[Under consideration] Swype input for N900 [Archive] - maemo.org

sph

12-22-2009, 11:10 PM

Lots of discussions going on there, but no actual brainstorm. Swype makes much sense for N900's single touch screen and since Nokia puts money into Swype, why not to ask and hope to get it for N900 before the next multi-touch Maemo device comes out.

http://static.maemo.org/static/4/409c3e62ef7611dea4348f72ad8c823c823c_what-is-swype.jpg

Vote here:
http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/swype_input_method/

chicoelnino

01-06-2010, 03:47 PM

Anyone know when/if this will be availble for the likes of N900 users?

http://www.swypeinc.com/

sph

01-06-2010, 03:56 PM

You could maybe vote for it, follow here http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=38139

cre8web

01-06-2010, 04:17 PM

Anyone know when/if this will be availble for the likes of N900 users?

http://www.swypeinc.com/

Sure looks handy

GeraldKo

01-06-2010, 05:36 PM

Swype for Maemo comes up in this thread (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=454920#post454920), where NvyUs points out that Nokia has invested in Swype.

titi974

01-14-2010, 05:10 AM

good idea !

evil_m0nkey

01-15-2010, 07:33 PM

agreed.

swype would be awesome

*Sonic*

01-16-2010, 04:38 AM

another plus here too

karim0028

01-16-2010, 03:41 PM

Yup, i would love this as well..

*Sonic*

01-16-2010, 03:44 PM

how do you actually vote, do I need to register again under the brainstorm section ?

geneven

01-16-2010, 03:45 PM

There was something very similar to this implemented for the earlier n8xx tablets and I think I was the most devoted to it -- I persisted in using it and advocating it for weeks after anyone else. But eventually I gave up. It was just too slow compared to regular keyboard input.

dov

01-17-2010, 05:08 AM

Here's a more radical approach that may be cool to test out on the maemo:

See: http://mrl.nyu.edu/~perlin/demos/quikwriting.html

and

http://www.nongnu.org/qwo/

I have also toyed with the idea of using shorthand (like what was popular in the beginning of the 19th century with pencil and paper) as an input method.

Alan_Peery

01-17-2010, 09:44 AM

I don't know about Swype (taking into account what geneven just said), but what about Dasher?
http://www.google.com/search?q=dasher+keyboard

Bec

01-18-2010, 07:03 AM

Regarding touch input methods I think you guys are a little overenthusiastic.

So far the keyboard on N900 is beyond great. I say this should be postponed for Maemo6 and if the rumor of it not having a keyboard is true, this would be most relevant.

dhcmega

04-20-2010, 02:41 PM

I have used it on a Motorola Droid and it is very useful.

zimon

04-20-2010, 02:45 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCWwuIXxBuI

xtian

04-21-2010, 12:18 AM

Motorola Cliq XT for TMobile US has Swype in it. Pretty cool tech.

madmaze

05-05-2010, 05:16 PM

i think it would be a great addition to maemo, especially in portrait mode.

gokuman56

05-24-2010, 11:48 AM

totally a good idea, should port it for the n810 too!

buxz777

05-24-2010, 12:04 PM

good idear and would ne nice to see on the n900

swype is really good when you get used to it

smoku

05-24-2010, 12:05 PM

Meh...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bet1H1hC4VY

And it tears skin of my index finger...

kylepsp

05-24-2010, 12:25 PM

I don't think this would work very well with the resistive screen

gokuman56

05-24-2010, 01:10 PM

I don't think this would work very well with the resistive screen

I have this on my htc mogul and it works perfectly and it has a resistive screen.

hawaii

05-24-2010, 01:16 PM

Works just fine on the 5800 also.

anapospastos

06-17-2010, 12:52 PM

A virtual keyboard for N900 in which we could write using swype method from android. Open sourced maemo can give us a nice implementation for input.

w00t

06-17-2010, 12:59 PM

Not to put a dampener on this, but from experience, it is not going to be easy.

Still, interested people can look into some of the work done for portrait-keyboard: http://gitorious.org/hildon-portrait-keyboard

Collaboration welcome.

ppriyank

06-24-2010, 11:22 PM

this wud be a great thing to have on n900, one of my buddy has it on his HD2 and typing is soooo much faster :(

fw190

06-29-2010, 04:35 AM

Would it be possible to have Swype on Nokia N900?

Venemo

06-29-2010, 04:39 AM

Yes, as soon as someone writes the necessary Hildon Input Method stuff, it can be possible.

fw190

06-29-2010, 07:55 AM

This would be great. I wonder if it is difficult to do that for someone with programming skills?

clasificado

06-29-2010, 08:09 AM

we only need a developer with the proper knowledge and initiative :D i am asking too much?

fw190

06-29-2010, 09:03 AM

Well I'm not a developer and my first contact with linux is N900. That is why I'm asking :)

nosa101

06-29-2010, 11:21 AM

You could ask the company

msa

08-02-2010, 08:47 AM

go to the swype forums ( click me (http://swype.uservoice.com/forums/17482-swype-general-forum) ), search for "maemo" and vote for all threads that come up! or create new threads. anything to get the developers attention.

fw190

08-02-2010, 10:22 AM

I wrote to the company but got no answer and gave up the whole thing but I used Your link and voted for it. Thank's for the tip.

msa

08-02-2010, 11:46 AM

I wrote to the company but got no answer and gave up the whole thing but I used Your link and voted for it. Thank's for the tip.

i just saw only 1 voteable thread comes up, because the other is "completed".

i dont have an account over there, but someone should make a new thread! we should organize ourselves and vote this new thread up so they know we are serious about it! most posts in the existing thread are 7 or 8 month old... if nothing happens, we're not getting swype, i guess.

fw190

08-02-2010, 12:05 PM

Maybe if more people would vote it could be done. The registration is easy. When you tap the vote button you can register in a few seconds by typing your mail and that is it.

superg05

08-23-2010, 02:01 PM

already voted on that android has another keyboard like swype called slideit it was free in the android market you'd probably be better asking them

gregoranderson

09-01-2010, 10:38 AM

Just spotted Swype released on Nokia Beta Labs for selected S60v5 handsets ; http://betalabs.nokia.com/apps/swype-for-symbian/

kinggo

09-01-2010, 11:17 AM

this looks very slow comparing to typing on HW keyboard.
I miss HWR from UIQ. :(

Rushmore

09-02-2010, 11:38 PM

I prefer using swype, compared to the cramp stiff keys of the N900. Using swype to type this post. Seems a resistive screen would be problematic for swype. Perhaps it would work better using the stylus?

NvyUs

09-02-2010, 11:45 PM

i was using swype on a resistive screen all day yesterday and had no problems at all, if anything it could work better than on capacitive b/c higher accuracy

ZogG

09-02-2010, 11:56 PM

i thin that any choice is good, some people prefer this and some that. i would like to try out swype, as i heard from friend it's really uncomfortable only on the begining but when u used to it, it rocks

HellFlyer

09-06-2010, 04:11 AM

http://betalabs.nokia.com/apps/swype-for-symbian

So dying platform is getting this really nice feature and we dont :(
I think PR 1.2 vkb is just horrible

Ok so anyone knows who should we contact? (council maybe?) to get this thing working on N900

Inacurate

09-06-2010, 04:17 AM

I'm good with being patient and of the opinion that when MeeGo lands, the application written will also work in Maemo 5.

That being said, someone could get an early head start and code one NOW for Maemo and be that much more ready for MeeGo. ;)

xuggs

09-06-2010, 04:19 AM

Why would you need that when you have such an awesome keyboard?

Inacurate

09-06-2010, 04:30 AM

Always better to have more options! :) I'll still use the keyboard 90% of the time, but if Swype worked efficiently enough, I could start using it less personally.

quipper8

09-06-2010, 04:49 AM

two reasons:
hardware keyboard already present

swype doesnt work so well on resistive

since future meego devices will have capacitive, it will probably be available

Inacurate

09-06-2010, 05:22 AM

Nah sayers. :)

Why can't we have both? There is no logical reason to not have both, there really isn't. It's no different than people wanting a portrait VKB or portrait mode at all. We already have landscape, why do we need another option?

If it doesn't work well on resistive screens, it's only because the code wasn't perfected. Just as capable of a screen, since you are holding a finger on it. Needs a little pressure, sure, but just another of the things you pick up with experience and learn to adapt too.

It should be available, eventually. Be interested in seeing how well it works on the N900, since it does have one of the better resistive screens out there.

HellFlyer

09-06-2010, 12:28 PM

If you have clicked the link u would saw that Swype is also avaiable for N97 which has a hardware keyborad and resistive screen I think its just Nokia who still experiments to see how it works but little they know that Maemo communty is much more capable and willing to help the'. IMO if they really wanna push it and MeeGo is considered their future high end OS then they are doing it wrong

tissot

09-06-2010, 12:47 PM

I would think/hope that we would see swype in MeeGo at some point at least. Samsung and Nokia together invested $5.6 million (http://moconews.net/article/419-nokia-samsung-invest-in-swype-to-improve-typing-on-touchscreens/)to swype and while that's not huge amount of cash i'm sure Nokia wants to add it to it's future phones like what Samsung is now doing.

kinggo

09-06-2010, 03:19 PM

I miss good old HWR. This swype looks to be terribly slow way to input long words. New Zealand guys from Taumatawhakatangihangakoauauotamateapokaiwhenuakit anatahu would go crazy. :D :D

Uxi

09-06-2010, 03:44 PM

N900 needs it more. Symbian phones at least have T9

*Sonic*

09-06-2010, 04:11 PM

Swype works well on the N900 using Nitdroid :)

!!Nokia N900!!

11-02-2010, 04:26 AM

Is it possible to have Swype - Text Input For Screen in N900?

bunanson

11-02-2010, 04:37 AM

Yes. We have been using Swype since 8/2010. Where were you :) ?
Download from market and install. You have to pick the one with correct screen resolution though.

bun

rickysio

11-02-2010, 04:44 AM

Yes. We have been using Swype since 8/2010. Where were you :) ?
Download from market and install. You have to pick the one with correct screen resolution though.

bun

That's in NITDroid, not Maemo.

kamil365

11-02-2010, 05:02 AM

But he was asking about n900 specificly not the os so bun is right:)

!!Nokia N900!!

11-02-2010, 05:05 AM

But he was asking about n900 specificly not the os so bun is right:)

i was asking about Maemo since it is an official OS for N900 & not NITDroid.

retsaw

11-02-2010, 10:42 AM

Swype is closed source, so you'll have to ask whoever makes it.

droll

11-02-2010, 10:48 AM

it may be closed source but the patents by the IBM Almaden researcher is not. the patents detail how the swype algorithm work and would be a good basis for someone to pick up and implement something.

look for patent number 7,251,367 B2, filed Jul 31, 2007 (System and Method for Recognizing Word Patterns Based on a Virtual Keyboard Layout) and 7,453,439 B1, filed Nov 18, 2008 (System and Method for Continuous Stroke Word-Based Text Input).

good luck :)

rickysio

11-02-2010, 10:49 AM

Nokia IS one of Swype's sponsors though, so I expect to see it in MeeGo, but Maemo wise I'd say perish the thought, Nokia wouldn't do that much for us. :(

ZogG

11-02-2010, 10:54 AM

there are several threads on this topic and open tickets on swype website for support. as well there were several small talks of dev in twitter about maemo support, but nothing happened till now, so i would say swype devs don't really care. maybe meego would change the situation

!!Nokia N900!!

11-02-2010, 10:56 AM

what about maemo team?? i guess they can do something about it>

Bratag

11-02-2010, 11:08 AM

what about maemo team?? i guess they can do something about it>

How exactly - its closed source. If the swype team don't provide the source or a port its pretty much a dead issue.

HellFlyer

11-02-2010, 11:24 AM

Well we have a hardware keyboard so Swype is not that important but its pretty cool in action, if we didnt have it and this stupid vkb without any letters appearing (as in Opera's kb) than we were screwed :D

droll

11-02-2010, 11:31 AM

the vkb is quite useless to me. it has this weird "lag" to it that makes typing fast annoyingly painful.

as an alternative, maybe someone could ask shapewriter inc to do some work for our n900?

richwhite

11-02-2010, 11:33 AM

We don't even have a portrait keyboard and people are hopeful for swype?!

ZogG

01-11-2011, 03:24 AM

http://betalabs.nokia.com/apps/swype-for-symbian-brought-to-you-by-nokia/suggestion/19420/maemo5-support-better-later-than-nev

I have been led to believe that it is currently in the works...

Craig Arnush
Nokia Southwood
Swype Integration Technical Lead

dchky

01-11-2011, 05:11 AM

http://betalabs.nokia.com/apps/swype-for-symbian

So dying platform is getting this really nice feature and we dont :(
I think PR 1.2 vkb is just horrible

who should we contact? (council maybe?) to get this thing working on N900

Symbian is not dying, Nokia just dragged it all back in house.

I don't disagree that the virtual keyboard is not terribly good, I really do like swype, keep in mind Nokia didn't make it, historically the company that did (swype inc) only ever sold it to manufacturers and carriers, never to end users.

There are a few old threads kicking around in which people have toyed with the idea of replacing the virtual keyboard, but none have really ever progressed very far on the N900 unfortunately.

Who should you contact? The best place you can get answers from is at the source: info@swypeinc.com

I miss good old HWR. This swype looks to be terribly slow way to input long words.

Swype does work as a bog standard virtual keyboard, you don't have to drag your finger around making lines - I was skeptical at first, but it is pretty damn nice.

dhanurdhar

01-16-2011, 02:38 AM

flipalong

01-16-2011, 02:40 AM

+1 for this. i love using it in nitdroid, so fun! :D
its spelt swype by the way, with a y.
but your only option would probably be to email/ask the swype people to port it to maemo.

Wikiwide

01-16-2011, 02:46 AM

there is a function on many android phones and some of the nokias(5233 if im not mistaken)

on the virtual keyboard you can drag the stylus on the keyboard and it will recognize what word you are trying to write like a swipe word complete(dont know the technical term for it)

searched the forums and didnt seem to find this particular feature any where..
any chances it could be made available for the N900

thanks
Not-on-Linux
Android, iOS, Symbian, S60, Palm...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swype
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slideit#Availability
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ShapeWriter
http://www.exideas.com/ME/index.php

Try CellWriter, handwriting trainable input recognition for a change :)
him-cellwriter

Search on talk.maemo.org for instructions

eefo

01-16-2011, 02:22 PM

guyz could you please introduce that swype app for n900 too ?

realsportcars

01-16-2011, 02:23 PM

guyz could you please introduce that swype app for n900 too ?

How much you will pay??? (jk)
You are not the first person that ask for it...but it is not easy...

eefo

01-16-2011, 02:25 PM

lolx
do you guyz pay for the new app here ? :D

realsportcars

01-16-2011, 02:25 PM

lolx
do you guyz pay for the new app here ? :D

eheh apps are free but developers have to pay the bill and eat something

eefo

01-16-2011, 02:28 PM

hmmmmmm , agreed !
well let see what others have to say about it .
for sure we cant leave developers to pay from their own pockets

dhanurdhar

01-16-2011, 02:41 PM

haha
would have saved a lot of trouble if i knew the real name

thanks for the help guys
WIKIWIDE
trying out cell writer to see how it is and will get back to you....
cheers

sjgadsby

01-16-2011, 02:48 PM

The following threads have been merged into this thread:
"request to developers" (5 posts)
"[Maemo 5] [Request] Swype" (5 posts)
"Swype for Symbian why not Maemo/MeeGo" (13 posts)
"Can we get Swype - Text Input For Screen for N900?" (14 posts)
"Swype on N900. Is it possible?" (16 posts)
"[Request] Swype input method for maemo" (2 posts)
"Swype" (4 posts)

gerdich

01-16-2011, 03:22 PM

Swype is a very good application for android devices and tablets without hardware keyboard.

It is not fast enough for the n900.

I think there has to be introduced a method that is much faster.
You can't be very fast with drawing.
A fast input method has to work with rhythmic tapping and few fields on the screen.
Even the pressure sensibility of the screen could be used.

realsportcars

01-16-2011, 03:39 PM

A fast input method has to work with rhythmic tapping and few fields on the screen.
Even the pressure sensibility of the screen could be used.

What do you mean?

Wikiwide

01-16-2011, 05:38 PM

What do you mean?

Morse code?
:)

mattbutsko

01-16-2011, 11:21 PM

It is not fast enough for the n900.

This is nonsense.

gerdich

01-17-2011, 07:57 AM

On a good keyboard you can do 10 chars/second.
On the hardware keyboard of the n900 you can do 3-4 chars/second.
With drawing (palm graffiti or swype) you can do 1-2 chars/second.

There are different possiblities to implement rythmic tapping.

I'm thinking of an on-screen system with 5 chars/second:
Like an old handy: 9 fields on the screen (3x3)
You use 3 fingers.
Only landscape orientation is possible (place for fingers)

Each field has different meanings following to the rythm.
In a unit of 3: The first letter is considered as consonant, the second letter is considered as a vowel and the third is again a consonant.
In a unit of 2: The first letter is a consonant and the second a vowel.
If you want a syllable beginning with a voyel you have to use a unit of 3 beginning with a "blank" letter.

For.each class of letters (vowels or consonants) you have two sets of letters, depending of the pressure.
This means 18 vowels and 18 consonants.
The vowels include diphtongs.
For the consonant a third pressure mode is necessary to have enough consonants.

You are tapping with the hardware keyboard open.
The thumb of the other hand uses the keybord for mode changes (special characters) and the space bar.

T9 will be useless on that speed. The user interaction disturbes rythm and thinking of the writer.

At least 5 chars/second are necessary to take lecture notes.

(Another good solution could be a good joystick or multi button mouse, together with the use of the hardware keyboard.
Perhaps it could be better to use a 4x3 field on the screen. This would allow all consonants with only to levels of pressure.)

gerdich

01-17-2011, 08:57 AM

PS.: With Morse Code you can achieve until 6 chars/second.

efekt

01-17-2011, 10:53 AM

On a good keyboard you can do 10 chars/second.
10 characters a second? How? by using all your ten fingers simultaneously or your bionic hand?

gerdich

01-17-2011, 02:03 PM

I'm speaking about a professional external keyboard.
Yes! With 10 fingers naturally.
You can achieve even 15 characters/second.

realsportcars

01-17-2011, 02:18 PM

I'm speaking about a professional external keyboard.
Yes! With 10 fingers naturally.
You can achieve even 15 characters/second.

A kb must be usable in first place...also by "noob"...perhaps swype is not the fastest method but it is usable from everybody

gerdich

01-17-2011, 02:21 PM

The hardware keyboard is even easier to use.
And it is faster.

Why should I use swype on a n900?

Swype is a good software for Android.

realsportcars

01-17-2011, 02:24 PM

The hardware keyboard is even easier to use.
And it is faster.

Why should I use swype on a n900?

Swype is a good software for Android.

Because sometimes people need use only one hand or because they dislike open/close keyboard for write short message!

gerdich

01-17-2011, 02:28 PM

realsportcars

01-17-2011, 02:47 PM

It's true:
The hardware keyboard is very slow with one hand.

But Swype with only one hand?
How will you hold the n900.
Do you think that Swype will be faster with one hand than the hardware keyboard?

I never tried swype, but I love T9 for short message (In fact I created an app for this). And swype seems to be more fast than T9...Perhaps you are right: with only one hand swype could be hard to use, but you have to "paint" not press key, so (IMHO) it could be more easy than hw keyboard...

Spr33

01-24-2011, 07:15 PM

Apparently the Nokia C6 has swype...

http://www.twitvid.com/Z0YI9

nodevel

02-15-2011, 03:55 PM

sjgadsby

02-15-2011, 04:07 PM

I noticed Intel was showing Swype on their MeeGo tablet prototype at MWC (for example here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNMPYpHovjk)). When it runs on MeeGo, should't be possible to port it to Maemo?

Intel has license to distribute a binary with their tablet UX demo. That doesn't mean the source code is available.

Mentalist Traceur

05-26-2011, 09:52 PM

There's one key phrase in the swype on MeeGo tablet demo video here said by the guy giving the demo (it's also very possible that he's just got the concept wrong, and is wrong. After all it's just a demo rep, but still...):

"...we have an evaluation version available for MeeGo... uhhh... via OSS..."

Now there's only two abbreviations of OSS that I know of, and the only one that makes sense in context of software is Open Source Software (the other is Office of Strategic Services... is that a MeeGo relevant phrase?).