OrangeBox is a troll...and you are so wrong

[OrangeBox]

I start this thread to make sure that people understand my intentions / motives and hopefully keep reading my posts.

1. every community has good members, new members, old members, bad members and just any other combination of personality traits. I may post negative but I never attack people at the personal level. I criticize a lot to further the progression of the N900 and Maemo.
2. I am not a troll. People call me idiot, childish, immature, homosexual, ill-informed and many other things. Please, think twice because you post things like that.
3. searching is not the answer. I do some due diligence before posting, but I will not spend hours googling for some answer that I may never find. Posting on forums is faster.
4. I post a lot, criticize a lot and ask a lot of questions - all in the name of selfish furthering my knowledge of these technologies. If you have a problem with it, don't bother responding to me. You may call me a leech, but I guarantee you that over time I will answer more and ask less. Plus sometimes asking questions (obvious to some) may still be invaluable to others that would have never bothered asking unortodox questions.
5. I am no saint but nor are you. I have a thick skin but if you think that you have to enter into a fight with me "to feed the troll", don't bother. I am not posting to fight anyone.

[fatalsaint]

*sigh*.

It's your verbage OrangeBox. This thread could have been titled so many different things.. "My Intentions."... "An Explanation from OrangeBox".. "My personal Diatribe"... but instead you choose to make a thread that speaks to every individual that reads it.. and calls them "wrong".

Do you not see how something like that is akin to pouring gasoline all over the room and yourself... and then calling all your smoker buddies over for a poker party?

[mele]

Hello troll

[phreck]

sigh..............

[OrangeBox]

So a question for all of you: do trolls stick around? I may be the longest running troll here then or is troll just a fantasy synonym for d.ck, a..hole or some other pejorative name calling?

[fatalsaint]

Actually... yes (to the sticking around). Though I don't think I've personally ever actually called you a "troll".. but I *am* curious as to *why* you stick around when you have so many complaints about the way you're treated. It's seriously masochistic.

And did you even read/understand what I said in my post? Presentation is as much, if not more, important than what your thread is about.

[NvyUs]

this is like the boy who cried wolf, is last 5 threads have all been him trolling now he wants to convince us hes no troll lol

[dread123]

its the internet folks...people have differing opinions!!!
FCUK sake grow up..if you dont like his posts then dont read/reply to them simple as that!

[sjgadsby]

I may be the longest running troll here then...

Not even close, sorry.

[JayMontano]

All mentioned points seem fair. I haven't gone through all your posts but your latest thread was somewhat titled in a way that could understandably rile folks.

On searching for new posts - I'm well aware of forum mentality (not this one in particular) of having to search for posts. I don't go on tmo as much (though it's the only forum I frequent now) but all visits I've experienced, everyone's been really helpful.

In terms of my ideals of how "Search the forum" attitude:

When you're a newbie to a forum or new to the topic, you might not know the exact terms to search for so the search results don't appear.

If I were a long time member and know exactly what they're looking for, although I could tell a user to search for the post, since I've seen exactly what they're looking for, to save the hassle, I post the link myself. It's not about doing the "work" for someone else, but helping out. Though if told to search, I think it's nice enough that someone's bothered to reply.

Over time you could see them returning and becoming a more valued member that assists other newbies.

[OrangeBox]

Actually... yes. Though I don't think I've personally ever actually called you a "troll".. but I *am* curious as to *why* you stick around when you have so many complaints about the way you're treated. It's seriously masochistic.

And did you even read/understand what I said in my post? Presentation is as much, if not more, important than what your thread is about.

I am still here because the majority of the people here are good. I am still here to prove that there are things behind the curtain. You may be surprised if I revealed who I really was. My education, social status, purchasing power may be out of reach for many people on this forum.

Yes, I hear ya about the presentation argument and I give you that, but please consider that my threads, mostly thank by their catchy titles generate a lot of traffic. Sorry, but this is my style.

[daperl]

I may be the longest running troll here then...

Dec 2009? Impressive.

[gtessier00]

I start this thread to make sure that people understand my intentions / motives and hopefully keep reading my posts.

1. every community has good members, new members, old members, bad members and just any other combination of personality traits. I may post negative but I never attack people at the personal level. I criticize a lot to further the progression of the N900 and Maemo.
2. I am not a troll. People call me idiot, childish, immature, homosexual, ill-informed and many other things. Please, think twice because you post things like that.
3. searching is not the answer. I do some due diligence before posting, but I will not spend hours googling for some answer that I may never find. Posting on forums is faster.
4. I post a lot, criticize a lot and ask a lot of questions - all in the name of selfish furthering my knowledge of these technologies. If you have a problem with it, don't bother responding to me. You may call me a leech, but I guarantee you that over time I will answer more and ask less. Plus sometimes asking questions (obvious to some) may still be invaluable to others that would have never bothered asking unortodox questions.
5. I am no saint but nor are you. I have a thick skin but if you think that you have to enter into a fight with me "to feed the troll", don't bother. I am not posting to fight anyone.

We don't bother if people post negative stuff here. The problem comes when someone starts threads like ''only 30% of the cost of the N900 is actually for the real thing'', which would mean that 70% is a pure waste of money? You got to think twice too before talking!
Also, think that you're on a forum of N900 fans and you don't seem to be one. Why do you keep posting negative stuff? There are plenty of forums on the net, just get one that reflects your opinions and tell what you want on it.
Posting negative stuff here is like going on a Honda forum, and tell that their cars never work properly...

[NvyUs]

orange box is Prince Harry WORLD exclusive

[fatalsaint]

You may be surprised if I revealed who I really was. My education, social status, purchasing power may be out of reach for many people on this forum.
Quite honestly.. I'm unimpressed, as none of this is relevant to.. well anything. Unless you plan to purchase me my own N900 - hell.. I'll thank every post you ever make.


Yes, I hear ya about the presentation argument and I give you that, but please consider that my threads, mostly thank by their catchy titles generate a lot of traffic. Sorry, but this is my style.

Do you realize what you just said? You basically just admitted that you intentionally create things to piss people off, just to drive traffic to your thread, and then you're somehow surprised when you get attacked?

So, you want some fish. Instead of going fishing, like the rest of the world, you instead enjoy walking up to a bear who has just caught his own.. and continuously poke him with a stick.

I'll admit.. it does get you attention.. but then there is no need for this thread: It's attention you're seeking, it's attention you're getting - just because the attention you're getting is completely proportional to the way to seek it is not something worthy of complaining about.

[Sopwith]

...People call me idiot, childish, immature, homosexual, ill-informed and many other things...

The best description I have seen was attention whore (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=437756&highlight=attention+whore#post437756).

So true.

[OrangeBox]

Do you realize what you just said? You basically just admitted that you intentionally create things to piss people off, just to drive traffic to your thread, and then you're somehow surprised when you get attacked?.

I don't remember saying anything like that (ie to intentionally piss people off). If you can post the same thing with two titles (one boring and the other one controversial or provocative) everything else being the same, I will choose latter.

[OrangeBox]

The best description I have seen was attention whore (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=437756&highlight=attention+whore#post437756).

So true.
Why would I want attention from anony random people? I post not because I am counting how many people ends up replying. It is the hypocricy of people who actually participate in my threads that amazes me.

[fatalsaint]

*sigh*.

I am sorry OrangeBox... for it is quite obvious I have failed you.

I shall take my leave of this discussion. Be well, good sir.

[JayMontano]

You may be surprised if I revealed who I really was. My education, social status, purchasing power may be out of reach for many people on this forum

Intriguing.

What is your education and profession that you have such high purchasing power. No seriously, I'm interested.

[NvyUs]

If you can post the same thing with two titles (one boring and the other one controversial or provocative) everything else being the same, I will choose latter.
this post here by you is proof its attention seeking why would you want to chose provocative and controversial over having liberal approach if its not for attention.

[gtessier00]

We're not here to contest each other, we're here to talk about maemo and N900

[phreck]

Stop feeding the troll

[vins]

It's a good start.then again, I have not seen any intention of you towards anything good for this forum or maemo in general. CMIIW. I'm not saint either. And the way you stubbornly defend something wrong like the way you did is not generally acceptable. People would empathize if you're really use good words and have good deeds

[OrangeBox]

It's a good start.then again, I have not seen any intention of you towards anything good for this forum or maemo in general.

I'm afraid that you've already made up your mind. Look up some of my posts. I believe that you'll find plenty that are complimentary or non-negative about the device or the os.

[Croc]

You may be surprised if I revealed who I really was. My education, social status, purchasing power may be out of reach for many people on this forum.


OH WOW YOU ARE SO SPECIAL :rolleyes:

[gtessier00]

OH WOW YOU ARE SO SPECIAL :rolleyes:

Priceless!!!

[OrangeBox]

OH WOW YOU ARE SO SPECIAL :rolleyes:
On the contrary. All I'm saying is that if I came back tomorrow with a new name like BlueBox it wouldn't matter. Most people here hide behind anonimity which is good because ideas can flow without prejudice.

Would it change anything if I was a 75 yo Chinese man in pyjamas or a 16 yo adolescent? I guess no, but let's hear it.

[Bratag]

I am still here because the majority of the people here are good. I am still here to prove that there are things behind the curtain. You may be surprised if I revealed who I really was. My education, social status, purchasing power may be out of reach for many people on this forum.

Yes, I hear ya about the presentation argument and I give you that, but please consider that my threads, mostly thank by their catchy titles generate a lot of traffic. Sorry, but this is my style.

If you revealed yourself as anything other than one of the following I would be very surprised.

1) older than 20
2) living outside your parents house
3) employed
4) a non troll like humanoid.

People who feel the need to boast about their status,money, penis size etc on forums are almost always trying to compensate.

The best thing you could do to convince us you are some basement dwelling putz woud be to stop posting pointless threads that either contribute nothing or worse abuse the community. You keep saying you get that but your continued posts show that is not the case.

Anyhooo some mod recently posted how to ignore people so for me the issue of your being on the forums is now closed

[Devil]

I start this thread to make sure that people understand my intentions / motives and hopefully keep reading my posts.

1. every community has good members, new members, old members, bad members and just any other combination of personality traits. I may post negative but I never attack people at the personal level. I criticize a lot to further the progression of the N900 and Maemo.
2. I am not a troll. People call me idiot, childish, immature, homosexual, ill-informed and many other things. Please, think twice because you post things like that.
3. searching is not the answer. I do some due diligence before posting, but I will not spend hours googling for some answer that I may never find. Posting on forums is faster.
4. I post a lot, criticize a lot and ask a lot of questions - all in the name of selfish furthering my knowledge of these technologies. If you have a problem with it, don't bother responding to me. You may call me a leech, but I guarantee you that over time I will answer more and ask less. Plus sometimes asking questions (obvious to some) may still be invaluable to others that would have never bothered asking unortodox questions.
5. I am no saint but nor are you. I have a thick skin but if you think that you have to enter into a fight with me "to feed the troll", don't bother. I am not posting to fight anyone.

totally misunderstood you. you are such a great guy. everybody read this thread carefully. this is very important. do not get this guy wrong.

[Texrat]

Not even close, sorry.

lol... ah, the good old days... :D

[krisse]

You may be surprised if I revealed who I really was. My education, social status, purchasing power may be out of reach for many people on this forum.

You post statements like that and then expect people to believe you're not a troll?

[jebba]

I start this thread to make sure that people understand my intentions / motives and hopefully keep reading my posts.

You've developed a bad reputation for yourself and you blame others for it.

You say trolls don't stick around, but many do. That's hardly proof you're not trolling.

I've checked out a few of your posts and found them worthless. After this post I'm going to figure out how to ignore you on talk so your posts don't keep coming up in my face--it seems like I've seen a dozen in the last day.

Your posts to thanks ratio explains a lot.

Start a new nick, perhaps, and treat others better and you will do better.

-Jeff
http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba

[deadmalc]

This message is hidden because OrangeBox is on your ignore list.

I wish he would stop posting the same comment

[geneven]

I have nothing against you, but it amazes me that you are educated. I don't find your posts particularly intelligent or sophisticated. Why don't you tell us what college you went to and what you majored in so we know what to avoid?

[skalogre]

I wish he would stop posting the same comment

I noticed that, too! Such repetition :D

Now if only there was a way to have threads ignored if initiated by a user on the ignore list...

[derhorst]

What a pathetic self-dramatisation :rolleyes:
Why aren't these kinds of threads locked?

[Texrat]

What a pathetic self-dramatisation :rolleyes:
Why aren't these kinds of threads locked?

Entertainment value?

[yorg]

For what is worth orangebox, for your own sake, you better be a troll

Under no circumstance did I ever see anyone responding so selectively that wasn't a troll and I've been using the net since 1992

Considering the amount of attention you got, you are not a very bad one but nothing special either

Keen participants of forums should be able to fend you off easily



Of course if you are not a troll then you are better off not posting at all.

For either you are clearly not able to understand the simplest concepts or you pretend not to.

Finally, to me, this topic is another clear indication that you are just a troll that didn't get enough attention the first time, thus had to beg for more.

[derhorst]

Entertainment value?

Sure, but in a mean way. The thread starter makes an idiot of himself. Some people should be protected from themselves. It's not nice to have such threads imo. It's kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy. A nice community might be pushed to a flamefest.

[phreck]

for the record, im pretty sure that the person posting as devil is the same toolbag posting as orangebox.

just sayin....

[RevdKathy]

*Checks url*

Yep, it still says 'Talk.maemo.org. Thought for a minute there I'd fetched up at 'talk.orangebox.org'.

You know what? it's not all about you. Can we get back to discussing maemo now please?

[phreck]

*Checks url*

Yep, it still says 'Talk.maemo.org. Thought for a minute there I'd fetched up at 'talk.orangebox.org'.

You know what? it's not all about you. Can we get back to discussing maemo now please?


high five.

[zwer]

I noticed that, too! Such repetition :D

Now if only there was a way to have threads ignored if initiated by a user on the ignore list...
Well, there is... If you use FF and have Greasemonkey installed, this little script will get you rid of OrangeBox for sure (except from the 'Active Topics' list as it doesn't state who is the OP): http://www.topflashers.com/maemo/misc/removetrolls.maemo.user.js

I wanted to wait to get my N900 before joining the community (although I've been following this forum since August), so it's a shame that my first post here is about ignoring an attention whore, but I'd like to think that it's an investment in the future...

[jebba]

Well, there is... If you use FF and have Greasemonkey installed, this little script will get you rid of OrangeBox for sure (except from the 'Active Topics' list as it doesn't state who is the OP): http://www.topflashers.com/maemo/misc/removetrolls.maemo.user.js

Cool, how do you add multiple users to it? I didn't look at it much except to see orangebox was hardwired into it.

Thanks!

-Jeff

[OrangeBox]

Cool, how do you add multiple users to it? I didn't look at it much except to see orangebox was hardwired into it.

Thanks!

-Jeff
Don't bother. You know how many people said that before you and they're always back. People like my threads even if they hate them.

[qwerty12]

Well, there is... If you use FF and have Greasemonkey installed, this little script will get you rid of OrangeBox for sure (except from the 'Active Topics' list as it doesn't state who is the OP): http://www.topflashers.com/maemo/misc/removetrolls.maemo.user.js

I wanted to wait to get my N900 before joining the community (although I've been following this forum since August), so it's a shame that my first post here is about ignoring an attention whore, but I'd like to think that it's an investment in the future...

Please start a new thread for this so that I can Thank! you. Brilliant first post, BTW.

[zwer]

Cool, how do you add multiple users to it? I didn't look at it much except to see orangebox was hardwired into it.

Thanks!

-Jeff
Ok, it now accepts a comma-delimited list of trolls to ignore and live happily ever after. OrangeBox is still hardwired as a default ;)

[fatalsaint]

Zwer.... I have a feeling you'll fit *right* in :D.

[eyn]

Quite honestly.. I'm unimpressed, as none of this is relevant to.. well anything. Unless you plan to purchase me my own N900 - hell.. I'll thank every post you ever make.



Do you realize what you just said? You basically just admitted that you intentionally create things to piss people off, just to drive traffic to your thread, and then you're somehow surprised when you get attacked?

So, you want some fish. Instead of going fishing, like the rest of the world, you instead enjoy walking up to a bear who has just caught his own.. and continuously poke him with a stick.

I'll admit.. it does get you attention.. but then there is no need for this thread: It's attention you're seeking, it's attention you're getting - just because the attention you're getting is completely proportional to the way to seek it is not something worthy of complaining about.

laughed my arse off... good one... I was looking at his point of view, until he sprang the "Do you know how great I'm" bit

[lohiaprateek]

this thread = EPIC FAIL!!

[OrangeBox]

this thread = EPIC FAIL!!
Thanks for stating the obvious. Now it really is a magnificient fail.

[gerbick]

I won't even label you a troll. I would label you a rabble-rouser where it's not even needed.

You can dispute the N900 and still be civil - at least, that's my goal. But to have no real experience to stand on, you're just spouting out "hey, look at me" basically.

Any particular reason why you wish to continue down this path instead of gathering some real information and presenting a real stance/opinion based on usage and experience as opposed to overheard conversations and weak links to websites that would support darn near anything that you've stated?

Just wondering... what are you getting out of it?

[OrangeBox]

This is my blog. Don't bother reading it. I will not start other new threads as long as the community plays by my rules here.

This is my slice of the web. My universe. If you participate here, you are welcome. If you just read me, that's fine too. If you're a troll wannabe and need training, pop in as well.

Should I wake up with a headache then all bets are off. For the time being I will start with an easy topic: rules of engagement here.

1. don't try to impress me
2. don't sugarcoat your opinion; spill it out let me hear it
3. if you're a Nokia fanboy, go somewhere else
4. if you violate my rules I will retaliate

[ccc1]

bla bla bla

haha ... oh wow. :D
get a life, orangebox.

[floffe]

I hope you're aware that by stating that violations of "your rules" may well lead to people egging you on trying to get you banned.

[OrangeBox]

I hope you're aware that by stating that violations of "your rules" may well lead to people egging you on trying to get you banned.
as I said this is my blog. rules can change at a whip. take it or leave it.

[ccc1]

as I said this is my blog. rules can change at a whip. take it or leave it.

or how about getting laid? maybe then you'll stop spamming. :D

[OrangeBox]

Topic 2: looks are everything and looks are nothing, like the iPhone and the N900. Or trolls and Orangebox. Nokia and Apple fanboys are like religious bigots.

[pwngu!n]

I think you're mistaken. This is not your personal blog. I'm pretty sure this is a place to contribute, but in all the threads I've seen you in I haven't seen you contribute anything...

[ccc1]

Topic 3: Helping OrangeBox to get a life.

[OrangeBox]

I think you're mistaken. This is not your personal blog. I'm pretty sure this is a place to contribute, but in all the threads I've seen you in I haven't seen you contribute anything...
cool, so random people are thanking me for nothing

[OrangeBox]

Topic 3: Helping OrangeBox to get a life.
OrangeBox's life is near perfect. Living with his lovely wife AppleBox and their 1 year old PearBoxlet, working in OrangeOffice working for the man aka OrangeBox.

[ccc1]

OrangeBox's life is near perfect.

yeah, sure :D

[OrangeBox]

I hate when companies make the same mistakes over and over and over again. Nokia is no exception. You can read these forums here and see it for yourself.

Apple is certainly not an angel either. Some people claim that they will lose the fight for dominance in the smartphone scene. I disagree.

Google is too big and it definitely will be probed and sued and end eventually forced to break up.

[OrangeBox]

yeah, sure :D
you missed the orange box from the table dude

[Reggie]

OrangeBox threads merged.

[ccc1]

This is my blog. Don't bother reading it. I will not start other new threads as long as the community plays by my rules here.
[...]
4. if you violate my rules I will retaliate

that's just too funny.:D

[OrangeBox]

OrangeBox threads merged.
This was basically a very direct violation of my rules. Did I not offer a reasonable compromise? What was wrong with an OrangeBox thread?

Duh, let's go back and start posting again separate threads.

[sjgadsby]

This was basically a very direct violation of my rules.

This isn't your site. You don't make the rules. I've warned you privately, and now I'll warn you publicly: stop spamming the fora with your inane threads and do not threaten the site or its users.

[OrangeBox]

People need to be aware that this forum is a fully moderated one. Posts disappear, threads get merged, moved, yet when people are calling other people names that's apparently OK.

[OrangeBox]

This isn't your site. You don't make the rules. I've warned you privately, and now I'll warn you publicly: stop spamming the fora with your inane threads and do not threaten the site or its users.
Oh, and who has the IP to a thread started? You have the ultimate weapon of banning me and I can always return ad infinitum.

[floffe]

This was basically a very direct violation of my rules.
Admins make the rules on a forum, with all the time you've spent on them you must be aware of that. Of course, the community at large can influence the rules but by reasoned argument rather than "X will apply in this thread".



Ok, I was a bit late. So sue me (or have OrangeBox do it ;))

[ccc1]

I can always return ad infinitum.

are you sure that you have a life? :D

[OrangeBox]

are you sure that you have a life? :D
This is entertainment at its best. Wouldn't trade it for HBO.

[phreck]

i would. now shut the **** up.

[OrangeBox]

i would. now shut the **** up.
this is my thread winner. jump out

[derhorst]

Wow, this is bizarre. This board is going nuts. How can you feed a troll so much? Even troll hunters are spawning threads to "fight" the troll. Don't you all have a family to spend Christmas with? Wield the banhammer and STFU :rolleyes:

[geneven]

People need to be aware that this forum is a fully moderated one. Posts disappear, threads get merged, moved, yet when people are calling other people names that's apparently OK.

And my comment after this one disappeared entirely.

God save the Queen/the fascist regime

[sjgadsby]

And my comment after this one disappeared entirely.

Interesting. There's no deleted post there. Might you have somehow missed submitting it?

[phreck]

this is my thread winner. jump out

yea. im done even pretending to be civil. stop wssting ****ing bandwidth with your ****tarded mindset and useless posts.

i came to these forums to learn and hopefully contribute, not see your layman interpretation of the N900 and its flaws/strengths. youre probably one of the smartest trolls ive seen around here as far as tactics go, and if youre not doing it on purpose then you sir are a social ******. im really hoping thats the case. anyhow, ****off and good riddance.

/ignore

[retsam]

narcist. nothing more, nothing less. this guy wouldn't see the truth even when he's said it himself. iphone users are delusional, internet nerds and trolls are narcists. so here I am pouring more gasoline to the fire. :P

[freppas]

OK mate, honestly, who goes around telling people that he probably earns more than them and has a better education for no reason at all, and then follows it up by stating that a thread on a forum is his own and lays down the rules of what mus essentially be described as war???

Please try to keep the discussion civilized eh.

You say you choose the topics to get traffic so that you get answers, what exactly do you want answered in this thread?

[aspidites]

I'm almost inclined to put in a brainstorm that suggests we change this site from talk.maemo.org to talk.orangebox.org. While I can certainly understand the "if you don't like it, don't reply" mentality, it isn't really fair when we aren't given other options. Consider this analogy:

A group of vegetarians are marooned on a barren, desert island overpopulated by animals. They are starving, but they complain about there only being animals to eat. One could argue that they can stop complaining and just eat the plants they find, but with the infrequency at which they stumble upon foliage. Can you truly be that offended when said vegetarians try to correct the problem of over-population in order to stimulate growth for something that is more in-keeping with their culture?

Failing understanding the above analogy, let me (re)introduce you to a technical programmers are familiar with: duck-typing. If it looks like a duck, talks, like a duck, etc, it's a duck. Therefore, you can only expect to be treated like an "immature, arrogant, troll" until you stop exhibiting behavior that helps classify you as such . Another thought: as much as you apparently strive for attention, perhaps your name should have been BlackHole and not OrangeBox?


Frustrations aside, I generally don't make such public criticisms of an individual, but considering this topic is all about you, I dare say that it is on topic.

[borland]

you post too many comments I cannot read em all.

[aironeous]

This stupid arse thread gets more attention then what we should be paying attention to like
first impression threads
game port threads
why is adobe monopoly on flash 10 tolerated threads
ui improvement suggestion threads
bug threads
optified or not app threads
Come on guys.... ignore iphone distraction threads and lets get on with it making this a better device.
I paid 550 for this, lets get on with discussing how to improve it. Ignore Iphone closed source locked down view.

[yorg]

step 1: stop replying to it,
step 2: warn new people of it

outcome: it will go away

it is simple, guys

[Texrat]

step 1: stop replying to it,
step 2: warn new people of it

outcome: it will go away

it is simple, guys

The irony is that everyone offering that advice is contributing to the thing they want stopped.

And really, that advice only works in theory. Not once in around 15 years of visiting and moderating forums have I ever seen it actually work. If "troll warriors" don't bump the threads, the troll/attention-seeker will.

The only thing I've ever seen work is repetitive nuking. Ultimately a troublemaker will move on.

[mullf]

Ultimately a troublemaker will move on.

Or die of old age.

[Texrat]

Heh. Funny guy.

There is another subtle tactic that can work, and some people in these Boxy threads have been using it. Let's see if anyone can figure it out. :D

[yorg]

The irony is that everyone offering that advice is contributing to the thing they want stopped.

I don't really care if it stops or not, but how exactly am I contributing? Just curious.

And really, that advice only works in theory. Not once in around 15 years of visiting and moderating forums have I ever seen it actually work. If "troll warriors" don't bump the threads, the troll/attention-seeker will.

The only thing I've ever seen work is repetitive nuking. Ultimately a troublemaker will move on.

You have been visiting and moderating forums for around 15 years? With what? Gopher? And you have THAT advice to give? I am a bit sceptical of that.

[Svengalis]

Mods:

Feature request: ability to block threads by creator.

TYVM. Happy holidays.

[deadmalc]

OrangeBox threads merged.

lmfao seriously reggie? there was more than one thread!
you could charge people to view this thread...
can we beat the n900 delivery delayed threads?

[Texrat]

I don't really care if it stops or not, but how exactly am I contributing? Just curious.

You bumped the thread, didn't you?

You have been visiting and moderating forums for around 15 years? With what? Gopher? And you have THAT advice to give? I am a bit sceptical of that.

I was using the internet for US department of defense purposes in the late 80s to early 90s before the web was rolled out. AOL and Compuserve also predate the web as we know it; I was an AOL moderator and heavy Compuserve user way, way back. Also used bulletin boards in the good old days.

And I'm curious as to why you don't understand the truth and value in what I said. Maybe missing the irony explains it, though.

[phreck]

**** that ****. i humped the usenets via The Well in Marin back in the day. Lynx and Pine all up in my Mac IIsi. AOL was too cool for me.

[yorg]

You bumped the thread, didn't you?

And? How would I communicate the information I had? Start a new thread?

And I'm curious as to why you don't understand the truth and value in what I said. Maybe missing the irony explains it, though.

Because IMHO there is none. As I said I have never seen a flame war ending up in the troll going away and I have been into Newsgroups (moderated and non moderated) since 92.

Thus the term "don't feed the troll"

[Texrat]

And? How would I communicate the information I had? Start a new thread?

Yorg, do you understand what irony is?

Because IMHO there is none. As I said I have never seen a flame war ending up in the troll going away and I have been into Newsgroups (moderated and non moderated) since 92.

Thus the term "don't feed the troll"

Ok. You're missing the point, but I'm not going to argue with you. That would just be more ironic. ;)

[mullf]

There is another subtle tactic that can work, and some people in these Boxy threads have been using it. Let's see if anyone can figure it out. :D

Be more annoying than him, so he'll move on to somewhere else where he can be top dog?

[Texrat]

Be more annoying than him, so he'll move on to somewhere else where he can be top dog?

lol... no no. Not at all.

[Texrat]

Mods:

Feature request: ability to block threads by creator.

TYVM. Happy holidays.

Vote! http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/proposed_talk_forum_redesign_for_2010/?solution=add_filtering_options_based_on_other_met adata_not_mentioned_in_solution1

[yorg]

Texrat, I understand irony well. You don't understand that simply you have a different notion of what "feeding a troll" is to what I have. IMO, "bumping" the thread it started isn't feeding it, as I am not replying to it, but rather giving helpful advice to others on how to make it stop and make this, its last thread.

I don't understand why you think I would argue with you. Maybe because of your subtle attemt to insult me? I have been around way to long to byte that. :D

[Devil]

i agree to the repetitive nuking solution.

that just sounds cool. well what did i expect from the kentucky guy.

[Texrat]

Texrat, I understand irony well. You don't understand that simply you have a different notion of what "feeding a troll" is to what I have. IMO, "bumping" the thread it started isn't feeding it, as I am not replying to it, but rather giving helpful advice to others on how to make it stop and make this, its last thread.

I don't understand why you think I would argue with you. Maybe because of your subtle attemt to insult me? I have been around way to long to byte that. :D

I wasn't attempting to insult you at all. I was just perplexed by your replies. Still am. Especially since you don't get why thread bumping is certainly a means of feeding a troll (or, in this case, attention-seeker). And yes, I'm well aware of the irony in my own bumps... but I have another agenda going. Just waiting for mullf to identify it. :D

[mullf]

Your lack of job has lead you to go insane and develop an orange personality?

[Texrat]

No, I've been employed since July. Where have you been?

[mullf]

Not paying close enough attention to the details of your life, apparently. :p

[yorg]

Texrat, for the last time, I understand what you mean. I just don't agree with it and I explained why. It is not my fault you don't understand, don't acknowledge, or don't agree with my explanation. :rolleyes:

oh and if it was going to be banned, it would have been already.

[Texrat]

Texrat, for the last time, I understand what you mean. I just don't agree with it and I explained why. It is not my fault you don't understand, don't acknowledge, or don't agree with my explanation. :rolleyes:

oh and if it was going to be banned, it would have been already.

I can tell by your replies, though, that something isn't clicking. But maybe that is MY fault and again, I'm not gonna argue.

However, I'd love to see at least one example of where there really was a simple, effective solution to trolling or spamming, especially ignoring being that simple solution. I just have not once seen it actually work. I have, however, seen persistent thread deletion and banning ultimately succeed-- despite the usual resilience of offenders. Sooner or later the work/reward ratio doesn't cut it and they find another haunt.

I've seen thread refactoring work, too... until someone naively resurrects the original "point"... :rolleyes:

[Texrat]

Not paying close enough attention to the details of your life, apparently. :p

I'm revoking your fan club membership.

[mullf]

I'm revoking your fan club membership.

NO!!!! I've already gotten a rat tatoo on my a s s!!!!!!!

[Texrat]

NO!!!! I've already gotten a rat tatoo on my a s s!!!!!!!

Yes, and as the club president keeps telling you, it is NOT a reimbursible expense.

We will gladly, however, sandpaper your @$$ until the offending thing is gone.

[HangLoose]

Clearly we are deviating from the thread topic... ;)
Can we close this for good?

[mullf]

How 'bout them Washington Redskins?

[yorg]

However, I'd love to see at least one example of where there really was a simple, effective solution to trolling or spamming, especially ignoring being that simple solution. I just have not once seen it actually work. I have, however, seen persistent thread deletion and banning ultimately succeed-- despite the usual resilience of offenders. Sooner or later the work/reward ratio doesn't cut it and they find another haunt.

Banning works, I agree, but as I said, it doesn't seem to be an option as mods here seem to be tolerating the troll.

I am not sure how I can show you "one example" of a troll leaving after being killfiled by everyone in a NG. I have seen it done hundreds of times in newsnet. I am surprised you haven't but I am not going to call you a liar.

I've seen thread refactoring work, too... until someone naively resurrects the original "point"... :rolleyes:

Hard to be done when there's no point though, don't you agree? ;)

[Texrat]

Clearly we are deviating from the thread topic... ;)
Can we close this for good?

The deviation is intentional. :p

[mullf]

My head is pointy.

[Texrat]

My head is pointy.

Clearly an evolutionary advantage for hat fans.

[mullf]

http://www.besse.at/sms/descent.html

[Texrat]

Creationism isn't a theory. :p

[HangLoose]

The deviation is intentional. :p
Oh come on.. I was also being ironic :P
I bet its my accent that made it difficult to get it...

[Texrat]

Oh come on.. I was also being ironic :P
I bet its my accent that made it difficult to get it...

Maybe if you talked slower. I'm old and hard of hearing.

[phreck]

I'm revoking your fan club membership.

wtf, there is a fanclub?!

[mullf]

wtf, there is a fanclub?!

Paypal $35 to me, and I'll send you your membership card!

[phreck]

Oh, right, ill do that straight away.

[mullf]

It comes with a hologram of the Rat, naked, for authenticity!

[Texrat]

Damn, there are still copies of that out there?

I'm firing an attorney.

[fatalsaint]

Creationism isn't a theory. :p

Correct... it and Intelligent Design are facts... just ask The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster ('http://www.venganza.org/').

[fatalsaint]

It comes with a hologram of the Rat, naked, for authenticity!

Does it show the birthmark?!?! :D

[maxximuscool]

FUCCCCCK SAKE just stop commenting and lock this thread down already. Seriously 129 post (including me) just stupid. Why are we attacking one of our fellow members. We are all in this together guys. Who'd cares if he said a little too much sometimes. But common, this forum is for everyone to communicate and to find help when needed. Not to cyber attacking one another.

Common guys.. Grow up, no hard feeling okay. It's CHRISTMAS damn it.

[fatalsaint]

FUCCCCCK SAKE just stop commenting and lock this thread down already. Seriously 129 post (including me) just stupid. Why are we attacking one of our fellow members. We are all in this together guys. Who'd cares if he said a little too much sometimes. But common, this forum is for everyone to communicate and to find help when needed. Not to cyber attacking one another.

Common guys.. Grow up, no hard feeling okay. It's CHRISTMAS damn it.

I'm sorry.. the topic you wanted was about 5 pages back. We have moved on to Texrat's fan club and Creationism now.

Please, try and keep up ;).

[maxximuscool]

hahaha sorry, was a little tipsy on Wine. Yeah just create a new thread about Textrat's fan club would be better. Instead of seeing "Orangebox is a troll ... blah blah" title. Lol

Anyway, Merry Xmas to ya'll brothers and babes (females)

[OrangeBox]

People you are crazy fighting with each other. That's not what this thread is about. This thread is to provide a contrasting, critical, subjective view about the N900.

Whoever labeled me as an attention seeker, didn't read me properly. I don't care if you read me or not. I also kept my side of the bargain: I don't start new threads.

Back to the N900. I own one for almost three weeks now (ask the mods to verify the browser sig). I like the thing, but I didn't get blown away. It is OK, but imo overpriced.

My current frustration is the browser being slow over wifi too. It is slow to my standards. May be ok for people who come from an S60 or have no high expectations. The back button takes 5-10 seconds to complete, same is rendering a moderately complex page. It is slow.

[OrangeBox]

Why is it that sometimes tapping on a hyperlink produces a click sound, but it doesn't get underlined and doesn't take me to the destination of the link?

[NvyUs]

orangepox is back better hurry and hit the ignore buttons

[OrangeBox]

The next smartphone OS war will be waged between Android and iPhone OS. They both already have a decent developer, carrier and user base behind them. Android started to pop up in tablets, set top boxes and other devices. iPhone has tons of apps already written to it and an almost religios fanbase supporting it.

People who would't want the vendor lock-in (more precisely vendor addiction) can choose to be sheep in Steve Jobs' herd. It is good to belong. It is good to have stability and usability at the expense of reduced complexity. The mass populace will line up buying these devices for the foreseeable future.

Maemo while a good concept is just another linux distro. Without Nokia's proprietary code it counts for not too much. Same is true for Android, however it has already been customized by third parties. Maemo is like iPhone OS: *nix based with proprietary code that no other company but the originator will modify.

At the end I believe that Google will take the price. It has deep pockets, can choose to invest billions into getting advertising platforms into the hands of future Google phone users.

Ultimately, Google will give away these phones for free. Then it will provide free data services. It will disrupt the whole industry, much like the iPhone did it in 2007.

[mullf]

And it'll be able to read your mind!!!

[OrangeBox]

The reason why the iPhone is a mass success and the N900 is not (yet maybe?) is because Mr. Jobs is like me: a ruthless critic. He goes hard on his developers and engineers and nags them until they get things done right. Less functionality let them focus on fewer things and they can polish it to the ultimate usability. It also means less features to support. He is unforgiving when it comes to the user experience. No exception. If something takes an extra click to accomplish, it must be simplified. That's why the iPhone just works.

[NvyUs]

did anyone watch the Dr Who Xmas Special yesterday, i really liked it, i'm surprised at the negative response on the fan forums last night

[OrangeBox]

The iPhone 3GS is currently behind the N900 when it comes to hardware specs. Same CPU, but less RAM, worse radio, camera, screen and most other hardware item.

BUT, and it's a big but: where the hardware lacks, the software makes up for it big time. It doesn't mean that the iPhone developers are smarter than that of the N900. It means that Apple is using its marketing prowess well to convince peop that they want to be part of the success. People like to be associated with successful things. The app market is also more homogenous than the S40/S60v3/S60v5/Maemo landscape. Being a developer for Apple means that (for 80 percent of the time) you write an app and can sell it to the original iPhone, 3G and 3GS crowds with little extra effort. It also means that the marketability of the finished app is streamlined on the app store. There are literally hundreds of companies making their living off of $5 apps.

Nokia needs to transition off of the S60 platform FAST. It shouldn't wait until the Android and iPhone saturation reaches a point where it becomes a no-brainer for a would be developer to pick a platform. Nokia, hear me? Whatever it takes, get your software side of things together, simplify your offerings and put up a good fight should you plan to stay relevant. And lastly, whoever wins the heart (and $$$) of Americans will dominate.

[OrangeBox]

did anyone watch the Dr Who Xmas Special yesterday, i really liked it, i'm surprised at the negative response on the fan forums last night
No, sorry what's the synposis?

[NvyUs]

whoever wins the heart (and $$$) of Americans will dominate.
really?
symbian as dominated for years without ever winning over america and its set for a massive overhaul in 2010 to make it even more so appealing.

[ossipena]

And lastly, whoever wins the heart (and $$$) of Americans will dominate.

thanks for this. now we all can be 110% sure that you can be ignored and the outcome will be positive (read: less false data from the internets)

[OrangeBox]

really?
symbian as dominated for years without ever winning over america and its set for a massive overhaul in 2010 to make it even more so appealing.
I disagree. Symbian is not a smartphone OS. The N95 with v3 doesn't come close to 3G and N97 with v5 is no match to 3GS. The UI is dated, the browser is no match to Safari.

[HangLoose]

People who would't want the vendor lock-in (more precisely vendor addiction) can choose to be sheep in Steve Jobs' herd. It is good to belong. It is good to have stability and usability at the expense of reduced complexity. The mass populace will line up buying these devices for the foreseeable future.

Agreed... But lets not forget that the same way Apple disrupted the industry with iPhone, Nokia has the same chance in doing so when M6 comes out... Everything is lining in this direction,Qt+Ovi, and IMHO they have a very good chance in regaining the lost ground when M6 eventually comes out. Of course, other vendors are not standing still and Nokia is taking forever to implement the changes... So everything better come out clean and fast.


Maemo while a good concept is just another linux distro. Without Nokia's proprietary code it counts for not too much. Same is true for Android, however it has already been customized by third parties. Maemo is like iPhone OS: *nix based with proprietary code that no other company but the originator will modify.

Hmm.. Same can be said about Symbian but still vendors tried doing that and it worked very well for some time.

Nokia maybe has interest in seeing other vendors adopting Maemo and for sure, if it is their intention, it will provide help.

Dunno if you saw, but there is a device in France, if I am not mistaken, that already uses Maemo. Modified UI but still...
http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/08/optima-op5-e-resurfaces-with-english-os-gets-lengthy-video-revi/

So no one actually knows how this will play out... Nokia mentioned that was caught by surprise with the amount of positive reaction about Maemo and I bet they are studying all the possibilities in broadening the installed base.


At the end I believe that Google will take the price. It has deep pockets, can choose to invest billions into getting advertising platforms into the hands of future Google phone users.


Google has advantage because of the deep pockets yes.. But that is not everything. Microsoft has even bigger and look the mess WinMo is right now. Empires rise and fall...

I read some posts about users also flocking out from Android development because of some dodgy restrictions...


Ultimately, Google will give away these phones for free. Then it will provide free data services. It will disrupt the whole industry, much like the iPhone did it in 2007.
If this Nexus One is, indeed, built by Google like many sources are saying this wont be seen as a good thing by its partners.

Hmm, on the long run I see Maemo x Android...

[OrangeBox]

thanks for this. now we all can be 110% sure that you can be ignored and the outcome will be positive (read: less false data from the internets)
Please give me an example of long running successful companies that could afford to ignore the US market. Even musicians and actors make it big in Hollywood although the world market outside of the US is 80 percent bigger.

[NvyUs]

i love it when people dont even understand what symbian is and immedietley say its old when in fact what they are talking about is s60 which is just a interface layer sitting on top of symbian same as UIQ and that japanese solution.
coincidently all 3 no longer exist b/c they have become one by being contributed to Symbian foundation unifying the platform and making it open source. we are set to see a new UI by the end of 2010

[wizbowes]

Please give me an example of long running successful companies that could afford to ignore the US market. Even musicians and actors make it big in Hollywood although the world market outside of the US is 80 percent bigger.

DoCoMo?
British Telecom?
Gaz Prom?
Tata Motors?

Would you also like a list of actors and musicians who've made it huge without the American market too?

[JayOnThaBeat]

Would you also like a list of actors and musicians who've made it huge without the American market too?

I would, I'm sure I've never heard of them.

I don't get why everyone is giving this guy a hard time. He makes badass guitar amps.

http://www.orangeamps.com/

[OrangeBox]

Great response. Thank you.

Agreed... But lets not forget that the same way Apple disrupted the industry with iPhone, Nokia has the same chance in doing so when M6 comes out... Everything is lining in this direction,Qt+Ovi, and IMHO they have a very good chance in regaining the lost ground when M6 eventually comes out. Of course, other vendors are not standing still and Nokia is taking forever to implement the changes... So everything better come out clean and fast.

Agreed. Unfortunately though the next 2 years will decide the long term winners and losers. Technological platform changes are not what customers need and want. Whoever manage to create enough momentum and create a huge enough customer base for smart phones will survive. Nokia is great at catering to every market segment, but not all segments are equally profitable. IMO Nokia should cut its whole S40 division with the exception of its 5 most popular models, same with S60. Then concentrate its effort in the high end segment. If it wants to be a technological pioneer all those breakthrougs will come there not at the low end.



Dunno if you saw, but there is a device in France, if I am not mistaken, that already uses Maemo. Modified UI but still...
http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/08/optima-op5-e-resurfaces-with-english-os-gets-lengthy-video-revi/

Thnaks for the link.



So no one actually knows how this will play out... Nokia mentioned that was caught by surprise with the amount of positive reaction about Maemo and I bet they are studying all the possibilities in broadening the installed base.


Agreed.


Google has advantage because of the deep pockets yes.. But that is not everything. Microsoft has even bigger and look the mess WinMo is right now. Empires rise and fall...

Well, for MS it never was a strategic goal. It was more like a pet project. For Google it's life (expansion) or death (stagnation).


I read some posts about users also flocking out from Android development because of some dodgy restrictions...

Could be, but it gains new developers too. Same must be true for Maemo, but I bet that Symbian is getting less and less interesting for would be developers, especially that Nokia itself seems to be at a loss wrto its future.


If this Nexus One is, indeed, built by Google like many sources are saying this wont be seen as a good thing by its partners.

Hmm, on the long run I see Maemo x Android...

And can you please explain you reasons as to why the iPhone will not be at the finals?

[OrangeBox]

DoCoMo?
British Telecom?
Gaz Prom?
Tata Motors?

Would you also like a list of actors and musicians who've made it huge without the American market too?

Sorry, forgot to mention that state sanctioned monoplies (oligopolies) don't count.

[OrangeBox]

i love it when people dont even understand what symbian is and immedietley say its old when in fact what they are talking about is s60 which is just a interface layer sitting on top of symbian same as UIQ and that japanese solution.
coincidently all 3 no longer exist b/c they have become one by being contributed to Symbian foundation unifying the platform and making it open source. we are set to see a new UI by the end of 2010

The reason why I split out Symbian to its "flavours" in my reasoning was because I knew that people would immediately jump in should I have made a symbian vs iPhone comparison.

For the end user that UI interface that makes the difference. And correct me if I'm wrong but you can't run an s60v5 app on the N95 and even worse you can't run a v3 app on N97 - both being Symbian.

[NvyUs]

The reason why I split out Symbian to its "flavours" in my reasoning was because I knew that people would immediately jump in should I have made a symbian vs iPhone comparison.

For the end user that UI interface that makes the difference. And correct me if I'm wrong but you can't run an s60v5 app on the N95 and even worse you can't run a v3 app on N97 - both being Symbian.

you can run s60v3 apps on s60v5 lots did it including me, running s60v5 apps on s60v3 never tried why would you want to when theres s60v3 versions out there any way only reason to run s60v3 on s60v5 was when 5800 first came out and there was no apps but now developers, develop there apps to run on both.
there go's your BS theory out the window
try running a s60v3/5 app on UIQ3 or on MOAP all are symbian but you cant but thats another story

[wizbowes]

Sorry, forgot to mention that state sanctioned monoplies (oligopolies) don't count.

Which - state monopolies or oligopolies? They're not the same thing you know.

There's quite a good argument that Microsoft, Google and Apple would fall under that catagory of Oligopolies at the moment.

Assuming you actually meant state sponsored monopolies, then my list would now read:

British Telecom?
Tata Motors?

Adnd let's replace:
DoCoMo with Hutchison Telecom.
Gaz Prom with HSBC (granted their in the US but it's peanuts and they don't really give a crap about it).

[NvyUs]

British telecom is not state run
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BT_Group

[HangLoose]

Agreed. Unfortunately though the next 2 years will decide the long term winners and losers. Technological platform changes are not what customers need and want. Whoever manage to create enough momentum and create a huge enough customer base for smart phones will survive. Nokia is great at catering to every market segment, but not all segments are equally profitable. IMO Nokia should cut its whole S40 division with the exception of its 5 most popular models, same with S60. Then concentrate its effort in the high end segment. If it wants to be a technological pioneer all those breakthrougs will come there not at the low end.

2 years change a lot... Remember Motorola? :P They were huge with Razr and then came n95 and then iPhone... 2 years more or less...
We see a lot of hype in the industry and news is what sells so I see a lot of doom-ish and bashing about Nokia in favor of Apple for example.

hmm.. about scrapping the Symbian division I think you have a very high end centric vision of things. Even though what you said about profitability it is true, Nokia has the eyes in developing markets as well... Many of this markets need to have the lower end phones and Nokia is trying to provide services, more or less same idea as iTunes, for this markets with the mind that it can harness the mindshare of this markets. Search for Nokia Life Tools, it is a great example and if executed properly will be a great communication platform.

I have been living in Asia for some time and it is incredible how many Nokia phones I saw there... Asia is the next big thing for Nokia and it is about Asia where they are betting big (dunno if wrong or right but still). Scrapping this platform there would create a vacuum that some other company will full fill and no one wants that :P It is better to have a so-so profit platform with a possibility for a turn over, as IBM does, for more expensive hardware than another competitor... Let's say that in the end Nokia kills Google, Apple and MS, it will still need to fight the low-end monster it created. And I bet Nokia knows this.


Well, for MS it never was a strategic goal. It was more like a pet project. For Google it's life (expansion) or death (stagnation).

Yep, in the beginning... But look at how they are trying to "shake" things up. Zune and the new WinMo 7...

A lot of "analysts" point the diversity of platforms in Nokia as a weakness and if they are right MS is not moving that nicely.


Could be, but it gains new developers too. Same must be true for Maemo, but I bet that Symbian is getting less and less interesting for would be developers, especially that Nokia itself seems to be at a loss wrto its future.

And can you please explain you reasons as to why the iPhone will not be at the finals?
Someone pointed out that Symbian is mistakenly confused with S60 and I agree with that, problem with Symbian is more the interface and development that it is too cumbersome. I agree with you, but Qt is coming to solve all of this problems... I know, WORA is a big promise and a lot of people think it is too difficult to make it happen but... What if? ;) "Analysts", including some industry commentators like John C. Dvorak, said that Apple should have stayed out from the Phone business and look how they are doing now :P

Apple in the end will likely concentrate just in content delivery... Money is there, but if you are talking about development platforms and innovation this will come from Maemo and Android.

If Apple doesnt give more freedom for developers, I am risking my self here since I never wrote anything for Apple but thats the idea I get when I read blogs and hear people talking, they are fencing them selfs for many of the developments that are coming...

Just look at Google Voice and the inability to have multiple browsers. This is fine for now but I dont see such restrictions winning the space on the long term.

Oh boy, thats why I didnt want to post about Apple :P I wrote and wrote and still was very unclear... Off to sleep dude...

[OrangeBox]

Which - state monopolies or oligopolies? They're not the same thing you know.

There's quite a good argument that Microsoft, Google and Apple would fall under that catagory of Oligopolies at the moment.

Assuming you actually meant state sponsored monopolies, then my list would now read:

British Telecom?
Tata Motors?

Adnd let's replace:
DoCoMo with Hutchison Telecom.
Gaz Prom with HSBC (granted their in the US but it's peanuts and they don't really give a crap about it).

I knew rightaway that I should've put "or" before oligopolies. Of course oligopolies are not the same as monopolies. And I actually never said state run or state sponsored monopolies. What I said was "state sanctioned" - a big difference.

Is BT or Tata global companies? HSBC is I agree with that one, but it is well represented both in US and Canada, so you can cross it off of your list. Not sure how much water HT stirs but your list is rather the exception and not the rule.

[OrangeBox]

you can run s60v3 apps on s60v5 lots did it including me, running s60v5 apps on s60v3 never tried why would you want to when theres s60v3 versions out there any way only reason to run s60v3 on s60v5 was when 5800 first came out and there was no apps but now developers, develop there apps to run on both.
there go's your BS theory out the window
try running a s60v3/5 app on UIQ3 or on MOAP all are symbian but you cant but thats another story
It was hard to make out what you were trying to say because of the long run-on sentence. But if I understood correctly you claim that v3 and v5 can be run interchangably?

[mullf]

http://energia.valmiskauppa.fi/images/kuvat/fail_iso.jpg

[Devil]

I knew rightaway that I should've put "or" before oligopolies. Of course oligopolies are not the same as monopolies. And I actually never said state run or state sponsored monopolies. What I said was "state sanctioned" - a big difference.

Is BT or Tata global companies? HSBC is I agree with that one, but it is well represented both in US and Canada, so you can cross it off of your list. Not sure how much water HT stirs but your list is rather the exception and not the rule.

orangebox is THE person if you want an endless discussion.

[OrangeBox]

http://energia.valmiskauppa.fi/images/kuvat/fail_iso.jpg
I like that chick. Is it you?

[OrangeBox]

orangebox is THE person if you want an endless discussion.
Hey girl, you back? Have you finished fixing the N900 problems that I complained about and you promised to deal with?

[mullf]

I like that chick. Is it you?

You found me out.

[Devil]

no. still busy though. your greatness has affected our formal ideas of the world in a way impossible to measure.

[OrangeBox]

no. still busy though. your greatness has affected our formal ideas of the world in a way impossible to measure.
Oh nice, put how-to-avoid-karpal-tunnel-while-typing-on-the-n900 on your list please. I may have to switch back to typing on a pc as I start having cramps in my thumbs.

[OrangeBox]

Oh and also, guaranteed that my vision is deteriorating while looking at the screen as well.

[OrangeBox]

What the N900 needs is a pee-app to compete with the app store's fart-app. You know something that generates a buzz. Like a voice recognition of peeing to determine one's health.

[Devil]

What the N900 needs is a pee-app to compete with the app store's fart-app. You know something that generates a buzz. Like a voice recognition of peeing to determine one's health.

you are pretty good. wanna be my shrink?

[krisse]

OrangeBox, you posted this on one of your threads:

"Taking pictures (with the N900) with one hand is near impossible, because the slider either pops open ifI support the phone from the bottom with my thumb or if I support it from the back, the touch screen gets pushed."

...I am really struggling here to try to recreate this in real life.

The N900's camera button is at a totally different end of the phone to the slider. If you're taking pictures with one hand, holding the phone from both sides with that one hand to support its weight and your thumb or middle finger on the camera button, it is almost impossible to even touch the slider.

I cannot hold the N900 in any natural camera-button-pressing position where my thumb or fingers are even vaguely near the slider. I've tried one-handed and two-handed, nothing resembles your description.

The only explanation that makes sense is that you've never actually taken photos with an N900. Or else you're making stuff up.

Either way, you're deliberately misleading people into thinking this device is flawed in a way in which it isn't. Why?

[gerbick]

I just noticed there's a God and Devil account here.

Genius.

[Devil]

Do not try to compare me or try to connect my existence in any way with this God guy.

[OrangeBox]

OrangeBox, you posted this on one of your threads:

"Taking pictures (with the N900) with one hand is near impossible, because the slider either pops open ifI support the phone from the bottom with my thumb or if I support it from the back, the touch screen gets pushed."

...I am really struggling here to try to recreate this in real life.

The N900's camera button is at a totally different end of the phone to the slider. If you're taking pictures with one hand, holding the phone from both sides with that one hand to support its weight and your thumb or middle finger on the camera button, it is almost impossible to even touch the slider.

I cannot hold the N900 in any natural camera-button-pressing position where my thumb or fingers are even vaguely near the slider. I've tried one-handed and two-handed, nothing resembles your description.

The only explanation that makes sense is that you've never actually taken photos with an N900. Or else you're making stuff up.

Either way, you're deliberately misleading people into thinking this device is flawed in a way in which it isn't. Why?
Hi, please try this to reproduce the problem:
form a reversed C with your right hand where your thumb is on the bottom and the other 4 fingers are on the top. Then with your left hand place the N900 in the opening of the C, so that the bottom of the phone rests on your thumb. Then if you try to make a pic with your one hand (right only) you will notice that you have to balance the whole phone on your thumb. As you depress the shutter with your index finger, you want to ensure that the phone doesn't shake, so basically you're whole hand has to stiff up. You'll notice that as you depress, the phone screen portion would slide up from the keyboard.
When this happens, you will naturally try to support the phone not from the buttom, but from the end (screen side). The problem with this is that you will inadvertantly press something with the back of your thumb, from which the only way to exit out is to use your left hand.
In other words while it is possible to take a pic with one hand only it really takes a lot of practice and it is cumbersome. Hope this explains my frustration.

[wizbowes]

I knew rightaway that I should've put "or" before oligopolies. Of course oligopolies are not the same as monopolies. And I actually never said state run or state sponsored monopolies. What I said was "state sanctioned" - a big difference.

Is BT or Tata global companies? HSBC is I agree with that one, but it is well represented both in US and Canada, so you can cross it off of your list. Not sure how much water HT stirs but your list is rather the exception and not the rule.

I have no idea what you mean by state sanctioned. All companies are sanctioned by the state they're incorporated in.

This is getting tedious. Your original request was for :

give me an example of long running successful companies that could afford to ignore the US market.

Now your latest iteration is multinational companies that don't operate in the US - that's quite a different proposition but there's still plenty. As you say they're always going to be the exception to the rule - but when you keep changing the requirements each time I post it's a pointless task.

You asked for somebody to name successful companies that have succeeded without penetration in the US market. I've done that.

Thank you and goodnight.

[yukop4]

this thread and the n900 is starting to annoy me--nothing useful for the tablet---just bugs

[slender]

.....You'll notice that as you depress, the phone screen portion would slide up from the keyboard.
When this happens, you will naturally try to support the phone not from the buttom, but from the end (screen side). The problem with this is that you will inadvertantly press something with the back of your thumb, from which the only way to exit out is to use your left hand.
In other words while it is possible to take a pic with one hand only it really takes a lot of practice and it is cumbersome. Hope this explains my frustration.

Ok. What in the name of...?
I can't reproduce your problem. Sorry.
I even tried couple of very awkward positions with my fingers but every time i could take picture quite easily.

[OrangeBox]

I have no idea what you mean by state sanctioned. All companies are sanctioned by the state they're incorporated in.

This is getting tedious. Your original request was for :

give me an example of long running successful companies that could afford to ignore the US market.

Now your latest iteration is multinational companies that don't operate in the US - that's quite a different proposition but there's still plenty. As you say they're always going to be the exception to the rule - but when you keep changing the requirements each time I post it's a pointless task.

You asked for somebody to name successful companies that have succeeded without penetration in the US market. I've done that.

Thank you and goodnight.
Thanks for your response. State sanctioned monopolies and oligopolies form and remain in operation where the state has weak antitrust legislation and enforcement or decides to allow it because of political reasons. This basically means that the state lets these entities to operate even though it limits competition. The example you gave (British Telecom, Gazprom) are certainly state sanctioned (read approved).

Nevertheless, you started to comment on something I wrote out of context. The whole discussion started at the global fight between smartphone OSes. It would certainly not make sense to ask someone to come up with a national company that is successful (ie each country's national post service). What I was arguing was when a global fight erupts for dominance in an industry (like next gen smartphone os, desktop os, search engine, etc), the American market has been a good indicator for the outcome. You may come up with examples, but none of those you provided so far compete at the global level, so they have no bearing on the US market.

[OrangeBox]

Ok. What in the name of...?
I can't reproduce your problem. Sorry.
I even tried couple of very awkward positions with my fingers but every time i could take picture quite easily.
Thanks for trying. As I wrote earlier I have large fingers which should theoretically make this easier and not harder (more skin surface to lay the bottom part against). Anyways I'm happy that you're ok. Can you please verify that you have never accidentally tapped on the screen with your right thumb when supporting it in the second scenario? It is hard to imagine as the phone does not turn off the tap sensitivity during taking a picture. My count is 4 out of 10 when this happens. Just tried it now.

[wizbowes]

This basically means that the state lets these entities to operate even though it limits competition. The example you gave (British Telecom, Gazprom) are certainly state sanctioned (read approved).


Sorry in what BT are state sanctioned and in what way is the UK telecom limited in competition? The UK telecoms market is one of the most open in the world. Google is your friend.

[OrangeBox]

So we're going to the countryside tomorrow. I have started to use the Maps application and here are the annoying things:

1. it keeps downloading and downloading. If I zoom in it downloads. If I zoom out it downloads. Even if I move to an area it downloaded before it downloads it again. This is ok via wifi, but tomorrow I'll be on the road and I can't have ridiculous data roaming charges, so I don't know what'll happen.
2. it is slow. 12 seconds to load the app is way too much.
3. managed to crash it several times. All you have to do to reproduce it is to create a route (waypoints A and B) and try adding a third one (stopover). 2 out of 4 times it crashes.
4. there is no way to delete or change the order of waypoints.
5. there is no way to delete waypoint A (current gps location) and because of this and item 4 a route between two arbitrary points can't be calculated.
6. when adding a waypoint from the map it adds it as the country name

That's it for now. Btw i like the canned zoom levels (street, city, province, country)

[OrangeBox]

Sorry in what BT are state sanctioned and in what way is the UK telecom limited in competition? The UK telecoms market is one of the most open in the world. Google is your friend.
Oh yes I know I know. We have the same illusion here in Canada with Bell Canada. So BT has no naturally inherited copper wires that were originally paid for by the tax payers or any other competitive advantage that is a result of them being the first telecom operator run by the UK government? I may be mistaken with this one, but Gazprom for sure is a state sanctioned monopoly.

[OrangeBox]

this thread and the n900 is starting to annoy me--nothing useful for the tablet---just bugs
well throw me a bone (topic) and let's discuss it. Why don't you start talking about what annoys you about the n900?

[slender]

Thanks for trying. As I wrote earlier I have large fingers which should theoretically make this easier and not harder (more skin surface to lay the bottom part against). Anyways I'm happy that you're ok. Can you please verify that you have never accidentally tapped on the screen with your right thumb when supporting it in the second scenario? It is hard to imagine as the phone does not turn off the tap sensitivity during taking a picture. My count is 4 out of 10 when this happens. Just tried it now.

Hmm. Shutter button is located on top of keyboard/body and my thumb is supporting body from bottom so pressure from up goes basically directly to my thumb. I don't touch screen portion from up or down. You have to have really fat thumb tip if you are having that kind of problem. I have to test that with my friends with "giants" hands, but I doubt that he's going to have any problems.

And after all whenever you are using ANY photographing device you should always give it, or at least try, maximum support by using both hands. One hand is always easily shaken.

But I´m sorry to hear that taking pictures is that troublesome to you.

.edit
I have correct myself that of course i touch screen portion, but there is no pressure on that point.

[OrangeBox]

Hmm. Shutter button is located on top of keyboard/body and my thumb is supporting body from bottom so pressure from up goes basically directly to my thumb. I don't touch screen portion from up or down. You have to have really fat thumb tip if you are having that kind of problem. I have to test that with my friends with "giants" hands, but I doubt that he's going to have any problems.

And after all whenever you are using ANY photographing device you should always give it, or at least try, maximum support by using both hands. One hand is always easily shaken.

But I´m sorry to hear that taking pictures is that troublesome to you.

.edit
I have correct myself that of course i touch screen portion, but there is no pressure on that point.
Thanks for your response. The back of the thumb problem is of scenario 2 of my original post, where the phone is supported partially on its bottom right corner with my palm and partially with my whole thumb (not just the tip) is leaning against the screen vertically and the pinky, the ring and middle fingers from the other side while the index finger is taking the shot. If you notice the touchable portion of the screen is about a centimeter from the right edge. The problem is in order for your curled index to reach the shutter, your vertical thumb can't be leaned against in the dead 1 cm wide border, but has to come inside the touchable screen. If it's hard to vision as I explained it I will take a picture and upload it. Thanks again for trying to reproduce it.

[NvyUs]

can yo go and sell your n900 and buy a iphone please!?
I'm fed up of seeing your rubbish at the top of Active Topics list
you got boring real quick so nobody wants to play any more oranagepox

[gerbick]

can yo go and sell your n900 and buy a iphone please!?
I'm fed up of seeing your rubbish at the top of Active Topics list
you got boring real quick so nobody wants to play any more oranagepox

I don't condone how he's done it, but what I ultimately see is that he's bringing a counter-point to a lot of the hype. I don't personally enjoy the iPhone comparisons - I own one, can admit it ain't perfect - but can the hardcore N900 do that too?

</devil's advocate>

If anything else, you can ignore him.

[NvyUs]

I don't condone how he's done it, but what I ultimately see is that he's bringing a counter-point to a lot of the hype. I don't personally enjoy the iPhone comparisons - I own one, can admit it ain't perfect - but can the hardcore N900 do that too?

</devil's advocate>

If anything else, you can ignore him.
it would be a counter point to the hype if
1. he was not making lot of it up.
2.did not start fights over big companies outside US for no reason lol
3.talk about other OS's knowing nothing about them just trying to get reaction which he as admitted.
4. admitting to making is titles controversial and provocative to pull in traffic
5. when he starts losing argument he moves on to new subject unrelated to the last.
he is just an attention seeker

btw i was not knocking iphone when i told him to buy one, you can edit that with any phone, i was just referring him to buy something else so he can go hang out there instead

[wizbowes]

Oh yes I know I know. We have the same illusion here in Canada with Bell Canada. So BT has no naturally inherited copper wires that were originally paid for by the tax payers or any other competitive advantage that is a result of them being the first telecom operator run by the UK government? I may be mistaken with this one, but Gazprom for sure is a state sanctioned monopoly.

Whatever...

[OrangeBox]

it would be a counter point to the hype if
1. he was not making lot of it up.
2.did not start fights over big companies outside US for no reason lol
3.talk about other OS's knowing nothing about them just trying to get reaction which he as admitted.
4. admitting to making is titles controversial and provocative to pull in traffic
5. when he starts losing argument he moves on to new subject unrelated to the last.
he is just an attention seeker

btw i was not knocking iphone when i told him to buy one, you can edit that with any phone, i was just referring him to buy something else so he can go hang out there instead
No reason to be emotional child. If you prefer we can put the argument to a more professional footing. You may want to reference your sources, preferrably APA style. I wouldn't mind if you start with peer reviewed journal papers.

I will not react to your points 1-5 as they are completely unsubstantiated.

BTW, drop out of this thread if you don't like it, but don't be disrespectful as I'm not either.

[gerbick]

it would be a counter point to the hype if
1. he was not making lot of it up.
2.did not start fights over big companies outside US for no reason lol
3.talk about other OS's knowing nothing about them just trying to get reaction which he as admitted.
4. admitting to making is titles controversial and provocative to pull in traffic
5. when he starts losing argument he moves on to new subject unrelated to the last.

No arguments from me. I understand your stance quite a bit better now though.

he is just an attention seeker
No arguments here either.

btw i was not knocking iphone when i told him to buy one, you can edit that with any phone, i was just referring him to buy something else so he can go hang out there instead
Didn't take it as such at all.

[yukop4]

well throw me a bone (topic) and let's discuss it. Why don't you start talking about what annoys you about the n900?

the resources wasted on yet another nokia mobile phone/bored toy-they seem to be churned out every 6 months-could have been spent on developing a tablet with a larger screen that could have contributed to the need to replace books with e-readers -i.e something that has the potential to be more enviromentally friendly-linking maemo with a green product is a winner-linking maemo with the n900 is not

[yorg]

Does anyone read what he writes?

What a waste of bandwidth :(

[slender]

Does anyone read what he writes?

What a waste of bandwidth :(

hmm. Me but i use filter =)

For example i think too that navigation software is shamefully bad and it should be made at least as good as free google maps mobile ASAP. IMHO it should not be installed out of box in n900. It´s about extra-testing quality. Actually it should blow away any others navigation software because of Navteq and N95 legacy. Yeap..I do not know anything about coding and how challenging or difficult things are behind curtains. Thinking that kind of stuff would be waste of my time as consumer. I´m the consumer so demand is what i do no questions asked.

I too think that this device has HUGE potential, but right now IJoes and average users (share holders want that pile of money, we who read this forums are small group of niche users) don't give a damn about potential. They want applications and usability that has been introduced in recent years to other alike devices. When you arrive late to market, it´s to some point forgivable, but it´s quite obvious that you don´t have anymore that advantage to build up the system what your competitors had when they were first.

Consumers demand and that´s the name of the game. It´s their nature and that's the main driving force to make things better. Some wise guy might say that these people who just demand and demand have ADHD syndrome or are just spoiled, but i think that when you say something like that you have already surrendered to you competitors and lost the game.

I understand that in community driven projects everyone tries to be nice and behave politely, but when someone gives their money to buy devices/services things get nasty. That´s just natural.

Yeah i know that this is one step before maemo 6, but people going crazy (amazing, wonderful, best) on default apps of this device makes me think that what kind of drug they are using. For me this is largely average experience on MOBILE COMPUTER. On some areas it functions as it should and on some levels it under performs and off course sometimes it really shows its power.

YMMV but please stay in some limits :P

[OrangeBox]

Yeah i know that this is one step before maemo 6, but people going crazy (amazing, wonderful, best) on default apps of this device makes me think that what kind of drug they are using. For me this is largely average experience on MOBILE COMPUTER. On some areas it functions as it should and on some levels it under performs and off course sometimes it really shows its power.

The N900 has 4 kinds of users:
1. previous Nokia tabler users, fanboys and fanatics aka the Cult
2. spoiled rich kids who blow money on anything they can find
3. linux afficionados and other power users
4. orangebox and other people who had higher than average expectations and are now disappointed

[fatalsaint]

Everyone who is not in categories 1, and 3, can go get their Android phone now ;).

Although, OrangeBox, just because you hate the device doesn't mean that others do. I've seen several posts here where non-power users, and non-fanatics love their N900...

In fact.. I think you're over in one trying to piss all over the carpet right now by implying he doesn't have the right to love his N900 since he hasn't tried <insert competitors device here>. :rolleyes:

So category 5) typical end-users that love their device, but want minor tweaks to this or that.

For them.. we have a wonderful community fixing problems and a bug-system to make the device better. Every device has a category 5. In fact.. I think every device has all 4 of your other categories too. Just replace Nokia with Apple and Linux with Mac...

[gerbick]

Wow. You can't be serious about those 4 categories.

[OrangeBox]

Yeah i know that this is one step before maemo 6, but people going crazy (amazing, wonderful, best) on default apps of this device makes me think that what kind of drug they are using. For me this is largely average experience on MOBILE COMPUTER. On some areas it functions as it should and on some levels it under performs and off course sometimes it really shows its power.

I couldn't agree more. The N900 is definitely the winner among all smartphones: POTENTIAL. My fear is that its full potential will never be reached knowing Nokia's past habit of leaving users behind when new releases and patches dry up.

IMO Nokia plays on the consciousness of the community and wants things fixed, developed and rounded out on someone else's dime.

[houz]

helllooo troll :) And yes Trolls stick round :) Good trolls keep coming back !

[OrangeBox]

helllooo troll :) And yes Trolls stick round :) Good trolls keep coming back !
Stick around. There are lots of cool people (including me) reading this thread.

Occasionally I throw some bones out there for the cult to chew on. There are people out there publicly opposing me and secretly private messaging me to suck up to me.

[Devil]

I have something i found i want to share with people who also try to use this forum, but just as i, stumble, as with everything in life, on some bumps in the road. Here is a little aid.

step 1: right click and save as (to desktop f.e.)on 'this (http://www.game-bloggers.com/e107_images/newspost_images/orangebox.jpg)'. (JPEG file)
step 2: go here (http://www.shoot-it.org/with_flash.html)
step 3: click on the image displayed on the website you have just opened. Click browse, select the in step 1 downloaded jpeg, click upload and your done.

[Texrat]

Heh... nice find.

[OrangeBox]

I have something i found i want to share with people who also try to use this forum, but just as i, stumble, as with everything in life, on some bumps in the road. Here is a little aid.

step 1: right click and save as (to desktop f.e.)on 'this (http://www.game-bloggers.com/e107_images/newspost_images/orangebox.jpg)'. (JPEG file)
step 2: go here (http://www.shoot-it.org/with_flash.html)
step 3: click on the image displayed on the website you have just opened. Click browse, select the in step 1 downloaded jpeg, click upload and your done.

This is funny. Good find. Will click it once every hour for the rest of my life.

[Jobester]

I've read barely anything you've said, but:

2. I am not a troll. People call me idiot, childish

+

Occasionally I throw some bones out there for the cult to chew on. There are people out there publicly opposing me and secretly private messaging me to suck up to me.

:confused:

[OrangeBox]

I've read barely anything you've said, but:



+



:confused:

Thanks, I've got your private message. No, I'm not interested as I have a lovely wife. But thanks.

[NvyUs]

I couldn't agree more. The N900 is definitely the winner among all smartphones: POTENTIAL. My fear is that its full potential will never be reached knowing Nokia's past habit of leaving users behind when new releases and patches dry up.

IMO Nokia plays on the consciousness of the community and wants things fixed, developed and rounded out on someone else's dime.

Nokia don't give up supporting there older devices as much as people think.
only last week devices older than 2 years like n95 8gb and n95 got updates. it all depends on the success of the device if they support them that long, they are not going to make new firmware for a device that hardly sells and if only thousand will bother to update, they are going to allocate the resources on something that's a success or is new

[OrangeBox]

Nokia don't give up supporting there older devices as much as people think.
only last week devices older than 2 years like n95 8gb and n95 got updates. it all depends on the success of the device if they support them that long, they are not going to make new firmware for a device that hardly sells and if only thousand will bother to update, they are going to allocate the resources on something that's a success or is new

You have a valid point. I stumbled upon a new netbook the other day by some noname company. What was cool about it that it used 8 AA size batteries and it was upgradeable hardware-wise (memory, cpu).

We are yet to see a real upgradeable smart phone out there, at which point Nokia and others could have a much longer attention span towards certain devices.

[OrangeBox]

Signature check 123

[mysticrokks]

trolls stay around for ages.. orangebox this new thread is proof of your problem.. u need to get a life dude..

[Bec]

Orange, you have to stop...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZN5PoW7_kdA

Seriously, stop.

Your friend,
Apple (not affiliated to Apple.inc)

[OrangeBox]

Orange, you have to stop...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZN5PoW7_kdA

Seriously, stop.

Your friend,
Apple (not affiliated to Apple.inc)

Awesome clip. I like it.

[Devil]

Awesome clip. I like it.

seriously why?

[Bec]

Devil,

:eek:

Knife!

:)

[qwerty12]

W00t!

The ****er is banned!

[daperl]

W00t!

The ****er is banned!

OrangeBox, what do you think Nokia's next move should be? Oh, wait...

[fatalsaint]

W00t!

The ****er is banned!
Seriously? You know.. I'm not usually for banning... but after yesterday.. I realized there was no hope.

Now maybe we can continue decent discussions in threads without the peanut gallery...

Thank you mods!

[Bec]

Seriously? You know.. I'm not usually for banning... but after yesterday.. I realized there was no hope.

Now maybe we can continue decent discussions in threads without the peanut gallery...

Thank you mods!

But what did it do to fill the glass? the AnnoyingOrange I mean?

[Bratag]

Orange, you have to stop...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZN5PoW7_kdA

Seriously, stop.

Your friend,
Apple (not affiliated to Apple.inc)


There could not be a better clip to describe OB. Even had the repeating of the word Apple Apple Apple right :).

I will now have that voice in mind every time I see a post by him.

Just read he was banned. Thankyou Jebus.

[fatalsaint]

But what did it do to fill the glass? the AnnoyingOrange I mean?

there was at least 3 separate threads having a well thought discussion between multiple people... and he just jumped in with completely useless 1-liners. I expected it the first time... but when it was repeatedly interrupting decent conversations with his crap it started to really grate on my spine. And then this whole thread.. where he was making outrageous claims and refusing to back them up.. or changing the dynamics at every turn..

It just became blatantly obvious that we was not here to contribute... anything. At all.

[Bec]

I don't want to double post so check this out:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=461632#post461632

I reported my last post as an example for the mods since writing in words what this guys issue is goes beyond my patience...

I don't know wht is wrong with these guys... REALLY!

[Lacedaemon]

Goodbye sir!

[phreck]

baaaaahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. sweet.

[mysticrokks]

I don't want to double post so check this out:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=461632#post461632

I reported my last post as an example for the mods since writing in words what this guys issue is goes beyond my patience...

I don't know wht is wrong with these guys... REALLY!


bec i have no idea what was wrong with that post.

how can u ban him for that, jeas you lot are gonna be getting on my case soon.

[Bec]

Well I won't quote the first post since I already have on that thread.

Even if he would be reporting real bugs, there's a more constructive way to do it.

The way I see it the only purpose of that thread is to cause sparks and, of course, waste time.

P.S. as I said, that post is almost too early to be real - and someone as enthusiastic to be in the top 100 to have the N900, does not report things that aren't there... it doesn't add up.

[fatalsaint]

bec i have no idea what was wrong with that post.

how can u ban him for that, jeas you lot are gonna be getting on my case soon.

You've tried my patience a few times.. but nothing to the extent of OB. Plus.. sometimes.. you make sense ;).

OB just said stuff to get attention.

@Bec - I'm not sure if it's just my browser.. but did you seriously increase font size and bold that entire post?? That's just.. obnoxious. If that's not how everyone else see's the post, disregard. I just clicked your link and went ":eek: my eyes!"

[mysticrokks]

ironically i called the lad a troll on a board - he was banging on about something and we had a bust up(1 hr later he created this thread) but i agree with alot he says- he is frustrated by nokia in a few ways- so am i- fanboys jump on his back, he is only speaking the truth how he sees it. when thee same fan boys jump on my back they are like wolves and cant reason, just get all stuck up and nasty.. all we do is comparethe n900 and nokia's customer serice/marketing/qual control with market leaders .

but i am gonna try and stop banging on- i am sure its annoying reading my views all the time- i will stick to usefull stuff and how to improve my n900 from now on.

[Bec]

@Bec - I'm not sure if it's just my browser.. but did you seriously increase font size and bold that entire post?? That's just.. obnoxious. If that's not how everyone else see's the post, disregard. I just clicked your link and went ":eek: my eyes!"

Ok, ok you're right, but it was size 4 without bold :P

But honestly now, why does that thread have 58 pages instead of a single locked one?

I won't say half, but a good part of his points simply don't make sense as for the rivality "oh iphone must be better than nokia's "flagship"... now what's the point of that?

[woodyear99]

Can't he just create another nickname and reappear? lol

[Texrat]

Can't he just create another nickname and reappear? lol

Sure. But speech habits are easy to identify. ;)

[woodyear99]

Lol good point.

[zehjotkah]

ironically i called the lad a troll on a board - he was banging on about something and we had a bust up(1 hr later he created this thread) but i agree with alot he says- he is frustrated by nokia in a few ways- so am i- fanboys jump on his back, he is only speaking the truth how he sees it. when thee same fan boys jump on my back they are like wolves and cant reason, just get all stuck up and nasty.. all we do is comparethe n900 and nokia's customer serice/marketing/qual control with market leaders .

but i am gonna try and stop banging on- i am sure its annoying reading my views all the time- i will stick to usefull stuff and how to improve my n900 from now on.

thanks for this post mysticrokks!
from now on i will forget the PM ;)

[mysticrokks]

thanks for this post mysticrokks!
from now on i will forget the PM ;)


:) thankyou..