Sygic announces world-wide turn-by-turn navigation for Maemo

[titan]

fanastic news! it covers even more than Google Nav (US-only)
http://www.sygic.com/index.php/en/press-releases/press-news/225-sygics-turn-by-turn-navigation-compatible-with-new-nokia-maemo-phones.html

All currently available regional apps for other operating systems are in progress to be available on Nokia Maemo:
Australia & New Zealand, South East Asia (incl. Thailand, Singapore, Malaysia and Indonesia)
Brazil, Colombia, North America (incl. USA, Canada & Mexico), US
Complete Europe, UK & Ireland, Russia
Gulf Countries (Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and United Arab Emirates)
"We are happy to announce the compatibility of Sygic Mobile Maps with Nokia's new Maemo 5 OS. Currently we are in the phase of quality assurance performing final tests. We are working hard to launch it for sales by the end of 2009, but we won't hesitate to make this sooner anytime when ready." comments Anna Hurbanic, Sygic's PR Manager.

[radiowc]

Good fine...thanks!!! will definately wait for it :D

[debernardis]

Hope Europe too. Sygic is very nice.

[jsbigs]

Does anyone know if you can/will get (or will be able to subscribe to) traffic reports w/Sygic? As I am in my car a lot driving from client to client, this is an invaluable tool I currently use often (in Los Angeles especially) w/TomTom on my Treo 750.

[edgedemon]

Never heard of them, are they any good?
How do they compare to google maps or Ovi maps seeing as there is no google maps at the moment...

[romanianusa]

Sygic:

No satellite layer
No traffic layer (very important because you want to know if there are traffic congestion LIVE so you can take alternative route which Sygic doesn't provide because it's FIXED or downloaded!!)
No female voice as alternative
$80

This is why Google Map Nav is SICK!! It updated LIVE for traffic. Of course you need 3G all the time. The reason Sygic doesn't need 3G and load fast because it's NOT LIVE!! So it can't do things like update traffic.

NOOOOOOOOOO

[titan]

Sygic:
This is why Google Map Nav is SICK!! It updated LIVE for traffic. Of course you need 3G all the time. The reason Sygic doesn't need 3G and load fast because it's NOT LIVE!! So it can't do things like update traffic.


I've never used Sygic but I'd prefer a hybrid solution: have the maps offline
and optional (!) online access to live data (traffic, POI) or satellite images.
I hope they (or any other Maemo solution) will offer those features in the future.

[jsbigs]

I've never used Sygic but I'd prefer a hybrid solution: have the maps offline
and optional (!) online access to live data (traffic, POI) or satellite images.
I hope they (or any other Maemo solution) will offer those features in the future.

Agreed. This is what I'm looking for and exactly what I currently have running TomTom on a Treo 750 (which is being replaced by the N900...I hope).

[schaggo]

Sygic started off a couple years ago as some one-guy-project or so :p They were and still are quite small but their nav system covers every major player on the market. Sygic Drive runs on Windows Mobile, Android, UIQ, S60, even iPhone I believe and now Maemo.

It's not the best available, but fulfills everything a nav system has to fulfill. Optically it's drawing alot from TomTom, since it started off as a TomTom clone ;) Sygic has been bought by Teleatlas a couple years ago and Teleatlas themselves belong to TomTom. So it now even became it's bigger cousins little fellow :)

Does anyone know if you can/will get (or will be able to subscribe to) traffic reports w/Sygic?
No, Sygic doesnt offer any subscription based additional functionality other than a (I believe) monthly updated speed camera database. They are just too new in the business and still too small.

Never heard of them, are they any good?
How do they compare to google maps or Ovi maps seeing as there is no google maps at the moment...
They are completely different to Google Maps. Sygic Drive is what TomTom or Navigon or Garmin is, an onboard offline navigation solution where you put that and that many megabytes or gigabytes of map data onto your device/memory card and that's the data the program accesses. As mentioned, optically it started off as a complete TomTom rip-off clone and still looks quite similar. It's not fully matured yet but it's cheap and cheerful, offers everything a navigation prog has to offer. And is owned by the major mapping company in the world so there will always be map updates ;) Cant compare to Ovi Maps, don't know it yet.

Edit: Don't know Ovi maps I mean. I'm running around with some fancy robot in my pocket at the moment ;-)

[joppu]

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[qgil]

Interesting. Curious to know what is the technology they are using in this Maemo port (and in th rest of versions).

[schaggo]

Why not get in touch with them? They seem to be quite geeky :D
They might even like you ;)

[xn0wh3r3x]

Sygic announces the compatibility of its Mobile Maps turn-by-turn navigation application with the new Nokia Maemo mobile phones. The application will get ready for sale from Sygic web site e-shop by the end of 2009.

And it THAT easy to create a gps app. because they say "end of 2009". so wheres Tomtom, a decent Ovi Maps, Garmin... i mean am gonna pay for it!!! JUST WANT TO SPEND SOME CASHHH!

[titan]

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And it THAT easy to create a gps app. because they say "end of 2009". so wheres Tomtom, a decent Ovi Maps, Garmin... i mean am gonna pay for it!!! JUST WANT TO SPEND SOME CASHHH!

I suggest we all ask those companies whether they will support Maemo.
Does anybody know their email adresses or phone numbers for such inquiries?

TomTom is based on Linux, so it should not be difficult to port it.

[mirrorofsorrow]

Sygic Drive for Symbian is amazing application with very good maps. If the maemo port is as good as that and cheap, it will surelly be the first application for maemo I will buy.

[Bratag]

Huzzah!!!!

[YoDude]

Well, we shall see if this app uses all that Fremantle has to offer or is just a "pound to fit and paint to match" port.

I rarely use turn by turn as 98% of my driving is over the same ol' routes. Real time traffic input and re-routing capabilities is what I do need.

It is good to see commercial software becoming available. :)

Thanks for the heads up Titan

[romanianusa]

Nothing can beat Google LIVE traffic update, satellite image layer, street layer, and STREET NAMES announcement.....EVEN TOM TOM don't have street name announce?? That's not good.

[theflew]

Nothing can beat Google LIVE traffic update, satellite image layer, street layer, and STREET NAMES announcement.....EVEN TOM TOM don't have street name announce?? That's not good.

We get it - you like Google Navigation Software. I doubt they'll be in a hurry to produce a maemo version.

[YoDude]

Nothing can beat Google LIVE traffic update, satellite image layer, street layer, and STREET NAMES announcement.....EVEN TOM TOM don't have street name announce?? That's not good.

We have Google live traffic layer now in Maemo Mapper. I use it everyday with my 810 and before that an N800 with a Holux BT GPS.

Nothing beats an app that dynamically re-routes if the live traffic information warrants it.

...But most of all, nothing beats an OS that allows you to build an app yourself. :)

[Laughing Man]

The main thing stopping us from just taking a geolocation aware browser and using Google Maps is the constant polling will result in a temporary block from Google Maps. Otherwise geolocation support + Google Maps + constant refreshing + something to vocalize the directions [e.g. gmap to gpx + flite] is pretty darn close. :D

[schaggo]

Well, we shall see if this app uses all that Fremantle has to offer or is just a "pound to fit and paint to match" port.
It wont offer anything of what Fremantle has to offer. I doubt it being hardware accelerated (in the beginning) seeing that Sygic looks exactly the same on every platform is being offered on.
But we have a fully working and somewhat established gps navigation solution available on our devices. Cool!

[Gadgety]

I'm choosing between the N900 and either HD2 or neoTouch200 WM mobile based systems(sorry). One of the things that held me back in relation to the N900 was the lack of a good GPS app that doesn't require 3G connection. I am very pleased Sygic has released this app, and that it's so soon after the N900 announcement. Excellent. Having read a few reviews on line Sygic seems to function even better than e g Garmin XT in certain regions. Very encouraging.

[406NotAcceptable]

I always liked Sygic on my N82, hope this version turns out to be just as good. Good to see the N900 getting commercial support.

[drm]

Anybody knows what’s Sygic?
http://www.pocketgpsworld.com/Sygic-Mobile-Maps-now-Nokia-Maemo-compatible-2443.php

[pelago]

Discussed in http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=34409

[drm]

Nothing can beat Google LIVE traffic update, satellite image layer, street layer, and STREET NAMES announcement.....EVEN TOM TOM don't have street name announce?? That's not good.
It can be very annoying listening the name of all the streets. Voice should be only to give turn by turn navigation.

[sjgadsby]

Threads merged.

[jaark]

Nothing can beat Google LIVE traffic update, satellite image layer, street layer, and STREET NAMES announcement.....EVEN TOM TOM don't have street name announce?? That's not good.

Nothing can beat something that will help you out when lost in the middle of no-where with no phone signal.
For most serious GPS nav users, the Google nav is a non-starter for that reason.

[Laughing Man]

I'm choosing between the N900 and either HD2 or neoTouch200 WM mobile based systems(sorry). One of the things that held me back in relation to the N900 was the lack of a good GPS app that doesn't require 3G connection. I am very pleased Sygic has released this app, and that it's so soon after the N900 announcement. Excellent. Having read a few reviews on line Sygic seems to function even better than e g Garmin XT in certain regions. Very encouraging.

Even with Ovi Maps I believe you can download them from Nokia's server and load them onto your device.

http://handphone-solution.blogspot.com/2009/07/direct-download-for-ovi-maps-30-without.html

http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/jaffa/2009/10/13/downloading_ovi_maps_without_a_network_c

[drm]

Discussed in http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=34409

Oops, sorry.

[christexaport]

Anybody knows what’s Sygic?
http://www.pocketgpsworld.com/Sygic-Mobile-Maps-now-Nokia-Maemo-compatible-2443.php

another mobile navi program popular on many platforms, including Symbian and WinMo

[titan]

Google Navigation from Droid has been "ported" to the G1
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=582656

as soon as we have a running Dalvik port for Maemo, we could run Google Navigation+Voice, too.

[Anna]

Does anyone know if you can/will get (or will be able to subscribe to) traffic reports w/Sygic? As I am in my car a lot driving from client to client, this is an invaluable tool I currently use often (in Los Angeles especially) w/TomTom on my Treo 750.
Sygis is preparing traffic info service - technically it is ready, but we still negotiate with the service providers in different countries. We will definitelly inform our audiences, once it is in place, incl. all necessary info.

[Anna]

...and including iPhone, Android, too - any questions are welcome via our web page:-) or at Twitter

[Anna]

[QUOTE=schaggo;375365]Sygic has been bought by Teleatlas a couple years ago and Teleatlas themselves belong to TomTom.[QUOTE]
Sygic has not been bought by Tele Atlas. Sygic has provided TA with Sygic nav software, that has been distributed via TA channels branded as McGuider... that was before TA was bought by TomTom. Sygic is an independent entity...

[Anna]

Why not get in touch with them? They seem to be quite geeky :D
They might even like you ;)
Any time:-)

[romanianusa]

Google Navigation from Droid has been "ported" to the G1
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=582656

as soon as we have a running Dalvik port for Maemo, we could run Google Navigation+Voice, too.

No kiddin? Can't wait to port Google Map Nav to N900.

[Anna]

Sygic started off a couple years ago as some one-guy-project or so :p They were and still are quite small but their nav system covers every major player on the market. Sygic Drive runs on Windows Mobile, Android, UIQ, S60, even iPhone I believe and now Maemo.

It's not the best available, but fulfills everything a nav system has to fulfill. Optically it's drawing alot from TomTom, since it started off as a TomTom clone ;) Sygic has been bought by Teleatlas a couple years ago and Teleatlas themselves belong to TomTom. So it now even became it's bigger cousins little fellow :)


No, Sygic doesnt offer any subscription based additional functionality other than a (I believe) monthly updated speed camera database. They are just too new in the business and still too small.


They are completely different to Google Maps. Sygic Drive is what TomTom or Navigon or Garmin is, an onboard offline navigation solution where you put that and that many megabytes or gigabytes of map data onto your device/memory card and that's the data the program accesses. As mentioned, optically it started off as a complete TomTom rip-off clone and still looks quite similar. It's not fully matured yet but it's cheap and cheerful, offers everything a navigation prog has to offer. And is owned by the major mapping company in the world so there will always be map updates ;) Cant compare to Ovi Maps, don't know it yet.

Edit: Don't know Ovi maps I mean. I'm running around with some fancy robot in my pocket at the moment ;-)

Sygic has not been bought by Tele Atlas. Sygic has provided TA with Sygic nav software, that has been distributed via TA channels branded as McGuider... that was before TA was bought by TomTom. Sygic is an independent entity. We still work with Tele Atlas as our major map provider, though.

[titan]

No kiddin? Can't wait to port Google Map Nav to N900.
have a look at
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=29178
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=32784

[Rauha]

Sygic has now posted a Youtube video about their navigation software running on N900.

http://www.youtube.com/user/Sygic#p/u/0/2HWs4nAJaiM

[ryuran]

Sygic has now posted a Youtube video about their navigation software running on N900.

http://www.youtube.com/user/Sygic#p/u/0/2HWs4nAJaiM

ohh... me likey... i wonder how much will it be here in USA with maps...

[jsbigs]

I hope they'll offer a sexier (read: female) voice too.

[cardiff-blues]

Anyone know how long it will be before sygic release theirs. I read something the other week that it might be before the end of 2009 but that doesn't seem likely now as we are almost at the end of the year.

I could do with this app asap. I would have had second thoughts if I had realised the N900 couldn't do step by step navigation out of the box so let us all know as soon as this is ready to install.

[cardiff-blues]

Any updates on the Sygic voice guidance for the N900?

[cardiff-blues]

I contacted Anna from Sygic and she said that they were hoping to release their voice guidance software for the N900 on 18th Jan. Hopefully not long to go now!

[Robster]

The 18th of January would be great!
Has anyone got an idea of what it will cost?

[mele]

probably same amout that it costs to other platform. 79€

[YoDude]

The 18th of January would be great!
Has anyone got an idea of what it will cost?

Other phone's can be had for about 62 EURO's. I imagine the US price point to be $79 - 89.99

[zehjotkah]

email from todays morning:

> Dear Cosimo,
>
> Thank you for your e-mail and link, your work looks very interesting. If you
> decide to make any video, please send me link :). We are currently finalizing
> testing of Maemo version, it should be available very soon. For more information
> please join our mailing list at www.sygic.com<http://www.sygic.com> section
> help. To your second question:
>
> *Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* malo by to byt potom pristupne aj cez nokiacky OVI store
>
> *Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* application will be available to download via Application Manager
> included in cellphone,
>
> *Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* via EShop on our website:
> http://www.sygic.com/index.php/en/how-to-buy.html
>
> *Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* Â* or via NOKIA's OVI Store.
>
> In case of any questions and feedbacks, please don't hesitate to contact me.
> Please stay tuned and keep an eye from time to time on our website.
>
> Thank you for contacting support and for your interest in our products.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
> Katarina Ferjencikova
> Sygic Technical Support
>
> e-mail: support@sygic.com
> web: www.sygic.com

[Robster]

Other phone's can be had for about 62 EURO's. I imagine the US price point to be $79 - 89.99

That's a very reasonable price :)
Will be about the same in Europe I suppose (€80/90)

[cardiff-blues]

From an email I received this morning...

>>>
Hi Andy,

For Nokia Maemo N900, you’d need to wait a little more. One thing is that we have it ready and running – for short demo see http://www.youtube.com/user/Sygic#p/u/0/2HWs4nAJaiM and we originally planned to bring it to sale by the end of the year from our e-shop. However, in December, we have been chosen by Nokia to feature on their Maemo Select web and we are now working with them on further steps on both sides to launch the product together – this is planned for appx. Jan 18, 2010.

Kind regards,
Anna
<<<

[cheeze[it]]

maybe they are launching ovi store/PR1.1 update

[twoboxen]

Will it support offline maps/routing/navigation?

[real_per]

[QUOTE=zehjotkah;466227]email from todays morning:

> Dear Cosimo,
>
> Thank you for your e-mail and link, your work looks very interesting. If you
> decide to make any video, please send me link :).

What link did you send them ?

[zehjotkah]

Will it support offline maps/routing/navigation?

yes, also voice navigation in many many different languages.

[Hotshot]

Can't wait! Nav was one of the few things I missed on my touch pro 2 cause it was free with the sprint plan I had

[titi974]

great news ! and what about ovi maps ??

[Hotshot]

great news ! and what about ovi maps ??

I was wondering the same thing too!!! Any good updates with ovi maps that support turn by turn nav is what I want to know

[IWantToMarryTheN900]

Who cares about Ovi Maps if this works? Let Nokia worry about core OS issues and let a nav company worry about the mapping software.

[Hotshot]

Who cares about Ovi Maps if this works? Let Nokia worry about core OS issues and let a nav company worry about the mapping software.

Good point but ovi maps are free but im always willing to pay for a good product/software!

[cashclientel]

Who's in charge of pricing these things? $80/€80 = stupid money... They can't just think "a stand along GPS equivalent costs €100 so we can get away with €80" - who's gonna buy this? You're better off with a bottom end TomTom for the same money.

[SubCore]

You're better off with a bottom end TomTom for the same money.

if you're fine with having 2 devices and having to manage 2 sets of adress lists, sure.

i for one am happy to pay 80€ for a good navigation solution for my all-in-one mobile device :)

[Robster]

if you're fine with having 2 devices and having to manage 2 sets of adress lists, sure.

i for one am happy to pay 80€ for a good navigation solution for my all-in-one mobile device :)

So am I. Just need a Brodit thing to mount it on my dashboard.

[jcompagner]

Who's in charge of pricing these things? $80/€80 = stupid money... They can't just think "a stand along GPS equivalent costs €100 so we can get away with €80" - who's gonna buy this? You're better off with a bottom end TomTom for the same money.

i think the most basic tomtom is about 130 euro.. But then you only get for my country the "benelux" maps.

Nokia/Ovi maps are pretty well valued if you ask me. I think they are about the same as Sygic but sygic is a bit different then ovi:

http://www.sygic.com/index.php/en/faq/23-assistant-tool-a-updates/87-can-i-update-my-sygic-mobile-maps-software-to-newer-version-for-free-are-map-data-updates-also-included.html

thats not so nice... Look ovi maps you can get a 1 year (i could buy a 3 year for 100 i believe but thats gone) but then you have constantly the latest software and maps..

But sygic seems to be a bit different, they do tell you that the 2009 software will be update able but not the maps..
But i dont know how they work, must i download all the maps at once and have them installed? Or can i just say i want now the USA because i am on vacation for 2 weeks (coming from Europa)

Do remember that maps are not cheap.. They have to be constantly updated and new features are constantly added, Those are done most of the time by just driving in a car for days/weeks and making pictures in all directions..
Really that is quite a bit of labor so expensive!

If find a yearly subscription of 50 to 80 for navigation and constantly updated maps (whole world) and software a perfect price.

[Flandry]

Who cares about Ovi Maps if this works?

/me raises his hand

There was very little disclaimer of the fact that Maemo Ovi maps is a really really crappy shade of the Symbian version in the N900 promotions. Ovi maps isn't why i bought the N900, but it is how it first got my attention, and IMO after the way it pitched the N900 Nokia has a moral obligation to get Ovi for Maemo up to parity with its other offering.

As it is now, it's an embarassment of a preinstalled app and is largely dysfunctional.

[smolomiami]

I just got answer from sygic here we go so i believe the ovi store open this month too

Dear sir,



We are finalizing testing of Maemo version, it should be available until end of January, from both Ovi store and our eshop. For more information please join our mailing list at www.sygic.com section help.



Thank you for contacting support and your interest in our products!



Best regards,

[R-R]

Nokia should make a deal with them and offer this to everyone to sell the platform as an excuse for the crappy OVI map...

The price point to me is a bit over the top.

[smolomiami]

Nokia should make a deal with them and offer this to everyone to sell the platform as an excuse for the crappy OVI map...

The price point to me is a bit over the top.


yes men you right im getting sick about ovi maps is complete useless and now i need the navigation turn by turn like hell and i don't have any oh yeah why i sold my samsung omnia hd garmin xt mobile google maps i was stupid

[twoboxen]

yes men you right im getting sick about ovi maps is complete useless and now i need the navigation turn by turn like hell and i don't have any oh yeah why i sold my samsung omnia hd garmin xt mobile google maps i was stupid

.....manglish?

[Viipottaja]

Actually, the search function on the N900 Maps seems to work better to me than it ever did on my S60 Maps.. But yeah, the routing function is pretty useless (unless I've managed to miss a turn by turn instruction at least).

So, likely I too will get Sygic! :)

[verhagke]

I'd imagine that part of the cost is needed to cover the licensing fee for the maps. So I don't think the price mentioned is outrageous, but also wish that Nokia would be able to include a killer gps/mapping app like the Google Droid.

The fact that they are working with Sygic to bring this to market as part of their web launch indicates to me that we shouldn't expect a better Nokia offering anytime soon.

[Strive_Masiwa]

I just got answer from sygic here we go so i believe the ovi store open this month too

Dear sir,



We are finalizing testing of Maemo version, it should be available until end of January, from both Ovi store and our eshop. For more information please join our mailing list at www.sygic.com section help.



Thank you for contacting support and your interest in our products!



Best regards,

What do they mean "until the end of January"? Does this mean they will no longer offer it after Jan?

[romanianusa]

This app should be out by now along with Koffice.

[smolomiami]

.....manglish?


So because someone doesn't speak or write perfect english is manglish how many languages do you speak ?
tell me :mad: i speak 6 languages and you ? if you so smart

[sevdali]

Android platform is offering free navigation.
Nokia should offer the same if they want to compete.
One solution is to just buy Sygic (the whole company or just the app)
and offer it for free.
Another option is to improve Ovi Maps.

Nexus becomes cheaper than N900 considering the free navigation.

[AlexDT]

So because someone doesn't speak or write perfect english is manglish how many languages do you speak ?
tell me :mad: i speak 6 languages and you ? if you so smart

I think he means "use-a-period". That would be like awesome.
", . ; : " ' ` ~" <-- feel free to use.

[colnago]

So because someone doesn't speak or write perfect english is manglish how many languages do you speak ?
tell me :mad: i speak 6 languages and you ? if you so smart

Don't sweat it...some people are just not good at coping with, nor tolerating, others from different cultures.

[ceza_21]

.....manglish?

you are a f...... raciest c..t :mad:

[zehjotkah]

please calm down everyone, we can speak like mature people, right?
thanks.

[smolomiami]

Don't sweat it...some people are just not good at coping with, nor tolerating, others from different cultures.

no problem men,by the way the manglish people who made the sygic, they from my country too so <<<twoboxen>>> don't buy it is made in manglish ok puto

[zehjotkah]

lets talk again over sygic.
i've had it on my nokia e71 and i've kicked tomtom because of that...
i like sygic and i will pay for it if they don't give me a review version ;)

[acano]

does sygic offers something similar to "street view" from google?

[smolomiami]

tomorrow i will call them, maybe i can get some more news about it, when exactly they start selling this, i hope i can download just maps for florida like i done with garmin, i don't need for whole us for now waste of space on memory card

[Rob1n]

Android platform is offering free navigation.
Nokia should offer the same if they want to compete.
One solution is to just buy Sygic (the whole company or just the app)
and offer it for free.
Another option is to improve Ovi Maps.

Nexus becomes cheaper than N900 considering the free navigation.

Only if you're in the US (and possibly Canada) - the rest of the world don't get free navigation.

[janszoon]

When When When will this little gem be avail?

[pinsh]

Android platform is offering free navigation.
Nokia should offer the same if they want to compete.
One solution is to just buy Sygic (the whole company or just the app)
and offer it for free.
Another option is to improve Ovi Maps.

Nexus becomes cheaper than N900 considering the free navigation.

I agree, free navigation on high end phones would be a smart move for Nokia. However, they don't need to buy Sygic for that, they already bought NAVTEQ, who makes excellent maps and software for navigation devices.

[AlexDT]

nvm.......

[sevdali]

I agree, free navigation on high end phones would be a smart move for Nokia. However, they don't need to buy Sygic for that, they already bought NAVTEQ, who makes excellent maps and software for navigation devices.

Excellent point. Then they should just provide better Ovi Maps.
The competition is harsh, they should use their resources ("NAVTEQ") to beat others.

Nokia always says "We have the 50% of smartphone market", OK but you are losing to others.

First, they enter the touchscreen phone market late.
Second their current OS (Symbian) is not good as iphone's or Android's.

N900 is a great move but why wait; offer more.

[twoboxen]

So because someone doesn't speak or write perfect english is manglish how many languages do you speak ?
tell me :mad: i speak 6 languages and you ? if you so smart

Are you counting english as one of the 6? ;) I jest.

[twoboxen]

no problem men,by the way the manglish people who made the sygic, they from my country too so <<<twoboxen>>> don't buy it is made in manglish ok puto

Well, shoot, if their english punctuation is anything like yours I had better avoid it! I can't imagine trying to follow a Freudian stream of directions.

go left 4 miles straight hang right hang left lanes available etc. I have no idea what I'm saying! Me, the huge racist idiot for not understanding what you're saying. Clearly, my fault, and I apologize.

[smolomiami]

So all i can tell you don't buy it simple is that, or be glad somebody finally made navigation turn-by-turn for us, other thing if am not counting English as 6 i m still fine, because i know 5 more than you, and what you know only yours ?

[twoboxen]

So all i can tell you don't buy it simple is that, or be glad somebody finally made navigation turn-by-turn for us, other thing if am not counting English as 6 i m still fine, because i know 5 more than you, and what you know only yours ?

I could keep going, but I would end up just being mean. I'll stop. You're right, and I'm wrong. You're smart, and I'm dumb. Best wishes, friend.

[smolomiami]

Best wishes for you too

[debernardis]

Well, shoot, if their english punctuation is anything like yours I had better avoid it! I can't imagine trying to follow a Freudian stream of directions.

go left 4 miles straight hang right hang left lanes available etc. I have no idea what I'm saying! Me, the huge racist idiot for not understanding what you're saying. Clearly, my fault, and I apologize.

@twoboxen: that's not a freudian stream, that's a stream of consciousness like those from James Joyce. Just my 2(euro)cents ;)

Back on topic... It is going to be hard for Nokia to sell an updated version of Maps for the N900 if the majority of those needing voice guidance turn to Sygic and spend their money for that and for this year's maps. So, imho, they must have no new version of Maps ready at least for 2010.

[romanianusa]

Nokia haven't come out with a KILLER APP that makes you want to have this phone. Unlike Android...they have Google Map Navigation. Heck, they're not even prepare to lunch their Ovi Store. This is the worst marketing strategy ever for any company. If you want a product to succeed...you ALWAYS come out with a killer app too...like when a new game console come out, they always have some sort of killer games ready for launch. Nokia suck in every possible way.

[zehjotkah]

Nokia haven't come out with a KILLER APP that makes you want to have this phone. Unlike Android...they have Google Map Navigation. Heck, they're not even prepare to lunch their Ovi Store. This is the worst marketing strategy ever for any company. If you want a product to succeed...you ALWAYS come out with a killer app too...like when a new game console come out, they always have some sort of killer games ready for launch. Nokia suck in every possible way.

I'm NOT using Android because of google Maps...
maemos KILLER APP: X-Terminal
I don't recommend to LUNCH the Ovi Store

[twoboxen]

@twoboxen: that's not a freudian stream, that's a stream of consciousness like those from James Joyce. Just my 2(euro)cents ;)

You are correct... that's what I get for typing without thinking :)

[jcompagner]

As long as google maps dont give me the option to download the maps on the device, its not really a serious turn by turn navigation opponent for me.

Ok in my home country i dont mind to much because i have "unlimitted" data plan (not really but i didnt hit it yet). But in my home country i dont use maps that often.. When do i use maps? If i am on vacation or traveling for work to other places in europa or the states..

And then that 80 euro i pay Nokia or Sygic for a whole year is peanuts compared to what i have to pay my telecom provider for roaming data....

So google maps is nice, but dont tell me that it is free and cheap to use... Because that is not the case.

Being able to download maps is a pre..

[sevdali]

As long as google maps dont give me the option to download the maps on the device, its not really a serious turn by turn navigation opponent for me.


Good point. I did not know that I have to be connected all time.
Then definitely Sygic or Ovi maps is better.

[cardiff-blues]

Sygic have just contacted me and invited me to test the Navigation Software. I'll let you know what I think.

[mr_bridger]

Sygic have just contacted me and invited me to test the Navigation Software. I'll let you know what I think.

Hows that? can i test it too? ;);)

is there a beta test group for sygic products? id give some time to the cause

Ross.

[sevdali]

Sygic have just contacted me and invited me to test the Navigation Software. I'll let you know what I think.

Is it invitation only? Can we also test it?

[robbie]

Sygic have just contacted me and invited me to test the Navigation Software. I'll let you know what I think.

So when will you get it?

[cardiff-blues]

currently testing but can't do too much today because of the snow. Initial thoughts are that it has a lot more features than the nokia voice guidance that i had on the n95.

the touch screen zoom buttons are a tad too small. i don't think i have over-sized fingers.

am also stuck with a uk male voice for the guidance when i'd prefer a uk female voice that isn't irritating. My guess is that you'll be able to add other voices in the release.

will post more after i try it on a journey, snow permitting tomorrow.

and who is the childish person who posted an offensive tag on this thread?

[romanianusa]

currently testing but can't do too much today because of the snow. Initial thoughts are that it has a lot more features than the nokia voice guidance that i had on the n95.

the touch screen zoom buttons are a tad too small. i don't think i have over-sized fingers.

am also stuck with a uk male voice for the guidance when i'd prefer a uk female voice that isn't irritating. My guess is that you'll be able to add other voices in the release.

will post more after i try it on a journey, snow permitting tomorrow.

and who is the childish person who posted an offensive tag on this thread?

Does the voice announce the street name?? Can you upload a video on Youtube and demonstrate how it run.

Another question: Does this app require internet to run and download map on the fly?

[schaggo]

One solution is to just buy Sygic (the whole company or just the app) and offer it for free.
Sygic belongs to Teleatlas and Teleatlas belongs to TomTom. Teleatlas is the direct competitor of Navteq. And Navteq...
However, they [Nokia] don't need to buy Sygic for that, they already bought NAVTEQ, who makes excellent maps and software for navigation devices.
Navteq has superior map quality over Teleatlas in western europe. Teleatlas is about 1-2 years behind in updating their raw material where Navteq offers newer - and since all Navteq powered apps I know usually have the better routing - I also suppose even better material. This doesn't help the case though that OVI Maps on N900 seems to be a waste ;)
does sygic offers something similar to "street view" from google?
No, it doesn't. And no other "offline" navigation software does. Google Maps is an *online* software, it needs an active connection to the net to work and thus can provide features like street view and the like. Sygic Drive is meant for offline route guidance and it's only meant for that and it does that quite well.
Does the voice announce the street name??
Another question: Does this app require internet to run and download map on the fly?
I am not quite sure, but I think there is a TTS-module (text-to-speach eg announce street names) available for the Windows Mobile version of Sygic, but I'm not to sure about that, didn't use Sygic on WM for quite a while. It provides good general directional announcements though.
You usually buy Sygic on an SD-Card where everything comes preinstalled. Don't know how they deal with program-only-downloads from stores like OVI or Windows Marketplace and the like. I suppose you can make the software download the maps via a internet connection as for example FALK CoPilot does on Android. After you started the prog for the first time it asks you to download the map data. But this will be a one-time download only, once you have the maps, they stay on your card/in your memory and get used by the program/device.

[cardiff-blues]

Ok, I haven't had much opportunity to test because of the snow in the UK but have now done three short journeys.

Firstly, the software has some great features and I say that coming from the voice guidance software that I previously had on the Nokia N95. I haven't had a dedicated Sat Nav before so can't really make a comparison.

There are loads of features, too numerous to go into in a shortish posting, but comparing the old Nokia software with the sygic is almost like comparing an old BMW with a new one with lots of gadgets.

I don't want to actually review the product as it would take too long to do and I just don't have the time to do it.

But I will get straight to the point and comment on the weaknesses. This is not an attack on the product as I do think it is very good and I like much of it.

However, one of the annoyances is that it is not overtly easy to switch between applications with the sat nav running as it runs in full screen and I couldn't find a way to flick quickly to another app. As far as I can tell, the only way to do this using the sygic menus is to close the sat nav down entirely.

A way around this is to click the top button on the n900 and select phone and then minimise that and you can then browse through other apps keeping the sat nav open.

But for me, the deal breaker could well be the next, and for me the most important point. There seems to be a lag in the voice and maps. The old Nokia N95 sat nav maps were generally 'spot on' when the voice said, "turn right" you could guarantee you were right at the point that you needed to do so.

The sygic however, has told me to make a turn in x amount of yards - but then I have actually taken the turn and gone about 50 yards before the map updated. (Good job I knew where I was going).

Perhaps might this be down to conditions? I don't know but I never had that problem with my N95 unless I had lost the GPS altogether.

For me this is the most vital part of the sat nav and even though the Sygic app is crammed with useful features that would usually win me over - the apparent lag between voice and map from time to time (on the shortest of journeys - 1.8 miles) is enough for me to have second thoughts about purchasing this and buying a dedicated sat nav instead.

To be fair in this process I have to go to London on the weekend and I will drive in and out and then make any additional comments regarding the lag.

[RipTorn]

So it looks to have all the same features as the iphone version?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoDPeI3xZAI

[cardiff-blues]

Yes, briefly looking at that video it looks pretty much the same functionality.

[Crom]

Looking forward to your coments on the London trip.
If Syngic is out of sync when you are about to make a turn, there is no point of buying it..
How is it in the trial version, can you add poi's?

[DaSilva]

I hope it will be released on monday...

[syncdot]

Hopefully the lag is a matter of unpolished trial version. Still crossing my fingers for this only N900 voice nav at the moment.

I'm also curious to see how it worked out for your London trip.

[Dave999]

Me too...report, plz.

[robbie]

However, one of the annoyances is that it is not overtly easy to switch between applications with the sat nav running as it runs in full screen and I couldn't find a way to flick quickly to another app. As far as I can tell, the only way to do this using the sygic menus is to close the sat nav down entirely.

..

There seems to be a lag in the voice and maps. The old Nokia N95 sat nav maps were generally 'spot on' when the voice said, "turn right" you could guarantee you were right at the point that you needed to do so.

Does ctrl-backspace work?

Could it be that it's the GPSses fault and not Sygics? Is the location on the map correct?

[ein_guter]

I noticed this lag behaviour of Sygic on my N97 too. It renders the navigational skills of this device to zero. I blamed the underpowered hardware and the bad N97 GPS antenna for it. Hopefully this is not the case with N900. I agree with you, Sygic on N95 works flawlessly.

Since i rule out the poor hardware (whats the cpu consumption when using Sycig?), maybe N900 gps is also too weak or reacts too slow?

The position often jumps around on Sygic/N97, wanting me to turn around on the highway :eek:, just to see that my position is fixed on the city streets next to the highway. Can you confirm such behaviour on N900 ?

ein_guter

[lma]

This may be premature (as it's still "coming soon"), but in http://sygic.com/index.php/en/how-to-buy.html you can buy every version except Maemo5 with entire Europe or North America maps :-(

[XTC]

Pitty that there's no such thing for Diablo :(

[debernardis]

Today I tried the new Ovi maps after the latest dist-upgrade. Bluetooth position seems to be updated at quite a low frequency, say two times per second. Might be that the satnav program lags in comparison to real position for this reason?

[cardiff-blues]

OK
London trip accomplished.
I set off from Surrey this morning about 9:00am, heading for Streatham, South London.

Almost immediately the lag was evident for a while and then became occasional. Now i am not sure if this was the software, the gps or some other issue but it does seem to lag at times.

As my journey progressed I didn' seem to notice the lag but i was trying to get used to driving and the new screens. I think i prefer the N95 mapping views but that may just be because i am not used to the sygic screens. One really annoying thing which i couldn't work out while driving was the speed limit display onscreen was showing weird speeds.

I knew what limits should have been displayed but i was getting indicators like 25 and 35 which was confusing me. I then twigged that the road speed limit icon was displaying the kilometer speed limit and not the mile speeds.

Now the first thing i thought was i'm sure i changed the settings to miles instead of kilometers and this was confirmed when i got back and checked.

Another thing was that i didn't receive any speed camera warnings at all. I used to like this feature on the N95 so alas that was absent.

On my return journey i thought, hey lets go crazy and just follow the sat nav. I hit some heavy traffic and tried the re-route which was a big mistake. I had to make lots of turns quite quickly and there seemed to be lag which is not good when you are completely lost.

Sygic voice doesn't name the street you need to turn into but if it is a named road it will say turn right into A1000 or whatever. I found it confusing when the voice was telling me to take a turn and the screen would show what street to turn into but then after looking at the turn it seemed to be the wrong street.

Whether this was another instance of the lag i'm not sure but it confused me and i spent ages stuck trying to get out of the traffic and find out where i was going.

At one point it just seemed to be sending me in one big loop. That may be software lag, gps issues or user incompetence - coupled with unfamiliar screens.

I took to the voice guidance on the N95 almost immediately and loved it. I will persevere while testing the sygic software but if you asked me right now if i would buy it then I wouldn't. Very rarely did i notice lags on the N95 and even then the mapping was quick to restore and clear. Perhaps i am not being fair to sygic at the moment so i will keep using and testing it for a few weeks until the testing period runs out before making a decision on this. If the retail price on this is expensive when it is released then i may well go for a dedicated sat nav instead.

I will post further feedback if it is useful for anyone?

[atunguyd]

edit - stupid me!!

[d-iivil]

Almost available! :)

http://i1.aijaa.com/t/00904/5585773.t.png (http://www.aijaa.com/v.php?i=5585773.png)
(click to enlarge)

[Rob1n]

I will post further feedback if it is useful for anyone?

Yes please! As you say, it's quite an expensive app, so the more feedback we can read, the better. Presumably you're feeding this back to Sygic as well, so they can try and fix some of these issues?

[d-iivil]

I think the "lag" isn't Sygic's fault since Ovi Maps is also 10-50m behind the real position all the time.

It must be some sort of delay between GPS-driver -> program which parses the info and displays it on the screen.

I'm going to buy this program as soon as it's available via Sygic's Shop. I've used Sygic in the past with my E90 & N97 :)

[DaSilva]

I just got an update from Sygic:

Hello,

I would like to inform you that Sygic will be available very soon. You will need to purchase whole product because it is not compatible with any other OS.



Thank you for contacting support and for your interest in our products.



Best regards



Michal Vajicek

Sygic, a.s.

Nam. 1. Maja 18

811 03 Bratislava

[cardiff-blues]

Quick update:
Performed to short (2 mile) journeys today and didn't have any lag. I am reporting the problems I find to Sygic.

What I do like about it is that once you get used to the screens it is quick and easy to use. If I have a few more trouble free journeys then I would conclude that the lag may be a gps issue as the previous poster has mentioned.

I will post back with further info as acquired.

[robbie]

Do you have an external buetooth GPS to test it with? Maybe that removes the lag?

[cardiff-blues]

Hi Robbie
No I don't have another gps to test with unfortunately. Does anyone know of an app used for testing the gps for problems and drop-outs?

[stantheboss]

Has anyone got a reply on the exact date from Sygic regarding the release?
They mailed me 2 weeks ago that the approx date is 18th of Jan.

[cardiff-blues]

I was told 18th Jan, a few days ago but that might be week commencing and might be subject to any last minute bug fixing

[stantheboss]

Thanks for the confirmation, let's hope it'll get released anytime this week.
It's not because of (mostly) a bug fixing though, it's due to simultaneous lunch on Maemo Select and the Sygic on-line shop, that's what I've been told lately.

[LordJuanlo]

Still can't purchase it, however on Sygic store it looks like you won't be able to buy a full Western Europe map if you choose Maemo, and that's a big disappointment to me. You can buy it for Windows Mobile, iPhone, Symbian and Android, but for Maemo you must buy individual European maps.

I hope this will be addressed when the product is available for purchase, but I have a really bad feeling about it

[jcompagner]

Still can't purchase it, however on Sygic store it looks like you won't be able to buy a full Western Europe map if you choose Maemo, and that's a big disappointment to me. You can buy it for Windows Mobile, iPhone, Symbian and Android, but for Maemo you must buy individual European maps.

I hope this will be addressed when the product is available for purchase, but I have a really bad feeling about it

This would result in me not buying sygic...

[ColonelKilkenny]

In case someone missed the information.
SygicOfficial@Twitter:
"Dear Maemo fans, we have sumbitted the app to Nokia Ovi store last Thursday already, waiting for approval.More info/prices/etc. is coming..."

[AloxeCorton]

I wonder if we'll be able to use the Sygic maps from another platform? Does anyone know if they are compatible across platforms (Android, iPhone, Maemo, Windows Mobile)?
Since I already have the windows mobile version, I would get the Maemo version with the cheapest maps and just transfer my Windows Europe map to it...

-=AC=-

[NvyUs]

it will not end up in ovi store until there is a fix for paid content being got for free via xterminal
so might have to wait a while for this

[Strutten]

This would result in me not buying sygic...

And for me to love it. I'm happy for the opportunety to just buy a region. But I do think that they should have the option of buying the whole continent (or at least an east or west side of it).

[d-iivil]

it will not end up in ovi store until there is a fix for paid content being got for free via xterminal
so might have to wait a while for this

Let's hope they don't have to vait for Nokia just to put it on sale on their own website...

[mece]

Let's hope they don't have to vait for Nokia just to put it on sale on their own website...

I've been wondering about that. I sure hope it will be fixed asap.

[stantheboss]

Let's hope they don't have to vait for Nokia just to put it on sale on their own website...

I guess that's the case, since it still says "coming soon" on the Sygic website!

...and again we're waiting for Nokia, weird...

[DaSilva]

@cardiff-blues: Can you tell me the file structure / file extension of your maps folder for Sygic please? If it is different to other versions Sygic uses a different map format for Maemo which would be bad :(
I got an email from Sygic regarding the maps:

It is not possible. You will need to download application and maps form OVI store. Application will be smaller than current application for other OS. So I believe that your internet connection won’t be big problem.

So I want to be sure.

[joelus]

Apparently Africa doesn't exist.
Or has no streets maybe!
Oh well, I guess I'm stuck with Ovi 1 Maps...
Anyway the thread title should be sygic announces turn-by-turn navigation for some countries for Maemo - it clearly isn't worldwide. :-)

[feydrutha]

Still can't purchase it, however on Sygic store it looks like you won't be able to buy a full Western Europe map if you choose Maemo, and that's a big disappointment to me. You can buy it for Windows Mobile, iPhone, Symbian and Android, but for Maemo you must buy individual European maps.

I hope this will be addressed when the product is available for purchase, but I have a really bad feeling about it

Yeah, I also noticed that.. I travel all over europe all the time, so if they don't offer me the possibility to buy all of europe at a reasonable price I don't have much incentive to buy. For the nokia n95 it is 80 euros for the whole of europe which is not cheap but acceptable from my point of view.

[LordJuanlo]

Yeah, I also noticed that.. I travel all over europe all the time, so if they don't offer me the possibility to buy all of europe at a reasonable price I don't have much incentive to buy. For the nokia n95 it is 80 euros for the whole of europe which is not cheap but acceptable from my point of view.

Exactly, I don't have any problems paying 80 euros for the whole European map, but no way I'm paying 40 or 50 for Spain alone. If they don't offer full European maps (like they do in every other device), I won't buy it.

I just emailed Sygic about it, I hope I will get an answer soon.

[atunguyd]

dont know if you can read too much into what maps are showing as available on sygic's store. Have you looked at the download file sizes. US east coast is 1.7GB and west coast is 100MB. I dont know much about the american road system (apart from the fact that they use the wrong side ;) ) but I am sure there is not that many more roads on the east.

[robbie]

Still can't purchase it, however on Sygic store it looks like you won't be able to buy a full Western Europe map if you choose Maemo, and that's a big disappointment to me. You can buy it for Windows Mobile, iPhone, Symbian and Android, but for Maemo you must buy individual European maps.

On what page did you see that? I mailed them and asked if they would bring out a reduced 'benelux only' version and they said that was not in the planning.

Never mind. I see it here: http://sygic.com/index.php/en/how-to-buy.html

My wish has been granted :)

[LordJuanlo]

Just got an email response from Sygic:

Dear sir,

European maps has to be split due to application size restrictions on the Maemo platform. On the other hand, it is not a problem to use more packages at once – you will be able to navigate from Sweden to Italy without any problem for example.

Thank you for contacting support and your interest in our products!

[Zelig87]

Sygic website shop doesn't give the option of Australian & NZ maps on the Maemo version ? Hope this is not true.

[SubCore]

Just got an email response from Sygic:

thanks for writing them, but it's still not quite clear to me if the "split" is only of a technical nature (as in, you pay for Europe and download the maps indivdually), or if it's a business thing, meaning you have to buy the maps individually?

[LordJuanlo]

thanks for writing them, but it's still not quite clear to me if the "split" is only of a technical nature (as in, you pay for Europe and download the maps indivdually), or if it's a business thing, meaning you have to buy the maps individually?

I just mailed them back asking that same question, because I'm afraid that purchasing every individual map will be much more expensive than those €79,95 that every other platform has to pay for the full map

[robbie]

I just mailed them back asking that same question, because I'm afraid that purchasing every individual map will be much more expensive than those €79,95 that every other platform has to pay for the full map

I understand that it's not cheaper for people that travel a lot in europe.

In my case i don't mind. In 99% of the i will be driving though benelux. And when i go to another country i can decide to buy the map of the destination country and not the onces that i'm traveling through because you need navigation more in the cities than on the highways.

So if they make the country downloads cheaper than whole europe, i'm happy.

[LordJuanlo]

Bad news, it looks like there won't be any map packages or discounts anytime soon. Now the good news, if we buy individual maps, they will "link" together and we will be able to calculate routes and do seamless navigation. Here's what they told me.

If you will buy packages that covers whole route from Spain to Germany, you will be able to navigate without any limitation.

Unfortunately, I’m not able to tell you if any Western Europe map pack will be available as it was not yet decided. Currently and in near future, we will sell only those European packages already available.

[feydrutha]

Bad news, it looks like there won't be any map packages or discounts anytime soon.

So how much does each individual package cost? I could not find prices, it just says coming soon...

[cardiff-blues]

@cardiff-blues: Can you tell me the file structure / file extension of your maps folder for Sygic please? If it is different to other versions Sygic uses a different map format for Maemo which would be bad :(
I got an email from Sygic regarding the maps:



So I want to be sure.

Sorry for the delay. Just looking now and I can't see the file structure from Mass Storage or File Manager. Where is it likely to be?

[LordJuanlo]

I got a very fast answer from Sygic regarding my concerns about this situation, that's what they just told me:

I fully agree with you, but I’m not able to change the countries included in packages or so. I will forward your email to responsible person and hopefully they will take some steps.

I do not think that price for whole Europe will be hundreds of Euro, but in fact, I still don’t know exact price for packages too.

In short: on Symbian, iPhone, Windows Mobile and Android you can get a full European map for €79,95, but on Maemo we will have to buy individual maps that, I'm sure, they will be much more expensive together than a full European map.

If anyone is as interested and worried as I am, please let Sygic know and contact their support (support at sygic.com, replace at with @), they need to know that lots of people find this situation unfair.

[RipTorn]

thanks for writing them, but it's still not quite clear to me if the "split" is only of a technical nature (as in, you pay for Europe and download the maps indivdually), or if it's a business thing, meaning you have to buy the maps individually?

I asked about Australian maps, but they sent me a canned response saying the program will be released very soon. I asked about Australian maps again in a reply and am still waiting back.

Hopefully Australian maps are available as they are with the iphone and all the rest.

[cardiff-blues]

What I can confirm is that in the test version I have the ability to install maps for: Benelux, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Eastern Europe, France, Iberia, Italy Nordics.

Although not sure if these will be available in release version.

[LordJuanlo]

What I can confirm is that in the test version I have the ability to install maps for: Benelux, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Eastern Europe, France, Iberia, Italy Nordics.

Although not sure if these will be available in release version.

I'm sure all of them will be available, but I'm afraid that the price of all together will be more than the €79,95 that other platforms pay. That's why we need to contact Sygic and express our concerns. They have not announced pricing yet, so you never know, we could get something

[robbie]

I'm sure all of them will be available, but I'm afraid that the price of all together will be more than the €79,95 that other platforms pay. That's why we need to contact Sygic and express our concerns. They have not announced pricing yet, so you never know, we could get something

As long as we (you) don't now the price, there's no need to panic. If all the maps together are 79,95 then its better for all of us. More choice for the same price. So lets wait and see.

[LordJuanlo]

I hope you are right, but I can't see them selling each country for just €10 or €15

[azz]

Sorry for the delay. Just looking now and I can't see the file structure from Mass Storage or File Manager. Where is it likely to be?

First of all, Great job on your testing and feedback. Much thanks. I am patiently waiting too since I left the WinMo world. I quietly hoping it will come soon because I WAS SO CLOSE TO SMASHING MY N900 while navigating with OVI map. I guess I am spoiled by GARMIN.

Anyway, you will likely file the file structure using xterm. Use "cd" to change directory and "ls" to listing items OR you can install the app emelFM2 (not sure from which depository) to help you locate it.

By the way, keep up the good work.:D

[cardiff-blues]

ok I am looking around with xterminal. any ideas in what directory it is likely to be?

[Bundyo]

Since they are complaining that the free space is low - probably in /opt/[sygic or something]. This partition is limited to 2GB.

I don't quite understand why they are not using the bigger partition, maybe because its vfat and deb packages don't like it. Well, we can always symlink them in there if the space runs too low.

I like the separate packages though - this way I won't have to pay for countries I don't plan going to anytime soon (and I can pay afterwards if I need to go there).

[shadowjk]

i think even ovi maps uses the bigger vfat partition for map storage... They'd be a bit silly if they don't use the vfat partition...

[atunguyd]

For the australians and new zealanders I see that when you go to buy now the option for australia and newzeland doesn come up.

That is good news indeed!

[RipTorn]

Ok for the Australians out and about thinking of using this.
This is the responce from Sygic, I really was hoping they would have done something that makes the standard maps available to all devices.

>

Hello,

Maps from Australia are not available at this moment. Nokia N900 is selling only in USA and Europe. As soon as it will be available in Australia we bring Australia maps.



Thank you for contacting support and for your interest in our products.



Best regards


I was really hoping to grab this for Australia :(

[RipTorn]

For the australians and new zealanders I see that when you go to buy now the option for australia and newzeland doesn come up.

That is good news indeed!

Yes I did see this as well. Kinda strange they told me it wont be available.

[DaSilva]

We will have to see when it is released. Any new information regarding the release date?

[jcompagner]

Hello,

Maps from Australia are not available at this moment. Nokia N900 is selling only in USA and Europe. As soon as it will be available in Australia we bring Australia maps.



wooot?

What does it has to do with where the phone sells??
Stupid thing is, most of the time i dont need to use navigation in my own country.. sometimes it is nice but the times that i use it are spare.

When do i use it... if i am on vacation or on a bus.trip in another country.

For example this year i will go to South Africa for the WordCup i need navigation there.. But N900 is not being sold there so no navigation? Why??

[DaSilva]

Yeah, I think the same.

btw: I wonder who will be the best word team in the world this year at the WordCup ;)

[cardiff-blues]

Ok, the structure is in opt as someone mentioned earlier.

It has 3 directories
Drive, Maps, Res

Forgive the commands (Windows user here) as I attempt to display the directories. I have taken screencaptures instead.

[jcompagner]

Yeah, I think the same.

btw: I wonder who will be the best word team in the world this year at the WordCup ;)

i guess the team that is best in spelling words :)

[DaSilva]

Thanks cardiff-blues, it looks like they use the same format like for every other platform. Is there a big irl.pak in /home/opt/sygic/Maps/irl ?
How did you get the application? As a single .deb file?

[DaveQB]

Ok for the Australians out and about thinking of using this.
This is the responce from Sygic, I really was hoping they would have done something that makes the standard maps available to all devices.

>

Hello,

Maps from Australia are not available at this moment. Nokia N900 is selling only in USA and Europe. As soon as it will be available in Australia we bring Australia maps.



Thank you for contacting support and for your interest in our products.



Best regards


I was really hoping to grab this for Australia :(



So disappointing!! :(
Maybe OVI maps will be our saviour after all.

[RipTorn]

Well like someone mentioned before,
They now have Australian maps listed as available when its released.

So I have no idea, told one thing and I see another. :p

I'm still happy it has Australia listed :D

[russo_br]

I also wrote to Sygic asking about Brazil maps and they answer the same thing: as long the phone officially starts to be sold there we will make it available.

I replied mentioning that they commercial advantage is exactly to be the first company to launch Voice Guided GPS SW for N900, which current owners can mostly be classified as Early Adopters. I guess there are many others like me that imported the phone before it sells on their countries. I also completed that they should cash in before Nokia launches Ovi Maps for free.

Judging by today announcement that Ovi Maps services will be free worldwide, BUT no plans for N900 so far, I guess Sygic already knew that...

I really hope I am wrong, but all facts suggest that Sygic will be the ONLY alternative for N900 owners that need a decent GPS guidance SW, at least during this year.

[cardiff-blues]

Quick update.
When I was applying some updates to my n900 earlier a sygic one also came down. Over 220 MB. Quick observations and it I think there may be one or two enhancements. Something I don't remember being there under settings was a Radar alert. I'm not sure if that is just a stationary speed camera alert or mobile as well.

I'll test tomorrow to see if I have any further lag issues or other.

[jcompagner]

sygic logic is really twisted if you ask me.
I guess somebody should tell them that navigation is mostly used by people who dont know directions in the area they are in. And when does that happen the most if you are on vacation because then you are in an area that you dont know..

So to say that the N900 must be sold there before it supports it is a wrong assumption/conclusion.

On my E90 i used Nokia/Ovi maps 1.0->3.0 the in many countries and continents over the last 2 - 2.5 years. the usage in my home country is very low compared to the other countries...

[cardiff-blues]

I couldn't test today because after the update a map update came down this morning and it doesn't successfully load into the application so I have no maps in there at the moment.

[azz]

that's too bad....you should contact sygic and straighten this out...it would be a disaster if this update was pushed to ACTUAL user.

[VeR]

My first day with sygic on N900 :) i'm very impressed and convicted that i'll buy license after Full premiere ;)

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/7161/screenshot2010012221521.png

[bxbomber]

My first day with sygic on N900 :) i'm very impressed and convicted that i'll buy license after Full premiere ;)

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/7161/screenshot2010012221521.png



Good to hear that the gps application is coming to the n900. Initially I was dissapointed that ovimaps prob isn't coming to the n900. But I can live with this app if the price is right.

Just waiting for it to come out to make my choice as to weather I buy the n900.

[azz]

My first day with sygic on N900 :) i'm very impressed and convicted that i'll buy license after Full premiere ;)

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/7161/screenshot2010012221521.png

Did you have lagging problem like the other tester? The other tester experience lags when the app announce to turn left or right (so the driver may miss the turn already). Let's hope that is just a single incident. Thanks for that screen. Looks awesome. Can't wait.

[VeR]

I had no problems like lagging etc. But what I miss in this version, is button to minimanise sygic (for example in top left corner). Searching is fast, such as track calculating. I was very supprised,when my N900 has full GPS signal in less than 15 seq. Nokia have done their homework ;)

Some more Screens :

http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/3687/screenshot2010012221094.png

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/475/screenshot2010012221085.png

And this is like it should be in my opinion :

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/826/sygic1.png

1. I Need this button
2. Some of options are not corretly translated to some languages.

[azz]

GPS signal in 15 sec...NICE!...but I imagine that's with network location (you have data service)?

ANyway, looks like it is shaping up to be quite nice. As for the minimize app, have you try the CameraKeyd app....use the camera key to switch between app...see how well those two works....

[VeR]

AGPS (based on network) was turned OFF! Thats amazing :) Cam key works, i can switch between app, but it's a bug - not something that is made by developer of sygic. There should be something on the screen to easily tap it and change apps.

[jcompagner]

but it's a bug - not something that is made by developer of sygic. There should be something on the screen to easily tap it and change apps.

what do you mean with not something that is made by sygic?
If a program goes into full screen then it is the programs responsibility to create that button.

[VeR]

i think that sygic should make any button to switch between apps. We shouldn't use camkey or powerbutton.

[bushnaq]

how r u guys getting the program. In the sygic website it still says that its coming soon

[hippo]

how r u guys getting the program. In the sygic website it still says that its coming soon

They are testers.

[bockersjv]

how r u guys getting the program. In the sygic website it still says that its coming soon

Reading between the lines I think they are product testers.

[Imperium]

Any word on a release date yet?

[RipTorn]

Just got an email from them and they said they will be releasing Australian maps :) and it should be out very soon :D

Good news all around. I'm pretty happy this and other commercial vendors are looking at Maemo as a viable OS to sell products on.

[alex-000]

Any word on a release date yet?


News news news????? Release date?????????

[cardiff-blues]

Update:

Just noticed a new update of the software in the last few days and in Route Settings you can now have a Pedestrian Route or a Bicycle Route.

A nice touch me thinks as I was only trying to use it last Friday in London to find a location while walking.

[cardiff-blues]

Another update:
You can now set a Maximum Speed warning notification noise. That is very useful indeed so that you do not have to keep looking at your speedometer while driving on the motorway. The default setting is 62MPH. (Yeah right!)

[Dave999]

cardiff-blues...are you a tester or are u using it on another OS? or what are you talking about?

[cardiff-blues]

cardiff-blues...are you a tester or are u using it on another OS? or what are you talking about?

Have been user testing the software for Sygic for a couple of weeks.
Am reporting back bugs / problems.

[stantheboss]

Sent an email to Anna (Sygic PR) asking about the release date on OVI Store, didn't received a reply though. :mad:

[cardiff-blues]

Ok, I have just sent an email to a contact at Sygic who I have been dealing with and asked him the question about the likely release date. I will update the post when I hear back.

[stantheboss]

thnx for the info:)

[bxbomber]

Looking forward to this, a gps app is all I need for the n900.

[cardiff-blues]

Had a reply from a developer (I think) at Sygic. He wasn't sure when the live version would be released but I do think it is pretty close judging by that it was due for release a couple of weeks ago.

The latest beta release seemed to have had some extra functionality added to it.

It is looking good from an end user point of view.

[RipTorn]

So all the lag you have mentioned has vanished with the new updates?

[cardiff-blues]

The last few journeys there didn't seem to be an issue. I haven't had an opportunity for another journey since I updated a new release this morning but will try and get out later and report back.

[hollow]

would be nice if the beta software was available to a few more people , i would have liked to compare it to the in car pc version i have

[cardiff-blues]

Update:
Have just completed another journey and there was no lag at all. They also seem to have corrected the issue that I have mentioned previously about the km alerts.

It is looking like a nice stable and useful app now and if they can get a minimise icon to easily put the app in the background then that would be nice.

After having no lags for the last few journeys I am happy enough to purchase this if the price is right.

[bxbomber]

Update:
Have just completed another journey and there was no lag at all. They also seem to have corrected the issue that I have mentioned previously about the km alerts.

It is looking like a nice stable and useful app now and if they can get a minimise icon to easily put the app in the background then that would be nice.

After having no lags for the last few journeys I am happy enough to purchase this if the price is right.

The price has to be right considering that maemo can still get the free ovimaps, and the other gps apps that are being tested like navit.

That being said they do have a head start with releasing the product first.

[RipTorn]

I would expect it would be similar prices at the iphone and S60 devices, and if so I'll be purchasing it, I don't mind supporting a company that releases cross platform programs :)

[Rob1n]

I would expect it would be similar prices at the iphone and S60 devices, and if so I'll be purchasing it, I don't mind supporting a company that releases cross platform programs :)

I'd hope not, considering they're apparently selling the maps on a per-country basis for Maemo, rather than the per-region basis they do for other devices.

[RipTorn]

I guess we can only wait till it is released, looks like the same regions for sale for S60 and Maemo and iPhone on their 'how to buy' page.

[jaguilar]

I guess we can only wait till it is released, looks like the same regions for sale for S60 and Maemo and iPhone on their 'how to buy' page.

Not the same regions....select Maemo and look at the options in North, Central and South America.....there are only US East and US West. Choose Symbian and there are US, Mexico, Canada, Brazil and Colombia.

[russo_br]

Not the same regions....select Maemo and look at the options in North, Central and South America.....there are only US East and US West. Choose Symbian and there are US, Mexico, Canada, Brazil and Colombia.

I've mailed Sygic asking about the availability for Brazil maps, and they answered that by the launch date there should be only maps from countries where N900 is being officially sold. I sure wasn't happy since here is not even confirmed that it will be sold at all. In my opinion Sygic should try to cover as many countries as possible right now, since in a couple of months we can get free turn-by-turn navigation with Ovi Maps (at least we hope for it...)

[jaark]

since in a couple of months we can get free turn-by-turn navigation with Ovi Maps (at least we hope for it...)

It will almost certainly be announced the day after I purchase Sygic.

[rmarcus]

It will almost certainly be announced the day after I purchase Sygic.

Not by me if they don't make Brazil maps available!!!:mad:

[Razumichin]

No further hints on when Sygic will release this?

[russo_br]

No further hints on when Sygic will release this?

Previous posts on this same thread stated that they already submitted the final version to Nokia, and it is not released due to some problem with Ovi Store for Maemo.... I am not sure, but my guess is that's due to payment methods, since there is only free apps for Maemo until now (i.e. Angry Birds extra levels also can't be bought yet).

[wizbowes]

It will almost certainly be announced the day after I purchase Sygic.

Hurry up and buy it then will you!

[cardiff-blues]

Previous posts on this same thread stated that they already submitted the final version to Nokia, and it is not released due to some problem with Ovi Store for Maemo.... I am not sure, but my guess is that's due to payment methods, since there is only free apps for Maemo until now (i.e. Angry Birds extra levels also can't be bought yet).

Not sure about that. In the latest beta that I installed yesterday they had corrected a bug that I had noticed and probably others, so I think they must be correcting last minute bug fixes.

It looks pretty good at the moment. They haven't sorted out a minimise screen option yet though.

[jaark]

I don't suppose you know if they are planning a pack-in with a car holder (like Navicore did with their 770 version) do you?

[cardiff-blues]

Sorry I don't!

[DaSilva]

Does it support portrait and landscape mode based on the accelerometer?

[alex-000]

News from Sygic or Nokia?????? Sorry but i can't wait enough!!!! I need a turn-by-turn navigator!!!

[Imperium]

News from Sygic or Nokia?????? Sorry but i can't wait enough!!!! I need a turn-by-turn navigator!!!

Me too..

I hate waiting for something i dont know when it's coming..

[cardiff-blues]

Sorry I haven't provided an update lately.
I think there was a problem with the packages over the last few days which they updated yesterday.

NO further lags to report and it seems to be working well. Prior to yesterday my copy was crashing almost straight away after starting up.

it seemed to take sevaer attempts to launch. I'm not sure whether this was just my device or a general problem. Anyhow, after installing the laest release this problem went.

i haven't got any update on a release but i will ask he question next week to see if i can let you all have some useful news.

[NvyUs]

seriously you are better off buying a second hand 5800 and using ovi maps with all maps u wish for near the same price as sygic with all the individual maps for n900

[zehjotkah]

seriously you are better off buying a second hand 5800 and using ovi maps with all maps u wish for near the same price as sygic with all the individual maps for n900

you don't even know how much Sygic will cost...

[Dave999]

you don't even know how much Sygic will cost...

Or if its ever will be released to public...

[maxximuscool]

any word about syngic map for new zealand? anyone?

[NvyUs]

well for s60 with europen map its 80 euro i'm willing to bet its about the same on N900 if not a little more b/c the low amount of units to sell to.
i purchased a 5800 new 13 months ago for 200 euro
so now i should easily get a second hand one the same price as sygic.
Its going to be a big rip off as they have no competition on maemo 5 they have no reason to make the price competitive with anyone else

[lma]

well for s60 with europen map its 80 euro i'm willing to bet its about the same on N900

Except that it doesn't look (http://sygic.com/index.php/en/how-to-buy.html) like they'll sell the N900 version with "Europe" maps, just individual countries/regions. I would need at least 3 purchases to cover the regions I need, so unless they're much cheaper than for other platforms (EUR 49.99 for UK & Ireland) it would cost a fortune :-(

[eean]

Yea since they split up the US into the "East" and "West" divided by the Mississippi (a distinction which only exists in the minds of European phone map companies... Navteq did the same on the N810) and I live just a couple of hours from the Mississippi, I'd easily have to get both maps for it to make sense for me. :<

That said we don't really know how their pricing scheme is going to work. I'd be okay paying $10 for the other "region". So it'd be great to have an email notification for when its ready to purchase...

[cardiff-blues]

User Update:

Tested again today on a journey into and out of London. No lag to report. Speed camera detection very good. Voice navigation commands spot on.

The only weird thing to report is that when approaching a roundabout the voice navigation will say something like "Go straight over the roundabout".

That's not strange you might think to yourself, but it will say that for every roundabout even if you have to take the first, second or third turn-off.

Other than that - am pretty pleased with performance now. As others have mentioned. Pricing will be key to my decision though as if it is too expensive then I will simply buy a decent dedicated sat nav. If the pricing is spot on I would get the Sygic.

I don't know why the launch has been delayed and the earlier news about it already been submitted to OVI and hitting a glitch seems to be false to me because of the updates that are being issued and fixes that have been worked on.

I think that they must be just smoothing out the final noticeable bugs.

I will see if I can find out the final launch date next week.

[romanianusa]

I only way i will get this is if it's FREE since Ovi Nav is already FREE and Ovi Nav is better than this. It does no justification to buy a program that ISN'T BETTER THAN THE FREE VERSION.

[zehjotkah]

I only way i will get this is if it's FREE since Ovi Nav is already FREE and Ovi Nav is better than this. It does no justification to buy a program that ISN'T BETTER THAN THE FREE VERSION.

xD
you don't have tested ovi maps on the n900 have you?

[Lacedaemon]

Too bad Ovi Maps doesn't get a gps lock without network connection anymore, atleast for me.

[dread123]

Too bad Ovi Maps doesn't get a gps lock without network connection anymore, atleast for me.

gets a lock for me without network connection in about 40secs or so..with connection about 10-15 :)

[jer006]

Try updating the location server from the default nokia server to google's at supl.google.com this made the ovi maps obtain a lock so much faster for me..

does anyone have any idea when sygic will be released?

[cardiff-blues]

I only way i will get this is if it's FREE since Ovi Nav is already FREE and Ovi Nav is better than this. It does no justification to buy a program that ISN'T BETTER THAN THE FREE VERSION.

Sorry mate but that statement is rubbish. I have used ovi maps and Sygic on N900 and they really don't compare at the moment. But if you are happy with OVI then good on you and you'll save yourself some cash. For anyone else who wants something better than OVI then Sygic is the answer at the moment.

[Lacedaemon]

Try updating the location server from the default nokia server to google's at supl.google.com this made the ovi maps obtain a lock so much faster for me..

does anyone have any idea when sygic will be released?

I have. Actually it gps lock without network connection worked before 1.1 firmware for me.
I was looking forward to Sygic anyway.

[azz]

User Update:

Tested again today on a journey into and out of London. No lag to report. Speed camera detection very good. Voice navigation commands spot on.

The only weird thing to report is that when approaching a roundabout the voice navigation will say something like "Go straight over the roundabout".

That's not strange you might think to yourself, but it will say that for every roundabout even if you have to take the first, second or third turn-off.

Other than that - am pretty pleased with performance now. As others have mentioned. Pricing will be key to my decision though as if it is too expensive then I will simply buy a decent dedicated sat nav. If the pricing is spot on I would get the Sygic.

I don't know why the launch has been delayed and the earlier news about it already been submitted to OVI and hitting a glitch seems to be false to me because of the updates that are being issued and fixes that have been worked on.

I think that they must be just smoothing out the final noticeable bugs.

I will see if I can find out the final launch date next week.

Maybe sygic is waiting for NOKIA to get their store up properly before they release it....

[cardiff-blues]

i don't think so because they are definately working on bugs so i can only assume that they are ironing them out.

[azz]

well...glad for your continuing feedback...I am very interest in this app...I would hate to have to pull out my n82 every time I go somewhere....

[polarnicka]

Except that it doesn't look (http://sygic.com/index.php/en/how-to-buy.html) like they'll sell the N900 version with "Europe" maps, just individual countries/regions. I would need at least 3 purchases to cover the regions I need, so unless they're much cheaper than for other platforms (EUR 49.99 for UK & Ireland) it would cost a fortune :-(

Dear Ima,

I would like to introduce myself. My name is Katarina and I work s Technical Support at Sygic company.To your question: I have great news! Sygic will sell individual packages of groups of countries, but also package of whole Europe and package of all US countries.

So you don't need to buy two packages, but all in one.

For more information, please don't hesitate to contact me.

Katarina ;)

[Strive_Masiwa]

Dear Ima,
Sygic will sell individual packages of groups of countries, but also package of whole Europe and package of all US countries.

So you don't need to buy two packages, but all in one.

For more information, please don't hesitate to contact me.

Katarina ;)

"All US Countries"? I am confused :confused:

[twoboxen]

"All US Countries"? I am confused :confused:

All the ONE US country... though I think she meant all the US states. Either way, the entire US. I guess she could have meant all the American countries?

[majarambuz]

Dear Ima,

I would like to introduce myself. My name is Katarina and I work s Technical Support at Sygic company.To your question: I have great news! Sygic will sell individual packages of groups of countries, but also package of whole Europe and package of all US countries.

So you don't need to buy two packages, but all in one.

For more information, please don't hesitate to contact me.

Katarina ;)

Katarina, thanks for this! Can you give us an idea of the proces?

[stantheboss]

When the app is going to be released?
First december, then january, now february...

Its been 3 month, Im asking how long?

[radiowc]

When the app is going to be released?
First december, then january, now february...

Its been 3 month, Im asking how long?

same here....... maybe 2011

[cardiff-blues]

When the app is going to be released?
First december, then january, now february...

Its been 3 month, Im asking how long?

I have asked twice this week but have not had a reply as yet.