Supported IM-protocols

[Glasswalker]

Hi there,

maybe I'm blind or I missed something while searching here and the official Maemo 5 site, but I haven't found any infos about which protocols will be supportet out of the box in Fremantle and to which extend. I'd need ICQ, MSN and Yahoo (voice and file transfere would be nice). Will this be possible or will we (or I) have to wait untill Pidgin is ported for N900 (if it ever will be)?

Regards,
Glasswalker

edit: chasing typos.....

[benny1967]

I remember somebody saying that these protocols will be supported via telepathy-haze out of the box. - Of course, this means you have to live with restrictions (like no voice/video in some cases).

I'd be much more interested in telepathy-idle (for IRC) and -salut (for ad-hoc chats in the local network). Hope they'll be available, easy to install and nicely integrated.

[ruskie]

Well if Jabber is supported most others tend to be available if nowhere else but through jabber transports.

[funpig]

Maybe you should read that thread.http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=30843

but it looks had some problem now. hope it should got big progress soon.

[zerojay]

Out of the box, those protocols will not be supported however as far as I know Collabora is going to be releasing a package to support them (yes, through telepathy-haze) sometime in the very near future.

They'll be available, don't worry.

[thisandthathereandthere]

that sounds pretty interessting. i like the idea of a unified embedded IMclient but ithink it would be a problem with different statuses on different clients (invisible in ICQ "collegues", available on MSN"friends" and busy for Gtalk "family"). saw different videos and there was only one status vor AIM,Gtalk and Skype. but its just a guess don't have the device......yet

[zerojay]

that sounds pretty interessting. i like the idea of a unified embedded IMclient but ithink it would be a problem with different statuses on different clients (invisible in ICQ "collegues", available on MSN"friends" and busy for Gtalk "family"). saw different videos and there was only one status vor AIM,Gtalk and Skype. but its just a guess don't have the device......yet

That's right, you set your status across all at the same time.

[joppu]

Someone should make a SSH client customized for Irssi running in a Screen and fully integrated in IM platform. Atleast hilights (bell's) should be announced with a bubble "Someone needs your attention!"

;)

[korbé]

I have 3 questions aboute the "Messaging" Pre-installed software in Maemo 5:

- Support file transfer?
- Support chat room for XMPP/jabber?
- SMS are managed by the framework Telepathy or a special component?

[zerojay]

I have 3 questions aboute the "Messaging" Pre-installed software in Maemo 5:

- Support file transfer?
- Support chat room for XMPP/jabber?
- SMS are managed by the framework Telepathy or a special component?

- Sorry, don't think so.
- I believe that it is supported. Diablo did as well.
- Don't know.

[korbé]

Thanks Zerojay.

Too bad he did not support the file transfer.
Aucune chance, donc, de voir le support du XDCC avec IRC. (I Like Japan anime Fansub)...

RTCOMM and software "Messaging" are FOSS (Free and Open Source Software)?

An opportunity for a community member to add this feature?

[zerojay]

Thanks Zerojay.

Too bad he did not support the file transfer.
Aucune chance, donc, de voir le support du XDCC avec IRC. (I Like Japan anime Fansub)...

RTCOMM and software "Messaging" are FOSS (Free and Open Source Software)?

An opportunity for a community member to add this feature?

What you will need to work on is telepathy-idle, the connection manager for IRC used in RTCOMM. I don't believe DCC of any kind is supported in it, nor file transfers. It is free and open source.

I also do not believe any connection manager for telepathy allows file transfers though I may be wrong.

[Jack6428]

im looking forward to a ICQ client too..hopefully with file-transfer aswell

[korbé]

Gabble (for XMPP) and Butterfly (for MSN) support file transfer.

And normally, for the integration of Empathy (it useTelepathy) in Ubuntu, it's planned to add the file transfers to a maximum of protocol.

[munky261]

When using yahoo, will we be able to be online as "invisible"? I ask since this isnt possible in the current chat client.

[andreuy1980]

ok, a phone with keyboard without the three most used messengers, the prepaid phones have yahoo and they don't bother to push for a client.
Nokia should have basic software for messaging that works with them, simple they can solve it with money instead of waiting on the community ...
I'm not buying the n900, I'll wait for the next one if it's better...

[ruskie]

You are aware Jabber supports ALL those and more? You just need to add the transports in.

I wish people learned to better appreciate jabber. It trully is the best thing out there.

[Boke]

You are aware Jabber supports ALL those and more? You just need to add the transports in.

I wish people learned to better appreciate jabber. It trully is the best thing out there.

When the gateways are good and stable.

I was very enthusiastic about it at first, I used it alot in the beginning. But it was far from reliable, especially for ICQ. And if the gateway crash on the server, all you can do is wait for the admin to restart it. Which can be long sometimes.

Or you can build your own jabber server but... Not everyone can do it.

I prefer to use Telepathy transports yet.

[ruskie]

Hmmm if you need to wait for an admin then that means the server isn't well configured but that's another matter.

I must say I never had much of a problem with those. But then I consider ICQ/MSN/Y! etc... support secondary. IRC is my prefrred way(through ssh+dtach+irssi) then Jabber :)

And the main reason for getting a N900 for me is the ability to be online with jabber all the time. Then I will hardly need a phone anymore.

[zerojay]

I used to run a tablet specific Jabber server for this community, so yes... Jabber is one hell of a great thing, but the release of RTCOMM pretty much removed the need for it anymore.

[lma]

I used to run a tablet specific Jabber server for this community, so yes... Jabber is one hell of a great thing, but the release of RTCOMM pretty much removed the need for it anymore.

I would go in the opposite direction: the development of Jabber removed the need for the various proprietory silos, but people still insist on locking themselves in those so what do I know...

[Boke]

Well, I recently had troubles with icq gateway on nimbuzz jabber server.

My contacts on icq were messaging me, but I didn't recieve anything. And when I wrote them they recieved it, I could see their status and everything.
So the gateway didn't crashed really. It just didn't work well. What can you do in such a situation?
(and nimbuzz is using ejabberd which is as far as I know a good server)

It's one problem amongst others that I had with jabber gateways. The idea is good, but the reliability is, from my humble experience, bad.

Point me to good jabber servers with reliable icq and I'll be very happy.

[thisandthathereandthere]

a little problem i see: if the messenger (AOL,skype,Gtalk, or what ever) are deeply integrated, how are the contacts managed? say you have 50 skype contacts and 35 gtalkers but 15 of them are have both (70 unique people) only 40 people of those 85 messenger(70 unique) contacts you have in youre phones contactlist (80 people in phones list and 40 of them have no messenger.

so you have :

50 skype
35 gtalk
80 contacts with phone numbers

15 are in bothe messenger lists so there has to be a way to merge/sort

of those messenger contacts you have only 40 peoples numbers so you cant merge them in a phone list or what ever.

50-15= solely use skype
35-15 solely use gtalk
80-40 doesent have a messenger
its a bit complicated.

so how are those messengers managed?! if you add more IM protocols it gets more complicated if you use a unified contactlist (here merged).

[zerojay]

There is a menu for merging contacts together as seen in Diablo as far as I know. No, it's really not that much of an issue really.

I can only speak for Diablo, but I am sure something similar will be in Maemo 5's version of the Contacts app.

Basically there are smart lists of people that are generated, one for each protocol as well as phone numbers... and you can create your own.

If you're looking for someone with MSN, you just click on the MSN smart list. If you want to see everyone online on all protocols, select online. Those that have phone will have their own list.

It's really very simple, not complex at all and has been working well for me and my 300+ contacts without an issue.

[bergie]

15 are in bothe messenger lists so there has to be a way to merge/sort

of those messenger contacts you have only 40 peoples numbers so you cant merge them in a phone list or what ever.


In Diablo's contact manager at least you are able to merge contacts coming from the various different sources. And those different sources are available as groups if you want to browse only Google Talk contacts.

When you click a contact it shows buttons for the various ways to contact that person: IM, phone call, ...

I'd imagine the contact manager in Fremantle works in a similar way, but we'll see.

[Fargus]

Well without turning this into a bragging competition...

@thisandthathereandthere
I have (currently) 577 contacts listed in my contact list. This is after I ahve merged them (didn't take long at all) and this manages fine. Lots of my work contacts have multiple emails, Skype (some multiple ones), GTalk and several emails. Lots and lots of them have multiple phone numbers (cell and landline) and even a fair few with SIP as well.

I have Skype, GTalk, SIP, OVI and the others too registered and it all seems to work fine for me. (I am SO glad contact lists for the phone works in portrait though! LOL).

Basically a Little bit of attention and merge things properly and it all works well. You can always edit the nickname of IM contacts if they don't match to make the merging easier to handle (sort in abc order afterwards.).

[amorek13]

you can download account plugin haze, you will have gg talk yahoo, ovi aim, google talk,group wise, icq, jabber, msn,qq, sip, sametime