N900 tethered as *Bluetooth* modem - full solution?

[Alan_Peery]

Now that there is a 3G enabled device, I am hoping that I can use this 3G device as a way for my work laptop to connect to the Internet. Specifically

1) N900 connects to mobile provider
2) N900 traffic goes direct to mobile provider
3) Laptop connects to N900 via Bluetooth (I am thinking that Bluetooth will chew up less battery than WiFi)
4) Laptop gets NAT connection to Internet via 3G
5) N900 and laptop keep TCP connectivity simultaneously (so I can stream music via the N900, but still stay connected to my work email and IM system)
6) Ideally extend this to N laptops, simultaneously with other Bluetooth devices connecting to the N900
7) As a bit of fun, widget on the N900 screen showing how 3G bandwidth has been used. A stacked strip chart with a different color per using device

How much of this do we have right now as installable packages?
How much just needs a bit of packaging work?
How much would need development, and would it be worthwhile?

[zerojay]

Now that there is a 3G enabled device, I am hoping that I can use this 3G device as a way for my work laptop to connect to the Internet. Specifically

1) N900 connects to mobile provider
2) N900 traffic goes direct to mobile provider
3) Laptop connects to N900 via Bluetooth (I am thinking that Bluetooth will chew up less battery than WiFi)
4) Laptop gets NAT connection to Internet via 3G
5) N900 and laptop keep TCP connectivity simultaneously (so I can stream music via the N900, but still stay connected to my work email and IM system)
6) Ideally extend this to N laptops, simultaneously with other Bluetooth devices connecting to the N900
7) As a bit of fun, widget on the N900 screen showing how 3G bandwidth has been used. A stacked strip chart with a different color per using device

How much of this do we have right now as installable packages?
How much just needs a bit of packaging work?
How much would need development, and would it be worthwhile?

I'm not 100% sure, but I think the N900 already supports all of that except for maybe #7.

[sjgadsby]

...I am hoping that I can use this 3G device as a way for my work laptop to connect to the Internet.

The spec sheets released thus far for the N900 show it as supporting a number of Bluetooth profiles, but not DUN or PAN. Therefore, the N900 may not support tethering out of the box. If that's the case, I'm sure someone in the community will work on adding it, but that will take an as yet unknown amount of time.

[EIPI]

I'm not 100% sure, but I think the N900 already supports all of that except for maybe #7.

Fremantle has some sort of data counter for 3G - bug 2819 (https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2819) shows that at least. So, there is some hope that it can be put on a widget, and perhaps customizable.

[mikkov]

Points 1-6 is exactly what Bluetooth PAN is for.

[Dr Tran]

Is the N900 still able to tether off a phone for a connection?

[racky]

It is already a phone, why you need to tether to another phone?

[daveb70]

It is already a phone, why you need to tether to another phone?

I can only speculate using a phone with a 3G connection to the regional carrier where the N900 can't get one or when it has no SIM/cellular plan of its own. Seemingly redundant but considering the N900 offers more internet functionality and some buyers may not care to change carriers/can't get out of contract, this is an awkward but very real scenario.

[m_sparks]

I can only speculate using a phone with a 3G connection to the regional carrier where the N900 can't get one or when it has no SIM/cellular plan of its own. Seemingly redundant but considering the N900 offers more internet functionality and some buyers may not care to change carriers/can't get out of contract, this is an awkward but very real scenario.

Yes- this would be my exact situation. I do not plan to "jump ship" from my CDMA carrier, Verizon, due to Tmobile coverage issues.I'm also getting a vary reasonable voice and data plan with Verizon.
So I may just be tethering a phone to a "phone" :rolleyes:!
But in reality, i'm doing that right now with my n810 and current Verizon phone, so not a big deal.

convergence would be nice, but not at the cost of coverage.

:cool:

[qgil]

The spec sheets released thus far for the N900 show it as supporting a number of Bluetooth profiles, but not DUN or PAN. Therefore, the N900 may not support tethering out of the box. If that's the case, I'm sure someone in the community will work on adding it, but that will take an as yet unknown amount of time.

Actually Johan Hedberg, our BlueZ developer, is planning to start a wiki page providing the information needed to handle the unsupported BT profiles in Maemo 5. He is busy with the final release but the info will be there in time.

For what it says it shouldn't be complicated.

[mrojas]

It worries me that things like tethering, that "shouldn't be complicated" are not out of the box for the N900... I guess the schedule for developing was too demanding and cuts had to be done.

In any case, since many users will want this, the software patch for it should be well promoted.

[X-Fade]

It worries me that things like tethering, that "shouldn't be complicated" are not out of the box for the N900... I guess the schedule for developing was too demanding and cuts had to be done.

In any case, since many users will want this, the software patch for it should be well promoted.

Tethering between the tablets and my phone has always worked for me and was as easy as a few clicks in the gui? It was never complicated or unsupported.

[sjgadsby]

Actually Johan Hedberg, our BlueZ developer, is planning to start a wiki page providing the information needed to handle the unsupported BT profiles in Maemo 5. He is busy with the final release but the info will be there in time.

For what it says it shouldn't be complicated.

Good enough for me. Thanks for taking the time to let the community know this is coming!

[aironeous]

Since they won't put at&t 3g on the N900 then I would like to bluetooth it to my N95 that does have at&t 3g as I am doing right now with my N810. So the question is, can we do as we have been doing all along with our tablets and tether to our nseries phones using it's 3g instead of this tmobile stuff cuz that is just putting all tablet owners into a sudden change without any transition period. Why would Nokia lead every tablet owner to rely on at&t and then suddenly switch without any effort to make the change more manageable?

[icbolsh]

can we easily unlock the N900 so we could put other carriers SIM in? When I travel in Asia, T-mobile is not to be found. It would be nice to throw a carrier's card in while over there and then put T-mobile's back when I return to the US.

[krisse]

The other way of doing it would be releasing a version of Joikuspot for Maemo:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTA1agjjZQk

It lets you turn a 3G wi-fi phone into a wi-fi hotspot which should work with any device that supports adhoc connections, which includes most laptops (I've connected a Xandros EEE PC to the internet through my Nokia 5800 running Joikuspot). You can even use the same phone to connect multiple devices.

[krisse]

can we easily unlock the N900 so we could put other carriers SIM in? When I travel in Asia, T-mobile is not to be found. It would be nice to throw a carrier's card in while over there and then put T-mobile's back when I return to the US.

Why not just buy an unlocked version of the N900? All Nokia devices are available in unlocked versions too.

[allnameswereout]

The other way of doing it would be releasing a version of Joikuspot for Maemo:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTA1agjjZQk

It lets you turn a 3G wi-fi phone into a wi-fi hotspot which should work with any device that supports adhoc connections, which includes most laptops (I've connected a Xandros EEE PC to the internet through my Nokia 5800 running Joikuspot). You can even use the same phone to connect multiple devices.We have BlueTooth on board though.

JoikuSpot makes WiFi AP and is just an interface to very low level stuff we been able to do on Linux as well. On Linux, all what is needed is some frontend, and that can be made much better than JoikuSpot. The statistics used for tethering you can get from e.g. ifconfig (limitation: I/O in bytes and 32 bit though). Also, Joikuspot doesn't support WPA2.

[tso]

also, joikuspot have limitations on the free version. unless nokia pulled a fast one with the networking in maemo, it will a be a case of firewall/routing rules ;)

[krisse]

We have BlueTooth on board though.

Yes but Wi-Fi is sometimes more flexible in terms of device support.

Both methods have their advantages but in certain circumstances Joikuspot is the preferable one (for example if your laptop has Wi-Fi but no Bluetooth, or if its Bluetooth doesn't work with Bluetooth modems).

[mikkov]

Using joikusport type solution will suck battery empty super fast compared to bluetooth

[allnameswereout]

Yes but Wi-Fi is sometimes more flexible in terms of device support.

Both methods have their advantages but in certain circumstances Joikuspot is the preferable one (for example if your laptop has Wi-Fi but no Bluetooth, or if its Bluetooth doesn't work with Bluetooth modems).The ideal solution is BlueTooth DUN/PAN or USB.

The dirty hack in case of emergency is JoikuSpot. There are not that many situations where this dirty hack is necessary. Yeah, I know you can't get BlueTooth PAN or DUN on iPod touch. That is why I've started to hate the goddamn thing (or rather the corporation behind it) slowly but surely more and more...

As said, it doesn't provide adequete cryptopgraphy or authentication, and it sucks the battery dry (no PSM). IMO in both use cases VPN between at least the 2 devices is necessary.

[bAxon]

so at this point as we know it n900 will not be able to tether - am I correct ?

[Jaffa]

so at this point as we know it n900 will not be able to tether [out of the box]

The bit I've added (and emphasised) is important. What it'll able to do, and what it's able to do out-of-the-box are two very different things.

[McChicken]

Yes but Wi-Fi is sometimes more flexible in terms of device support.

Both methods have their advantages but in certain circumstances Joikuspot is the preferable one (for example if your laptop has Wi-Fi but no Bluetooth, or if its Bluetooth doesn't work with Bluetooth modems).

I am a HEAVY S60 ( N95) Joikuspot user ( actually right now) and I do agree with above, it is fantastic to be free of a cable, but power consumption is massive.
so to be able to use Joikuspot for more than a few minutes it needs to be connected to a power output. However the new N900 can charge via micro USB right, so if connected to a PC it will charge at the same time...like my 10 year old PDA did...
but wireless seems quite a bit more modern...

[Fargus]

so at this point as we know it n900 will not be able to tether - am I correct ?

if you want to use the N900 as a gateway for say a laptop then plug the USB cable in and off you go. If you need to connect wirelessly then use the simple mod.

If you want to use the N900 with another phone to get connection on say AT&T in USA then use PAN/DUN via bluetooth as you would do for N8x0 before.

That help?

[imokruok]

If you want to use the N900 with another phone to get connection on say AT&T in USA then use PAN/DUN via bluetooth as you would do for N8x0 before.

That help?

But is this either going to be (1) included or (2) available via download at some point? It was called an 'awkward situation' earlier in this thread, but yes - I have a Blackberry with unlimited data, and would love to be able to tether the N900 to it as a client, either via BT or USB. (Actually, love is too weak of a word - if I can't do it, it's not worth it, since a separate data plan for the N900 is just too much. I'll just keep dragging around my netbook.)

[rr0123]

But is this either going to be (1) included or (2) available via download at some point? It was called an 'awkward situation' earlier in this thread, but yes - I have a Blackberry with unlimited data, and would love to be able to tether the N900 to it as a client, either via BT or USB. (Actually, love is too weak of a word - if I can't do it, it's not worth it, since a separate data plan for the N900 is just too much. I'll just keep dragging around my netbook.)

I'm in the same boat, although I want the BT tether, not just USB. Any thoughts from those who now have the N900 in their hands?

[mikkov]

But is this either going to be (1) included or (2) available via download at some point? It was called an 'awkward situation' earlier in this thread, but yes - I have a Blackberry with unlimited data, and would love to be able to tether the N900 to it as a client, either via BT or USB. (Actually, love is too weak of a word - if I can't do it, it's not worth it, since a separate data plan for the N900 is just too much. I'll just keep dragging around my netbook.)

(1) Bluetooth tethering (client or server) is not included
(2) possible, but not promised by anybody

[chrisp7]

I am a HEAVY S60 ( N95) Joikuspot user ( actually right now) and I do agree with above, it is fantastic to be free of a cable, but power consumption is massive.
so to be able to use Joikuspot for more than a few minutes it needs to be connected to a power output. However the new N900 can charge via micro USB right, so if connected to a PC it will charge at the same time...like my 10 year old PDA did...
but wireless seems quite a bit more modern...

Why dont you just use the Nokia Suite via bluetooth - its free and very quick.

[wahlau]

i wonder if with the right tools (such as iptables) we can potentially turn the N900 into a MiFi device. that would be cool :)

[jdiddly]

Why are the phones moving backwards when it comes to using it as a bluetooth modem? (Sorry, 'tethering')

All my old phones could do this

[jjx]

Why dont you just use the Nokia Suite via bluetooth - its free and very quick.

Isn't that Windows only? Not much use to us Linux users.

[jjx]

I am a HEAVY S60 ( N95) Joikuspot user ( actually right now) and I do agree with above, it is fantastic to be free of a cable, but power consumption is massive.

Fwiw, I found that Bluetooth tethering uses less power than USB. You might like to try that. On my old S60 6120 Classics, using the phone as a modem for my laptop, I've had about 2 hours use that way.

From what people are saying, WiFi uses more power than USB.

So it's important to distinguish between WiFi and Bluetooth cases.

[jjx]

The ideal solution is BlueTooth DUN/PAN or USB.

For providing access to one computer/device, yes. To give multiple devices access, that won't do.

With PAN, you may also find you can't use OBEX file browsing between the phone and computer - I've seen some phones that allow one or the other.

In my experience of S60 on a Nokia 6120 Classic, Bluetooth DUN was less power hungry than USB, as well as being more convenient due to not needing a cable. (PAN wasn't an option.)

Most of the time, Bluetooth was faster than the mobile broadband, but not on those rare occasions where the broadband service was running at full speed. Then USB was needed to get maximum download speed. But it wasn't that much difference, and only rarely, so I used Bluetooth all the time, except when doing tests.

The dirty hack in case of emergency is JoikuSpot.

Speaking of dirty, I was thinking of hacking up an application for my N900 like JoikuSpot, to give other people web access when they are in cafes that don't provide it (or where it's not free).

And then putting up a redirection to a "send me £1 by paypal to get unlimited web access until <TIME>" page, just like the commercial providers, only offered wherever I happen to be eating that day ;-)

Hey, if there's multiple N900 users running this app within range, we could even pool our connections to multiply the bandwidth for all of us ;-) ;-)

[imokruok]

Why are the phones moving backwards when it comes to using it as a bluetooth modem? (Sorry, 'tethering')

All my old phones could do this

In this case, we had been discussing using the N900 as a client - not a host - for internet. It's maddening that it's not supported out of the box, as I do it with my N800 with no additional software or updates. It's included in OS2008.

[mrlanrat]

I am very interested in getting a N900, However I am not interested in getting a new cellphone plan with it. (I am very happy with my Verizon contract)

Can I tether a N900 to my cellphone via bluetooth like I can with my N810?

Other than the lack of the phone portion working, would there be any other disadvantages of using it as just an internet tablet and not a phone?

(I may switch to T-Mobile down the line but not right now)

Thanks!

[mrlanrat]

Bump

Can I connect a N900 to a cellphone via bluetooth/tether to get internet access?

[benny1967]

as far as i understood: no, not out of the box.

there's a page in the wiki with rudimentary information on enabling unsupported bluetooth features
http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_Unsupported_Bluetooth_profiles

it still doesn't cover what you (and i) want.

even if it could be done by simply editing a few config files or such, it'd still be a PITA compared to the easy to use GUI they had on previous maemo versions.

[jsa]

http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_Unsupported_Bluetooth_profiles

There are some info about BT profiles that are not supported out of the box but can be enabled. I don't have any way of testing this but maybe for example someone with a pre-release device could try it out..

[sjgadsby]

Threads merged & title adjusted slightly.

[mrlanrat]

Can anyone test using the N900 as the tether client?

I would really like a N900, but it would be useless to me without this ability.

[sjgadsby]

Can anyone test using the N900 as the tether client?

Unfortunately, there's nothing to test right now. The DUN client functionality that was present in previous Maemo releases has been removed in Maemo 5. Also, as I understand it, those now-missing bits were closed source in previous releases, so there's no old code for the community to reintegrate and recompile now.

Desktop Linux systems can tether to phones using DUN, of course, so I'm sure the N900 can too...eventually. First, someone needs to invest the time and energy to pull the pieces together and package them up. It probably can't be as nicely integrated as it was in the past though.

[TA-t3]

Hm, I will be needing this feature too, when I get the N900. Currently I tether my N800 to a phone for 2G/3G, and that's what I'll have to continue to do with the N900: I want to use my N900 as my private phone, but the data plan is with the work phone.

Methinks Nokia or someone was thinking too narrowly if the feature was removed/disabled because the N900 happened to have a built-in phone. The real world is a bit more complex.

EDIT:
The DUN client functionality that was present in previous Maemo releases has been removed in Maemo 5
So, in addition to the 'Fixed in Fremantle' T-shirt we'll also need a 'Removed in Fremantle' T-shirt? :D

[ceeceebee]

You can tether via USB with PC-Suite. Not the cleanest solution, but the USB connection is reliable, and it powers the phone while using the 3G connection.

[sjgadsby]

You can tether via USB with PC-Suite. Not the cleanest solution, but the USB connection is reliable, and it powers the phone while using the 3G connection.

That does not make the N900 a wireless client of another phone, which is the topic of the thread.

[stobbsc]

Can't the N900 be configured to be wireless hot spot? That way you won't need to use BT!

Or is there not an app for this like say JoikuSpot for symbian?

[DREJV]

That does not make the N900 a wireless client of another phone, which is the topic of the thread.

N900 shows DUN, FTP, OPP and SPP supported profiles with paired devices such as N97 and E71. So infrastructurally answer is yes. Practically no since someone needs to write the app to enanble this.... nothing else to discuss.

[imokruok]

Have there been any further developments on enabling N900 as a tethered client? Is there a Nokia site to request features?

This is the only thing that is keeping me from buying the thing...

[Laurence]

The idea to code an app for the N900 so you access data on another mobile's modem via Bluetooth DUN certainly has my vote ! This has been a dream function with the N810.

That way phone for business contacts and calls and tablet tethered for fun with media and general surfing with the excellent maemo web browser.

[az9]

big reason chose n900 was so that i could tether with laptop (Win Vista and use tmobile USA 3g) the same way i have been doing with my n95. however, seems that this is not offered out of the box.

for us non-techies, is there a simple solution?

don't want to return phone but this is a big one for me!

[Laurence]

big reason chose n900 was so that i could tether with laptop (Win Vista and use tmobile USA 3g) the same way i have been doing with my n95. however, seems that this is not offered out of the box.

for us non-techies, is there a simple solution?

don't want to return phone but this is a big one for me!

That too is a big one for me. I use my phone to connect to my laptop via bluetooth daily.

Due to this, I am running my N900 without a SIM (WiFi only).

I wonder if with a few added commands this can be enabled, as was the case for the HID profile for the keyboard.

http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_Unsupported_Bluetooth_profiles

[General]
#List of plugins that should not be loaded on bluetoothd startup
DisablePlugins = network,input,hal

What does enabling the "network" plugin achieve? Maybe this is PAN only; and not PAN and DUN?

[az9]

nokia customer service told me on two different calls that the n900 could not (1) charge the unit with the usb cable nor is (2) tethering supported... found an article online saying that it could. tried again and BOTH things work!

seems these first few weeks are going to be quite rocky for non-techies

these problems are inadmissible if nokia plans to make a dent in the iphone market. most users, the mass market of non-techies do not have the know how, interest, nor time to troubleshoot.

i love you, nokia, but please get your ish together... quickly!

[MaemoCurmudgeon]

Why dont you just use the Nokia Suite via bluetooth - its free and very quick.

Because the BT modem driver does not exist today. PC suite connect only works via USB.

[Laurence]

Found this. Looks very promising. The author, Philip has even alluded to packaging it up when he gets a moment to do so.


Controlling Bluetooth DUN with upstart on the n900

http://intr.overt.org/blog/?p=74

[sjgadsby]

Looks very promising.

Note though, that the solution is providing Bluetooth DUN server, not client.

[philipl]

So, I didn't realise it until today, but the pc-connectivity manager lets you do exactly what's being asked for.

You can connect using USB, Bluetooth PAN, or ad-hoc wlan and share an internet connection from either side.

http://pc-connectivity.garage.maemo.org/2nd_edition/index.html

I have not tried it, but the instructions look sane.

[mikkov]

So, I didn't realise it until today, but the pc-connectivity manager lets you do exactly what's being asked for.

You can connect using USB, Bluetooth PAN, or ad-hoc wlan and share an internet connection from either side.

http://pc-connectivity.garage.maemo.org/2nd_edition/index.html

I have not tried it, but the instructions look sane.

No wonder that nobody has realised what it does when the packages description says


A Maemo control panel applet to help the connection setup between the device and the hostpc.


Somehow I don't believe that it really does all the things that webpage says though

[PTzero]

Any new developments on this? I'm considering upgrading from my N810 to the N900 but would like to have this functionality.

[Matan]

I want to connect the N900 in the same way as I do with the N810. Is it possible? How?

[mikec]

I want to connect the N900 in the same way as I do with the N810. Is it possible? How?

not sure you can, but if its a symbian phone you could joiku spot over the wifi.

[sjgadsby]

Threads merged.

[Matan]

I understand that the answer is no.

Why merge threads, this thread asks a completely different question - about PAN server on the N900.

[Matan]

not sure you can, but if its a symbian phone you could joiku spot over the wifi.

That is true if my phone has wifi (which it does not), and if I don't care about battery usage (which I do).

[mikec]

I understand that the answer is no.

Why merge threads, this thread asks a completely different question - about PAN server on the N900.

any good?

http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_Unsupported_Bluetooth_profiles

[Blackbeard]

any good?

http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_Unsupported_Bluetooth_profiles

It works for me. Tested it with Vista and XP. Haven't tried Linux yet but I'm pretty confident it will work too.

My steps:


write the script and put into N900 (in this example the script is called bdun.sh)
chmod u+x btdun.sh
sudo gainroot
cd to directory where btdun.sh is
./btdun.sh &


After that I just created new bluetooth connection from the computer in usual way.

[mikec]

i think he was after PAN

[Blackbeard]

i think he was after PAN

I see it now. Got confused since DUN was discussed as well.

[Matan]

any good?

http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_Unsupported_Bluetooth_profiles

No. It is an answer to this thread's question, not to my question.

[R-R]

So what's the diff between the package:

* pc-connectivity-manager

and

* maemo-pc-connectivity

? :)

[r32inc]

Used "Bluetooth Dail-Up Networking" under Maemo Extras-devel and connected to a windows PC (Win7 and Vista) and OSX over DUN call out number "*99#." It works just fine for me.

Before installing "Bluetooth Dail-Up Networking" under Maemo Extras-devel be sure to read the disclaimer and risk http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras

[aironeous]

Please get this out of extras testing and devel when its ready. I will never install anything from there (testing and devel) as i am not a developer and don't know how to fix screwed up apps and make sure you state that it is optified or i wont use it.

[aironeous]

From the wiki:
"This does not work out of the box (at least in early versions of Maemo5, as of December 2009). A tweak is needed to enable it, which has been described and packaged by Philip Langdale as “Bluetooth Dial-up Networking”. Installing this package from the Extras (currently, extras-testing) repository is all that's required.

If the device that's being tethered runs Windows, there may be additional complications. Installing a recent version of Nokia PC Suite (with partial N900 support), and connecting it to the N900, may be necessary to create the relevant "Bluetooth Modem" in Network Connections; for others, simply pairing the N900 with the Windows Bluetooth stack is enough. "

[j.s]

I want to connect the N900 in the same way as I do with the N810. Is it possible? How?

Have you got n900 working as a PAN client?

It was so easy on the n810.

[youngcalihottie]

i still dont have a n900 because of all this mess and lack of mms. but i think im about to give in.

i have a linux desktop but never use it because idk anything about linux. so this will be my first actually used linux device. even tho joikuspot doesnt seem to be liked on here, i would love to see it or a solution like it on the n900 because im such a linux noob and would have no idea how to do it other than a packaged gui. i also need the bluetooth connections.

i have an amazing att plan so im not going to switch to tmo. i guess i can just turn on joikuspot on my 5800 and connect via wifi that way? gah i dont want to carry two devices. this defeats the purpose of having a n900 to do everything. ill never understand why they didnt just make a 850/1700/1900 NAM version. or at least have some kind of 850/1900 version. maybe ill wait for an att 3g maemo device. i dont wanna wait another year tho :(. im so mad at nokia for this!

[Matan]

Have you got n900 working as a PAN client?

It was so easy on the n810.

This is irrelevant to my question. The N800 connected to phones with DUN, not PAN. Which feature phones support PAN, anyway?

[j.s]

This is irrelevant to my question. The N800 connected to phones with DUN, not PAN. Which feature phones support PAN, anyway?

Sorry. I misunderstood your question.

I have been using bluetooth PAN to give give my n810 internet access where there is no wifi. I wanted to do the same with n900. I don't have a data plan yet.

For the n810, it took light editing of a few config files and a relatively short script. No pairing or other fuss and muss. It works great. It is very frustration that I can't do the same with the n900.

[Matan]

Sorry. I misunderstood your question.


That is not your fault. It is because some unnamed moderator took my question from a thread where the context made it clear, and bolted it to this completely unrelated thread.

[aironeous]

Because isn't dun implying that the N900 is the one providing the internet connection and pan is implying that the n900 is the client and something else is providing the internet connection?
But then this merged thread got me all confused and I got all excited about dun being downloadable in applications manager and after I installed it and took my AT&T sim card and put it in my N95 8GB and turned on the bluetooth and tried to connect my N900 as client to my N95 8GB It was not possible.
Oh well, I guess. For a second there I thought I was going to have 3g on my N900. Too late now anyways, the reboot issue has somehow ruined my sim card so that N95 8GB doesn't recognize it anymore. I couldn't do it even if I wanted to now. Guess I'll have to shell out some money to jump to tmobile.
Pan=N900 is the client
Dun=N900 is the internet provider
Isn't that right?

[Matan]

That is wrong in both DUN and PAN a device can be either a client or an internet provider.

If you want the N900 to access the internet through your N95 (N900 is DUN client), follow my instructions here:

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=434448&postcount=3

About bad SIM - just ask you provider to replace it.

[mrlanrat]

That is wrong in both DUN and PAN a device can be either a client or an internet provider.

If you want the N900 to access the internet through your N95 (N900 is DUN client), follow my instructions here:

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=434448&postcount=3


Can someone write a script or small application to automate the process, or even make the connection visible in the available networks dialog (like the N810)

Also, will wifi still work with this method?

[rr0123]

Can someone write a script or small application to automate the process, or even make the connection visible in the available networks dialog (like the N810)

I second this request, I am just not computer literate enough to feel confident about doing it on my own. I plan to get a N900, but I am waiting until I know I can reliably get internet on the N900 from my phone via BT, the same way I get it on my N810.

For whomever does this, drinks are on me at CES later this week......

[rr0123]

Any update on this?

[rr0123]

Checking again for any update for a prepackaged solution? I want to get the N900 but I want to get my internet from my Sprint phone.......and I can tell that those instructions are beyond my capabilities.

If someone is in the SF Bay Area and could do it for me, I'll buy you lunch.......

[felbutss]

why not just use joikuspot???? lol so much better

[JohnLF]

I was going to say the same but I think he wants it the other way around - effectively to run joikuspot on his sprint phone and connect his N900 through that to the web.

That's how I read it anyway.

[rr0123]

I was going to say the same but I think he wants it the other way around - effectively to run joikuspot on his sprint phone and connect his N900 through that to the web.

That's how I read it anyway.

Correct; I want to use the Sprint phone as the internet source. As for joikuspot, I haven't tried it, but I have read that it is a serious battery hog. With just using BT DUN from my Sprint phone, I can get internet access for long periods of time without killing the battery.

[Matan]

Actually, setting up BT dun client is a bit simpler. Install the package bluetooth-dun-client from my repository, which installs all the files described in my post. You are left with a need to edit two files:

/etc/bluetootf/rfcomm.conf : Change the BT address in this file to the address of your phone.

/etc/ppp/chat/gprs.chat : change internet.pelephone,net.il to the name of the APN your provider uses. (This assumes using GPRS/UMTS. If you use another connection, such as CDMA, the file needs more editing).

After that you should have a connection called orange in your connection manager which connects to the internet through your phone.

[isocoma]

Actually, setting up BT dun client is a bit simpler. Install the package bluetooth-dun-client from my repository, which installs all the files described in my post. You are left with a need to edit two files:

/etc/bluetootf/rfcomm.conf : Change the BT address in this file to the address of your phone.

/etc/ppp/chat/gprs.chat : change internet.pelephone,net.il to the name of the APN your provider uses. (This assumes using GPRS/UMTS. If you use another connection, such as CDMA, the file needs more editing).

After that you should have a connection called orange in your connection manager which connects to the internet through your phone.

I modified rfcomm.conf, but I do not see gprs.chat - In fact, I do not have a /etc/ppp dir at all. Am I missing a prerequisite?

[isocoma]

Well, I used PC Suite to connect, and it worked, so that's good enough for now.

[myk]

Used "Bluetooth Dail-Up Networking" under Maemo Extras-devel

edit: package is called "bluetooth-dun".

[inselaffe]

I've had my N900 less than a week and I'm unbelievably impressed with it.

I've been trying to get the Bluetooth tethering working with Ubuntu using the instructions here, but it's giving me an error message after connecting to the phone, which states:
GSM or CDMA not supported
I've tried searching Google for the exact text and similar variations, but have come up empty-handed.
Can anyone give me any pointers? I'm happy to make changes using the terminal if someone provides step-by-step guidance.

FWIW, I'm on Vodafone UK and am typing this on the N900, so I know I have internet access enabled. The Bluetooth connection appears to be sound, as I've been using it for file transfer between the devices.

[Alan_Peery]

I've had my N900 less than a week and I'm unbelievably impressed with it.

I've been trying to get the Bluetooth tethering working with Ubuntu using the instructions here, but it's giving me an error message

Not sure about that specific error, but I turned up this reference
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=32018

from here
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35718

with this Google
site:talk.maemo.org ubuntu bluetooth DUN

Hope that's helpful...

[myk]

I've been trying to get the Bluetooth tethering working with Ubuntu
Using what on Ubuntu? I just use the pon and poff commands as a font for pppd. I had to modify the chatscript from what worked with other phones, e.g. don't expect "CONNECT".

[edanto]

I'm seeing the same error message as insaleffe - but the connection is working!

The instructions I'm following are here:
http://myn900.wordpress.com/2010/02/04/tethered-n900-to-ubuntu-9-10-via-bluetooth/

After I see the error message, I just dismiss it, then (after a minute or so) click on the Network Manager icon up beside the time & date, and there is a new network for me to select under the Mobile Broadband category. I select it, disconnect my wireless connection and I'm good to go.