Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo

[cardiff-blues]

I saw the GPS Logs in the last release but didn't realise they were actually working. Just been playing around with them.

[bjknight]

Thanks for the answer Laughing Man.

Not so much thanks for the "read the rest of the thread" remark. I read this thread. I have posted on it a few times, in fact.

My question related to whether anyone had heard anything about it yet, not whether it was ever coming or how.

On balance though, thanks.

[TA-t3]

Here is the post with repository explanations :

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=574906#post574906
I couldn't get that repo to work with those instructions, I tried again today and no go. Could someone who actually got it working please post the _exact_ parameters for the application manager setup? Thanks. (As the Sygic server doesn't allow access to directories in general on their server it's not possible to simply figure it out by using a web browser.)

[cardiff-blues]

Catalogue Name: Sygic Mobile Maps
Web Address: http://repository.sygic.com/maemo/
Distribution: fremantle
Components: non-free

Please Note:
This repository should only be used by people who have purchased the Sygic software. It isn't for installing the software if you haven't paid for it and will cause problems if you decide to do so without having a valid copy.

[TA-t3]

Aha, that's better. Thanks!

[Ronaldo]

Try the following:
Navigate to - Address - United Kingdom - Your City - Your Street - House Number.

Sorry - just read all of your post and noticed that you already knew how to do this by this method. Apologies!

do you get option to add house number when you do a search via postcode?

[cardiff-blues]

do you get option to add house number when you do a search via postcode?

No I don't which is a bit of a shame. It would save a bit of time if they would add that little feature

[felbutss]

do you get option to add house number when you do a search via postcode?


yes you can and its very very fast. it even brings up all the streets in that post code. sygic is way way way way better then string searching. you can see every st if u cant rmbr how to spell it

[cardiff-blues]

yes you can and its very very fast. it even brings up all the streets in that post code. sygic is way way way way better then string searching. you can see every st if u cant rmbr how to spell it

Can you tell us how you see this when entering a Postcode to navigate to?

[Ronaldo]

yes you can and its very very fast. it even brings up all the streets in that post code. sygic is way way way way better then string searching. you can see every st if u cant rmbr how to spell it

then this option is not available for GBR (UK) map :rolleyes:

[mava2]

You could use the CamKeyd app!

Yes that works.
So it isn't possible to switch between the screen modes?

[les_garten]

Yes that works.
So it isn't possible to switch between the screen modes?

It's ctrl-backspace

[mava2]

It's ctrl-backspace

I guess I have to get me another car holder. Currently using the Nokia universal holder. Not possible to open the phone when locked in. :):)

[dread123]

yes you can and its very very fast. it even brings up all the streets in that post code. sygic is way way way way better then string searching. you can see every st if u cant rmbr how to spell it

not working on uk?

[Watergate]

Sorry if I`m a slowhand but I just updated Sygic and it supports now portrait mode. I hope it also gets me a quick off-line gps signal.

Rgds

[shaf]

oo cool, portait mode :D

[oxpo]

Sorry if I`m a slowhand but I just updated Sygic and it supports now portrait mode. I hope it also gets me a quick off-line gps signal.

Rgds

It supported portrait mode before too. You just had to choose it manually. Now it's automatic.

/oxpo

[bockersjv]

Used the latest update this morning. Auto rotate display mode is great, less menu presses. Also started in full screen but I think that was because my mods were still there. Overall not a big change to the look but there may be other bug fixes behind the scene. Still no house number on UK postcode search though :(

[jutl]

For me the accuracy of the fix as reported on the GPS Status screen has gone from averaging 20-30yds before the update to 5-10yds after it.

[Rob1n]

Also started in full screen but I think that was because my mods were still there.

No, it replaces the .desktop file, so your mods there were overwritten. It's just defaulting to fullscreen mode now.

[cardiff-blues]

Just in case anyone forgets. The new update requires you to go and modify your settings again. I had thought I had done this but had forgot about the speed cam settings so don't forget to enable those again in case you get caught by a camera on your next journey.

[les_garten]

Do you need to redo the FPS mods to fix the lag behind or is that fixed as well?

[bigbiff]

Mine seemed to be there in settings.ini.

[elmonen]

For me the accuracy of the fix as reported on the GPS Status screen has gone from averaging 20-30yds before the update to 5-10yds after it.

THe gps seems to be more accurate now..

[casper27]

Confirmed the gps is 15yards on average more accurate for me now.

[NokiaRocks]

Nice update Sygic.

[dalonso]

I downloaded Sygic from the repository through AppManager.

Unfortunately, it is crashing with a segmentation fault. I ran it through strace and it seems that several files are missing like:

/home/opt/sygic/Drive/Maemo/skin/application.skin
/home/opt/sygic/Drive/Maemo/skin/english.lang

In fact, the full skin directory is missing.

http://sygic.com/maemo is giving now a 404, so I cannot download from the web in order to compare contents.

Can someone verify whether those files should be present, and this could be the actual reason for the crash?

Thx in advance.

[Ronaldo]

you should have these files when you 1st installed the app

[dalonso]

you should have these files when you 1st installed the app

That's the problem, this is exactly the first time I install the app. I didn't install it before, nor downloaded it from sygic's web.

I simply added the repository yesterday, the app was available there and installed it.

Though I know it is an update for people that had previously installed it, it is a new installation for me.

Packages available through app manager should be always complete apps and never expect a previous install to exist. That's the way debs work. There are no incremental debs.

So I suppose it's a packaging error, then.

[Marlon]

That's the problem, this is exactly the first time I install the app. I didn't install it before, nor downloaded it from sygic's web.

I simply added the repository yesterday, the app was available there and installed it.

Though I know it is an update for people that had previously installed it, it is a new installation for me.

Packages available through app manager should be always complete apps and never expect a previous install to exist. That's the way debs work. There are no incremental debs.

So I suppose it's a packaging error, then.

Well - the repository is there for Sygic users. Which if you've not bought it then it doesn't apply?

Its not a packaging error - the package from the Sygic repository contains the 'new' installation file for the updated app.

Neil

[dalonso]

Well - the repository is there for Sygic users. Which if you've not bought it then it doesn't apply?

Its not a packaging error - the package from the Sygic repository contains the 'new' installation file for the updated app.

Neil

I'm sorry, Neil, but I cannot agree with you.

This is not the way that things work in the debian world, Maemo being a debian variant.

This is going to confuse users and readers of this forum, as anyone can find the repository through a search in the threads, and anyone is able to add the repository to the app manager.

As already said, though I could be wrong, debian policies do not allow for "incremental" updates. Every update to the available deb must contain the full application with all files, not just those "new" files.

Anyway, if this incremental update is the way Sygics wants to follow, then the debian package should have been marked with a dependency on the first package, that one from their site only available to buyers, so users like me cannot install the update from App manager.

It's the first time I found this kind of app deployment in the debian world, and due to it Sygic could be loosing customers which install an app that simply crashes without even a visual warning.

Or Sygic should make the full app available through the app manager and then deploy some activation key for buyers to activate it.

Just my 2 cents.

[Rob1n]

I downloaded Sygic from the repository through AppManager.

Unfortunately, it is crashing with a segmentation fault. I ran it through strace and it seems that several files are missing like:

/home/opt/sygic/Drive/Maemo/skin/application.skin
/home/opt/sygic/Drive/Maemo/skin/english.lang

In fact, the full skin directory is missing.

http://sygic.com/maemo is giving now a 404, so I cannot download from the web in order to compare contents.

Can someone verify whether those files should be present, and this could be the actual reason for the crash?

Thx in advance.

I don't have that directory, and it runs fine for me.

EDIT: It does crash if you don't have the data/configuration directories installed - these are not in the mobile-maps-9 package though. There's maps packages and a mobile-maps package available, but I don't know what's in those. Otherwise you'll need to download the appropriate map installer program from Sygic - this should contain all the other files.

[YoDude]

I'm sorry, Neil, but I cannot agree with you.

This is not the way that things work in the debian world, Maemo being a debian variant.

This is going to confuse users and readers of this forum, as anyone can find the repository through a search in the threads, and anyone is able to add the repository to the app manager.

As already said, though I could be wrong, debian policies do not allow for "incremental" updates. Every update to the available deb must contain the full application with all files, not just those "new" files.

Anyway, if this incremental update is the way Sygics wants to follow, then the debian package should have been marked with a dependency on the first package, that one from their site only available to buyers, so users like me cannot install the update from App manager.

It's the first time I found this kind of app deployment in the debian world, and due to it Sygic could be loosing customers which install an app that simply crashes without even a visual warning.

Or Sygic should make the full app available through the app manager and then deploy some activation key for buyers to activate it.

Just my 2 cents.

When were you going to pay for the app???

I'm sorry but, GTFO with they way things are done. How confused are you about that?

Maybe the way things were done are the reasons many things didn't get done.

I posted the repo that you searched for and found but that was for someone I thought had paid for the app. Now after reading you post, I'm sorry that I did.

So, I will go back and edit it out of my post and reference your post as the reason.

Thanks for the heads up dude.

[dashti]

thanks for the update :)

[dalonso]

When were you going to pay for the app???

Now that I know what the process of deployment for Sygic Maps is, It's clear for me that I need to pay first for downloading the app.

But look at how the majority of deployment works for other pay-apps for Maemo like angrybirds: They are downloadable but in order to use it or to add additional contents you have to pay and download an activation key.

This is what I was expecting, and this is what many other users will be expecting. In fact, there is already one other user in another thread that was caught as well in the same mistake as me.

I'm sorry but, GTFO with they way things are done. How confused are you about that?

Fortunately, I had the minimal know-how to run after the problem (strace, deb packaging), so we could start this discussion here. So I was not so confused about that.

But what about other average users adding the repository and trying the program, getting a crash without a warning? Many of them will desist and think that Sygic product is not good, unfortunately spreading the word.

And this would be a pity, as I'm sure the product deserves it's good fame.

Maybe the way things were done are the reasons many things didn't get done.

Maybe, I can agree with you on that. But again, this problem can be solved with proper packaging of the update available at the repository, so it has the Sygic's deb at their site as a pre-requisite.

I posted the repo that you searched for and found but that was for someone I thought had paid for the app. Now after reading you post, I'm sorry that I did.

Don't feel sorry about that. Your info is ok, it only needed a clarification ...

So, I will go back and edit it out of my post and reference your post as the reason.

... that you already did. So far, so good.

Thanks for the heads up dude.

You're wellcome.

[YoDude]

Now that I know what the process of deployment for Sygic Maps is, It's clear for me that I need to pay first for downloading the app.

But look at how the majority of deployment works for other pay-apps for Maemo like angrybirds: They are downloadable but in order to use it or to add additional contents you have to pay and download an activation key.

This is what I was expecting, and this is what many other users will be expecting. In fact, there is already one other user in another thread that was caught as well in the same mistake as me.



Fortunately, I had the minimal know-how to run after the problem (strace, deb packaging), so we could start this discussion here. So I was not so confused about that.

But what about other average users adding the repository and trying the program, getting a crash without a warning? Many of them will desist and think that Sygic product is not good, unfortunately spreading the word.

And this would be a pity, as I'm sure the product deserves it's good fame.



Maybe, I can agree with you on that. But again, this problem can be solved with proper packaging of the update available at the repository, so it has the Sygic's deb at their site as a pre-requisite.



Don't feel sorry about that. Your info is ok, it only needed a clarification ...



... that you already did. So far, so good.



You're wellcome.


Perhaps the problem is with distributions like they way you mention. Perhaps a paid update for programs like Angry Birds isn't available or has taken so long to become available is because of that. I don't know for sure, I'm just commenting on my observations.

It seems to me at least, the different approach that Sygic, Mobi, and other commercial applications are now taking may be the way that needs to be followed by others in order for their products to get to market. Both of these companies maintain separate repositories and they alone control the content.

Now that I think about it, that may be one of the factors in the decision for Meego not to rely on a debian distribution. However, that is perhaps a discussion for another thread. :)

I am a consumer/enthusiast/member of maemo.org. I am sorry if my response to you seemed terse. The reasons for my abruptness I also listed in the post that I edited (http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=611202&postcount=36). Another reason was the realization that I should pro'ly edit that post. :)

***

With all that said I would like to end this post by saying...

I bought Sygic not because of need, but because it was available. To me that trumps any sales that may be lost because it was not distributed through Ovi Store or in a way that causes any less confusion.

It is a fine product and well worth the money I spent.... about half the cost of a stand alone PND.

The program is on par with a generation old personal navigation device so it has room for improvement. The fact that it could be called a clone of one of those popular PND's means that the expected road map for these improvements has already been defined and in some cases confirmed by Sygic. For consumers, that's a good thing. :)

Because most of this programs GUI and "skin" is as exposed as it is, more and more "tweaks and mods" are being discovered everyday. For enthusiasts, who as hobbyists enjoy those discoveries, this is also a good thing :)

As a maemo.org member and active forum participant I hope announcement threads like this don't devolve into discussions about how to undermine the efforts of getting these products to "our" market. In the end, and IMHO that would be a bad thing.

[dalonso]

I bought Sygic not because of need, but because it was available. To me that trumps any sales that may be lost because of less confusion if it was distributed through Ovi Store.

It is a fine product and well worth the money I spent.... about half the cost of a stand alone PND.

I will of course buy the program as soon as maps for my country are available.

May I kindly ask you, though, for a third edit of your post?

Let's consider that not all people asking for help in this thread is "confused" about having to pay for the program. They may be simply confused about how to get the program, if they are used to install programs through app manager. As already explained, this was my confusion.

I do not think it was necessary at all to remove the repository info, but a simple remark about that repository being valid only if the user had previously bought the program.

I think both of us are in the same side, anyway.

Best regards.

[YoDude]

I will of course buy the program as soon as maps for my country are available.

May I kindly ask you, though, for a third edit of your post?

Let's consider that not all people asking for help in this thread is "confused" about having to pay for the program. They may be simply confused about how to get the program, if they are used to install programs through app manager. As already explained, this was my confusion.

I do not think it was necessary at all to remove the repository info, but a simple remark about that repository being valid only if the user had previously bought the program.

I think both of us are in the same side, anyway.

Best regards.

I have edited the post yet again.

Now may I kindly ask that you read the whole thread from the begining in order to avoid any more confusion.

I would also suggest that we should not install any app from a repository we may have found from a simple search without first understanding what it is we are installing. :)

Thanks again dude.

[Dr.Marcial]

I tried the new update, everything worked fine, yes you need shortcutc/ctrl+backspace to get out of full screen but everything else runs fine

my only problem with this app is the lack of poi´s cant even find a starbucks, they should enable online search at least, ovi maps still finds way more places than sygic

lets hope sygic mobile maps 10 fixes this issue its a game breaker for me

[TA-t3]

A lot of the trouble with the repo could have been avoided if Sygic had simply mailed the details to us customers, instead of posting a confusing reference here to start with.

[nightfire]

This is ridiculous. Debian packaging standards are eloquent, simple, and derived from years of experience. There should be no exceptions.

This one is simple.

Package all of the binaries you're comfortable distributing in the open, and expose them to everyone through a public repository. These are automatically updated on user devices.

Package your proprietary additions which unlock full functionality as separate .debs that you send out-of-band (ie. with purchase/user requested update). These could contain map data, game files (graphics/sound), registration/decryption keys.. whatever. These are not automatically updated. These packages depend on the first package.

For added purchase-protection, make all binaries check and validate a license key in ~/.yourapp/license.

Startup files, icons, applinks, etc.. are in package #1. They run normally. They inform the user that additional packages and/or license keys are required, then exit.

Problem solved.

Debian packages do not support incremental upgrades, and there is a very good reason for it. If you want to use multiple packages as a form of incremental upgrade, watch your dependencies.

[zdeno.]

A lot of the trouble with the repo could have been avoided if Sygic had simply mailed the details to us customers, instead of posting a confusing reference here to start with.

yes, you're right. Additional info will be added on Sygic website and to the description of app.

Everyone can also post suggestion, how installation and updating should works (in respect of existing method, considering also another platforms not only Maemo)...

[pigeond]

I'm in Australia and obviously I am also wondering about Australia map. Any news with that?

Thanks.

[eber42]

I've bough Sygic (Europe version) from Sygic website, and it does not work at all on my N900 (PR1.2). I've emailed their support 2 days ago but got no answer (not even a ticket). I hope they have not gone bankrupt in the meantime :)

Running from command line gives this output :
n900-ebe ~ > /opt/sygic/Drive/Maemo/drive -cwd=/home/user/MyDocs/Drive/Maemo -rfull
Init: Starting Up...
title: Sygic DRIVE
> set_stream 'ALSA Playback'
Segmentation fault


strace show the same missing files as described in dalonso post (http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=611824&postcount=1277).

I've tried standard kernel (so it's not overclocking related) and also tried to upgrade from Sygic repository, but it didn't solve the issue.

Just feeling a bit stuck now ... any idea ?

[ceroberts75]

it is looking for the "drive" folder with the directions to everything else.


did you transfer the 3 folders to your MyDocs folder?

[eber42]

did you transfer the 3 folders to your MyDocs folder?
Oops you're right. I didn't notice the Drive directory was part of the zip file (I went asleep long before unzipping was done).

I still think Sygic gets low grade for:

Bad documentation: It says "Extract the ZIP archive, and copy it to the root folder of your SD card. IMPORTANT: Folders Drive, Res and Maps must be located directly in the root of your SD card – not in any other folder.", so I copied files to my SD card (/media/mmc1 and not MyDocs)
Bad packaging: heard about .install files ? and what about downloading data file from your application ? manual unzipping is too complicated for many users (including me :) ).
Bad error checking (really bad programming practice): if your software depends on some files, check for their availability, and if they are not where they are supposed to, display a friendly message explaining what to do ("segmentation fault" is not a friendly message)
Bad support (hello, anybody here?)


Anyway the software seems to be nice and i think i'll like it (it looks like good old fashioned gps software like tomtom), and it's incredibly faster than the sluggish ovi thingy that came with n900.

[pthomas22]

I've bough Sygic (Europe version) from Sygic website, and it does not work at all on my N900 (PR1.2). I've emailed their support 2 days ago but got no answer (not even a ticket). I hope they have not gone bankrupt in the meantime :)


Just feeling a bit stuck now ... any idea ?

I also bought the europe maps and had trouble installing it.
The Sygic assistant thing does not work so i had to download the zip files and install those.
I have had a lot of correspondence with their support team and have nothing but praise for them. They normally take 3 business days to respond but I found once I got a response I can email that person (the support email come from an individuals email and not a generic support account) and get a very fast response

[NokiaRocks]

Any news about the release date of MM 10 ?

[alex25]

Still no news about release date of sygic 10. Summer holidays are coming real soon now!
Would be great to have the updated version by then.

[Patroclo]

I need to buy sygic, but I am disappointed to see that they have 9 and not 10 version.
What do you suggest to me? To wait or to buy now? Do you know how expensive the upgrade will be?

[bockersjv]

I need to buy sygic, but I am disappointed to see that they have 9 and not 10 version.
What do you suggest to me? To wait or to buy now? Do you know how expensive the upgrade will be?

If you had read any of this thread you would have learnt that 10 is a free upgrade for all 9 users :D

So no excuse not to but :D

[schaggo]

I don't know, using 10 on Symbian instead of 9 gives me headaches, 9 is more uuhm... I dare to call it refined.
While 10 is new it lacks the refinement 9 had. 9 got polished over the years, for my taste, 10 is still too new. So I'm somewhat looking forward to 10 but I'm perfectly ok with 9 running nicely here and I'm not to tense about 10 not yet being released. Anyone with me? Guys, 9 offers no real drawbacks on regards to 10 so grab a Martini and chill by the pool.

[les_garten]

I need to buy sygic, but I am disappointed to see that they have 9 and not 10 version.
What do you suggest to me? To wait or to buy now? Do you know how expensive the upgrade will be?

If you don't want 9 and have to have 10, I would wait for 10 to come out. Just to make sure it makes it to market.

Supposedly 10 is a free upgrade for owners of 9.

[bockersjv]

Supposedly 10 is a free upgrade for owners of 9.
"supposedly" ??? There is no supposedly, Sygic have themselves stated that it will be a free upgrade .

[les_garten]

"supposedly" ??? There is no supposedly, Sygic have themselves stated that it will be a free upgrade .

I don't believe anything till it happens with the N900.

[zehjotkah]

yes, SMM10 is/will be a free upgrade for SMM9 customers.
SMM10 is more polished and does not have any drawbacks.
Important new features are
- navigating directly to a contact by clicking on them (imported addressbook to Sygic)
- speedcams over internet
- traffic over internet
- weather over internet
- swipe to scroll instead of having to click a button
- map data will be upgraded for free as well, but it is also possible to use the old maps

I've also released a video about SMM10, check my signature to head over to my youtube channel.

[Fencer Darkwind]

No Gulf countries for Maemo :(

[NokiaRocks]

ZehJotKah, u said it's coming out "soon", but not "nokia-soon" :P
So any news about the release date ?

[ALLEyezOnMe]

I really hope that MM10 will finally fix the awfully slow and buggy position updating and the totally ridiculous "pedestrian route" routing that asks me to cross roundabouts and whatnot...

[Laughing Man]

Suggestions for update:

- Instead of choosing avoid next # of yards. Make it so you can avoid a certain road. If 495 is backed up, I don't want to figure out how many yards or whatever measurement far it is I want to avoid.

- Allow pasting of addresses into Sygic

[zehjotkah]

zehjotkah, u said it's coming out "soon", but not "nokia-soon" :P
So any news about the release date ?

No, I don't have a specific date or any news for you except that they are still working on it.
Seems like my contact (main developer) is in vacation right now...
He deserves it!

[jakiman]

Sorry if this asked before. Does SMM10 have spoken street names?

[andrew_85]

what about the china maps??

[bockersjv]

Sorry if this asked before. Does SMM10 have spoken street names?
No not at present

[jsbigs]

So far I am not at all happy with this product.

- My office is in Berkeley, California and Sygic puts the address in Oakland (both Alameda County).

- Driving up Highway 101 through Marin County to Healdsburg two weeks ago, Sygic continually tried to take me off of the Highway (changing from Fastest to Shortest and vice versa didn't change matters) and positioning continually put me on parallel roads next to the highway or roads even farther out (changing APS from on to of and vice versa did not change matters).

- Yesterday, driving from LAX Airport to first Carson, CA, and then to Costa Mesa, CA I encountered the exact same problems as the situation above. AND, on several occasions, Sygic gave me an error or "Unable to plan a route" or some wording to that effect.

I had been using my Palm Treo with TomTom Navigator 6 installed as a backup the last month but consciously decided to leave it at home for this business trip. Beginning to regret that.

Does anyone know where I can send feedback?

[stantheboss]

lay it all out here: support@sygic.com

[ceroberts75]

good luck on sending feedback. they Might read it.

maybe it will be better in 10.


it seemed to work fine with me (i am in the south bay area) and traveling from redding to san diego and even in las vegas, but i did notice my unit did the same thing the last time i used it.

ovi maps on my e90 did that too.

[Hext]

Does sygic support rerouting?

[cardiff-blues]

Does sygic support rerouting?

Yes it does!

[SygicSupport]

So far I am not at all happy with this product.

- My office is in Berkeley, California and Sygic puts the address in Oakland (both Alameda County).

- Driving up Highway 101 through Marin County to Healdsburg two weeks ago, Sygic continually tried to take me off of the Highway (changing from Fastest to Shortest and vice versa didn't change matters) and positioning continually put me on parallel roads next to the highway or roads even farther out (changing APS from on to of and vice versa did not change matters).

- Yesterday, driving from LAX Airport to first Carson, CA, and then to Costa Mesa, CA I encountered the exact same problems as the situation above. AND, on several occasions, Sygic gave me an error or "Unable to plan a route" or some wording to that effect.

I had been using my Palm Treo with TomTom Navigator 6 installed as a backup the last month but consciously decided to leave it at home for this business trip. Beginning to regret that.

Does anyone know where I can send feedback?

Hi jsbigs,

thank you for providing feedback.

We will investigate the issues you mentioned. In case we will need more info, we will contact you by private message. Hope this is fine with you.

Thank you.

Sygic Support.

[Laughing Man]

Hi jsbigs,

thank you for providing feedback.

We will investigate the issues you mentioned. In case we will need more info, we will contact you by private message. Hope this is fine with you.

Thank you.

Sygic Support.

Ah, I have a similar issue when I go from 270 -> Interstate 495. It seems to put me on Georgetown Road. But I keep forgetting to report the issue.

[radiowc]

So far I am not at all happy with this product.

- My office is in Berkeley, California and Sygic puts the address in Oakland (both Alameda County).

- Driving up Highway 101 through Marin County to Healdsburg two weeks ago, Sygic continually tried to take me off of the Highway (changing from Fastest to Shortest and vice versa didn't change matters) and positioning continually put me on parallel roads next to the highway or roads even farther out (changing APS from on to of and vice versa did not change matters).

- Yesterday, driving from LAX Airport to first Carson, CA, and then to Costa Mesa, CA I encountered the exact same problems as the situation above. AND, on several occasions, Sygic gave me an error or "Unable to plan a route" or some wording to that effect.

I had been using my Palm Treo with TomTom Navigator 6 installed as a backup the last month but consciously decided to leave it at home for this business trip. Beginning to regret that.

Does anyone know where I can send feedback?

Ya! i have the same problem too while driving back from Orlando to Tampa. I guess it can't recalculate when u r driving more than 60mph when you travel long distance. that is bad.


This weekened i am going to Orlando again, i will try to stop the car and see if get the same error...will report back.

[radiowc]

Very disappointed, it is giving me the problem again. And Luckily this time i have my other phone with Co-pilot 8 run on WM6 as backup and turned it on at the same time to give me routes.

Oh nooo.... with same setting using :"Fastest route" and ignore "Toll Roads" on both Co-Pilot and Sygic.. Sygic route me to all kind of stupid routes even thought in front of me there is a I4 West heading back straight to Tampa and yet Sygic ask me to takes other kind of routes which so much further and longer routes..

I compare the times and routes... Copilot give me the routes with estimated arrived time 7pm and Sygic give me routes estimate arrvied time is 8:05pm.

Through out my 2 hours of travel on interstate I4... Sygic keep asking me to route to different routes and Co-pilot just stay keep quiet and continue guide me until i reached Tampa.

Wow! i won't never use Sygic on my outstation travel. thats really scary. I have used TomTom, IGo, Garmin, FineDrive, StreetDeck, Co-pilot, and now Sygic.....I would never recommend Sygic.

Make sure you get a backup GPS when u decided to travel far with Sygic.

[CepiPerez]

What about Argentina?
We don't exist, right?

[x61]

Isn't there supposed to be a new release (version)?

[Patroclo]

Any news about the version 10 release date?
One week? Month? Year? Century?

[SygicSupport]

Any news about the version 10 release date?
One week? Month? Year? Century?

Hi,

yes, Mobile Maps 10 for Maemo will be available in this century, or in the next century at latest :)

We had first versions of the app ready back in April, but we did not want to make the app available for new customers before we can roll it out to existing customers. Updating existing customers to the new version is a complex task on the licensing side of it.

Plus, we also work with Nokia on simplifying the purchase experience. Currently, application and map file are separated in Ovi Store, which is confusing. Also, there are 2 different versions of the app available making life for customers not easier.

Actual timing of the update of existing customers to the new version can proceed when all of the above mentioned areas are covered and done. Bear with us, we work on the update with high priority.

Thank you.

Sygic Support.

[alex25]

So this means no new sygic version until the start of the summer holiday. :-(

[cardiff-blues]

I am pleased at least that Sygic are actually following this thread and making the odd announcement, keeping us informed and striving to fix bugs. :)

[pthomas22]

So this means no new sygic version until the start of the summer holiday. :-(

That is way too optimistic :)
Sygic say they need to get Nokia to sort out the Ovi Store side and things and from experience we all know Nokia cannot operate Ovi

[AkiL]

I would also like to contribute to this (I did not read the whole 134 pages, so this may already have been mentioned).

I live in Finland, a small town called Lumijoki, to be exact. I tested Sygic MM9 (the one in Ovi store), and was very disappointed with it. I tried several familiar addresses around this area (in a range from about a couple of kilometers to a hundred kilometers). Trying to navigate to an address (Navigate to... -> Address) most of the time fails, because the cities are somehow mixed. The streets are placed to wrong cities, or the cities themselves are placed inside other cities - for example: "Lumijoki (Liminka)". Liminka is the town right next to Lumijoki. This makes it very hard to find any destinations, because you would have to know every city around your target city and try to guess where the target street is placed.

If I try to navigate to my home address, the street is not found in my hometown. Actually there is only one street in my hometown, according to MM9, which is the E8, quite a big "interstate". But... if I try to navigate using a zip code, everything works perfectly. I can find my home street, which is good. Except that MM9 seems to think that my home street is located in an another neighbor town (Siikajoki). It will navigate to my home all right, but irritating still.

So, I would need to always know the zip code of the target to navigate reliably. Which can be hard if you are trying to navigate to some rented summer cottage, for example.

I realize this may also be a map problem (I was testing Multimaps Nordic), but nevertheless, the user experience on my testing was terrible because of this. I'm just glad it was a free trial.

[wasserkuhl]

Well at least there is a map for Finland! Australia doesn't exist yet........

[NokiaRocks]

What's up with Mobile Maps 10 ? Coming "soon" ? :x

[Patroclo]

Hi,

yes, Mobile Maps 10 for Maemo will be available in this century, or in the next century at latest :)

We had first versions of the app ready back in April, but we did not want to make the app available for new customers before we can roll it out to existing customers. Updating existing customers to the new version is a complex task on the licensing side of it.

Plus, we also work with Nokia on simplifying the purchase experience. Currently, application and map file are separated in Ovi Store, which is confusing. Also, there are 2 different versions of the app available making life for customers not easier.

Actual timing of the update of existing customers to the new version can proceed when all of the above mentioned areas are covered and done. Bear with us, we work on the update with high priority.

Thank you.

Sygic Support.

Thank you for your reply. But you should keep into consideration that there are new potential buyers (one of them it's me) who don't have version 9 and are waiting for version 10, because i woul really be nonsense to buy version 9 now when version 10 is available to all the other OS.
Further I will buy it from your site and not from OVI.

[samuch]

So uh, when's that update coming? I like to check in every month and see where we're at. Apparently no news yet.

[jsbigs]

So far I am not at all happy with this product.

- My office is in Berkeley, California and Sygic puts the address in Oakland (both Alameda County).

- Driving up Highway 101 through Marin County to Healdsburg two weeks ago, Sygic continually tried to take me off of the Highway (changing from Fastest to Shortest and vice versa didn't change matters) and positioning continually put me on parallel roads next to the highway or roads even farther out (changing APS from on to of and vice versa did not change matters).

- Yesterday, driving from LAX Airport to first Carson, CA, and then to Costa Mesa, CA I encountered the exact same problems as the situation above. AND, on several occasions, Sygic gave me an error or "Unable to plan a route" or some wording to that effect.

I had been using my Palm Treo with TomTom Navigator 6 installed as a backup the last month but consciously decided to leave it at home for this business trip. Beginning to regret that.

Does anyone know where I can send feedback?

Sygic Support has contacted me and appear to be trying to resolve the issues above, I would assume, for Mobile Maps 10. I'll post with additional news when I have some.

[olighak]

I have noticed one error as well which is very prevalent in Sygic when using it in the US.

In the lower right corner of the screen it displays the county I am currently travelling through, such as Johnston and Wake when I travel from home to my office in North Carolina.

Same has been true on my travels through over 20 other states. I´ve always thought that this had to be a mistake and that they´d really meant to place cities / towns there as displaying the County is of use to no-one and my hunch seems to be correct, from what I´ve seen on my travels in Denmark and Iceland where the cities are displayed instead of the county equivalents.

So instead of displaying Johnston and Wake in NC for example the lower right corner should display Clayton, Knightdale and Raleigh as I move toward work every morning.

If sygic wants to contact me then they can do so at my username @gmail.com I´ll be happy to provide further examples and some corrections to street/city data in Sygic maps.

For example the street I work on is displayed as the only street in the city of "Wake" North Carolina. Wake however doesn´t exist as a city, as it is a county, and the street Falls of Neuse Road really belongs in the city of Raleigh.

Other such examples are multiple, especially in downtown Atlanta, GA where I noticed all my hotel addresses downtown, as well as the airport being listed under the city of Fulton (which is a county not a city) instead of Atlanta.

[djdas]

Hi all,
just my experience: I upgraded to version 10 but I think this version is terrific! I wrote to the Sygic support my notes but didn't receive any answer yet, following are the issues I suffer:
1) the new scrolling interface is quite unusable because it's very slow and there are cases when you try to click an icon but the event goes to another one;
2) the CPU is always pushed at 100% (no OC, power-kernel 37 as used in prev MM 9 version) and it drains the battery in about 1,5 hours which is unacceptable while long driving;
3) several program crashes while driving (had to restart it while driving on highway because had to know where to exit in the next 2Km!);
4) GPS signal lost while in open space (outside cities, no buildings around), I had to close and restart the application to have the signal back;
5) I can't manage to write correctly contacts' addresses (using the standard contacts manager application), there is no way to use the "drive to contact address" function;
I didn't install new applications which could interfere with MM10 before or after the upgrade and don't use extras-devel repositories (system version PR1.2).
I wonder if I could reinstall the version 9 but use the new Map files to have at least them up to date.
I think Sygic should provide some patches because this version in quite unusable, while the previous was very good and saved me in lots of cases :)
Thank you very much, bye.

[stantheboss]

Well, let's face it. Sygic probably gets all the major of their income from the iphone app. That's where all the development is directed and it's the iphone app that is being updated in the first place. Sad but true...

Maemo is a dead-end, it's a good OS thought, but it's finished.
Sadly, this is what happens when the OS is no longer in the mainstream, well Maemo actually never had been there...

Great, powerful hardware and no interest from the major mobile development companies whatsoever.

Won't sell it though, there is no replacement that's on the market right now:p

[djdas]

It's not an excuse for me, I would prefer for sure having free Maps data updates, not necessary the whole software (for which I paid for).
I have nothing against Sygic but it's not a good policy to release software without testing (and the problems I have are symptoms of very poor testing IMHO).
Furthermore nobody obliged them to port MobileMaps to the N900. They thought to do business with it (and I hope they did) but if I pay for it, I don't want marketing, I want good software.
Bye :)

[maxximuscool]

Still no NZ

[jsbigs]

4) GPS signal lost while in open space (outside cities, no buildings around), I had to close and restart the application to have the signal back;


I really can't understand this either. Maps installed in N900, GPS receiver in N900...why can't it find any satellites? I was on the top of a hill in the Santa Cruz Mountains last weekend and it couldn't lock onto a single satellite.

[djdas]

Just for your information: I updated from the Sygic repository the new v10 and now it works very well, all the problems are solved :)
Bye.

[inidrog]

Is this possible?:

Make Sygic 9/10 stop nagging about congestion zones.

Make Sygic 9/10 display/warn about speed cameras even when no route is selected/calculated.

[Crogge]

Yeah Sygic 10 works fast and stable :)

[inidrog]

Yeah Sygic 10 works fast and stable :)


Who was this answer for?

[wallacelee86]

Yeah Sygic 10 works fast and stable :)

Is this Sygic 10 same as v8.1.6? I'm getting quite confused on this actually...:confused:

[inidrog]

Is this Sygic 10 same as v8.1.6? I'm getting quite confused on this actually...:confused:

Start Sygic MM, ... Settings .... About Sygic Mobile Maps

[wallacelee86]

it shows
Product: Sygic Mobile Maps 10
Version: 8.16
Map Version: 7.80
So, is this the latest? I just installed it 2 days ago after upgrading to PR1.3.

[jurop88]

I just wanted to publicely thank Sygic Support for having solved almost immediately my installation problems (usb failure and subsequent device swap) - it took less than 24hours to have everything on the road again!
TY Sygic!

[Dave999]

anyone heard anything about aura for maemo. still working on, release date?. price included in the current licens?

http://feedback.sygic.com/forums/66327-aura/suggestions/930115-aura-for-n900-maemo-?utm_campaign=Widgets&utm_medium=widget&utm_source=feedback.sygic.com

[zehjotkah]

anyone heard anything about aura for maemo. still working on, release date?. price included in the current licens?

http://feedback.sygic.com/forums/66327-aura/suggestions/930115-aura-for-n900-maemo-?utm_campaign=Widgets&utm_medium=widget&utm_source=feedback.sygic.com

yes, they're still working on it. No release date and no price just yet.

[newentrysuraj]

I don't see india in that list... is it available for India as well?

[bockersjv]

I used my Sygic navigation a couple of weekends ago for a journey from Bath to Frome. Despite saying I wanted the fastest route it took me down a single lane road which turned into a farm track. When after 5 miles of thsi I came across a main road it still refused to take me down it and was intent on sending me down an unamed single track road. In fact every time we used it it wanted to follow the most direct route, regardles of setting and regardless of the suitability of the roads to motorised traffic.

The fact that the app closed down for no reason too many times means I have completely lost faith in it and resorted to buying a satnav that does not assume i drive a tractor!

Also despite having te latest version the exit button is still on a second screen and still requires confirming. This makes shutting the application a right pain.

Shame, it started out so promising too

[gazza_d]

Just bought the UK licence and traffic updates a couple of weeks ago for about £20 all in, and reasonably impressed so far.

It does seem to be quite processor intensive, but there is only a couple of niggles which irritate me.

I would be very interested to see Aura on the N900, and what the upgrade cost would be.

[Joseph.skb]

Did they finally include APAC - Malaysia maps? :)

[SygicSupport]

Despite saying I wanted the fastest route it took me down a single lane road which turned into a farm track.

Hi,

we are sorry you experience such issues. We are investigating the cause.

Thank you for reporting the problem.

[Maruzko]

I used my Sygic navigation a couple of weekends ago .....
The fact that the app closed down for no reason too many times means I have completely lost faith in it and resorted to buying a satnav that does not assume i drive a tractor!


lol ..... wicked

[casper27]

Hi,

we are sorry you experience such issues. We are investigating the cause.

Thank you for reporting the problem.

Good to see you on the boards much appreciated. Do you have any further news on the Aura upgrade timescale/price ect.

[zehjotkah]

AURA is not an upgrade to SMM10 but a completely new application, afaik.

[riceboy]

i hope they release philippine maps

[SygicSupport]

Bath to Frome.

Can you please provide exact addresses from and to? What is the ideal route in your experience?

Thanks.

[SygicSupport]

Do you have any further news on the Aura upgrade timescale/price ect.

Hi,

we made good progress in porting Aura to Maemo but we need to understand better what the way forward will be - Maemo vs MeeGo.

[ddiscodave]

hi,

we are sorry you experience such issues. We are investigating the cause.

Thank you for reporting the problem.

fix this shitty program guys!!!!! Mine crashes constantly!!!!

[slender]

fix this shitty program guys!!!!! Mine crashes constantly!!!!
Fix your shitty N900 yourself.

Guess what? Probably many many users are using sygic and it isn´t crashing on them. So to make your statement believable please fill bug report and most importantly make guide to ALL how to reproduce the issue so people can confirm that it is really issue and not just your device that has possibly HW deficit or user error (tweaking system files, overclocking, installing stuff from devel &testing etc. that usual that might brake things up).

[uvatbc]

Hi,

we made good progress in porting Aura to Maemo but we need to understand better what the way forward will be - Maemo vs MeeGo.

Does this mean you're going through the same evaluation as the Instinctiv people?
I hope you don't come to the same conclusion. That would suck big time :(

[ddiscodave]

what is interesting here is that i didnt have this so-called attitude when i wrote the original post so lets get a hold of ourselves here gentlemen. my point from the start is that the app is chronically unreliable and the issues are very well documented both on bug reports as well as on the sygic side. all i ever see them respond with is "we are working on it". that has been going on for months.

what sickens me the most is why they would release an update (or even a RTM version for that matter) with issues such as;

cronic crashing
keyboard not working while the app is running
overheating of the phone while app is running
freezing

if you guys who are not experiencing these issues then consider yourselves lucky, but there are hundreds if not thousands of people who are. sygic knows it.

As for you developers..... this phone would not be what it is within our community without your hard work and dedication! I never stop throwing props your way and recognizing your tireless work. I always appreciate what you do for us end-users, so thank you again for that!

my rants are not directed at you but more on a big-picture level because as much as i adore this phone i sometimes want to leave it because there have been so many occasions where i have been in a real pinch and needed for it to run well and smoothly on the fly and for one reason or another it just wouldnt. when i use sygic is when it tends to happen the most.

thank you for reading

[SavageBrat]

WoW.. i have a request since the SygicSupport folks seem to stop by, would it at all be possible for you to port or add the map of Jordan to your middle east map pack plz...ty

[bockersjv]

Can you please provide exact addresses from and to? What is the ideal route in your experience?

Thanks.

Yes, the start was from Odd Down Park and Ride (Just off the Roundabout on the A367 and Coombe Hay Lane) to East Woodland Road (The south side of bath)

The sat nav took us down Coombe Hay Lane, along single track road through a village called Wellow, across a ford, then Hassage Hill and then wanted to continue across the A366 onto Hammer Lane. At this point I ignored it and turned left on the A366 till I hit the A36. Whilst travelling along the A366 it continued to try and take me down every right turn it would come to, even though they were often not suitable for cars.

This was also on a cold and very foggy evening and ice was present on the single track roads and we were in real danger of getting stranded miles from help. Even Google dierections for walking would not take us on these roads, and for good reason.

Hope that helps and thank you for looking into this.

[les_garten]

Hi,

we made good progress in porting Aura to Maemo but we need to understand better what the way forward will be - Maemo vs MeeGo.

This sounds to me like you are dead in your tracks. I thought the word for N900 was "No Full Meego" implementation??

Could you lay the cards on the table here? I would be amazed if you would continue to develop for a dead OS.

If you won't put Aura on Maemo, say so!

[Netweaver]

Hi,

we are sorry you experience such issues. We are investigating the cause.

Thank you for reporting the problem.

I had the same issue, actually also in Somerset, UK :)

But I'm pretty sure it's location independent...

Please fix the problems, I do not mind paying for good software. But it needs to be good then. The overheating, the freezing, the bad routing it does ... Not really there yet. But coming... I hope.

[johndoe666]

I think it may be worthwhile to port Sygic aura to Meamo. If you compare to iphone or android there are other alternatives such as TomTom, Garmin or even Google maps that Sygic has to compete with for customers.

Even though the base may not be as large as the other platforms there isn't any competition for Sygic to get meamo customers. Ovi maps is pretty useless and the other alternatives arent exactly perfect yet either.

I think a good majority of N900 users would purchase it because it looks really amazing... Just my thoughts.

[Dave999]

Hi,

we made good progress in porting Aura to Maemo but we need to understand better what the way forward will be - Maemo vs MeeGo.

This is what I'm afraid of. I read this as we dont see Aura for Maemo. Sucks. But I understand the reason.

[droll]

i can't find sygic for maemo anymore. they seem to have stopped support for it. stopped offering it as a download.

also, if i can somehow find a download link to a version that works, would purchasing the latest map for my country work with the app?

[Joseph9560]

Is it possible to get a US map from anywhere?