Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo

[DannStarr]

Try updating the location server from the default nokia server to google's at supl.google.com this made the ovi maps obtain a lock so much faster for me..

does anyone have any idea when sygic will be released?

How do you do this?

[lma]

Sygic will sell individual packages of groups of countries, but also package of whole Europe and package of all US countries.

Great news indeed, looking forward to the release :-)

I don't suppose you have a Maemo 4.1 (Diablo) version in the works too?

[danramos]

The price has to be right considering that maemo can still get the free ovimaps, and the other gps apps that are being tested like navit.I only way i will get this is if it's FREE since Ovi Nav is already FREE and Ovi Nav is better than this. It does no justification to buy a program that ISN'T BETTER THAN THE FREE VERSION.

Does OviMaps really appear to be that qualitatively competitive with Sygic?

seriously you are better off buying a second hand 5800 and using ovi maps with all maps u wish for near the same price as sygic with all the individual maps for n900

Well, there is something to be said about that argument about carrying around multiple devices. If you're paying only slightly less than a used 5800 to have Sygic, and you have the benefit of carrying around only that ONE device that's always around when you need it (be it in your own car, in a rental car that you didn't expect you'd need, or in an outing with friends and need impromptu directions, etc.).

you don't even know how much Sygic will cost...

What do you think it should cost? Just curious to see what people think is fair.

Or if its ever will be released to public...

A SYGIC CYNIC! :D

[russo_br]

For more information, please don't hesitate to contact me.

Katarina ;)

Katarina,

I've already contacted Sygic through email asking about Brazil maps availability, and they say it will be launched in the future since N900 was not officially launched so it is not a priority. Please confirm if you have any idea about this time gap between the official launch and the addition of Brazil maps.

Thanks in advance!

[zehjotkah]

What do you think it should cost? Just curious to see what people think is fair.


exactly the same as on the other platforms.

[danramos]

exactly the same as on the other platforms.

Which is...? (I have no idea) ...or are you implying they should all jsut be the same, despite whether they fall or rise in price?

[NokiaRocks]

Why the hell it's still now out now ? :(

[danramos]

Why the hell it's still now out now ? :(

Why the hell are you saying 'why the hell?' :) You sound impatient. You must REALLY like Sygic.

[Chapbass]

Can't wait for this to come out, should be good (although besides the ridiculously long load time, I dont mind ovi maps that much).

PS: Grats on 1000 posts Danramos!

[mlpmail]

Why the hell it's still now out now ? :(

I think that the hold up is Nokia getting their Ovi store to work properly. According to Sygic they have been asked by Nokia to release it thru the Ovi store. Sygic has submitted it to Nokia 1/14/10 and Nokia has not "approved" it yet. I think that they should bypass the Ovi store and sell direct.

[danramos]

Can't wait for this to come out, should be good (although besides the ridiculously long load time, I dont mind ovi maps that much).

PS: Grats on 1000 posts Danramos!

Wow! I didn't even realize I'd hit 1000! :) Thanks, Chapbass! WOO! Do I get anything for it?

http://pleco.org/heh/I%20WANT%20YOU.jpg

I think that they should bypass the Ovi store and sell direct.

That's what I've been saying!

[zehjotkah]

Which is...? (I have no idea) ...or are you implying they should all jsut be the same, despite whether they fall or rise in price?

Sygic should cost for maemo exactly the same as for android or winmob, symbian...

that is at the moment:

europe:
79.99 EUR

US, canada and mexico:
62.99 EUR

australia and new zealand:
59.99 EUR

and so on...

[polarnicka]

All the ONE US country... though I think she meant all the US states. Either way, the entire US. I guess she could have meant all the American countries?

Hello!

I am very sorry for confusing information, of course I meant all US states. :o

Katarina

[polarnicka]

Katarina,

I've already contacted Sygic through email asking about Brazil maps availability, and they say it will be launched in the future since N900 was not officially launched so it is not a priority. Please confirm if you have any idea about this time gap between the official launch and the addition of Brazil maps.

Thanks in advance!

Good morning!

We are currently awaiting approval from NOKIA OVI Store for Europe and US packages. Maps of other countries will be added soon, unfortunately I can't give you exact date (it's question of couple of weeks I believe). We are very pleased by your attention and I would like to ensure you, maps of Brazil will be also available for sure.

As soon as I have any closer information I will let you know directly.

Katarina

[zehjotkah]

Hey Katarina!

Any news on when it will be launched or on when you will send me my review copy? :D

edit:
sorry, didn't read your second post^^

edit:
Good morning!

We are currently awaiting approval from NOKIA OVI Store for Europe and US packages. (it's question of couple of weeks I believe)

use your own store...

[polarnicka]

Great news indeed, looking forward to the release :-)

I don't suppose you have a Maemo 4.1 (Diablo) version in the works too?

Hello :),

Officially it's supported Maemo 5 (and higher). Maemo 4.1 (Diablo) was not tested, yet. According to this fact I can’t tell you with 100% assurance that application will be working properly on your device.

Katarina.

[alex25]

Good morning!

We are currently awaiting approval from NOKIA OVI Store for Europe and US packages. Maps of other countries will be added soon, unfortunately I can't give you exact date (it's question of couple of weeks I believe). We are very pleased by your attention and I would like to ensure you, maps of Brazil will be also available for sure.

As soon as I have any closer information I will let you know directly.

Katarina
Hi Katarina
Do you know, is traffic information integrated on sygic for maemo devices?

[stantheboss]

Good morning!

We are currently awaiting approval from NOKIA OVI Store for Europe and US packages. Maps of other countries will be added soon, unfortunately I can't give you exact date (it's question of couple of weeks I believe). We are very pleased by your attention and I would like to ensure you, maps of Brazil will be also available for sure.

As soon as I have any closer information I will let you know directly.

Katarina

Katarina, we've been feeded here so many times with "soon, approx, we're waiting, nokia is polishing" kind of Marry Christmas BIG words:p

And no, I don't believe that Sygic is not informed by nokia when it's ready to appear on the OVI Store, it's you as the company should care the most, so please give as an ETA!

[bockersjv]

I am somewhat worried that this app will ever see the light of day in the OVI store. The Angry Birds paid for add on is still not there after they found fault with the payment mechanism, that was weeks ago. I have not seen any paid for apps since and suspect that this is what will hold up the launch of Sygic. Therefore I fear it could be months away unless Sygic offer it direct :(

[GID123]

Maybe Nokia and Sygic are working on a deal. We are supposed to
get free navigation by March.

[Elisa]

Maybe Nokia and Sygic are working on a deal. We are supposed to
get free navigation by March.

...I think it will never happens but it's in my hope!!:rolleyes:

[FormerPalmUser]

...I think it will never happens but it's in my hope!!:rolleyes:

I think it would be a good deal for ALL
- N900 users: getting a free navigation solution, until a (maybe) update to maemo6
- Nokia: satisfying all early adopters of the N900 unstead displease them
- Sygic: earning money for the development of the maemoversion unstead ceasing a new product in case of a free version of OVI maps for N900 users

Let's hope ...

[russo_br]

Remember that Sygic also sells maps for Symbian devices, and I am sure sales figures were affected by the announcement of Ovi Maps free navigation forever...

We don't know how this could have affected the business relationship between Nokia and Sygic, and even with other GPS apps companies which had versions for Symbian.

One curious fact about Sygic for Maemo is the they are using maps from Navit, which is owned by Nokia and also feeds Ovi Maps.

I think a possibility is that Nokia will position free Ovi Maps as an platform to get revenue with advertising and location-based applications, while Sygic will be dedicated to navigation in a more detailed way.

[mr_bridger]

At this rate N900 owners will end up with no voice guided navigation at all...

Sygic, and all/any other companies pull out of developing software for nokias, as their "chips have been wee'd on" by nokia giving away similar products for free...

and Nokia not bothering developing OVI MAPS on N900 as only a "beta" device, steping stone to Meamo6....

:(

[polarnicka]

Hi Katarina
Do you know, is traffic information integrated on sygic for maemo devices?

Hello!

Thank you for your question and interest. Unfortunately TMC won't be not included in current highly expected version, but it's planned to implement this great feature in close future.

Have a nice weekend ;)!

Katarina

[stlpaul]

Will sygic mobile maps for maemo speak the street names? In other words tells you "Turn left on Barack Obama Boulevard" instead of "Turn left in 300 yards"...

[polarnicka]

Katarina, we've been feeded here so many times with "soon, approx, we're waiting, nokia is polishing" kind of Marry Christmas BIG words:p

And no, I don't believe that Sygic is not informed by nokia when it's ready to appear on the OVI Store, it's you as the company should care the most, so please give as an ETA!

Hi!

I am very sorry for using uncertain words as "coming soon, close future, upcoming days" and so on, but I'm sure all of us knows how is technique unpredictable and sometimes certain things take longer time to prepare then it's planned. I would like to ensure you if I have exact date I would post it. Now it's in NOKIA hands only.
All we want is to bring the best application to the market ;)

Thank you for understanding!

Have a great weekend!

Katarina.

[legoman666]

How do you do this?

settings -> location. Change the setting.

[cardiff-blues]

I think that the hold up is Nokia getting their Ovi store to work properly. According to Sygic they have been asked by Nokia to release it thru the Ovi store. Sygic has submitted it to Nokia 1/14/10 and Nokia has not "approved" it yet. I think that they should bypass the Ovi store and sell direct.

I don't think that is entirely true as I have posted earlier mentioning important bugs that were being worked on after that supposed announcement.

[kolos]

Good free navigation would be one of the strongest gestures in a race for N900 buyers. N900 can win this race over HTC HD2, iPhone and Motorola Droid only if Nokia offers something more, and for a lot of people the key is navigation.

People are very interested in buying N900, but when they realize how crappy navigation we have and that there is no free office package (must have for emails!), they rather look for other phones.

N900 has great potential, but out of the box is without some (these days) crucial features like MMS, office package, turn-by-turn navigation, videocall... That's really, really bad promotion for "a killer" phone.

[skalogre]

This has devolved to another thread with new posters *****ing about the N900 not matching their expectations. Come on people, enough is enough. If some feature was not on the specifications and no one officially announced it will be available don't buy a device thinking it will subsequently magically appear.

Now, for the ones testing out the Sygic solution, how good is the search feature? Does it support OTA updates or even server-side content search for POI?

[kolos]

This has devolved to another thread with new posters *****ing about the N900 not matching their expectations. Come on people, enough is enough. If some feature was not on the specifications and no one officially announced it will be available don't buy a device thinking it will subsequently magically appear.

N900 is the best phone what Nokia have now. I bought it because I know that is superb phone and it's going to evolve. But common people don't want to wait if something is going to happen or not, they rather going to buy worse alternative with better package for daily use. Approach based on hope is definitely not the way how to make a business.
Nokia obviously doesn't follow expectations of buyers and again losing ground (deja vu N97).

Here is people's voice (http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/29/vote-for-the-2009-engadget-awards/).

[skalogre]

N900 is the best phone what Nokia have now. I bought it because I know that is superb phone and it's going to evolve. But common people don't want to wait if something is going to happen or not, they rather going to buy worse alternative with better package for daily use. Approach based on hope is definitely not the way how to make a business.
Nokia obviously doesn't follow expectation of buyers and again losing ground (deja vu N97).

Not to get in to the fray again but the N900 is NOT Nokia's best phone. The high-end S60 based devices are much better smartphones than the N900 and a cursory glance at the specifications and feature sets will show that quite clearly.

As for that Engadget post, well, funny that even though that site was crying that Symbian is dead, its marketshare INCREASED the last quarter. People's voice, eh? What US-based blogs report is not necessarily the reality of the situation.

In any event, I won't derail this thread by having this argument, it is pointless.

Back to my question: how good is the search feature? Does it support OTA updates or even server-side content search for POI?

[kolos]

The high-end S60 based devices are much better smartphones than the N900 and a cursory glance at the specifications and feature sets will show that quite clearly.

I don't share the same opinion about hardware specifications, but do about present features.


Back to my question: how good is the search feature? Does it support OTA updates or even server-side content search for POI?

Maybe you would find some answers on YouTube's reviews like this one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ay_NlawIkeY).

[skalogre]

I don't share the same opinion about hardware specifications, but do about present features.




Maybe you would find some answers on YouTube's reviews like this one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ay_NlawIkeY).

That is the iPhone version of Sygic. Does not help when trying to find out about the N900 version, which is why I asked this here as some here on the forum have been using the prerelease version.

[russo_br]

Now it's in NOKIA hands only.


Katarina, could you confirm the date Sygic submitted the GA version to Nokia?

As you said it is in their hands now, and there were rumors that Sygic had submitted the SW at 14th Jan but then found last minute bugs to correct.

[nightfire]

I tried to use Ovi Maps the other night while driving... little rough to say the least.

Come on Sygic & Nokia.... money's burning a hole in my pocket! :D

[phortize]

there are so much variable if one likes to predict when and how we'll get a better navigation...
ovi store payment problems, possible agreement with the telcos to solve this problem, need of promoting symbian, maemo 6 as milestone, launch of ovi maps 3, previous sygic agreement, navteq-teleatlas, sygic last minute bugs, nokia silence, hype factor...

i give up. i sit here on the river side and wait...

[vonbraun66]

Dear Ima,

I would like to introduce myself. My name is Katarina and I work s Technical Support at Sygic company.To your question: I have great news! Sygic will sell individual packages of groups of countries, but also package of whole Europe and package of all US countries.

So you don't need to buy two packages, but all in one.

For more information, please don't hesitate to contact me.

Katarina ;)

Hey,

I just noticed today that on the webshop of Sygic you can actually choose 'Europe' or 'US'. Up until yesterday you could only choose individual (groups of) countries, or US West or East.

This seems to confirm what Katarina said.

Still with the 'Coming soon'-label, so no purchasing yet unfortunately.

[russo_br]

At least third companies like Sygic are paying some attention to the customer request on this forum, since Nokia doesn't seem to be listening complains, from this forum and also discussions.nokia.com...

[alex-000]

Nokia says something about it? No words on Twitter or Facebook social forum????

[danramos]

Sygic should cost for maemo exactly the same as for android or winmob, symbian...

that is at the moment:

europe:
79.99 EUR

US, canada and mexico:
62.99 EUR

australia and new zealand:
59.99 EUR

and so on...

I don't know anything, mind you--I'm just doing a thought experiment... But what if something about the Ovi store is making it cost more? (ie: Nokia wants a big cut--so to still get their price, they have to increase the end-user cost to cover what Nokia is taking out?) Would it still seem fair to you?

I am somewhat worried that this app will ever see the light of day in the OVI store. The Angry Birds paid for add on is still not there after they found fault with the payment mechanism, that was weeks ago. I have not seen any paid for apps since and suspect that this is what will hold up the launch of Sygic. Therefore I fear it could be months away unless Sygic offer it direct :(

Oh get over yourself. You KNOW you wanted the Ovi store. Nokia says you do!

At least third companies like Sygic are paying some attention to the customer request on this forum, since Nokia doesn't seem to be listening complains, from this forum and also discussions.nokia.com...

Does that just make you want to buy MORE of their products and spread the word about their brand? I'm talking, of course, about Sygic.. not Nokia. I'm sure you understood.

[zehjotkah]

I don't know anything, mind you--I'm just doing a thought experiment... But what if something about the Ovi store is making it cost more? (ie: Nokia wants a big cut--so to still get their price, they have to increase the end-user cost to cover what Nokia is taking out?) Would it still seem fair to you?

1. Sygic will also be sold through the store from Sygic at http://www.sygic.com (http://www.sygic.com/index.php/en/how-to-buy.html)
2. Also Apple charge a cut... But there it costs also the same afaik..

[spag]

1. Sygic will also be sold through the store from Sygic at http://www.sygic.com (http://www.sygic.com/index.php/en/how-to-buy.html)

But as you can read on the download page Sygic for Maemo will turn your 'iPhone' into a navigation system, not your N900. Sorry guys. ;)

[Viipottaja]

Oh my god, does this mean there is an iPhone Next Gen inside my N900?!?!? Some evil Nokia takeover by Apple? On Halloween night my beautiful black N900 turns into a white slab, the qwerty falls off and the battery is magically soldered permanently into place?

[therock]

hah nice one Viipottaja

[cardiff-blues]

Latest update I have from a Sygic representative this afternoon is that they are frustrated by the delays as well but it seems like it is only a matter of days now before it is ready. 'Keep the Faith'

[russo_br]

Probably this was already discussed, but does anyone know if the technical problem related to paid apps is just on Ovi Store side??

If they need to update BOTH the Ovi Store and also N900 (Application Manager related daemons) in order to have a secure payment system, Nokia probably needs to release a minor firmware update before Sygic and others can have their products published.

[hopbeat]

@russo_br, a the moment the problem is unsolved and no info about how it's going to be done is released.

From my point of view, in-app system will be necessary, whatever Nokia does with Ovi Store, without secure platform, it will be always trivial to break.

[russo_br]

@hopbeat,

Agree, all mobiles and other devices had their system cracked to enable unauthorized copies... iPhone has jailbreak and most Symbian apps have cracked versions.

I won't lie telling that I've never installed something like that, but with time I know realize that this can only hurt our own devices future, which we invested a lot of bucks to get it. I sincerely hope that Nokia makes Maemo the most uncrackable mobile for paid apps, since that would attract many developers. Until now the only succesful case I am aware is Sony PS3, which is still unbreakable....

[hopbeat]

Until now the only succesful case I am aware is Sony PS3, which is still unbreakable....

Not anymore :) We have full access to the hardware from the OtherOS (geohot has revealed the exploit).

The problem is how easy it is to buy application vs. get the cracked one.

[edit] sorry for the off-topic

[ajamils]

Not anymore :) We have full access to the hardware from the OtherOS (geohot has revealed the exploit)

Just having access to hardware means nothing and unless there is a way to run unsigned code or modify firmware....its useless. With that said, we haven't even seen any "Hello World" yet which means that we still have a long way to go.

[nightfire]

@hopbeat,

Agree, all mobiles and other devices had their system cracked to enable unauthorized copies... iPhone has jailbreak and most Symbian apps have cracked versions.

I won't lie telling that I've never installed something like that, but with time I know realize that this can only hurt our own devices future, which we invested a lot of bucks to get it. I sincerely hope that Nokia makes Maemo the most uncrackable mobile for paid apps, since that would attract many developers. Until now the only succesful case I am aware is Sony PS3, which is still unbreakable....

Impossible.

To do that, they'd have to eliminate root access, or cryptographically sign the kernel for device-specific factory deployments (like RIM). That would render the device useless for its current target market. I guarantee that 90% of its current users would abandon the platform if Nokia did that, and I'm pretty sure they know it.

I wouldn't worry that much about DRM support. If the phone starts to gain popularity, people like me will start writing proprietary apps and selling them.

There's an opportunity for a fresh start here.

[cardiff-blues]

Sygic is Listening

In the latest release update of the software, Sygic have taken onboard users comments and have now enabled the option to close or minimise the screen from the top menu bar. Whilst this might not seem like a great feature to write about, it is more than useful when you are in the middle of a journey and want to quickly check some emails or do a little web browsing but keep your current route active. So yes, this is a nice touch and it shows that the developers at Sygic are listening to feedback from testers.

[lma]

To your question: I have great news! Sygic will sell individual packages of groups of countries, but also package of whole Europe and package of all US countries.

Hm, according to http://www.sygic.com/index.php/en/how-to-buy.html it seems that the Eastern Europe package (1980MB) contains maps not present in the whole Europe one (1810 MB) probably due to

Maps with transit roads only: Albania, Macedonia, Serbia, Belarus, Moldova, Montenegro, Bosnia - Herzegovina, Romania, Ukraine.

It there a technical size limitation for this?


Officially it's supported Maemo 5 (and higher). Maemo 4.1 (Diablo) was not tested, yet. According to this fact I can’t tell you with 100% assurance that application will be working properly on your device.


The same binary almost certainly won't work, but it should be portable relatively easily. Can you find out if there are any plans for this?

Thanks!

[alex-000]

Sygic is Listening

In the latest release update of the software, Sygic have taken onboard users comments and have now enabled the option to close or minimise the screen from the top menu bar. Whilst this might not seem like a great feature to write about, it is more than useful when you are in the middle of a journey and want to quickly check some emails or do a little web browsing but keep your current route active. So yes, this is a nice touch and it shows that the developers at Sygic are listening to feedback from testers.

Can I ask you when Sygic update the new release? I think if Sygic still modify its software Nokia will not release it in Ovi Store until it will be considered "stable" so we still have to wait

[nightfire]

Sygic is Listening

In the latest release update of the software, Sygic have taken onboard users comments and have now enabled the option to close or minimise the screen from the top menu bar. Whilst this might not seem like a great feature to write about, it is more than useful when you are in the middle of a journey and want to quickly check some emails or do a little web browsing but keep your current route active. So yes, this is a nice touch and it shows that the developers at Sygic are listening to feedback from testers.

Outstanding. :)

[cardiff-blues]

Can I ask you when Sygic update the new release? I think if Sygic still modify its software Nokia will not release it in Ovi Store until it will be considered "stable" so we still have to wait

I have been saying this all along. There have been a few little teething problems that have been worked on so I would assume that this has been the reason for the delay and not the rumour about the ovi store.

In my last contact with Sygic yesterday I was told that the release is days away.

[jcompagner]

in other threads i did see quotes like "in March we (Nokia) hope to have paid support in OVI"
so if that is true, then i don't think Sygic will be there before that..

[cardiff-blues]

in other threads i did see quotes like "in March we (Nokia) hope to have paid support in OVI"
so if that is true, then i don't think Sygic will be there before that..

Having Sygic available in OVI doesn't mean that it won't get released earlier. If the reports I have received are correct then I suspect that it will be released before being available in OVI. But then again, that's my best guess of what is going on, based upon the information I have received.

[Dave999]

Coming soon...What does that mean?

Come on, we need rules. can't use "coming soon" if the release is six month away...

[el3ctronick]

will it charge with data transfer or its a proper navigation system?:)
thanks!

[zehjotkah]

will it charge with data transfer or its a proper navigation system?:)
thanks!

Sygic is a offline navigaton system. The maps are stored on your device. So no data transfer.
Maybe in later versions there will be traffic informations. Then you will likely be in need of a data connection, or it will be over TMC.

[mele]

but it will propably still needs some data because of A-GPS, still cost should be quite low.

[jaark]

Now that Navicore has just been pulled from underneath my feet (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=44089), I am in need of a navigation system. Now.

I had intended to use Navicore until Sygic was available but that is no longer an option. If Sygic could let me be a beta tester or buy a pre-release version, they have a guaranteed customer here. Otherwise I will have to buy something else either today or tomorrow.

I hate sounding like a typical whiny ultimatum type post but I also hate the thought of having to go to the like of PCWorld and buying a TomTom :(

[zehjotkah]

but it will propably still needs some data because of A-GPS, still cost should be quite low.

you are able to deactivate agps. so if it costs too much for him, he can disable it.

[luca]

Now that Navicore has just been pulled from underneath my feet (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=44089), I am in need of a navigation system. Now.

I had intended to use Navicore until Sygic was available but that is no longer an option.


See here:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=294247#post294247

[les_garten]

Will sygic mobile maps for maemo speak the street names? In other words tells you "Turn left on Barack Obama Boulevard" instead of "Turn left in 300 yards"...

It costs $50 more for the Barack Obama Hope and Change Special Edition. It has special features that are priceless and WELL worth the additional $50. Foremost amongst these are that you can get to anywhere you want to go by turning Hard LEFT at every intersection!

[mele]

you are able to deactivate agps. so if it costs too much for him, he can disable it.

yes, but gps might never log on if you turn it off.

[vonbraun66]

It costs $50 more for the Barack Obama Hope and Change Special Edition. It has special features that are priceless and WELL worth the additional $50. Foremost amongst these are that you can get to anywhere you want to go by turning Hard LEFT at every intersection!
What is the relevance of your statement in regard to the subject of this thread and the nature of this forum ?

[Dave999]

the seriousness of this forum is long gone...but what the hell. you only have one life, why not waste it!

[les_garten]

It would be nice if there were a trail edition of this SW. Is there?

After the drivel called OVI maps for Maemo, I would really want to try before I buy. Or wait for Maemo mapper to catch up.

[les_garten]

What is the relevance of your statement in regard to the subject of this thread and the nature of this forum ?

You must have missed it.

I was explaining the "Barack Obama Hope and Change Special Edition"

Clear now?

[Rob1n]

It would be nice if there were a trail edition of this SW. Is there?

It was mentioned on another thread that there would be a trial edition, yes.

[bockersjv]

What is the relevance of your statement in regard to the subject of this thread and the nature of this forum ?
Lighten up man :rolleyes:

Back on topic, I still have doubts that this will appear before march... if ever :(

[les_garten]

It was mentioned on another thread that there would be a trial edition, yes.

Good deal! They might suck me in, then.

[el3ctronick]

you are able to deactivate agps. so if it costs too much for him, he can disable it.
thanks a lot for the answer :))
and it works as proper gps but quite slow?:)

[Laughing Man]

Correct el3ctronick.

[zehjotkah]

the lock will be slower than with assistance, but when you have a lock, everything is the same. the assistance "just" helps to get a faster lock.

[jaark]

<talk about Ovi Maps>
It will almost certainly be announced the day after I purchase Sygic.

Well, I've just had to buy a TomTom. Knowing my luck with such things, expect Sygic to be launched within a week.

[cardiff-blues]

<talk about Ovi Maps>


Well, I've just had to buy a TomTom. Knowing my luck with such things, expect Sygic to be launched within a week.

Which Tom Tom did you get?

[phortize]

sorry if its already been said but i cant find it: do we know yet if the maps will be always updated like nokia promised for ovi 3.0 (true? ive heard so) or we will have to buy an update every year or so like garmin devices? please im not saying that paying for the update would be unfair, dont beat me.

btw garmin let you buy the lifelong update option and its quite cheap, but my garmin device is quite old, and if it dies im ****ed with the update. so im just waiting for sygic to come out for decide what to do, it would be nice to have all in one device, too.

[jaark]

Which Tom Tom did you get?

An 'XL Live' or something like that - has OTA camera and traffic updates etc and a nice big screen, the sort of thing I got used to with Wayfinder. It's got it's own cellular modem so there's no faffing about with bluetooth etc.

It's not their cheapest one but I expect the thing to last me a good while.

[BadMojoUT]

cardiff-blues,

My apologies if you've already answered this but is there a zoomed-in turn preview when you get close? In other words, something similar to what Garmin does (and probably TomTom as well but I've never really used them). The preview video that Sygic has doesn't seem to indicate one way or the other.

[NokiaRocks]

Still no release date ?

[bockersjv]

Still no release date ?

And I doubt that there ever will be :( This app was supposedly ready weeks ago and yet it is still not available to buy. Amazing and a shame for Sygic as developer need t be encouraged for the N900 and they produce a product only to be thwarted by the release process :(

[azz]

maybe it's not sygic...maybe it's nokia....they claimed (on twitter) to have submitted the app to nokia already....

[bockersjv]

Well the lastes update includes a fix for paid for apps so who knows we may see Sygic sat nav soon :D

[d-iivil]

Sorry to say, but Sygic folks; I had to buy a separate navigator unit. I couldn't wait any longer for the release that was promised to be weeks ago.

So one lost customer here _o/

[russo_br]

Sorry to say, but Sygic folks; I had to buy a separate navigator unit. I couldn't wait any longer for the release that was promised to be weeks ago.

So one lost customer here _o/

Sygic already said the delays are Nokia fault, and I don't doubt since until know Ovi Store is Beta and there is no paid application being launched... Also another app developers couldnt wait and set their own repositories...

[russo_br]

Sygic representatives, a very important question:

Is Sygic navigation SW based on Qt framework??

With the announcement about Meego I can't avoid to think that it wouldn't be worthy to buy a GPS app which would not run on Meego. Even if Nokia decides not to support an upgrade for N900 probably the community will build a Meego port, that's why I am asking...

[jcompagner]

Its not that MeeGo only will support QT apps.. GTK apps will run just fine.

[taril]

today phone chat with sygic customer center:

nokia forbide sygic in december not to release the navigation software for n900

[jakiman]

Is Sygic navigation SW based on Qt framework??


It doesn't need to be. Meego supports GTK and Qt. Same as Maemo 5.

[dread123]

today phone chat with sygic customer center:

nokia forbide sygic in december not to release the navigation software for n900

i call BS on the above!! you cannot forbid someone to release software at all! its open source!

Also they have confirmed that program has been released to nokia for retail

[Laughing Man]

i call BS on the above!! you can forbid someone to release software at all! its open source!

Also they have confirmed that program has been released to nokia for retail

Well you couldn't forbid them, but Nokia could make it harder for the developers to get paid since they wouldn't be going through the secured Ovi Store market.

But then again Ovi Store was found not to be that secure to begin with (you could download anything in the Ovi repo with an apt-get command) so that is likely holding back the apps we're waiting on (Sygic, those games we've seen in the Youtube video, etc..).

[Crom]

I'm going to buy myself a Tomtom gps if it's not released by the end of next week..
This is taking too long.
What was the first realese date again? End of December?

[flydeep]

If the platform is open source, why does any developer need to get through Ovi store? Nokia aint doing a good job with customer satisfaction in countless ways. Can't developers just bypass Nokia all together?

[dread123]

they dont have to go through OVI...thats the whole point. just setup their repo's and away they go.

[flydeep]

yeah, it sounds stupid for Sygic to lose so many customers who are eagerly waiting for the software while waiting for Nokia's nod. Probably they are just waiting to get the brownie points from Nokia but at what cost!?

they dont have to go through OVI...thats the whole point. just setup their repo's and away they go.

[Rob1n]

today phone chat with sygic customer center:

nokia forbide sygic in december not to release the navigation software for n900

Can you clear up the negatives here - did they forbid them from releasing it, or demand that they release it?

[d-iivil]

Sygic already said the delays are Nokia fault, and I don't doubt since until know Ovi Store is Beta and there is no paid application being launched... Also another app developers couldnt wait and set their own repositories...

I don't really care who's fault it is or not as a customer.

Sygic has their own webshop, why not sell the product there if it's finished.

[russo_br]

I don't really care who's fault it is or not as a customer.

Sygic has their own webshop, why not sell the product there if it's finished.

I agree with you, but my guess is that Sygic has some commitment with Nokia. I learned that their product uses Naviteq maps, which is owned by Nokia...

Anyway, it is obvious that they are loosing customers like you due to the delay. And Nokia is getting its image affected as well. Bad business for both companies...

[russo_br]

Its not that MeeGo only will support QT apps.. GTK apps will run just fine.

Thanks, that was a noob question now you told me that... but anyway I am still curious about it.

If all the Meego strategy was really being worked for some time between Nokia and Intel (instead an overnight decision which changed all the roadmap), I guess Nokia should have told their most important partners like Sygic under NDA, at least would be the ethical thing to do to preserve Sygic and other developers investment.

Even Meego supporting GTK it would be harder (read expensive) for Sygic to support both Maemo 5 and Meego source codes, while they could have done it with Qt in order to reduce their efforts.

[casper27]

Got this E-Mail off Sygic today looks promising.


Sygic
Introducing the new generation of GPS navigation

Dear Craig

Sygic will introduce new generation of GPS navigation
products at CeBIT in Hannover, Germany.
Be one of the first to find out what we've been working
on. You are invited to our stand D09 in Hall 7.

Do not hesitate to contact us for complimentary tickets.

2. - 6. March 2010
Hall 7, Stand D09

Best regards,
Sygic Team

[NokiaRocks]

So the Sygic navigitaion will never be released ...? ^^

[Dave999]

So the Sygic navigitaion will never be released ...? ^^

No, it looks like that.

Coming soon for months now. Buy a Garmin:D

[casper27]

So the Sygic navigitaion will never be released ...? ^^

Sorry forgot about this thread. Got this (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=44892) email today. Maybe Mods could merge. Cheers.

[Dave999]

Sorry forgot about this thread. Got this (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=44892) email today. Maybe Mods could merge. Cheers.

Ok, could be good news, but i dont see how this is the n900 navigation release:confused:. Can be somthing else.

[casper27]

Ok, could be good news, but i dont see how this is the n900 navigation release:confused:. Can be somthing else.
I have e-mailed them back for N900 confirmation but I have only ever had correspondance with them about the N900 in the past. It figures that this would follow suit. Will post back when I get reply.

[mooninite]

Even Meego supporting GTK it would be harder (read expensive) for Sygic to support both Maemo 5 and Meego source codes, while they could have done it with Qt in order to reduce their efforts.

Please stop spreading FUD. GTK and Qt will be equally supported under MeeGo. Sygic will not "lose money" by using GTK.

[russo_br]

Please stop spreading FUD. GTK and Qt will be equally supported under MeeGo. Sygic will not "lose money" by using GTK.

So please explain with arguments why you think I am spreading FUD, otherwise you're just acting like a fanboy... and probably one who never wrote any sw at all...

As I said applications wrote with GTK will need more work to port it to Meego than QT applications (GTK apps in general, not just Sygic), isn't that true???

Nokia is advising developers to choose QT for some time now. If GTK is equally supported like you said, what is the point of that?? Supported is different from seamlessly portability...

[mikkov]

Nokia is advising developers to choose QT for some time now. If GTK is equally supported like you said, what is the point of that?? Supported is different from seamlessly portability...

What is your point here? Originally it was announced even before Maemo5 launch that Maemo6 (now MeeGo) will be moving to QT, everybody has known that. Now with MeeGo there will be GTK support too.

Sygic doesn't look like GTK application and my guess is that they are using their own graphics toolkit (maybe OpenGL based?), because the applicaiton looks the same as in iPhone for example.

[russo_br]

What is your point here? Originally it was announced even before Maemo5 launch that Maemo6 (now MeeGo) will be moving to QT, everybody has known that. Now with MeeGo there will be GTK support too.

Sygic doesn't look like GTK application and my guess is that they are using their own graphics toolkit (maybe OpenGL based?), because the applicaiton looks the same as in iPhone for example.

My original question was if Sygic is using Qt or not, and it is still unanswered. My point is that, as a potential byuer, I would like to know if the GPS app I acquire could run on other Meego devices when I sell my N900. This was the speech from Nokia, that Qt will bring the benefit of carrying your apps between mobiles.

It was just a doubt, but an important one if you are thinking on spending 80+ euros on a GPS app, not to mention that we already paid 600 euros for N900 and Nokia is offering free navigation for much cheapier devices...

[Viipottaja]

i think nokia was talking about developers

[mooninite]

This is my last reply to you, russo_br. If you wish to have a decent conversation with me, just let me know.

So please explain with arguments why you think I am spreading FUD, otherwise you're just acting like a fanboy... and probably one who never wrote any sw at all...

I sure hope I've written software. I do it for a living. Oh, and I've made a few Maemo apps.

As I said applications wrote with GTK will need more work to port it to Meego than QT applications (GTK apps in general, not just Sygic), isn't that true???

And how do you base your opinion? Have you made a Maemo app? The only thing that will need "porting" is moving away from Hildon, which isn't earth shattering or cause to think porting will take 30 developers months to do.

Nokia is advising developers to choose QT for some time now. If GTK is equally supported like you said, what is the point of that?? Supported is different from seamlessly portability...

Nokia purchased Trolltech, creators of Qt. Nokia wants to push Qt across to Symbian as well. Their advice is nothing more than marketing. If you are not interested in supporting Symbian devices then you don't have to use Qt.

[taril]

I asked again about it states:

Sygic is testing its navigation software on N900 and other Nokia phones (new symbian maybe). So, you dont have to wait too much, maybe it will be released in the late summer (august).

[bockersjv]

Late summer, are they kidding is was supposedly ready pre Christmas? The lack of any concrete info unfortunaltely still leads me to the conclusion that this app will never see the light of day :(

I had hoped that with the Ovi Paid apps fix in the last PR that it would allow Sygic to release. Maybe they are waiting for the bigger firmware update?

[Frappacino]

august? in time for meego ? lol

[NokiaRocks]

August. LoL
I've been waiting since December and really need Turn by Turn navigation now :/
Now I gotta buy a N97 or something like that to use Ovi Maps :(

[bozskydave]

Still not in Ovi Store. May be they added in new FW 1.2 on the end of February...

[Laughing Man]

Late summer, are they kidding is was supposedly ready pre Christmas? The lack of any concrete info unfortunaltely still leads me to the conclusion that this app will never see the light of day :(

I had hoped that with the Ovi Paid apps fix in the last PR that it would allow Sygic to release. Maybe they are waiting for the bigger firmware update?

They had fixed the Ovi store problem in the last update? And they probably are waiting for 1.2 if their app uses QT 4.6.

[russo_br]

They had fixed the Ovi store problem in the last update? And they probably are waiting for 1.2 if their app uses QT 4.6.

That's another reason why it should be worthy to know it Sygic uses QT or not. But if they do all the speech about launching the product last years was just lies...

[Hardknox]

It's terrible what you write. However I'll be forced to sell my n900. I have had enough deception from 3 months promises from Sygic navigation. Regret that I got rid of the iPhone because that phone have a choice of software, and here I only have promises. Surely the next phone will be the Google Nexus One rather has to Navigon. Maemo is only Linux, but poor development forgotten from Nokia

[mtjioe]

Hi Hardknox,

the problem is with Nokia and the Ovistore still not accepting commercial content and not with Sygic.
I think that Sygic should seriously consider publish their program themselves..

[jjenkins334]

I've been keeping up with this thread, but it's been dragging on for a while now, and I can't remember what's been posted.

Is there a possibility that Nokia wants to buy Sygic,and use their software as the new Ovi Maps for Maemo/Meego?

[sjgadsby]

Sorry forgot about this thread. Maybe Mods could merge. Cheers.

The thread "Sygic navigation to be unvailed" with one post has been merged into this thread.

[KLB]

Still not in Ovi Store. May be they added in new FW 1.2 on the end of February...

All of this talk about Ovi makes no sense to me....Sygic allows you to purchase and download their app directly from their site for other phones...why would they let Ovi delays hold them from releasing for the n900, month after month??

[Viipottaja]

That would _only_ make sense if they have some pre-agreement with Nokia to only offer it through the Ovi Store...

[KLB]

Agree...but that seems odd, since I was able to walk all the way thru the checkout for the n97 (symbian) version. About the only conjecture I've seen that does make much sense is about some possible purchase....they of course wouldn't be able to mention it ahead of time to anyone. Otherwise, they'd have to have the worst public relations department in the world to let this go on like it has. <g>

[nilsbenson]

This was posted waaay back in the beginning of one these threads.

Nokia wants Sygic to be one of their release partners for the "new-and-improved" Ovi store. We haven't seen the new store yet, so of course we haven't seen Sygic yet.

Everyone should just relax. Nokia and Sygic most likely have some kind of agreement (and I would guess Nokia has or will pay Sygic some amount of money to wait until the new store is open to the public) and they simply can't release the app without breaking the agreement.

Some of you act as though you're going to literally die because you don't have turn-by-turn directions. How did you ever get by before GPS?

[stantheboss]

This was posted waaay back in the beginning of one these threads.

...How did you ever get by before GPS?

It's like when you buy a car and discover that it has no engine inside. Someone than asks you the same stupid question. How did you get by before...on foot like Flintstones??!!

C'mon people, stop this ********, we all paid for it, I bet it's not just me who lunched ovi maps just after unboxing the N900 & said "What on earth is this crap?"

Why would Nokia put a GPS module in a first place, I just don't get it!!!!

[nightfire]

If Sygic releases something buggy that has no carry-forward value for the n900, you'll complain about that, too.

It's one way or the other, man. Either they take the time to get it right (including the Ovi app store, apparently) - and have people complaining about it - or they release it before it's ready .... and have people complaining about it.

I want to hand over my hard-earned money for this product as much as you do, but what can possibly be gained with such hyperbole as "no engine inside?"

Besides.. it's more like buying a car and discovering that no one makes aftermarket mags for its bolt pattern. :)

[stantheboss]

It's already been polished and it's ready for us to get it. Frankly it was ready at the end of January, those are the words of Sygic people themselves.

And again, it's the Nokia side who holds the magic wand right now, it's up to them when the product sees a day light, that's why people are so pissed, 'cause we know how Nokia share information on further releases.

[Dave999]

It's already been polished and it's ready for us to get it. Frankly it was ready at the end of January, those are the words of Sygic people themselves.

And again, it's the Nokia side who holds the magic wand right now, it's up to them when the product sees a day light, that's why people are so pissed, 'cause we know how Nokia share information on further releases.

So you saying nokia ****a Pucka is sitting on it?:mad::eek:

[stantheboss]

So you saying nokia ****a Pucka is sitting on it?:mad::eek:

Yeah, probably they've signed some kind of agreement and Sygic cannot publish navi anywhere else but at ovi store.

[sophocha]

I need my navigation software nooooooow!....any navigation will do!...I got lost the other day and it pisses me off that my old 5800 is starting to look better than my N900, especially with the kinetic scrolling firmware and full sygic support

[rmarcus]

I have to use my wife's awesome n95 to go anywhere I am not familiar with...can you believe it?

:(

[Dave999]

I have to use my wife's awesome n95 to go anywhere I am not familiar with...can you believe it?

:(

yes. I can. u are using nokias high-end product. could we expect it to work? No:mad:

[jorjino]

I suppose that there is not only agreement between Nokia and Sygic, but also maybe Sygic GPS sw is based on Qt4.6, which most probably we will get with next firmware update.
So I think that we will see Sygic GPS software very soon.
Regards.

[russo_br]

I suppose that there is not only agreement between Nokia and Sygic, but also maybe Sygic GPS sw is based on Qt4.6, which most probably we will get with next firmware update.
So I think that we will see Sygic GPS software very soon.
Regards.

I've asked the same question if Sygic was based on Qt 4.6 in this same thread, no answer yet... If it is indeed based on Qt 4.6 all the propaganda about the software being ready a long time ago, just waiting for Ovi Store, was just BS.

[venusrising]

still not available

[mtran66]

C'mon people, stop this ********, we all paid for it, I bet it's not just me who lunched ovi maps just after unboxing the N900 & said "What on earth is this crap?"


you're not the only one. I expected to at least have something usable.

I still keep my n95 in my car with garmin xt installed. using google maps and/or ovi maps for any kind of navigation is absolutely terrible while behind the wheel (I pull over for like 5 mins to fight with my phone and data connection).

[Dave999]

sygic's software should be included in pr 1.2 after all this waitng. but i don't think nokia share my view on this :)

[azz]

you're not the only one. I expected to at least have something usable.

I still keep my n95 in my car with garmin xt installed. using google maps and/or ovi maps for any kind of navigation is absolutely terrible while behind the wheel (I pull over for like 5 mins to fight with my phone and data connection).

same here...I almost threw my n900 out the window on the hiway when trying to navigate...I learned my lesson...I use my n82 whenever I need navigation....still hoping sygic will come out eventually so I can put my n82 to rest after years of abuse....:cool:

[stantheboss]

I suppose that there is not only agreement between Nokia and Sygic, but also maybe Sygic GPS sw is based on Qt4.6, which most probably we will get with next firmware update.
So I think that we will see Sygic GPS software very soon.
Regards.

If it's true, then why would they assure us that the software was ready by the end of 2009. I honestly don't believe in their stupidity not to know that N900 has not been even ready for QT4.6 and by the time they said those words no one ever knew it will be released along with PR1.2...hah?

Hell, I'm so pissed right now & I guess I'm done waiting, if PR1.2 will bring nothing but the bugs freakin' fixes again, I'm gonna sell this brick just for the sake of staying mentally stable:eek:

And yes, I'm fully aware that I won't find a device on the market that has all the pros of N900, but I won't stick to it either when there's still so much to be done...

[bockersjv]

I feel your pain Stan :D

I rarely use sat nav but it is precisely for that reason that it is so convenient to have it on my phone. The N900 was proving, at last, to be a device that was to replace my media players. SAT NAV and Garmin cycle mapping computer.

With the media player and sound quality of the N900 suprising me (although the interface could do with a tidy) and eCoach taking on my mapping, it is only the sat nav that is missing.

Hawking atound my N95 and its garmin just for that is just not practical.

This has therefore led to the nightmare scenario of having to wind my window down and ask for directions. As a man that is a very painful exercise :D

I love my N900 but the potential of the device is even more exciting, I just wish I had confidence that its potential will be realised one day.

[Dave999]

so ovi store is up and running(with some kind of payment solution), now we only waiting for Qt 4.6 before release?

[stantheboss]

My thoughts are that Sygic is not based on QT4.6 unless they have rewritten the whole app which was tested and ready for N900 QT4.5 at the beginning of 2010.

[Dave999]

My thoughts are that Sygic is not based on QT4.6 unless they have rewritten the whole app which was tested and ready for N900 QT4.5 at the beginning of 2010.

ok, so we are waiting for nothing. well, that is just great:mad:

[Hossie]

http://twitter.com/SygicOfficial/status/9584910008

Here they said it is under "approval" - meaning waiting for the Ovi-Paid-Store apps? Maybe the app is ready now?

[Dave999]

what is coming first.

http://www.softsailor.com/news/18587-ovi-maps-free-navigation-on-nokia-n900.html

[shadowjk]

QT4.5 -> QT4.6 is not a total rewrite.

[spanner]

what is coming first.

http://www.softsailor.com/news/18587-ovi-maps-free-navigation-on-nokia-n900.html

As far as I can tell, this article is just a lazy cut 'n' paste of the electricpig article from January where they confuse the Maemo platform with N900. More hearsay and Chineese whispers.

Sorry, I'd love to believe it but I just don't think it's happening.

[joesphle]

very interesting topid ..keep up to date !

[AVee]

http://twitter.com/SygicOfficial/status/9584910008

Here they said it is under "approval" - meaning waiting for the Ovi-Paid-Store apps? Maybe the app is ready now?

I don't really get that, Sygic seems to have all the infrastructure required to sell their software in place, the N900 isn't in any way like an iPhone where you are required to use the vendors app store. I can see how they want it to be in the Ovi store, but that doesn't exclude selling it on your own website does it? If it's really ready, I can't see what they are waiting for, it need like they need Nokia's approval.

[Hossie]

I don't really get that, Sygic seems to have all the infrastructure required to sell their software in place, the N900 isn't in any way like an iPhone where you are required to use the vendors app store. I can see how they want it to be in the Ovi store, but that doesn't exclude selling it on your own website does it? If it's really ready, I can't see what they are waiting for, it need like they need Nokia's approval.

see: http://twitter.com/SygicOfficial/status/9345547200

[NokiaRocks]

3 months later and still not out ....
ridiculous....

[Ronaldo]

Well to be honest the only reason we are all waiting for this is because nokia maps is not turn by turn navigation.
i have used both on n9t and n97 and i have to sygic is good but not better then maps v3.1(which ever is lastest one) on n97.

Personally im going to wait for free nokia maps turn by turn then waste my money on some thats wasting my time by say coming soon for months...

[Dave999]

Well to be honest the only reason we are all waiting for this is because nokia maps is not turn by turn navigation.
i have used both on n9t and n97 and i have to sygic is good but not better then maps v3.1(which ever is lastest one) on n97.

Personally im going to wait for free nokia maps turn by turn then waste my money on some thats wasting my time by say coming soon for months...

But there is no info about maps 3.x for maemo.

[Ronaldo]

i know n900 will get maps soon if not via next up date then it will be a standalone app upgrade i say month or so.

[Dave999]

i know n900 will get maps soon if not via next up date then it will be a standalone app upgrade i say month or so.

And how do you know that?:confused:

source?

[Ronaldo]

And how do you know that?:confused:

source?

listen dont be silly.

do you think nokia will not make turn by turn for n900?

[Frappacino]

listen dont be silly.

do you think nokia will not make turn by turn for n900?

lol

like nokia wont give n900 meego?

[Dave999]

listen dont be silly.

do you think nokia will not make turn by turn for n900?

maybe, maybe not. Im not sure and it could take a year, and im not even sure it will be available for n900. I believe it when they announce it.

not because u say so. sorry;)

[nicola.mfb]

lol

like nokia wont give n900 meego?

Yes! it's a mobile computer not a phone :)
On every computer I had, I was able to upgrade the OS for years!

Uh! it maybe a phone, in this case you cannot exepct a lot, on most of my past phones I was not able to upgrade/change the firmware, but in that case it's a poor phone.

Mumble.... it may be that it is not a mobile computer ad not a phone? or the answer changes every time you point at its defects!

Just joking a bit :) (really I Love this device!)

regards

Niko

[inidrog]

Hi I have waited and waited ... coming soon.

1. Did anyone betatest this?

2. Same GPS hardware problems/a-gps-requirements as N900 with OVI Maps?

3. If no one can say they did test Sygic Mobile Maps for N900 before it eventually is available , are the potential buyers taking huge risks for top dollars? Pay top dollars to become beta tester?

4. I have a feeling the cost wil be about what you can see the charge for the Android versions. What do you think?

[jer006]

Yes! it's a mobile computer not a phone :)
On every computer I had, I was able to upgrade the OS for years!

Uh! it maybe a phone, in this case you cannot exepct a lot, on most of my past phones I was not able to upgrade/change the firmware, but in that case it's a poor phone.

Mumble.... it may be that it is not a mobile computer ad not a phone? or the answer changes every time you point at its defects!

Just joking a bit :) (really I Love this device!)

regards

Niko

OS is not a good comparison here - all PC's CPU (intel compatible anyway) have very similar instruction sets to make this easier - most newer chips are backward compatible also, this is not so for mobile chips I believe... Plus Nokia do not seem to separate the OS from the Hardware layers (device drivers), if they did this then it would probably make things easier across all devices (1 version of Symbian across all phones and then smaller device driver upgrades which are device dependent)

I certainly hope so Niko but if you look back at the 770 Internet tablet, when they made the n800 and n810 tablets they upgraded the hardware so the new OS (OS2007 and above) was not compatible with the 770 from a hardware/device driver standpoint. Nokia never ported OS2007 to the 770, it was a community driver effort which resulted in the OS2007 Hacker edition - a combination of OS2007 with the hardware layers from OS2006 I believe. This was awesome support from the community but there is no guarantee that the OS will be upgradable on the n900 either due to hardware limitations.

I also love my n900 and hope that the software continues to be upgradable with the latest OS versions.

At this point we bought the devices, we knew what we were buying and now Nokia do not have to do anything except our manufacturers warrany. The fact that they are doing as much as they are so far is great! However they have a lot to learn yet from Android and iPhone software upgrades and their app stores (on the n900 I have no idea how apps I bought from the app store will be upgraded for instance!)

I am looking forward to the Sygic maps application though as I badly want turn by turn but its getting a little annoying that we are almost in March and its still "Coming soon". The original date I got from Sygic was Jan 18th and that came and went... I understand the problem is now the OVI store which is very frustrating as they cannot sell paid content there!

I dont get the big deal, why dont they just release a trial version which has you log onto the web and buy a key for it, each phones IMEI is unique and you could easily tie the license to the IMEI allowing people to buy your product instead of the continual wait...

Come on Nokia please sort out the OVI store soon, either that or Sygic please come up with another way to purchase the app i.e. Dataviz and how they sold the docs to go - I got that soon after release for 1/2 price from their site and they simply supplied a license key to register the product!!!!

[Gazwkdoon]

Well I tried to hold out for this... unfortunately I needed a sat-nav and could wait no longer.
Sorry Sygic/Nokia you lost a customer/sale.

:(

[Hossie]

This could be announced at the cebit, at least sygic is there...

http://twitter.com/SygicOfficial/status/9817678407

[NokiaRocks]

Maybe..... lol
I already stopped hoping.

[sophocha]

listen dont be silly.

do you think nokia will not make turn by turn for n900?

If they don`t, well, then it will be their demise!....big mistake if they don`t do it fast enough though....

[alex-000]

We are waiting for the "older" Sygic take a look here

http://www.sygic.com/aura/

It's impossibile!!!!!! 3 mounts and we havent'g got a turn-by-turn nav!!!!!!!! :mad:

[Trancedancer]

I was in touch with Sygic, and they haven't even replied to my question, why it takes such time, and when we can expect it to be released. Really bad, Sygic! :-(

[NokiaRocks]

That Sygic Aura looks sick.
Time to get a Iphone :P

[LordJuanlo]

Aura will be for Android, Symbian, iPhone, Windows and Linux, I hope this one includes Maemo too, this app looks far better than the "old" we haven't got yet

[alex-000]

I already stopped hoping, 04/01/2010 I will sell my N900 and i will buy an Iphone! I love linux but I am seriously disappointed

[Hossie]

As previously mentioned, I still assume that the troubles with the ovi store keeps them from publishing it.

[Hossie]

I already stopped hoping, 04/01/2010 I will sell my N900 and i will buy an Iphone! I love linux but I am seriously disappointed

Sorry, but apples policy on apps is even one bit better?

[alex-000]

Sorry, but apples policy on apps is even one bit better?

3 mounths, i've got a frontal camera but no software, i've got a gps but no turn by turn software. 3 mounths and Ovi Store has 20 applications? 30?

[Hossie]

Why is it so important that they are in the ovi store? Look at the apps in Extras, Testing and Devel. Also why is turn-by-turn so important? It's still a cell phone, not a car navigation kit. And when you look at apples restriction, like randomly removing apps, rejecting them (even google!) - how would this be ANY better? This is my number one reason not to buy an iphone.

[inidrog]

My only hope now is that the N900 eventually will be worth some mony as a collectors item in a few decades

[alex-000]

Why is it so important that they are in the ovi store? Look at the apps in Extras, Testing and Devel. Also why is turn-by-turn so important? It's still a cell phone, not a car navigation kit. And when you look at apples restriction, like randomly removing apps, rejecting them (even google!) - how would this be ANY better? This is my number one reason not to buy an iphone.

I love Linux and I appreciate all the Developers work done . Ok great work done in Maemo Repo. I am angry with Nokia and its management policies.

[Hossie]

I love Linux and I appreciate all the Developers work done . Ok great work done in Maemo Repo. I am angry with Nokia and its management policies.

So your reaction is to switch from bad to worse? Nice.

[Hardknox]

The new Nexus One shining on my desk... the old iPhone play music on my dock, and my N900 was my last phone from Nokia. I remember that time when I say all of my friends: iPhone have everything but need a Jailbreak. There is nothing after so many months of waiting. I hope that this good useless phone ever fall in love with someone else. I can see online auctions as people quickly sell these phones for half its value, and I am afraid that before you get Sygic a few months, also sold their copies

[alex-000]

So your reaction is to switch from bad to worse? Nice.

150.000 applications, Cydia...i'm thinking about......I repeat I hate the behavior of Nokia

[jcompagner]

the biggest question for this thread is for me.. how come that there are so many users complaining about turn by turn, yes i also would like to have it, but i guess 95% of those users want to use it in their car right? Maybe 5% will use it when walking? Or do i see that wrong?

I ask this because of 95% uses it for car navigation. Why is it that there are so little request for a thing that you also have to use in your car? And thats voice dialing?? Very very weird..

If i have to choose: now voice dialing or voice navigation. I would choose for voice dialing. Why because that is what i would use daily, now i have to do all kind of dangerous stuff like searching for a contact and dial it with the phone in my hands going something between 120 and 160km/h.
Not to say that if i get caught doing that i will get a fine for about 170 euro....

[Hossie]

Yeah, half of that are like 3minute games.

€: Oh no, someone posted in between. :(
€: Ok, maybe back to the topic.

[russo_br]

As previously mentioned, I still assume that the troubles with the ovi store keeps them from publishing it.

You are right, it is a issue with paid content on Ovi Store. But it is ridiculous that a company like Nokia is taking months to fix something that should be ready from N900 launch, after all an application store is a source of incoming for both Nokia and developers like Sygic... They are all loosing money!!! In most company heads would be rolling due to this huge delay... be it Ovi or Maemo teams (or even both) fault!!

Customers just don't care what are the difficulties of getting the Ovi Store for Maemo ready for paid content, but Nokia should at least give some explanations why it is taking too long to solve a major problem like that... and compromise with a date to fix it!!

[Hossie]

You think giving out a date would make it better? What happens if it is not finished at that date? Look at all software (including maemo) - the minority is giving out fixed dates.

[TheLongshot]

You are right, it is a issue with paid content on Ovi Store. But it is ridiculous that a company like Nokia is taking months to fix something that should be ready from N900 launch, after all an application store is a source of incoming for both Nokia and developers like Sygic... They are all loosing money!!! In most company heads would be rolling due to this huge delay... be it Ovi or Maemo teams (or even both) fault!!

Customers just don't care what are the difficulties of getting the Ovi Store for Maemo ready for paid content, but Nokia should at least give some explanations why it is taking too long to solve a major problem like that... and compromise with a date to fix it!!

Just as a note, the Android store didn't have paid apps until about 5 months after the G1 was released.

[russo_br]

You think giving out a date would make it better? What happens if it is not finished at that date? Look at all software (including maemo) - the minority is giving out fixed dates.

Sure I agree it is easier not to set a date, but Nokia is a corporation and I bet there are Project Managers controlling the Maemo program and its sub-projects. All employees surely have a fixed date for delivering their job... Yes, just a minority compromise with fixed dates, but why couldn't Nokia do that? They are compromising on releasing a Meego device by the 2H2010, aren't they? I also remember they gave a date to release Ovi Maps for N97... Regarding N900 the only date I heard a estimated date was the launch date.

[shadowjk]

Just as a note, the Android store didn't have paid apps until about 5 months after the G1 was released.

It still doesn't for many users. It depends on who made the phone with android, and where you live. I guess it's not an easy thing to do when google hasn't been able to do it yet..

[les_garten]

Just as a note, the Android store didn't have paid apps until about 5 months after the G1 was released.



Not the same thing though is it? Maemo/N900 was just EOL'd 2.5 months after it was released.

[Bratag]

Not the same thing though is it? Maemo/N900 was just EOL'd 2.5 months after it was released.

Enough with the FUD. There has been no statement of that nature - nor even anything remotely hinting that the N900 is EOL. We seriously do not need this kind of thing - the forums have enough FUD already.

[JohnLF]

Well I have just been browsing the Nokia site and re-read the press release for Qt4.6.2 gold release for Maemo5. One thing mentioned is that new APIs available alongside this version include navigation APIs (http://qt.nokia.com/about/news/nokia-releases-qt-4.6.2).

I also saw that Qt4.6 was targeted at the PR1.2 release of Maemo5 (http://qt.nokia.com/products/platform/maemo)

Now this bit is conjecture, but if you have the PR1.2 release out, with Qt4.6 built-in and navigation APIs, then I think it is more likely Nokia will bring updated OviMaps to the N900.

This for me is only good news, and I am looking forward to the PR1.2 release. I am not expecting Maps3 to be included with it, but I am very much hoping that it will be ported soon.

[les_garten]

Enough with the FUD. There has been no statement of that nature - nor even anything remotely hinting that the N900 is EOL. We seriously do not need this kind of thing - the forums have enough FUD already.

Ahhh Excuse me, but ain't you been paying attention? There ain't no Maemo 6 now and no confirmation Meego is going on the N900.

You own stock in Sygic or somethin'?

[NokiaRocks]

Nobody's at the Cebit to ask Sygic what's up with the N900 navigation solution ?

[Rob1n]

Ahhh Excuse me, but ain't you been paying attention? There ain't no Maemo 6 now and no confirmation Meego is going on the N900.

EOL has a very specific definition, and as the N900 is still being manufactured, sold, and supported, it very definitely does not apply.

There was never any confirmation that Maemo 6 was coming to the N900, and there's been no confirmation that MeeGo won't be (just be thankful you didn't buy a Windows Mobile based phone).

[Dave999]

could it be that they will release the new version of sygic's sw(Aura) for n900?

[LordJuanlo]

Don't think so, they would have removed Maemo version of the "old" app from their shop

[Hossie]

It should be released "a month ago"

http://twitter.com/SygicOfficial/status/9922421229

and Aura is coming too

http://twitter.com/SygicOfficial/status/9917434966

[russo_br]

and Aura is coming too
http://twitter.com/SygicOfficial/status/9917434966

As a potential byuer I am happy to know that but at the same time a bit worried... If we buy Sygic for Maemo now and they will launch Aura a few months later, will we have the option to upgrade it, even paying an extra fee? Or will we need to buy it again at full price?

I guess even iPhone owners who bought Sygic are wondering this right now. It would be good if someone from Sygic can confirm their upgrade policies.

[NokiaRocks]

Aura for Maemo is nice. :D
Gonna save my money to get it when it comes out ( in like 10 - 15 months)

[Matan]

Enough with the FUD. There has been no statement of that nature - nor even anything remotely hinting that the N900 is EOL. We seriously do not need this kind of thing - the forums have enough FUD already.

You mean support like this comment from a Nokia employee in bugzilla: "at this phase mostly just bugs critical to end users
will be fixed for Fremantle"

[taril]

Official:
This will be for N900 too soon on OVI:

http://sygic.com/aura/img_data/gall05.jpg


http://sygic.com/aura

[Anna]

Nobody's at the Cebit to ask Sygic what's up with the N900 navigation solution ?
Hi guys, if we knew anything from Nokia, I would put it here with pleasure, believe me! But we don't:-(
But please, come to CeBIT, we'll be glad to meet you here - any of you.

[Anna]

As a potential byuer I am happy to know that but at the same time a bit worried... If we buy Sygic for Maemo now and they will launch Aura a few months later, will we have the option to upgrade it, even paying an extra fee? Or will we need to buy it again at full price?

I guess even iPhone owners who bought Sygic are wondering this right now. It would be good if someone from Sygic can confirm their upgrade policies.

Mobile Maps and AURA are two separate products. Both are going to be supported and updated. It is up to you which one you like better - you can go for that one.

[TheLongshot]

You mean support like this comment from a Nokia employee in bugzilla: "at this phase mostly just bugs critical to end users
will be fixed for Fremantle"

Which is, at the very least, what people want. If there isn't going to be much in new features, they will want at least bug fixes to make a stable operating system. The rest is just applications, which with QT, there is at least a common base to work from between Maemo 5 and whatever comes next.

[Anna]

Aura for Maemo is nice. :D
Gonna save my money to get it when it comes out ( in like 10 - 15 months)
Oh, don't scare us and the rest of the forum:-( we are frustrated enough:-(. I am waiting every day to be able to announce Mobile Maps - the app is technically approved by Ovi store already for weeks, but there is something with the payment process, that still has to be solved.
We want to get AURA to you, too, it is on our priority list, let's wish we won't need to go through so long as with the Mobile Maps.

[Anna]

Can somebody start a separate thread for Sygic AURA?

[NokiaRocks]

Why dont you start a thread by yourself ? :)
And why Nokia is not giving out any information to their partners ?

[stantheboss]

@Anna: Why don't you guys sell it from your own shop? Screw Nokia and their delays. People here are smart enough to install the app by themselves. I guess it's the case why it's being released through ovi store - to simplify the installation process.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

-edit-
...and we are simply pissed that huge company as Nokia can't handle it's own store for months now...I mean how hard can it be to hire a good developer(s) to get the job done?!

Their communication policies just suck big time:mad:

[Anna]

Why dont you start a thread by yourself ? :)
And why Nokia is not giving out any information to their partners ?

That is a good question - we don't know.
OK, I start the thread:-)

[Ronaldo]

That is a good question - we don't know.
OK, I start the thread:-)

well lets see if we get mobile maps 1st before another sat nav thread from a company who aint even released the 1st one....:rolleyes:

[les_garten]

EOL has a very specific definition, and as the N900 is still being manufactured, sold, and supported, it very definitely does not apply.

There was never any confirmation that Maemo 6 was coming to the N900, and there's been no confirmation that MeeGo won't be (just be thankful you didn't buy a Windows Mobile based phone).,


You can pitch semantics around all ya want, but it was dead-ended unless it goes the Meego route.

[Hossie]

As I have not found any contact form for the ovi team, maybe some comments (which they seem to read) would be good:

http://blog.ovi.com

[Ronaldo]

As I have not found any contact form for the ovi team, maybe some comments (which they seem to read) would be good:

http://blog.ovi.com

i asked a question abt turn by turn on n900

[debernardis]

Anna, could you please summarize the differences between mobile maps and Aura? I understand there's much more "social" on Aura, but concerning gps routing what are the peculiarities of both? Thanks

[russo_br]

Mobile Maps and AURA are two separate products. Both are going to be supported and updated. It is up to you which one you like better - you can go for that one.

@Anna,

I understand your frustration about the delays from Ovi Store, but since both will be separate products consumers will have difficulty to decide whether they buy Mobile Maps as soon as Nokia finally gets Ovi Store working, or they should wait for AURA for Maemo.

Do you have any estimated date for releasing AURA for Maemo? If there are little difference between Mobile Maps and AURA release dates it would be great if N900 owners could buy Mobile Maps now and later decide if they prefer to exchange their license for AURA, even if there is any extra fees.

[dogward]

So... Still no release date/ETA ???

This is so awsome; claiming they have a software ready for months and not even publish an ETA... Come on, is Sygic just fooling us around ?

And what about nokia ? Werent we supposed to have free Ovi Maps navigation for all nokia devices in march ?
Yep, I know, it's still begining of march, but I tend not to beleive nokia's PR lately.

But I guess that's (sadly) good for competition, I, as many of us, am going for standalone tomtom satnav, and I guess I am (sadly, once again), stepping out of nokia for my next mobile device.

[casper27]

The software is ready. There are many videos demonstrating this and there are actual members of this forum testing the software for Sygic for the past couple of months. I thnk they are as frustrated as us with not been able to realease it.

[NokiaRocks]

Why they just don't release it in their own shop then ?

[sgbirch]

I need my navigation software nooooooow!....any navigation will do!...I got lost the other day and it pisses me off that my old 5800 is starting to look better than my N900, especially with the kinetic scrolling firmware and full sygic support

You think that is bad. I have to carry my ancient HP HW6915 Windows Mobile 5 around with me because it came with TomTom pre-installed and provides the navigation features N900 is still missing.

[Hossie]

Although someone from the ovi team has responed to some questions on the blog now, they completly ignored our maemo-questions. Great.

[joshua.maverick]

It looks pretty garbage, ovi maps 3.x is better looking, so is 1.x. It's a shame nokia hates the n900 so much.

[Crogge]

Although someone from the ovi team has responed to some questions on the blog now, they completly ignored our maemo-questions. Great.

We are simply too nice with them, actions are required here!

No idea why they haven't released it on their own yet, it might be a special contract with Nokia.

[russo_br]

We are simply too nice with them, actions are required here!

No idea why they haven't released it on their own yet, it might be a special contract with Nokia.

The reason could be not just a contract obligation, but also related with anti-piracy technology being provided by Ovi Store instead of Sygic building its own protection system...

[Skyscraper]

Hi!

I was at the stand from Sygic at the CeBIT 2010 in Hannover, Germany!
They said to me that the software is already finished. But they're waiting for an response ("okay" or stlt ?!?) from Nokia.
->The Problem isn't Sygic. It's Nokia.

That is what I heard.

Skyscraper
PS: Sorry for my bad english. I'm German :D

[mele]

So are we waiting that Nokia finishes their Navigation software to Maeno with turn-by-turn and voice navigation and then they so green light to Sygic :D

[x61]

Hi!

I was at the stand from Sygic at the CeBIT 2010 in Hannover, Germany!
They said to me that the software is already finished. But they're waiting for an response ("okay" or stlt ?!?) from Nokia.
->The Problem isn't Sygic. It's Nokia.

That is what I heard.

Skyscraper
PS: Sorry for my bad english. I'm German :D

Nokia has long ago abandoned the N900. They simply dont care what people here think. Period.

[russo_br]

Nokia has long ago abandoned the N900. They simply dont care what people here think. Period.

I wouldnt go that far... but there is no excuse for not having Ovi Store ready with paid content. It is a soure of incoming for both Nokia and developers, so it should be available since N900 launch date!!

I've seen a lot of members defending Nokia with the example that iPhone and/or Android also took some time to ge things running... Come on fellows, a lead company on mobile market like Nokia surely knows the competitors fault, and it is expected that they avoid doing the same mistakes!!!

How hard can it be to set up a web site for paid content?? (providing that they did plan ahead BEFORE launching N900, I guess that was the problem... they let things like Ovi Store, Ovi Suite, Maps, etc to be worked on AFTER the N900 was out... if I am right it would be a basic mistake from nokia management...)

[shadowjk]

Nokia has long ago abandoned the N900. They simply dont care what people here think. Period.

Have you even looked at these forums? It's full of thousands of people posting the same stuff repeatedly over and over again, on topics they have no clue about, without first reading their n900's manual, without searching the wiki, without searching the forums to see if there already exists a topic, and so on... If I was Nokia I wouldn't want to wade through this stuff either.

Heck, how many weeks ago did Sygic state that they've submitted the app to Ovi and are now waiting for Nokia to fix Ovi? 8? Yet every week atleast 4 people ask the same thing. Sad, really.

There's no point in answering questions and replying to people's thoughts when people don't read the answers.

[russo_br]

Have you even looked at these forums? It's full of thousands of people posting the same stuff repeatedly over and over again, on topics they have no clue about, without first reading their n900's manual, without searching the wiki, without searching the forums to see if there already exists a topic, and so on... If I was Nokia I wouldn't want to wade through this stuff either.

Heck, how many weeks ago did Sygic state that they've submitted the app to Ovi and are now waiting for Nokia to fix Ovi? 8? Yet every week atleast 4 people ask the same thing. Sad, really.

There's no point in answering questions and replying to people's thoughts when people don't read the answers.

Consumers are waiting for something they expected a long time ago.... They won't just stop complaining while Nokia doesn't do their job right and fix Ovi Store for Maemo!! You may be the type of patient consumer who doesn't care too much how long it takes, but IMHO people should keeping asking to put some preasure on Nokia in order to gave N900 the priority it is not having now....

[LordJuanlo]

I agree, we need a full turn-by-turn GPS app, I wouldn't have bought the N900 if Sygic hadn't announced that they will make this program, and that it should be ready in december. Now imagine how I feel (just like most of you guys), three months later and I still have to use my HTC Diamond in my car for turn-by-turn navigation.

Nokia doesn't look serious about the N900, and that's very sad, we have paid a lot of money for this phone and today it can't be used for turn-by-turn GPS navigation

[cardiff-blues]

From an earlier conversation with a Sygic representative a couple of months ago. They told me they were ready to release the app but Nokia stepped in and wanted to do something with Sygic. In the meantime, Sygic have fixed a few bugs and made some enhancements to the software but I suspect that it was Nokia's involvement that has prevented Sygic from releasing this earlier.

[rash.m2k]

Nokia has long ago abandoned the N900. They simply dont care what people here think. Period.

Really? Did you even think about this post?

Clearly you are an inexperienced used frustrated because you don't know how to use your N900.

N900 lacks GPS, MMS and video calling - 3 features which are KEY, but there is NO doubt in my mind that it WILL be implemented soon, give the nokia developers some time.

In the meantime the N900 is basically a mini laptop in my pocket - the nokia dude was not exaggerating when he said it was a computer in your pocket.

[rash.m2k]

From an earlier conversation with a Sygic representative a couple of months ago. They told me they were ready to release the app but Nokia stepped in and wanted to do something with Sygic. In the meantime, Sygic have fixed a few bugs and made some enhancements to the software but I suspect that it was Nokia's involvement that has prevented Sygic from releasing this earlier.

Personally I think there is something more to this than meets the eye. Sygic WANT to protect their product from being copied, maybe the next major update (which is soon I think), will bring something that will allow this, thats why they are waiting.

I think it will be released before the end of this month, probably within before the 15th, we will have to wait and see.

[AloxeCorton]

I agree, we need a full turn-by-turn GPS app, I wouldn't have bought the N900 if Sygic hadn't announced that they will make this program, and that it should be ready in december. Now imagine how I feel (just like most of you guys), three months later and I still have to use my HTC Diamond in my car for turn-by-turn navigation.

Nokia doesn't look serious about the N900, and that's very sad, we have paid a lot of money for this phone and today it can't be used for turn-by-turn GPS navigation

Funny, I could have written that message - I have also kept my old HTC Diamond with TomTom for GPS navigation. I tried OVI Maps, Navit and Maemo Mapper and, even though the latter is almost usable for turn-by-turn, it hasn't yet attained the level of usability that I have come to expect from TomTom (aside from Navit, both OVI and Maemo Mapper are also meant to download maps dynamically which can be costly when you're not in your country).
I really don't understand why Nokia doesn't do an INCREMENTAL OVI map release -all they would need is to add dynamic routing when you stray off - regular routing already exists so this is a very minor thing to do. If this existed, I think most of us (myself at least) would stop whining...

[russo_br]

From an earlier conversation with a Sygic representative a couple of months ago. They told me they were ready to release the app but Nokia stepped in and wanted to do something with Sygic. In the meantime, Sygic have fixed a few bugs and made some enhancements to the software but I suspect that it was Nokia's involvement that has prevented Sygic from releasing this earlier.

I found out by Sygic technical support that their product uses Navteq maps, which is suspicious since Nokia owns the company... Check out the Ovi Blog comments where a Nokia employee named Niini confirms that Ovi Maps team are working on including turn-by-turn on N900.

My conspiracy theory is that Nokia is porting their Symbian version based on WRT (Nokia's webkit), to one based on Qt4.6 webkit. That would (theoretically) enable them to develop the same Ovi Maps application for both Maemo, Meego and Symbian devices. I just don't know what it is the deal between Nokia and Sygic, since having Ovi Maps with free navigation and delaying Sygic Mobile Maps launch at the same time it would destroy any business partnership...

[teh]

N900 lacks GPS, MMS and video calling - 3 features which are KEY, but there is NO doubt in my mind that it WILL be implemented soon, give the nokia developers some time.


Rephrase that, there is GPS, just not turn by turn navigation

There is MMS, its just not "OS integrated" at the moment. fMMS is the solution.

As for video calling, I wish that would hurry up too. The other half wants to video call me often.

[andraeseus1]

Rephrase that, there is GPS, just not turn by turn navigation

There is MMS, its just not "OS integrated" at the moment. fMMS is the solution.

As for video calling, I wish that would hurry up too. The other half wants to video call me often.

I saw a post the other day that said video call was possible on the n900 with gtalk. You just can't initiate from the n900. SO, if some one else on a pc with a web came initiates the gtalk call from their computer you can respond and have two -way video chatting. i havent tried this personally as none of my friends have gmail atm. so i can't personally say how well it works if it works at all

http://maemocentral.com/2010/02/02/gtalk-video-chat-is-possible-on-the-n900/

[Dave999]

From an earlier conversation with a Sygic representative a couple of months ago. They told me they were ready to release the app but Nokia stepped in and wanted to do something with Sygic. In the meantime, Sygic have fixed a few bugs and made some enhancements to the software but I suspect that it was Nokia's involvement that has prevented Sygic from releasing this earlier.


true...why cant sygic sell their sw on their webshop?

read the last line in this link.
http://www.sygic.com/index.php/en/compatible-devices.html

come on nokia! do somthing. say somthing. release something.

[cardiff-blues]

true...why cant sygic sell their sw on their webshop?

read the last line in this link.
http://www.sygic.com/index.php/en/compatible-devices.html

come on nokia! do somthing. say somthing. release something.

I am beginning to think (although I have no proof) that Nokia didn't want Sygic to release their product in case it had an adverse effect on their plans with their turn by turn navigation. Hence they got involved with Sygic and it looks like they have been able to control the release of the software to their ends instead of Sygics'

[Hossie]

Why is that? They have no problem with Google Maps or Sygic on Symbian?

[russo_br]

Why is that? They have no problem with Google Maps or Sygic on Symbian?

They have it because this companies invested on Symbian before Nokia decision to offer free navigation... There is a commercial strategy behind this offer, it is not just about selling more devices... Nokia intends to compete with Google Maps with 3rd party developed content to offer location based services, and with that in mind why would they want other GPS app installed on its phones?

[cardiff-blues]

It's a very long shot but as conspiracies go - could Nokia be delaying the Sygic roll-out because they don't want N900 users using it instead of their own offering? Perhaps they want to get ovi maps with navigation on the N900 released at the same time so that most wouldn't even bother with paying for Sygic?

I don't know - just pure speculation on my part and perhaps I should just stop guessing and see what happens....

[russo_br]

It's a very long shot but as conspiracies go - could Nokia be delaying the Sygic roll-out because they don't want N900 users using it instead of their own offering? Perhaps they want to get ovi maps with navigation on the N900 released at the same time so that most wouldn't even bother with paying for Sygic?

I don't know - just pure speculation on my part and perhaps I should just stop guessing and see what happens....

I was thinking this is a possibility, specially since Sygic confirms they use Navteq maps for the Maemo version, which is owned by Nokia anyway. Sure it is pure speculation, but since there is no news for some time (PR1.2, Ovi Maps, new apps on Ovi Store and so on...) we have time to expend... I guess that's why Nokia release the PR1.1.1 update just after announcing Free Navigation for Ovi Maps with N900 left out, so we could be distracted for a while... :p

[cardiff-blues]

.. I guess that's why Nokia release the PR1.1.1 update just after announcing Free Navigation for Ovi Maps with N900 left out, so we could be distracted for a while... :p

I guess it's all good fun and keeps this thread interesting with all of its twists and turns. I suppose with a little embellishment it could make a good film plot.

It would keep viewers on the edge of their seats: not knowing how it will turn out or when.

"Sygic Turns One Way - Nokia Turns the Other" - how about that for a working title? :)

[rash.m2k]

............."Sygic Turns One Way - Nokia Turns the Other" - how about that for a working title? :)

Nice :D:D:D:D