[Under consideration] Brainstorm discussion split between Brainstorm and Talk

[qgil]

We have this problem of brainstorm proposals being discussed in Brainstorm and in Talk threads at the same time. How to solve this? Please vote and add you own ideas.

http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/brainstorm_discussion_split_between_brainstorm_and _talk/

I have played the evil's advocate role with the three solutions already listed. Just in case someone thought that the solution is obvious. :)

[wazd]

I'd agree with "Discussion in linked Talk thread".

[ColdFusion]

If it could be automated so that when a new Brainstorm idea is posted it gets a thread with a link to it with the text and everything.

[edgar2]

i think it's a good idea to either manually or automatically start a new talk thread with the pre-text "brainstorm:" in the header, as well as linking to the brainstorm idea.

in the long run, talk and brainstorm might be better off as one. for example, the brainstorm idea could be integrated into the thread in a similar way as a poll is presented today: in the beginning of a thread.

[edgar2]

now, if only i'd be able to edit my already posted brainstorm idea, i could start a new thread myself. apparently editing brainstorm entries is not allowed for regular users.

[Andre Klapper]

now, if only i'd be able to edit my already posted brainstorm idea, i could start a new thread myself. apparently editing brainstorm entries is not allowed for regular users.

Probably https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5133 .

[qgil]

After more thinking, having threads created in Talk for very Brainstorm idea created helps also solving two problems more:


Watching Brainstorm (http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/watching_brainstorm), since Talk is equipped with feeds per forum (to follow a Brainstorm forum) and email notifications (to follow the discussion of specific ideas).

Landing in Brainstorm (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=334388), since Talk is a very popular destination and having an organiz link with Brainstorm will help users finding it and see its relevance.

Even if the amounof votes is not overwhelming, I think the difference is clear compared to the rest of proposals. It would be good if Reggie, Henri and Oskari could read this and have a say (this topic was discussed back in June by them but I can't remember the details). Hopefully this task could make it for the next sprint.

In the meantime if we agree on implementing this we could make sure that at last the new thrrads in the sandbox have done the homework creating the Talk thrads and linking to/from them.

[ysss]

So there's gotta be a brainstorm sub-forum here to collect them threads, right?

I'd also like to suggest to have an 'Active Brainstorm' widget\sidebar thing like the 'Active Topics' in tmo. It should be positioned right under 'Active Topics' sidebar to gain more traffic and jumpstart brainstorm to a true ideas storm...

[attila77]

Also, the voting results are a lit skewed by the fact that some solutions will obviously be posted later and hence will have considerably less exposure. It would be perhaps good to have a call-for-solutions period, which would include discussions in talk, and then only the distilled solutions posted to brainstorm for voting. Not sure where should I post this enhancement/idea/suggestion/problem/etc.

[qgil]

Note that the voting of solutions is an indicative of solutions selected and "social support" of each of them. Still,the solution implemented depends ultimately of the one implementing them.

Actually 2 of the current 3 implemented solutions were not the most voted http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/list/implemented/fremantle/

[Reggie]

Even if the amounof votes is not overwhelming, I think the difference is clear compared to the rest of proposals. It would be good if Reggie, Henri and Oskari could read this and have a say (this topic was discussed back in June by them but I can't remember the details). Hopefully this task could make it for the next sprint.

I will work on something to make this possible -- a sort of page that Brainstorm can call that auto creates a new thread in the Talk Brainstorm forum (to be added). It will also return the created thread id so Brainstorm can link to the correct thread at Talk. This would hopefully make it easier for Henri and Oskari to bridge Brainstorm with Talk.

Note however that it might still be awkward for members to use a different login to create a new Brainstorm topic/solution, and another login for Talk. Talk members who don't have maemo.org accounts will find it difficult to vote on the solutions.

There are also other things to consider:
Do we want to display the full description of the Brainstorm topic on the automatically created thread in Talk. If yes, this would mean, that the Talk thread contents needs to change if the Barainstorm topic description changes, or
On the Talk thread, instead of showing the description of the full Brainstorm topic, we can just show something like a 'This is the discussion thread for the Brainstorm Topic: <Brainstorm Topic Tile> (link to brainstorm)'
Do we want to display the discussion thread under the Brainstorm Topic or just a link to the corresponding Talk thread? If we do, then I can probably create a feed by thread so Henri/Oskari can just parse the contents.

[qgil]

Single sign-on will come one day but I wouldn't wait for it to implement this.

Option 2 is he easiest and better. No need to duplicate discussions in the Brainstorm proposals. This is like the elections: there is ona place to discuss and another place to fine tune programs and vote them.

[qgil]

Reggie & others, are you aware of he proposal of opening a Brainstorm forum? This is something that, if you agree, is easy to implement and will bring a very visible change.

http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/landing_in_brainstorm/

[Reggie]

Yes, I've seen that proposal. As I have mentioned in my reply above, a Brainstorm forum will be created for sure, and I think it's the best way to add visibility to all the brainstorm ideas.

As for "talk.maemo.org/brainstorm" (solution #2 (http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/landing_in_brainstorm/)), if the bridge between talk and midgrad becomes a blocker, I propose moving the whole 'brainstorm module' to the talk server, and tweaking it to use the forum login. I can then have an easier way of integrating it to the forum.

[qgil]

Looking forward to move this Brainstorm idea (http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/brainstorm_discussion_split_between_brainstorm_and _talk/) to "Under development". Is someone (NetBlade / Reggie) working on this already?

It's not clear whether it is included in the current sprint (http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Sprints/October_09). If not, it would be good to have it officially committed in the November sprint.

[chemist]

As far as I know this is done by removal of the comments...
What is happening about the Auto-Starting-Post feature? (A new brainstorm starts and updates starting posts in talk)