Adobe Flash Player 10: When will the update arrive? Is it coming at all?

[danramos]

@Attila77:
You're right. I was getting WAY ahead of myself with that rant and veering away from the topic of this thread.

[SD.]

A recent Flash vulnerability has been patched, and a new one is going to be patched within 2 weeks according to Adobe.

Yea that second one affects Android so I'm guessing it affects the Maemo verison too

But it's low risk I think because you have to save a dll to a specific location with a specific filename for something to happen.

[allnameswereout]

Even if 100% of Maemo would be open source (which I would really really like to see), it wouldn't help this problem, there is one source of plugins - Adobe. No really, enough of this 'we sent the stuff to Nokia'. ONE WEB, ANY DEVICE. That's Adobe's slogan, not Nokia's, Samsung's or whoevers. If you deal with OPEN development, you send the source to gitorious. But apart from this finger-pointing and blame-game, sadly, Adobe does not deal with people. They just don't care about people. They deal with companies, and if the Adobe style 'mah ppl vill kall yo ppl' whos-the-koolest-kid-on-the-block deal falls through, tough luck. You are at their mercy for each and every version. And if you blame the vendor, that only helps them keeping on with this business. Go and ask HTC Hero owners (another device that shipped with Flash 9) how's their full flash update (hint - it's in the same status as ours). Or how's that demonstrated Flash 10.1 for the Palm Pre (do you need a hint about the status of that one ?).

And while I'm talking about other platforms - remember that talk how Flash will be multiplatform and how Flash 10.1 will support blackberry and symbian and webos and.. ? Well, surprise, surprise, Adobe has (yet again) changed their requirements on mobile devices, now it's ONLY Android 2.2 with a Cortex A8 minimum. Everybody else got erased (yes, even MeeGo), public demonstrations on the N900 and Palm Pre be damned. I guess we'll be friends again if the Apple and/or Android thing make a turn for the worse. But enough ranting, everyone can blame whoever they feel bad about at the moment, but considering how Adobe handled Maemo, MeeGo, Linux (esp 64bit), WebOS (and the list goes on) the day when we don't need to depend on somebody's whim (=binary blobs) just to be able visit a bloody web site can't come soon enough.Yes, Adobe Flash is one of the shittiest products in existence:

1) Constantly security vulnerabilities
2) Which aren't patched quickly.
3) A resource hog; browser crasher
4) Required for something as simple as watching a video online
5) Not programmed with portability in mind; not even 64-bit

Perhaps Nokia should've joined the Apple bandwagon, and simply not support Adobe Flash on their products. Sometimes not providing something half baked is worse than providing something half-baked.

Unfortunately Nokia hasn't adopted the alternative (HTML 5 + OGG Vorbis + OGG Theora) either.

Has anyone tried Lightspark btw?

[geohsia]

Unfortunately Nokia hasn't adopted the alternative (HTML 5 + OGG Vorbis + OGG Theora) either.

I think you mean unfortunately the majority of websites in the world that uses flash for things like video and content interaction hasn't moved to an equally feature rich platform (which doesn't yet exist).

HTML 5 and new video codecs are great but it sure isn't ready yet to replace Flash no matter what Apple says and no matter how horrible people claim Flash to be. I have no doubt it'll get there though.

The nice thing about Flash ads are that they're easy to block. HTML5 based ads might be a bit more difficult. Just saying...

[fuji_man]

nothing will happen, since mameo is dead... if you wanted support... just wait till meego get finailized... rumor on the meego wiki as end of october

[slaapliedje]

No Linux 64-Bit driver for my BD-RW, no Linux 64-Bit driver for three of my NIC's. At UMass Amherst the problem of a lack of drivers was found by most of us. I say "most" because some users have a combination of devices which are all covered, and others (like me) have a combination of devices of which nearly none are covered.

Sorry to go off-topic here, but this needs to be corrected.

There are only fourproblems I have EVER seen with 64-bit Linux.

1) Flash (the topic at hand)
2) Java (fixed now since one of the updates to version 6(can't recall which)
3) Some emulators.
4) OpenOffice.org. (Old issue, long since taken care of)

Flash we don't have source code for, so it can't be fixed by anyone except Adobe.

Java was fixed as stated from around 6u16 or 6u17, they added in 64bit java web start and java plugin.

Zsnes and gens only have 32-bit versions due to some of the emulator specific code not being 64-bit friendly.

OpenOffice didn't have a 64-bit native version, though that never really prevented the 32-bit version from not working.

Your issues sound more like FUD than anything. BD-RW 'drivers' ? Unless your BD-RW uses some weird non-standard drivers, it'll work. Since SATA and CD-ROM drivers have long since been standardized, I don't know why it wouldn't work. Yes Open Source software does support burning BDs, so if it's open source, it can more than likely be compiled for 64-bit.

All of the NICs I have ever seen or dealt with have drivers either included in the current or newer kernel, some few require firmwares, but none of them that I have seen are 32-bit only, so if it works in 32 bit, it'll work with 64-bit.

If you guys are having issues with 64-bit Linux having issues detecting NICs or BD-RWs, you should probably switch distributions (use something with a newer kernel. Hell even Debian Lenny had some issues with a bit of hardware I put on it where it wouldn't detect the NIC because the e1000 driver that was included with the kernel wasn't 'new' enough. Initially I compiled the driver myself, someone else had put in a bug report and Debian released a new kernel package with the newer driver and it worked out of the box for new installs)

Lesson here is, if you have a legitimate non-working device in 64-bit, but it works in 32-bit, submit a bug report. Driver wise, I have not seen any devices out there that are not supported under both. For that matter, I bet most of those same devices have working drivers under ARM, M68K, SPARC, etc.

The major exception of working drivers are probably NICs, though even broadcom supplies enough source code to be working under 64-bit, and they're the worse offenders.

slaapliedje

P.S. To go back on topic, give us Flash, you bastards!

[slaapliedje]

I think you mean unfortunately the majority of websites in the world that uses flash for things like video and content interaction hasn't moved to an equally feature rich platform (which doesn't yet exist).

HTML 5 and new video codecs are great but it sure isn't ready yet to replace Flash no matter what Apple says and no matter how horrible people claim Flash to be. I have no doubt it'll get there though.

The nice thing about Flash ads are that they're easy to block. HTML5 based ads might be a bit more difficult. Just saying...

I agree 100% here. HTML 5 and all it's glory can be touted up as the best thing since Vagina was invented, but it simply isn't 'there' yet. The spec could be completed and everyone happy, but the browsers would still need to support it properly. Not to mention there are still things that Flash will probably still do better. Also even once the spec is completed and the browsers fully support it (well except IE, which we know will never support ALL the 'standards') the content providers would need to start switching over their content.

Who is to say there is any money / advantage in that?

So let's just face it, Flash is here for a very long time. Well, unless the world ends in 2012. Yay, end of the world!

slaapliedje

[ndi]

The nice thing about Flash ads are that they're easy to block. HTML5 based ads might be a bit more difficult. Just saying...

I disagree. Once in HTML5, the tags themselves could be ignored, folded, etc. Much like text banners can be collapsed via the AdBlock Plus Element Hiding Helper.

A good enough browser would have an option to not begin download of the movie until the are has been clicked, a la FlashBlock.

I see no reason to make blocking harder. If anything, it will be easier, as it will no longer be a flash object, but a video stream, much finer control, less of a vulnerability.

Speaking of vulnerabilities, any browser not allowing screening of images and videos is going to be exploited like in 1996. Blocking will be pretty much mandatory.

And if all else fails, network filters will work just fine.

[Diavoli]

http://techie-buzz.com/mobile-news/nokia-e7-and-nokia-n8-run-flash-10-1.html

I don't know if anyone posted this but....damn I thought N900 would be the first Nokia to have Flash 10.1 AHHHH THE HYPE.

[monkeyman]

Maemo is dead in part because we've allowed it to die. If N900 owners flooded Nokia with emails and phone calls about Flash 10.1 (we can't call or email Adobe directly without having to pay $39), each with exactly the same message we could convince them to do it. Microsoft was going to drop support for XP but after being flooded with calls and emails have continued support twice now. Nokia responded to being flooded with complaints about a lack of support for the 770 (the following cut and pasted directly from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo September 15, 2010, 8:12PM):
"OS2007 ran only on the N800 and Nokia initially had no plans to release it for the 770; however feedback from disgruntled 770 owners[58] led Nokia to release an unsupported hybrid of OS2006 and OS2007, dubbed Internet Tablet OS 2007 Hacker Edition, in February 2007.[59] OS2007HE combined the binary parts of OS2006 with most of the updated libraries and user-space applications of OS2007."

Nokia would bend to pressure if only we were willing to put in the effort. If all N900 users (or as many as is possible by the use of this website) sent an email about the clear need for a version of Flash 10.1 (make sure to include your IMEI in the message to validate your position) they just might get to it. Both sending an email and flooding them with phone calls would very likely get the job done. We CAN have Flash 10.1 for our N900's, we just need to put a fire under Nokia's butt.
A second tactic (one not to use unless Nokia still fails to respond) would be to post the fact that Nokia has abandoned a $500 flagship device which (for many of us) is still under warranty. Nokia would try and protect their image rather than risk losing future sales.

The change to MeeGo cannot be used as an excuse by Nokia because they are still producing N900's and like most of their flagship devices the Meego device will be months away from the release date they initially put forward (how late was the N900?).Nokia would bend to pressure if only we were willing to put in the effort.

[allnameswereout]

The nice thing about Flash ads are that they're easy to block. HTML5 based ads might be a bit more difficult. Just saying...Not really. Simply do not autoplay videos, just like Flashblock allows you to not autoplay Flash. I already had a MPlayer plugin for Mozilla Seamonkey back in the days, and its same story with it.

Unfortunately, there was no consensus on which video and audio codec HTML 5 should support which is rather sad. Apple preferred H.264, Mozilla preferred OGG Theora and OGG Vorbis, and Nokia... well from what I remember they said their previous mantra that OGG is patent encumbered. :(

[geohsia]

Not really. Simply do not autoplay videos, just like Flashblock allows you to not autoplay Flash. I already had a MPlayer plugin for Mozilla Seamonkey back in the days, and its same story with it.

Unfortunately, there was no consensus on which video and audio codec HTML 5 should support which is rather sad. Apple preferred H.264, Mozilla preferred OGG Theora and OGG Vorbis, and Nokia... well from what I remember they said their previous mantra that OGG is patent encumbered. :(

Good to know regarding being able to block HTML5 ads.

I thought H.264 was encumbered as well, which was the big push for OGG, Vorbis and etc?

[shadowjk]

Well, everything is patented.

Just look at the supposedly patent free vp8, it took ffmpeg devs only 1000 lines of code to implement a decoder for it, because they could reuse many algorithms from the 100,000 lines of h264 code... fishy eh?

As for Flash lite.. I don't remember flash lite ever playing anything at all, though maybe that's changed...

[gerbick]

E...but considering how Adobe handled Maemo, MeeGo, Linux (esp 64bit), WebOS ...

That bolded part about 64-bit Linux is no longer true (http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html). Installs 10,2,161,22, whereas Flash Player 10.1 is 10,1,82,76 (or slightly higher, I'm running a debugger Flash Player).

[Rushmore]

Yes, Adobe Flash is one of the shittiest products in existence:

1) Constantly security vulnerabilities
2) Which aren't patched quickly.
3) A resource hog; browser crasher
4) Required for something as simple as watching a video online
5) Not programmed with portability in mind; not even 64-bit

Perhaps Nokia should've joined the Apple bandwagon, and simply not support Adobe Flash on their products. Sometimes not providing something half baked is worse than providing something half-baked.

Unfortunately Nokia hasn't adopted the alternative (HTML 5 + OGG Vorbis + OGG Theora) either.

Has anyone tried Lightspark btw?

I disagree in regards to Flash 10.1 mobile. Plays all sites fine with no lag and games play smooth too. As far as being vulnerable, any app that accesses your hardware in any manner can be a risk and exploited in some way.

Do you actually have Flash 10.1? Rocks on Android 2.2 and far better than I expected. If you go by the version on the N900, I would agree with your points on resources and also performance.

Flash 9 on N900 and Flash 10.1 on Incredible or Droid 2 is like night and day. Heck, Flash Lite 4 on the Incredible with 2.1 OS blew Flash 9 on the N900 away.

added:

BTW, people stating similar media content on html5 is more efficient than Flash 10.1 final are probably people that have html5 as a vested interest to state such. They are both similar in their resource utilization, but Steve Hand Jobs is pushing html5 for less than "honest" reasons.

[tzsm98]

So I can put the planet tracking software used by NASA on my any device because I own the device and it would please me and NASA has to provide the software to me because that would please me?

Wow, they ported that ARM? Sign me up!:rolleyes:

[allnameswereout]

I disagree in regards to Flash 10.1 mobile. Plays all sites fine with no lag and games play smooth too. As far as being vulnerable, any app that accesses your hardware in any manner can be a risk and exploited in some way.Yeah, sure, yet the Linux kernel doesn't have as many vulnerabilities as Adobe Flash. And the Linux kernel accesses my hardware a lot more than Adobe Flash.

Do you actually have Flash 10.1? Rocks on Android 2.2 and far better than I expected. If you go by the version on the N900, I would agree with your points on resources and also performance.

Flash 9 on N900 and Flash 10.1 on Incredible or Droid 2 is like night and day. Heck, Flash Lite 4 on the Incredible with 2.1 OS blew Flash 9 on the N900 away.

added:

BTW, people stating similar media content on html5 is more efficient than Flash 10.1 final are probably people that have html5 as a vested interest to state such. They are both similar in their resource utilization, but Steve Hand Jobs is pushing html5 for less than "honest" reasons.Thats interesting. I haven't ordered a device with Android 2.2 yet. Can I get Flash 10.1 working on Nitdroid 0.0.8?

[attila77]

BTW, people stating similar media content on html5 is more efficient than Flash 10.1 final are probably people that have html5 as a vested interest to state such. They are both similar in their resource utilization, but Steve Hand Jobs is pushing html5 for less than "honest" reasons.

My vested interest is wanting to get rid of unsupported binary blobs that are, due to historical reasons, necessary to view common web content. Efficiency is the least of my concerns - considering past experiences I would rather have a jittery video than a buttery smooth "UPGRADE TO THE NEWEST VERSION OF FLASH".

[Laughing Man]

Thats interesting. I haven't ordered a device with Android 2.2 yet. Can I get Flash 10.1 working on Nitdroid 0.0.8?

Yes.

/10chars

[Rushmore]

BTW, people stating similar media content on html5 is more efficient than Flash 10.1 final are probably people that have html5 as a vested interest to state such. They are both similar in their resource utilization, but Steve Hand Jobs is pushing html5 for less than "honest" reasons.

My vested interest is wanting to get rid of unsupported binary blobs that are, due to historical reasons, necessary to view common web content. Efficiency is the least of my concerns - considering past experiences I would rather have a jittery video than a buttery smooth "UPGRADE TO THE NEWEST VERSION OF FLASH".

Good point about blob/module dependency.

[allnameswereout]

What pisses me off is that we don't even get security updates to software.

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I'm going to contact my lawyer about this btw.I contacted a lawyer. He found it an interesting case, and is looking into it according to Dutch and EU jurisdiction. He may blog about the question in general (not specific case).

[jalyst]

They called Maemo 2.0 OS2006.

There is no Maemo 6.0

Nokia is working on an internal Maemo which will form the basis of the first Meego release for N9.
So I'm not sure how people can characterise Maemo as dead.....

The 1st major release of Meego on Nokia phones will basically be an improved Maemo w/a compatibility layer for Meego.
Devices after the N9 will be based entirely on Meego-Core-xx (Vanilla Meego)...

[geohsia]

Nokia is working on an internal Maemo which will form the basis of the first Meego release for N9.
So I'm not sure how people can characterise Maemo as dead.....

Well, we knew already about Harmattan-MeeGo. If you want to call that PR 2.0 / Maemo 6 you can, but at the end of the day for the N900 users its still useless because community-Harmattan-MeeGo for the N900 will be stripped down so no phone, no Skype, no Flash. Could it be retrofitted? Maybe, but I guess it all depends on who sticks around until then. If Nokia decides to spend the effort to get PR 2.0 on the N900 I'd be ecstatic. Not holding my breath though. They've made no indication that that will happen.

[sjgadsby]

Well, we knew already about Harmattan-MeeGo. If you want to call that PR 2.0 / Maemo 6 you can, but at the end of the day for the N900 users its still useless because community-Harmattan-MeeGo for the N900 will be stripped down so no phone, no Skype, no Flash.

MeeGo (not -Harmattan) is the "stripped down" one, but even so, the Handset UX does still include a phone application, a SMS application, and all those basics. It does not include an Adobe Flash plug-in or Skype as they aren't open souce, but if Adobe or Skype make MeeGo ARMEL installers available, their software will run.

[geohsia]

MeeGo (not -Harmattan) is the "stripped down" one, but even so, the Handset UX does still include a phone application, a SMS application, and all those basics. It does not include an Adobe Flash plug-in or Skype as they aren't open souce, but if Adobe or Skype make MeeGo ARMEL installers available, their software will run.

Are referring to the community edition which we supposedly will be able to run on the N900? I thought the Handset UX was closed source. If not, that's great but I'm still not going to believe it until I see it. Everything that I've heard so far indicates that the community edition of MeeGo on the N900 will not be usable for regular users.

[Reffyyyy]

Are referring to the community edition which we supposedly will be able to run on the N900? I thought the Handset UX was closed source. If not, that's great but I'm still not going to believe it until I see it. Everything that I've heard so far indicates that the community edition of MeeGo on the N900 will not be usable for regular users.

Calls in NITDroid are working (the actual sound in the call is being worked on) and I believe a member on the MeeGo forum (he is also a member here) made calls on MeeGo for N900.

[wmarone]

Are referring to the community edition which we supposedly will be able to run on the N900?
He's referring to the MeeGo N900 reference implementation.

I thought the Handset UX was closed source.
There is nothing closed source about MeeGo. What few closed bits there are lie outside MeeGo as hardware support and are readily available to anyone that owns an N900.

Everything that I've heard so far indicates that the reference implementation of MeeGo on the N900 will not be usable for regular users.
This could, of course, be improved to the point that it would be usable by most people. Unlike Maemo there are no closed bits central to the OS and reference UIs that preclude community contributions.

Calls in NITDroid are working (the actual sound in the call is being worked on) and I believe a member on the MeeGo forum (he is also a member here) made calls on MeeGo for N900.
Stskeeps did post about having made a complete phone call using MeeGo on the N900, which is a great step.

[flailingmonkey]

It was made clear that the Harmattan "Hackers Edition"/community edition would have the closed bits working and included. Meaning Skype, Flash 10.1, Maps, etc etc, all working. With all the tmo FUD threads, it isn't hard to miss this, so I won't blame you all =P

Still, that won't be available until the Harmattan SDK beta releases, so MeeGo handset reference UX should get our focus.

[geohsia]

It was made clear that the Harmattan "Hackers Edition"/community edition would have the closed bits working and included. Meaning Skype, Flash 10.1, Maps, etc etc, all working. With all the tmo FUD threads, it isn't hard to miss this, so I won't blame you all =P

Still, that won't be available until the Harmattan SDK beta releases, so MeeGo handset reference UX should get our focus.

So there is hope that we'll get Flash 10.1 on the N900? :-)

[wmarone]

So there is hope that we'll get Flash 10.1 on the N900? :-)

Maybe "unofficially," but considering how Adobe behaves towards mobile devices I wouldn't count on it.

[geohsia]

Maybe "unofficially," but considering how Adobe behaves towards mobile devices I wouldn't count on it.

Well that didn't last long.

[Laughing Man]

Well, we knew already about Harmattan-MeeGo. If you want to call that PR 2.0 / Maemo 6 you can, but at the end of the day for the N900 users its still useless because community-Harmattan-MeeGo for the N900 will be stripped down so no phone, no Skype, no Flash. Could it be retrofitted? Maybe, but I guess it all depends on who sticks around until then. If Nokia decides to spend the effort to get PR 2.0 on the N900 I'd be ecstatic. Not holding my breath though. They've made no indication that that will happen.

It's vanilla Meego that's stripped down (IE no proprietery software but it already has working phone support). Not Harmattan-Meego (which the N900 isn't getting anyway). What will happen is the community will be responsible for any backporting of parts in Harmattan-Meego to Vanilla Meego. Like Flash, Skype, etc..

Calls in NITDroid are working (the actual sound in the call is being worked on) and I believe a member on the MeeGo forum (he is also a member here) made calls on MeeGo for N900.

I think they work but the microphone and handset speaker don't work.

It was made clear that the Harmattan "Hackers Edition"/community edition would have the closed bits working and included. Meaning Skype, Flash 10.1, Maps, etc etc, all working. With all the tmo FUD threads, it isn't hard to miss this, so I won't blame you all =P

Still, that won't be available until the Harmattan SDK beta releases, so MeeGo handset reference UX should get our focus.

I wouldn't make that a statement of fact. It's dependent on the community to backport the closed bits. So it's up to whatever's left of the developmental community, and from what I've seen we've already lost a few good ones.

[jalyst]

It's vanilla Meego that's stripped down (IE no proprietery software but it already has working phone support). Not Harmattan-Meego (which the N900 isn't getting anyway). What will happen is the community will be responsible for any backporting of parts in Harmattan-Meego to Vanilla Meego. Like Flash, Skype, etc..

Aw crap that blows....
I thought there'd be some version of harmatten-meego available to n900 owners.

So it depends entirely on the resources of vanilla meego & whether there's the desire/impetus to back-port the closed bits of harmatten to it?
I'm guessing that's quite a long-shot?! :(

I wouldn't make that a statement of fact. It's dependent on the community to backport the closed bits. So it's up to whatever's left of the developmental community, and from what I've seen we've already lost a few good ones.

Sigh, oh well, guess I'll have to jump ship to N9.
Not an entirely bad thing :D

[sjgadsby]

I thought there'd be some version of harmatten-meego available to n900 owners.

There will be. It simply will not be officially supported by Nokia. So, no calling Nokia Care if it breaks.

[ndi]

Who here has ever called Nokia Care for a piece of software that broke?

[sygys]

@jalyst, its not all a bad thing indeed. the only problem is people like you that keep buying new phones evertime nokia says we are not gonna support it on this one but will on the next phone. Will give nokia the feeling they can **** on us and never have to support anything.

Nokia: "Oh well people will buy the next phone we dont have to support it on this one.."

Its time nokia IS going to support some stuff on the n900, not always put it on the next phone. Allot of people on my n900 forum including me are fed up with nokia's attitude. most of them allready bought other brands.

[jalyst]

Sorry for delayed response, I'm on a weekly subscribe to this thread.

There will be. It simply will not be officially supported by Nokia. So, no calling Nokia Care if it breaks.

I realise that, but then my next sentence/Qn was:
So it depends entirely on the resources of vanilla meego & whether there's the desire/impetus to back-port the closed bits of harmatten to it?
I'm guessing that's quite a long-shot?! :(

I mean what are the chances of a solid non-official community around it.
I'm guessing quite slim... :(

[jaimex2]

Whats a really big slap in the face is the iCrap community ported flash from Android apparently. http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/07/how-to-install-flash-on-your-jailbroken-ipad-for-real/

Love how its a .deb file too...

[cfh11]

http://focus.ti.com/docs/toolsw/folders/print/adobeflash-a8.html

Just stumbled across this.... I see that beagleboard is mentioned but not OMAP3430 hmmmmm....

[twaelti]

http://focus.ti.com/docs/toolsw/folders/print/adobeflash-a8.html

Just stumbled across this.... I see that beagleboard is mentioned but not OMAP3430 hmmmmm....

now this looks really interesting. anybody tried to order this?

[samipower]

i ordered but i am waiting now a email with this plugin

[Stskeeps]

I ordered it and this is from Fennec-qt under MeeGo 1.1, Nokia N900:

http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/meego-arm/flash10.1-meego-n900.png

I have no idea if it truely works because we have browser problems in MeeGo but 'ldd' checks out and it shows up in about:plugins..

So I'd say 'hopeful'.

It's -not- GPU accelerated, I could tell by the ldd.

[Stskeeps]

And I think a large bunch of you owes me a beer now for showing this working ;)

http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/meego-arm/flashplayer-10-meego-n900-working.png

[arora.rohan]

^ Awesome!

[Dave999]

looks fishy. But intressting! :)

[adhrie]

i'm assuming it will also works on maemo?

will wait for a noob-friendly solution for flash 10.1 on n900

[wmarone]

And now for something that will turn your pretty eyes white and have you foaming at the mouth:
Are you trying to start a riot? :D

[ste-phan]

Are you trying to start a riot? :D
Good catch StsKeeps :)

Upload the plugin already please, :p I am foaming a the US government export form on TI download site :rolleyes:

[xuggs]

And now for something that will turn your pretty eyes white and have you foaming at the mouth:

http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/maemo/Screenshot-20101007-192934.png

http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/maemo/Screenshot-20101007-193107.png

And for the foaming part: This was done by moving out the old libflashplayer.so in /usr/lib/browser/plugins and dropping in the new one..

No plugins in Maemo Fennec/Firefox, so no dice there, but good old MicroB..

And you would also be kind enough to share the new libflashplayer.so so we can replace? pretty pleeewwzee!

Edit: Would this actually work or is it like a flash tweaker?

[Hmoobwarrior]

what does this mean? lol sorry... help me catch up.. does it mean we can install it on maemo?

[longcat]

wtf...?

more info?

[wmarone]

I imagine that any posting of links here will result in similar flyswatting that occurred with the PR1.2 leak. Redistribution of the flash binaries is definitely a copyright violation so I suggest NOT asking, and NOT answering requests to repost them (and definitely not linking them here.)

[m0da]

BE A MAN

DO THE RIGHT THING

can you upload a random file from your computer? Name it whatever you want. You know what I'll rename it to, and where I will put it.

[sophocha]

interesting!

[jflatt]

BE A MAN

DO THE RIGHT THING

can you upload a random file from your computer? Name it whatever you want. You know what I'll rename it to, and where I will put it.
A man? Trying to insult someone's manhood to do something for you is not the right way to go about it.
And the right thing is to not redistribute copyrighted material.
I'll upload a random file. It's named F.you. You know where to put it.

[longcat]

be a man

do the right thing

can you upload a random file from your computer? Name it whatever you want. You know what i'll rename it to, and where i will put it.

lol!!! :d

[Dave999]

please be quiet...

It will come out when its ready. It always does!

[m0da]

A man? Trying to insult someone's manhood to do something for you is not the right way to go about it.
And the right thing is to not redistribute copyrighted material.
I'll upload a random file. It's named F.you. You know where to put it.

Hey, take 3 minutes and watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qtrAMK7_Qk

you'll laugh and see where that statement came from... Trust me.

You know we're all in this community together, no point insulting each other ;)

[Bratag]

Hey, take 3 minutes and watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qtrAMK7_Qk

you'll laugh and see where that statement came from... Trust me.

You know we're all in this community together, no point insulting each other ;)

I agree with the insulting stuff - but really - I don't think he should have been expected to know about a random comic on youtube in order to understand your comment

[Stskeeps]

Are you trying to start a riot? :D

Speaking of riots, am getting a lot of private messages about this thing. Please don't send me messages about this thing.

0. This plugin is really really not for end users. See bottom of page if you want an end-user solution.

1. No, I won't share it. It's against the license I got it under from TI (see cfh11's post above) and I evaluated if this worked on Maemo and MeeGo N900 and well, it did and decently.

2. Please answer truthfully to the TI.com questions and you might or might not get approved. If you start flooding them with garbage, offers like this might not happen again and you'd have ruined it for everyone else.

3. Read CAREFULLY the EULA if you do get access as the exact same terms could be brought against you in court if you distribute the flash player to others.

4. The flash player code might actually be marked with something uniquely identifying you.

5. And no, this code isn't from Maemo, MeeGo or Nokia. The way I got it was described in cfh11's post above.

6. It is to my best belief the real thing. Not a Flash 9 modified with another version number.

7. If you link to a place where the plugin is downloadable or distribute it here or upload it is copyright infringement and could most likely get you and any downloaders banned from this forum.


If you want things to change, petition Adobe, as customers to equal mobile Linux computers like N900 to laptops and netbooks on X86 and provide click-to-download versions for MeeGo ARM in the future like on X86. That's real change.

Or go through Nokia Care etc about the lack of Flash 10.1 on N900 like end-users should.

[m0da]

Possibly... however, it's not a "random" video. With over 3.8 million views, it is quite popular. Maybe I was being too hopeful.

In any case, if it's perfectly legal to place that file under maemo (as he just did in his pictures), then it must be legal for us to do the same in the future! Rejoice TMO!

[wmarone]

In any case, if it's perfectly legal to place that file under maemo (as he just did in his pictures), then it must be legal for us to do the same in the future! Rejoice TMO!
He could, as he was given the file under license via TI as a demo. Hundreds of requests flooding in for it that are easily traced back to a thread like this will probably only result in them taking the request form down.

[Matan]

7. If you link to a place where the plugin is downloadable or distribute it here or upload it is copyright infringement and will most likely get you and any downloaders banned from this forum.


Really?

So now downloading something that some random Nokia employee does not like is a reason to ban someone from this forum? It seems like Nokia forgot to include this in the ridiculous forum rules a few months ago.

[wmarone]

Really?

So now downloading something that some random Nokia employee does not like is a reason to ban someone from this forum?
Hey, let's just go misconstruing things people say and taking everything absolutely literally. It'll really help people understand things.

You know that no one can confirm if anyone downloaded something via a link on this board.

It seems like Nokia forgot to include this in the ridiculous forum rules a few months ago.
Last I checked those rules weren't written by Nokia and were made out of some semblance to check the relentless and violent trolling that have damaged this forum.

Anyway, do you have a useful point to make or were you just attacking something Stskeeps said that has no impact on the greater topic at hand?

[Stskeeps]

Really?

So now downloading something that some random Nokia employee does not like is a reason to ban someone from this forum? It seems like Nokia forgot to include this in the ridiculous forum rules a few months ago.

Uhm, I'm not a Nokia employee but thanks for thinking I was.. And I'm no moderator either, but:

From http://talk.maemo.org/faq.php?faq=vb3_board_faq#faq_tmorulestext :


Infraction points will be given for misbehavior in public forum communications as well as for attacking other members in any other way within maemo.org, if it is reported. The following are the assigned infraction points for specific violations:

Illegal Activity/Content - 20


How this is enforced in practice is up to moderators. But I think it's pretty damn clear that when you're uploading something you don't have a license to do so, you're conducting an illegal act. Or downloading it and using something without a license.

[gerbick]

Proof that it works is good enough for me. Not surprised, but now it just begs to be answered... who do we ask for it to be released, even in an unsupported version.

[w00t]

Really?

So now downloading something that some random Nokia employee does not like is a reason to ban someone from this forum? It seems like Nokia forgot to include this in the ridiculous forum rules a few months ago.

0) Stskeeps is not a Nokia employee (even if he does subcontract.)
1) Nokia didn't set the new forum rules, they were set in discussion with the community here, as far as I recall.
2) Nokia no longer run maemo.org.
3) Stskeeps isn't a moderator here, meaning he couldn't ban people, he was merely adding a disclaimer, not too far off the lines of "it isn't my fault if this makes your device explode and insert pieces of metal into your brain".

I don't see what is wrong with a disclaimer, even if they may not be right on the money. It makes people consider their actions, and think twice. They're still completely free to disregard them, if they want.

Now, end of thread hijack.

[Bratag]

Speaking of riots, am getting a lot of private messages about this thing. Please don't send me messages about this thing.

1. No, I won't share it. It's against the license I got it under from TI (see cfh11's post above) and I evaluated if this worked on Maemo and MeeGo N900 and well, it did and decently.

2. Please answer truthfully to the TI.com questions and you might or might not get approved. If you start flooding them with garbage, offers like this might not happen again and you'd have ruined it for everyone else.

3. Read CAREFULLY the EULA if you do get access as the exact same terms could be brought against you in court if you distribute the flash player to others.

4. The flash player code might actually be marked with something uniquely identifying you.

5. And no, this code isn't from Maemo, MeeGo or Nokia. The way I got it was described in cfh11's post above.

6. It is to my best belief the real thing. Not a Flash 9 modified with another version number.

7. If you link to a place where the plugin is downloadable or distribute it here or upload it is copyright infringement and could most likely get you and any downloaders banned from this forum.

If you want things to change, petition Adobe, as customers to equal mobile Linux computers like N900 to laptops and netbooks on X86 and provide click-to-download versions for MeeGo ARM in the future like on X86. That's real change.

So essentially we are in the same place we were before you got this particular item. Waiting on either Nokia or Adobe to provide us with the lib. I think we have seen where that kind of thing gets us.

All this has done is proven that flash 10 is possible on the N900, but for some reason we are not deemed worthy of it.

[Stskeeps]

Proof that it works is good enough for me. Not surprised, but now it just begs to be answered... who do we ask for it to be released, even in an unsupported version.

Fun thing actually, I was reading up on Flash licensing the other day even for X86 - it seems like if you even run it on anything other than non-standard Windows (no idea about Linux licensing), in any kind of mobile or embedded setting your normal license won't work (click to download one)..

IE, there's big licensing costs to even put it on something resembling a mobile device.

I don't know who to ask but I do hope that having a stable point of reference to build for like MeeGo on ARM and Android or even Ubuntu on ARM will make Adobe provide click-to-download for these for personal usage..

But given there's $$$ in mobile devices and embedded devices licenses for Adobe...

[gerbick]

All this has done is proven that flash 10 is possible on the N900, but for some reason we are not deemed worthy of it.

Yep. Sucks. And worse... I don't know who to really even be mad at. Adobe did the work, they showed the beta, didn't release it to the public. Nokia didn't make the announcements, but it does exist, haven't given it to us... yet it works.

Whole lot of wrong in that above paragraph.

[Anarae]

So in other words: Stskeeps likes a little attention and likes to tease the silly people who still believe Nokia gives a **** about N900 users and will some day update the flash.

Yes, it works, great!

No, of course YOU cant have it, mortals.

[stlpaul]

And now for something that will turn your pretty eyes white and have you foaming at the mouth:

How does performance compare to the official Flash plug-in that came in n900? If it is same or better, then we'll really be foaming :)

[Stskeeps]

So essentially we are in the same place we were before you got this particular item. Waiting on either Nokia or Adobe to provide us with the lib. I think we have seen where that kind of thing gets us.

Actually, we're in a better position since there -is- a way to get it if you convince some anonymous bureaucrat you're suitable for evaluation after signing up.

[egoshin]

How does performance compare to the official Flash plug-in that came in n900? If it is same or better, then we'll really be foaming :)

Much more interesting - what is the battery usage?
There are suspicions that it could be big problem here...

[Bratag]

Actually, we're in a better position since there -is- a way to get it if you convince some anonymous bureaucrat you're suitable for evaluation after signing up.

Which is just great excepting a couple of things

a) What if the bureaucrat doesnt approve you
b) Its still not an official release
c) I would imagine that if we are living to the letter of the law (and it seems we are) putting it on the N900 also violates your agreement.
d) We shouldn't be the ones coming up with a maybe/sorta solution for an issue that is obviously well within Nokias ability to sort the fark out.

[gerbick]

So in other words: Stskeeps likes a little attention and likes to tease the silly people who still believe Nokia gives a **** about N900 users and will some day update the flash.

Yes, it works, great!

No, of course YOU cant have it, mortals.

Where the hell did this come from?

No. He confirmed that it works, the work has been done, but it's not in our hands. Nothing about liking attention, nothing about him keeping it out of our hands.

He told you... licensing on a closed source bit is the prohibitive reason behind him not sharing it openly. If it were ... say Modest, he could post it all day.

But it's Flash. You will want to blame the right people. He's not the one to blame.

[longcat]

But it's Flash. You will want to blame the right people. He's not the one to blame.

I agree with this, you can all request it from TI by yourself, no one stops you...

[NvyUs]

woohoo i got my request accepted, will try it later once my n900 comes back from the shop.

[Stskeeps]

woohoo i got my request accepted, will try it later once my n900 comes back from the shop.

While I remember - you might need to disable/reenable plugin or restart the N900 as browserd stays up after replacing.

[Laughing Man]

I ordered it and this is from Fennec-qt under MeeGo 1.1, Nokia N900:

http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/meego-arm/flash10.1-meego-n900.png

I have no idea if it truely works because we have browser problems in MeeGo but 'ldd' checks out and it shows up in about:plugins..

So I'd say 'hopeful'.

It's -not- GPU accelerated, I could tell by the ldd.

Is the not GPU accelerated more because it's in Meego or because it's not GPU accelerated? If it's the actual plugin then what's the point (besides that some unique Flash 10 functions will work). Otherwise you might as well use Flash version tweakr.

[longcat]

@stskeeps : how old is this ti's port ?

[Stskeeps]

Is the not GPU accelerated more because it's in Meego or because it's not GPU accelerated?

Because it's not GPU accelerated (didn't see any links to GLESv2 nor gstreamer..)

[travik]

Is the not GPU accelerated more because it's in Meego or because it's not GPU accelerated? If it's the actual plugin then what's the point (besides that some unique Flash 10 functions will work). Otherwise you might as well use Flash version tweakr.

I had the same question. Isn't GPU acceleration the whole point of Flash 10? What are the other benefits?

[cfh11]

oh man... look what i started haha :D

[gerbick]

@stskeeps : how old is this ti's port ?

That version is on par with what's out for Android right now, IIRC.

[giannoug]

I also filled the form (not all were true :p*) and got a call from TI, at 5am local time.

*I wrote I'm going to test it on the Beagleboard (various OSes) and the N900 :D

[maxximuscool]

I also filled the form (not all were true :p*) and got a call from TI, at 5am local time.

*I wrote I'm going to test it on the Beagleboard (various OSes) and the N900 :D

Ahh I filled my work details and my work phone. Not sure if they are going to call me lol. As the time frame is different. By the time they calling me, I'll probably be home already.

[maxximuscool]

Is the not GPU accelerated more because it's in Meego or because it's not GPU accelerated? If it's the actual plugin then what's the point (besides that some unique Flash 10 functions will work). Otherwise you might as well use Flash version tweakr.

FlashPlayer 9 also not GPU accelerated. :(
So having flash10.1 without GPU Acceleration wouldn't be a bad idea. Atleast we still able to watch flash10.1 contents.

[NvyUs]

they will get suspicious soon b/c of the influx of visits for requests so if your going to try get it I'd hurry before the change something to make the process harder for you guys

[flailingmonkey]

If anyone is still wondering why Flash 10.1 isn't already available, and don't want to be bothered to read the rest of this thread, listen up:

Someone has to pay for it. A big license fee to Adobe. Any time you want to have Flash on anything that even smells like a mobile device, Adobe will be cashing in.

My guess is that Adobe is trying to double dip. Nokia paid for a license for v9 on the N900, but Adobe demanded another license for v10.1. The lovely nature of the commercial software business.

Whether Adobe will have a free license for MeeGo ARM Handset (from meego.com) is an important consideration.

[longcat]

If anyone is still wondering why Flash 10.1 isn't already available, and don't want to be bothered to read the rest of this thread, listen up:

Someone has to pay for it. A big license fee to Adobe. Any time you want to have Flash on anything that even smells like a mobile device, Adobe will be cashing in.

My guess is that Adobe is trying to double dip. Nokia paid for a license for v9 on the N900, but Adobe demanded another license for v10.1. The lovely nature of the commercial software business.

Whether Adobe will have a free license for MeeGo ARM Handset (from meego.com) is an important consideration.

Speculation? Conspiracy? Capitalism?

unrelated, off-topic, meh... (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/10/07/microsoft_adobe_talks/)

[shadowjk]

I think GPU acceleration was dropped from pretty much everything except windows and perhaps some specific android devices.

[cocayden]

I just tried and found that it works and is very simple to do.

Firefox mobile lists /usr/lib/browser/plugins/libflashplayer.so as the location of its flash player, but also has a copy located in /home/user/.mozilla/plugins. The current build of firefox mobile(4.0b1) has plugins disabled so I cannot test these changes.

Simple Install Guide:
1. Obtain file from TI
2. On a linux pc run the file(you will need to enable exec rights on the file)
3. Follow the installer and then go to the path specified in the installer and grab the libflashplayer.so
4. Copy libflashplayer.so to somewhere on your n900(via ssh or via mass storage mode)
5. sudo gainroot
mv /usr/lib/browser/plugins/libflashplayer.so /usr/lib/browser/plugins/libflashplayer.so.bak
if copied to mass storage: cd /home/user/MyDocs/
cp libflashplayer.so /usr/lib/browser/plugins/libflashplayer.so
6. start the browser and it should all work

[samipower]

cocayden have a private message

[fms]

I think GPU acceleration was dropped from pretty much everything except windows and perhaps some specific android devices.
If I ask "why", will it be a rhetorical question? =)

[shadowjk]

It was probably too much effort

[samipower]

i asked this plug-in the last week in web page and nothing . adobe dont send me the plug-in , i dont know because the people dont upload the plug-in if adobe never can know who person upload this plug-in

[lemon_grass]

i asked this plug-in the last week in web page and nothing . adobe dont send me the plug-in , i dont know because the people dont upload the plug-in if adobe never can know who person upload this plug-in

please rephrase the question/nonsense.

[Reffyyyy]

Essentially, he's complaining that he hasn't received the plugin when he registered and is attempting to entice people that did to upload it.

[lemon_grass]

Maybe they won't give it to him because of his location ?

[Matan]

If anyone is still wondering why Flash 10.1 isn't already available, and don't want to be bothered to read the rest of this thread, listen up:

Someone has to pay for it. A big license fee to Adobe. Any time you want to have Flash on anything that even smells like a mobile device, Adobe will be cashing in.

My guess is that Adobe is trying to double dip. Nokia paid for a license for v9 on the N900, but Adobe demanded another license for v10.1. The lovely nature of the commercial software business.

Whether Adobe will have a free license for MeeGo ARM Handset (from meego.com) is an important consideration.

So what you are saying is that Nokia was so stupid when they made the deal with Adobe to not think about an upgrade at all, even though Flash 10 was "all the rage" much before the N900 shipped, and the Flash support was one of the main selling points of the N900. And now when they are faced with their stupidity they decide they don't want to spend the very little money it takes to fix their mistake, and N900 users can go to hell, as far as they are concerned?

Yes, that sounds exactly like Nokia.

[DrWilken]

And now when they are faced with their stupidity they decide they don't want to spend the very little money it takes to fix their mistake...

I don't think that the total cost of the license fits under the category "very little money"... ;)

[ste-phan]

So what you are saying is that Nokia was so stupid when they made the deal with Adobe to not think about an upgrade at all, even though Flash 10 was "all the rage" much before the N900 shipped, and the Flash support was one of the main selling points of the N900. And now when they are faced with their stupidity they decide they don't want to spend the very little money it takes to fix their mistake, and N900 users can go to hell, as far as they are concerned?

Yes, that sounds exactly like Nokia.


Speculating they won't fork out the money for 10.1 in MeeGo as well?

I don't know about the per platform license rules but it would seem even more odd that Meego wouldn't come with 10.1 and that Maemo would not benefit form the same license

Once Meego handsets are about to be publicly released they will have to pay the license and we may see the upgrade for Maemo 5 at the same time.

[Matan]

I don't think that the total cost of the license fits under the category "very little money"... ;)

Are you joking? Nokia plan to sell millions of devices (step 5) which will surely have Flash 10.1. Adding the 273 (or whatever number) N900s sold won't change anything in the significant digits of such a deal.

[gabby131]

hmmmm.......i am willing to give TI my information but......i dont think i can deal with such just to get a flash 10.1

[samipower]

i am sorry . i write very fast

Adobe the company never sent me the file to my email, and I see people who have it, does not share the adobe file and may never know who uploaded the file if you do so anonymously in an open wifi network with a mobile by megaupload for commenting on an example.

if the file was made for an IMEI number, I would understand, but it is not, the file is open

people do not share, and I am registered with different data and emails from different ips and nothing

[gerbick]

i am sorry . i write very fast

Adobe the company never sent me the file to my email, and I see people who have it, does not share the adobe file and may never know who uploaded the file if you do so anonymously in an open wifi network with a mobile by megaupload for commenting on an example.

if the file was made for an IMEI number, I would understand, but it is not, the file is open

people do not share, and I am registered with different data and emails from different ips and nothing

There should be no uploading of that file. Get it via the proper means. Asking for a megaupload link == bad.

And people uploading at this site might get banned. Unfortunate truth is that requesting and/or uploading this is against the license and it's against TMO's rules.

[lemon_grass]

There should be no uploading of that file. Get it via the proper means. Asking for a megaupload link == bad.

And people uploading at this site might get banned. Unfortunate truth is that requesting and/or uploading this is against the license and it's against TMO's rules.

hear hear ! - uploading will ruin this method for everyone if TI pull it.

[fms]

hear hear ! - uploading will ruin this method for everyone if TI pull it.
TI will pull it anyway, pretty soon, once every lemming requests it, stating some bogus reason.

[longcat]

this just to childish :) someone has something and can't share it, so everybody hates him/her :) lol lol lol

[DrWilken]

Are you joking? Nokia plan to sell millions of devices (step 5) which will surely have Flash 10.1. Adding the 273 (or whatever number) N900s sold won't change anything in the significant digits of such a deal.

IF Nokia should pay for the license I'm pretty sure they that the number of devices wouldn't be 273.

It would probably be a tad higher then that... Just a little bit higher... ;)

To me, it sounds like You're sure that they are licensing Flash to Nokia to use on whatever device/platform. I'm not sure that's the case.

I'm thinking that the license for Maemo and the license for Meego would be 2 separate things, and as many people have already argued they aren't going to sell any new Maemo devices, so why pay for a new license for Maemo?

I'd like Flash 10.1+ too. I just don't believe that Nokia will be providing it if it costs them money...

In the end for the guys on top it's all about profit... ;)

Try selling the idea to them... :)

[SD.]

Flash Player 10.1 is royalty free

Unlike previous versions

But still has to be licensed

[samipower]

incredible ,

but i think that if adobe/texas instruments see a link with your file will not send it to more people, but who cares if we already have this file to share?

and when the final version is completed will be released anyway.

[Laughing Man]

incredible ,

but i think that if adobe see a link with your file will not send it to more people, but who cares if we already have this file to share?

and when the final version is completed will be released anyway.

There's also possible penalties against the file uploader (if they added some way to identify which user they gave it to).

[sjgadsby]

but i think that if adobe/texas instruments see a link with your file will not send it to more people, but who cares if we already have this file to share?

Lawyers.

and when the final version is completed will be released anyway.

What final version? Released by whom?

[samipower]

ivyking yes it is very easy .

[jflatt]

Let's talk about how to break into someone's car and steal their stereo next

[qole]

and when the final version is completed will be released anyway.

Good, sounds like you can wait.

[AlphaX2]

Hm,

after all, Nokia will release an own version of MeeGo, definitly WITH Flash 10.1, also there will be a free open source Version of MeeGo, which also will be used by other firms. So Adobe, and I am quite sure about this, release a meego compatible version of Flash Player 10.1. So we can also use it on N900 in MeeGo, or maybe Maemo.

And for everybody can't wait to see Flash 10.1 running on N900 - take NITDroid. There are only some websites realy need 10.1, so you can start NITDroid, if you know you REALY NEED 10.1 Flash, 3G data connection also works, so it will also be possible on your way to school, work, on the train - or whatever.

BUT: If there will be a torrent release, I am not unhappy. :D

AlphaX2

[Dave999]

Please do not upload the file on megaupload so I can't download it.

[samipower]

dave999 are you crazy?? the people dont upload the file and you put limitations?????? that people upload the file in megaupload or other , dont worry be happy that after i will upload this file in others servers

[kolos]

Let's talk about how to break into someone's car and steal their stereo next

This is very bad comparison. The situation could be interpreted more like this:

N900 users: Great, we would like to have this stereo too! Where we can buy it?
Manufacturer: Nowhere!
N900 users: But it is going to come in stores eventually?
Manufacturer: Never!
N900 users: We're very sad, he doesn't care about us, guys! Nor he likes our money. :( What shall we do? :confused: OK, we know that Stskeeps and few other guys got this stereo for free, so let's visit them to make few clones of this great stereo just for ourselves. :p

I don't support this kind approach, but I understand feelings of misled crowds after Adobe's last year presentation.

[sony123]

Just apply through TI.... I'm waiting but if I get turned down that's fine. It's not like I need flash 10.1 everyday.

It's Nokia that shut us the door not TI. Please don't abuse the good will from TI.

[Helmuth]

a torrent posted by an anonymous person on a public tracker will make everyone happy (except adobe).

And except Nokia. They need some differences compared to the N900 to sell their new expensive successor.

[sirpaul]

there still will be enough differences, and which one of the out-of-the-box-users even knows (or will get to know) the possibility of getting flash 10.1 on your n900.

so lets face it, even if that file leaks, just a very low percentage of the n900s in the world will get flash 10.1 (hope mine is one of them)

[Mentalist Traceur]

I don't really get why everyone is blaming Nokia for this not being on your device. I'm sure there's some bureaucrat somewhere in their system that decided it's not worth it to give the users the upgrade for whatever the licencing costs are, but for f'ks sake, not of you complain about the fact that Adobe is responsible for not just providing a free flash player for mobile devices in the first place.

My opinion on the matter is: You don't get to complain about Flash 10.1 not being on the N900 officially unless you've sent an email to Adobe about their policy in regards to providing free-to-download flash players for online devices.

On another note, can I get some general idea about what you people each said to TI? Because "just fill it out honestly" means absolutely nothing, because "honestly" can be anything from "I want it on my N900 because it's the latest version" to "I am a developer for (company), and am interested in evaluating how well our flash applications will perform on the latest version of Flash on ARM-based Linux devices, so that users accessing them from such devices do not run into problems." And both of those could be true simultaneously. So suggesting that we honestly fill out the form doesn't help much.

That said, I personally do intend to be honest regardless of what you guys tell me you said, whether you got the files or not. It's just a matter of me deciding whether to even bother trying to or not.

[ysss]

This thread (well, the last few pages) has convinced me that pirates are immature crybabies.

[Mentalist Traceur]

Pirates who can't easily get their hands on the pirated goods (as in the whole category of people who sit at the bottom and wait for stuff to go up on torrents or public download sites), perhaps. Pirates at higher ends of the ladder - eg people who feed pirated warez and media to the topsites and the ones that distribute stuff from there are typically different.

And of course, even that is a rather large over-generalization. But not that that matters to you, right ysss? You just wanted to use your snarky comment opportunity.

[Descalzo]

It was a snarky comment, but he's right, too. There's a lot o' whining going on around here.

[shockgiga]

what does flash player 10 have that the currently installed has not anyway? i can view flash content without any problems. including the full 2advanced site smoothly.

[smoothc]

I believe some people here mixing speed with bacon(tocino con la velocidad).
That piece of software is protected by copyright you say. But when its ready are they planning on selling it? Or will it be available for everybody for free? If that is the case, how can it be considered stealing? If it was not free (gratis) it would be totally different.

[gerbick]

what does flash player 10 have that the currently installed has not anyway? i can view flash content without any problems. including the full 2advanced site smoothly.

Facebook video, Vimeo, and anybody else that's made the jump to FP 10.x.x.x - some of it works because it's not been recompiled to take advantage of the Flash Player 10.1 features via the Flash switcher app that fools the website to think it's a higher version than it's not.

But the moment those videos (*.flv) and sites (*.swf) are published using FP 10.1 standard effects and/or features, then you will need a proper FP 10.1 plugin.

2advanced... the current version is still set to run on FP 8, if I remember correctly. FP 9 at the most.

[gerbick]

I believe some people here mixing speed with bacon(tocino con la velocidad).
That piece of software is protected by copyright you say. But when its ready are they planning on selling it? Or will it be available for everybody for free? If that is the case, how can it be considered stealing? If it was not free (gratis) it would be totally different.

It isn't free. It's licensed... by Nokia. Nokia pays that license for you.

Just like the browser/OS people pay for H.264 encoding for you too.

[samipower]

more pages and more pages and people who have the file not published it and Texas Instruments did not send the email with the file . I sent many requests the last week and this week and nothing

[sjgadsby]

That piece of software is protected by copyright you say. But when its ready are they planning on selling it? Or will it be available for everybody for free?

Who do you mean when you write "they"?

The Flash plug-in Texas Instruments makes available to developers working on devices based on TI A8-based devices is ready. It is evaluation software, made for developers working on projects that utilize appropriate OMAP chips so those developers can test the performance of Flash on the systems they're building.

This does not imply TI has any intention of releasing the plug-in freely to the world at large. It seems likely that for such large scale distribution Adobe would demand different licensing, and a larger check, than for limited distribution, evaluation software.

The fact that Texas Instruments has a Linux-on-OMAP Flash 10.1 plug-in to distribute may not even mean that Adobe itself has that plug-in. There's been some indicators pointed out in this thread that Adobe (sometimes? always?) leaves Flash-on-ARM porting efforts to outside companies. It's possible that Texas Instruments paid licensing fees and developed the plug-in in-house or paid a third party to port the plug-in for them.

In any case, none of this implies Nokia has, and will be releasing, an updated Flash plug-in for Maemo 5 on the N900. It shows that Flash 10.1 on Maemo 5 is possible, but that was never in question.

[DeeGee]

Soo, isn't there any difference in speed with this new plugin to the one coming with N900? I thought that vector graphics were supposed to be hardware accelerated (through openvg?) in flash 10.1 for mobile devices.

[sirpaul]

this ti-version hasn't got hw acceleration, read the last 8 pages, someone has written an explanation why (or why he believes) ;)

may anyone tell me whats the difference (under licensing/pirating aspects) between backporting flash 10.1 from meego and sharing the file from ti?

except backporting needs much more work (and the guy releasing it will get much more appreciation) and may be more unstable?

so everybody whining about whining pirates should first think wether he would have used backported flash player which is as much "stealing" or violating licensing laws as copying that file, because don't tell me that nokia will buy a maemo+meego licence, the libraries will just get licenced for meego.

[rebhana]

I had thought that I could wait for an official release because MaeMaps was giving me access to google streetview after it stopped working in the direct access through the browser. But that's no longer true. I've asked for the TI version, being completely honest in the process. and didn't get it from them (so far). Still waiting patiently...

[Frappacino]

roffles at those lecturing at pirates here - I am sure no one uses PSFreedom or n900 emulators illegally and owns all of their games.

[jaimex2]

Wouldn't it be nice if the source to flash was leaked :)

Anyone know how Flash got ported to the iPad? Reverse engineering or emulating?

[Dave999]

wait a minute. I will call adobe and tell them to release it to the masses for free.

[Dave999]

No, didn't get what I wanted. But some good information :)

Me: Hello
Adobe: Hello, what can I do for you today?
Me: I want you to release Flash 10 for the mighty n900. PRONTO! And it must be free!
Adobe: It's already free.
Me: Huh?
Adobe: If nokia pays for it. The sneeky finnish mobil vendor wants everything for free just becouse the are the biggest mobil manufacturer in the world. In fact, a while back we offer to release for free. But nokia suddenly changed it's mind and wanted us to pay them for every download of flash 10. Can you belive that!?!?!
Me: sadly, I can. Thank you for your time.
Adobe: No problems. I will go and play with my goggle android flash 10 mobil super phone for a while before I call Mr Elop and see if he wants to pay a fee for flash 10 to meego OS or not. I heard it will be a killer!

[jaimex2]

http://www.myvido1.com/wTFlUMONTW5RWRaRnUFBTP_frash-002-on-iphone4-vs-flash-94-on-n900

How is the iPhone community porting flash with hardware acceleration?

[NvyUs]

http://www.myvido1.com/wTFlUMONTW5RWRaRnUFBTP_frash-002-on-iphone4-vs-flash-94-on-n900

How is the iPhone community porting flash with hardware acceleration?

b/c they dont care about legalities of it.
on the other hand i'm sure adobe wont do nothing to stop them just b/c they want to laugh at Steve Jobs
adobe should just stick the work they did on cydia

[jaimex2]

b/c they dont care about legalities of it.
on the other hand i'm sure adobe wont do nothing to stop them just b/c they want to laugh at Steve Jobs
adobe should just stick the work they did on cydia

True, though legalities can always be skipped over the same way say... PS emulators handle things. "Heres the entire working project minus a module you will need to bitTorrent for yourself"

[GotGlint]

So is anyone sharing the wealth?

[Reffyyyy]

I doubt anyone would risk themselves that much just to serve others something so small.

The risk does not outweigh the self-satisfaction they'd feel.

[efekt]

So is anyone sharing the wealth?
Bill Gates. He's a real philanthropist.

[GotGlint]

What is your TI target platform?

well? what should I put in here?

[jalyst]

Sorry for delayed response, I'm on a weekly subscribe to this thread.

I realise that, but then my next sentence/Qn was:


I mean what are the chances of a solid non-official community around it.
I'm guessing quite slim... :(

Anyone? Thank-you!

[jaimex2]

I doubt anyone would risk themselves that much just to serve others something so small.

The risk does not outweigh the self-satisfaction they'd feel.

The risk depends on what country you are in.

[Helmuth]

Perhaps we could collect money to pay the needed licence for Flash 10 ourselves to Adope?

[OVK]

Perhaps we could collect money to pay the needed licence for Flash 10 ourselves to Adope?

Somehow I doubt that this would work. It would be bad publicity for Adobe that some end users would need to pay them to get their "free" product.

However, would it be possible to negotiate with TI to get their development build of Flash 10 to be distributed more widely to Maemo community? Maybe community council (with help of Quim Gil maybe) could contact TI and negotiate on what terms we could install their version of Flash? Of course there could also be some impossible obstacles (like some licensing stuff between Adobe and TI) but atleast we could get more information about the situation.

[matts76]

Im just happy to know flash 10.1 is floating around, give it a week at the most and someone will have uploaded it somewhere,
i filled in the TI form myself but im not gonna hold my breath.

[attila77]

However, would it be possible to negotiate with TI to get their development build of Flash 10 to be distributed more widely to Maemo community? Maybe community council (with help of Quim Gil maybe) could contact TI and negotiate on what terms we could install their version of Flash? Of course there could also be some impossible obstacles (like some licensing stuff between Adobe and TI) but atleast we could get more information about the situation.

This is a very good question, I will try to make some contacts on Council level so there is at least some hope of an official response before the whole thing erupts in a rapidshare frenzy and/or TI cutoff of distribution. Ideally, it would be cool if we could use tweakflashver to swap in-out this flash plugin *legally* just as we do the faked one (technically it's the same process).

[JohnLF]

I did apply for this legitimately 5 days ago and have heard nothing, so I am hoping TI haven't decided to stop giving this out already.

[jsbigs]

I did apply for this legitimately 5 days ago and have heard nothing, so I am hoping TI haven't decided to stop giving this out already.

Same here. Sigh.

[gerbick]

Oh that would be totally ****ed up if the non-legit folks messed it up for the legit people.

[JohnLF]

Oh that would be totally ****ed up if the non-legit folks messed it up for the legit people.

Exactly what I was thinking...

[Bratag]

Oh that would be totally ****ed up if the non-legit folks messed it up for the legit people.


Which is why I didnt apply for it, despite very much wanting it.

[jmk]

This is really weird.. no leakage yet

[OVK]

This is a very good question, I will try to make some contacts on Council level so there is at least some hope of an official response before the whole thing erupts in a rapidshare frenzy and/or TI cutoff of distribution. Ideally, it would be cool if we could use tweakflashver to swap in-out this flash plugin *legally* just as we do the faked one (technically it's the same process).

Thank you for this. I understand that this is going to take some time but please keep us updated on the progress.

[rebhana]

I did apply for this legitimately 5 days ago and have heard nothing, so I am hoping TI haven't decided to stop giving this out already.

If you were applying for it without lying to them (as I was), you won't get it, for on the TI page (http://focus.ti.com/docs/toolsw/folders/print/adobeflash-a8.html) it now says
IMPORTANT:

* This Evaluation/Demo code is provided ONLY for users developing products with Texas Instruments Cortex-A8 based microprocessors (ie: Sitara and DaVinci platforms).

Previously, it said "including Sitara and DaVinci platforms".

There is also little hope, I'm afraid, TI can be talked into giving it to our community, since they now say
This code is NOT intended for production use. If you intend to ship this software with your product, please contact Adobe or Adobe partners directly for any necessary qualification and licensing.

But the latter statement seems to leave open the possibility that for instance Carsten/Stskeeps asks Adobe for permission to ship it to extras-devel....:rolleyes:

[iceman600]

ill be willing to PAY/DONATE to the community just to have flash working again on my beloved N900 :D

[Dave999]

must be other companies with the same sort of flash plug-ins for devs?

[RobbieThe1st]

I've just talked with a certain Nokia-afflliated person on IRC. He said - And I believe him when he says this - that Nokia will ignore most if not all request/complaint posts on the forum. After all, they could be faked, right?
Now, while its incredibly unlikely that -this many- posts are all faked, I understand where he's coming from.

What he suggests doing is calling or emailing NokiaCare with our complaints and suggestions. One or two won't make a difference, but if we get a couple hundred unique emails sent; a bunch of calls in... That might get someone to take notice.

Now, in order to do this, the complaint should be something like "I cant load -major site X-". You can ignore TweakFlashPlayer, because -they- shouldn't know about it and its third-party software also. Just disable that, then complain about some major site you can't access.

You can try emailing through the form here: http://www.nokiausa.com/get-support-and-software/contact-us
Or call 1-866-59NOKIA (1-866-596-6542).
And remember, be an obstinate consumer. You paid for this dang device, and its supposed to have Flash. Why isn't it working?!??


It can't hurt.

P.S. If you find a good email or number of someone who might be better than the official number/email... Let us know.

-Rob

[attila77]

I've just talked with a certain Nokia-afflliated person on IRC. He said - And I believe him when he says this - that Nokia will ignore most if not all request/complaint posts on the forum. After all, they could be faked, right?
Now, while its incredibly unlikely that -this many- posts are all faked, I understand where he's coming from.


Note that the latest issue is strictly on a TI <-> community relation. Nokia has no say in what distribution deal TI has with Adobe nor whether TI will let us have this or that (we *can* ask for logistics and insight, though). Already pointed out a couple of times - Nokia does listen (though not in the context of 'obey', but rather as input (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=61869)). As for subject matter, it doesn't take a PR rocket scientist to realize not having an up-to-date Flash Player is not exactly an advantage, even if there were zero complaints about it on talk.

[Aranel]

I've just talked with a certain Nokia-afflliated person on IRC. He said - And I believe him when he says this - that Nokia will ignore most if not all request/complaint posts on the forum. After all, they could be faked, right?
Now, while its incredibly unlikely that -this many- posts are all faked, I understand where he's coming from.

What he suggests doing is calling or emailing NokiaCare with our complaints and suggestions. One or two won't make a difference, but if we get a couple hundred unique emails sent; a bunch of calls in... That might get someone to take notice.

Now, in order to do this, the complaint should be something like "I cant load -major site X-". You can ignore TweakFlashPlayer, because -they- shouldn't know about it and its third-party software also. Just disable that, then complain about some major site you can't access.

You can try emailing through the form here: http://www.nokiausa.com/get-support-and-software/contact-us
Or call 1-866-59NOKIA (1-866-596-6542).
And remember, be an obstinate consumer. You paid for this dang device, and its supposed to have Flash. Why isn't it working?!??


It can't hurt.

P.S. If you find a good email or number of someone who might be better than the official number/email... Let us know.

-Rob

In addition to this, instead of posting your frustration about absence of newer Flash versions for N900 here, *also* post it @ Nokia Discussion Forums [1] , with effort of our community and majority of our whining team, we can flood that forum with complaints, make them look very, VERY bad company on their own forums -and sometimes I think it's a correct statement tbh- and push/force them to make a marketing stunt to get us to shut up :p

Worth trying.

[1] http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/t5/Maemo-Devices/bd-p/maemo

--
Off-topic: Seems like TI stopped sending copies of Flash 10 software, and since nobody wants to share it with others or the community, It looks like our last chance of getting Flash 10 on our devices (even illegally) is now vanished.

[attila77]

Off-topic: Seems like TI stopped sending copies of Flash 10 software, and since nobody wants to share it with others or the community, It looks like our last chance of getting Flash 10 on our devices (even illegally) is now vanished.

No. Contact has been made and talks are ongoing. They have just been stunned by the huge number of requests received from Maemo folks, so please refrain from any outbursts or premature conclusions until any kind of resolution and announcement is made.

In addition to this, instead of posting your frustration about absence of newer Flash versions for N900 here, *also* post it @ Nokia Discussion Forums [1] , with effort of our community and majority of our whining team, we can flood that forum with complaints, make them look very, VERY bad company on their own forums -and sometimes I think it's a correct statement tbh- and push/force them to make a marketing stunt to get us to shut up :p


Please avoid starting forum wars, the successes of those historically approaches zero. Flooding official Nokia forums can result (depending on language used and other circumstances) in moderator action and will only make it harder for the voices of reason be heard (think about why Nokia communicates via a Community Council and does not get into our talk thread business). On a side note, maemo.org is way (*way*) higher ranked on google and judging by the number of backlinks, influences the blogosphere more than the Nokia Discussion Forums.

[Br41th]

I dont think the cpu on the N900 can handle flash 10. I put it on a PC I was fixing, it had 1.7ghz cpu which when running flash 10 in 360 on youtube the cpu was running at 100% and the picture was real laggy.

[jflatt]

I dont think the cpu on the N900 can handle flash 10. I put it on a PC I was fixing, it had 1.7ghz cpu which when running flash 10 in 360 on youtube the cpu was running at 100% and the picture was real laggy.
This one seems to have some TI involvement, so maybe some optimizations went into it.

[sirpaul]

maybe someone having flash 10.1 could tell about performance and compatibility? (e.g. youtube (->resolutions?) or street view and wether there is a need to overclock).

so that we aren't all sobbering "i want flash 10.1" and it isn't usable/stable ;)

[Maxim Isayev]

Megavideo performance seems to be decent and stable (hooray), Youtube performance seems same as before, Comedy Network's video player stutters, unfortunately. That's after 5 minutes of testing, mind you.

Also to all of those asking for the file to be posted, don't forget the general rule of the internet. Everything is a google search away.

[hardkorek]

Same here. Sigh.

And here:(

Damn, i can't find it on google as well.
Can some one post google search string to find a download?

[teh]

I dont think the cpu on the N900 can handle flash 10. I put it on a PC I was fixing, it had 1.7ghz cpu which when running flash 10 in 360 on youtube the cpu was running at 100% and the picture was real laggy.

What graphics card did it have? Being a 1.7 sounds quite old so would have an old graphics card!

Its not all about CPU because 10.1 is GPU accelerated

[samipower]

Maxim Isayev send me a link with a private message or put here a link , i googled and nothing

[cfh11]

GUYS... read the TI page. This plug-in is NOT licensed for production. As Stskeeps alluded to earlier, there is likely unique code in the binary that can trace it back to you if you leak it.

Even if you are willing to take the risk and leak it, TMO should not be the vehicle for such discussions.

[samipower]

cfh11 ok but

this very pretty that in a n900 mobile only five o six persons can develope o try flash 10.1 and other people run flash 9.4

Nokia and Adobe bad relationship, and Texas Instruments adobe good relationship. Why users can not enjoy a plugin that Adobe introduced in 2009?

[CormacB]

At least two people got the binaries. What to the md5 sums say? Is there really a tracker? I doubt it. It is a little amusing how moralistic the Maemo community is on this subject, when a bunch of them are running an evaluation JRE, or using Google copyrighted apps in Nitdroid, or using patent covered codecs in mplayer.

[Reffyyyy]

@Samipower

Seriously, stop asking. No-one is going to send it to you. I am sure it will eventually leak.

Also, I think that your expectations for it are too high. The performance will probably be very similar to 9.4 and Tweak Flash Plugin already enables most Flash features.

[stlpaul]

The performance will probably be very similar to 9.4 and Tweak Flash Plugin already enables most Flash features.

Tweak Flash Plugin Version doesn't "enable most Flash features", it simply changes the version string presented to websites in cases where they block access based on version detection. Your flash plugin has no more ability with it than without it.

[xabier]

How is the performance in flash 10.1 with this plugin on n900? It runs poorly on openpandora, it can even handle full screen youtube properly.

[Reffyyyy]

Tweak Flash Plugin Version doesn't "enable most Flash features", it simply changes the version string presented to websites in cases where they block access based on version detection. Your flash plugin has no more ability with it than without it.

I know. Badly worded. By features, I meant content.

[Laughing Man]

What graphics card did it have? Being a 1.7 sounds quite old so would have an old graphics card!

Its not all about CPU because 10.1 is GPU accelerated

True but not the 10.1 mobile devices have. If I remember correctly even the Android 10.1 Flash isn't GPU accelerated yet.

[maxximuscool]

True but not the 10.1 mobile devices have. If I remember correctly even the Android 10.1 Flash isn't GPU accelerated yet.

Absolutely spot on mate. Yeah I think they are not GPU accelerated either. Because you can see the frame rate is not smooth as on the computer. The frame rate quite slow and if it is GPU accelerated then they will have no problem viewing the video on the page without having to full screen it to make it runs smoother.

[Tesno]

I just tried to play Farmville on my HD2 Froyostone Android with flash 10.1. Didn't work at all, so what's the point again?

[sjgadsby]

It is a little amusing how moralistic the Maemo community is on this subject, when a bunch of them are running an evaluation JRE, or using Google copyrighted apps in Nitdroid, or using patent covered codecs in mplayer.

It's important to keep in mind that communities, particularly large ones such as this one, aren't monolithic. Opinions and ideas expressed in one thread may not cleanly mesh with those in another as there may be no overlap of participants.

[LondonBenji]

I just tried to play Farmville on my HD2 Froyostone Android with flash 10.1. Didn't work at all, so what's the point again?

OH SNAP! So I can't play Farmville on my N900? That's it, I don't want this piece of **** N900 any more! What is the point if I can't play Farmville?! It renders the device COMPLETELY useless!

:mad:


You were being sarcastic, right? ;)

[sirpaul]

he means how moralistic those are who got the file from ti and don't wanna share it ;)

another thought: if we can use meego with flash on our n900 why shouldn't we be allowed to use flash with maemo on the n900?

what is the difference?

i think those who don't want to upload it are just scared by big adobe/ti chasing them around the world for uploading a file appr. 5000 people will download (and only half of them will be able to use it).

so please post the md5checksum, if you are to scared to do more than that

[Helmuth]

another thought: if we can use meego with flash on our n900 why shouldn't we be allowed to use flash with maemo on the n900?


Who has said that meego will ship with flash?!

I'm sure there is no flash support at Meego 1.1 - it's device vendor specific if they will ship their devices with Flash or not. But it's not integrated by default in the standard image.

[Helmuth]

Hmm... interesting...
Please have a look here: Adobe FAQ (http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/faq/)

Please open the Licensing section.

Here we are able to read:
Can I license Flash Player for distribution on mobile devices?
Members of the Open Screen Project are able to distribute Flash Player 10.1 with their devices royalty free; however, a license (contract) still needs to be in place between Adobe and the licensee. Learn more about the Open Screen Project (http://www.openscreenproject.org/).


Perhaps I don't understand it correct... but in this case. Nokia and Intel are Members of the Open Screen Project. Could maemo.org get a member, too and in this case get a license from Adobe for free to distribute Flash 10.1 for Maemo 5? :confused:

[ndi]

If Nokia is a member why does Maemo need to be? Doesn't right to distribute for a company extend to all its products?

[rebhana]

Since the updated TI page refers to Adobe for the question of redistribution of their flashplayer plugin, couldn't one of the now privileged testers of that plugin simply ask Adobe for permission to make it accessible on extras-devel? It's unsurprising that Nokia doesn't want to have it thrown at regular users, but they should not have any objections to that, and Adobe might also not be against having 10.1 tested and used on the N900.

[attila77]

Perhaps I don't understand it correct... but in this case. Nokia and Intel are Members of the Open Screen Project. Could maemo.org get a member, too and in this case get a license from Adobe for free to distribute Flash 10.1 for Maemo 5? :confused:

Ah, young lawyer padawan, that's not how you read that. Note "with their devices". That does not necessarily imply internet distribution or firmware upgrades.

[samipower]

the dark side say: when i have flash 10.1 ti , it will published in all world

i hate nokia
i hate adobe
i hate texas instruments
i hate who dont share the file

internet is share .

now i have the latest file android 2.2 ti file , i am searching the maemo file......... i will found it ..... ja ja

[DrWilken]

You must be like this guy then:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXmv8quf_xM

1337 :D

[ndi]

You must be like this guy then:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXmv8quf_xM

1337 :D

Dear God.

I can't believe it. The guy is a genius.

All my years and I never imagined tracert would accept a target with a protocol in front of it. I imagined it would say "http:... invalid host".

[maxximuscool]

Dear God.

I can't believe it. The guy is a genius.

All my years and I never imagined tracert would accept a target with a protocol in front of it. I imagined it would say "http:... invalid host".

ahhahah good one :D

[shadowjk]

So it's royalty free? I guess that means there's just a lump sum for each version then :)

[WesleyNL]

hey guys , i should be reading this whole treath but i dont have time for it 146 pages to read , i'd like to ask is there any way for a latest flash support or alt for it? cuz flash is one thing every mobile device and pc must have but i cant find it for maemo, same with silverlight support i realy like to have the n900 support those bcuz i cant use everywhere a laptop

if you want to help me with it

thx in advance

[longcat]

You must be like this guy then:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXmv8quf_xM

1337 :D

why oh why

[dchky]

i should be reading this whole treath but i dont have time for it 146 pages to read , i'd like to ask is there any way for a latest flash support or alt for it? cuz flash is one thing every mobile device and pc must have but i cant find it for maemo, same with silverlight support i realy like to have the n900 support those bcuz i cant use everywhere a laptop

Okay, instead of not reading anything at all, at least read the first page or two. You'll have the answer. Even better, do a search.

Silverlight is a Microsoft thing, the N900 does Linux. You will never see it around these parts - you might like to investigate Mono (moonlight) instead.

[WesleyNL]

i cant find anything usefull at the 1st 10 pages thats why ask for someone to help , im not knowledgeble about detailed stuff, remind you guys im a windows user and totaly know nothing about linux , i only know linux is like win2000nt, basicly linux is used for servers as ppl tell me on irc, thats all i
know , all i readed ppl saying "it would be lovely to see flash player 10" and they were making it and thenthey are making it not its to confuing, and af for silver light all i know there was a thing called moonlight witch was a replace for silverlight

sorry hun im not one of the smart ppl on the world

[iDont]

i cant find anything usefull at the 1st 10 pages thats why ask for someone to help , im not knowledgeble about detailed stuff, remind you guys im a windows user and totaly know nothing about linux , i only know linux is like win2000nt, basicly linux is used for servers as ppl tell me on irc, thats all i
know , all i readed ppl saying "it would be lovely to see flash player 10" and they were making it and thenthey are making it not its to confuing, and af for silver light all i know there was a thing called moonlight witch was a replace for silverlight

sorry hun im not one of the smart ppl on the world

Summary:

-There is no indication that there will be an official flash update, so version 9 is and will probably be the latest
-Texas Instruments does have Flash 10.1 available by request for their ARM products, of which the N900 is also based on. However, the license forbids redistribution of it (some people at TMO have the file, thus working flash 10.1) and the N900 platform doesn't qualify for it IIRC.
-You can use the Tweak Flash Version app to make Flash 9 report itself as Flash 10 so websites 'requiring' Flash 10 (but not actually needing it) will work again. Luckily, there aren't too much sites actually needing Flash 10 currently.

-Silverlight = Microsoft product, won't work on Linux
-Moonlight = Open Source implementation of Silverlight (for Linux), though it hasn't been ported to the N900. Also, Moonlight doesn't provide all the functions Silverlight does atm.

-iDont

[WesleyNL]

so basicly is tweak flash the only way?

as for moonlight i know microsoft is to greedy to make one for non windows systems, i find there should be a stop at beeing greedy specialy micro$oft, its their own fault ppl pirate the ****

so can you link me to this tweak flash?

[James_Littler]

so basicly is tweak flash the only way?

as for moonlight i know microsoft is to greedy to make one for non windows systems, i find there should be a stop at beeing greedy specialy micro$oft, its their own fault ppl pirate the ****

so can you link me to this tweak flash?

Look in the repositories, you might have to enable extras-testing and extras-development if you've not already done so.

[Usual warning]

[iDont]

so basicly is tweak flash the only way?

as for moonlight i know microsoft is to greedy to make one for non windows systems, i find there should be a stop at beeing greedy specialy micro$oft, its their own fault ppl pirate the ****

so can you link me to this tweak flash?

It's in the Maemo Extra repository, so you can find it in the N900 Application Manager. You can also download it by opening the following link on you N900 and press the Install arrow:
http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/tweakflashver/

-iDont

Edit @James_Littler: It's also in the standard extra repository according to the maemo.org package instance, so no need for extra-devel/testing :)

[geneven]

I've just talked with a certain Nokia-afflliated person on IRC. He said - And I believe him when he says this - that Nokia will ignore most if not all request/complaint posts on the forum. After all, they could be faked, right?
Now, while its incredibly unlikely that -this many- posts are all faked, I understand where he's coming from.

What he suggests doing is calling or emailing NokiaCare with our complaints and suggestions. One or two won't make a difference, but if we get a couple hundred unique emails sent; a bunch of calls in... That might get someone to take notice.

Now, in order to do this, the complaint should be something like "I cant load -major site X-". You can ignore TweakFlashPlayer, because -they- shouldn't know about it and its third-party software also. Just disable that, then complain about some major site you can't access.

You can try emailing through the form here: http://www.nokiausa.com/get-support-and-software/contact-us
Or call 1-866-59NOKIA (1-866-596-6542).
And remember, be an obstinate consumer. You paid for this dang device, and its supposed to have Flash. Why isn't it working?!??


It can't hurt.

P.S. If you find a good email or number of someone who might be better than the official number/email... Let us know.

-Rob

Can you explain why a message to NokiaCare couldn't be faked?

Ignoring this site is incredibly dumb on Nokia''s part -- in other words, it's completely consistent with their corporate culture.

[xuggs]

NokiaCare in my city is a total joke. Called them several months ago when Google Maps SV stopped working and I was enquiring about Flash 10.1..

Me: When do we expect an update to flash 10.1 for N900?
NC: You can download it from Ovi store.
Me: Are you serious?
NC: Yes sir
Me: I don't see it on ovi store.
NC: It's there you just have to look for it.
Me: I am certain it's not there.
NC: Please restart your phone and then clear your browser cache and search again. If this does not help then you will have to flash your firmware or bring it to any Nokia Care center and we will flash it for you.
Me. *Hang up*

[danielz000]

Me: Are you serious?
NC: Yes sir


Their service is so crap I'd be happy with that response :(

Hell, i'd be happy with a response...

[samipower]

use nitdroid 0.0.8 now can send calls and microphone run well ,and it have adobe flash player 10.1 ti latest version (texas instruments)

[cloudstrife1ph]

since when did we got the flash 10 update? i can't remember if it's included in the pr 1.2 or a standalone in the app manager...

i checked my microb plugins and it's adobe shockwave 10.1 r61... that's the adobe flash right?

[ctbeiser]

Can we get an MD5 on the copy of Flash 10.1 TI gave out? Then we could compare and see if they're putting unique identifiers in them.

[Mentalist Traceur]

Doubt it. The few people who got the thing are being too legally prim and proper to bother checking. Of course, they're not interested in sharing it to begin with, so of course they won't be interested in checking either, most likely.

[RenaldoTT]

I checked my browser on my N900 it says 10.1 or something with a 10.

[Frappacino]

wait for nitdriod to mature and donate to dj steve if u want flash 10 - otherwise dont hold ur breath

[Mentalist Traceur]

Those of you reporting that your browser says 10.1 / "something with a 10" - are you using the tweak flash version app? Because that would explain, oh, I don't know, why your browser would report version 10-something, since the tweak flash version hacks the binary itself to change the version string, as I understand it.

[thecube]

http://focus.ti.com/docs/toolsw/folders/print/adobeflash-a8.html

[elie-7]

http://focus.ti.com/docs/toolsw/folders/print/adobeflash-a8.html
maybe someone can use that to get us flash 10 :D

[thecube]

maybe someone can use that to get us flash 10 :D

I treid to creat an account..but didn t work...
maybe someone has already one.

[attila77]

Please do not use that TI link, they have stated it is for OEM hardware developers only. We (Community Council) have applied to get legal distribution (or at least clickthrough) way of getting that plugin, so if we get it, you'll see a notice about it soon enough.

[Mentalist Traceur]

Thank you. I've been wondering if the entire thing has gotten forgotten on the Community Council or TI end (since unlike some people posting I still remember that you said the community council is trying to apply for a way for us to get it just a few pages ago).

Is there any chance of getting more updates, though? Or is absolutely nothing happening? I mean, did you just formally send a request, upon which you haven't heard anything (aside from perhaps a typical formal "We shall examine your query and reply accordingly when we have done so [after processing it through our legal team and some subcommittees]"), or are there active talks ongoing, and is there any chance of getting updates on the progress of those talks?

[attila77]

Talks ongoing - we stated our request, they stated their concerns and legal limits, and now we're trying to reach a compromise on these, meaning interested parties could get the stuff without breaching license requirements - either on our side or TI's. It's certainly not just boilerplate that we have gotten from them, but apparently it's not like they can just give it away with a draw of a pen (and they aren't really set up for partnering with end-users or communities), hence the difficulties. Whatever the outcome, as soon as we have a definite resolution, there will be a Council blog post regarding that.

[ivyking]

In case we never see adobe flash 10 on n900 , why not port gnash 0.8.8 with gpu acceleration ? it does partially support flash 10 features , and gpu acceleration would be quite nice .

[Mentalist Traceur]

This has already come up. Gnash supports "some" features of the Flash 10 (maybe - I never heard that until now, but I'm sure it's possible), and as far as I know not even all Flash 9 features.

Gnash is wonderful in principle, and if I could code better myself I would be contributing to the Gnash project myself, but it's really not anywhere near as usable yet. At this stage, official Flash 9.14 or 9.4 or whatever we have on the N900s is better than Gnash, based on what I was able to see from the Gnash project page last time I looked.

- Edit -

Oh, and: thanks for the update Atilla77. I never actually voted during the last community council election, but I retroactively offer you my vote ;)

[niqbal]

Please do not use that TI link, they have stated it is for OEM hardware developers only. We (Community Council) have applied to get legal distribution (or at least clickthrough) way of getting that plugin, so if we get it, you'll see a notice about it soon enough.

thats the whole issue, TI cannot just hand the plugin over for DISTRIBUTION. I thank council for trying atleast something Nokia can resolve in a matter of minutes. Its kind of ironic if you think about it. Council trying to get something for NOKIA device owners which NOKIA already has for sometime mind you, just don't want to share it lol. Oh, maybe Nokia will sell it on Ovi store hahaha

[attila77]

thats the whole issue, TI cannot just hand the plugin over for DISTRIBUTION. I thank council for trying atleast something Nokia can resolve in a matter of minutes. Its kind of ironic if you think about it. Council trying to get something for NOKIA device owners which NOKIA already has for sometime mind you, just don't want to share it lol. Oh, maybe Nokia will sell it on Ovi store hahaha

If you have information about Nokia having a functional Flash 10.1 ready, pray tell (AFAIK even the Flash plugin for MeeGo is done by a 3rd party company). And no, a publicity stunt of an attention-hungry company from a year ago does not count.

[ZogG]

with the ubuntu arm release i think it may change the situation, but the question is when

[jalyst]

Whatever the outcome, as soon as we have a definite resolution, there will be a Council blog post regarding that.

Here?
http://maemo.org/community/council/
wonder if there's a way to subscribe...

[attila77]

Here?
http://maemo.org/community/council/
wonder if there's a way to subscribe...

That's the spot (will also show up on maemo.org/news). As for subscription... RSS ?

[danramos]

Why can't you people just be happy with the device you bought? If you're not happy, you should have researched better. Also, remember to take a drink for this comment as per the drinking game. :)

[Mentalist Traceur]

Because the device we bought is being held back by utterly unfair policy decisions (maily by Adobe). It's the same reason I get to complain about net neutrality violations, instead of being happy with what the internet providers are providing, just because, well, it's there.

The people who bought this device bought it largely based on ability and versatility. Now, if you had made a claim to the effect of we shouldn't be blaming Nokia for it, I agree, we shouldn't. Nokia advertised a desktop-like experience and full flash - and they gave it to us. Even without 10.1 most of the problems are blamable on websites irrationally blocking based on version, not Nokia.

But since you're talking about general happiness with the device on the whole, just because we're happy with it as is doesn't mean we don't get to try to push against a completely artificial limitation being imposed on it by upgrade omission.

[M_99]

"Adobe confirms Flash Player 10.1 is coming to BlackBerry, Windows Phone 7 and more"

http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/25/adobe-confirms-flash-player-10-1-is-coming-to-blackberry-window/

CU - M_99

[Jaco2k]

"Adobe confirms Flash Player 10.1 is coming to BlackBerry, Windows Phone 7 and more"

http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/25/adobe-confirms-flash-player-10-1-is-coming-to-blackberry-window/

CU - M_99

"More" as in NOT Maemo - yes in Meego. Hopefully we'll either get Meego or someone will backport it to Maemo...

[storkus]

I hope you're wrong, Jaco, but I don't think you are. :(

[M_99]

"More" as in NOT Maemo - yes in Meego. Hopefully we'll either get Meego or someone will backport it to Maemo...

Yep - what a piece of **** :mad:
But maybe with MeeGo-Dualboot or the kind help of som devs it will happen some day :rolleyes:

CU - M_99

[AgogData]

just tried tweak flash on pr 1.3 ! did it work with any1 ?

[gjh98]

after firmware upgrade this morning I'm now getting an 'upgrade flash' message in the browser, which takes me to an adobe page for a linux flash 10.1 download... is this new?

[M_99]

after firmware upgrade this morning I'm now getting an 'upgrade flash' message in the browser, which takes me to an adobe page for a linux flash 10.1 download... is this new?

Versions available are:

YUM for Linux
.tar.gz for Linux
.rpm for Linux
.deb for Ubuntu 8.04+
APT for Ubuntu 9.04+
:confused:

CU - M_99

[stlpaul]

Those are for x86/amd64 (PC desktop). Won't work in your N900, don't bother.

[M_99]

Those are for x86/amd64 (PC desktop). Won't work in your N900, don't bother.

Yep, I know, thanks. Just wanted to know if it's another version gjh98 is asked to update in his browser ;)

CU . M_99

[Benson]

-Texas Instruments does have Flash 10.1 available by request for their ARM products, of which the N900 is also based on. However, the license forbids redistribution of it (some people at TMO have the file, thus working flash 10.1) and the N900 platform doesn't qualify for it IIRC.
Those shadowy flash-having conspiracy people... do we know who they are? any exploitable weaknesses? or do we have to become ninjas and steal their N900s while they sleep to pirate their files?

j/k, of course. Glad to hear the council is still working it.

[niche]

Just about to try tweak flash version but it says "PR1.2 only". I just upgraded to PR1.3, did anyone try it out with the new firmware installed?

[rajil.s]

again the same question. does tweak flash work with PR 1.3?

[casketizer]

NO! You'll have to wait for an update.

[bandario]

WHAT?! :eek:

So even after the long awaited 1.3....no 10.1 upgrade? What a flipping joke.

[Uxi]

I was hoping, but not in PR1.3 We can hope it will come separately, or as part of 1.4/2.0

[danramos]

Those shadowy flash-having conspiracy people... do we know who they are? any exploitable weaknesses? or do we have to become ninjas and steal their N900s while they sleep to pirate their files?

j/k, of course. Glad to hear the council is still working it.

I'm starting the rumor that they found it causes sterilization in male geeks and they're working to fix it. Go ahead--try to prove that rumor wrong! ;)

[pkubaj]

Will there be any more updates? I've read that 12.3 is the last one, so there won't be any 1.4/2.0. Only Meego.

[Killahgold]

Will there be any more updates? I've read that 12.3 is the last one, so there won't be any 1.4/2.0. Only Meego.

you mean 1.3?