't much content. It's at https://garage.maemo.org/projects/vncviewer/ . You can submit bugs from this Web site, download a source package, and browse the source that is checked into SVN. There isn't much content at this Web site, but that will likely change soon.

I've included the changelog since 0.3 below.

vncviewer (0.4.1):
* Reenabled CoRRE as it was a bug in vino (Detlef)
* Some performance improvements especially for 24-bit depth (Detlef)
* Enhanced user interface feedback for fullscreen feature (Aaron, Detlef)

vncviewer (0.4):
* Updated to IT2006 (much of work done by Detlef Schmicker and Derek Coleman)
* Bug fix: Disabled CoRRE encoding, as it does not work, at least with vino server (Detlef)
* Replaced user/password dialog with password dialog

vncviewer (0.3.2):
* Completed feature: Completed lockdown mode by disabling the Home button. Depending on the environment, this also requires a change to maemo_af_desktop. Also, disabled the default behavior for a long back key press, which is to exit the application
* New feature: Added Reconnect button to hardware key lockdown disable password dialog which allows the regular user to force a reconnect
* New feature: Added Admin... button to reconnect dialog which is displayed when unable to connect in lockdown mode. Pressing the Admin... button allows the user to disable lockdown mode if the proper password is entered.
* Bug fix: addressed issue where application did not appear in the task bar (this bug was added in 0.3.1)
* Misc change: Changed hardware key lockdown disable timeout from five to two seconds
* Misc code cleanup

vncviewer (0.3.1):
* New feature: added support for automatically connecting to a network
* New feature: added general command-line argument support--use vncviewer --help for more information
* New feature: added ability to pass hostname and password into vncviewer via the command-line (using the --hostname and --password options, respectively). If --hostname and --password are used and the connection is dropped, vncviewer will attempt to automatically reconnect.
* New feature: added lockdown user interface ability, activated with the --lockdown command-line option. In lockdown mode, the user interface only responds to mouse input and any key activity is ignored. The user interface also automatically goes to full screen and the toolbar is disabled. If a hardware key is held down for five seconds or more, lockdown mode may be disabled. If no lockdown password is specified with the --lockdown-password command-line option, lockdown mode is disabled. If a password is specified, then a dialog is displayed requesting the password. If the connection dies or the client is unable to connect to the server in lockdown mode, a special message box is displayed, and pressing the OK button automatically results in reconnect.
* Misc change: the list of encodings sent is now the same for both local and remote servers. This addresses the slow user interface as a result of using the raw encoding when connecting to a server via an SSH tunnel.
* Bug fix: addressed issue that resulted in a phantom image of the horizontal scroll bar sticking around after disconnecting from a server in full screen mode.

Aaron

[=DC=]

Welcome back Aaron. Glad to see you continue work on VNC viewer. I too, plan on getting back to doing some more Maemo development. I hope to see some more great work form you and Detlef soon.

- Derek

[atheist]

hello, i've been having a problem with vncviewer, even after installing the new version as above. when connecting to my ubuntu desktop, the vcnviewer window closes after i input my password. i've tried rebooting, but nothing changed. i can connect to the desktop through my ubuntu laptop with no trouble.

any ideas?

thanks,
-steve

[AaronL]

hello, i've been having a problem with vncviewer, even after installing the new version as above. when connecting to my ubuntu desktop, the vcnviewer window closes after i input my password. i've tried rebooting, but nothing changed. i can connect to the desktop through my ubuntu laptop with no trouble.
This has come up a number of times in discussions regarding VNC viewer and vino. The problem is with vino, and apparently, the problem has also been fixed. For more information, go to http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/13344 and http://physik.de/770/.

AaronL

[atheist]

i already have the physik.de version, and i'm trying to connect to a dapper system, not edgy. are the issues the same?

thanks,
-steve

[AaronL]

i already have the physik.de version, and i'm trying to connect to a dapper system, not edgy. are the issues the same?
Most likely. You can download a different version of vino from physik.de/770 that works with the VNC viewer for maemo. The bug is in vino.

Alternatively, you could run vncserver or possibly x11vnc as your VNC server.

AaronL

[atheist]

ok; stupid question:

the new vino is going to be installed on the dapper machine, and not the 770, right?

sorry... thanks for the reply!

-steve

[AaronL]

ok; stupid question:
the new vino is going to be installed on the dapper machine, and not the 770, right?
Right. Vino is a VNC server and hosts your desktop, whereas the 770 is being used as a VNC client/viewer that connects to the server.

AaronL

[atheist]

this may take some time; i tried today and quickly got into dependency hell...

-steve

[bsterix]

I've installed VNC, but cant get a connection to my VNC-server.

The VNC-Server is installed on my windows-XP-Desktop-PC
When i try to connect from the Desktop to the Desktop the server responds. From the N770 the server is not found.

The desktop is connected directly to my WLAN-DSL_Router the N770 with WLAN, the connection to the Internet works good, i.e. the N770 seems to be connected to the router as expected.

Any ideas what might be the reason for this problem?

[LukeWorm]

I have the same situation and issue as bsterix above.
Installed UltraVNC on my homePC (XP Home) and tested it with the UltraVNC client on my laptop (XP Pro). Works perfectly.
Then tried this VNC Viewer on my 770. Cannot connect to server.
All is via same ADSL box.

[anb]

I recently acquired the Nokia 770 and not being in the computer field its interesting to experiment. Yesterday I installed the free version of RealVnc and got it to work pretty quick. Total luck! I can only tell you exactly what I did for it to run. I'm running Win XP.
Install RealVNC.
Allow exceptions for port 5800, 5900 and for winvnc4.exe
(the RealVNC program) under Windows firewall setting.
If you have a router port forward 5800 and 5900
with the ip address that you see when you mouse over
the VNC icon in the taskbar, i.e. 192.168.?.?
At this point apply the Alitalia axiom- "Don't toucha nothin" in the RealVNC settings until you have the thing working. Then go in and add a password for authenication.
I'm sure the experts here will rip me a new one for being so basic but it worked. :D
Oh and I would suggest you uninstall everything, restart and install again. I did and it worked the second time.

[LukeWorm]

I figured it out; oh, I feel so stupid :o :o
With my XP laptop I naturally used the computer name of my homePC to connect to. With the 770 I need to use the ip address, of course (without port).