Maemo 6 / Harmattan on N900?

[Stskeeps]

This post/thread:

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45213

Might be a good thing to read through regarding many of the issues discussed in here - from N900 user point of view.

[jcompagner]

You certainly can update any of the (open source) components whenever you want. Nokia are only pushing out the updates in monolithic patch-sets, but there's nothing preventing you from compiling & installing your own fixed version before then (someone has already put up their own repository for doing just this).

come on.. thats not a solution.. for many many users..

If somebody could just compile and generate a deb file of Modest and put it in one of the repositories then it is a solution yes.
I still hope that there are developers that would pickup the code of Modest and patch it and make there own release so that we can get things like IMAP-IDLE and drafts/send mail on the server. Not downloading all messages in the boxes but only the first X number. Having a bit better ui (for example the send button should also just be somewhere on the screen, now you have to scroll). And more and more issues.
If there is one app that needs in my eyes improvements and fixes it is Modest..
But i guess i was just spoiled with ProfiMail on my E90. That worked so well...

[Milhouse]

Exactly. Which to me is a bunch of crap.

Indeed. Nokia must change or die. The competition are supporting their devices with major OS updates and typically with support for at least 2 years or more. Mobile networks now tie subscribers to 24 month contracts because of the cost of devices.

For Nokia to have an attitude whereby they deny OS upgrades to consumers who buy phones that barely work in the first place will increasingly make Nokia look like an expensive and unattractive option irrespective of how pretty the OS turns out to be.

Of course Nokia just want to shift more devices in the hope we'll stump up for the next device, but when it turns out to be full of bugs (hey, it's a new OS - AGAIN!) and missing features it's not going to be much fun to learn "everything will be fixed in the next OS, available only on the next device".

This attitude can't be allowed to continue.

[zwer]

Having a bit better ui (for example the send button should also just be somewhere on the screen, now you have to scroll).

Until that's fixed, one of the fastest ways to scroll back to top is ctrl + f, space, enter (it's highly unlikely that you don't have a space in the first couple of lines)... Once you get used to it it makes the inconvinience to scroll large emails back to the top just to send them far more bearable...

[jcompagner]

Until that's fixed, one of the fastest ways to scroll back to top is ctrl + f, space, enter (it's highly unlikely that you don't have a space in the first couple of lines)... Once you get used to it it makes the inconvinience to scroll large emails back to the top just to send them far more bearable...


there is a faster way CTRL-ENTER (thats send)
So that works for me,
But that doesnt mean that the ui is correct/ok...

[ajflex]

Nokia MeeGo Announcment confrence at Once Bercalona
in according to nokia the nokia n900 will be get it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SNafLSS4JQ

[ajflex]

if you where to listen keenly clean your hears properly you would hear what have been said same for many of you stop complaining
start with existing nokia n900 and moblin os devices that existing willl get it first laptop tv will get 2nd quarter


same kernel used in moblin and maemo 6 =meego

qt 4.6 willl make Symbian and me-ego or (maemo6) will be easier to create the same game and application
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SNafLSS4JQ
but n900 will be getting me-ego os

time fine tuned is 11:00-11:40 talk about Symbian and me-ego os and the future in terms of Nokia n900 me-ego os

q&a will n900 get the me-ego os
15:42-17:02

[jakiman]

I just watched that. From that conference, it's difficult to say if N900 is getting the MeeGo OS 100% or not.

But he does say that MeeGo would be the perfect platform for N900.
But that is not a definitive answer on if N900 will get the upgrade to new MeeGo platform or not.

[russo_br]

q&a will n900 get the me-ego os
15:42-17:02

I sincerely didn't watch it all, but besides any interpretation from the listeners, couldn't Nokia repeat then what they say in an official statement?

If Nokia already told N900 will be upgradable to Meego, there would be no warm in reafirmung that to cease all the noise from the users, and the N900 sales figures would only rise.

From my research there is no fact about getting or not Meego for N900, only speculation and assumptions. I will continue to research though, since the importance of having Meego upgrade can not be ignored with the QT app portability excuse, that's only a collateral benefit that even Symbians users will have as well.

[Frappacino]

>>From my research there is no fact about getting or not Meego for N900, only speculation and assumptions.

The silence says everything you want to know, imo - quite clear at this time there are no plans

if there were plans, then it would have been accounced with meego for additional impact, instead there was the very weak "developers can start developnig on the n900" excuse

instead the first meego device is to be LG - HAH

[attila77]

instead the first meego device is to be LG - HAH

The first device ANNOUNCED. The tentative shipping dates are pretty much the same, H2 to Q4.

[qole]

The first signs of "Fixed in Harmattan" are starting to show. Just got this on my bug (https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9247) (which has been confirmed as valid and already has a two-line patch upstream):


at this phase mostly just bugs critical to end users will be fixed for Fremantle (every change is a potential new bug etc). It's a bit late to get developer changes still in to Fremantle.

[Matan]

And this bug is actually a regression, since in psmisc was installable in PR1.0.

[pelago]

The first signs of "Fixed in Harmattan" are starting to show.
It's not new, is it? I'm sure we've seen quite a lot of that in Bugzilla already over the last few weeks.

[slartibartfast]

http://meego.com/community/blogs/valhalla/2010/towards-day-one

"And now to the business: The most important question is of course about the code. We hope to move on here very quickly now. Nokia and Intel have set the target to open the MeeGo repository by the end of this month. I guess this is something that finally will signify the real "Day One" of MeeGo project, a genuine merger of moblin and maemo. What is scheduled to be available then is the first and very raw baseline to a source and binary repository to build MeeGo trunk on Intel ATOM boards and Nokia N900."

[mrojas]

http://meego.com/community/blogs/valhalla/2010/towards-day-one

"And now to the business: The most important question is of course about the code. We hope to move on here very quickly now. Nokia and Intel have set the target to open the MeeGo repository by the end of this month. I guess this is something that finally will signify the real "Day One" of MeeGo project, a genuine merger of moblin and maemo. What is scheduled to be available then is the first and very raw baseline to a source and binary repository to build MeeGo trunk on Intel ATOM boards and Nokia N900."

"That said, please do not take this yet as a commitment to fully productise MeeGo on N900. I am quite confident that we will end up having a really good developer distro for N900 already but committing to stabilise a consumer-grade MeeGo 1.0 (first half this year) for N900 is another story."

[Ronaldo]

"That said, please do not take this yet as a commitment to fully productise MeeGo on N900. I am quite confident that we will end up having a really good developer distro for N900 already but committing to stabilise a consumer-grade MeeGo 1.0 (first half this year) for N900 is another story."

this would be a kick in the nuts if they didnt have plan to release full meego for n900 :rolleyes:

[qgil]

"That said, please do not take this yet as a commitment to fully productise MeeGo on N900. I am quite confident that we will end up having a really good developer distro for N900 already but committing to stabilise a consumer-grade MeeGo 1.0 (first half this year) for N900 is another story."

http://wiki.maemo.org/What_can_we_realistically_expect#The_MeeGo_project _has_announced_support_for_the_N900.__What_does_it _really_mean_for_my_N900_.3F

[emeni]

I want to buy an n900 but I'm not sure I should. I hear a lot about the Maemo6/MeeGo and a new device based on scheduled for Q2 this year.
I have to pay 600euros and get stuck with a contract for at least 6 months if not more (depending on what offers I get).
My question now it is, should I buy it or not?
I'm not buying it because I'm a linux developer, honestly I don't know too much about linux but I intend learning a lot more in the near future (although I have some programing knowledge this isn't in my line of studies). I'm a student so 600euros is a lot for me, but I need to change my carrier and I might as well buy a phone with it, and since I get to pay it in monthly rates I might as well treat my self for my achievements and buy a phone that suits me.
I don't want an Iphone, apples policy to openness is... I also hate google for their idea of putting a cookie on everything, etc.
The only brand I like is Nokia.

Right now what n900 offeres is pretty good for me, I mean it offeres everything I might need at this point, BUT it would be pretty stupid for me to buy the n900 now and in 1-2-3 months a new one phone comes out.
I can't afford to buy a new phone too soon.

So what do you say, should I wait or should I buy it now?

My main concerns are: form what I've read Maemo 6 uses Qt, which is different from the current situation, and probably most of the developer will prefer developing in Qt programs compatibles with Maemo 6, and MeeGo and future symbian and will neglect Maemo 5.
Also from what I've read there should be a next update for Maemo 5 which should include Qt. Does this mean that the programs from the other releases will be compatible with Maemo 5? (of course excluding cases when it will be limited by the HW).


So what do you say? And please if you're actually going to be mean, don't answer.

[NokiaRocks]

PR 1.2 will include QT4.6 and the most Symbian and MeeGo apps written in QT should run on the N900.
I don't see any reason why you shouldn't buy it, if you like the phone.

[6sicSIX]

All of that went through my mind before I ordered my n900 too..

In the end I figured that I don't know a thing about the next device & I didn''t want to wait all that time to find out that it doesn't have a keyboard or something similar so I just went ahead and ordered it :D

Killian

[emeni]

I love the phone, but as I sad previously, I'm a student, and you all know how it is when you're a student (very low on finance), but I saved money for a new laptop, but in the meanwhile I don't need one anymore (I've got a nice workstation at the university), so now I just think this would be much better for mobility (I commute every weekend and most of my projects are in the field, so again lots of time wasted moving).

I'm still in the doubt, especially since I've read about that usb port problem which I still don't know if they have fixed it (right now I'm waiting for my new carrier to get restock on N900 so I think they should have fixed it )

[qgil]

I want to buy an n900 but I'm not sure I should. I hear a lot about the Maemo6/MeeGo and a new device based on scheduled for Q2 this year.

There is another thread addressing exactly your concerns:

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=47837

[jared90]

well, the N900 starts selling here where i live around the 15th October..Summit is 11th? So i will know in time... but in the worst case that Maemo 6 wont be for the N900...does it matter that much? I mean, what could possibly Maemo 6 add/have that 5 doesn't?
I think the updates for the N900 will enhance the experience alot..

You need to have a look at a program u can download to the n900. It shows general information on the maemo 6 apps and some of its features. It also gives screen preview of what it 'may' look like. The one majour change for users will be portraid mopde and added apps that can be uised between both systems. You need to look into it more before you judge it. J