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Maximum current allocations for those networks reached, mentioned earlier in this thread.
This is true, but on speaking with MPD today it can be said that adding more T Mobile contracts for the N900 in the future is entirely possible due to the high demand. I for one don't feel comfortable signing up with vodafone considering their poor usage limit, sub par 3G coverage and increased pricing.
What a jammy ba*t*rd i am, not only did i get my N900 for £306 because of the 3 discounts but i just got off the phone with TMobile to cancel my contract and they have reduced my payment from £34.99 a month to £9.97 a month (350 mins, unlimited text, and unlimited web&walk)
Sweet
Make sure you're still getting the 3 discounts.
I had the 2 discounts and TopCashBack 10%. Nokia wrote to me asking me to call the shop, but when I didn't, after a few days they called me, and told me my order would be cancelled unless I agreed to a new order, because they weren't intending to accept multiple discount codes.
They gave some dubious excuse about the product number being changed so needing a new order.
Anyway, they let me keep the 2 discounts but instead of compounding them, the new order just added them to make 30% off, which was £10 lower than my previous order :-) But I lost the TopCashBack discount due to the new order - the Nokia sales rep hadn't heard of that, but checked and confirmed that was the only option, and wouldn't reduce the price any further to compensate.
Point is: They made it clear they were going to cancel the original order if I didn't talk with them to make a new order. I'd advise calling them to confirm your order.
406NotAcceptable
11-06-2009, 07:09 PM
This is true, but on speaking with MPD today it can be said that adding more T Mobile contracts for the N900 in the future is entirely possible due to the high demand. I for one don't feel comfortable signing up with vodafone considering their poor usage limit, sub par 3G coverage and increased pricing.
A little off topic, but just why are Vodaphone more expensive? Their 3G Coverage is poor compared to T-Mobile & Three; they seem to give you the same deal on 24 months that you can get on another network for 18 months; the data allowances are poor (and you are charged after the limit.)
The only good thing I found is you can upgrade 3 months from the end of your contract (but updgrades always suck these days!) Or you can downgrade, but only one step at a time (O2 let you drop all the way down.) Both of which are better than T Mobile.
Good news to see the T Mobile contracts will be back. I can't believe anyone picked the Voda ones when they had a choice!
Guyver
11-06-2009, 07:21 PM
Make sure you're still getting the 3 discounts.
I had the 2 discounts and TopCashBack 10%. Nokia wrote to me asking me to call the shop, but when I didn't, after a few days they called me, and told me my order would be cancelled unless I agreed to a new order, because they weren't intending to accept multiple discount codes.
They gave some dubious excuse about the product number being changed so needing a new order.
Anyway, they let me keep the 2 discounts but instead of compounding them, the new order just added them to make 30% off, which was £10 lower than my previous order :-) But I lost the TopCashBack discount due to the new order - the Nokia sales rep hadn't heard of that, but checked and confirmed that was the only option, and wouldn't reduce the price any further to compensate.
Point is: They made it clear they were going to cancel the original order if I didn't talk with them to make a new order. I'd advise calling them to confirm your order.
Just wondering is the product number this? -->.SKU 10208380 because my order says this and my previous order which is cancelled says SKU 6957363
The only good thing I found [about Vodafone] is you can upgrade 3 months from the end of your contract (but updgrades always suck these days!) Or you can downgrade, but only one step at a time (O2 let you drop all the way down.) Both of which are better than T Mobile.
Three UK (Hutchison) also let you upgrade 3 months before the end of the contract I believe, and downgrade on payment of a relatively small fee after you have passed some threshold in your contract time.
But then, if you timed it right and were lucky like me, you ended up on a £10/mo SIM-only 1 month(!) contract with "unlimited" data (3GB/mo), "unlimited" texts (3000/mo), "unlimited" 3-to-3 calls (2000 minutes/mo), network-assisted Skype, and 300 included minutes to other networks & landlines.
Perfect for my new N900 when it arrives. I have the SIM waiting and ready and really hope Nokia's team have the 3 SIM problem fixed by then :-)
It's a pity the 3 signal is so (ahem) variable, disappearing often, and with deep shadows all over the place, even in a town (Oxford) which is supposedly "very good" coverage.
A 3 shop salesperson told me they are combining infrastructure with T-mobile over the next year, which should greatly improve the coverage and shadow situation.
I've been lucky to pre-order my N900 with T-Mobile contract on MPD website couple of weeks ago, so now I'm only waiting for stock to arrive, which will happen around 16/11 according to MPD's email quoted earlier in this thread. Fingers crossed!
Anyway, if anyone is interested in SIM-free handset and all relevant discount vouchers are expired, then I can certainly recommend handtec.co.uk - they currently list N900 for just £435.26 inc. VAT, see: http://www.handtec.co.uk/product.php/2346/nokia-n900 - I have been buying different devices with Handtec three times already, never had any problems whatsoever. If I wasn't low on budget this time, I'd definitely get N900 from them again!
I've been lucky to pre-order my N900 with T-Mobile contract on MPD website couple of weeks ago, so now I'm only waiting for stock to arrive, which will happen around 16/11 according to MPD's email quoted earlier in this thread. Fingers crossed!
Anyway, if anyone is interested in SIM-free handset and all relevant discount vouchers are expired, then I can certainly recommend handtec.co.uk - they currently list N900 for just £435.26 inc. VAT, see: http://www.handtec.co.uk/product.php/2346/nokia-n900 - I have been buying different devices with Handtec three times already, never had any problems whatsoever. If I wasn't low on budget this time, I'd definitely get N900 from them again!
Are they one of the suppliers releasing in November or December?
406NotAcceptable
11-07-2009, 07:07 AM
It's a pity the 3 signal is so (ahem) variable, disappearing often, and with deep shadows all over the place, even in a town (Oxford) which is supposedly "very good" coverage.
A 3 shop salesperson told me they are combining infrastructure with T-mobile over the next year, which should greatly improve the coverage and shadow situation.
I thought 3 and T-Mobile already shared the same infrastructure. At least when I was in Belper the signal limits for each were exactly the same - a weak 3G connection.
That's a rather nice 'contract' you had have, I can't find any that matches it!
Its nice but I would prefer 1GB/mo solid connection reliability to 3GB/mo constant problems any day. But then again I live in an area where theres also alots of free wifi hotspots, which are superior if you get on them.
Are they one of the suppliers releasing in November or December?
Unfortunately they don't specify release date, however I'd assume that would be November. They are quite good in keeping up to the latest handsets.
vdx29
11-07-2009, 09:42 AM
Just wondering is the product number this? -->.SKU 10208380 because my order says this and my previous order which is cancelled says SKU 6957363
Their excuse could be reasonable. My model number is showing SKU 10208380. I ordered with the 3 15% discounts + topcashback on 19th Oct. Haven't recieved any call or email asking me to re-order.
eiffel
11-07-2009, 10:20 AM
People in the UK who are planning to mostly use the N900 for data, and who only make occasional use of voice or SMS, may wish to consider the Virgin PAYG SIM.
Data is 30 pence for each day that you use it, unlimited. Virgin's definition of "unlimited" means up to 25 megabytes (after which there's a steep per-megabyte charge). Or, for £5 from your PAYE balance, you can buy their Mobile Internet Bundle. This runs for a month, and is unlimited. Virgin's definition of "unlimited" means 1 GB, but if you exceed that it seems that you go back on to the 30p per day charge for any days that you use internet over the rest of the month.
Virgin uses T-Mobile's 3G network, so basically you're paying 30p per day instead of £1 per day by using Virgin PAYG instead of T-Mobile PAYG, in return for one big downside: the need to watch your usage to make sure you don't go above 25MB per day.
http://www.virginmobile.com/vm/genericContent.do?contentId=payasyougo.airtime.bun dles.shop.sm034
http://www.virginmobile.com/vm/genericContent.do?contentId=payasyougo.our.tariff. shop.sm285
Regards,
Roger
Data is 30 pence for each day that you use it, unlimited. Virgin's definition of "unlimited" means up to 25 megabytes (after which there's a steep per-megabyte charge). Or, for £5 from your PAYE balance, you can buy their Mobile Internet Bundle.
Note the fine print (http://www.virginmobile.com/vm/genericContent.do?contentId=our.service.footer.sm0 68) however:
Unlimited use is within the UK and is for your personal, non-commercial use only. It doesn’t include making internet phone or video calls, peer to peer file sharing, using your phone as a modem, or while you are abroad and any of these uses will be charged at the per MB data rate for your tariff outlined in our Tariff Table.
cgarvie
11-07-2009, 12:02 PM
Tmobile have a Pay as you go just now thats Top up £10 for the month , and get free texts and free intrernet (40M a day) the next month
but it also says the'll not stamp if you go occasionally over.
People in the UK who are planning to mostly use the N900 for data, and who only make occasional use of voice or SMS, may wish to consider the Virgin PAYG SIM.
Data is 30 pence for each day that you use it, unlimited. Virgin's definition of "unlimited" means up to 25 megabytes (after which there's a steep per-megabyte charge). Or, for £5 from your PAYE balance, you can buy their Mobile Internet Bundle. This runs for a month, and is unlimited. Virgin's definition of "unlimited" means 1 GB, but if you exceed that it seems that you go back on to the 30p per day charge for any days that you use internet over the rest of the month.
I'd rather suggest Vodafone TopUp And Go. It comes in a bundle with USB modem, however you could stick modem on eBay and keep SIM card that gives 1GB of transfer without any time limits for £15 top-up (inital package is already topped up). I am using it myself and I can surely recommend it, and I'm going to use it with N900 when it finally arrives.
I'd rather suggest Vodafone TopUp And Go. It comes in a bundle with USB modem, however you could stick modem on eBay and keep SIM card that gives 1GB of transfer without any time limits for £15 top-up (inital package is already topped up). I am using it myself and I can surely recommend it, and I'm going to use it with N900 when it finally arrives.
Their website suggests this is a data only SIM. Can you confirm if you also get a regular GSM voice number please?
Their website suggests this is a data only SIM. Can you confirm if you also get a regular GSM voice number please?
Yes, this is data-only plan. Voice calls are actually disabled on this plan (although you get a number, of course). Text messages are working OK, afair.
I'm fairly sure the Vodafone PAYG dongle SIMs don't allow you to send text messages. You can receive them OK, of course, but then that doesn't require any billing.
It would be interesting to pair a data only SIM with a VOIP service that provides a normal phone number, but it seems a bit risky - you'd only have voice calling when you had a decent 3G connection, whereas a normal SIM will get you basic GSM voice even in quite poor reception areas.
If it were me, I'd go for the data-only SIM if the N900 was only going to be a computer, and I was going to keep another phone for phone type stuff, but I'm not.
Yes, this is data-only plan. Voice calls are actually disabled on this plan (although you get a number, of course). Text messages are working OK, afair.
That's a shame. I'm looking to replace my E90 Communicator and N810 with the N900 so will require a SIM with voice to port my number to. Although I suppose in theory I could migrate to VoIP...
I'm getting the N900 SIM-free so I'll initially be using my Orange (Virgin OVP) SIM, but hoping to eventually move to a reasonable flexible data plan.
I'm fairly sure the Vodafone PAYG dongle SIMs don't allow you to send text messages. You can receive them OK, of course, but then that doesn't require any billing.
It would be interesting to pair a data only SIM with a VOIP service that provides a normal phone number, but it seems a bit risky - you'd only have voice calling when you had a decent 3G connection, whereas a normal SIM will get you basic GSM voice even in quite poor reception areas.
If it were me, I'd go for the data-only SIM if the N900 was only going to be a computer, and I was going to keep another phone for phone type stuff, but I'm not.
The idea does appeal to me but as you rightly point out too risky, plus can we really trust the network operators not to change their terms and start blocking or applying a surcharge for VoIP or something?
Unless I come across any other offerings, I'll most likely migrate to T-Mobile as their unlimited data plans look to be the most flexible and they don't charge if you exceed their fair usage policy.
If it were me, I'd go for the data-only SIM if the N900 was only going to be a computer, and I was going to keep another phone for phone type stuff, but I'm not.
Yep, that's absolutely fair. Once I get N900 in my hands, I'll put my default voice-plan T-Mobile card into it and see how it works as a default phone, however I don't expect it to be brilliant phone, but brilliant mobile computer in the first place. Plan B is then to keep T-Mobile card in Nokia E71 and use N900 as internet device with Voda TopUp And Go SIM card inside.
kamakazikev24
11-07-2009, 04:49 PM
Looks like this is going to be released on both Orange and o2 on the 16th November! YES!
noelsolutions
11-07-2009, 05:29 PM
Just wondering is the product number this? -->.SKU 10208380 because my order says this and my previous order which is cancelled says SKU 6957363
10208380 Nokia N900 This order has not shipped. 0 0
Order 20th will all 3 discounts.
My order two days before had the old SKU 6957363.
No email or phone call from nokia so my order looks good to go just awaiting the funds to be taken and then I will be a happy bunny lol.
Guyver
11-07-2009, 06:15 PM
Their excuse could be reasonable. My model number is showing SKU 10208380. I ordered with the 3 15% discounts + topcashback on 19th Oct. Haven't recieved any call or email asking me to re-order.
10208380 Nokia N900 This order has not shipped. 0 0
Order 20th will all 3 discounts.
My order two days before had the old SKU 6957363.
No email or phone call from nokia so my order looks good to go just awaiting the funds to be taken and then I will be a happy bunny lol.
That's good then, I guess we have the correct product number with 3x discount codes on our order :D We're set to go for this week coming hopefully :D
chrisp7
11-07-2009, 07:48 PM
Contract
Tmobile - £7.50 pm 1Gb
£12.50 pm - 3Gb
Vodafone - £7.50 pm - 500mb
£15 pm - 3Gb
O2 - £7.34 - 500Mb
Orange - £7.34 - 500Mb
£9.79 -1Gb
New customers - (£4.89 per month for 500MB of anytime mobile internet access)
3 - Not sure?
Tmobile really seems the best (discounting 3 as I cant find separate internet info)
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Is pay and go the better option for data/voice?? (For a user that uses VOIP/streaming - ie relatively heavy user)
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Also anyone on Orange? Whats their data like? Decent connection/ speed? I know o2 are supposed to be pretty poor.
eiffel
11-08-2009, 05:44 AM
Contract
Tmobile - £7.50 pm 1Gb
£7.50 is the price to add data month-by-month (and you can remove it again).
If you're happy to add data for the life of the contract, it's £5 per month with T-Mobile UK.
T Mobile sim only, 1 month contracts over £20 have free 1GB/mo internet included.
edgedemon
11-08-2009, 07:12 AM
Contract
Tmobile - £7.50 pm 1Gb
£12.50 pm - 3Gb
Vodafone - £7.50 pm - 500mb
£15 pm - 3Gb
O2 - £7.34 - 500Mb
Orange - £7.34 - 500Mb
£9.79 -1Gb
New customers - (£4.89 per month for 500MB of anytime mobile internet access)
3 - Not sure?
Tmobile really seems the best (discounting 3 as I cant find separate internet info)
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Is pay and go the better option for data/voice?? (For a user that uses VOIP/streaming - ie relatively heavy user)
---
Also anyone on Orange? Whats their data like? Decent connection/ speed? I know o2 are supposed to be pretty poor.
I have been with Orange for 7yrs now as work pay my contract. I have been very unimpressed with their data network, but Im unsure whether that is down to their network or the cheap orange branded WM handsets we get. Orange Firmware is a dog, they remove any functionality from the phone and replace it with the option for their paid apps, so the first thing I tend to do is wipe the phone and install a custom ROM. I currently have a Samsung i780 running a cooked WM6.5, and the web is so slow I dont bother.
One of the reasons I have bought this phone is for the web experience, so Im going to try Orange for a couple of days, if I dont like it I have a PAC code which I will switch to t-mobile.
Onde thing Orange are though is strict with their data limits, if you go over your tarrif, you will pay the higher data charges, they dont offer the same flexibility other carriers do..
406NotAcceptable
11-08-2009, 07:16 AM
Tmobile have a Pay as you go just now thats Top up £10 for the month , and get free texts and free intrernet (40M a day) the next month
but it also says the'll not stamp if you go occasionally over.
I have had a Tmobile PAYG sim at one time and used the web n walk (when you used to pay per day or in advance for a week) for a few days (waiting for broadband to be installed...) Quite happily used around 200MB a day and nothing happened.
pspbricker
11-08-2009, 07:33 AM
Reading the data plans available in the UK makes me want to cry. I'm in France. Yes, that would make most people cry, but using the frankly strange dataplans over here makes me depressed. SFR's Pay and go has an offer; €69 for a dongle with 3Hrs usage (yes, you are charged by the minute - not megabyte). When you buy it, you have 14 days to post your proof of purchase, along with a copy of your passport, and your proof of residence back to SFR, or else they close your line.
It costs €39 (About £34?) for 15 hours (Fifteen hours) to recharge.
If you want to spring for a full 1 year subscription, you pay €49 per month, and you're limited to 2GB usage per month. You are NOT allowed to put the sim in your phone, NOT allowed to use a router, NOT allowed to use Skype, NOT allowed to use Xbox live nor Playstation online. etc etc.
Other companies such as Orange also charge per minute for pay and go, at a worse deal.
God, I miss the UK....:(
chrisp7
11-08-2009, 07:46 AM
Reading the data plans available in the UK makes me want to cry. I'm in France. Yes, that would make most people cry, but using the frankly strange dataplans over here makes me depressed. SFR's Pay and go has an offer; €69 for a dongle with 3Hrs usage (yes, you are charged by the minute - not megabyte). When you buy it, you have 14 days to post your proof of purchase, along with a copy of your passport, and your proof of residence back to SFR, or else they close your line.
It costs €39 (About £34?) for 15 hours (Fifteen hours) to recharge.
If you want to spring for a full 1 year subscription, you pay €49 per month, and you're limited to 2GB usage per month. You are NOT allowed to put the sim in your phone, NOT allowed to use a router, NOT allowed to use Skype, NOT allowed to use Xbox live nor Playstation online. etc etc.
Other companies such as Orange also charge per minute for pay and go, at a worse deal.
God, I miss the UK....:(
An Android/N900 phone would be v v expensive in France :eek: (constant data connection)
pspbricker
11-08-2009, 07:47 AM
Oh yes, nearly forgot. SFR also offer a 24 hour pass for €8. Which is surely better than €39 for 15 hours right? Wrong. Not in France. The 24hr pass expires at midnight on the day you buy it! So if you buy it at 10 AM you get 14hrs usage before it expires - buy it at 8pm and you get 4 hours usage! So why do they call it a 24 hour pass?
T Mobile sim only, 1 month contracts over £20 have free 1GB/mo internet included.
That's actually the best value-for-money offer in the UK market, imho. However, you still need to fork out over 400 quid for N900...
Contract
Tmobile - £7.50 pm 1Gb
£12.50 pm - 3Gb
Vodafone - £7.50 pm - 500mb
£15 pm - 3Gb
O2 - £7.34 - 500Mb
Orange - £7.34 - 500Mb
£9.79 -1Gb
New customers - (£4.89 per month for 500MB of anytime mobile internet access)
3 - Not sure?
Tmobile really seems the best (discounting 3 as I cant find separate internet info)
What voice/text contract does one have to be on to get these deals?
With 3, AKAICT, the cheapest overall is a £10pm SIM (http://www.three.co.uk/Pay_Monthly/SIM_Only) for 100 any network an unlimited 3-3 minutes and unlimited texts, with the Internet Max (http://www.three.co.uk/Internet_Services/Great_value_Add_ons/Internet_Email?content_aid=1214305768121) add on at £5pm for 1GB.
This, of course, assumes the SIM will work in the N900; hoefully the bug relating to 3 SIMs is near fixing...
EDIT: Looking at T-Mo's SIM only deals (http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/shop/mobile-phones/sim-card/pay-monthly/) is looks like their cheapest is also a tenner a month with 150 x-net minutes and 300 texts. If you're happy with a gig a month's data, 3's cheaper, particularly if you're an inveterate texter or have loads of friends on 3. Of course, if you use GSM voice a lot, your mileage may vary. And we still need the 3 bug fixed...
Sticking with 3, I've just noticed a SIM-only broadband-only deal, £15pm for up to 5GB. Page 6 (looking at Acrobat's page numbering) or 11 (looking at the bottom corner of the page) of this document (http://www.three.co.uk/_standalone/Link_Document?content_aid=1214305748126).
That's actually the best value-for-money offer in the UK market, imho. However, you still need to fork out over 400 quid for N900...
True but then you have the flexibility to upgrade when you want (ie before 2 years) and get a great price back for it on ebay :D
True but then you have the flexibility to upgrade when you want (ie before 2 years) and get a great price back for it on ebay :D
Exactly. Actually, I am on Solo20 myself right now and if I wasn't low on budget I'd go for SIM-free N900 and keep current tariff! But well, that's life...
Indeed its such great value for money!
600 Any Network Mins, Unlimited Texts, 1GB/mo Data (No overcharging) = £20! http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/shop/mobile-phones/sim-card/pay-monthly/pay-monthly-solo/solo-20/allowances/
True but then you have the flexibility to upgrade when you want (ie before 2 years) and get a great price back for it on ebay :D
Isn't the free phone upgrades option only available on the 12/18/24 month contracts, and not the 30-day ones?
I'm probably just mixing up "upgrade" with "buying a new sim-free phone", and ebaying my current one. :confused:
Isn't the free phone upgrades option only available on the 12/18/24 month contracts, and not the 30-day ones?
I'm probably just mixing up "upgrade" with "buying a new sim-free phone", and ebaying my current one. :confused:
Yeah thats my point ae0n. See my post above about the T Mobile deal makes sim free a very attractive option.
Yeah, no it certainly does! And now I'm kinda torn between that, and O2's similar simplicity deal, with (apparently) the 2gb limit, as opposed to T-Mobile's 1gb.
Not too fussed about the texts'.
Yeah, no it certainly does! And now I'm kinda torn between that, and O2's similar simplicity deal, with (apparently) the 2gb limit, as opposed to T-Mobile's 1gb.
Not too fussed about the texts'.
If it's any help, o2 in their terms and conditions is 1Gb/mo and will charge you extra if you go over the limit, where t-mobile will not. Although I can't say if o2 are strict on this.
As far as im aware T-Mobile 3G coverage is superior the o2's aswell.
Although if you have been with o2 awhile thats fair enough.
matikjn
11-08-2009, 04:26 PM
The O2 terms and conditions say they will contact you first, and I haven't found where it says 1GB (although it is probably 1 not 2GB)
If O2 reasonably suspects you are not acting in accordance with this policy O2 reserves the right to impose network protection controls which may reduce your speed of transmission, remove O2 Mobile Broadband or Wi-Fi from your account or disconnect your tariff at any time, having attempted to contact you first.
http://www.o2.co.uk/termsandconditions/broadband
T-mobile don't have 3G coverage where I live, but 3 and O2 do. If the 3 sim card issue isn't fixed I'll probably go with O2 simplicity until it is. 3 is very attractive if the 3 skype client becomes available for the n900, as you will then be able to use skype completly free and unlimited.
Yeah, no it certainly does! And now I'm kinda torn between that, and O2's similar simplicity deal, with (apparently) the 2gb limit, as opposed to T-Mobile's 1gb.
Think about it - are you *really* going to use that much of allowance each month?
Guys, "pre-order" prices mean nothing in the UK. They contact you when the device is actually available, and quote you the current price which you can then choose to accept or reject.
The Nokia Shop says if the price is lower between the time you pre-order and when it is shipped, they will charge you the lower price.
On the other hand, the terms and conditions also allow them to change their mind about an order placed through the site, in case they accidentally gave the wrong price. They seem to have applied that when correcting some pre-orders that were made with multiple discount codes (in fact making it a better deal for the customer), and dishonoured cashback referral agreements in the process (not so good).
Think about it - are you *really* going to use that much of allowance each month?
Oh of course. You can hardly fit a couple of movies into 1GB, let alone follow a weekly hour-long TV show, keep on top of those Debian updates, and upload every photo and video you take to the net :-)
Seriously, I've only gone over my 1GB/mo allowance on a regular phone once, when I was downloading an Ubuntu CD over it to a laptop, over night.
But that was in the days where phones didn't have 32GB storage themselves, and didn't have (semi) HD video, and you didn't send texts as casually as you do with IMs (due to price), and IMs didn't include video.
Even just the keepalive messages (pings) for each online connection in the IM client may add up to >100MB per month, if you have several accounts with different providers.
406NotAcceptable
11-08-2009, 06:15 PM
True but then you have the flexibility to upgrade when you want (ie before 2 years) and get a great price back for it on ebay :D
Still, the £35 (+£53 for N900) and £40 (+£20~) pm 12 month contracts on MPD worked out at a better deal. The first got you everything for £450. Unless you were lucky enough to get the N900 for £300 thanks to Nokia's loopwhole, sim free deals can't match this for value/service.
Regarding using so much data, I find myself using anywhere between 500MB and 2GB a month using just my G1. You could easily use 100MB in 10/20 minutes of browsing Newgrounds, Youtube, or if it works the IPlayer. With Tethering this obviously can get even higher!
^^.. Ditto.
Granted, that may not be the case for the average 3G user, but it's certainly the case for me, and others.
Still, the £35 (+£53 for N900) and £40 (+£20~) pm 12 month contracts on MPD worked out at a better deal. The first got you everything for £450. Unless you were lucky enough to get the N900 for £300 thanks to Nokia's loopwhole, sim free deals can't match this for value/service.
Regarding using so much data, I find myself using anywhere between 500MB and 2GB a month using just my G1. You could easily use 100MB in 10/20 minutes of browsing Newgrounds, Youtube, or if it works the IPlayer. With Tethering this obviously can get even higher!
Sure you save some in the financial sense going that route but I was talking about complete flexibility. Which subjectively has differing amounts of value assigned to it from person to person, which can be more or less than the money saved.
Think about it - are you *really* going to use that much of allowance each month?
I think one of the big factors is how much you can use other connections. I confidently expect to shift several GB/month in and out of the N900, but at home it'll be on WiFi, at work it'll be on WiFi, and an awful lot of cafes and even some of the buses round here have WiFi.
I think that the amount of time that I'm reliant on 3G and still needing to move a serious amount of data will be minimal, but I can certainly see the high usage contracts being helpful for people that spend more time away from fixed locations with usable networks.
I think one of the big factors is how much you can use other connections. I confidently expect to shift several GB/month in and out of the N900, but at home it'll be on WiFi, at work it'll be on WiFi, and an awful lot of cafes and even some of the buses round here have WiFi.
Fair enough.
Around here in Oxford very few places have free Wifi, and I don't spend much time at home or in the office, so I use 3G about as much as Wifi.
Or, I would, if 3's service was more reliable! :-) It goes up and down like a yo yo; when it's up at full strength that doesn't mean any data will actually flow through it; they have weird packet MTU issues depending on which port's being used (and don't report it properly through DHCP), and then there's the deep signal shadows that seem to be in every interesting cafe, especially in the comfy spots! (Not to mention a complete lack of 3 signal in my girlfriend's basement flat, in a supposedly "very good" signal area).
Over in North Wales at my mum's house, the 3 signal varies from 0% in her house, to high strength exceptionally fast data, by walking a couple of metres down the road. Walk a few more metres and it's back to 0% again, not even calls and texts. You can map out the local ripples with a short walk. Unfortunately, they move over a period of minutes, so it's hard to keep a call going :-( Methinks it's a symptom of insufficient frequency diversity.
I've been told recently in a 3 shop that they are merging infrastructure with T-Mobile over the next year, which should improve coverage for both sets of customers. It is the reason 3 have a map claiming their coverage will greatly improve over the coming year. I've seen it written often that T-Mobile's coverage is among the best, so I'm looking forward to that.
Advice on coverage maps from 3, Orange, and probably everyone else:
(a) Don't believe them; they don't show the variability. Oxford is classed as "very good" yet I have signal problems all over the place with 3, and did have to a lesser extent with Orange. It is highly variable. (I dropped Orange due to terribly poor data support 2 years ago). 3's map of the area in North Wales where my mum and grandmother lives shows a great signal, which it is - provided you're standing in the right spot on the right side of the hill. You really do get the 2.8Mbps there. Yet, indoors when visiting people in outlying villages, I found even sending and receiving texts would not be available for hours, and voice calls were out of the question. Despite the maps showing good coverage there.
(b) They are measured in terms of "percentage population covered". *Not* percentage of the places you will visit. In other words, good coverage in high population areas only is what "99% population coverage" means.
I've been told recently in a 3 shop that they are merging infrastructure with T-Mobile over the next year, which should improve coverage for both sets of customers. It is the reason 3 have a map claiming their coverage will greatly improve over the coming year. I've seen it written often that T-Mobile's coverage is among the best, so I'm looking forward to that.
I am using T-Mobile for nearly 3 years now, and I am not always that impressed. Yes, there is very good coverage both at home (base station just 200 meters away) and work, but where I use mobile web most - on the Tube, that is - isn't that perfect. However, I am also quite convinced it's also a matter of rather crappy radio hardware that Nokia E71 has (!), hence I am looking forward to see how things will get with N900. Anyway, I once created this: http://adl.pl/tmobile_coverage.phtml - and submitted to T-Mobile directly, however no feedback, whatsoever...
Speaking of merging Three and T-Mobile infrastructure - personally, I can't see that happening. I know a spot close to my house where both T-M and Three have two separate base stations (lamp-post masts), about 50 meters apart from each other. Once they announced merger (two years ago that was?), I thought that particular and obvious spot will get merged as one of the first, yet nothing has happened so far...
Btw, DO NOT ever believe in coverage maps on network websites! These never take many aspects under consideration, and nobody will actually be able to tell whether you'll get good/bad coverage until you check this yourself. Would you ever imagine that T-Mobile has barely any coverage within Nokia Flagship Store at Regent Street (deep inside, next to checkouts), in the middle of London??? I couldn't believe that either...
Does anyone have an solid sources comparing the 3G networks of the main providers they can share?
richie
11-09-2009, 08:53 AM
Does anyone have an solid sources comparing the 3G networks of the main providers they can share?
Ofcom, has a PDF on this webpage,
http://www.ofcom.org.uk/radiocomms/ifi/licensing/classes/broadband/cellular/3g/maps/3gmaps/
Rich
andygt
11-09-2009, 11:04 AM
Has anyone managed to find any new tmobile deals?
The Orange and O2 ones from buymobilephones have now dissapeared (and they were awful) and the MPD vodaphone are poor when compared to the tmobile ones they were offering.
Strange no one else is offering pre orders.
Has anyone managed to find any new tmobile deals?
The Orange and O2 ones from buymobilephones have now dissapeared (and they were awful) and the MPD vodaphone are poor when compared to the tmobile ones they were offering.
Strange no one else is offering pre orders.
This is because no provider is officially selling the N900 themselves as of yet. The only contract deals currently floating around are from third party companies who are tagging providers normal deals on top of the device.
Oh and I agree the current contract subsidised deals are awful, I for one dont want to be bonded for two years.
speculatrix
11-09-2009, 01:15 PM
Or, I would, if 3's service was more reliable! :-) It goes up and down like a yo yo; when it's up at full strength that doesn't mean any data will actually flow through it
Hutchison 3G have been combining their network with T-Mobile's in the UK, and O2 with Voda's - it's mainly an exercise in cost reduction.
So far here in Cambridgeshire it's not affected me much if at all, but then T-M didn't have much coverage outside the city. I would guess that in London there'd be a lot more changes to consolidate base station coverage.
Fundamentally, though, 3G at 2.1GHz is "broken" in that it's not really the best frequency for a mobile service - even GSM at 1.8GHz suffered from the problems of getting good RF coverage, and 2.1GHz is worse - signal absorbtion by trees, walls etc. I'm hoping that operators will be allowed to run 3G services over the GSM spectrum at some point, but it probably won't happen to maintain the stitch-up that was the original massive licensing costs of the 3G auctions.
Oops, went off in a tangent. back on track...
so, with 3G, yes, you'll find it unreliable except near windows and outside.
so, with 3G, yes, you'll find it unreliable except near windows and outside.
Unless, of course, there is a 3G base station (aka NodeB) relatively near to your place...
Has anyone preordered the N900 SIM FREE from MPD and got a solid date on shipping? Many thanks :)
Has anyone preordered the N900 SIM FREE from MPD and got a solid date on shipping? Many thanks :)
MPD's expected shipping date is 16/11
Looks like 16th is looking very good, CEO announced N900 have started shipping early this morning.
dreadnought
11-10-2009, 05:11 AM
Looks like 16th is looking very good, CEO announced N900 have started shipping early this morning.
I'm kinda hoping that they might get it earlier and ship it off quicker than that...after all, they did claim that they were going to be the first ones in the country to have it...we'll see
I'm kinda hoping that they might get it earlier and ship it off quicker than that...after all, they did claim that they were going to be the first ones in the country to have it...we'll see
Here is to hoping! :D
Looks like 16th is looking very good, CEO announced N900 have started shipping early this morning.
If I've had N900 to play with for this weekend, I'd be in heaven! :D
stamenkd
11-10-2009, 06:30 AM
http://conversations.nokia.com/2009/11/10/nokia-n900-begins-shipping/
Nokia has begun shipping, presumably to retailers..
Any ideas how long it would take to get to MPD then to us? Is Friday too optimistic?
http://conversations.nokia.com/2009/11/10/nokia-n900-begins-shipping/
Nokia has begun shipping, presumably to retailers..
Any ideas how long it would take to get to MPD then to us? Is Friday too optimistic?
MPD chat transcript, just seconds ago:
Dawid says:
i've just read the news that Nokia N900 has started shipping
Dawid says:
does that mean ordes at MPD will get shipped very soon too?
Webshop Customer Help says:
it means it is being shipped from Finland and wil be in UK soon, it has to go through several stages prior to us receiving them
Dawid says:
what is expected shipping to customers date then?
Webshop Customer Help says:
mid novmber 16th 17th ish
Dawid says:
ok, so no chance for this weekend then... :(
Webshop Customer Help says:
no, afraid not
Dawid says:
ok, thanks
stamenkd
11-10-2009, 06:38 AM
hehe I just had a similar conversation, poor guys they're going to be inundated with chats
stamenkd
11-10-2009, 06:39 AM
MPD chat transcript, just seconds ago:
Dawid says:
....
Webshop Customer Help says:
it means it is being shipped from Finland and wil be in UK soon, it has to go through several stages prior to us receiving them
....
Do they actually ship from Finland or China?
Or, I would, if 3's service was more reliable! :-) It goes up and down like a yo yo; when it's up at full strength that doesn't mean any data will actually flow through it
Fundamentally, though, 3G at 2.1GHz is "broken" in that it's not really the best frequency for a mobile service - even GSM at 1.8GHz suffered from the problems of getting good RF coverage, and 2.1GHz is worse - signal absorbtion by trees, walls etc. I'm hoping that operators will be allowed to run 3G services over the GSM spectrum at some point, but it probably won't happen to maintain the stitch-up that was the original massive licensing costs of the 3G auctions.
I agree, it's not the best RF. The signal varies so much as you walk a few metres inside and outside, like it's oscillating with position, which implies interference patterns.
Absorption will certainly make that worse, but it's also an issue of band diversity: More diversity (even using the same aggregate bandwidth) would tend smooth out the peaks and troughs in reception. If the operators collaborated better they could have the same slice of the pie each as they do now, but make the reception more consistent for everyone.
Still, none of this explains why 3 sometimes shows great reception but little or no data throughput!
Another problem with 3, at the moment, is they really don't like you using 2G mode, because that uses their partner networks and costs them. So all the 3 phones I've used to date will lock onto a very weak 3G signal rather than a great 2G signal - even just for calls and texts. The result is poor reception in those circumstances.
That's something which might conceivably get better with the T-Mobile infrastructure merge - because T-Mobile have 2G hardware themselves, and 3 clearly don't.
Not that any 3 discussion matters while the N900 won't work with 3 USIMs! :(
That's something which might conceivably get better with the T-Mobile infrastructure merge - because T-Mobile have 2G hardware themselves, and 3 clearly don't.
I don't believe that deal with T-Mobile means that Three will start using T-M's 2G infrastructure, as they don't have the license to use 2G spectrum. Three will only use 3G through merged T-M's sites, remaining within 2G roaming deal with Orange (ultimately T-Orange).
dtrouton
11-10-2009, 07:51 AM
Well the comment from Peter@maemo was that it's "some newer 3 Sims", which implies that it might not be a complete black out (as someone with a 3Sim which is a few years old, I'd really like to have this confirmed!)
dreadnought
11-10-2009, 08:30 AM
MPD chat transcript, just seconds ago:
Dawid says:
i've just read the news that Nokia N900 has started shipping
Dawid says:
does that mean ordes at MPD will get shipped very soon too?
Webshop Customer Help says:
it means it is being shipped from Finland and wil be in UK soon, it has to go through several stages prior to us receiving them
Dawid says:
what is expected shipping to customers date then?
Webshop Customer Help says:
mid novmber 16th 17th ish
Dawid says:
ok, so no chance for this weekend then... :(
Webshop Customer Help says:
no, afraid not
Dawid says:
ok, thanks
until this morning I was quite happy about getting my phone on the 16th from MPD (I honestly thought it was going to be delayed again anyhow!). But now, knowing that folks are going to be getting them in the next day or so makes the wait over the next 6 or 7 days seem like an eternity.....
Venomrush
11-10-2009, 08:32 AM
"When the N900 launches it’ll be compatible with most networks, although it won’t initially be available on new 3G SIM cards from 3 in the UK, Ireland, Sweden, Denmark and Austria – a software update is in the pipeline and is slated to become available before the end of the year."
until this morning I was quite happy about getting my phone on the 16th from MPD (I honestly thought it was going to be delayed again anyhow!). But now, knowing that folks are going to be getting them in the next day or so makes the wait over the next 6 or 7 days seem like an eternity.....
I'm starting to consider following idea: pop-out to Nokia Flagship Store, which is just 10 minute walking distance from my work, if N900 is in stock there, cancel MPD online order and buy the same MPD contract within store itself. That way I might get my N900 before this weekend. Hmmm... ;)
dreadnought
11-10-2009, 08:38 AM
I'm starting to consider following idea: pop-out to Nokia Flagship Store, which is just 10 minute walking distance from my work, if N900 is in stock there, cancel MPD online order and buy the same MPD contract within store itself. That way I might get my N900 before this weekend. Hmmm... ;)
Did you order the vodafone or the T-mobile contract with MPD?
Did you order the vodafone or the T-mobile contract with MPD?
I've got T-Mobile when these deals were still available.
you think the nokia main store will do those third party contracts with based with T Mobile? I was assuming it will be on sale but sim free only from there.
dreadnought
11-10-2009, 09:06 AM
I've got T-Mobile when these deals were still available.
Me too. I'm wondering though whether the flagship store will have that deal though, considering that MPD said that they have filled their quota for T-mobile orders.
you think the nokia main store will do those third party contracts with based with T Mobile? I was assuming it will be on sale but sim free only from there.
Nope, MPD is excusively offering contracts within NFS itself. I have confirmed that personally when I was there last week (and got surprised a bit too!).
If they will be able to offer the same deal for T-Mobile in-store as they did on website before this weekend, then the choice is simple. :) Otherwise I'll wait for delivery from website.
Rcampbell
11-10-2009, 09:45 AM
Hey guys,
New member here - decided to register and post after lurking for a few weeks.
I'm new to buying contracts online and don't know what to do. I have a N95 8GB currently on Vodafone, with the contract due to end very soon.
Should I buy one on MPD as an "upgrade" option or as a new contract (I'm not bothered about keeping my number)
Any help would greatly appreciated :)
Cheers,
Rhos.
Nope, MPD is excusively offering contracts within NFS itself. I have confirmed that personally when I was there last week (and got surprised a bit too!).
If they will be able to offer the same deal for T-Mobile in-store as they did on website before this weekend, then the choice is simple. :) Otherwise I'll wait for delivery from website.
Please let me know if they are :)
Big Phat Jan
11-10-2009, 12:08 PM
I just had an interesting phone call with the London Nokia Flagship store.
They have two contracts available for the N900:
T-mobile:
Cost: £35pm (handset free of charge)
Contract duration: 18 months
X-net minutes: 700
Texts: Unlimited
Mobile Web: Unlimited (FUP 1Gb/m)
Vodafone:
Cost: £35pm (handset free of charge)
Contract duration: 24 months
X-net minutes: 600
Texts: Unlimited
Mobile Web: Unlimited (FUP 500Mb/m)
T-mobile seems a clear winner, right? Well, maybe not. The chap I spoke to said that the T-mobile phones will be both locked to the T-mobile network, and operator branded. He confirmed that this meant T-mobile will release their own version of the firmware, and nokia provided firmware will not work. Vodafone will be completely unbranded / unlocked.
I don't mind a network lock so much, but the operator branding just isn't acceptable, especially without knowing how easy it will be to circumvent. Then again, I suspect the employee I talked to gets a better commission on Vodafone sales... What are the chances he doesn't have his facts straight?
Either way, all of you with MPD T-mobile contracts might want to get a bit nervous! :D
MPD told me 2 weeks ago theres no branded or provider specific software on their N900s
hellomezzy
11-10-2009, 12:26 PM
I'm starting to consider following idea: pop-out to Nokia Flagship Store, which is just 10 minute walking distance from my work, if N900 is in stock there, cancel MPD online order and buy the same MPD contract within store itself. That way I might get my N900 before this weekend. Hmmm... ;)
I called the flagship store directly about an hour ago. They still have no idea there... the salesperson said it should be available this month....
T-mobile seems a clear winner, right? Well, maybe not. The chap I spoke to said that the T-mobile phones will be both locked to the T-mobile network, and operator branded. He confirmed that this meant T-mobile will release their own version of the firmware, and nokia provided firmware will not work. Vodafone will be completely unbranded / unlocked.
I don't believe that, tbh. If that was the case, the T-Mobile would most likely be selling N900 directly through their sales channels, not through 3rd party retailers like MPD. Why T-Mobile would ever bother customising/locking a handset they don't actually sell themselves (unless they ARE planning to do so, which might also be the case - who knows)? Also, before I placed an order with MPD, I've called them specifically asking about simlock status, they confirmed there will be no lock on the handset.
Nonetheless, that is getting interesting and I am really curious what the final outcome will be!
Big Phat Jan
11-10-2009, 12:51 PM
I don't believe that, tbh.
I hope you're right! I'm just reporting what the Nokia Flagship Store employee told me (at 15:49 GMT according to my phone log). It lost him a sale so I can't really see why he'd make it up, beyond being honestly mistaken of course.
I'm sure it will all sort itself out soon enough.
Cheers,
Jan
I hope you're right! I'm just reporting what the Nokia Flagship Store employee told me (at 15:49 GMT according to my phone log). It lost him a sale so I can't really see why he'd make it up, beyond being honestly mistaken of course.
I'll pop down to NFS tomorrow lunchtime perhaps, so I'll keep you guys updated with latest news on the matter. ;)
andygt
11-10-2009, 01:05 PM
Does the NFS deliver or is it in store purchases only?
Does the NFS deliver or is it in store purchases only?
In store only, me thinks.
dansus
11-10-2009, 01:24 PM
I hope you're right! I'm just reporting what the Nokia Flagship Store employee told me (at 15:49 GMT according to my phone log). It lost him a sale so I can't really see why he'd make it up, beyond being honestly mistaken of course.
I'm sure it will all sort itself out soon enough.
Cheers,
Jan
They are clueless in the store, i wouldnt take anything they say as gospel.
dreadnought
11-10-2009, 06:52 PM
Just seen this reported in another thread, but MPD's website seems to have completely removed all trace of the N900. The thumbnail of the device exists on this page:
http://www.mobilephonesdirect.co.uk/Brands/Nokia/b434.aspx
But when you click on it, up comes an error page. I wonder what's going on!
Just seen this reported in another thread, but MPD's website seems to have completely removed all trace of the N900. The thumbnail of the device exists on this page:
http://www.mobilephonesdirect.co.uk/Brands/Nokia/b434.aspx
But when you click on it, up comes an error page. I wonder what's going on!
Guess you caught it during redesign or something as there is now a huge N900 image on the homepage!
http://www.mobilephonesdirect.co.uk/common/img/banners/n900.jpg
The linked page says "Available on: Vodafone"
No mentions of other networks or any contract deals, just a Coming Soon box:
This phone is currently not available for purchase. Call 0845 470 4000 or visit a store to pre-order.
Spudboy
11-10-2009, 09:33 PM
That N900 banner has been there for a while.
I'm guessing they are doing the same thing as Amazon UK... too many people pre-ordering online. Guess they want to limit / control orders since they are backed up the wazoo.
DannStarr
11-10-2009, 09:38 PM
I'm feeling pretty lucky, cancelled my order elsewhere and ordered from them on the 9th
Venomrush
11-10-2009, 10:00 PM
I'm feeling pretty lucky, cancelled my order elsewhere and ordered from them on the 9th
Ordered from where? Nokia Online Store?
DannStarr
11-10-2009, 11:29 PM
Ordered from where? Nokia Online Store?
Originally I had my order with super e trader, but on the 9th I cancelled that and ordered with MPD
Just seen this reported in another thread, but MPD's website seems to have completely removed all trace of the N900. The thumbnail of the device exists on this page:
http://www.mobilephonesdirect.co.uk/Brands/Nokia/b434.aspx
But when you click on it, up comes an error page. I wonder what's going on!
That's what this is: http://www.nokiaretail.co.uk/
shadow12
11-11-2009, 06:39 AM
I have also a transcript of my conversation with MPD and they said that the phone will be unlocked and unbranded (on T-mobile). If not, well the phone will find its way back to them.
Kieron
11-11-2009, 08:32 AM
http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/vodafone-uk-first-to-stock-nokia-n900--648923
Vodafone UK first to stock?
Ooooh?!
http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/vodafone-uk-first-to-stock-nokia-n900--648923
Vodafone UK first to stock?
Ooooh?!
Right. While I was on the phone with T-Mobile's CS couple of weeks ago asking for PAC code, the lady asked me what phone I am after. I told N900, so she said that in their internal system that phone is listed as exclusive to Orange. I've double checked with her if she's looking at Nokia en-nine-zero-zero - yes she was.
Tbh, I am not concerned at all with any rumours whatsoever, just waiting for my MPD order to be successfully fulfulled within next few days, really. Fingers crossed!
Kieron
11-11-2009, 08:46 AM
Right. While I was on the phone with T-Mobile's CS couple of weeks ago asking for PAC code, the lady asked me what phone I am after. I told N900, so she said that in their internal system that phone is listed as exclusive to Orange. I've double checked with her if she's looking at Nokia en-nine-zero-zero - yes she was.
Tbh, I am not concerned at all with any rumours whatsoever, just waiting for my MPD order to be successfully fulfulled within next few days, really. Fingers crossed!
Who did you opt with? Voda or simfree?
Hope I have it before the N900 meetup :D
eiffel
11-11-2009, 10:12 AM
That's what this is: http://www.nokiaretail.co.uk/
The best news is that the Vodafone PAYG price has gone back down to £393 (having started there, then changed to £449 for a few weeks). Add £4 shipping.
http://www.nokiaretail.co.uk/
(Click on "View more tariffs")
Just spoken to NFS over the phone, sellable stock of N900 is expected next week. Will try tomorrow again. :)
Dancairo
11-11-2009, 10:40 AM
My First Post..
I've been lurking here for a few weeks now and have gathered lots of useful info, thanks all.
Just wanted to say that i called 3 today to get my PAC code in preparation for my n900...i was offered an N97 which the guy said was "virtually the same" as the n900!!!! i nearly sprayed tea all over my screen!!
When i asked him to elaborate he said it was "basically the same hardware"
So, you've all been lying to me then? :-)
Dan
thiswayup
11-11-2009, 10:47 AM
My 2p worth.
I checked with MPD before I bought it. All of their phones are "Sim Free" I could only get it on a vodafone contract though.
andygt
11-11-2009, 11:50 AM
Right. While I was on the phone with T-Mobile's CS couple of weeks ago asking for PAC code, the lady asked me what phone I am after. I told N900, so she said that in their internal system that phone is listed as exclusive to Orange. I've double checked with her if she's looking at Nokia en-nine-zero-zero - yes she was.
Tbh, I am not concerned at all with any rumours whatsoever, just waiting for my MPD order to be successfully fulfulled within next few days, really. Fingers crossed!
Just been on the phone to Orange retentions and they have no information on when or if Orange will be selling the N900 direct.
Got offered a great deal with an N97 mini but think I'll hold out for the 900.
The best news is that the Vodafone PAYG price has gone back down to £393 (having started there, then changed to £449 for a few weeks). Add £4 shipping.
http://www.nokiaretail.co.uk/
(Click on "View more tariffs")
Is Vodafone unbranded and no own software?
plus is the N900 easy to unlock?
No SIM FREE on MPD now :( Was ordering today aswell...
Kieron
11-11-2009, 12:09 PM
Is Vodafone unbranded and no own software?
plus is the N900 easy to unlock?
No SIM FREE on MPD now :( Was ordering today aswell...
I believe they're all unbranded...
No SIM FREE on MPD now :( Was ordering today aswell...
Don't think too long and take MPD's pay as you go for £393 - bargain price and handset is unlocked/unbranded!
jaark
11-11-2009, 12:13 PM
Still, none of this explains why 3 sometimes shows great reception but little or no data throughput!
Unfortunately, the signal indicators on phones are generally pretty deceptive. They only show signal strength and do not give an indication of snr (signal to noise ratio). It is perfectly possible to have a strong, but unusable signal and your phone won't tell you.
Fargus
11-11-2009, 12:15 PM
Unfortunately, the signal indicators on phones are generally pretty deceptive. They only show signal strength and do not give an indication of snr (signal to noise ratio). It is perfectly possible to have a strong, but unusable signal and your phone won't tell you.
Now the question is, can we determine the level of noise and useable signal? If so then maybe this is a widget waiting to happen? Suppose the other potential measure is that of throughput or number of cell requests issued by the phone - is this information available to the software stack?
Might be nice to be able to do this for each operator visibile - be interesting to see if another provider gives a better signal in locations relevant to the individual too.
evad please check your PMs :) Thanks
The best news is that the Vodafone PAYG price has gone back down to £393 (having started there, then changed to £449 for a few weeks). Add £4 shipping.
http://www.nokiaretail.co.uk/
(Click on "View more tariffs")
Bad news, just got off the phone to MPD about this deal.
MPD have stopped sim free versions and the PAYG version is locked to vodaphone as it comes with the PAYG sim to use. Whether or not that means it is branded aswell wasnt made clear but its defiantly locked :(
eiffel
11-11-2009, 12:33 PM
Is Vodafone unbranded and no own software?
Everyone who asked the MPD sales staff was told that the Vodafone PAYG deal is an unlocked N900 plus a Vodafone PAYG SIM Card, but it wouldn't hurt to ask again when you pay over your money.
(Edit: it seems what I said above is obsoleted by JBax's post to the contrary.)
rash.m2k
11-11-2009, 12:36 PM
Unfortunately, the signal indicators on phones are generally pretty deceptive. They only show signal strength and do not give an indication of snr (signal to noise ratio). It is perfectly possible to have a strong, but unusable signal and your phone won't tell you.
I can't get my head around this.
SNR and signal strength both depend on the amount of errors within the bit stream. Therefore a low strength signal will be easily corrupted and the phone will show this. The phone obviously tries to reduce the speed at which its operating (e.g. 3G to 2G, Edge to 2G etc.) in an attempt to decrease the amount of uncorrectable errors.
On the other hand if you have a strong signal and high SNR, then you will still get corrupted bits - and so the phone will still try and reduce the speed at which it is communicating with the tower.
Ultimately - SNR and signal strength go hand in hand. The way I see it a phone cannot have strong but unusable signal? Especially with 3G/UMTS signals where it must decode the bitstream with it's own key (3G uses DSSS - hence constant power adjustment reduces battery life).
Feel free to enlighten me.
Well, this isnt good for those who have yet to place orders. There are others like Handtec offering the phone at around £440-50 mark but they have no clue when they are getting the batch after emailing them 3 days ago. So the logical guess is the 30/11 like most more expensive others :(
Well, this isnt good for those who have yet to place orders. There are others like Handtec offering the phone at around £440-50 mark but they have no clue when they are getting the batch after emailing them 3 days ago. So the logical guess is the 30/11 like most more expensive others :(
MPD has 7 days returns policy, so you might trying to place the order for payg handset, when it comes and turnes out it's locked, then return it. Done.
However once you've been told they ARE actually locked (which is strange, tbh), then I'm not sure if return would work...
MPD has 7 days returns policy, so you might trying to place the order for payg handset, when it comes and turnes out it's locked, then return it. Done.
However once you've been told they ARE actually locked (which is strange, tbh), then I'm not sure if return would work...
I'm not going to risk it to be honest. Tried the online chat route aswell and the guy confirmed it will be locked. Although he got annoyed when I asked if this was a physical lock to the network or just part of the contract Vodafone has told MPD to sell it as. He just said the word locked.
I agree it looks weird as Nokia said the handsets would be unlocked from the start but dont want to risk it when I dont have enough certainty.
UPDATE: MPD Chat member said the sim free version should be back in a few days (guessing after the 500 or so pre orders they have for it have been dealt with). Dont know whether to believe him though with 2 MPD sources in direct conflict.
Hope this helps anyone in the same situation as me :)
jaark
11-11-2009, 01:04 PM
Now the question is, can we determine the level of noise and useable signal? If so then maybe this is a widget waiting to happen?
Obviously it depends on what data the radio provides to user software - I have no idea if it does pass this sort of thing.
I can't get my head around this.
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Feel free to enlighten me.
I was pretty much paraphrasing my understanding of an article I read a couple of years ago - I've had a quick look, but can't find it right now. I'm no radio comms expert but I do know that signal field strength and the snr are two different and independent things and that the snr can fluctuate but the field strength stays fairly constant with a static receiver and transmitter.
jjx was aking why he had a strong signal indicator (which only shows signal field strength) but very poor data throughput - a situation that can easily be explained by noise affecting transmission.
DannStarr
11-11-2009, 01:05 PM
It may make sense that the handset would actually be locked too as vodafone are rumoured to be the first uk network to officially offer the handset
andygt
11-11-2009, 01:06 PM
I found the MPD employees to be very unproffesional when using the chat function:
Me: Hi, can you tell me if you will be offering the N900 Tmobile contracts again in the future?
MPD: Doubt it.
MPD: Get it on Vodaphone.
I'm not going to risk it to be honest. Tried the online chat route aswell and the guy confirmed it will be locked. Although he got annoyed when I asked if this was a physical lock to the network or just part of the contract Vodafone has told MPD to sell it as. He just said the word locked.
If I were you, I'd go for SIM-free handset from handtec.co.uk. Slightly more expensive, but peace of mind is included free. ;)
rash.m2k
11-11-2009, 01:18 PM
Obviously it depends on what data the radio provides to user software - I have no idea if it does pass this sort of thing.
I was pretty much paraphrasing my understanding of an article I read a couple of years ago - I've had a quick look, but can't find it right now. I'm no radio comms expert but I do know that signal field strength and the snr are two different and independent things and that the snr can fluctuate but the field strength stays fairly constant with a static receiver and transmitter.
jjx was aking why he had a strong signal indicator (which only shows signal field strength) but very poor data throughput - a situation that can easily be explained by noise affecting transmission.
Yes, SNR and signal strength are different things. Bu I would think that the signal bar you see on your phone is a combination of SNR and Signal strength.
My reasoning is that since the signal is encrypted (with 3G/UMTS) you must first decrypt the signal before you can determine if it's strong or not. Therefore with a high SNR you can't decrypt it properly and nor can you with low quality signal - so I think half of your initial assumption was incorrect, signal bars on phones are not deceptive, they do give you correct information about the 'overall' signal quality, but they don't make the distinction between SNR and signal quality.
On a separate note perhaps jjx was experiencing low data throughput because there were lots of other people using data within his location? With RF bandwidth being such a scarce resource, I would assume the contention ratio would be much much higher than say normal broadband.
A good intellectual debate I'd say ;), better than some of the mindless posts on here. :p
I found the MPD employees to be very unproffesional when using the chat function:
Me: Hi, can you tell me if you will be offering the N900 Tmobile contracts again in the future?
MPD: Doubt it.
MPD: Get it on Vodaphone.
Unprofessional and infact rude and patronising to me :mad:
Almost take a defensive stand point when asked searching questions beyond the ignorant sheep ones.
On a separate note perhaps jjx was experiencing low data throughput because there were lots of other people using data within his location? With RF bandwidth being such a scarce resource, I would assume the contention ratio would be much much higher than say normal broadband.
3G has a feature of "breathing cell", which means that more people are using given cell, less area it can supply with good coverage. This is what I observe on quite regular basis while commuting daily - when train is packed, using internet over 3G is sometimes pretty painful...
A good intellectual debate I'd say ;), better than some of the mindless posts on here. :p
Yes indeed (I am a great fan of techie-side of mobile technology, in fact), however I don't think we're exactly on-topic here. :)
ddracopo
11-11-2009, 02:36 PM
I received an email from MPD yesterday, stating that the Vodafone contract based handset will be unlocked and unbranded.
I received an email from MPD yesterday, stating that the Vodafone contract based handset will be unlocked and unbranded.
We are talking about the PAYG version which is alot cheaper.
Kieron
11-11-2009, 03:36 PM
We are talking about the PAYG version which is alot cheaper.
Therefore buying it on Contract will not be locked to Vodafone only SIMs??
noelsolutions
11-11-2009, 06:48 PM
Still happy with my £331.79 with 3 discounts including Express delivery and extra battery. £392.99 is a good deal would rather spend a little extra and get a sim free version.
MPD is a company I would never use again they was really poor when I got my TP2 and N97 from them. There on my list of internet stores to never use again.
dreadnought
11-11-2009, 07:00 PM
Still happy with my £331.79 with 3 discounts including Express delivery and extra battery. £392.99 is a good deal would rather spend a little extra and get a sim free version.
MPD is a company I would never use again they was really poor when I got my TP2 and N97 from them. There on my list of internet stores to never use again.
What exactly was it about MPD that was a problem? I've ordered from them so I'm naturally interested to know about any issues there might be with them.
edgedemon
11-11-2009, 07:13 PM
What exactly was it about MPD that was a problem? I've ordered from them so I'm naturally interested to know about any issues there might be with them.
Me too, I have an order with them...
MPD is a company I would never use again they was really poor when I got my TP2 and N97 from them. There on my list of internet stores to never use again.
A friend of mine has placed an order for HTC Hero with T-Mobile new contract on MPD's website some time ago. Despite he already was a T-Mobile contract customer (he was taking additional contract on his name), MPD asked him to send copies of his passport, licence etc. - allegedly required by T-Mobile for credit check...
I am slightly sceptical about MPD too, but they are the one and only option to get N900 with contract these days, so there's no other choice than sit back and wait how things evolve... Fingers crossed!
ddracopo
11-11-2009, 07:47 PM
What exactly was it about MPD that was a problem? I've ordered from them so I'm naturally interested to know about any issues there might be with them.
Same here. Strange but all of this time of anticipating N900 nothing bad (as far as I noticed) was mentioned about MPD. Now after the release and our pre-orders (mine Vodafone 12 months 300mins+ Web) we got in worries again...
noelsolutions
11-11-2009, 09:29 PM
sorry didn't mean to cause anyone any concerns. They were very rude on the phone and took ages to respond to my mails (avoiding me) unprofessional. The service was just terrible. Both phones were purchased at the same time. I already had tmobile contacts and have been with them for years when they was one2one. They cancelled my original contract just made a complete mess which took a month to sort out and a huge bill at the end of the month.
My problems only got sorted with me going to the Southampton store. I order my N97 from them due to them being nokia partners, They really had trouble dealing with the demand and gave out wrong information everytime I called.
Maybe things have changed and I wish you all luck
Venomrush
11-11-2009, 11:53 PM
I just noticed that the Vodafone (UK)'s unlimited data plan is not truely unlimited, it's only 500MB
The Pack gives you unlimited data access in the UK only, subject to a fair use limit of 500mb per month.
Source - http://www.vodaphone.co.uk/dispatch/Portal/appmanager/vodafone/wrp?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=template12&pageID=PTC_0004
See point 38: Data Access - monthly bundles
But I reckon you can go above the limit within good reasons.
Kieron
11-12-2009, 05:15 AM
Same here. Strange but all of this time of anticipating N900 nothing bad (as far as I noticed) was mentioned about MPD. Now after the release and our pre-orders (mine Vodafone 12 months 300mins+ Web) we got in worries again...
You mean Your Plan £35 + Web?
Have they taken the £89 yet or do they take it later when they've done a credit check, etc?
thiswayup
11-12-2009, 05:25 AM
Kieron, answered your question on other page.
For those asking about the branding of phones from MPD this is the email response I got when I asked.
Hi
The handsets we sell here are unlocked to use any SIM and they are unbranded, i.e. they don't have a network logo printed on the outside of the phone, nor do they come with any network specific software installed.
It is likely that a handset supplied from Vodafone directly will be locked to their own network and will contain their software on the handset.
Regards
Mobile Phones Direct Ltd
Hope that helps?
jaark
11-12-2009, 05:35 AM
Yes, SNR and signal strength are different things. Bu I would think that the signal bar you see on your phone is a combination of SNR and Signal strength.
You would hope so but - anecdotally on most phones at least - it is not. The combined effect of signal strength, snr and available bandwidth (let's call it signal quality) can fluctuate relatively rapidly which could make people uneasy about placing calls.
My reasoning is that since the signal is encrypted (with 3G/UMTS) you must first decrypt the signal before you can determine if it's strong or not.
You don't need to decrypt anything to measure field strength.
On a separate note perhaps jjx was experiencing low data throughput because there were lots of other people using data within his location?
There's lots of other potential factors including network congestion elsewhere, provider issues or even problems at the server he was trying to use. However, IP networks are something I do know about and so is less fun to speculate about on a forum ;)
With RF bandwidth being such a scarce resource, I would assume the contention ratio would be much much higher than say normal broadband.
Quite possibly, but the data rates and individual loads involved are generally much lower. Most traffic would be voice at a few 100 Kb/s for calls of a few minutes. You don't see many people trying to torrent gigabytes of data across 3G and they certainly don't expect the throughput you get from ADSL or cable connections.
A good intellectual debate I'd say ;), better than some of the mindless posts on here. :p
Yes indeed (I am a great fan of techie-side of mobile technology, in fact), however I don't think we're exactly on-topic here. :)
Bah! Who cares about on-topic? In this thread? This close to (hopefully) receiving our devices?
The moment MPD deliver my phone and connect it to my new T-Mo contract, the better. << - There, I've done some on-topic, can we get back to the interesting conversations now?
Kieron
11-12-2009, 05:38 AM
Which MDP T-m deal did you get? I don't know whether to go with Voda what they have up now, or wait and see if they get any T-m deals back...
thiswayup
11-12-2009, 05:41 AM
Kieron,
Just to cheer jaark up I answered that in another off topic thread. :)
24 months your plan 30+web. 600 mins unltd text and web. £35
Kieron
11-12-2009, 05:45 AM
Kieron,
Just to cheer jaark up I answered that in another off topic thread. :)
24 months your plan 30+web. 600 mins unltd text and web. £35
Haha :)
24 months!? Tied to the phone for two years - what if a successor comes out by then??
I'm worried about even going for an 18mnth!
jaark
11-12-2009, 06:05 AM
Which MDP T-m deal did you get? I don't know whether to go with Voda what they have up now, or wait and see if they get any T-m deals back...
18 month Combi-30 without Web'n'walk. Zero for the phone up front, £30 a month
I will then add Web'n'Walk plus onto this direct via T-Mo (MPD didn't do a W'n'W plus bundle)
edgedemon
11-12-2009, 06:06 AM
18 month Combi-30 without Web'n'walk. Zero for the phone up front, £30 a month
I will then add Web'n'Walk plus onto this direct via T-Mo (MPD didn't do a W'n'W plus bundle)
+1 - Im planning on doing exactly the same...
Kieron
11-12-2009, 06:07 AM
18 month Combi-30 without Web'n'walk. Zero for the phone up front, £30 a month
I will then add Web'n'Walk plus onto this direct via T-Mo (MPD didn't do a W'n'W plus bundle)
That sounds great, exacly what I want, but now they only have Vodafone....
Don't know what to do :(
Bah! Who cares about on-topic? In this thread? This close to (hopefully) receiving our devices?
The moment MPD deliver my phone and connect it to my new T-Mo contract, the better. << - There, I've done some on-topic, can we get back to the interesting conversations now?
Relax, I didn't "mean" it. I really appreciate your RF-related conversation, seriously. Nevermind, sorry for getting you in wrong mood...
jaark
11-12-2009, 06:24 AM
That sounds great, exacly what I want, but now they only have Vodafone....
Aye. Just to make you feel even better, they made their T-Mo offerings worse shortly after I ordered :P
I ran the figures and this with an 18 month contract came out significantly cheaper than buying sim-less and getting a sim-only deal for 18 month.
jaark
11-12-2009, 06:25 AM
Relax, I didn't "mean" it. I really appreciate your RF-related conversation, seriously. Nevermind, sorry for getting you in wrong mood...
lol, don't worry - was only messin' with ya - should have used a smiley ;)
Kieron
11-12-2009, 06:28 AM
But when the sequel to n900 comes out, what're we gonna do? :(
jaark
11-12-2009, 06:46 AM
But when the sequel to n900 comes out, what're we gonna do? :(
Try for a 6,000 post thread before launch?
Kieron
11-12-2009, 06:47 AM
Try for a 6,000 post thread before launch?
Aren't you a funny :)
ddracopo
11-12-2009, 06:54 AM
You mean Your Plan £35 + Web?
Have they taken the £89 yet or do they take it later when they've done a credit check, etc?
No I ordered the £30+Web, £141 the handset (-30 hopefully cashback from topcashback), 12 months, 300min. I have not checked my credit card but I doubt if it's billed yet.
stamenkd
11-12-2009, 07:11 AM
When do they actually do the credit checks on contracts? When you place the order or just before they ship it?
I noticed a few days after I placed my order with MPD that T-mobile debited then credited my account for a few quid - I'm assuming that was me passing the check?
edgedemon
11-12-2009, 07:20 AM
Yes,
I am showing the same on my card, debit for £2 and then a credit for £2.
This is part of their credit check when you apply..
lol, don't worry - was only messin' with ya - should have used a smiley
OK then :)
Yes,
I am showing the same on my card, debit for £2 and then a credit for £2.
This is part of their credit check when you apply..
Same had a friend of mine, who also ordered N900 with T-Mobile contract via MPD. However, I just checked my account history, and can't find any £2'ish debit/credit movement since the date of placing the order... :/ Or perhaps T-Mobile skipped credit check once they checked I am already their customer with two pay monthly numbers? Well, time will tell...
jaark
11-12-2009, 07:36 AM
I just checked my account history, and can't find any £2'ish debit/credit movement since the date of placing the order... :/ Or perhaps T-Mobile skipped credit check once they checked I am already their customer with two pay monthly numbers? Well, time will tell...
I was just about to say the same thing - they haven't even done a credit check with Experian.
dreadnought
11-12-2009, 07:43 AM
Yes,
I am showing the same on my card, debit for £2 and then a credit for £2.
This is part of their credit check when you apply..
yes, the same thing showed up on my card statement.
slate8
11-12-2009, 07:48 AM
yes, the same thing showed up on my card statement.
Me too :)
Surely it's more of a direct debit check (to make sure the account is real) than a credit check?
Kieron
11-12-2009, 11:22 AM
No I ordered the £30+Web, £141 the handset (-30 hopefully cashback from topcashback), 12 months, 300min. I have not checked my credit card but I doubt if it's billed yet.
Oh - they don't seem to offer that anymore :(
stamenkd
11-13-2009, 07:05 AM
Anyone hitting up the NFS today to see if they have them in stock? I'd be hoping retailers like MPD would be receiving their shippments today if they'e planning on sending them out to us on Monday as was announced.
Anyone hitting up the NFS today to see if they have them in stock? I'd be hoping retailers like MPD would be receiving their shippments today if they'e planning on sending them out to us on Monday as was announced.
NFS is quite consistent saying they will have N900 in stock next week. I've called them before yesterday, and been there yesterday...
andygt
11-13-2009, 07:17 AM
I'm torn between taking on a Vodaphone contract and waiting to see if the Tmobile ones reappear...
Any advice?
stamenkd
11-13-2009, 07:58 AM
I'm torn between taking on a Vodaphone contract and waiting to see if the Tmobile ones reappear...
Any advice?
There's no point tying youself into an expensive 24 month contract if in a month's time a better deals arrives. And who knows, by then someone on this forum could be disappointed with their phone and may want to offload it. There's a guy at work selling his 1 month old N97 for £250 now, hefty discount!
Venomrush
11-13-2009, 08:10 AM
Me too :)
Surely it's more of a direct debit check (to make sure the account is real) than a credit check?
Not a direct debit check, more like a card verification check.
To ensure that the card is valid and it is registered at the billing address. This helps speed up the end process for delivery.
Venomrush
11-13-2009, 08:11 AM
There's no point tying youself into an expensive 24 month contract if in a month's time a better deals arrives. And who knows, by then someone on this forum could be disappointed with their phone and may want to offload it. There's a guy at work selling his 1 month old N97 for £250 now, hefty discount!
24 months isn't an issue for most people. Some people get on that contract just for the handset then put it on the bay to pay for the entire contract.
chrislj
11-13-2009, 08:29 AM
I'm torn between taking on a Vodaphone contract and waiting to see if the Tmobile ones reappear...
Any advice?
try a nokia store, i went into the flagship one on Regents St (London) and they are now able to do contracts, I'm due an upgrade on my current Voda contract so Nokia are upgrading my package and sorting out an unbranded N900 as a free upgrade...no waiting til Jan/Feb for a branded one!
Venomrush
11-13-2009, 07:26 PM
When do they actually do the credit checks on contracts? When you place the order or just before they ship it?
On the day they're shipping the handset to you.
Kieron
11-15-2009, 11:03 AM
try a nokia store, i went into the flagship one on Regents St (London) and they are now able to do contracts, I'm due an upgrade on my current Voda contract so Nokia are upgrading my package and sorting out an unbranded N900 as a free upgrade...no waiting til Jan/Feb for a branded one!
Regent St. store do contracts you say? Through MPD?
Regent St. store do contracts you say? Through MPD?
Yes, exactly.
lexxx
11-16-2009, 04:43 AM
I'm torn between taking on a Vodaphone contract and waiting to see if the Tmobile ones reappear...
Any advice?
Hey you all, I've been lurking for a week or so an thought I'd say 'Hey'.
I went to the Regent St Nokia store yesterday and had a play with the N900. Asked one of the sales guys about contracts. The Nokia store are exclusively doing t-mobile and vodafone contracts at the mo. The phones should be ready to pick up on Thurs or Fri, but I've been advised to telephone in advance to make sure phones are available.
Otherwise, it will be late Jan before you can get the N900 on contract in a Voda or T-mobile store.
Btw, www.nokiaretail.co.uk website, maintaned by MPD, is now showing "late November" as N900 delivery date. :/ Just wondering whether that applies to pre-ordered units as well, or just new orders placed from now on...
stamenkd
11-16-2009, 06:51 AM
Btw, www.nokiaretail.co.uk website, maintaned by MPD, is now showing "late November" as N900 delivery date. :/ Just wondering whether that applies to pre-ordered units as well, or just new orders placed from now on...
Looks like end of month for all according to Moley:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=34183&page=83
slight
11-16-2009, 06:52 AM
Just been poking around for SIM free deals and come across these two. Can't vouch for them in any way, just found them on Google.
Oyyy.co.uk : £411.73 Inc VAT
http://www.oyyy.co.uk/product.php/106038/nokia-n900-mobile-phone?CAWELAID=421158908
Handtec.co.uk : £435.26 In VAT
http://www.handtec.co.uk/product.php?xProd=2346
Venomrush
11-16-2009, 07:05 AM
Hey you all, I've been lurking for a week or so an thought I'd say 'Hey'.
I went to the Regent St Nokia store yesterday and had a play with the N900. Asked one of the sales guys about contracts. The Nokia store are exclusively doing t-mobile and vodafone contracts at the mo. The phones should be ready to pick up on Thurs or Fri, but I've been advised to telephone in advance to make sure phones are available.
Otherwise, it will be late Jan before you can get the N900 on contract in a Voda or T-mobile store.
Are they doing T-Mobile contracts instore?
Can't see the T-Mobile contracts online on MPD..
biggzi
11-16-2009, 09:14 AM
Hey you all, I've been lurking for a week or so an thought I'd say 'Hey'.
I went to the Regent St Nokia store yesterday and had a play with the N900. Asked one of the sales guys about contracts. The Nokia store are exclusively doing t-mobile and vodafone contracts at the mo. The phones should be ready to pick up on Thurs or Fri, but I've been advised to telephone in advance to make sure phones are available.
Otherwise, it will be late Jan before you can get the N900 on contract in a Voda or T-mobile store.
Can you remember what kind of offers they had on contracts?
Kieron
11-16-2009, 11:07 AM
Can you remember what kind of offers they had on contracts?
I'd like to know this too.
I just called them, and I quote 'We don't have it at the moment, but when we do have it, we should have it on (contract) Vodafone and T-Mobile.'
lexxx
11-16-2009, 11:43 AM
Are they doing T-Mobile contracts instore?
Can't see the T-Mobile contracts online on MPD..
Yes, T-mobile contracts in the Nokia store.
I don't know what contracts. I mentioned my current T-mobile contract (flex 40) and the sales guy said that the phone would be free (probably) if I continued with my contract.
biggzi
11-16-2009, 12:33 PM
Just spoke to the Nokia store (regents street) on the phone and the guy said its free on vodafone (24 month) 600mins, Unl texts & Unl internet (£40 per month). I then said that mobilephonesdirect had exactly the same deal but on an 18 month contract. The guy on the phone then said that they are partnered with mobilesphonesdirect but he wasn’t aware of that deal. He said that a guy from mobilephonesdirect was coming into the store in a bit and he would check with him and that I should call back in about an hour and he’ll let me know what they can do. He didn’t mention and T-mobile contracts.
If I can get that deal on an 18month contract I’m ganna pop into the store after work and get mine pre-ordered. But ill let u guys know what he says when I speak to him.
Kieron
11-16-2009, 12:59 PM
Just spoke to the Nokia store (regents street) on the phone and the guy said its free on vodafone (24 month) 600mins, Unl texts & Unl internet (£40 per month). I then said that mobilephonesdirect had exactly the same deal but on an 18 month contract. The guy on the phone then said that they are partnered with mobilesphonesdirect but he wasn’t aware of that deal. He said that a guy from mobilephonesdirect was coming into the store in a bit and he would check with him and that I should call back in about an hour and he’ll let me know what they can do. He didn’t mention and T-mobile contracts.
If I can get that deal on an 18month contract I’m ganna pop into the store after work and get mine pre-ordered. But ill let u guys know what he says when I speak to him.
Waiting to hear what happens - the woman I spoke to on the phone told me they don't have any until the phone is released.
biggzi
11-16-2009, 01:28 PM
Ok, I just spoke to the guy again and he said that the 18 month contract must be an online deal only and that my best option would probably be just to come into store when they actually have the phone in. This sounds like a stupid suggestion to me considering the amount of people that are waiting on this handset. He assured me though, that they would be getting quite a lot of the phones in soon. He said that they are hoping to get them end of this week/beginning of next week.
I want my N900! (on an 18month contract!) :( lol
andygt
11-16-2009, 01:33 PM
Why don't you just order it from the nokia retail site?
The deal you want is still on there.
maemojedi
11-16-2009, 03:33 PM
IMPORTANT MESSAGE FOR THOSE WHO PREORDERD THROUGH MPD
For those who have bought a contract/N900
You do realize that your phone will not dispatch on the day they get it, right?
They have to do a credit check and crucially that credit check will not take place until the phone is in stock.
And each credit check can take 1-5 days.
I was informed of this today, therefore I canceled and preorderd with nokia (not nokia retail)
nuknuk
11-16-2009, 03:39 PM
Not me i went simfree :D
NukNuk allways goes sim free
£££££££££££££££££££:D
danielwilson
11-16-2009, 06:28 PM
IMPORTANT MESSAGE FOR THOSE WHO PREORDERD THROUGH MPD
For those who have bought a contract/N900
You do realize that your phone will not dispatch on the day they get it, right?
They have to do a credit check and crucially that credit check will not take place until the phone is in stock.
And each credit check can take 1-5 days.
I was informed of this today, therefore I canceled and preorderd with nokia (not nokia retail)
mpd told me different that they would send it day after they get them in stock, that i would get it on the 17th when my puk code runs out from vodafone
slate8
11-16-2009, 06:41 PM
And each credit check can take 1-5 days.
1 to 5 days? That doesn't sound right. A credit check with experian is pretty much instant. If I walk into a phone shop tomorrow they can do a credit dip and sign you up there and then.
I reckon MPD might be telling porkies.
maemojedi
11-16-2009, 06:51 PM
Nope
Not true
People want this phone so badly that they'll disregard my advice but here's what happened to me...
I signed up to experian to check my credit history and found that the most recent credit search on my name took place last week.
Which I found confusing seeing as I ordered my n900 on a tmobile contract early in oct.
So I rang up. Spoke to a girl who said it would be dispatched the day they get it in yada yada. Then I explained my position, experian etc etc. And she immediately sounded guilty.
So I asked to speak to the manager who then explained that my credit report was accurate and that their policy is to only do a credit check once the phone is in stock.
I'm sure to the unsuspecting they'll continue with the line "Shipping will commence immediately once we receive stock."
Because it is partly true. Sim free orders will be dispatched.immediately Contract deals however, well you'll have to wait for that.
& I'm sure people will be quick to respond by telling me "MPD SAID AS SOON AS THEY GET STOCk"
While conveniently forgetting mpd up until sunday night were promising to start deliveries 16.11.09. / TODAY
This validity of the above is easily checkable
http://www.experian.co.uk/
Venomrush
11-16-2009, 07:08 PM
IMPORTANT MESSAGE FOR THOSE WHO PREORDERD THROUGH MPD
For those who have bought a contract/N900
You do realize that your phone will not dispatch on the day they get it, right?
They have to do a credit check and crucially that credit check will not take place until the phone is in stock.
And each credit check can take 1-5 days.
I was informed of this today, therefore I canceled and preorderd with nokia (not nokia retail)
Um, no, credit check takes 10 minutes. Who told you that it takes up to 5 days?
Haven't you seen adverts all around on all mobile operators saying next day delivery on phone contracts?
convulted
11-16-2009, 07:50 PM
I confirm that T-Mobile performed a credit check on me on the day I provided them with my details, i.e.: 7th October. FYI, I never had a contract phone (let alone with T-Mobile) and never bought anything from MPD.
fahad65
11-16-2009, 08:07 PM
i wanna tell all of you regarding the credit check that the day (5 oct) when i pre-ordered mine after one day i called MPD that when should i receive the phone so they asked me the order no. when i tell them they said that you credit check has been approved so will get it as soon as we will get it in stock and they were right because i asked T-mobile checked my account and i hv seen in my statement that tmobile charged me 4 pounds but after 2 days they refunded the money that shows that they do credit checks as soon as they receive the details....Hope this help you all....
Alex Atkin UK
11-16-2009, 08:23 PM
IMPORTANT MESSAGE FOR THOSE WHO PREORDERD THROUGH MPD
For those who have bought a contract/N900
You do realize that your phone will not dispatch on the day they get it, right?
They have to do a credit check and crucially that credit check will not take place until the phone is in stock.
And each credit check can take 1-5 days.
I was informed of this today, therefore I canceled and preorderd with nokia (not nokia retail)
I was told they did a credit check WHEN I ORDERED too (as the money went on temporary hold in my account so I range to see what what happening) so it SHOULD ship immediately.
Like others have said, even if they did DID do the credit check later it takes a matter of seconds to do so would only delay if you were denied credit.
DannStarr
11-16-2009, 08:27 PM
At the very least I expect a shipping email from MPD, what would be sweet is if the postman woke me up with a very special delivery and MPD had been too busy posting n900's to have emailed me yesterday
maemojedi
11-16-2009, 08:36 PM
Look
The charge your account is a separate part of the process but I'm going to stop there.
Because it's clear people will want me to be wrong and dispute my information just to semi comfort themselves in what seems like a never ending wait for the N900
But I promise you this. That wait will be extended for a healthy portion of those who ordered through mpd.
fahad65
11-16-2009, 08:41 PM
Look
The charge your account is a separate part of the process but I'm going to stop there.
Because it's clear people will want me to be wrong and dispute my information just to semi comfort themselves in what seems like a never ending wait for the N900
But I promise you this. That wait will be extended for a healthy portion of those who ordered through mpd.
BUt iasked MPD and they said that my credit check has been approved.... on phone and chat as well after i quote my order no.
chrisp7
11-16-2009, 08:42 PM
Look
The charge your account is a separate part of the process but I'm going to stop there.
Because it's clear people will want me to be wrong and dispute my information just to semi comfort themselves in what seems like a never ending wait for the N900
But I promise you this. That wait will be extended for a healthy portion of those who ordered through mpd.
Well its the first any have heard that - Ive had multiple differing contracts - each credit check taking 5-10 mins.
maemojedi
11-16-2009, 09:34 PM
fahad65 They are a retailer who's ultimate goal is to sell sell sell.
Just check Experian and you'll see.
@ chrisp7
yeah me too. However all were done with phones that were in stock. If you really believe they have then disregard my experience/advice.
However lets say they do each credit check on the day!
and the credit check itself takes 5-10 minutes as you say!
And going off mpd's quota of 500 tmobile/voda contracts
You see the logistical math formulating?
You're looking at 25-50 hours on credit checks alone. forget everything else involved with the shipping process...
& Royal mail close at what time?
Anyways you can will me wrong as much as you please but come D day. A lot of you guys will be refreshing maemo.org pissed or perhaps in tears.
While others will be enjoying that linux based goodness
And i'll be here quoting myself saying I told you so
25 hours for a credit check? Yet networks can do them instantly? I works for currys and even we do credit checks for all networks other than o2 and 99% give a result 30 seconds after checking
chrisp7
11-17-2009, 05:23 AM
fahad65 They are a retailer who's ultimate goal is to sell sell sell.
Just check Experian and you'll see.
@ chrisp7
yeah me too. However all were done with phones that were in stock. If you really believe they have then disregard my experience/advice.
However lets say they do each credit check on the day!
and the credit check itself takes 5-10 minutes as you say!
And going off mpd's quota of 500 tmobile/voda contracts
You see the logistical math formulating?
You're looking at 25-50 hours on credit checks alone. forget everything else involved with the shipping process...
& Royal mail close at what time?
Anyways you can will me wrong as much as you please but come D day. A lot of you guys will be refreshing maemo.org pissed or perhaps in tears.
While others will be enjoying that linux based goodness
And i'll be here quoting myself saying I told you so
For heavens sake. You think a company like Nokia/MPD have to do a credit check one-by-one. You dont think theres an automated system that checks people concurrently.
Whats up with the people on this forum!
andygt
11-17-2009, 06:45 AM
Just wait for the fun and games when people actually get the N900...
biggzi
11-17-2009, 09:19 AM
Im really not sure what to do. I would like to wait until the N900 hits the shops then I can have a look around and find the best offer. But i dont want to miss out on the first load of units shipped to pre-orders cus then shops might not get anymore stock for a while.
Is MPD the only place I can pre-order a contract N900? Also if I was to pre-order it on contract how would it work? I assume the contract would not start until they ship the phone to me? Does that mean I can cancel my contract pr-order before that date? I dont wanna get locked into a MPD deal if I end up having to wait weeks and a better deal comes up.
I just spoke to a guy at nokia direct sales and he seemed adamant that it will be shipping to pre-orders by the end of the week. I wonder if that also means MPD pre-orders?
Have many people pre-ordered theres through MPD? It looks like MPD is the only option if I want it on contract.
nuknuk
11-17-2009, 09:20 AM
mpd YOU WILL WAIT FOREVER http://www.product-reviews.net/2009/11/17/nokia-n900-release-delayed-yet-again/
Im really not sure what to do.
Sit back and wait. The best possible option atm, really.
biggzi
11-17-2009, 09:40 AM
Another thing that is really buggin me. Many of the N900 deals on vodafone come with 'unlimited' internet. After reading their 'fair usage' policy i find out this is VERY far from the truth. I totally understand why fair usage has to be put in place and i do agree with it but vodafone seem to think that 500MB is fair! WTF? 500MB! ...ill use that up in a couple of days! Officially the worst 'unlimited' deal I have ever seen!
rant over.
Kieron
11-17-2009, 09:57 AM
Another thing that is really buggin me. Many of the N900 deals on vodafone come with 'unlimited' internet. After reading their 'fair usage' policy i find out this is VERY far from the truth. I totally understand why fair usage has to be put in place and i do agree with it but vodafone seem to think that 500MB is fair! WTF? 500MB! ...ill use that up in a couple of days! Officially the worst 'unlimited' deal I have ever seen!
rant over.
I really doubt you will use that in a couple of days, unless you are downloading ridiculous amounts of media or the like, which is not what mobile internet is really for. Everything really has a 'fair usage', always, even if it does say 500mb. And they don't charge you if you go over, they contact you etc. unlike other networks.
And it is one of the best 'unlimited' deals - other networks can be as low as 200mb.
Fargus
11-17-2009, 10:03 AM
Another thing that is really buggin me. Many of the N900 deals on vodafone come with 'unlimited' internet. After reading their 'fair usage' policy i find out this is VERY far from the truth. I totally understand why fair usage has to be put in place and i do agree with it but vodafone seem to think that 500MB is fair! WTF? 500MB! ...ill use that up in a couple of days! Officially the worst 'unlimited' deal I have ever seen!
rant over.
If you were on O2 and in Central London then you'd be impressed to manage 500MB in a month - the iPhone saturation around here has killed any chance of sensible download speed regadless of the hardware you have!
Kieron
11-17-2009, 10:06 AM
If you were on O2 and in Central London then you'd be impressed to manage 500MB in a month - the iPhone saturation around here has killed any chance of sensible download speed regadless of the hardware you have!
You're telling me - today tried to navigate to buy something on ebay - took soooo long, ridiculous speeds. Can't wait to get off o2, not which are better though Vodafone or T-Mobile.
You're telling me - today tried to navigate to buy something on ebay - took soooo long, ridiculous speeds. Can't wait to get off o2, not which are better though Vodafone or T-Mobile.
I am using T-Mobile for quite a while now, obviously it's not perfect and they have occasional hiccups or coverage gaps (which may well be because of E71 having poor radio sensitivity), but overall I am quite happy with them. I was actually contemplating moving to Vodafone with N900, just to try them out, but I decided to stick with T-M. Firstly, because I've popped Vodafone's pay as you go SIM card for few days and used it on daily basis and haven't really spotted much difference. Secondly, a friend of mine also buying N900 on contract is coming back to T-Mobile from Vodafone, as he was happier with T-M. Other fact is that my wife's number is on T-Mobile contract too and we do use a lot of Family service, so it wouldn't make sense to split numbers by networks in this case. :)
However, I really hate the idea of T-Mobile merger with Orange, so I seriously think to leave them once the next contract expires..
ShadowLFC
11-17-2009, 10:18 AM
You're telling me - today tried to navigate to buy something on ebay - took soooo long, ridiculous speeds. Can't wait to get off o2, not which are better though Vodafone or T-Mobile.
I've been wondering which is the better of the two. Have been with 3 for ages and signed with T-Mobile for the N900. Am still not 100% sure if that was the best decision
Kieron
11-17-2009, 10:21 AM
I am using T-Mobile for quite a while now, obviously it's not perfect and they have occasional hiccups or coverage gaps (which may well be because of E71 having poor radio sensitivity), but overall I am quite happy with them. I was actually contemplating moving to Vodafone with N900, just to try them out, but I decided to stick with T-M. Firstly, because I've popped Vodafone's pay as you go SIM card for few days and used it on daily basis and haven't really spotted much difference. Secondly, a friend of mine also buying N900 on contract is coming back to T-Mobile from Vodafone, as he was happier with T-M. Other fact is that my wife's number is on T-Mobile contract too and we do use a lot of Family service, so it wouldn't make sense to split numbers by networks in this case. :)
However, I really hate the idea of T-Mobile merger with Orange, so I seriously think to leave them once the next contract expires..
See - i'd love to get it on T-Mobile, I too have been with them and really much prefered their service, minus a few black spots in central London. But MDP and the Vodafone-a-rama business... I still don't know what to do..! I think after tonight, if no mention of contract and I (highly doubtful anyway) don't win the phone, I'll get it on MPD on Vodafone. Only choice left!
:)
I still don't know what to do..! I think after tonight, if no mention of contract and I (highly doubtful anyway) don't win the phone, I'll get it on MPD on Vodafone. Only choice left!
Depends whether you prefer to get N900 asap, or wait a bit for a better deal. If the latter, I'd wait until N900 gets in stock in NFS ("we are just expeting delivery, it could be anytime now", as I was told over the phone less than an hour ago), then go there and ask if you could get it with T-M. I have a feeling they might offer that in-store, but not sure either. Time will tell. :)
Kieron
11-17-2009, 10:28 AM
Depends whether you prefer to get N900 asap, or wait a bit for a better deal. If the latter, I'd wait until N900 gets in stock in NFS ("we are just expeting delivery, it could be anytime now", as I was told over the phone less than an hour ago), then go there and ask if you could get it with T-M. I have a feeling they might offer that in-store, but not sure either. Time will tell. :)
Yeah, but thing is, don't know if I can bear the wait! Plus, according to a few, the deals at NFS aren't exactly the same as MDP. And I don't want to be stuck on a 24mnth contract.
I'm going to try them though. I'll try and ask tonight as well if I get the chance.
:)
Yeah, but thing is, don't know if I can bear the wait! Plus, according to a few, the deals at NFS aren't exactly the same as MDP. And I don't want to be stuck on a 24mnth contract.
Consider another option - take the best deal you can possibly get right now with other phone (ie. N97/N97Mini), stick it on eBay straight away, and buy SIM-free N900 instead.
biggzi
11-17-2009, 10:33 AM
Yeah, but thing is, don't know if I can bear the wait! Plus, according to a few, the deals at NFS aren't exactly the same as MDP. And I don't want to be stuck on a 24mnth contract.
I'm going to try them though. I'll try and ask tonight as well if I get the chance.
:)
Yes i phoned the NFS and they would only offer me a 24month contract. Phone MPD and they said that some offers were not available in store (in this case the 18month deal)
ShadowLFC
11-17-2009, 10:35 AM
Yes i phoned the NFS and they would only offer me a 24month contract. Phone MPD and they said that some offers were not available in store (in this case the 18month deal)
That's interesting, because when I signed yesterday at the NFS it was the 18 month deal. I may have to check that
eiffel
11-17-2009, 10:36 AM
However, I really hate the idea of T-Mobile merger with Orange
Me too. After my daughter and I were treated really badly by Orange, we started moving the whole family to T-Mobile (as our PAYG credit ran out). Now our move is being redered pointless by the merger.
When my N900 arrives I'm going to try a Virgin PAYG SIM card. Virgin uses T-mobile's network, so I'm assuming performance will be identical to using a T-mobile SIM card. Virgin's PAYG charges are lower (30p per day for 25MB, or £5 per month for 1GB) although unlike T-mobile they do have a charge for usage above those levels.
Regards,
Roger
Kieron
11-17-2009, 10:37 AM
Consider another option - take the best deal you can possibly get right now with other phone (ie. N97/N97Mini), stick it on eBay straight away, and buy SIM-free N900 instead.
Yeah... I'd much prefer a Sim only one anyway, for when the sucessor comes along. I've just looked, ebay prices online are around 400. Best contract is around 600. :(
I'm going to try have a look into it though, cheers.
Me too. After my daughter and I were treated really badly by Orange, we started moving the whole family to T-Mobile (as our PAYG credit ran out). Now our move is being redered pointless by the merger.
To be honest, I am quite surprised that T-Mobile was in trouble, as I can see them gradually improving over time (services, tariffs, website etc.). But well, business is business I guess. I just regret that wasn't Vodafone instead of Orange. Anyway, who knows - maybe it would actually get better after the merger? Will see.
NvyUs
11-17-2009, 02:46 PM
all i'm saying to all them going to use t-mobile or are using t-mobile, enjoy your privacy or lack of it lol
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/millions-of-mobile-details-sold-on-1822232.html
jaark
11-17-2009, 03:24 PM
all i'm saying to all them going to use t-mobile or are using t-mobile, enjoy your privacy or lack of it lol
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/millions-of-mobile-details-sold-on-1822232.html
Ugh, I read about this earlier, but didn't know which operator :(
Makes you wonder what other information was sold on :eek:
NvyUs
11-17-2009, 03:47 PM
i read earlier too and it did not say which operator, but all other networks denied it was anything to do with them therefore forcing T-mobile to come out and admit it was them
maemojedi
11-17-2009, 03:52 PM
At last!!!
Flagship News: This is it! The #N900 selling on Thursday 19th November in our Flagship Store. £499 Sim Free. Be the first to have it.
For those who ordered through MPD I'd suggest you strongly consider this option lol
cpitchford
11-17-2009, 04:00 PM
fiiiiiinally a date! Good job I pre-ordered it there. Pick it up on the way to work and spend the rest of the day "working hard".. no seriously, I have loads to do at work.. but there's always the train journey :)
maemojedi
11-17-2009, 04:15 PM
Here's the link
http://twitter.com/NokiaFlagshipUK
chrisp7
11-17-2009, 04:16 PM
Do NFS do upgrades to existing contracts (eg Tmobile)
NvyUs
11-17-2009, 04:17 PM
its old news i posted it 2 hours ago
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=379577&postcount=3447
i thought this thread was about networks not shipping dates
maemojedi
11-17-2009, 04:46 PM
You seem a little upset?
& it's not shipping news
So and I couldn't give a s**t less if you posted it 2 hours ago :D
NvyUs
11-17-2009, 04:54 PM
You seem a little upset?
& it's not shipping news
So and I couldn't give a s**t less if you posted it 2 hours ago :D
grow up dumb dumb
i'm upset for the only reason that it keeps getting posted in threads discussing other topics, that's all
we dont need more date threads there's already 3 live and 100 more deleted or merged
Venomrush
11-18-2009, 12:54 AM
Hmm ordered through Nokia pre-order using tramp delivery option..don't think i'll get it until Monday if they ship out on Thursday.
Hopefully, if they ship today (wednesday), I might get it on Friday or Sat morning
ShadowLFC
11-18-2009, 05:12 AM
Do NFS do upgrades to existing contracts (eg Tmobile)
NFS do upgrades too
dansus
11-18-2009, 03:28 PM
Anyone going to Regent St on thurs (19th) to get an N900?
maemoexperts
11-18-2009, 03:33 PM
Spoke to Regent Street today and they aren't going to have any for tomorrow. The dates change so often its shocking.
dansus
11-18-2009, 03:37 PM
I guess thats why the tweet was deleted.
Any excuses as to why, did they give a new date for stock?
maemoexperts
11-18-2009, 03:44 PM
Possibly next week. Nothing confirmed. I'm sick to my back teeth with it all now. I really wish Nokia would pick a date and Just stick to it. Is that too much to ask ?
dansus
11-18-2009, 04:24 PM
I might go in tomm anyway and kick up a stink if they dont have it in stock.
Then i might get some more definitive answers from the manager who posted the tweet.
Then i might get some more definitive answers from the manager who posted the tweet.
NFS/Nokia is recently uber-consistent saying "next week"... every week.
Alex Atkin UK
11-18-2009, 06:18 PM
I guess thats why the tweet was deleted.
Any excuses as to why, did they give a new date for stock?
I do wonder if it was all those of us moaning who ordered from MPD that has caused the latest delay, because we would be damn pissed if they release it in the store before shipping the pre-orders.
I guess we will only know if when it DOES come in stock they DO ship the pre-orders first/at the same time, or not.
chrisp7
11-18-2009, 07:23 PM
Anyone going to Regent St on thurs (19th) to get an N900?
I work 1 min away, Ill dive in and have a check (preordered a while back though)
Venomrush
11-18-2009, 08:44 PM
I guess thats why the tweet was deleted.
Any excuses as to why, did they give a new date for stock?
Was told they'll get them in stock on Friday.
Unpack and prob be on sale on Monday as expected.
lexxx
11-19-2009, 04:53 AM
I don't know if any of you have mentioned this yet as I don't keep up with the thread, but I went in to Regent St last night to ask about contracts and the N900 and I received some bad news. I won't be able to upgrade my current T-mobile contract as the Nokia store is only able to give new t-mobile contracts and none of these are what I'm on. Lame.
But with Vodafone, the Nokia store does both upgrades and new contracts.
Now I don't know what to do. My contract with T-mobile has already run out and I was waiting for this phone so I could upgrade. I want to stay with t-mobile but I don't want to wait for another couple of months until the N900 reaches the t-mobile store.
stamenkd
11-19-2009, 04:59 AM
I don't know if any of you have mentioned this yest as I don't keep up with the thread but I went in to Regent St last night to ask about contracts and the N900 and I received some bad news. I won't be able to upgrade my current T-mobile contract as the Nokia store is only able to give new t-mobile contracts and none of these are what I'm on. Lame.
But with Vodafone, the Nokia store does both upgrades and new contracts.
Now I don't know what to do. My contract with T-mobile has already run out and I was waiting for this phone so I could upgrade. I want to stay with t-mobile but I don't want to wait for another couple of months until the N900 reaches the t-mobile store.
I was told by MPD the other day that the stores do totally different pricing to the website. I've got a pre-order with MPD for a T-Mobile contract, 18months, £35 pm, free handset. Am I likely to get the same deal from the Regent St shop because it looks like they may get it earlier than MPD after all who yesterday told me 4Dec!
biggzi
11-19-2009, 05:02 AM
I was told by MPD the other day that the stores do totally different pricing to the website. I've got a pre-order with MPD for a T-Mobile contract, 18months, £35 pm, free handset. Am I likely to get the same deal from the Regent St shop because it looks like they may get it earlier than MPD after all who yesterday told me 4Dec!
Yeah I was told the same. At the moment the NFS dont have any good 18month deals whereas MPD do. Im just hoping that once NFS get them in stock they may be able to offer a better deal
Now I don't know what to do. My contract with T-mobile has already run out and I was waiting for this phone so I could upgrade. I want to stay with t-mobile but I don't want to wait for another couple of months until the N900 reaches the t-mobile store.
Do exactly what I am going to do: I am currently on T-Mobile's Solo 20 SIM-only plan, so once I get N900 with new T-M contract in my hands, I'll port my current number to Vodafone's pay-as-you-go service and once that's done, then port it back to T-M contract that came with N900. I reckon the whole operation shouldn't take longer than few days, maybe a week.
jaark
11-19-2009, 06:50 AM
Can't you just swap the number directly between the two T-Mo services?
Can't you just swap the number directly between the two T-Mo services?
According to T-Mobile's customer services and MPD - no, I can't. Silly, no? :(
However, I'll give another try once I get that new contract.
dreadnought
11-19-2009, 06:59 AM
I've ordered the T-mobile contract with MPD and am patiently (well, actually not so patiently) waiting for the device to come through. This is the first time I've ordered a contract online in the UK so not sure exactly how it works. I understand they will charge me the £3.99 for delivery when the device is ready to ship, but what exactly happens about the monthly £35 charge to T-mobile? When exactly is that debited from my account? Immediately or later?
Any clarification would be helpful - I've been living abroad using PAYG for a long time so I'm not exactly familiar with the charging system for contracts in the UK.
I've ordered the T-mobile contract with MPD and am patiently (well, actually not so patiently) waiting for the device to come through. This is the first time I've ordered a contract online in the UK so not sure exactly how it works. I understand they will charge me the £3.99 for delivery when the device is ready to ship, but what exactly happens about the monthly £35 charge to T-mobile? When exactly is that debited from my account? Immediately or later?
This is "first time" for me as well, but as far as MPD guy told me over online chat a while ago - SIM card will be included in package and ready to use, while T-Mobile will send welcome letter and initial bill separately.
lexxx
11-19-2009, 07:08 AM
Do exactly what I am going to do: I am currently on T-Mobile's Solo 20 SIM-only plan, so once I get N900 with new T-M contract in my hands, I'll port my current number to Vodafone's pay-as-you-go service and once that's done, then port it back to T-M contract that came with N900. I reckon the whole operation shouldn't take longer than few days, maybe a week.
That would only work if I could get the N900 on my current t-mobile plan. I'm currently on flex-40 and flex contracts aren't being given out by Nokia Flagship. I don't know if MPD will have Flex contracts as I haven't asked.
dreadnought
11-19-2009, 07:09 AM
This is "first time" for me as well, but as far as MPD guy told me over online chat a while ago - SIM card will be included in package and ready to use, while T-Mobile will send welcome letter and initial bill separately.
Hey, thanks for the clarification. Just wondering whether I need to make sure I have enough money in my account to cover the first monthly payment ;)
That would only work if I could get the N900 on my current t-mobile plan. I'm currently on flex-40 and flex contracts aren't being given out by Nokia Flagship. I don't know if MPD will have Flex contracts as I haven't asked.
I reckon that you can always upgrade your plan to higher, once you get a contract. So place an order for Combi25/30, then upgrade to Flex40. However, if I were you, I'd call 150 first and specifically ask whether that's possible (they might offer Flext plans to new customers only, or sth).
lexxx
11-19-2009, 07:16 AM
I reckon that you can always upgrade your plan to higher, once you get a contract. So place an order for Combi25/30, then upgrade to Flex40. However, if I were you, I'd call 150 first and specifically ask whether that's possible (they might offer Flext plans to new customers only, or sth).
I think you have to have a contract for 6months before you can change it though. I have many avenues to investigate at the moment to find a way around this.
thiswayup
11-19-2009, 07:22 AM
I don't know if any of you have mentioned this yet as I don't keep up with the thread, but I went in to Regent St last night to ask about contracts and the N900 and I received some bad news. I won't be able to upgrade my current T-mobile contract as the Nokia store is only able to give new t-mobile contracts and none of these are what I'm on. Lame.
But with Vodafone, the Nokia store does both upgrades and new contracts.
Now I don't know what to do. My contract with T-mobile has already run out and I was waiting for this phone so I could upgrade. I want to stay with t-mobile but I don't want to wait for another couple of months until the N900 reaches the t-mobile store.
Ordered mine through MPD, went into Nokia retail store to order but they couldn't match the tariff that was being done through Nokia Retail on the web for some reason. Basically the shop couldn't give me the same handset for free on that tariff. Whereas the net could.
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