Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!

[iTab]

How can I go back to the previous version?

[Benson]

Reflash to the original Diablo and upgrade only to the point you want (easy), or go through manually adjusting repositories to old SSU versions and downgrading packages (harder).

[macr0t0r]

Well, for what it's worth, I couldn't get a reliable upgrade until I did the following:
1. Backup (using bundled Backup tool)
2. Re-flash.
3. Update (multiple times until you have the latest Diablo)
4. Restore from backup.
Seems to work...but what a pain!

- Jim

[darethehair]

Folks:

I don't know how many others are in the same boat as I am -- I have held off installing the latest upgrade in hopes that an easy way will be explained how to *avoid* problems, or (better yet) that a newer version will follow which will be *risk-free*. Are either of these scenarios realistic?

[iTab]

Well, for what it's worth, I couldn't get a reliable upgrade until I did the following:
1. Backup (using bundled Backup tool)
2. Re-flash.
3. Update (multiple times until you have the latest Diablo)
4. Restore from backup.
Seems to work...but what a pain!

- Jim

How do I "Re-Flash" to a prior version? Do I get it from a link somewhere and then install it via a wire to my PC?

Then, how do I "update multiple times to have the latest Diablo"...?

Then, how do I "restore from backup"...?

I have a folder in my memory of a "backup" - can't I just activate that somehow?

[vinc17]

How do I "Re-Flash" to a prior version? Do I get it from a link somewhere and then install it via a wire to my PC?
Look at the wiki (http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware). It will necessarily be a previous version.

Then, how do I "update multiple times to have the latest Diablo"...?
With the Application Manager or apt-get.

Then, how do I "restore from backup"...?
In my case, this was proposed automatically.

[iTab]

Look at the wiki (http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware). It will necessarily be a previous version.


With the Application Manager or apt-get.


In my case, this was proposed automatically.
OK, so I do the re-flash with that link's instructions.

Then, I go to the Application Manager and refresh for updates?

That's it? It will go back to the previous version or it will access and go back to my back-up?

[vinc17]

OK, so I do the re-flash with that link's instructions.

Then, I go to the Application Manager and refresh for updates?

That's it? It will go back to the previous version or it will access and go back to my back-up?
After the reflash, you'll get the first Diablo version, and after the first reboot, the system will propose you to restore the backup. Then you can use the Application Manager to do any update, including the SSU ones (I don't remember under what name they appear, but it is quite clear). Note that at this time, only the first SSU will be proposed; if you want the latest SSU, you need to install the first one, then it will ask you to reboot, and after the reboot, use the Application Manager again, refresh for updates again, and the second SSU will be proposed. Just install it...

[macr0t0r]

So...I realize I'm preaching to the choir...but why are they doing this screwball combined-package update? The whole point of the lovely apt-get utility is to manage dependencies. As far as I'm concerned, the system update should just be a simple script with a bunch of dependencies for updated versions of modest, microb, etc. It would certainly make things far less draconian when doing a fresh flash install versus having to do multiple combined-package updates with reboots in-between. I rather like being able to sym-link certain User folders to my SD card, and I don't want to have to keep a bunch of foreign user-guides (rumored as possible causes for the update failures...I had done both). They're blunder has made me forever gun-shy on future updates.

However, now that they have made this mess, will future updates DEPEND on this unified package? They've sort of dug themselves a hole here. Whoever bundled this thing does not seem too knowledgeable about why apt-get exists and how to use it.

Perhaps I'm missing something. Is there a Maemo repository that DOES host all the Diablo applications and libraries where a person could update without a unified package. If not...why not?

- Jim

[Benson]

So...I realize I'm preaching to the choir...but why are they doing this screwball combined-package update? The whole point of the lovely apt-get utility is to manage dependencies. As far as I'm concerned, the system update should just be a simple script with a bunch of dependencies for updated versions of modest, microb, etc. It would certainly make things far less draconian when doing a fresh flash install versus having to do multiple combined-package updates with reboots in-between. I rather like being able to sym-link certain User folders to my SD card, and I don't want to have to keep a bunch of foreign user-guides (rumored as possible causes for the update failures...I had done both). They're blunder has made me forever gun-shy on future updates.

However, now that they have made this mess, will future updates DEPEND on this unified package? They've sort of dug themselves a hole here. Whoever bundled this thing does not seem too knowledgeable about why apt-get exists and how to use it.

Perhaps I'm missing something. Is there a Maemo repository that DOES host all the Diablo applications and libraries where a person could update without a unified package. If not...why not?

- Jim

They're coming at this from "the way we've always done it" with cellphone firmware, and are trying to use the Debian package infrastructure implement the same approach of updating everything at once, and making sure the entire system is in a known state first. (This method avoids the assumption that packages are independent.)

Of course, that assumption is avoided in a better way with dpkg; packages specify their interdependencies, so any package can be upgraded in isolation, or with updates of any associated components. But they're not used to that idea, yet.

I think we're stuck with the current situation for Diablo. (I've heard that Fremantle will be different WRT updates; not sure what it will be, but hopefully just normal packages in a repository.)

[GeneralAntilles]

I think we're stuck with the current situation for Diablo. (I've heard that Fremantle will be different WRT updates; not sure what it will be, but hopefully just normal packages in a repository.)

Well, we seem to have a chance of having at least preinstalled- documentation-rx*4 removed from osv.

That said, if somebody wants to help me get things started withe the Community Edition, we can solve most of these issues ourselves without waiting for Nokia. . . .

[tso]

well, the question is, what kind of help can one provide?

[GeneralAntilles]

well, the question is, what kind of help can one provide?

Well, for the time being we need to experiment with packaging. See what works, see what areas are going to cause trouble, see what kinds of cool things we can get working, etc.

Specifically, play with the dependencies of osso-software-version-rx*4, play with the packaging of stuff like Modest and MicroB to see if we can unhook them from the OS to make them modular, and start dropping in community patches and hacks onto Nokia's packages and programs.

The wiki page (http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_Community_distribution) outlines some of it, but we haven't gotten beyond the discussion stage, so getting some stuff to play with together is the next step.

[iTab]

After the reflash, you'll get the first Diablo version, and after the first reboot, the system will propose you to restore the backup. Then you can use the Application Manager to do any update, including the SSU ones (I don't remember under what name they appear, but it is quite clear). Note that at this time, only the first SSU will be proposed; if you want the latest SSU, you need to install the first one, then it will ask you to reboot, and after the reboot, use the Application Manager again, refresh for updates again, and the second SSU will be proposed. Just install it...

I just did a re-flash and it went from:

V4.2008.36-5 to V4.2008.36-5

How do I get the version before V4.2008.36-5...?

[vinc17]

How do I get the version before V4.2008.36-5...?
Assuming you have a N810, go to http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php and download RX-44_DIABLO_4.2008.23-14_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin. As the filename says, this is 4.2008.23-14 (the first Diablo version).

[iTab]

Assuming you have a N810, go to http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php and download RX-44_DIABLO_4.2008.23-14_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin. As the filename says, this is 4.2008.23-14 (the first Diablo version).
Thanks!

So, I have an N800 and I downloaded the one that's called:

RX-34_DIABLO_4.2008.23-14_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin
Software Edition 2008 version 4.2008.23-14 for Nokia N800

I downloaded it to my PC and I downloaded it to my removeable memory card (in my N800).

Do I just run it from my N800? How so? Just click onto it? And then my device should reset or the OS will revert back to the one from April?

Thanks so much for pointing this out to me!!!

[vinc17]

Do I just run it from my N800?
No, do not run it. Follow the instructions here (http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware).

[iTab]

No, do not run it. Follow the instructions here (http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware).

Thanks.

Which is the link for the "flasher" that I wanna download on this page:
http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/

I mean, I downloaded: RX-34_DIABLO_4.2008.23-14_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin - but now, I am lost.

[vinc17]

RX-34_DIABLO_4.2008.23-14_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin is not the flasher, but the firmware. Follow the instructions to download the flasher (I don't remember and the wiki is currently down) and reflash your N800; this depends on the OS you have on your personal computer.

[iTab]

RX-34_DIABLO_4.2008.23-14_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin is not the flasher, but the firmware. Follow the instructions to download the flasher (I don't remember and the wiki is currently down) and reflash your N800; this depends on the OS you have on your personal computer.

Thanks.

OK, I got the Firmware installed on my Nokia N800.

Now, I am running the process to get Sirius playing on my N800 (again) and when I get to the part where it tells me to install "BeautifulSoup" (easy_install BeautifulSoup), I get an error that I don't have enough memory (which isn't possible, because I have 1 GB of internal memory and 2 GBs of external memory and I have nothing on either card. (Plus, it worked before.)

Link with Sirius instructions (http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22503&highlight=Sirius)...

[Naranek]

Programs are installed on the device's own flash memory. Use the file manager to move stuff from your Audio clips, Documents, Games etc. folders and the root directory of those to the internal and external cards and you should be peachy.

[luffman]

My N810 keeps rebooting after this update! It seems that the Star Trek boot screen add on is messing things up. I am looking for guidance on what to do to fix this. Can I boot up with extras turned off and then uninstall the add on that I believe to be the problem? Where do I get instructions to restore the unit back to factory specs ad then restore my backup? TIA...

[Andre Klapper]

Where do I get instructions to restore the unit back to factory specs ad then restore my backup? TIA...

Flashing the device to e.g. 4.2008.23-14 (Diablo without updates) is exaplined at https://wiki.maemo.org/Upgrading_tablet_OS .

[migs]

So was this considered a minor update, can we expect a major update in the future?

[GeneralAntilles]

So was this considered a minor update, can we expect a major update in the future?

Yes, Fremantle, sometime next year.

[migs]

Yes, Fremantle, sometime next year.

Thanks for the response, just searched Fremantle. Will it be also available for N8x0 series, or only for the new OMAP3 tablet coming soon?

[sjgadsby]

Will it be also available for N8x0 series, or only for the new OMAP3 tablet coming soon?

That's a good question, and one that has been asked many times before. Like Fremantle itself, the answer will be available later, probably sometime next year.

[tori]

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[tori]

So...

After I read all of this thread....
I still don'tt know what would be the better thing to do,

I run N800 under chinook 2.2007.53-3

I was thinking to format it all new, by using the usb cable connected to the windows pc and uploading one of the ARM.bin from the tablets-dev.nokia.com

The only thing I couldn't figure out... will it better to install this old chinook version again, or to take the new diablo 5.2008..43-7

I need a stable system without any memory leakage, fast battery drainage or any other "surprise"

Please write your advice

Thankyou
Tori

[GeneralAntilles]

Please write your advice


Install the latest Diablo release. End of story.

[Johnx]

So...

Please write your advice


At this point, I think the latest Diablo release is your best bet. IMHO it's more stable than Chinook at this point.

-John

[qgil]

This old thread had its life. Please open a new one if you have further questions.