What's with Canola2 2.0.0-maemo1 update? [Archive] - maemo.org

GeraldKo

10-31-2009, 11:37 PM

ToniCipriani

11-01-2009, 08:39 PM

Having the same problem here too... any fix for this?

makel

11-01-2009, 08:57 PM

I think that I did ran canola-cleanup and after that istalled canola again and now it's working.

Mixu

11-02-2009, 05:33 AM

I think that I did ran canola-cleanup and after that istalled canola again and now it's working.

I had the same problem (lightmediascanner conflicts). Ran the cleanup few times since first one didn't finish for some reason and booted and then installed the new version.

However, now the Canola tuning doesn't work so I don't have any cover art at the moment :mad: So, if yout Canola installation works, don't fix it ;)

ToniCipriani

11-02-2009, 06:36 AM

stl1859

11-02-2009, 07:08 AM

I had the same problem (lightmediascanner conflicts). Ran the cleanup few times since first one didn't finish for some reason and booted and then installed the new version.

However, now the Canola tuning doesn't work so I don't have any cover art at the moment :mad: So, if yout Canola installation works, don't fix it ;)

What version of the tuning plugin did you install ? This problem was reported and supposed to be fixed in the latest version 0.2.3-maemo2 . Try again, and if it still does not work, then install the flickr plugin as well, and it should work after that

astuermer

11-02-2009, 08:09 AM

I also did a cleanup - but...

Now I have no "back" button and "settings" button in the lower left and right corners.

Mixu

11-02-2009, 09:14 AM

What version of the tuning plugin did you install ? This problem was reported and supposed to be fixed in the latest version 0.2.3-maemo2 . Try again, and if it still does not work, then install the flickr plugin as well, and it should work after that

It seems that I installed 0.2.3-maemo1. So I need to add Fremantle extras-devel to install this?? (Canola2 Tuning Plugin) (http://maemo.org/packages/view/canola2-tuning-plugin/) Now I can only see maemo1 version.

stl1859

11-02-2009, 09:43 AM

It seems that I installed 0.2.3-maemo1. So I need to add Fremantle extras-devel to install this?? (Canola2 Tuning Plugin) (http://maemo.org/packages/view/canola2-tuning-plugin/) Now I can only see maemo1 version.

NO - I am not sure why you are not seeing the latest version. For me it simply showed up on Application Manager ( and No , I am not doing anything with Freemantle ) . The problem was that the tuning plugin required a module that was missing , and the flickr plugin included the same module, so if you installed the flickr plugin, the tuning plugin would start working automatically. I had filed a bug report, and the update was supposed to fix the packaging issue.

About the back and settings button disappearing, I noticed that too, but it is intermittent, and in general, version 2.0.0 has been working relatively fine, especially if you stay away from the picasa and flickr plugins

Mixu

11-02-2009, 01:18 PM

NO - I am not sure why you are not seeing the latest version. For me it simply showed up on Application Manager ( and No , I am not doing anything with Freemantle ) . The problem was that the tuning plugin required a module that was missing , and the flickr plugin included the same module, so if you installed the flickr plugin, the tuning plugin would start working automatically. I had filed a bug report, and the update was supposed to fix the packaging issue.

I enabled Maemo Extras-Devel and Hackers (too lazy to add one by one to see which one was the correct one) and now I have 0.2.3-maemo2 version installed. Didn't solve the thumbnail problem though :mad: I also re-installed the flickr plugin just in case there was also something wrong with that but no help. Looks like either plugin does nothing. I don't see any new menu items anywhere. Does anyone have more good ideas?

stl1859

11-02-2009, 03:17 PM

I enabled Maemo Extras-Devel and Hackers (too lazy to add one by one to see which one was the correct one) and now I have 0.2.3-maemo2 version installed. Didn't solve the thumbnail problem though :mad: I also re-installed the flickr plugin just in case there was also something wrong with that but no help. Looks like either plugin does nothing. I don't see any new menu items anywhere. Does anyone have more good ideas?

extras-devel is what you need.

I am surprised that it did not work for you. It is working for me perfectly. I just refreshed my database last night to add some more files, and cover art generation was fast and painless. Have you tried starting from canola cleanup and then going all the way ? Quite honestly, while I have 0.2.3-maemo2, I never uninstalled the flickr plugin, so I do not know if the latest tuning plugin solved anything. But I will try to uninstall everything tonight and reinstall one by one and let you know how it goes

stl1859

11-02-2009, 07:56 PM

Okay - I tried this all over again

(a) ran canola-cleanup to wipe out all traces of canola from my tablet.

(b) installed Canola2 Media Player version 2.0.0-maemo1

(c) installed Canola2 Tuning Plugin version 0.2.3-maemo2

I have been able to set up my music, video and photo library, and generate cover arts for all my albums. The Tuning Plugin seems to be working okay. The only glitch that I encountered was that my videos were not recognized the first time around, and I had to restart once.

I did not install any other plugins this time.

Let me know if i can provide any more information that can help you debug

tori

11-02-2009, 10:10 PM

so....
I didn't yet...
Is there any reason for that upgrade, or it is just a cause of problems?

Fargus

11-02-2009, 10:33 PM

I'm getting a bunch of errors too and I'm loathed to remove and risk having a non-working version of the application especially as I have a lot of podcast subscriptions etceteras working at present.

jpt000

11-03-2009, 06:25 AM

Removed old version and installed this one and upnp plugin, but I can't connect to upnp (no icon to set it up). Am I missing something?

Rune

11-03-2009, 08:43 AM

I too am having problems with the upnp plugin.

starting canola with -v -v returns:

DBG_E plugin_manager:163:_load_plugins() [No module named canola-upnp.upnp.model] while loading plugin 'UPnP Model', skipping it ...
ImportError: No module named canola-upnp.upnp.model

It appears that the upnp plugin is not yet compatible with the 'new' canola. Any chance of an updated version?
(It's a shame, really, upnp is the thing I use the most in canola.)

stl1859

11-03-2009, 10:14 AM

It appears that the upnp plugin is not yet compatible with the 'new' canola. Any chance of an updated version?
(It's a shame, really, upnp is the thing I use the most in canola.)

That is most likely the problem. If you go to http://code.openbossa.org/projects/canola-upnp , you will notice that the uPnP plugin has not been updated since May 31. Most of the other plugins were updated on October 30th before the 2.0.0 version came out

GeraldKo

11-03-2009, 04:06 PM

Is there any reason for [this] upgrade, or it is just a cause of problems?

Good question. Anyone whose upgraded want to say what's different?

stl1859

11-03-2009, 05:14 PM

Good question. Anyone whose upgraded want to say what's different?

From my limited experience ( I only use it as an MP3 player - nothing more - not even video ) so far, I can tell

(a) The app appears to be more responsive

(b) There is now a single "main menu" instead of a multilevel menu, so it is faster to get to your media / plugin. What options show up on this 'menu' is configurable

(c) Once in a while you see glitches in the app - like a widget not showing or the wrong widget showing - This is more often than I have seen in the past - but not as often that it becomes a nuisance. And in most cases some screen refreshes ( i.e. moving to another screen and back) will make the problem go away and in certain cases an application restart is needed.

From what I can tell, there is no desperate reason to upgrade, but I did not have any reason not to upgrade either, and this way I will be on track for future upgrades as these problems get resolved.

Mixu

11-06-2009, 10:30 AM

extras-devel is what you need.

I am surprised that it did not work for you. It is working for me perfectly. I just refreshed my database last night to add some more files, and cover art generation was fast and painless. Have you tried starting from canola cleanup and then going all the way ? Quite honestly, while I have 0.2.3-maemo2, I never uninstalled the flickr plugin, so I do not know if the latest tuning plugin solved anything. But I will try to uninstall everything tonight and reinstall one by one and let you know how it goes

Ran cleanup (0.1.8-maemo3) again, installed Canola 2.0.0-maemo1 and Tuning plugin 0.2.3-maemo2. Still same ****.

I'm not familiar with Linux so could someone kindly give any hints where to find some Canola log files or something where I could check what goes wrong?

Or is there any other good, working, media player for N810? I checked Canola bug tracker and it looks like the Canola project has been dead for one year (no comments, no assignments). I really liked Canola but for some weird reason this bug annoys me quite much. I guess it worked so well before that my expectations are very high.

stl1859

11-06-2009, 01:03 PM

Ran cleanup (0.1.8-maemo3) again, installed Canola 2.0.0-maemo1 and Tuning plugin 0.2.3-maemo2. Still same ****.

I'm not familiar with Linux so could someone kindly give any hints where to find some Canola log files or something where I could check what goes wrong?

Or is there any other good, working, media player for N810? I checked Canola bug tracker and it looks like the Canola project has been dead for one year (no comments, no assignments). I really liked Canola but for some weird reason this bug annoys me quite much. I guess it worked so well before that my expectations are very high.

You can open up xterm and run 'canola -vvv' and redirect the output to a log file.

Have you tried installing the flickr plugin to see if that brings the tuning plugin back to life ?

Mixu

11-06-2009, 02:39 PM

You can open up xterm and run 'canola -vvv' and redirect the output to a log file.

Have you tried installing the flickr plugin to see if that brings the tuning plugin back to life ?

I tried Canola with Flickr plugin and it didn't do anything. I couldn't find any extra menus or anything (although I have to confess that I haven't used Canola for photo viewing so I might have missed it).

I ran Canola with -vvv switch but I don't know how to redirect the output to a file. '> filename' only produced empty file and output still came to console. If someone could give more help for Linux beginner? Thank you!

stl1859

11-06-2009, 02:44 PM

I tried Canola with Flickr plugin and it didn't do anything. I couldn't find any extra menus or anything (although I have to confess that I haven't used Canola for photo viewing so I might have missed it).

I ran Canola with -vvv switch but I don't know how to redirect the output to a file. '> filename' only produced empty file and output still came to console. If someone could give more help for Linux beginner? Thank you!

So if you install canola, then the tuning plugin, and then the flickr plugin, and then restart canola and go to Settings (icon on the bottom right corner) ->Media Library - you do not see the "Cover art and thumbnails" option ?

Actually - i should have mentioned - you need to redirect stderr - so you need to do '2>' - something like 'canola -vvv 2> canola.log'

If this continues to be a problem, I suggest that you post the logfile to the bug report that I already opened => https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5951

Mixu

11-06-2009, 03:23 PM

So if you install canola, then the tuning plugin, and then the flickr plugin, and then restart canola and go to Settings (icon on the bottom right corner) ->Media Library - you do not see the "Cover art and thumbnails" option ?

Actually - i should have mentioned - you need to redirect stderr - so you need to do '2>' - something like 'canola -vvv 2> canola.log'

If this continues to be a problem, I suggest that you post the logfile to the bug report that I already opened => https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5951

Yes, I don't see that menu. There's only two menus - Media folders and Multiple album entries.

Now I got the output to a file. Thanks! It seems that my problem is different than yours. Download manager, Tuning, Flickr, Photocast and many more are not loaded because module named _md5t is missing

1257537972.4387 [31mDBG_E[0m [1mplugin_manager:163:_load_plugins()[0m [No module named _md5] while loading plugin 'Canola Tuning Model', skipping it ...
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "python-terra/core/plugin_manager.py", line 160, in _load_plugins
File "python-terra/core/plugin_manager.py", line 103, in load
File "python-terra/core/module_loader.py", line 52, in load
File "canola-tuning/tuning/model.py", line 32, in <module>
File "canola-tuning/tuning/backend.py", line 35, in <module>
File "canola-tuning/tuning/tuning_manager.py", line 29, in <module>
File "/usr/lib/python2.5/md5.py", line 6, in <module>
File "/usr/lib/python2.5/hashlib.py", line 133, in <module>
File "/usr/lib/python2.5/hashlib.py", line 60, in __get_builtin_constructor
ImportError: No module named _md5

I will post the complete log file to bug report later. (BTW. I went to Garage bug tracker from Canola's web site previously. That's why it looked totally dead. My bad!)

stl1859

11-06-2009, 04:11 PM

you are correct - I have not seen that error before. However it appears to be a very common error, and has something to do with your python installation . Unfortunately I do not know much more than that - hopefully some python experts will be able to chime in and help

Fargus

11-06-2009, 04:29 PM

Well application manager has a complete hissy fit when I try to upgrade. Loathed to uninstall Canola and start again if I have to go through the tedium of setting up podcasts url's & account details again. Current version slow but works. I'm waiting until the deb packages are back to normal stability.

Mixu

11-09-2009, 06:02 AM

Does someone have any idea what to do with my Python installation? Or is it really so that I'm the only one having this exact problem?

See my previous message (http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=367715&postcount=24)

Symyon

11-13-2009, 04:03 PM

stl1859

11-13-2009, 04:39 PM

What version of python do you have installed ?

Mixu

11-15-2009, 02:54 AM

What version of python do you have installed ?

I have Python 2.5.2. What about Symyon?

stl1859

11-15-2009, 11:45 AM

I have Python 2.5.2. What about Symyon?

Strange - I have the same version installed - and I do not have the same problem.

Mixu

11-15-2009, 03:27 PM

So, my Python installation is somehow broken or incomplete. How do I re-install it?

mfortner

11-15-2009, 04:04 PM

Trying to install I get:

Unable to install
Conflict with application packages:libecore0-desktop (0.9.9.050+svn38845-maemo1)

I did not see this package in any of the usual user oriented repos. I also checked in Maemo Exrtas Devel and Diablo Extras Devel.

After doing this it seemed to install:
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=137828&postcount=2

lschumanfcoe

11-15-2009, 04:53 PM

Mixu

11-15-2009, 05:13 PM

After running Canola cleanup I got everything to work - but there is no longer an option for video. Of any kind; regular, youtube plugin or anything. It doesn't show up as a category within the options either. Just music and photos. It does seem to run more smooth, though. Maybe that was the purpose of the update?

I think that wasn't the purpose of the update... If you run canola from xterm with -vvv option (see posts from stl1859 in this thread: 21 (http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=367595&postcount=21) & 23 (http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=367682&postcount=23)) you will probably notice that you and I have same problem. Python installation is broken and that prevents Canola from loading certain components which are needed for example for video and Canola tuning plugin.

lschumanfcoe

11-18-2009, 11:33 AM

I think that wasn't the purpose of the update... If you run canola from xterm with -vvv option (see posts from stl1859 in this thread: 21 (http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=367595&postcount=21) & 23 (http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=367682&postcount=23)) you will probably notice that you and I have same problem. Python installation is broken and that prevents Canola from loading certain components which are needed for example for video and Canola tuning plugin.

So are we SOL in the meantime? I will say that I still find it very useful as a music player, and that I tend to use @scence for youtube and Mediabox for videos (they run more smoothly than on Canola2) anyway. So I guess it doesn't matter much to me right now, though I bet people who rely on Canola2 for all of their media are pretty unhappy that they updated.

I did check the Canola2 page and didn't find any updates there for many, many months. So I don't know if they are aware of any problems.

Fargus

11-18-2009, 11:42 AM

So are we SOL in the meantime? I will say that I still find it very useful as a music player, and that I tend to use @scence for youtube and Mediabox for videos (they run more smoothly than on Canola2) anyway. So I guess it doesn't matter much to me right now, though I bet people who rely on Canola2 for all of their media are pretty unhappy that they updated.

I did check the Canola2 page and didn't find any updates there for many, many months. So I don't know if they are aware of any problems.

Well I know you guys aren't happy that things are broken but thanks for the updates - I've avoided the update and still working fine for me.

lschumanfcoe

11-18-2009, 12:18 PM

Well I know you guys aren't happy that things are broken but thanks for the updates - I've avoided the update and still working fine for me.

Lucky! And usually I'm the late adopter.

mfortner

11-18-2009, 02:48 PM

Like I said above. I did this and then installed. Its working fine:
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=137828&postcount=2

stl1859

11-18-2009, 02:55 PM

Like I said above. I did this and then installed. Its working fine:
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=137828&postcount=2

yeah - but isn't that basically doing a canola cleanup followed by installing beta 11 ?

The latest update works for me - which means that it is some freak error that is causing that python error for some. Its really sad that nobody from canola dev. seems to be looking at the bug reports posted.

At risk of sounding like a broken record again - have any of you tried installing ALL plugins and ALL themes and checked to see if that helped ( in the past I have only talked about one specific plugin)

Mixu

11-18-2009, 04:16 PM

yeah - but isn't that basically doing a canola cleanup followed by installing beta 11 ?

The latest update works for me - which means that it is some freak error that is causing that python error for some. Its really sad that nobody from canola dev. seems to be looking at the bug reports posted.

At risk of sounding like a broken record again - have any of you tried installing ALL plugins and ALL themes and checked to see if that helped ( in the past I have only talked about one specific plugin)

I just tried installing bloody everything that has canola in its name and nothing.

I guess developers don't care about N8x0 any more. Most threads here are about N900 nowadays. What a shame... :( I don't remember anymore what kind of media player N900 has but maybe it's good enough so that there's no point to develop Canola anymore.

hordeman

11-19-2009, 01:11 AM

ok... i just tried upgrading thinking it was safe to do so. BIG MISTAKE. Like others, the plugins don't work ... I just want my album art back.

Can anyone help me get Beta 11 back? I can't find it anywhere.

For the record, the latest version does work, but there isn't anything drastically different... so if you have beta11 DON'T UPGRADE!!!

lschumanfcoe

11-19-2009, 02:34 AM

Even if the upgrade ever works properly, I'm kind of wondering about the purpose. This time there doesn't seem to have been any fanfare; I've only had my N810 for 11 months but I recall developer-started threads with Canola 2 announcements and a lot of updated news on the program's website. The last thing I recall hearing from Canola 2's developers involved a competition that was to lead to new user-developed themes. It was way over my head so I never participated, though I was anticipating some new themes to try. Did any ever materialize?

I hope I don't sound like I'm ungrateful. Even with its (for me) currently limited function as a music player, I am still amazed with how smoothly functioning and great looking Canola 2 truly is. It would just be a shame to have it fade away like this.

Tzeentch

11-19-2009, 10:40 AM

I got caught too. I had disabled the extra-devel repository to make sure I wasn't getting anything that would break functionalities.
But when I was notified of updates via the desktop, I tried to install that version o Canola2.
After getting the initial blockers, I uninstalled Canola2 beta11 and installed that new version. After firing it up all I got is the Music and Photo icons.
I use Canola2 for much more, especially podcast through RSS feeds...

So what's the sure way to downgrade back to beta11 without breaking anything?

Posted bug 6253 : https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6253

hordeman

11-19-2009, 05:00 PM

Yeah, going back to Beta 11 is what I'd like to do, but unless this problem gets fixed with the newer version, we'll be SOL when we reflash our devices. :(

GeraldKo

11-20-2009, 06:19 PM

Yeah, going back to Beta 11 is what I'd like to do, but unless this problem gets fixed with the newer version, we'll be SOL when we reflash our devices. :(

You're right. And it's a pisser.

Also, I believe there is no more Canola development team. Period.

Shortly after I started this thread, I wrote to "handful" -- the main contact between us (at the time, InternetTabletTalk.com) and the developers (OpenBossa, a Nokia-affiliated group in Brazil). He never responded.

Then, three days ago, I emailed the development team, from the OpenBossa website, the following, and I never heard back.

*Many* N800 and N810 users are having trouble with a recent (October 31?) Canola2 update, as described briefly in my originating post of this thread:

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=33799

Please take a look at that thread, in maemo.org (previously InternetTabletTalk.com).

Could someone from OpenBossa please either write back to me or get on the thread and help people. I wrote to openbossa's usual contact person with maemo.org's (InternetTabletTalk's) -- "handful" = Marcelo Eduardo -- and didn't hear back from him.

Also, it would be very useful -- especially for instances like this -- for users to be able to access older installation files; most open-source developers keep those available. I can't find them for Canola2 and its plug-ins. Where are they? (I found links such as here:

http://www.openbossa.indt.org/canola2/install.html and
http://openbossa.indt.org.br/canola1/help.html

but there is no way, at least on my PC just looking at the Web, to see precisely what files I would be downloading. You also have files on your "garage" page, but those are old and don't seem to have been updated.

I very much hope to hear from you and see someone from the Canola2 development team on the talk.maemo.org thread I referenced at the beginning of this email. Thanks!

I hate this disappearing debs problem. It's starting to crop up elsewhere, too, like here:

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=384359&postcount=40

I'm getting the feeling I need to download, to my PC, debs for all of my many, many NIT programs so my N800 doesn't get obsoleted. It shouldn't be like that.

lschumanfcoe

11-21-2009, 12:54 PM

You're right. And it's a pisser.

Also, I believe there is no more Canola development team. Period.

For those of you who have been around for a while, this kind of thing is unusual, right? It seems odd that a long-standing and beloved program that has been developed, updated and maintained with such care (not to mention one that has a vocally appreciative and devoted fan base) would be mangled by a broken official upgrade and abandoned once and for all.

Back in 2008 when I was researching some potential gadgets, Canola 2 was featured again and again as a "killer app" and a major reason for going with a Nokia tablet.

I hope the "killer app" hasn't been murdered in turn, by its developers! To quote Shakespeare (or not): "...'twould be a foul deed..."

Fargus

11-21-2009, 01:01 PM

Lucky! And usually I'm the late adopter.

Actually when the update showed I went to install and it threw a fit. I've been up against deadlines for development so I didn't bother and now I am glad I didn't! :)

hordeman

11-21-2009, 02:19 PM

Well, here's the link to beta11. I tried installing, but it complained about all these other dependencies. When I tried to manually install the dependancies, I got an incompatible package error. When I tried to do an "apt-get -f install", I get a can't find the .deb error.

Anybody know how to resolve for this? http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/non-free/c/canola2/canola2_2.0.0~beta11-maemo3_all.deb

GeraldKo

11-21-2009, 05:19 PM

I've just started a thread to see if I can help you guys out.

If I have App X installed on my NIT, and you want it, but there is no longer a .deb, how do I "give" you App X to install? (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=385630#post385630)

hordeman

11-21-2009, 06:16 PM

I don't know what changed, but I ran canola cleanup twice and reinstalled. Now, the plugins seem to work!!!! Willr eport later... I have to run.

Snoshrk

11-21-2009, 08:38 PM

?Why does running canola cleanup uninstall/remove Bluemaemo too?

hordeman

11-21-2009, 09:41 PM

i have no idea why yet, but confirmed that everything is working. the only other thing i can think of is that i disabled a duplicate repository for maemo extras. the other one did not call out chinook or diablo.... maybe this had an effect on the dependencies?

updated: here are some screenshots

Snoshrk

11-22-2009, 08:38 PM

I am now officially confused....:o

After multiple uninstalls & cleanups run... Canola2 2.0 Launches Yeah!

New interface is nice and the ability to remove icons from the home screen are cool.

It is however v___e___r___y slow loading ( indexing at start is turned off)

I can navigate to my media folder on the external SD and see all my music listed...however no files are found?:confused:

I had to install Mediabox to listen to my music :( (nothing against MB but I did like Canola better)

Mixu

11-23-2009, 03:04 AM

I don't know what changed, but I ran canola cleanup twice and reinstalled. Now, the plugins seem to work!!!! Willr eport later... I have to run.

[Edit]
I re-installed Canola in the morning and it didn't cure my problem (still got this missing _md5 module error). Now I re-installed Tuning plugin and the problem disappeared. Back to happy. :D

So the Tuning plugin is now fixed but Canola itself can still have dependency problems.

Mixu

11-23-2009, 06:49 AM

I am now officially confused....:o

After multiple uninstalls & cleanups run... Canola2 2.0 Launches Yeah!

I can navigate to my media folder on the external SD and see all my music listed...however no files are found?:confused:

I had same problem but restarting Canola fixed it. I'm not able to add new files at the moment but have to test it when I get back home. Hopefuly you don't need to restart every time that you change the library..

hordeman

11-23-2009, 04:49 PM

[Edit]
I re-installed Canola in the morning and it didn't cure my problem (still got this missing _md5 module error). Now I re-installed Tuning plugin and the problem disappeared. Back to happy. :D

So the Tuning plugin is now fixed but Canola itself can still have dependency problems.

I didn't have any dependency issues when it successfully installed. I would strongly recommend that you try matching up your repository entry for Maemo Extras with how I have it. I have a feeling that this is what was causing problems.

stl1859

11-23-2009, 05:13 PM

I didn't have any dependency issues when it successfully installed. I would strongly recommend that you try matching up your repository entry for Maemo Extras with how I have it. I have a feeling that this is what was causing problems.

I think so too - because my repositories are set up just like you have - and I did not realize that I had an entry that did not explicitly say 'diablo' and turns out that I do - and maybe that is the reason I did not have any issues.

handful

11-23-2009, 06:12 PM

Guys,

sorry for the lack of reply, and unfortunately like GeraldK pointed out, the Canola team was officially dismissed, and Etrunko is doing whatever he can in his free time.

I checked and unfortunately the site was sending email to the wrong address ( marcelo.oliveira ) now is marcelo.eduardo

Anyhow, Etrunko is the only one that can fix this, He was already looking into the issues, as I was got some messages from old users on my personal gtalk account. But now he has been on vacations ( he was also fixing several stuff but the focus was to get it working on the Maemo5). He pointed out that it looked like a lot of things changed in the repos, so the fix was not straight forward.

We really want to dedicate more time to that, but we were also overloaded with current projects and lack of new team members. So even free time has been a problem.

Anyhow, the situation is quite serious and we are deeply sorry, we tried our best to convince people here that the app deserved "comercial" grade support, but people said "don't worry" community will take care what of course didn't happens ;) even when we told them it wouldn't .

Etrunko will for sure enter and come back to you with updates.

Best regards

Marcelo

hordeman

11-23-2009, 08:22 PM

Hey Marcelo,

It was a good feeling to see your icon! Thanks for checking in to let us know what is happening. Looking forward to hearing from Etrunko.

BTW, I may have missed something, but I don't think Canola's source has been released yet, correct? (If not, not sure how the community could fix this.) :)

Thank you!
H.

GeraldKo

11-23-2009, 09:06 PM

I have to agree, it's nice to see your icon, handful! (Though I rather miss the version that had your sweetheart in the picture, too.)

Thanks for visiting us here. I look forward to Etrunko's visit and fix.

lschumanfcoe

12-13-2009, 11:07 PM

Any word on a fix? Having a broken Canola 2 is depressing me more than I thought it would!

GeraldKo

12-13-2009, 11:27 PM

timwatt

12-13-2009, 11:57 PM

This is all a little sad, while I had no intention of ever installing Canola in my n810, once I did I fell in love with the way it handled RSS and Pod-casts youtube and my photos .

Canola set the bar for pod-casting I was able to download 6 pod casts in the morning before I left and listen to them at leisure. (I wish there was a purge RSS cash though) my n810 touch screen died and I have patently waited for my n900, and now it is here I enjoy there are many improvements on the media player but i stress it docent touch Canola`s ability to manage RSS pod-casts and downloads.

Mixu

12-14-2009, 02:07 AM

Any word on a fix? Having a broken Canola 2 is depressing me more than I thought it would!

Installing the latest version of Canola tuning plugin is the cure at the moment. At least it worked for me and few others who reported problems. I think you need to cleanup the current installation first and then install Canola and tuning plugin.

hordeman

12-14-2009, 09:09 PM

Installing the latest version of Canola tuning plugin is the cure at the moment. At least it worked for me and few others who reported problems. I think you need to cleanup the current installation first and then install Canola and tuning plugin.

this is true!

lschumanfcoe

12-19-2009, 06:45 PM

Tried just that and still no luck. I uninstalled anything Canola 2-related, ran the cleanup, and reinstalled Canola 2 and the tuning add-on. Still won't show video. Very irritating. I think I'm done trying to work with Canola 2 and will stick with Mediabox for everything.

GeraldKo

12-19-2009, 09:36 PM

I've sent a message to Etrunko and a new message to Handful (lead people involved in Canola's development and with communicating with about it with the Maemo community) asking them to visit this thread and provide help.

etrunko

12-22-2009, 12:28 PM

Hey guys,

As you've already heard from Marcelo (Handful), I am actually the only one working on Canola, and it has been done basically during my free time, which has not been much for quite some time.

Before I left for my 30 day vacation, internal projects were demanding more than full work time from myself and other guys. It was quite stressful for the great majority of people and we did deserve the days off. Also, I must add that Internet connection here in Brazil is a big deal in cities I usually stay during the period, visiting my parents and family. So, you might guess that I spent basically all my vacations offline.

With that said, I'll try to keep up with the Canola issues reported here in the forums. But I would like very much to ask to you all to help me to filter the problems. If possible, I would be very glad if you joined the #canola IRC channel on freenode (same network of #maemo). It's definitely the best and quickest way to contact me as I have to check this many other communication channels, such as bugzilla, mailing lists and the forum itself.

So, in summary, I'm reading the full thread in this very moment to trying to distill the issues.

Thank you all for your understanding and patience.

Kind regards, Etrunko

etrunko

12-22-2009, 12:52 PM

The automatic application updater is alerting me to update to various Canola2 packages. For example, Canola2 Media Player 2.0.0-maemo1 to replace 2.0.0-beta11-maemo3; and Canola2 Tuning Plugin 0.2.3-maemo1 to replace 0.2.2-maemo1.

I have any devel catalogues disabled. So this recommended update is coming from some "ordinary" repo.

First of all, Canola was not promoted from extras-devel to neither extras testing, nor extras repository for Diablo and Fremantle. It's only available on the extras repository for the ancient and unmaintained Chinook, which runs only on the N800 devices. Anyway, I thought most of you who own one of those had already upgraded to Diablo long time ago. If not, you should do it ASAP. ;)

But they are not installable due to conflicts (like with lots of apps whose names start with "lightmediascanner0 ... ").

So handful and you openbossa guys (or anyone else in the know): what's going on?

So basically this is one of the reasons why Canola has not been promoted to the extras repository yet. Application Manager can't handle conflicting packages correctly. There is indeed some lightmediascanner conflicting packages and it was needed so we could follow the upstream debian packages.

One simple solution and something that proves that App Mgr is missing some feature (or it is indeed a bug - still need to check) is to get root on xterm and type:

# apt-get install canola2

It will see the conflicts, but will also see that the new packages replace the old ones and installation will succeed.

etrunko

12-22-2009, 12:59 PM

However, now the Canola tuning doesn't work so I don't have any cover art at the moment :mad: So, if yout Canola installation works, don't fix it ;)

Yeah, I'm aware of the problem, it was related to the Canola-Tuning package list of dependencies.

Anyway, I seriously think by now that canola tuning plugin code should be merged back to the main tree. The album cover and video thumbnail feature should be enabled by default, IMHO.

etrunko

12-22-2009, 01:05 PM

Canola cleanup worked for me, reinstalled Canola, but now I couldn't get Carman working. It removed it in the process, after reinstall it keeps throwing me "No Plugin Found" errors, and it couldn't access the config file.

This is another reason why the package has not been promoted to extras repository. The latest EFL build breaks compatibility with previous versions. So we need to adapt the Carman packages to this new version. The same applies to all other packages built on the EFL stack.

Unfortunately, as you may have guessed by now, Carman has the same maintenance problem as Canola. Actually it's a bit worse, as it hasn't got any devs devoting their spare time to it. I will try to get the issue solved at least to get it working. But to be honest, don't expect any other bugs or features implemented for Carman. :(

GeraldKo

12-22-2009, 01:37 PM

First of all, Canola was not promoted from extras-devel to neither extras testing, nor extras repository for Diablo and Fremantle. It's only available on the extras repository for the ancient and unmaintained Chinook, which runs only on the N800 devices. Anyway, I thought most of you who own one of those had already upgraded to Diablo long time ago. If not, you should do it ASAP. ;)

So basically this is one of the reasons why Canola has not been promoted to the extras repository yet. Application Manager can't handle conflicting packages correctly. There is indeed some lightmediascanner conflicting packages and it was needed so we could follow the upstream debian packages.

One simple solution and something that proves that App Mgr is missing some feature (or it is indeed a bug - still need to check) is to get root on xterm and type:

# apt-get install canola2

It will see the conflicts, but will also see that the new packages replace the old ones and installation will succeed.

First, Etrunko, thanks for coming here! I hope you enjoyed your vacation. I think it's great you don't have good internet and can't work while on vacation -- you shouldn't have to!

I don't understand your post about Chinook and Diablo and the repositories. Are you saying that there has never been a Canola release for Diablo and we "shouldn't" be using it on Diablo?

Also, are you aware that the automatic-update feature of Diablo is pushing the Canola update at us? If it's not coming from the Diablo Extras repository, where is it coming from?

Thanks.

etrunko

12-22-2009, 02:07 PM

I don't understand your post about Chinook and Diablo and the repositories. Are you saying that there has never been a Canola release for Diablo and we "shouldn't" be using it on Diablo?

It's pretty simple. The Canola2 version 2.0.0 is not available in Diablo extras yet, it's only in extras-devel. Check it out on the links to the repository:

extras-devel (http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/c/)

extras (http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo/free/c/)

You may notice there is no canola2/ folder in the extras link provided.

Also, are you aware that the automatic-update feature of Diablo is pushing the Canola update at us? If it's not coming from the Diablo Extras repository, where is it coming from?

Yes, I'm pretty aware of that feature, and I suspect you may have somehow enabled the extras-devel repository. You may check the Application Manager or even the following files:

/etc/apt/sources.list
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list

Lines begining with a # are disabled.

GeraldKo

12-22-2009, 02:53 PM

In Application Manager, I have Maemo Extras-Devel DISabled. And when I do occasionally enable it, I get all sorts of suggested updates. But I usually have it disabled, and I always have the suggested Canola2 update.

Is it because I have Maemo Chinook enabled? But shouldn't SSU/Canola2 know not to update my Canola2 in Diablo even if Maemo Chinook Repository is enabled?

The other repositories I have enabled are:

Nokia catalog
Nokia catalog (3rd party software)
Nokia System Software Updates
maemo Extras
Browser Extras
FBReader Repository
Maemo Chinook
Mozilla Catalog
Nokia certified
Qole (has the tear browser)
Wardenclyffe
debfarm
maemo Extra Diablo
maemo Extras
tschmidt

etrunko

12-22-2009, 04:52 PM

Is it because I have Maemo Chinook enabled? But shouldn't SSU/Canola2 know not to update my Canola2 in Diablo even if Maemo Chinook Repository is enabled?

Bingo! So you are running Diablo and have the Chinook repository enabled, that's the exact reason you still get the update sign.

I mean, Diablo was meant to replace Chinook in every way. Besides being somehow compatible, many system libraries and binary programs have been replaced by updated version and others might even have been dropped.

In other words, you shouldn't have that Chinook repository enabled in your tablet running Diablo.

The same applies for people running Chinook, who shouldn't have the Diablo repositories enabled.

GeraldKo

12-23-2009, 12:41 AM

Thanks for clearing that up.

On the other hand, I believe I successfully use some Chinook apps for which there are no Diablo versions. (In fact, if I'm following what you've written in this thread, it sounds like Canola2 may be one of them.)

hordeman

12-23-2009, 02:54 AM

any word on when the source will be released so others can help with development and porting to future OSes?

etrunko

12-23-2009, 09:39 AM

any word on when the source will be released so others can help with development and porting to future OSes?

Source has been released since March this year. Check the post on my blog (http://etrunko.blogspot.com/2009/03/canola-is-free.html). Code is available on our own installation of gitorious

http://code.openbossa.org

We'll be looking forward for your contributions. :)

GeraldKo

12-23-2009, 07:26 PM

About the repositories: Removing "Maemo Chinook" was inadequate -- the SSU still asked me to update Canola2. It kept asking me to until I removed the word "Chinook" from the Distributions line in the catalog called "maemo Extras Diablo."

goodfellabk718

01-03-2010, 11:15 PM

goodfellabk718

01-04-2010, 09:48 AM

bumpity bump bump

etrunko

01-04-2010, 12:27 PM

im having a problem with canola2 2.0.0 Whenever i go to change themes the app closes. Its as soon as I click on Themes. Also whenever i go to cover art and then back out using the bottom left button the app closes. Im not sure what to do. I've reinstalled the app multiple times using the app mgr but same results.

Any ideas?

This is a known bug. The "app closes" is actually a crash. Still investigating the reasons for this, but haven't found anything about it. What we know is it only happens when accessing certain items on Settings/Options, which may be related to the use of old version of libraries, and that it only happens in Fremantle. See the bug for more information:

https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5517

plaban

01-04-2010, 12:47 PM

How to see the camera photos using canola?

etrunko

01-06-2010, 03:23 PM

For people running Canola on the N900, there is a workaround for typing text in the entry fields described in Maemo bugzilla #6511

https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6511

We still need to find the proper fix for that though. :)

io.porges

01-06-2010, 10:21 PM

To summarize:

I've read the thread, tried everything suggested, and found a fix for the problems resulting from updating to canola2 version 2.0.0-maemo1 [only shows music and pictures in main menu, settings button becomes gears in bottom right hand corner, tuning plugin installation does not change settings options]

Solutions that did not work for me:
I've gathered that different people had different problems, with different possible resolutions. Installing the flikr plugin or others to resolve the problem with python did not work for me, though it did for others. Uninstalling canola2, running the cleaner, and reinstalling from applications manager or the website did not work for me, though it did for others.

Solution that did work for me:
I gathered that some users had a problem with chinook repositories when running diablo. This turned out to be the problem. I removed chinook extras, added diablo extras, ran canola cleaner, and reinstalled by typing "apt-get install canola2" as root, and this finally fixed the problem.

To remove chinook extras, go to applications manager, click the drop down menu "application manager > tools > application catalogue" and remove anything with "chinook" under distribution.

To add diablo extras, click "install" under Latest releases - Diablo Extras at http://repository.maemo.org/

To get root access, install rootsh, open a terminal, and type "root".

SpiritGeek

02-17-2010, 12:38 PM

I gathered that some users had a problem with chinook repositories when running diablo. This turned out to be the problem. I removed chinook extras, added diablo extras, ran canola cleaner, and reinstalled by typing "apt-get install canola2" as root, and this finally fixed the problem.

Thank you so much! I've been wrestling with this all morning, and now it finally works!

Just a note for others, I found that simply removing the Chinook repo and leaving the Diablo repo was all I needed to do. After that, I just ran Canola cleaner and installed Canola2 and the Tuning plugin as normal from the application manager (no need to fool with root or apt-get).

squirreluk

02-20-2010, 11:57 AM

when i try to search on conola2 last.fm it comes up (unable to resolve url) is there a fix for this?

ltch

02-20-2010, 08:24 PM

I found that simply removing the Chinook repo and leaving the Diablo repo was all I needed to do. After that, I just ran Canola cleaner and installed Canola2 and the Tuning plugin as normal from the application manager (no need to fool with root or apt-get).

this fixed my canola install as well.

izzox

03-24-2010, 10:16 AM

Did anyone actually installed the canola-IM pluging?
i'm having some troubles with because it's requiring python-telepathy and python-core. I have no idea of where to find those. any help?

dormant

04-01-2010, 08:49 PM

Can I ask here about the uPnP plugin?

I installed Canola2 2.0.0-maemo1 and the uPnP plugin 0.1.2-maemo2.

But canola doesn't give me a media server option?

Did I do something stupid?

wolfs are great!!!

04-03-2010, 12:31 AM

Hi, everyone. I am using a N810 OS2008 Diablo tablet. I am having problems with Canola 2. Idid everything in this post. First, I could not start Canola. Using canola-cleanup solved this. However, I used to have Canola2.0.0 maemo 2 installed. Afterwards, it installed maemo 1 version, not maemo 2. Now, I can not use plugins. Someone, please help me!

wolfruler

04-13-2010, 02:00 PM

Canola was running fine until last week when I started having trouble playing youtube on my N810 wimax (RX-48). Now I get the error that says "unable to resolve url". Have unistalled and reinstalled everything. Even restored back to two months ago. Tried canola-cleanup but that gives me an error as well "Unsupported platform, please report"

Any ideas or other post I should try?:confused:

leetut

06-10-2010, 08:37 AM

can anyone help me install canola, it wont install, says conflict with libeina0
i ran apt-get remove libeina0 but it said it wasnt installed, ive read lots of threads on canola but most of them are 2 years old and dont fix my problem,
also read a post with a guy asking for the same help, but no information what to do, really frustrating this linux packages stuff, i have just installed it on a friends n900 no problem, think its because i had enna installed but ive since removed that

morr22066

06-20-2010, 02:40 PM

I have an N810 with OS2008 Diablo.

Canola 2 is great, the canola program continues to get better all the time. Of course I have a wish list and did want to report an issue I had with installation.

I could not get it to install, it kept saying there was a conflict, I went through everyting until I found that once I uninstalled Quick Clip it installed fine.

I am still unable to install the "Canola IM Plugin", it says there are three missing "telephathy" files. I would like to be able to install this plug in.

This could become a "primary user interface" which would be great and it is very close to being there. The "icon access" and scrolling menu is wonderful and gives it a more "modern" feel.

It is visually appealing, easy to operate and would make the nokia tablets more competetive and appealing to those who like the iPod touch, iPhone and Android user interface systems...

Wish list:

It could be my primary "user interface" for the things that I use the tablet for most often with just a few more tweaks.

Allow it to link to other files, either other programs or a specific folder that may be stored on a memory card. And allow the user to create / add an icon for the folder / link.

Like, I have lots of flash games in a folder and since Canola is a "media" player, I would love to be able to create an icon and a link to my game folder.

An equalizer for the audio would be great, even if it is a separate program rather than a plug in, so long as we can create a link and icon to it and access it from Canola.

A few more options in the menu would be very nice. Like, display properties, allow the user to select the number of rows and / or colums to display. I would like to be able to display two rows / colums and be able to scroll through the list. And allow the user to move and "organize" the icons into groups or at least let the user decide in what order they will display.

Add either a plugin or a way to let the user create an icon and link to a text reader, book reader, audio book program.

Along the same lines, I would like to see a web browser either as a plugin or a user created link and icon.

And having to enter URL's manually really is a pain, could you create an option for the user to "access" the browser history or the bookmarks so that we can add a URL that way. If we could simply select a URL from the bookmarks or history it would really simplify things.