Seamless Software Upgrade v4.2008.36-5 is out!

[NateLikesClaire]

go online today with your tablet for an update.

[codeMonkey]

What's the update to?

[tfinnan]

Crazy. First time I've touched my IT in months (due to my eee 900 taking up the role of 'portable internet' in my life), and there's an update. Just installing now on the way to the office. Hope everyone has luck with it.

BTW, release # is 1:4.2008.36-5.

[JamesU]

Anyone notice any improvements?

[yegaoo]

Don't know the rest of the features, but microb is way faster!!!

[Jaffa]

Some issues which've been discussed on IRC (http://wiki.maemo.org/IRC):


Some desktop applets (like "Tableteer info" and "Quick Contacts") can become re-enabled.
Extras can become disabled.


List of packages touched during the upgrade is interesting, the summary of "Email, Web and Connectivity" seems to be right.

[yegaoo]

Some issues which've been discussed on IRC (http://wiki.maemo.org/IRC):


Some desktop applets (like "Tableteer info" and "Quick Contacts") can become re-enabled.
Extras can become disabled.


List of packages touched during the upgrade is interesting, the summary of "Email, Web and Connectivity" seems to be right.

I'll add to these that my N800 became locked while installing, I had to enter my password during this upgrade (strange, since it is supposed to lock itself every hour)

[Halchemy]

Hmm... update appeared to install but n800 will not restart manually. I did not restart itself as I left it to do it it'self. It turns itself off near end of start process when blue bar is about 80% of way across screen and then back on again in a loop.

If I take memory cards out of n800, blue bar gets gets right across screen then it does same thing; blue light flashes three times it turns off and then restarts and goes through this process in endless loop.

Anybody any solution please?

[yegaoo]

It seems to have a newer Flash... but I can't confirm this.

But before I wasnt able to watch videos from facebook, and now I can...

[GeneralAntilles]

It seems to have a newer Flash... but I can't confirm this.

But before I could not play videos from facebook, and now I can...

No, the version string is just correct now (http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22862).

[mikkov]

Hmm... update appeared to install but n800 will not restart manually. I did not restart itself as I left it to do it it'self. It turns itself off near end of start process when blue bar is about 80% of way across screen and then back on again in a loop.

Anybody any solution please?

Flashing the firmware is probably the only solution: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware

[Matyas]

It broke my boot menu.... is your one still working??

Cheers!

[astuermer]

Any noticable updates to Modest?

Especially the non-working AUTO-UPDATE-INBOX function... ;-)

[Harriv]

Hmm... update appeared to install but n800 will not restart manually. I did not restart itself as I left it to do it it'self. It turns itself off near end of start process when blue bar is about 80% of way across screen and then back on again in a loop.

If I take memory cards out of n800, blue bar gets gets right across screen then it does same thing; blue light flashes three times it turns off and then restarts and goes through this process in endless loop.

Anybody any solution please?

For the record, I have same problem. I'll try reflashing soon.

[GeneralAntilles]

It broke my boot menu.... is your one still working??


Well, the initfs was updated, what do you expect?

[Karel Jansens]

Has anyone with a botched previous update tried to install this one?

[Texrat]

Don't know the rest of the features, but microb is way faster!!!

Yup. I've been having to really bite my lip on that one. :D

[fanoush]

It broke my boot menu.... is your one still working??

Yes, this is to be expected. Anyone knows new initfs version?
cat /mnt/initfs/etc/initfs_version
or try to reinstall bootmenu (http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/initfs_flasher.tgz), it will complain if there is new unknown initfs and print its version.

I am downloading repository files now and will examine initfs image. BTW, before any such SSU update it may make sense to backup your customized bootmenu.conf since the one in initfs gets lost.

[Matyas]

Yes, this is to be expected. Anyone knows new initfs version?

Yes, it is now 2008-36

[gammer]

No problem here, updated successfully (btw N800 was fully charged, no AC power while updating as required for full reflash).

Cannot check browser performance improvements since I have 3G connection only while at work.

[Texrat]

The browser is definitely snappier. On my WLAN, some pages now load instantly (light stuff like Google's homepage) and even the heavy ones like amazon.com show improvement.

[Matyas]

Well, the initfs was updated, what do you expect?

Well, no one reported about it, and being such a complete source of information, as many others, I mostly rely on the forum for such a news.

I take my chance to say "thank you" to fanoush for his precious work, he is one of the pillars of this community.

[westdene]

For the record, I have same problem. I'll try reflashing soon.

Same problem here :( keeps on rebooting :/. Blue bar reaches 80% then LED flashes 3 times and reboots again.

[fanoush]

Yes, it is now 2008-36
there are small differences in linuxrc script which is patched by bootmenu. The difference seems to be only related to RX-48 device (i.e. the wimax N810).

So if you need it fast, just extract current initfs flasher and symlink (or even just rename) all those whatever.2008-29.xxx file versions to 2008-36 like
mv initfs.2008-29.tgz initfs.2008-36.tgz
...

Then it should install.

Or wait for proper update with real patched -36 linuxrc this evening (~ 5 hours from now).

The full linuxrc difference is
118a119,130
> load_omap_hwrng_module()
> {
> grep RX-48 /proc/component_version >/dev/null
> if [ $? -ne 0 ]; then
> echo "Loading OMAP GP Hardware RNG modules... "
> insmod $MODULE_PATH/rng-core.ko
> insmod $MODULE_PATH/omap-rng.ko
> echo "Seeding random number generator from OMAP HW RNG..."
> dd if=/dev/hwrandom of=/dev/urandom bs=512 count=1
> fi
> }
>
337a350
> load_omap_hwrng_module
356a370
> load_omap_hwrng_module
366a381
> load_omap_hwrng_module

so the code does something different (seeding random number generator) only for RX-48 device and old linuxrc version should be safe for plain N810 or N800.

EDIT: umm, in fact it looks like it calls this for everything except RX-48 (if [ $? -ne 0 ]) so let's better wait :-) Maybe it will still work but random numbers will have worse quality.

[superbondbond]

Any noticable updates to Modest?

Especially the non-working AUTO-UPDATE-INBOX function... ;-)
My initial use of Modest shows the same condition. Auto-update does not work (for me).

[nikolajhendel]

update didn't go as planned for me. Broke boot from sd (which was expected), but the backup I did just before updating doesn't seem to work. The only thing I get back when restoring is bookmarks. Applications(list) is gone, so I have to reinstall from scratch...
Anyone else experiencing this? (and yes, I did remember to back everything up)

[Matyas]

.

Or wait for proper update with real patched -36 linuxrc this evening (~ 5 hours from now).

T

What can I say more than thank you! If you pass by, here in Warsaw, it will be a pleasure to offer you a beer and a nice walk in the castle of Natolin's park (wonderful even if not very famous).

Mattia

[ghoonk]

wth, I'm getting an error message :

Unable to update OS2008 Feature upgrade
Conflict with application packages: adobe-flashplayer (>=2.51-2)

How do I work around this?

[bow]

I got the same error, so I uninstalled that little patch for the flash-version that I installed the other day. After that it worked.

[Harriv]

Same problem here :( keeps on rebooting :/. Blue bar reaches 80% then LED flashes 3 times and reboots again.

Reflashing brought the device back to life, and updating the clean device worked as expected.

[westdene]

I had to reflash my N800, loosing all my installed progs. Hard work again in installing repositories, apps and so. Thank God that all my important data was stored in the cards.
Any way, its gonna be a long long day putting back all the things!!!
Nice update btw :/

[Benson]

So, I'll hit this this afternoon; thanks for the great work, Fanoush!

(They really ought to send you the new versions ahead of time.)

(Actually, it would kind of make sense if they had a second SSU repo analogous to extras-devel, where updates would be released a week early for advanced users -- that would give time for us to detect conflicts with various third-party software, and hopefully get workarounds/compatibility worked out before it gets pushed to less-advanced users. Might cut down on the number of "Oops, reboot loop -- guess I'll reflash and wonder what package caused it" cases.)

[Jaffa]

Any noticable updates to Modest? Especially the non-working AUTO-UPDATE-INBOX function... ;-)

My initial use of Modest shows the same condition. Auto-update does not work (for me).

Mine (#3542 (https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3542)) is now working - but was just before the update (workaround for my issue on the bug list)

[Chelloveck]

Same problem here :( keeps on rebooting :/. Blue bar reaches 80% then LED flashes 3 times and reboots again.

Let me add a sad little "me too" to this. Constant reboot loop, going to have to re-flash. All my data is safe on the card, but it's going to be a pain to have to reinstall all my apps.

[Nelson L. Squeeko]

wth, I'm getting an error message :

Unable to update OS2008 Feature upgrade
Conflict with application packages: adobe-flashplayer (>=2.51-2)

How do I work around this?

I'm having the same problem. I've never made any changes to the flash player, and never had problems with it either.

Will the update work if I uninstall Flash altogether from the Components in the web browser? I was about to do it, but then didn't know how I'd reinstall Flash.

[debudebu]

I got the same error, so I uninstalled that little patch for the flash-version that I installed the other day. After that it worked.


hi. i can't remember how i installed the patch. can someone help me out with uninstalling it? the idea of possibly re-flashing for this update too makes me tired.

thanks

[rok]

No problems so far!
The browser is really fast!

Was Flash in fullscreen (youtube) possible before? I can't remember.

[dwforslund]

I'm trying to run this upgrade but it says it need 33Mbytes! and then says there is not enough space. I can't tell what to clean up or remove in order to allow it to upgrade.

[caulktel]

That's odd, I'm just not seeing the update, my blinking ! has not made it yet.

[sachin007]

That's odd, I'm just not seeing the update, my blinking ! has not made it yet.

Go to app manager - app catalog - close - refresh catalog

[Cprocida]

Hi,

After upgrading to the new version of OS2008 (new version: 4.2008.36-5), maemomapper did not work anymore.

When I put an address on "go to address", after some time a message appears: "Failed to connect to GPX directions server".

Does anyone know why this happened and what the solution to solve this problem?

Thanks,

[prk60091]

hi. i can't remember how i installed the patch. can someone help me out with uninstalling it? the idea of possibly re-flashing for this update too makes me tired.

thanks


i have exactly the same issue...and i cannot remember installing any patch to flash...

[benny1967]

i'm still at the office and will do this update when i'm home. - meanwhile: i remember last time there where issues with SSU when people didn't have enough space on the device so the files needed for the update couldn't be processed and the whole thing stalled.

is this still possible or did they include a check this time? if they didn't, does anyone know how much space is recommended for a sfe upgrade?

[albright]

Hi all. I dual boot from sd card and use kde. Does anyone have
step by step instructions for how to install the update and not
have to reinstall the sd card setup and apps? Last update I had
to reflash and reinstall :(

[Matyas]

Hi all. I dual boot from sd card and use kde. Does anyone have
step by step instructions for how to install the update and not
have to reinstall the sd card setup and apps? Last update I had
to reflash and reinstall :(

There is already a "dirty way" to make the new initfs works with the update but tonight fanoush will relase the updated package of the initfs flasher, useful to get the bootmenu.

So, if you want to use your tablet from the card, wait till tonigh.

[svrkprabhakar]

Thanks a lot for letting know about this update. the update is not automatically notified by NIT, I had to launch the application manager and manually refresh it then only it identified the update. No issues with update, finished smoothly.
First thing I did was to check the performance of browser.

Videos:
CNN: still bad, no improvement. Choppy voice and image
Youtube: Excellent voice and image
BBC: Poor streaming but voice is a bit better than CNN
Veoh: Didn't load the image, says I need to upgrade the flash which is not possible with NIT world so easily
Google videos: Good voice and image streaming.

Page loading speed: Appears to have improved on certain (CNN) but no change on others (BBC, google)

I see quite a bit of improvement on YT and Google Videos and none or not significant in other cases.

No issue with Memo mapper
All my podcast streams have disappeared from gPodder!
All my contacts, browser bookmarks are intact.
Booting is a bit faster after second and third booting
Browser loaded slow after first booting and was OK afterwords.
I thought application loading was a bit faster now than previous. Not sure if I am right, please let me know what is your experience.
No visual improvements at all:mad:

Ok, it is time to get back to secular work:o

[mikkov]

Thanks a lot for letting know about this update. the update is not automatically notified by NIT, I had to launch the application manager and manually refresh it then only it identified the update.

Tablet will notify about the update, but it checks for updates once a day, so it doesn't notify instantly.

[Reggie]

A Seamless Software Upgrade (SSU) notification should prompt you of a v4.2008.36-5 firmware update once you go online with your Maemo 4.1 (Diablo) device. The update aims to improve email, web browsing, and connectivity. Early reports from itT members are mixed. Some have updated with no problems and have reported faster browsing, while others are experiencing locks, boot menu problems, looping reboots, and package conflicts which seem to get fixed after a manual reflash. If you have installed anything out of the ordinary, be sure to read through the thread before updating.Read the full article. (http://www.internettablettalk.com/2008/09/29/seamless-software-upgrade-v4200836-5-is-out/)

[Laughing Man]

i have exactly the same issue...and i cannot remember installing any patch to flash...

It was probably the patch that fixed the version string (the last update changed the reported version which resulted in websites thinking the flash we had was outdated). I dunno how to uninstall it (though I do remember where we got it from).

Anyway, what's the command to backup my bootmenu (I configured it already with details like return to : #) so I prefer not having to reconfigure it.

[svrkprabhakar]

I really wonder if NIT can ever improve its video performance, it sucks when I compare it with Ipod. I just dont get it how NIT is made without keeping video performance in view, the last two updates didnt made much progress on this front and I wonder if it is conforming that the issue with the hardware!!!

[Laughing Man]

Well the hardware is slightly dated.

[AstroGuy]

Update worked smoothly on my N810 except adblock as stopped working. Browser seems snappy, but ads, ads dirty stinkin ads everywhere.

[lm2]

There is already a "dirty way" to make the new initfs works with the update but tonight fanoush will relase the updated package of the initfs flasher, useful to get the bootmenu.

So, if you want to use your tablet from the card, wait till tonigh.

Can you say more? I always boot from SD, and last SSU worked fine for me, but I can't remember if I had to install SSU in both flash and when booting from SD. So:

1. Will I need to install SSU from both flash and while booting from SD?
2. Will I need to do the same with fanoush's flasher?

Thanks!

[Benson]

Well, if you are trying to keep an up-to-date system in flash, yes, you'll have to install the SSU there. If not, it may work, but changes to the kernel or initfs could cause issues requiring updating the corresponding userland.

There's one initfs, so you'll only need to fix that once.

[svrkprabhakar]

Well the hardware is slightly dated.

But do you think the hardware is so bad to perform so terrible for playing small videos? I remember owning cyrix 233 Mhz processor 8 year back and my PC used to play videos and tv nuner pretty well! I believe it has partly to do with the bad architecture, OS, software etc etc.

[salomc]

I also got reboot loop. Going to reflash, but I don't find the last OS version to download, only "crude" Diablo. Do I have to download Diablo and wait for the updates to show up?

[debudebu]

It was probably the patch that fixed the version string (the last update changed the reported version which resulted in websites thinking the flash we had was outdated). I dunno how to uninstall it (though I do remember where we got it from).

Anyway, what's the command to backup my bootmenu (I configured it already with details like return to : #) so I prefer not having to reconfigure it.

ok, i figured out how to fix the flash package conflict isue. just go to the application manager, select 'show installed packages', find 'flash-player-r48' and click uninstall. this package is small (something like 0.1 kb) and is not the actual flash plugin. it is just a version correction package, or whatever it is called. after uninistalling, go back to 'available updates' and install the new update.

so far microb is a bit faster. i haven't noticed anything else, but i have only used it for a couple minutes.

[svrkprabhakar]

Honestly speaking, I wouldnt suggest to update your NITs if you are using multiple OS to boot to since I think it is not so worthwhile to take risk with this update.

[migs]

Their is a big difference in the browser speed now. I was almost ready to give up on my N800. Its very usable now, even fit to width view! I dont have to use skweezer anymore yeah!

Finally I have an "Internet Tablet" and not a 300 dollar freezing, crashing paper weight.

[la3875]

:( All has been well with my 810 since I got it in May, including reflashing and update notifications until today's OS update. Following today's update the desktop was all there but wireless was lost and all buttons were unresponsive. I then removed the battery and restarted and the device was in a rebooting loop and would not recover. I'm in the middle of reflashing now and will report the outcome.

[svrkprabhakar]

I am glad that your N800 is doing better than before, but I am yet to hear from N810 holders to say the same least. At least I am not so much jumping with joy with this update on my N810. Of course, I wouldnt say that it is a 300 dollar paper weight:-))

[Benson]

But do you think the hardware is so bad to perform so terrible for playing small videos? I remember owning cyrix 233 Mhz processor 8 year back and my PC used to play videos and tv nuner pretty well! I believe it has partly to do with the bad architecture, OS, software etc etc.
In short, you have no clue what the limitation is.

Search, read, and you will learn. Hints: "epson" "bandwidth"

[tso]

when they say "connectivity" do they refer to rtcomm?

it seems i can no longer log onto msn using the built in chat...

beyond that the update went smooth, even tho i was worried that i had not enough free space on the internal storage...

[svrkprabhakar]

OK, I got it now, it has to do with the epson chip that is behind display rendering. So, how many software patches may come the video performance is not going to improve drastically...very sad:-(

[vasvlad]

Hmm... update appeared to install but n800 will not restart manually. I did not restart itself as I left it to do it it'self. It turns itself off near end of start process when blue bar is about 80% of way across screen and then back on again in a loop.

If I take memory cards out of n800, blue bar gets gets right across screen then it does same thing; blue light flashes three times it turns off and then restarts and goes through this process in endless loop.

Anybody any solution please?

I have this problem also :(

Vlad.

[benny1967]

beyond that the update went smooth, even tho i was worried that i had not enough free space on the internal storage...

how much do you have? how much do i need?

[tso]

how much do you have? how much do i need?

well the update says its 33MB in size, i freeded up 37MB on internal, and after the update and reboot, still had 36MB free. so to tell the truth, i dont know...

[Texrat]

Tablet will notify about the update, but it checks for updates once a day, so it doesn't notify instantly.

Right, the tablet typically has to be online for 24 hours straight for auto alerts to work.

[svrkprabhakar]

Right, the tablet typically has to be online for 24 hours straight for auto alerts to work.

Well, it defeats the logic of autoupdate notification. It should happen instantaneously, I dont see any logic why it should take 24 hrs to notify an update.

[febb]

Infinite reboot cycle after updating. This is on an N810

The only "weird" thing that I had installed is the Rotate screen feature.

How could something like this happen. !....Oh well, let's reflash again.

[Benson]

Well, it defeats the logic of autoupdate notification. It should happen instantaneously, I dont see any logic why it should take 24 hrs to notify an update.

Well, instantaneously would be pretty bad, as it would require either Nokia (and every other repository maintainer) having always available contact info to push data, or continuous polling from the device side; while 24h seems a bit excessive (I changed mine to 2h, IIRC), some interval is necessary, especially for people whose internet access is via limited-data mobile plans.

You can always poll manually at any time, so it's not a big issue, anyway (IMHO).

[Texrat]

Well, it defeats the logic of autoupdate notification. It should happen instantaneously, I dont see any logic why it should take 24 hrs to notify an update.

I was told the logic, and it actually made sense, but I forget the rationale offhand. Maybe someone else remembers.

[bluesubaru]

Well, it defeats the logic of autoupdate notification. It should happen instantaneously, I dont see any logic why it should take 24 hrs to notify an update.

If the system checks once a day for an update imagine the following: If it checked at 9:00AM and the update was released at 10AM, you will not be notified till 23 hours later when it checks again. Simple. The device isn't going to check constantly for something that happens maybe 10 times a year.

[svrkprabhakar]

Well guys, you are right that it cant continuously poll and you are also right that it can't be 24 hrs. But it should happen for sure at least once immediately after the tablet connects to internet (as many number of times it connects to internet in a day)!

[sachin007]

Well guys, you are right that it cant continuously poll and you are also right that it can't be 24 hrs. But it should happen for sure at least once immediately after the tablet connects to internet (as many number of times it connects to internet in a day)!

That will make the tablet more unresponsive at startup. imagine checking email, rss feeds, media and on top of it updates all the time, even when it is rarely required.

I definitely would not want that.

[Benson]

I think it does check upon coming online, as long as it's been 24h, or whatever you set, since the last check; Texrat indicated otherwise, and I could be wrong; mine is almost always connected, so I don't really know.

If it doesn't, then it definitely should. (Provided the timeout has elapsed -- if you're auto-reconnecting in an area of flaky data coverage, you could wind up updating every 5 minutes, which does eat bandwidth to no purpose.) It'd be nice, also, to provide UI for the timeout setting; right now it's done with a manual gconf edit, analogous to a registry tweak in Windows.

[svrkprabhakar]

You may be right. But one amazing feature I think is RSS feeds get updated even if my RSS feed reader is not kept launched, only thing I need to do is keep my internet tablet switched on and connected to internet. but the same happen with gpodder or other rss parsers.

[Texrat]

IMO 8 hours is probably a better low-side number for polling... but if I changed mine it would probably be to 12.

EDIT: it's my understanding that the device has to be online 24 hours before it can automatically see the SSU alert... but I could be wrong. However, that seemed to be borne out with the latest one I'm testing (not 36-5) because I had to finally force the issue manually since the tablet had been offline.

You may be right. But one amazing feature I think is RSS feeds get updated even if my RSS feed reader is not kept launched, only thing I need to do is keep my internet tablet switched on and connected to internet. but the same happen with gpodder or other rss parsers.

You can't really compare SSU with RSS.

[migs]

So anybody know the list of fixes??

[svrkprabhakar]

So anybody know the list of fixes??

As far as I know it is only psychological fixes, not many 'mind blowing' or even 'significant' across all the users. :p

[Texrat]

As far as I know it is only psychological fixes, not many 'mind blowing' or even 'significant' across all the users. :p

We're at that point in the device's life. Most improvements will be incremental.

[prk60091]

remember back in the day when os updates crashed nokia's servers? well by having the tablet poll 1x/24hrs - it keeps the servers from crashing- not everyone will be updating at once

[canoehead]

Camera flip in video chat seems to be fixed. I don't have the camera package currently installed, for what it is worth. Was working in 2007, broken somewhere in Diablo, and works now again.

[svrkprabhakar]

Right, lets change the topic to substantial update experiences since I can see some of us are very eager to know if the latest update brings wonders. Let me tell you guys, it may have fixed some unknown bugs and might have brought some stability but not worthy if you had to reflash and reinstall all your applications and dual boots. Just keep that effort reserved for another Christmas holiday:-)

[natlala]

doesn.t show up on my tablet even after several refreshes of app manager. Been up over 24 h. BTW, no chinook repos enabled either . Any ideas?

waiting...

[svrkprabhakar]

doesn.t show up on my tablet even after several refreshes of app manager. Been up over 24 h. BTW, no chinook repos enabled either . Any ideas?

waiting...

Dont worry, do it through manual refresh in application manager. restart the NIT if you need be, change the date (all windows tricks). By the way, did I told you not to have lot of expectations out of this update, not least if you have to install whole lot of applications/restore contacts/rss feeds or dual boot menus.

[Cirne]

Just to chime in, after I installed the previous SSU on my N810, I had the reboot cycle and had to reflash. But this SSU worked just fine.

[superbondbond]

Mine (#3542 (https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3542)) is now working - but was just before the update (workaround for my issue on the bug list)

Looks like Bug 3689 (https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3689) was just confirmed by popular vote. (3 votes :rolleyes:)

I tried your workaround Jaffa, but I'm still not getting any love from Modest.

[frethop]

So...I'm feeling left out that my unit has not updated yet. Any way to FORCE it to update?

I've already played with the Application Manger pieces. No go...

[maacruz]

If using sliderotate it seems you can't update because xserver-xomap is not the right version.

[danramos]

Hmm... update appeared to install but n800 will not restart manually. I did not restart itself as I left it to do it it'self. It turns itself off near end of start process when blue bar is about 80% of way across screen and then back on again in a loop.

If I take memory cards out of n800, blue bar gets gets right across screen then it does same thing; blue light flashes three times it turns off and then restarts and goes through this process in endless loop.

Anybody any solution please?

Ditto. Mine successfully downloaded the updates, installed them.. then afterwards, it acted goofy--didn't want to show the power menu, didn't work well in general. Once I got it to reboot--it just goes into an infinite loop.

[harpgliss]

Hi,

The update worked fine here with my N800.

One issue I have is I lost about 12 mb of device memory.

Is this a normal thing with a software upgrade?

Would this just not write to the flash and not affect the size of my device memory?

Yes, I am a noob and no expert here, just looking for answers.

Thanks for your time.

David

[alephito]

I ended with the boot infinite loop. Any solution, different to reflashing?

By the way, I have only 'normal' packages installed. I don't know what could have interfere in the process.

[danramos]

I ended with the boot infinite loop. Any solution, different to reflashing?

By the way, I have only 'normal' packages installed. I don't know what could have interfere in the process.

Ditto.. I didn't have any goofy kernel level anythings installed on my N800 either.. still got all loopy on me.

Near as I can tell, there's no solution except to reflash it. I just reflashed my tablet back to 'RX-34_DIABLO_4.2008.23-14_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin' (which is the latest flashable release I could find available) and now I'm re-applying the update yet again on this clean update.. once it's FULLY up-to-date, then I'll clean up (delete the video and audio files that the OS comes with) and then finally do my backup/restore to restore all my files and settings.

I would suggest that this is probably the best solution.

[maacruz]

I ended with the boot infinite loop. Any solution, different to reflashing?

By the way, I have only 'normal' packages installed. I don't know what could have interfere in the process.

You can use flasher to set rootfs in mmc. Then you will be able to boot (unless the kernel or initfs are borked) and see what happens.
If you do not have a bootable mmc, just make an ext2 partition on a external mmc and put debian on it: http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/debianN8X0/debian-armel-n800-beta2.tar.bz2

[alephito]

Yes, danramos, I know. But it's a pity that the two SSU ended in a reflash for me, when the reflashing process was supposed to be a past thing.

[alephito]

You can use flasher to set rootfs in mmc. Then you will be able to boot (unless the kernel or initfs are borked) and see what happens.
If you do not have a bootable mmc, just make an ext2 partition on a external mmc and put debian on it: http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/debianN8X0/debian-armel-n800-beta2.tar.bz2
Thanks, but that's beyond my possibilities.

[Pushwall]

Thank god the update went smoothly on my N800. I just reflashed last weekend because of that infinite looping thing. I sure didn't want to have to reflash again so soon.

One thing I noticed on the upgrade when I opened File Manager is that it installs new feature upgrade user guides in all languages in Documents and reinstalls the OS2008 images in Images. I had originally months ago deleted all but the English documentation and moved off the images to make more space in internal memory, So I wondered why I had less internal memory after the update and this was the problem. Thankfully there was an easy solution.

[danramos]

Yes, danramos, I know. But it's a pity that the two SSU ended in a reflash for me, when the reflashing process was supposed to be a past thing.

Gotcha. Yeah.. would also be a little bit more than just nice if there was a way to get some debugging info on these upgrades (maybe a debugging log file written to the removable SD card) to report on what is specifically happening in these cases, since I'm sure Nokia can't plan for every circumstance.

One thing I noticed on the upgrade when I opened File Manager is that it installs new feature upgrade user guides in all languages in Documents and reinstalls the OS2008 images in Images. I had originally months ago deleted all but the English documentation and moved off the images to make more space in internal memory, So I wondered why I had less internal memory after the update and this was the problem. Thankfully there was an easy solution.

I don't understand why most of these media and document files are bundled in the OS. It seems to me that a bookmark to a website location to download a document would make more sense and waste a whole lot less space, leaving a lot more for the folks who didn't notice all that space being used up by an mp3, an avi and a whole bunch of PDF's--all of which contribute to problems when unknowing users run low on space.

[Un27Pee]

If using sliderotate it seems you can't update because xserver-xomap is not the right version.

yes it cannot be updated so i had to fresh reinstall and re-flash for it to work, will have to wait for a fix before updates can be done.

firmware updates went a little strange for my N810, all of a sudden update notification pop up so i check it then fired the update , i had the option for backup it started the download, installed, booted and all my apps were there no restore was needed. snappier responsive so good

[harpgliss]

Hi,


One thing I noticed on the upgrade when I opened File Manager is that it installs new feature upgrade user guides in all languages in Documents and reinstalls the OS2008 images in Images. I had originally months ago deleted all but the English documentation and moved off the images to make more space in internal memory, So I wondered why I had less internal memory after the update and this was the problem. Thankfully there was an easy solution.


Thanks for posting this.

I also had the same issue and was confused.

All is good now.

Thanks.

David

[iskarion]

Just updated my N800 and my girlfriends N800. For her device it did work without problmes. Mine did end up in a reboot loop. :-(
Pretty much the same apps installed on both devices. Also only "normal" apps from Extras repository. No low level stuff like different kernel, screen rotation or something like that.

The only difference coming to my mind is, that on my girlfriends N800 only apps from the Diablo Extras repository are installed. On my N800 I had also some apps installed like Maemo Mapper which are coming from Chinook Extras.
Maybe that's the reason for the reboot loop?

Anyway, after a reflash I was able to successfully update also my N800...

[Benson]

A couple known/suspected problem apps (at some time; not necessarily issues now, but wanted to get them out there):
Powerlaunch
Any rotation implementation
I know there were more discussed clear back when some of us got pre-Diablo SSU; I just don't remember what... Maybe we should work up a blacklist, though, since this seems to be a recurring issue.

[maacruz]

After uninstalling sliderotate the update downloaded, but failed with a message of being unable to install, and now I have the endless reboot loop. I think it happened because a lack of free space issue and the update's big file size.
Alephito: if that is beyond you, then you have to reflash.

[Cprocida]

"Hi,

After upgrading to the new version of OS2008 (new version: 4.2008.36-5), maemomapper did not work anymore.

When I put an address on "go to address", after some time a message appears: "Failed to connect to GPX directions server".

Does anyone know why this happened and what the solution to solve this problem?

Thanks,"


Only I had this issue?

Will someone help me?

Thanks.

[Picklesworth]

Hm... Make sure the update's configure script succeeds. The update didn't restart my system automatically. Some poking in the terminal told me that the package was broken. pre-installed-documentation-rx44 was not the latest version, causing dpkg to spew an error prematurely.
Again, curse that preinstalled documentation!

So I now have a broken upgrade package, which bizarrely seems to have run about half of its configure script. I'm afraid of rebooting my tablet, since this may be what has caused peoples' problems.
Will Maemo ever have repositories which do not cast shame on Debian's good name?

(And Damnit, documentation is meant to be a Recommend, not a Depend. Why do so many packagers not understand that dpkg gives them three levels of these things and it is imperetive that they understand them to not break stuff!)

[possessedskier]

So...I'm feeling left out that my unit has not updated yet. Any way to FORCE it to update?

I've already played with the Application Manger pieces. No go...

Same here. Is it because of this?:
If using sliderotate it seems you can't update because xserver-xomap is not the right version.

Is sliderotate causing the update to not even show up? If I uninstall sliderotate will the update work? That is assuming I can even see the update after uninstalling.

Ahh! I guess this answers it:
After uninstalling sliderotate the update downloaded, but failed with a message of being unable to install, and now I have the endless reboot loop. I think it happened because a lack of free space issue and the update's big file size.


I boot from SD and have plenty of free space. Do I dare try it?

[Benson]

If you boot from SD, it should be fairly easy to backup the filesystem from the SD -- do that, and then you may dare anything!

[st5150]

I don't see the update via app manager, but I do see it if I run apt-get upgrade. You guys think it's safe to upgrade via apt-get?

[prk60091]

I don't see the update via app manager, but I do see it if I run apt-get upgrade. You guys think it's safe to upgrade via apt-get?

i wouldn't based on the issues i had with the last upgrade and the bug mentioned above....

[danramos]

OK... I finished reflashing my N800 clean, it finished doing the SSU update and it didn't have any problem.. and now the backup tool is restoring everything. So far, so good! It appears to have worked fine the second time I did the SSU (mind you, there's almost nothing on it at the time). The way things are going, I expect it to be completely back to the way it was within the next half hour or so, once I finish tweaking things back to the way I like it.

[mwiktowy]

A couple known/suspected problem apps (at some time; not necessarily issues now, but wanted to get them out there):
Powerlaunch
Any rotation implementation
I know there were more discussed clear back when some of us got pre-Diablo SSU; I just don't remember what... Maybe we should work up a blacklist, though, since this seems to be a recurring issue.

I am experiencing the same reboot loops (fun) for the first time in a *long* while (first time for my N810).

I didn't have anything weird installed. A few apps from the Chinook repo but no core stuff changed. I also didn't uninstall the version metapackage or switch to the unlocked one so there should have been no strange core component updates creeping in.

One thing that I did notice was halfway though the update (after the download), the wifi connection went down. Not sure what the cause was. The update proceeded normally so I didn't worry about it. The update progress bar was about 75% complete and it just stopped and the updatable application list refreshed with a bunch of new updates available.

I waited a few minutes for something to happen (error dialog, popup asking to reboot, etc.) but nothing did.

I didn't bother trying to update those other apps yet but I did try to reconnect the wifi but no AP selection window would pop up.

I tried the power button to reboot. No popup there either which is strange since that seems to work no matter how hooped your desktop might be.

The only way I could reboot is to login as root and do a 'shutdown -r now'

Now endless reboot loops until I popped the battery out.

So when I get home, I'll try disabling the watchdogs and see if the boot proceeds normally. In the past, some of my desktop applets have been the culprit (omweather to be exact).

[fanoush]

Or wait for proper update with real patched -36 linuxrc this evening (~ 5 hours from now).
OK, get updated version from http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/initfs_flasher.tgz
394539 bytes, md5sum f548608282832c73b79d210819bacf23 (sometimes people complain they get older version so please check in case of problems)

I have tried it on my updated N810 and it seems to work :-)

[ARJWright]

Seemless updates shouldn't have these kinda issues should they?

[la3875]

:) All is well again including applications and settings. Had to clear some space on the internal memory for the update to cache which involved removing all of the foreign (to me) language user guides to make room.

Go team!

[sachin007]

OK, get updated version from http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/initfs_flasher.tgz
394539 bytes, md5sum f548608282832c73b79d210819bacf23 (sometimes people complain they get older version so please check in case of problems)

I have tried it on my updated N810 and it seems to work :-)

so when are we going to get a deb?

[codeMonkey]

I had lots of weird stuff installed and had (mostly) no problems with 2 n800s. Will be reflashing initfs etc in a little bit though.

[danramos]

Seemless updates shouldn't have these kinda issues should they?

What? You expect it to be seamless?

[wa2vla]

I did an update this morning and all seemed to go well, however when I check the "About Product" in the "Control Panel" it reports back as version 4.2008.30-2.! It appeared to do the update, created all the manuals in various languages and put new apps on the desktop. Anyone else seeing this?

[GeneralAntilles]

But do you think the hardware is so bad to perform so terrible for playing small videos? I remember owning cyrix 233 Mhz processor 8 year back and my PC used to play videos and tv nuner pretty well! I believe it has partly to do with the bad architecture, OS, software etc etc.

The issue has been explained dozens of times before. Your old Cyrix didn't have to render a 225 dpi display with an 800x480 resolution with a crappy LCD controller.

Anyway, try searching.

[VortX]

Yet another victim of reboot loop... Should have checked here before the update. I have... had Diablo with rtcomm update and lots of application from both diablo and chinook repositories on my N810 :(

[GeneralAntilles]

Well guys, you are right that it cant continuously poll and you are also right that it can't be 24 hrs. But it should happen for sure at least once immediately after the tablet connects to internet (as many number of times it connects to internet in a day)!

You really hate battery life, don't you? Polling the complete repository list isn't a trivial task (especially not for those people who insist on installing every repository they can find).

[omegaone37]

New update... I never turn the tablet off at night but do take it "offline"... so automatic update did not occur... started up App Manager and looked for new update... finally came up after about 10 minutes of just sitting about half way through the "Looking...".

Started the install... took about 5 minutes from start to finish... rebooted automatically... and the tablet appeared as it did prior to the update... all programs were there as before... all settings were as before... for all intents and purposes the tablet appeared as though no update had even happened. Checked Control Panel "About"... showed new update, so I am assuming the update did in fact take place and all is good.

One thing I did notice with the update is that the Camera app seems to have been fixed... prior to update rotating camera would NOT flip image... now it works properly!

Tablet is working just fine... no challenges what-so-ever! Thanks for the Team Effort!!!

Regards,

Omega

[ossipena]

Hi,

The update worked fine here with my N800.

One issue I have is I lost about 12 mb of device memory.



n810.avi + manuals + moby´s mp3?



i had the lack of powerbutton menu and infinite reboot loop with led flashing. luckily i've downloaded the diablo fw to my laptop so reflash was very fast (2 minutes maybe)

[lm2]

Thanks Fanoush! Now booting from SD with new version. Here's how I did it (on my n800; not sure about n810 booting from internal card), in case it helps others:

I booted from flash. Then did SSU update, which worked fine. Then I used fanoush's initfs flasher. (Follow instructions (http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21448) in this order: 4, 5, 9, 10; you do not need to enter "mv bootmenu.conf.n8x0.example bootmenu.conf" at step 5.)

Upon reboot, I had my bootmenu, and there was no option or need to run SSU while booting from SD.

I will now refrain from rotating to portrait mode until emjayes updates sliderotate (http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19447). I sure hate to get those double panes!

EDIT: Below, the smart kids say I'm confused. Even though control panel while booting from SD shows updated version, it's wrong. Read on, or come back here later after I've figured out how to update SSU while booting from SD....)

UPDATE. (http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=228881#post228881)

[codeMonkey]

Ditto, thanks fanoush! Booting from sd card perfectly.

Now just waiting for new rotation etc kernels. Almost everything else seamless. :)

[Benson]

Ditto, thanks fanoush! Booting from sd card perfectly.

Now just waiting for new rotation etc kernels. Almost everything else seamless. :)
Is the kernel new, then?

(I'm still fighting to verify my SD backup before I go nuts with the update... ;))

[sachin007]

Thanks Fanoush! Now booting from SD with new version. Here's how I did it, in case it helps others:

I booted from flash. Then did SSU update, which worked fine. Then I used fanoush's initfs flasher. (Follow instructions (http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21448) in this order: 4, 5, 9, 10; you do not need to enter "mv bootmenu.conf.n8x0.example bootmenu.conf" at step 5.)

Upon reboot, I had my bootmenu, and there was no option or need to run SSU while booting from SD.

I will now refrain from rotating to portrait mode until emjayes updates sliderotate (http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19447). I sure hate to get those double panes!

Does this apply to the n810 boot from internal memory?

[GeneralAntilles]

Is the kernel new, then?


Yes, and kernel sources are available on the Maemo 4.1.1 repository. I'm not looking forward to see how this is going to go down.

[Benson]

That sounds like the SDK repos are now caught up to the device repos... I hope so, anyway.

[GeneralAntilles]

That sounds like the SDK repos are now caught up to the device repos... I hope so, anyway.

Yes, but it also sounds like this (https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3747).

[st5150]

I don't see the update via app manager, but I do see it if I run apt-get upgrade. You guys think it's safe to upgrade via apt-get?

Very odd, I did this, it seemed to install all of the packages, but didn't flash the new kernel, so I'm still running 4.2008.30-2 with many packages updated to today's release. Anyone have suggestions for me? Very very odd.

[danramos]

Ugh.. and there's that goddam Rhapsody installer again. It's bad enough that here is no convenient uninstall in the Application Manager, you have to delve into the command line. And this time, apt-get remove rhapsody-installer doesn't get rid of it like it used to. I wish Real goes out business. The difficulty in removing their installer is obnoxious and makes me hate them even more than ever.

[GeneralAntilles]

By the way, kernel changes (http://slexy.org/view/s2kATYm53e).

[lm2]

Does this apply to the n810 boot from internal memory?

Not sure. Updated my post to reflect my use of n800.

[GeneralAntilles]

The difficulty in removing their installer is obnoxious and makes me hate them even more than ever.

rm /usr/share/applications/hildon/rhapsody.desktop

[tubby17]

Does this apply to the n810 boot from internal memory?

Thanks for asking this. I was just about to try this with my N810 booting from internal card. Needless to say, I'd be interested in knowing the answer to this too.

[fpp]

Right, the tablet typically has to be online for 24 hours straight for auto alerts to work.

There must be more factors at play here than just that one. For instance I never leave my tablets connected permanently, only on-demand (a habit left over from old 770 days :-). I had used the N800 for a while early this morning, then left it at home (I use the N810 on the go, still Chinook).
Tonight I connected it manually to my WLAN and within a few seconds had the flashing icon...

Otherwise the upgrade went swimmingly, although the tablet had seen quite a few packages installed and removed, and has a variety of nonstandard (Chinook & Diablo) repos (the N800 is my sandbox/testbed now). Apart from that it was a fairly vanilla Diablo install with no funky system mods. I just made sure it was well charged and had plenty of free memory. May be just dumb luck though...

Subjectively the results in the browser are a mixed bag. On some sites the improvement is barely perceptible if at all ; on others it is dramatic (Google mail for one, in all modes). Images definitely load faster, and flash (YouTube) is much better. I had fun watching the entire X-Space orbit launch, an historic moment.

Had to disable the contacts/Tableteer home applets, no big deal. SIP still works fine. Haven't tried Maemo Mapper yet.

Now I'm waiting for tomorrow to see if the "empty battery while doing nothing" is really gone this time :-)

[Laughing Man]

Thanks Fanoush! Now booting from SD with new version. Here's how I did it (on my n800; not sure about n810 booting from internal card), in case it helps others:

I booted from flash. Then did SSU update, which worked fine. Then I used fanoush's initfs flasher. (Follow instructions (http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21448) in this order: 4, 5, 9, 10; you do not need to enter "mv bootmenu.conf.n8x0.example bootmenu.conf" at step 5.)

Upon reboot, I had my bootmenu, and there was no option or need to run SSU while booting from SD.

I will now refrain from rotating to portrait mode until emjayes updates sliderotate (http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19447). I sure hate to get those double panes!

How would updating in flash affect the updates on a dual boot partition? It seems to me that you would have to update from flash first, then from the partition you boot from later.

[lm2]

How would updating in flash affect the updates on a dual boot partition? It seems to me that you would have to update from flash first, then from the partition you boot from later.

I don't know *how*, it just did. I updated flash, and then when I booted from the first time from SD, 4.2008.36-5 was automagically there. Nor was there any SSU update available from within app manager.

[sachin007]

I don't know *how*, it just did. I updated flash, and then when I booted from the first time from SD, 4.2008.36-5 was automagically there. Nor was there any SSU update available from within app manager.

That is inexplicable. Can some one try to explain that?

[sachin007]

I don't know *how*, it just did. I updated flash, and then when I booted from the first time from SD, 4.2008.36-5 was automagically there. Nor was there any SSU update available from within app manager.

Are your flash and sd card partitions same..... Do they have the same installed apps?

I am asking this because my flash partition is pretty basic without any installed apps where as my n810 internal memory partition has all the up to date apps and tweaks

What about you?

[GeneralAntilles]

I don't know *how*, it just did. I updated flash, and then when I booted from the first time from SD, 4.2008.36-5 was automagically there. Nor was there any SSU update available from within app manager.

Not possible. Now, it might appear that 4.2008.36-5 is installed on a separate partition since the version string isn't taken from the rootfs, but there's no way it's installed unless you're simply confused.

One likely explanation is that o-s-v is not installed on the SD partition, so that's why you're not seeing the update.

[Benson]

That is inexplicable. Can some one try to explain that?

Well, if the SD boot hasn't caught wind of the update yet, the app manager won't say it's there, and since the current version is stored in the settings MTD partition, the control panel will show the new version.

But it can't actually be updated.

[lm2]

there's no way it's installed unless you're simply confused.

So if I'm confused, then it's installed? I don't think modus ponens is your friend here....

Look, I don't understand all the other explanations you mention. All I know is that "About Product" in control panel says 4.2008.36-5 when booting from SD, and that no update is showing.

Can you tell me how to update without the update showing up in app manager? Command line? Thanks!

(I'll change original post to say that General Antilles says I'm confused.)

[maacruz]

I boot from SD and have plenty of free space. Do I dare try it?
What an ordeal :mad:
After growing tired of trying to fix it by hand I finally reflashed rootfs from my backup to the state just before updating, checked space, freed some more by uninstalling gnumeric and abiword, and tryed again with 100 MB free.
I still have got the same error message, and "apt-get -f install" again shows trouble with "tablet-browser-daemon" which has no sources because the update cuts all catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com apt sources from the /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list file
Grrrrr
I have to add them again by hand
And then this

~# apt-get -f install
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
xrandr xmodmap
Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them.
The following extra packages will be installed:
icd2 ke-recv mce tablet-browser-daemon
The following packages will be upgraded:
icd2 ke-recv mce tablet-browser-daemon
4 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 103 not upgraded.
86 not fully installed or removed.
Need to get 0B/258kB of archives.
After unpacking 4096B of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y
(Reading database ... 18355 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to replace icd2 0.50 (using .../archives/icd2_0.56_armel.deb) ...
invoke-rc.d: not a symlink: "/etc/rc2.d/S59icd2"
invoke-rc.d: dangling symlink: "/etc/rc2.d/S59icd2"
dpkg: warning - old pre-removal script returned error exit status 102
dpkg - trying script from the new package instead ...
invoke-rc.d: not a symlink: "/etc/rc2.d/S59icd2"
invoke-rc.d: dangling symlink: "/etc/rc2.d/S59icd2"
dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/icd2_0.56_armel.deb (--unpack):
subprocess new pre-removal script returned error exit status 102
invoke-rc.d: not a symlink: "/etc/rc2.d/S59icd2"
invoke-rc.d: dangling symlink: "/etc/rc2.d/S59icd2"
dpkg: error while cleaning up:
subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 102
Preparing to replace ke-recv 2.27-1 (using .../ke-recv_2.28-1_armel.deb) ...
invoke-rc.d: not a symlink: "/etc/rc2.d/S30ke-recv"
invoke-rc.d: dangling symlink: "/etc/rc2.d/S30ke-recv"
dpkg: warning - old pre-removal script returned error exit status 102
dpkg - trying script from the new package instead ...
invoke-rc.d: not a symlink: "/etc/rc2.d/S30ke-recv"
invoke-rc.d: dangling symlink: "/etc/rc2.d/S30ke-recv"
dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/ke-recv_2.28-1_armel.deb (--unpack):
subprocess new pre-removal script returned error exit status 102
invoke-rc.d: not a symlink: "/etc/rc2.d/S30ke-recv"
invoke-rc.d: dangling symlink: "/etc/rc2.d/S30ke-recv"
dpkg: error while cleaning up:
subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 102
Preparing to replace mce 1.7.19 (using .../archives/mce_1.7.20_armel.deb) ...
invoke-rc.d: not a symlink: "/etc/rc2.d/S21mce"
invoke-rc.d: dangling symlink: "/etc/rc2.d/S21mce"
dpkg: warning - old pre-removal script returned error exit status 102
dpkg - trying script from the new package instead ...
invoke-rc.d: not a symlink: "/etc/rc2.d/S21mce"
invoke-rc.d: dangling symlink: "/etc/rc2.d/S21mce"
dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/mce_1.7.20_armel.deb (--unpack):
subprocess new pre-removal script returned error exit status 102
invoke-rc.d: not a symlink: "/etc/rc2.d/S21mce"
invoke-rc.d: dangling symlink: "/etc/rc2.d/S21mce"
dpkg: error while cleaning up:
subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 102
Preparing to replace tablet-browser-daemon 0.0.11 (using .../tablet-browser-daemon_0.0.12_armel.deb) ...
invoke-rc.d: not a symlink: "/etc/rc2.d/S99tablet-browser-daemon"
invoke-rc.d: dangling symlink: "/etc/rc2.d/S99tablet-browser-daemon"
dpkg: warning - old pre-removal script returned error exit status 102
dpkg - trying script from the new package instead ...
invoke-rc.d: not a symlink: "/etc/rc2.d/S99tablet-browser-daemon"
invoke-rc.d: dangling symlink: "/etc/rc2.d/S99tablet-browser-daemon"
dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/tablet-browser-daemon_0.0.12_armel.deb (--unpack):
subprocess new pre-removal script returned error exit status 102
invoke-rc.d: not a symlink: "/etc/rc2.d/S99tablet-browser-daemon"
invoke-rc.d: dangling symlink: "/etc/rc2.d/S99tablet-browser-daemon"
dpkg: error while cleaning up:
subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 102
Errors were encountered while processing:
/var/cache/apt/archives/icd2_0.56_armel.deb
/var/cache/apt/archives/ke-recv_2.28-1_armel.deb
/var/cache/apt/archives/mce_1.7.20_armel.deb
/var/cache/apt/archives/tablet-browser-daemon_0.0.12_armel.deb
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)

Grrr, dpkg is completely braindead :mad:
Had to remove the rc links by hand
Then... guess what?

Configuration file `/etc/mce/mce.ini'
==> Modified (by you or by a script) since installation.
==> Package distributor has shipped an updated version.
What would you like to do about it ? Your options are:
Y or I : install the package maintainer's version
N or O : keep your currently-installed version
D : show the differences between the versions
Z : background this process to examine the situation
The default action is to keep your current version.
*** mce.ini (Y/I/N/O/D/Z) [default=N] ?

And the tablet hangs hard.
Pull out the battery and boot. This time it seems to boot.
"apt-get -f install" again and dpkg to finish the configuration.
Still more errors, and quite a number of things doesn't work, network included.
Another rc.d link (S51hildon-desktop) to remove by hand
And, unbelievable, since I had moved the pdf docs from /home/user/MyDocs/.documents to mmc and linked them there, it refuses to install another two packages!!! Because the user modified its own files!!!!
Finally, it doesn't find some /usr/share/pre-installed/MyDocs/.documents/* files, so it still fails
Fix that, and finally, at last, "apt-get -f install" reaches the end.
Since the switch on/off button still doesn't work, have to reboot by command-line.
And, still, after reboot, all I get is the white screen of death :(
In short, this update is a disaster.
It fails because rc.d symlinks
It fails because user files
It fails because huge size

It is too big, too complex, and too invasive.
It would be much better if it would have been released as several small updates.

[Matyas]

OK, get updated version from http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/initfs_flasher.tgz
394539 bytes, md5sum f548608282832c73b79d210819bacf23 (sometimes people complain they get older version so please check in case of problems)

I have tried it on my updated N810 and it seems to work :-)

Actually, it is quite easy to do. just follow fanoush infos available at his site. I report the relevant part. If you know what sudo gainroot means and how to fire up the terminal you will have no problem at all.

"To rebuild (and reflash) initfs jffs2 image directly on your tablet, get initfs flashing script here initfs_flasher.tgz (based on MTD utils). Extract tgz archive on your tablet (tar zxvf initfs_flasher.tgz), check README file for details (cd initfs_flasher ; more README.txt) , execute initfs_flash (./initfs_flash) in shell (osso-xterm or via ssh) and follow instructions. Use ssh only if your connection is stable. If it drops while flashing, do not reboot the device but reconnect and retry again with previously prepared initfs image as a parameter (./initfs_flash initfs.bootmenu.jffs2) or better use osso-xterm next time. "

Have fun!

[danramos]

rm /usr/share/applications/hildon/rhapsody.desktop

Thanks, man!

Why couldn't that just be in a nice easy selection for uninstall so that non-CLI people like my sister can easily uninstall it like the tutorial is?

[allnameswereout]

As far as I know it is only psychological fixes, not many 'mind blowing' or even 'significant' across all the users. :p

Development is aimed on 'N900' but these kind of reliability fixes should not be underestimated. If the browser is snappier (probably more in sync with Mozilla/Gecko development trees like the new javascript engine) then thats very welcome IMO. Think of it this way: would you rather have slower browsing speed for 6 months? I wouldn't.

Also new maemo logo in start page MicroB.

Seemless updates shouldn't have these kinda issues should they?

My update went fine; but I made very little modifications since my last reflash. 2 advices: 1) If you don't know what a modification did, learn what it does. 2) Write down your modifications (esp in case of reflash).

It might also be good for N810WME because the Xohm deal might invite more casual/normal users to the Maemo platform. Seems they added WiMAX support in this kernel.

Thanks Texrat! :D

[Benson]

Why couldn't that just be in a nice easy selection for uninstall so that non-CLI people like my sister can easily uninstall it like the tutorial is?

Because Rhapsody is about taking your money, not about leaving you alone?


Maybe someone should develop a TweakUI-ish program (and put it in extras) that helps you do the 100 most common shell and gconf tweaks...

[danramos]

Because Rhapsody is about taking your money, not about leaving you alone?


Maybe someone should develop a TweakUI-ish program (and put it in extras) that helps you do the 100 most common shell and gconf tweaks...

That.. is a GREAT idea. My biggest problem with the idea of dropping to the CLI to remove their crap is that it also assumes I can get root. I REALLY don't want to have to FIRST get my sister to set herself up to have root.. THEN also give her the rm.. and in all of this, hope that she (or any of my other non-tech friends with an N800--of which there are several) does not mess this up or inadvertently leave open any security holes in the process.

[tso]

Seemless updates shouldn't have these kinda issues should they?

well the interaction between third party apps (that may or may not bump the version of some lib or other under the hood) can have "interesting" side effects...

im guessing this is the kind of issues a certain fruit wants to avoid...

[talmage]

I'm one of the unlucky, the ones with the infinitely rebooting N800 following an update.

I also tried flashing manually using flasher 3.0 for amd64 Linux. No joy! :eek: My tablet displayed the little USB trident and flasher printed some messages but the reflash didn't take. I'm still stuck with an N800 that won't boot.

Messages below for those who care.

talmage@scarlet:~/Desktop/ITOS-2008$ sudo ./flasher-3.0.amd64 ./RX-34_DIABLO_4.2008.23-14_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R
flasher v0.8.1 (Jan 5 2007)

Suitable USB device not found, waiting
USB device found found at bus 002, device address 030
Found device RX-34, hardware revision 1302
NOLO version 1.1.16
Version of 'sw-release': <no version>

[GeneralAntilles]

Why couldn't that just be in a nice easy selection for uninstall so that non-CLI people like my sister can easily uninstall it like the tutorial is?

It's an issue in the way current updates are implemented with the packaging system. See bug #3602 (https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3602) for some background.

[Benson]

Edit: Ignore me; I hadn't realized your command wrapped. (It won't do that if you use [code] tags!) The General got it right, below.

[Jaffa]

Seemless updates shouldn't have these kinda issues should they?

Most of the issues in this thread seem to be users who have:


Changed the way the X server works (sliderotate)
Installed a new kernel or initfs
Are booting from SD card
Have installed powermenu
...


These things change the way the tablet works. Nokia aren't going to be able to test and support these things. It's up to the people who package these add-ons to find a way of safely reverting back to the previous behaviour if they find the world they're inhabiting gone wrong. Or to disable auto-update. Or to better inform their users.

[GeneralAntilles]

My tablet displayed the little USB trident and flasher printed some messages but the reflash didn't take. I'm still stuck with an N800 that won't boot.


It'd help a lot of if you used the correct flasher command.

sudo ./flasher-3.0.amd64 -F ./RX-34_DIABLO_4.2008.23-14_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R

[GeneralAntilles]

That.. is a GREAT idea. My biggest problem with the idea of dropping to the CLI to remove their crap is that it also assumes I can get root. I REALLY don't want to have to FIRST get my sister to set herself up to have root.. THEN also give her the rm.. and in all of this, hope that she (or any of my other non-tech friends with an N800--of which there are several) does not mess this up or inadvertently leave open any security holes in the process.

Alternatively, just install Rhapsody then uninstall it.

[yegaoo]

No problems so far!
The browser is really fast!

Was Flash in fullscreen (youtube) possible before? I can't remember.

Yes it did. But it was far more choppier.

[codeMonkey]

In short, this update is a disaster.
It fails because rc.d symlinks
It fails because user files
It fails because huge size

It is too big, too complex, and too invasive.
It would be much better if it would have been released as several small updates.

From the looks of it, I had most of the same issues as you on my sd-boot, but I just removed the symlinks, found the installation candidates in /var/cache/apt/archives/ apt-get -f install'ed and re-added the symlinks, and everything went smoothly and seems fine now.
Removing the symlinks and rebooting without readding them = not such a good idea since mce, tablet-browser-daemon etc are quite important.

[alephito]

Most of the issues in this thread seem to be users who have:


Changed the way the X server works (sliderotate)
Installed a new kernel or initfs
Are booting from SD card
Have installed powermenu
...


I haven't done any of them.

Maybe 5...

[Mikroft]

Flashed... then got infinite reboot :( I don't use power menu or anything that modifies the below:

Most of the issues in this thread seem to be users who have:

1. Changed the way the X server works (sliderotate)
2. Installed a new kernel or initfs
3. Are booting from SD card
4. Have installed powermenu
5. ...

Oh well.. I gave in and just reflashed the whole damn thing.. works fine now. Although microb doesn't seem amazingly faster to me.

[Benson]

Well, I've completed the SSU successfully -- I had Sliderotate, was booting from SD, and had a good chunk of SDK installed to boot. No problems; I just updated the offending packages (four I'd held back for the SDK, and xserver-xomap which was odd-versioned for xrandr) with apt-get install <packages>(and told it yes, remove the packages depending on the old versions.)
Installed the update, waited for the reboot, flashed my initfs.bootmenu.jffs2 (with flasher-3.0), rebooted to the SD, and it finished nicely. Since it wouldn't let me install until I resolved the conflicting packages, I had no option to make things fail...

Honestly, I expected worse from this thread.

[Texrat]

There must be more factors at play here than just that one. For instance I never leave my tablets connected permanently, only on-demand (a habit left over from old 770 days :-). I had used the N800 for a while early this morning, then left it at home (I use the N810 on the go, still Chinook).
Tonight I connected it manually to my WLAN and within a few seconds had the flashing icon...

I am starting to think the 24 hour window applies globally, ie, YMMV. So it possibly depends on other factors as you say, one being your timezone, most recent connect time, etc.

[Jaffa]

Right, the tablet typically has to be online for 24 hours straight for auto alerts to work.

The recurrence interval in alarmd for hildon-update-notifier is 1440 minutes (24 hours), but it doesn't appear to me (or from the behaviour I've seen) that this 24 hours needs to be spent contiguously online.

To check when the next update will fire on your device, you can paste this into a Terminal (doesn't have to be root):


perl -ne '$f |= /check_for_updates/; next unless $f; if (/name="time" type="int64">(\d+)/) { @d = localtime($1); print "Update check time: $d[1] minutes past $d[2]\n"; exit }' /var/lib/alarmd/alarm_queue.xml

[GeneralAntilles]

In short, this update is a disaster.


Worked just fine for me and many others. It sounds more like you did some unsupported stuff and are suffering the consequences now.

[maacruz]

Most of the issues in this thread seem to be users who have:


Changed the way the X server works (sliderotate)
Installed a new kernel or initfs
Are booting from SD card
Have installed powermenu
...


These things change the way the tablet works. Nokia aren't going to be able to test and support these things. It's up to the people who package these add-ons to find a way of safely reverting back to the previous behaviour if they find the world they're inhabiting gone wrong. Or to disable auto-update. Or to better inform their users.
I run linux since the mid 90's (first slackware and then suse) and never ever had issues like this.
How on earth can a package install/uninstall fail because a post install script doesn't find some file or can't perform an action like to kill an already non-running daemon? Or because a rc.d link is or isn't active? Or, still much worse, because some user owned file is or isn't somewhere?
That's plainly incredible

[Texrat]

Although microb doesn't seem amazingly faster to me.

I wouldn't use the word "amazingly" either, although I did say "snappier".

I've noticed that sites that used to frustrate me (like amazon.com) no longer do. The difference appears to be in the way images are cached-- microb is loading the bulk of the page now and then loading images, which is more useful for me. I am not sure if I'm seeing actual code change, though, or just a fluke.

Anyway, the speed improvements for me are noticeable, but not necessarily remarkable. And some of the speed-up could be mere perception IF the html elements really are loading differently.

[Matyas]

I can confirm that the new version of initfs_flasher works as advertised. This means that the SD Boot problem can be considered solved.

Good night and good luck!

[tubby17]

Are your flash and sd card partitions same..... Do they have the same installed apps?

I am asking this because my flash partition is pretty basic without any installed apps where as my n810 internal memory partition has all the up to date apps and tweaks

What about you?

This is precisely my situation. I used penguinbait's deb to clone the OS (and set up the bootmenu) almost as soon as I got my N810 and have been running from the internal card ever since. Has anyone with this configuration updated successfully, and if so, could you let us know what you did?

[Jaffa]

I run linux since the mid 90's (first slackware and then suse) and never ever had issues like this.
How on earth can a package install/uninstall fail because a post install script doesn't find some file or can't perform an action like to kill an already non-running daemon? Or because a rc.d link is or isn't active? Or, still much worse, because some user owned file is or isn't somewhere?
That's plainly incredible

If you can clearly identify such problems - ideally including why your tablet got into the state it did - then Bugzilla (http://bugs.maemo.org/) is the place to log them.

I don't doubt you - and many others - are having issues; but something is different on all your tablets. Software doesn't randomly fail.

Identifying the cause (or even the underlying symptoms of the problem) in Bugzilla will help both you, and others, in future.

A 20-page thread of wailing, gnashing of teeth and cries of "G4h, N0ki4 ate my baybeeees" isn't going to help anyone much. At best, it discourages others who've made potentially dangerous modifications from installing the update. At worst, it leaves an impression of poor quality on this release. Given it works for the silent majority, that would be unfortunate.

Now, there are some specific things we can identify with this release which are (to be charitable) poor QA. Others which are anti-social:


Reinstalls all the PDF manuals. (In /home/user/MyDocs, so it doesn't even take into account MYDOCSDIR)
Re-enables the Tableteer and Quick Contact applets, even if they were disabled.
For some reason, has a Maemo version of v4.1.1 which is... unexpected. #3747 (https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3747)
Extras repo is disabled (seems to be inconsistent). #3566 (https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3566)


There are probably others, but specificity is key.

[Texrat]

The recurrence interval in alarmd for hildon-update-notifier is 1440 minutes (24 hours), but it doesn't appear to me (or from the behaviour I've seen) that this 24 hours needs to be spent contiguously online.

My apologies-- that's how it had been communicated to me when we first began testing SSU. I see now that the explanation is overly simplistic.

And to the power users complaining about SSU failures-- have you not noticed that tablets configured within safe parameters are updating fine? That includes mine (in testing I have experienced several more SSU updates than the general public has seen). Every SSU update I've run has worked flawlessly, with the exception that early on one backup did not properly process (and we had been informed upfront that such would be the case).

As to claims of using linux for years without experiencing update problems, sorry, I'm skeptical. I'm on a linux distribution group and see problems with every single update (Redhat).

[Benson]

I run linux since the mid 90's (first slackware and then suse) and never ever had issues like this.
How on earth can a package install/uninstall fail because a post install script doesn't find some file or can't perform an action like to kill an already non-running daemon? Or because a rc.d link is or isn't active? Or, still much worse, because some user owned file is or isn't somewhere?Because the core package management system is designed to be conservative and not break things.

Unfortunately, there's a convergence of changes that leaves it prone to stalling painfully.
High-level packaging of the whole update into one; prevents an update from largely succeeding (e.g., except for the documentation), and leaving some packages cleanly left at the old version.
High-level UI that limits the ability of the administrator to respond to apparent conflicts.
Restriction to a filesystem tree in the user's home directory forces things not properly user-local into that tree.
You'll note these are mainly to make things user-friendly when they work, which, as usual, translates into user-atagonistic when something fails. When you permit unlimited third-party software, it's impossible (OK, even more impossible than normal) to avoid something occasionally failing; it's to be hoped that Nokia will reduce these issues so it can fail more gracefully, but I think the situation is somewhat understandable for the first few iterations.

[danramos]

It's an issue in the way current updates are implemented with the packaging system. See bug #3602 (https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3602) for some background.

Ugh.. I hadn't seen that one before. Thanks! I'll have to start following it now.

Alternatively, just install Rhapsody then uninstall it.

Or, alternatively, Nokia could simply make a .deb available that gives users options for removing these things (at LEAST their menu icons). Say, as Benson suggested, a kind of Tweak tool... so that you never have to have Rhapsody's poisonous crap loaded onto your tablet at all. :P heh

[lm2]

I can confirm that the new version of initfs_flasher works as advertised. This means that the SD Boot problem can be considered solved.

Good night and good luck!

It's not solved. This (http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=228526&postcount=125) problem (see "EDIT") still persists.

[GeneralAntilles]

And to the power users complaining about SSU failures-- have you not noticed that tablets configured within safe parameters are updating fine?

Heck, it seems to work fine on highly modified tablets (like mine), too. ;)

[Texrat]

Heck, it seems to work fine on highly modified tablets (like mine), too. ;)

Yeah. The point is that SSU will work fine for the typical consumer, which is where this sort of thing is targetted.

[thepenguinonthetelly]

I apologize if this has been touched on -- I ran a search and came up with nothing related to the new update.

Tried to install the update, but it's telling me that it can't because libcurl3 is missing. I went looking for it in red pill mode, but don't see it. Help please?

[maacruz]

If you can clearly identify such problems - ideally including why your tablet got into the state it did - then Bugzilla (http://bugs.maemo.org/) is the place to log them.

I don't doubt you - and many others - are having issues; but something is different on all your tablets. Software doesn't randomly fail.

Identifying the cause (or even the underlying symptoms of the problem) in Bugzilla will help both you, and others, in future.


Oh yes, and I do report bugs. Routinely.
And this one will make a really big one :D
And, as I already hinted, there is a big problem with dpkg and uninstall scripts. The install/uninstall success depends on the script being able to shut down a daemon, which may already be shut down by the user, or a link in rc2.d, which depends again in the user wanting to run or not a service.
That's not robust.


A 20-page thread of wailing, gnashing of teeth and cries of "G4h, N0ki4 ate my baybeeees" isn't going to help anyone much. At best, it discourages others who've made potentially dangerous modifications from installing the update. At worst, it leaves an impression of poor quality on this release. Given it works for the silent majority, that would be unfortunate.

I think there are some QA issues, unfortunately.
It is not that the individual patches are bad quality, on contrary, they are incremental and very good in general. The problem is the huge ms-style update package. By being such, is much more difficult to deal with the single issues, and stacks one failure over another, and so the end result is a bricked tablet. If this updated would have been divided in 5 or more updates, lets say for example, kernel+initfs, browser, desktop, apt, ..., if an update fails it won't bring down the entire system, at least so easily.
For example, having removed the manual doc files in the user home directory to mmc, and replaced the doc directory with a symlink to the actual directory in mmc, will make the whole update fail in the middle; since apt has also been updated and still hasn't been configured, all tableteer repos are lost, and so apt-get won't be able to find the files it needs to finish the installation, and so the system can't finish it configuration. Device bricked upon reboot.

Now, there are some specific things we can identify with this release which are (to be charitable) poor QA. Others which are anti-social:


Reinstalls all the PDF manuals. (In /home/user/MyDocs, so it doesn't even take into account MYDOCSDIR)
Re-enables the Tableteer and Quick Contact applets, even if they were disabled.
For some reason, has a Maemo version of v4.1.1 which is... unexpected. #3747 (https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3747)
Extras repo is disabled (seems to be inconsistent). #3566 (https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3566)


There are probably others, but specificity is key.
Agreed.

[gammer]

I wouldn't use the word "amazingly" either, although I did say "snappier".
...
The difference appears to be in the way images are cached-- microb is loading the bulk of the page now and then loading images, which is more useful for me.
...

I have the very same impression.

[BrentDC]

I seem in the minority here, but I updated two OS partitions without issue. I had done every single dangerous thing that could prevent updating, as listed by Jaffa, and still no problems whatsoever.

I also reinstalled my Bootmenu with the lasted version posted in this thread; A+ as always, Fanoush! ;)

[talmage]

It'd help a lot of if you used the correct flasher command.

sudo ./flasher-3.0.amd64 -F ./RX-34_DIABLO_4.2008.23-14_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R

Dang! OK. I failed copy-and-paste class. Thanks for saving me from myself!

Flash and upgrade worked without any further drama.

[daperl]

For the future, there's probably some things that multi-booters should change for their SD OS's. Some examples are installing sysklogd and uncommenting the following line in /etc/dpkg/dpkg.conf:

#log /var/log/dpkg.log

Stuff like that.

Who knows, maybe there would be some good info in those logs.

[AstroGuy]

I don't know if I should ask here, but after the update I can no longer get adblock to work.

I disabled the component in the browser then restarted and adblock disappeared from the installed components list. So I used the app manager and uninstalled adblock and reinstalled and also rebooted. Still not working but does show up in the installed components list and is listed as enabled. Any hints?

[Mikroft]

Hmm I'll test it some more to see.. I only tried loading gmail and facebook. I guess ajax is just slow regardless. :D

I have the very same impression.

[st5150]

Is there a way for me to re-install this update? Nothing is showing up in app manager or with apt-get.

[lm2]

For those of you now booting successfully from updated SD: did you install ssu from flash, and then again from SD (after installing bootmenu)? Did you encounter any snags along the way?

I have updated flash, and am now booting from SD, but SD is not yet updated and app manager only shows me update when looking at installable apps in red pill. There it gives me four options (two "unlocked") but none install.

Guidance appreciated.

[Benson]

I've only updated SD; IIRC, my flash (was an old Diablo, before the first SSU) isn't even bootable at the moment, but I run from several SD boot images, so it didn't bother me...

[Texrat]

I guess ajax is just slow regardless. :D

http://my.yahoo.com/

Enough said.

[vinc17]

Ditto. Mine successfully downloaded the updates, installed them.. then afterwards, it acted goofy--didn't want to show the power menu, didn't work well in general. Once I got it to reboot--it just goes into an infinite loop.
Same problem. I couldn't switch off with the power button (the full-screen button no longer worked either). I'll have to reflash... :(

[TrueJournals]

Hmmm... I'm having a strange problem that hasn't been discussed here yet... I boot from a SD card, and without thinking I updated the SD card first. Only, it didn't prompt me to reboot at the end. I then rebooted into flash, with the same result: updated, but it didn't ask me to reboot. Rebooting again, into SD, shows the old version number: 4.2008.30-2. Any ideas?

[st5150]

Hmmm... I'm having a strange problem that hasn't been discussed here yet... I boot from a SD card, and without thinking I updated the SD card first. Only, it didn't prompt me to reboot at the end. I then rebooted into flash, with the same result: updated, but it didn't ask me to reboot. Rebooting again, into SD, shows the old version number: 4.2008.30-2. Any ideas?

I think I'm in the same boat..... app manager and apt-get upgrade no longer show any upgrades, but the version number is still 4.2008.30-2 correct?

[TrueJournals]

app manager showed deblet-installer, which I know about and just haven't upgraded..., and apt-get upgrade showed:
Nokia-N800-23-14:~# apt-get upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
The following packages have been kept back:
libdb4.2 libglade2-0 libxml2
The following packages will be upgraded:
deblet-installer python2.5 python2.5-gobject python2.5-imaging
4 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded.
2 not fully installed or removed.
Need to get 2751kB of archives.
After unpacking 4096B of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue [Y/n]?

However, apt-get -f install showed something interesting:
Nokia-N800-23-14:~# apt-get -f install
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
scummvm
Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them.
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 7 not upgraded.
2 not fully installed or removed.
Need to get 0B of archives.
After unpacking 0B of additional disk space will be used.
Setting up pre-installed-documentation-rx34 (5.4) ...
mv: cannot rename '/usr/share/pre-installed/MyDocs/.documents/*': No such file or directory
dpkg: error processing pre-installed-documentation-rx34 (--configure):
subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of osso-software-version-rx34:
osso-software-version-rx34 depends on pre-installed-documentation-rx34 (= 5.4); however:
Package pre-installed-documentation-rx34 is not configured yet.
dpkg: error processing osso-software-version-rx34 (--configure):
dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
Errors were encountered while processing:
pre-installed-documentation-rx34
osso-software-version-rx34
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
Nokia-N800-23-14:~#

[vinc17]

I didn't have anything weird installed.
I don't think I had anything weird installed either on my N810.

One thing that I did notice was halfway though the update (after the download), the wifi connection went down. Not sure what the cause was. The update proceeded normally so I didn't worry about it. The update progress bar was about 75% complete and it just stopped and the updatable application list refreshed with a bunch of new updates available.

I waited a few minutes for something to happen (error dialog, popup asking to reboot, etc.) but nothing did.

I didn't bother trying to update those other apps yet but I did try to reconnect the wifi but no AP selection window would pop up.

I tried the power button to reboot. No popup there either which is strange since that seems to work no matter how hooped your desktop might be.
I had the same problems.

Most of the issues in this thread seem to be users who have:


Changed the way the X server works (sliderotate)
Installed a new kernel or initfs
Are booting from SD card
Have installed powermenu
...

I didn't do anything from 1-4.

These things change the way the tablet works. Nokia aren't going to be able to test and support these things. It's up to the people who package these add-ons to find a way of safely reverting back to the previous behaviour if they find the world they're inhabiting gone wrong. Or to disable auto-update. Or to better inform their users.
It would be better to have some kind of failsafe or single-user mode like on standard Linux machines, so that the user can try to fix things without needing a reflash.

[TrueJournals]

OK, I'm making some headway on my problem. I ran these two commands:
mkdir -p /usr/share/pre-installed/MyDocs/.documents/
echo "..." > /usr/share/pre-installed/MyDocs/.documents/test.txt
And now I'm getting some chown errors... I'll try deleting the files and see if that fixes anything.

[st5150]

app manager showed deblet-installer, which I know about and just haven't upgraded..., and apt-get upgrade showed:
Nokia-N800-23-14:~# apt-get upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
The following packages have been kept back:
libdb4.2 libglade2-0 libxml2
The following packages will be upgraded:
deblet-installer python2.5 python2.5-gobject python2.5-imaging
4 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded.
2 not fully installed or removed.
Need to get 2751kB of archives.
After unpacking 4096B of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue [Y/n]?

However, apt-get -f install showed something interesting:
Nokia-N800-23-14:~# apt-get -f install
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
scummvm
Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them.
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 7 not upgraded.
2 not fully installed or removed.
Need to get 0B of archives.
After unpacking 0B of additional disk space will be used.
Setting up pre-installed-documentation-rx34 (5.4) ...
mv: cannot rename '/usr/share/pre-installed/MyDocs/.documents/*': No such file or directory
dpkg: error processing pre-installed-documentation-rx34 (--configure):
subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of osso-software-version-rx34:
osso-software-version-rx34 depends on pre-installed-documentation-rx34 (= 5.4); however:
Package pre-installed-documentation-rx34 is not configured yet.
dpkg: error processing osso-software-version-rx34 (--configure):
dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
Errors were encountered while processing:
pre-installed-documentation-rx34
osso-software-version-rx34
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
Nokia-N800-23-14:~#


Okay, we're in different boats.....

apt-get upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
The following packages have been kept back:
avahi-daemon canola2
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded.



apt-get -f install
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded.

[BrentDC]

For those of you now booting successfully from updated SD: did you install ssu from flash, and then again from SD (after installing bootmenu)? Did you encounter any snags along the way?

I installed to mmc2 first (to see if I could install it just there and still boot into it, which you can't), then I installed it to Flash, then reinstalled Bootmenu, and viola! It works.

[bizshop]

I and several other users report WIFI problems after SSU upgrade. here is thread:
http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23920

[TrueJournals]

Just documenting my progress here for those in a similar situation. I rebooted into flash and fscked the SD card partition, and just hit y to all the prompts. Rebooted into SD, and tried apt-get -f install again. It gave me the pre-installed error again, so I ran my two lines from above, and it gave me one of the file errors. I removed the directory that file was in, ran the two commands above, and ran apt-get -f install AGAIN, and it went off without an error. Checking in About Product still shows the old version number, rebooted and I have the new version number! So, I think I'm all set now...

[BoxOfSnoo]

I don't know if I should ask here, but after the update I can no longer get adblock to work.

I disabled the component in the browser then restarted and adblock disappeared from the installed components list. So I used the app manager and uninstalled adblock and reinstalled and also rebooted. Still not working but does show up in the installed components list and is listed as enabled. Any hints?

This isn't the hint you're looking for, but try Privoxy instead. I find it much more lightweight.

[GeneralAntilles]

This isn't the hint you're looking for, but try Privoxy instead. I find it much more lightweight.

Event better, ad blocking hosts (http://everythingisnt.com/hosts.html) and CSS (http://www.floppymoose.com/).

[dfinch]

Well I get the endless reboot. So I went to reflash but since I used my original Nokia cable on my mini keyboard I tried the DealExtreme 'copy'. The upgrade wizard and Windows says it doesn't recognise it. So I guess that's it!
What is special in the Nokia cable that is missing from the DX copy? Anyone have a clue?

[Burnin TODI]

This update went seamless for my N810...It also fixed the email app (modest?) I now get led flash with new emails :)

[douwen]

It broke my boot menu.... is your one still working??

Cheers!

me too!:o, i have to re-clone my system to my Internal MMC

[GeneralAntilles]

me too!:o, i have to re-clone my system to my Internal MMC

Uh, your system is still there. You don't have to clone anything. Just reflash fanoush's initfs.

[Laughing Man]

Hmm my n800 doesn't even detect the update (even with a forced refresh).

[GeneralAntilles]

Hmm my n800 doesn't even detect the update (even with a forced refresh).

Did you remove osso-software-version? . . .

[ARJWright]

Most of the issues in this thread seem to be users who have:


Changed the way the X server works (sliderotate)
Installed a new kernel or initfs
Are booting from SD card
Have installed powermenu
...


These things change the way the tablet works. Nokia aren't going to be able to test and support these things. It's up to the people who package these add-ons to find a way of safely reverting back to the previous behaviour if they find the world they're inhabiting gone wrong. Or to disable auto-update. Or to better inform their users.

I agree.
Personally, no issues on my update (mid-evening EST). But its just interesting that so many have had an issue. One cannot account for all variances, and that's just the stake. You get the factory fresh and the first (or second if you have the time) standard devations to work and the rest get worked on along the way.

That's what, 2 months between SSU updates? Think I might be able to set my calendar by this ;) ?

[Thesandlord]

Obviously, there is a disproportionate amount of failure here. For most people, if it works, its works. If it causes a major malfunction, ask for help.

Somehow I could not find the SSU, but I needed to reflash anyway, so I did. Is rotation being worked on for the new kernel, or does it already work?

[Benson]

The patch should already work, but AFAIK noone's built the new kernel with the rotation patch.

[XTC]

I've got infinite reboot loop after first restart.
Had to flash device and then install first then second ssu update.
I admit faster browser - zooming on most pages is almost 'realtime'... maybe not that fast but without to unnecessary delay.

[douwen]

Uh, your system is still there. You don't have to clone anything. Just reflash fanoush's initfs.

thanks a lot , you know, i am not so familiar with the procedure to reflashing initfs, could you give me a clue how to do that?
then i dont need to the stupid re-cloning work when the next upgrading come? thanks

[parejkoj]

Just for reference, everything worked fine on this n800. I did turn on dpkg logging just in case, and I'll leave it for all future upgrades. We'll see if any other bugs are fixed.

[Mara]

I also encountered the endless reboot loop... :(

Previous SSU's did work without a glitch, but this time it didn't. I don't think I have anything "strange" installed on my tablet. Certainly nothing on the "list of 5" things mentioned earlier in this thread.

I'm right now traveling and didn't take the USB cable with me. Luckily the hotel I'm staying have miscellaneous chargers and cables, and they happened to have the Nokia Micro-USB cable... so I was able to reflash using my work laptop. After reflashing the SSU updates worked fine.

To think something positive... I was planning to do a fresh flash anyway to get a clean (no restore backup) install. Now I got a good excuse to do it... :rolleyes:

[thecubed]

Quick question: can someone take a video of the new browser in action on a site like slashdot.org and put it on youtube or something? My straight 2008 OS n800 won't even scroll properly in some sites like slashdot and engadget, it just uses 100% cpu doing nothing.

Just wondering if it's worth it to nuke my n800 and put diablo+this update on it over the weekend.

Thanks much!

[speculatrix]

Hm... Make sure the update's configure script succeeds. The update didn't restart my system automatically. Some poking in the terminal told me that the package was broken. pre-installed-documentation-rx44 was not the latest version, causing dpkg to spew an error prematurely.
Again, curse that preinstalled documentation!


I had that problem too, but before then, I had to get the update to work at all, which broke in exactly the same way as the previous update. Also, my n800 ran noticeably more slowly after that update, which was very disappointing.

My n800 installed the update but failed to update the product code (just as it did last big update). I checked my sources.list, as before, and found that the update repo was incorrect, changed it manually and did an apt-get update/upgrade/dist-upgrade.

My /etc/apt/sources/list.d/hildon-application-manager.list looks like this:
deb http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/certified/ diablo user
deb http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/certified/ diablo user
deb http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/non-certified/ diablo user
deb http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/non-certified/ diablo user
deb http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/diablo/ ./
deb http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/diablo-1/ ./
deb http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/diablo-2/ ./

Then, because I'd deleted stuff out of MyDocs, and put links there to the internal mmc card, the document package didn't work, I had to remove the links and re-create the dirs and put some dummy files in. Finally, the packages installed and dpkg-reconfigure worked, and I was upgraded.

[anders_gud]

No issues here - updated sd, rebooted, updated flash, rebooted and ran initfs-flasher with the bootmenu.conf backup... Totally seamless :)

[fpp]

I have the very same impression.

It's not an impression, rendering is definitely different, though not improved for all kinds of pages.

On the webmail I use at work for example (Horde/IMP variant), the somewhat HTML-heavy Inbox page used to load slowly but progressively, with visible activity on screen and the progress bar.

Now it "loads" an almost empty page immediately, and stays there for a long time (probably same as before), but with nothing visible happening whatsoever. The first couple of times I thought it was hanged and reloaded. But if I just wait, after a while the entire page just appears all at once.

[vinc17]

I reflashed, but I now get 2 Web icons and an Applications icon. Since I had no use of it, I removed the Contacts icon in the past, using the Control panel, and it seems that the new OS version doesn't like that.

Edit: This was just due to the fact that Personal Menu wasn't installed yet.

[Bundyo]

@thecubed: The actual problem is that Slashdot got too darn heavy these days. It loads 720KB page (600KB from the browser cache) for 21 seconds on a normal Pentium 4 / 2GHz. But that's not all - then some javascript runs for +30 seconds on the same machine. If you just leave your tablet and cancel the js warnings it will load at the end and will be easily browsable. Even Webkit chokes on Slashdot (though is faster than MicroB) - check my Tear browser if you want to see for yourself.

[astuermer]

This update went seamless for my N810...It also fixed the email app (modest?) I now get led flash with new emails :)

Really? For me not.
Do you use POP3 or IMAP ?
For POP3 it works for me... for IMAP not.

[polossatik]

just done the upgrade, even left the tablet hooked to the mains charger...
reboot , all fine except from some standard applets re-enabled but that not a issue.

[gemniii42]

Well I get the endless reboot. So I went to reflash but since I used my original Nokia cable on my mini keyboard I tried the DealExtreme 'copy'. The upgrade wizard and Windows says it doesn't recognise it. So I guess that's it!
What is special in the Nokia cable that is missing from the DX copy? Anyone have a clue?
Bought 3 DX cables, only two work.

[EIPI]

I skeptically updated last night, and voila, i am now running 2008.36-5 on my N800. Update went without any issue. My only annoyance so far is that the RSS feed applet still doesn't update as it did under Chinook. Browser speed increase? Not sure I see what others, including Texrat have reported - my GMail still loads the AJAX site in about 30 seconds - no different than before.

[davidsco27]

Any noticable updates to Modest?

Especially the non-working AUTO-UPDATE-INBOX function... ;-)

Nope, mine still randomly silently crashes and I have to reboot the device to open the program and check my mail. I just LOVE that! The main reason I bought this unit is to keep tabs on my e-mail. It worked pre-diablo flawlessly, and now, even after two useless updates later doesn't. Oh yea, I keep forgetting, we're talking about software developers (oops, EXCUSE ME, "engineers") here. Perhaps by Christmas, 2010

[Peet]

It would be interesting to have a site poll under this subject regarding the success or failure rate of this (or any) software update.

If the poll software used by ITT would allow followup questions on what potential "unofficial troublemakers" (e.g. the usual clonings and bootmanagers etc. plus a few apps like Mapper and OMweather with some history of issues) have been installed, it might help the Maemo and Nokia folks figure out if something could be done to make the "Seamless" Software Updates smoother yet.

Also, wouldn't it be practical to expose these large "SSU" bundles to the larger non-Nokia developer community at least a few days prior to their official release? That way some third party packages could be also updated for compatibility with the "SSU"?

Personally I find cloning to SD and using boot menu to be extremely useful and productive third party enhancements, but I'm resigned to having to give up the "Seamlessness" in Software Updates in order to be able to enjoy that (booting and speed) flexibility. Yet this now common SSU procedure could be a little less worrysome.

[tso]

just for the record, i had omweather installed, and i had no issues with the update...

[sjgadsby]

...I have to reboot the device to open the program and check my mail.

If you haven't already, you might try opening X Terminal and entering "killall modest" instead of rebooting.

[attila77]

Hm... Make sure the update's configure script succeeds. The update didn't restart my system automatically. Some poking in the terminal told me that the package was broken. pre-installed-documentation-rx44 was not the latest version, causing dpkg to spew an error prematurely.
Again, curse that preinstalled documentation!


I got this one, too. It won't reboot on it's own. Apparently this breakage pretty early on so your (dual/SD booting) initfs is still there, so you should be able boot your other maemo/Debian/whatever. You DO have dual boot, right ? :) I'll check later if this is salvageable or if it's simpler just to reflash/restore.

[deeteroderdas]

I got the notification in Application Mangler about the new upgrade yesterday. When I clicked it to start the upgrade, I got an error saying it couldn't continue because libsofia-sip-ua-0osso5 was needed. I was already in red-pill, so I checked installed packages and it was in fact installed. However, I thought, I'll just reinstall it. I exited Mangler, dropped to a terminal and became root. Then I did an 'apt-get install libsofia-sip-ua'. apt-get came back with a huge list of files to be upgraded. It was, in fact, the same files that were part of the OS2008 update. Cool. I let it upgrade. After all was said and done, all of those files updated my N800. However, every time I go into Application Mangler it still says I need to update OS2008, but it won't let me. Control Panel -> About product says I'm still at 4.2008.30-2, so I guess the upgrade isn't there, yet.

Must be time to reflash....again.

[sjgadsby]

Also, wouldn't it be practical to expose these large "SSU" bundles to the larger non-Nokia developer community at least a few days prior to their official release? That way some third party packages could be also updated for compatibility with the "SSU"

That might help, but then, every time Nokia has released an item for early testing, there's a surprisingly large outcry in these fora from people who can't believe Nokia would release beta quality software with bugs in.

I blame Google humanity.

[Peet]

That might help, but then, every time Nokia has released an item for early testing, there's a surprisingly large outcry in these fora from people who can't believe Nokia would release beta quality software with bugs in.

Do you (and Texrat) reckon that the above-mentioned "disadvantage" outweighs the potential advantages?

[grayum]

This has to be the least seamless update I've done yet on my N800. Failed update, reboot loop, battery out, reflash, two further updates, reinstall packages.

Not good.

[cecil]

Couple of data points on my N800 install yesterday. Hope it's useful because this is my first experience with either Chinook or Diablo, it was as vanilla as possible and might help explain the 24 hour theory on SSUs.

Yesterday I finally decided to flash to Diablo. I had been waiting for a downloadable update from 23-14. When that didn't come, I decided to go for it anyway. Started about noon.

First attempt interrupted a couple of seconds in and got into an infinite boot loop. I panicked but pulled the battery and was able to go back into the flashing boot state. Next attempt worked fine.

First thing I did was update the catalogs. It immediately found 30-2, which I accepted. Checked a few things and went about reinstalling apps. All normal repositories -- no Chinook.

Everything installed fine, except I couldn't update Python nor install Canola. Camera automatically fired off internet chat and rotated properly.

About 15 minutes in, I got the flashing I telling me another update was available. I had no idea that it existed. Went to 36-5. That went OK except it didn't auto start after the reboot shutdown. Had to hit the power button myself.

Still fine. Then I installed Maemo Mapper from Chinook Extras. No problem.

I still can't update Python nor install Canola. Maemo Mapper was working fine but it locked up on me once and I had to pull the battery.

In limited testing the only thing 36-5 appears to have broken is Camera. It works, but popping it out no longer starts internet chat and it doesn't auto-rotate anymore. The camera thing is weird because others in this thread have said it fixed theirs. Hope the next SSU fixes it for me.

[Texrat]

Do you (and Texrat) reckon that the above-mentioned "disadvantage" outweighs the potential advantages?

It seems to have so far.

Some people want early releases, but then they want to flame Nokia over issues with those releases rather than contribute productively toward resolutions. Damned if we do, damned if we don't. You don't want any more of my opinion on that subject.

[heavyt]

No problems with this latest upgrade. Had problems with the first SSU when it was released.
N800

[possessedskier]

I did an update this morning and all seemed to go well, however when I check the "About Product" in the "Control Panel" it reports back as version 4.2008.30-2.! It appeared to do the update, created all the manuals in various languages and put new apps on the desktop. Anyone else seeing this?

I boot from SD and the update never showed up in my Application Manager. I did an app-get upgrade as root and the upgrade appeared to run ok, but I had to reboot manually. The dual boot menu was still there, so I booted back into SD. The version was still showing 4.2008.30-2 but, as wa2vla described, all the other changes were there. I then booted to flash memory and did the upgrade there (which was showing in the app manager). It rebooted to flash and the version was the new one. I reflashed fanoush's new initfs and booted to SD. Now the SD version was updated to 4.2008.36-5.

So I assume the SD is really running the new version???
Why didn't it update the SD version # until after I upgraded the flash version?
Why didn't the upgrade ever show up in the Application Manager when booted to SD?

[allnameswereout]

Yeah. The point is that SSU will work fine for the typical consumer, which is where this sort of thing is targetted.

Please, keep this in mind when you're going to (heavily) modify your tablet. You install unofficial software not supported by Nokia. This is even mentioned in the disclaimer.

And my tablet is hardly modified (right now after freshflash :D).

But I have a problem in MicroB. I wanted to see what Gecko version the new MicroB has (answer: 20080828) and went to http://mybrowserinfo.com and then I wanted to select the browser string by selecting it with stylus. Doesn't work. I can't seem to select text. Ctrl+A does work though, but then it selects all text.

[Linear2202]

Had no problems with the update, nothing special done to my tablet though. Still getting browser unsupported messages which is disappointing.

[allnameswereout]

That might help, but then, every time Nokia has released an item for early testing, there's a surprisingly large outcry in these fora from people who can't believe Nokia would release beta quality software with bugs in.

I blame Google humanity.

And people who provide a package like sliderotate have to be encouraged to state the disadvantages in relation to SSU, and provide an easy way to fix the problem. Last SSU we also saw in threads people with the very same issue... why now again? Something is wrong in the communication process!

[allnameswereout]

Had no problems with the update, nothing special done to my tablet though. Still getting browser unsupported messages which is disappointing.

Where do you get browser unsupported messages?

[attila77]

Some poking in the terminal told me that the package was broken. pre-installed-documentation-rx44 was not the latest version, causing dpkg to spew an error prematurely.
Again, curse that preinstalled documentation!


Okay, results of a quick look - the official repos seem to have evaporated from my sources.list. Putting them back by hand (nothing to loose by now) does not solve the issue as even though it DOES find the proper pre-installed-documentation-rx44 version in the repo if you try to apt-get it, it fails with a 401 error. I probably managed to mess up my sources (I do have a fair amount of custom repos) but it's still pretty uncommon for the apt-get update to succeed in finding a package and then and the install not to be able do download the package in question because of a 401... (unauthorized access)

[tso]

In limited testing the only thing 36-5 appears to have broken is Camera. It works, but popping it out no longer starts internet chat and it doesn't auto-rotate anymore.

works for me, the freakin thing even makes the im system attempt to log on to check what contacts are online...

and this even as i can no longer log on to msn using it...

hrmf, seems that my msn issue is unrelated to the latest SSU, its more a issue of one to many libpurple versions floating around, some with very weird dependencies...

[Howie_it]

Had problem last time and the camera was broken.
Updated last night everything went smoothly even the camera is working correctly now.:)

[lm2]

So I assume the SD is really running the new version???
Why didn't it update the SD version # until after I upgraded the flash version?
Why didn't the upgrade ever show up in the Application Manager when booted to SD?

I have a similar problem, although I have no idea where to go from here. The ssu showed in flash, and I updated that first. Then when booting from SD, control panel showed new version. But everyone here said that I didn't *really* have new version, and had to update SD too. But no ssu update is showing in SD. And "apt-get upgrade" and "apt-get update" seem to do nothing.

I reflashed device with older diablo, and replaced SD image with image from last week. And still no ssu in SD.

Is there a way to install current ssu from command line????

Thanks.

UPDATE (http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=228881&postcount=251)

[Karel Jansens]

Let me try again, one last time: Has anyone tried this upgrade from a NIT with firmware version 4.2008.23-14? By that I mean: Tried to apply the latest upgrade without first going through the previous one (in my case because that upgrade never got installed and refuses to re-install). Interestingly, upgrade v4.2008.36-5 does show up in the update section of my Application Mangler, although I don' seem to get the exclamation mark.

I do NOT want to flash.

[sachin007]

will this work for N810 internal memory boot;

1. update internal memory
2. update flash
3. install boot menu deb.

After this can i boot with updated os from internal memory?

[tso]

Let me try again, one last time: Has anyone tried this upgrade from a NIT with firmware version 4.2008.23-14? By that I mean: Tried to apply the latest upgrade without first going through the previous one (in my case because that upgrade never got installed and refuses to re-install). Interestingly, upgrade v4.2008.36-5 does show up in the update section of my Application Mangler, although I don' seem to get the exclamation mark.

I do NOT want to flash.

my guess, just about everyone that didnt get a proper update the last time ended up going with a reflash, so your on your own...

[Peet]

Some people want early releases, but then they want to flame Nokia over issues with those releases rather than contribute productively toward resolutions. Damned if we do, damned if we don't. You don't want any more of my opinion on that subject.

Frankly I haven't seen much flaming here and even then, some moaning is inevitable where human beings and some inconvenience are concerned.

In any case I was merely suggesting a way of potentially reducing the inconvenience (of a failed update) that leads to the dreaded flaming and moaning.

Why would anyone have a problem with the SSU being first available via development repos? Maemo (Nokia) might even gain some valuable and informative feedback from that crowd before unleashing the update upon the ordinary users.

[Karel Jansens]

my guess, just about everyone that didnt get a proper update the last time ended up going with a reflash, so your on your own...
I figured as much. Nevermind, it's not as if I really need that update anyway.