The Nokia N800? [Archive] - maemo.org

funtasticguy

01-06-2007, 12:10 AM

From the back of the box, here's what I read (after zooming it):

Nokia N800
- Easy Internet connection over Wi-Fi or compatible mobile phone
- Web on a portable size tablet with high-resolution widescreen display
- Internet communications; Internet calling with web camera, instant messaging, and e-mail
- Access to Internet media at home or on-the-go with high quality stereo audio

Features

1) Zoom in and out
2) VGA webcam (640 x 480)
3) Ergonomic keys for Internet usage
4) Integrated desk stand
5) High-resolution 4.13" touch screen
6) High sensitivity microphone
7) Stereo audio out connector
8) Stereo loudspeakers
9) Mini USB connector

Google talk
Bluetooth

jtokash

01-06-2007, 02:49 AM

Size comparison between the 770 and the 800 (http://blog.tokash.org/2007/01/05/nokia-n800-in-the-flesh-an-update-to-the-nokia-770-internet-tablet/).

tirabosco

01-06-2007, 04:26 AM

@Rocketman
You would be surprised how good speakers in the new Nokia phone of my brother are (don't remember the model now, but it is one of the lower series). If the ones on the N800 are slightly better they would allow for occasional music listening without headphones and without hurting your ears. Sure an improvement for me since I hate headphones. And if the audio out on the device is of better quality than the one on the 770 (I have some static that is annoying on mine), thats also a nice improvement and sure makes music streaming more enjoyable.
But IMO the more important improvement would be in software, be it the one on the N800 and on the desktop. Hopefully Nokia won't let us down totally in that sense. The software it will offer and the price will decide for me if I upgrade from the 770 or not.

Bye, tira.

gisborne

01-06-2007, 04:35 AM

Nice COMPUSA sticker :D

Did anyone notice that the picture with the webcam on appears to be taken with the N800 sitting on a store display cabinet?

As in: this was taken in a CompUSA?

Sorry if that was obvious.

[First post. I've been lurking here for a while, trying to see if I wanted one of these things. I've decided I did, and I was going to wait for the new version. So I'll be here asking stupid questions soon, it looks like.

Nice place. Think I'll stay a while. :p ]

fpp

01-06-2007, 05:59 AM

So the "prototype" was real after all :-)

bac522

01-06-2007, 08:45 AM

http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/05/nokia-n800-internet-tablet-unboxed/

Someone on engadget mention they were unboxing the same unit at Compusa for display, may have to take a drive over to my local Compusa to see if one is around.

SD69

01-06-2007, 10:07 AM

Adding this to the N series, stereo speakers, audio out... If they haven't bumped up the CPU and internal memory, it is apparent that Nokia is looking to position this as another multimedia gadget.

Can't see the top buttons in the pictures...

thoughtfix

01-06-2007, 11:19 AM

I am going to be at the press reception on Monday and will be interviewing them Tuesday morning. Wish me luck.

Stereo speakers = welcome addition, ESPECIALLY with Canola.
MiniSD = Welcome addition, since I can swap cards from my phone, tablet, and (with adapter) digital camera with ease.

The moment I see one on sale, I'm plunking down my credit card.

Milhouse

01-06-2007, 11:32 AM

So, $399.99 at CompUSA probably works out at about $370-$360 direct from Nokia. With the current USD/GBP exchange rate, $399.99 works out at about £205 (but I expect it will be closer to £250).

Seems like Nokia will be pricing the new device at pretty much the same price point as the original (http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5527&postcount=2).

Milhouse

01-06-2007, 11:36 AM

Thoughtfix - I've mentioned this a few times before, but do you think you can find out if the GPS built into the Nokia N95 phone will work with the N800? I think those two could be a great combination!

I'm almost committed to buying one, but if the CPU and/or memory situation hasn't improved at all I may delay, even not bother. I'd be very surprised/disappointed if Nokia haven't updated the CPU to at least the OMAP2410.

N770-Freak

01-06-2007, 12:00 PM

MiniSD = Welcome addition, since I can swap cards from my phone, tablet, and (with adapter) digital camera with ease.
Older pix from engadget showed the cardslot inside the device. And it seemed that nokia build in a "full" SD-Card slot!
Perhaps they deliver the N800 with miniSD + Adapter for compatibly with the handy stuff. Or did they really build in a miniSD slot?

phi

01-06-2007, 12:05 PM

With all the hoopla of the new tablet coming out, anyone think that'll it have a newly upgraded OS2007 onboard? And if so, do we get an upgrade as well?

=DC=

01-06-2007, 12:40 PM

With all the hoopla of the new tablet coming out, anyone think that'll it have a newly upgraded OS2007 onboard? And if so, do we get an upgrade as well?I think it will, and it would only make sense to have the upgrade available for the 770 as well (without the camera features of course).

Texrat

01-06-2007, 12:47 PM

benny1967

01-06-2007, 01:04 PM

Older pix from engadget showed the cardslot inside the device. And it seemed that nokia build in a "full" SD-Card slot!
Perhaps they deliver the N800 with miniSD + Adapter for compatibly with the handy stuff. Or did they really build in a miniSD slot?

I still hope at least one slot (there are 2 of them, right?) is full SD - it would make it easier for me to finally get the pics from my cam to the tablet. With the 770 as it is today, theres no way of doing so without using either a desktop or one of those adventurous gadgets that allow the 770 to run in usb host mode.

Getting the pics from cam to the maemo based device is the first step for a new set of applications to come: basic image manipulation, better viewers, image organising and, of course, upload to the web (flickr, blogs,...)

albson

01-06-2007, 01:17 PM

When this toy will be available ?

thoughtfix

01-06-2007, 02:56 PM

When this toy will be available ?

It's available now (http://thoughtfix.blogspot.com/2007/01/n800-previously-known-as-nokia-780-or.html), if you're lucky. I am lucky on the availability side, but have to wait two more weeks before the financial part recovers from some emergency expense.

flareup

01-06-2007, 03:04 PM

exciting stuff! so soon after Christmas....

still wondering about protection for the screen though - paart of the reason I love the 770 is being able to slip it pocket, bag, anything without worrying about it getting damaged. the reversible covercase is a highlight of the desing for me.

Reggie

01-06-2007, 03:09 PM

Good point about the screen cover. I don't see one in the pics.

orbitalcomp

01-06-2007, 03:13 PM

Let's hope that it can be recharged via Mini-USB this time...more and more devices are starting to charge this way, and it sure makes it easier than carrying a bunch of different chargers - all I would need to carry is my retractable USB cable...

Has it been proven that it is indeed SD card, or is it the lower-cap MiniSD? If Nokia used full-size SD and made it with the new SDHC spec, we'll soon be using 8+GB cards...NICE!

thoughtfix

01-06-2007, 04:21 PM

Side by side specs! (http://thoughtfix.blogspot.com/2007/01/critical-question-answered-yes-n800-is.html)

dcarter

01-06-2007, 04:40 PM

OK, this is getting silly.

So far, multiple regular people have apparently purchased the N800 from CompUSA. I called them, they know nothing...... So I just convinced the wife to go with me to a CompUSA store (one other than the one that knew nothing) to try our luck. I want it now-

...one person who has it says it chugs through youtube with video
and if so, you know what that means, folks:
integrated flash update and a new browser update, along with a likely boost in cpu power.

here is hoping, though....
Even if it only takes the 2gig card, I can do a heck of a lot with 4+gigs..

dcarter

jan@ieper

01-06-2007, 04:40 PM

found this on engadget
somebody bought friday already a N800

http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/05/nokia-n800-internet-tablet-unboxed/3#comments

you also find a link to a pdf file of the manual

too big to post here directly

jan@ieper

01-06-2007, 04:51 PM

Memory card
Your device has two memory card slots. There is an internal
slot under the back cover and another slot under the memory
card cover on the front corner of the device. Both memory
cards can be inserted and removed when the device is
powered (hot swap feature).
The supported memory card formats are as follows:
• MultiMediaCard (MMC), (full size)
• Reduced Size MMC (with adapter)
• SD card (full size)
• miniSD card (with adapter)
• microSD card (with adapter)
This device does not support the write
protection feature of SD cards.
Use only compatible MultiMediaCards (MMC), Reduced
Size MultiMediaCards, SD cards, microSD cards, or miniSD
cards approved by Nokia for use with this device. Nokia
uses approved industry standards for memory cards, but
some brands may not be fully compatible with this device.
Incompatible cards may damage the card and the device
and corrupt data stored on the card.
The size limit is 2 GB. You can only use FAT 16/32
formatted compatible memory cards with this device.
To view and manage the contents of the memory card,
tap , select File manager, and tap the memory card in
the folder list.
To rename a memory card, select File manager >
Memory card > Rename....
To format a memory card, select File manager > Memory
card > Format.... All data is permanently

Milhouse

01-06-2007, 04:53 PM

CompUSA is all fine and dandy for you folks in the US of A... what are Nokia doing about the rest of the planet? I never saw a 770 on sale in a bricks and mortar store here in the UK, so will be dependent on the ye old Nokia internet shoppe - anyone found a link yet? :)

The improved hardware specs on Thoughtfix's site have confirmed my purchasing decision - I want to buy one, NOW! :)

brendan

01-06-2007, 06:28 PM

what i would like to know is if bluetooth headset support will finally be available. I am all sorts of giddy about the new device and cant wait to get my grubby little mitts on one.

also, i am seeing 4 and 8 GB SD cards. will there be support for them with future releases of ITOS '07?

what about the stand? is it intergrated like a fold out leg or is one incluced like the 770? i didnt get one with mine, as it was the display model, and the last one in CompUSA.

Milhouse

01-06-2007, 07:23 PM

No, not according to the manual (it is BT 2.0 though)
Maybe - one can only hope.
Yes, it folds out from the rear - pic here (http://www.carrypad.com/product/product.php?id=56).

Texrat

01-06-2007, 08:06 PM

There will be internet sites selling the tablet.

None are *supposed* to be selling yet. I imagine some heads will roll over the early sales and leaks...

cman74

01-06-2007, 08:53 PM

I also called CompUSA and they didn't know what the hell I was talking about (per usual). Decided just to drive there and they had about five N800s stacked next to the 770 (this is in S. Calif.)

I bought it and I'm screwing around on it now. :D

Texrat

01-06-2007, 09:31 PM

You know, there were stickers on the shipping cartons saying when to open them. Some CompUSA stores may find their allotment curtailed for jumping the gun...

lmf

01-06-2007, 09:47 PM

N800 on Nokia Online Shop :
http://direct.nokia.com/countries.aspx?model=n800

for a moment it was possible to view and order it.. (I tried with the spanish flag)
the next minute it was gone...
I think the price for European countries was 499eur !!!!
so.. why does it cost 499eur here, when it's $399 in the US?!?
As 1eur=$1.3usd, then it should cost 310eur in Europe !!!

Reggie

01-06-2007, 10:16 PM

Has anyone seen the actual price of the N800 online? ;)

cman74

01-06-2007, 10:41 PM

Interesting. The N800 is recognizing a 4 GB SD card (http://members.dslextreme.com/users/carnedo/IMG_0556.jpg) in both the internal and external slots. Thought 2 GB was the limit.

I also put in the 2 GB RSS-MMC card from the 770 for a total of 5.69 GB.

Anyone try one of the 8 GB SD cards???

=DC=

01-06-2007, 11:03 PM

4 GB huh? That is interesting. Nice theme by the way. I'm guessing the new OS
release will be available for us 770 owner at the same time (or soon after) the "official"
Nokia announcement.

diJenerate

01-06-2007, 11:27 PM

Interesting,
The Manual for the N800 has no 'specs' page. Has anyone been able to confirm the type of processor in this thing?

Furthermore, can this one play XviD video if I get mplayer working? I wonder how the OE distro will run on this baby!

diJenerate

Reggie

01-06-2007, 11:42 PM

I will get exclusive info late tomorrow. Stay tuned.

gnuite

01-07-2007, 12:52 AM

I suppose the upgraders will be happy to snatch up this hardware enhancement. The increased CPU and RAM capabilities afforded by ever-reducing chip costs should be quite useful.

I just hope it doesn't leave legacy 770 owners rotting on a no-longer-supported platform. I myself have no need for a webcam.

Sure, applications will probably remain binary-compatible, so long as any OS upgrade is made available to the 770. But who's to say that newer applications (or even the new OS itself) will run at acceptable performance levels on the reduced capabilities of the older hardware?

It's the old "spend more money to upgrade, or be left behind" trick that Microsoft mastered and on which computer hardware vendors have been capitalizing ever since. Cell phone manufacturers have been quick to catch on, though, so I guess this move by Nokia should have come as no surprise to the more seasoned of us. I'm as quick as anyone to jump to upgrade, but in this case, I'm staying put.

Well, enough cynicism! Good luck to all. Let's hope that, in this case, innovation and legacy support can find a way to coexist.

johsua

01-07-2007, 01:23 AM

Nokia is now running an ad on engadget for n800. The link, unfortunately, goes to their n-series line, which does not feature the n800... Probably will soon though...

I agree with gnuite - I don't think that I'll shell out the $400 for the upgrade. Maybe they'll have a buy-back program?

albson

01-07-2007, 02:21 AM

N800 seems to be not available in Europe ? !.

NokNok770

01-07-2007, 03:51 AM

NokNok770

01-07-2007, 04:21 AM

SeRi@lDiE

01-07-2007, 04:27 AM

I am on my way tomorrow to see if the Local CompUSA here in North Houston has them available and if they do I am going to get me one :)

MikeL

01-07-2007, 04:35 AM

More pictures and a little more info on the N800 care of John Tokash's blog

http://blog.tokash.org
http://images.tokash.org/main.php?g2_itemId=143

Shame there are not more of it in operation with more screen captures to illustrate changes in applications and the new ones for example with the webcam. (But they are sure to be here soon)

I agree with gnuite - I don't think that I'll shell out the $400 for the upgrade. Maybe they'll have a buy-back program?I do hope so, then we can be more proactive in helping Nokia sales by push/progressing the Nokia 770 successors application/usage footprint. (Which is in our own interests too)

The N800 looks a more polished and finished product than the Nokia 700 from the pictures posted so far.

slip

01-07-2007, 05:23 AM

You know, there were stickers on the shipping cartons saying when to open them. Some CompUSA stores may find their allotment curtailed for jumping the gun...

I understand your point, but frankly the cat was already out of the bag, so why not sell them? If anything Nokia should probably be happy with the fact that (a) they made a big splash on engadget BEFORE the flood of CES drowned them out and (b) some very enthusiast bloggers (including people in this forum) are essentially doing their marketing for them by posting pics, specs, and initial reviews.

You've obviously known a lot about this new product for a while and have done a very good job (from what I can tell) of keeping quiet about it. Your ability to respect that embargo is commendable, I guess, but the people at CompUSA are SUPPOSED to sell the thing (just maybe not quite yet)! If anything, Nokia should be happy that they have sold X number of units before the thing was even properly announced!

Maybe we've all been trained by "Steve Jobs" school of product launches that they have to come completely out of left field and only be available for purchase at the pre-determined time.

If anything, this type of launch rewards those enthusiasts with a brief moment of exclusivity before the mainstream picks up on it. After all, this being a product that relies on the open source community to build apps, why not reward that community with a sneak peek at it?

Anyway, not much longer to wait for the official announcement regardless.
(PS--I hope this doesn't come off as trash talk. Its late here and my rant-detector is running low..time to sleep)

cagilaba

01-07-2007, 06:47 AM

I look forward to seeing some screenshots of the new OS and applications running.

Though the N800's specs sound more like what the 770 "should have been," sadly I find the 800 quite "esthetically challenged" in comparison with its slim, classy black-and-grey predecessor. The 800's curves and color look outdated and kind of nerdy to me. Despite its specs, I personally don't see myself wanting to carry around a device like this.

In addition, I think it's a shame the hard slip-cover has disappeared. This made the device really portable. But I guess it will create a larger market for more durable cases via Brando, Proporta, etc. (which of course implies additional expenditure).

The lack of a built-in stand has never been a major issue for me, because the only time I need one is if I'm using the 770 with a keyboard, and my Stowaway Bluetooth KB has a perfect built-in stand. Though it's true that if I wanted to remove that stand in order to use the KB with my recently-purchased Samsung Q1b, it would be useful if the 770 had a built-in stand.

davidebrady

01-07-2007, 09:28 AM

Improved bluetooth headset support is what I would like to see on the n800 (if anyone can check tihs?)
I can then use my itech clip headset plugged into speakers or tv etc http://www.expansys.com/p.aspx?i=136837

cman74

01-07-2007, 10:14 AM

I want to run down to compUSA and buy one so bad, but I've spent so much money this Christmas on gadgets that I don't think I can get one without the significant other screaming at me. I'll have to find someone to buy my 770 first. Also to those who have gotten one already, how is the performance on the N800. Like when reading a pdf document, playing video, audio, usb host?, usb charging?, what opera version, what flash version, java?, what programs is included to utilise webcam, does it have audio recording or video recording, bluetooth headphones? Is there a better text entry, better handwriting recognition. Is it significantly faster? What about existing programs...will it all work on it. You would think that if they bothered to put a webcam on there they'd might as well put a higer res than a 640x480 for taking decent pictures as well.

Anyone interested in a 770? In good condition? :)

My 770 is already up on eBay ;)

A few of observations in the little time I played with it last night:

This thing is very quick and responsive. - this ALONE is worth upgrading to me.

No application crashes yet and I was running a few concurrently. In the email app, the 770 would annoyingly pause when using the scroll bar - no sign of this.

Speakers are obviously a lot louder with two at the bottom.

I hate the little sleeve that it comes in - even the black pouch from the 770 would have been better than this IMHO. The N800 does feel a lot more sturdier so I'm not too afraid of not having the metal face cover.

The videos I had stored on my 770 do not work on the N800 - it gives me a file format not supported message. I screwed around with this a bit and instead of 352 x 272 .AVI files, I am having to make 480 x 288 .MP4 files to get it to play them.

And as I mentioned before, the N800 is recognizing a 4 GB SD card. I might possibly pick up an 8 GB just out of curiosity to see if it works.

So far I can tell you that I Iove the upgrade and I can't get rid of my 770 fast enough!

Milhouse

01-07-2007, 10:56 AM

Flash video of N800 booting and running apps (including a youtube video!) here (http://blog.tokash.org/2007/01/07/nokia-n800-video-the-first-of-many).

Milhouse

01-07-2007, 11:01 AM

N800 on Nokia Online Shop :
http://direct.nokia.com/countries.aspx?model=n800

I think the price for European countries was 499eur !!!!
so.. why the f*** does it cost 499eur here, when it's $399 in the US?!?
As 1eur=$1.3usd, then it should cost 310eur in Europe !!!

Oh my God - 499 EUR equates to £336, while $400 equates to only £205 so this is over 50% markup for us Brits compared to the US price, nice! I'd have happily paid £250 for the N800 which is still a £50 markup compared to the US price, but an extra £130 is a bit bl**dy steep Nokia!

penguinbait

01-07-2007, 11:03 AM

cagilaba:

Well I agree with your observations about its horrible looking exterior, I have been so happy with my 770 (which I always use my case with). I am very much looking forward to a speed increase, despite having to carry around that ugly looking chud of the 800. (OK maybe that was a bit harsh, since I have only seen pictures, but its not pretty) I also never used my stand, from the 770, it may come in handy but, I have the nokia bt keyboard, and it has a little stand that slide out of the keyboard, so its never really been an issue. Also the webcam adds many more possibilities for this device. Does the webcam turn 360 and what is the megapixel of the camera function?

My 770 is out for repair, I have been offered 240$ for the 770 from the repair center because it is past 30 days, so far I had turned it down. I am calling 9:00am monday morning to ask them to send a check. I am praying they did fix it yet, although I talked to them friday afternoon and they had not. So Compusa has let some of thee slip through, what is the actual release date, any Compusa employees out there?????

Milhouse

01-07-2007, 11:06 AM

The webcam is VGA so 640x480 - not even a megapixel!

penguinbait

01-07-2007, 11:18 AM

does it take still frames? at 640x480? You think it would be at least the screen size.

fpp

01-07-2007, 11:25 AM

This video is fun, wathcing him launch Opera reminds me of ten years ago when the Psion Series5 was replaced with the 5mx : twice the CPU frequency (33mhz-->66 :-) and twice the RAM (8MB-->16 :-). Same form factor and apps, just twice as fast :-)

Of course there is a bit more than that to the N800, but i do hope the rumours about the european prices are unfounded : same price in euros instead of dollars is bad enough, but a hundred more ?!

jrd042

01-07-2007, 11:58 AM

Hello,

I've been to my local Compusa today and they have four in stock and on display. $399.00.

I have one on hold while I make my decision today.

J

Viipottaja

01-07-2007, 12:50 PM

J, what are you waiting for man, go for it! ;-)

I have the itch too.. BAD! :)

--J in DC

bcvthul

01-07-2007, 01:29 PM

Why is it called "N800" iso 800. Does the N reffer to the N-series used fror Nokia's phones?

skynetos

01-07-2007, 01:31 PM

I just got my N800 and I am very impressed.

One thing I do like. It seems the screen is glass instead of a film ontop of glass. It seems its a lot less likely to be marked by use than the 770 was.

Very slick.

Viipottaja

01-07-2007, 01:32 PM

Yes, it does. The box too says "welcome to the Nokia Nseries"

pycage

01-07-2007, 01:32 PM

I hope the new device won't cost 499 € in Europe, when it's so much cheaper in the US. Hmm, will there be any problems with wifi or GPRS over cell-phone when using a US device in Europe?
C'mon, 499 € must be a joke, no?

Viipottaja

01-07-2007, 01:48 PM

Let's wait till tomorrow before getting heart beats up over other than the great new device! :) I am in the US so I am ok anyway though (unless CompUSA in addition to the first sale date also got the price wrong.. oh my.. now I made myself worried... :)) I doubt that the price could be so different on the two continents. Also, I don't think there would be a problem buying one in the US and using in Europe, other than the minor annoyance of the power plug.

jrd042

01-07-2007, 03:20 PM

SD69

01-07-2007, 04:07 PM

What happened to the buttons on top? Are they just smaller or has the alternate view button been removed from the N800? Is it gone completely or is it merged somehow into the zoom buttons?

andras

01-07-2007, 04:20 PM

cman74

01-07-2007, 04:21 PM

Texrat

01-07-2007, 04:28 PM

I understand your point, but frankly the cat was already out of the bag, so why not sell them? If anything Nokia should probably be happy with the fact that (a) they made a big splash on engadget BEFORE the flood of CES drowned them out and (b) some very enthusiast bloggers (including people in this forum) are essentially doing their marketing for them by posting pics, specs, and initial reviews.

You've obviously known a lot about this new product for a while and have done a very good job (from what I can tell) of keeping quiet about it. Your ability to respect that embargo is commendable, I guess, but the people at CompUSA are SUPPOSED to sell the thing (just maybe not quite yet)! If anything, Nokia should be happy that they have sold X number of units before the thing was even properly announced!

Maybe we've all been trained by "Steve Jobs" school of product launches that they have to come completely out of left field and only be available for purchase at the pre-determined time.

If anything, this type of launch rewards those enthusiasts with a brief moment of exclusivity before the mainstream picks up on it. After all, this being a product that relies on the open source community to build apps, why not reward that community with a sneak peek at it?

Anyway, not much longer to wait for the official announcement regardless.
(PS--I hope this doesn't come off as trash talk. Its late here and my rant-detector is running low..time to sleep)

Thanks for the compliment. It's just that there's a big difference between the previous leaks and actually selling them before the proper date. It was made VERY clear to resellers that they were to respect the launch date, and that date was prominent on shipping cartons. The reason disobeying that is a problem is because it puts honorable resellers at a disadvantage.

To be honest, I hope some heads roll over this. I'm not naive enough to have previously thought it couldn't happen, but the fact that it was easily possible still doesn't make it right.

Texrat

01-07-2007, 04:32 PM

Ok I did it. It is beautiful. I’m a fairly new user so I’m somewhat overwhelmed but what I see so far I love. I had the 770 but found it to limited so I hoping in the long run this will be the one.

See, I told everyone not to jump to conclusions about its look and feel. ;) Since I first saw/held one I immediately felt it was a significant improvement in form factor alone.

I have some disappointment in certain design decisions but other than one (which was a problem with the 770 too) they are not showstoppers IMO.

There are naturally some performance improvements. It remains to be seen how significant the community will deem them to be.

onpaws

01-07-2007, 04:35 PM

I can confirm that it comes with a wired stereo headset with microphone

onpaws

01-07-2007, 04:37 PM

btw. I love the pivoting caMera. Can't wait to see some video software to take advantage of it.

Texrat

01-07-2007, 04:40 PM

btw. I love the pivoting caMera. Can't wait to see some video software to take advantage of it.

I would like to hear from any N800 users who experience an image that will not flip after 90 degree rotation (toward the rear). Please start a new thread in Troubleshooting and/or PM me. Thanks.

wls

01-07-2007, 04:51 PM

What happened to the buttons on top? Are they just smaller or has the alternate view button been removed from the N800? Is it gone completely or is it merged somehow into the zoom buttons?

They are still there just smaller and chromed. Another bad style decision I am afraid. What was the point of making them smaller and harder to find and push? Nokia realy did it wrong messing with the functional simplicity of the 770 and going for more flash at the expense of function.

johsua

01-07-2007, 04:58 PM

Although I still don't think I'll spend the money to upgrade - I am curious about one thing: How is the battery life?

fpp

01-07-2007, 05:02 PM

See, I told everyone not to jump to conclusions about its look and feel. ;) Since I first saw/held one I immediately felt it was a significant improvement in form factor alone.

I have some disappointment in certain design decisions but other than one (which was a problem with the 770 too) they are not showstoppers IMO.

A penny for that showstopper of yours ? :-)

Karel Jansens

01-07-2007, 05:18 PM

What in the name of the Seventh Hell is that blotch on the bottom left side of the screen?

cman74

01-07-2007, 05:25 PM

What in the name of the Seventh Hell is that blotch on the bottom left side of the screen?

It's the tab that you pull to take the clear screen protector off. Still have mine on until I order a proper screen protector.

Karel Jansens

01-07-2007, 05:39 PM

It's the tab that you pull to take the clear screen protector off. Still have mine on until I order a proper screen protector.

Oh, good. From the video it looked like one of those "self portrait mirrors" many camera cell phones have and I've been trying to think up new names to describe the stupidity of the designer who thought that was a good idea...
____

"Aaaargghh! you stupid f**kface!!!" was the best I could think of sofar.

phi

01-07-2007, 06:03 PM

So anyone wanna post a video on how slow or fast it handles youtube/google video?

flareup

01-07-2007, 06:05 PM

heads up - previous link works, nokia europe in stock and taking orders at 269 quid. I think I was the first on here to ask about what became known as WSOD so wish me luck!!!

Milhouse

01-07-2007, 06:06 PM

So anyone wanna post a video on how slow or fast it handles youtube/google video?

Why not try following the link in post #55 (http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=27935&postcount=55) of this very thread? :)

phi

01-07-2007, 06:18 PM

Why not try following the link in post #55 (http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=27935&postcount=55) of this very thread? :)

oops, i missed that, thanks! :)

imrahil

01-07-2007, 06:19 PM

heads up - previous link works, nokia europe in stock and taking orders at 269 quid. I think I was the first on here to ask about what became known as WSOD so wish me luck!!!

grrr... still not in Poland :P
and why that expensive?! 399 euro?! it's about $520 ! !

Milhouse

01-07-2007, 06:19 PM

heads up - previous link works, nokia europe in stock and taking orders at 269 quid. I think I was the first on here to ask about what became known as WSOD so wish me luck!!!

Have also just placed an order for £269 with free shipping! :) I ordered one of the first 770's back in November 2005 (price: £245) and it's been fault free in all that time so not too worried about being one of the first again.

This works out at $519 / €399 so still pretty expensive when compared to the $400 in US but no doubt due to the exceptionally good GBP/USD exchange rate.

Can't really complain too much when the new device is costing only £24 more than the old one!

sveinan

01-07-2007, 06:32 PM

Just posted order for Norway. Price in shopping cart: €335. But that is without VAT (Norway -> outside EU).

BTW, link to use for shopping (know it is further back, but maybe some others are to lazy):
http://direct.nokia.com/countries.aspx?model=n800

saxen

01-07-2007, 07:01 PM

SeRi@lDiE

01-07-2007, 07:16 PM

Nope... no spoon in North Houston. And they are not willing to transfer one from another store. CompUSA sux.

Texrat

01-07-2007, 07:27 PM

Oh, good. From the video it looked like one of those "self portrait mirrors" many camera cell phones have and I've been trying to think up new names to describe the stupidity of the designer who thought that was a good idea...
____

"Aaaargghh! you stupid f**kface!!!" was the best I could think of sofar.

I gave you guys hints a long time ago about that. :p

jayholler

01-07-2007, 07:27 PM

yeah, no luck here at the Parsippany NJ store either. i'm going to keep trying until i can pick one up though.

Texrat

01-07-2007, 07:29 PM

A penny for that showstopper of yours ? :-)

The distance between the two sets of buttons. It was too easy with the 770 to press Undo/Back/Cancel when trying to press the Down direction button instead.

Beefy6969

01-07-2007, 07:29 PM

Cheapest I found online for a 8GB SD = $99. I'll just wait until someone on here confirm that the N800 will accept this.

xnio333x

01-07-2007, 07:39 PM

yeah, no luck here at the Parsippany NJ store either. i'm going to keep trying until i can pick one up though.

no dice at the springfield,nj store either,but i managed to pick one up at the edison store.

i also have a samsung q1b thats supposed to be here on tuesday. one of these must go back or the wife will leave me :(

Bernard

01-07-2007, 07:40 PM

Can anybody tell me what the battery life is of the new N800?
Nokia normally does a good job at that, so it probably won't be that different from the 770, but I'd like to know for sure.

Furthermore were is this new tablet made? I read that the prototype was made in Korea, is the final one also?

How is the stability? I hated the crashes of the 770, and I hope it is ironed out in the new OS.

What IS running on this OS? Internet Tablet 2007? Will it also be available for the Nokia 770? That would we helpful for me in order to test stability.
But Nokia doesn't have a very good track record when it comes to long term support, so I wouldn't at all be surprised if the new OS would be N800 only. THAT would suck, especially if they ended support and OS updates for the 770 from now on. That would also make me think twice about geting a N800. A product that has 14 months of support from Nokia is rather expensive at 400 euros.
But Nokia also does that with their Symbian phones. A lot of/most software that is developed for the latest S60 third edition does not work on second or first edition, and there is no update for the OS on the phones.
I really hope Nokia changes its ways on the Tablets.

So it pretty much comes down to the new OS. They should release the update for the 770. And after I installed it on the 770 and concluded that it is finally stable, than I'll buy a new N800 for myself and recommend all of my friend to get one as well.

onpaws

01-07-2007, 07:47 PM

It runs 2007 software.

johsua

01-07-2007, 07:50 PM

from http://maemo.org/downloads/releases.html:

You cannot flash your old Nokia 770 device with the new OS 2007 Edition. More details available from maemo 2.1 and 3.0 compatibility page.

hmmm...

wls

01-07-2007, 08:02 PM

found on the maemo.org site some interesting info on the N800 in their FAQ
One tidbit
The cpu is a TI omap2420 processor running at 330mhz
here is the link to an explanation of it's processor
http://dspvillage.ti.com/pdfs/omap2architecture.pdf
This is one nice chip and we are getting the deluxe version with enhanced video capabilities. SWEET!

daverod

01-07-2007, 08:04 PM

Can anyone that has an N800 in their hands post whether or not there is some form of headset functionality, either via BT or wired? Just something other than holding the unit against the side of your head?

Thanks!

I got one! woohoo!

It comes with a wired headset, just like the 770. I can't find anything in the bluetooth settings to indicate it can pair with a BT headset. Unfortunately, I lost my BT headset on friday. I won't know for sure until I find it.

Rocketman

01-07-2007, 08:04 PM

I just got a N800 from a certain store in Bellevue, WA. At first, they told me they didn't have them in stock. I had them go in back to check if they had just arrived and sure enough they were in the back. The manager told me I couldn't have one for a few days though. I did a little huffing and hawing. On my way out, an employee asked about buying my 770 and we came to terms. I left and thought I would be gone a few days. I got a call back from the employee and he met me in the store with a box, ran me through the checkout and I walked out of the store with my N800 a few days early :)

Best thing so far:

- SUPPORTS BLUETOOTH KEYBOARDS OUT OF THE BOX!

Worst thing:

- The buttons are way too small and feel cheap. The front rocker and tripple button have some play to them. I am pretty upset about this, frankly, as this is a major downgrade from the quality of construction and useability of the 770. I think there is enough new functionality and speed improvements to keep me from returning it, but I am not at all happy.

onpaws

01-07-2007, 08:09 PM

for those who are finding difficulty in picking one up, try other salespeople. the salesperson i worked with, didn't mind bending the rules to earn a little commission on the device...

xnio333x

01-07-2007, 09:17 PM

i'm not sure if anyone picked up on this, but it looks like the flash player is version 7. with regards to youtube, i noticed that when i loered the video quality and increased the amount of info flash can store on the device, the viideo playback was alot smoother. hope this helps.

Bernard

01-07-2007, 10:11 PM

from http://maemo.org/downloads/releases.html:

You cannot flash your old Nokia 770 device with the new OS 2007 Edition. More details available from maemo 2.1 and 3.0 compatibility page.

hmmm...

I HATE NOKIA! so no OS2007 for the 770. that is jut so typical nokia.
i wonder when the next tablet will be released, and end support for the n800

Texrat

01-07-2007, 10:32 PM

for those who are finding difficulty in picking one up, try other salespeople. the salesperson i worked with, didn't mind bending the rules to earn a little commission on the device...

Again: any developers why buy early are cheating themselves. The developer discount has already been announced on maemo.

I HATE NOKIA! so no OS2007 for the 770. that is jut so typical nokia.
i wonder when the next tablet will be released, and end support for the n800

Putting OS 2007 on the 770 would be analogous to installing Windows Vista on a Tandy 1000.

Viipottaja

01-07-2007, 10:42 PM

Bernard, stop *****ing. ;) Probably it would not work on N770 anyway, and would in any case overwhelm it as Texrat points out.

Ok, the official press release is now out too:
www.mobileburn.com
www.phonescoop.com

ps. that N76 looks weird... but whatever.. if people want Razr clones, no matter how ugly the original was, they shall have them.. lol.. Well, perhaps it looks better once I see it for myself. At least Nokia has packed it with decent features.. but N75 looks still much better to me.

Texrat

01-07-2007, 11:12 PM

I've held an early version of the N76... I was impressed.

phi

01-07-2007, 11:18 PM

3 hours of battery life?! they couldn't have put a stronger battery in?

Texrat

01-07-2007, 11:20 PM

3 hours of battery life?! they couldn't have put a stronger battery in?

3 hours continuous internet usage. 10 hours standby. Normal usage will lie somewhere in between (I hear 6 hours a lot). Same battery the 770 used.

phi

01-07-2007, 11:27 PM

i figure faster cpu + 2 memory slots would eat up a lot of power. besides, shouldn't the battery be beefed up by now anyway?

dcarter

01-07-2007, 11:40 PM

has anyone been able to make the thinkoutside stowaway bluetooth keyboard work with the N800 OS2007? I can't....

Oh, and as I can readily confirm that gnumeric, mplayer, doom (with cool wads), and abiword all install (mplayer wouldn't play the onboard demo video correctly though), and that I would need to uninstall debconf to make maemomapper work, I think it is safe to say that 2006 N770 users will still be a part of the software base of 2007 N800 programming.

And who cares about stupid VGA functionality, anyways??

dcarter

Texrat

01-08-2007, 12:35 AM

i figure faster cpu + 2 memory slots would eat up a lot of power. besides, shouldn't the battery be beefed up by now anyway?

How big and heavy a battery do you want?

I think increased emphasis on power efficiency would make more sense.

johsua

01-08-2007, 01:09 AM

The nokiausa site has the n800 up for ordering:

http://www.nokiausa.com/N800

uNtouched

01-08-2007, 01:34 AM

You know what I'd actually be willing to Ship these things if it meant that the Euro/UK people saved a grip of money, because I think that's BS that they would get charged more.

Fidibus

01-08-2007, 02:09 AM

Hi,

gives any new Versions from Opera (Browser) and Adobe (Flash) for the N800 ?

Thanks for your information :)

Fidibus

Jaykie

01-08-2007, 03:02 AM

Not sure if this is old news but seems like Skype is coming for N800 also.

Edit:

I removed a link because I'm not sure if it's only available for press.

Jaykie

benny1967

01-08-2007, 03:21 AM

Not sure if this is old news but seems like Skype is coming for N800 also.

This is, in fact, bad news. The Maeomo platform should be about free solutions and Nokia should have put more effort in SIP-enabling the 770 in the first place. Skype is non-free software and shouldn't be part of a standard software set for any Maemo-based device.

Batnun

01-08-2007, 03:21 AM

In stock now...

Just ordered from Nokia store:
http://direct.nokia.com/Product.aspx?model=N800

Have fun!
Batnun

idangazit

01-08-2007, 03:21 AM

ARRRRGH!! :mad:

I saw the leaked FCC docs but it sounded like the N800 would only be released sometime in 2007, so I bought a 770, barely three weeks ago, thinking that I'd value having the device for the next half a year more than I would value having the latest and greatest, but only in half a year. Plus they started on a marketing drive with ads for the 770! I should have known it for what it was: them trying to clear out their existing stock before launching the new toy. It simply reeks of the ugliest behavior. Not illegal, just unethical.

This is so maddening. They couldn't let customers know that they were just about to obsolete the "new" hardware they were buying? That the new OS would not be backwards compatible? That the kinds of applications I really miss on the 770 (skype) would not be made available for the 770? I feel like I bought an expensive tool that nobody will be developing for anymore because the new OS is not backwards / API compatible, and (let's face it) -- nobody develops new toys for the old target.

Of course, no mention of trade-up program in sight. I hate it when corporatios pull stunts like this -- I know there are a lot of people for whom $350 is no big deal, but when I plunk that kind of cash down I want to know that I'm getting something with some future development lifetime in it, and not something that is 2 seconds away from obsoletion. I am not about to spend another $400.

Just to be clear, it's not that I think the 770 is useless. I love it, with some quirks. I just hate discovering that my machine is EOL two minutes after buying it. I feel like nokia just defecated on me. Even microsoft has trade-up programs when they are about to release new versions of software, where they give you a coupon to get Vista or whatever is the next thing to come out (yeah, I know that it's software vs. hardware, but it's just an example).

Sign. /endrant.

-I

benny1967

01-08-2007, 03:32 AM

from http://maemo.org/downloads/releases.html:

You cannot flash your old Nokia 770 device with the new OS 2007 Edition. More details available from maemo 2.1 and 3.0 compatibility page.

hmmm...

ouch ... now this is a really, really bad one.
there has to be a really good reason for this (such as "OS2007 doesnt fit the 770s memory" or such), otherwise i take this personal. they kick in my face.

Milhouse

01-08-2007, 03:55 AM

ouch ... now this is a really, really bad one.
there has to be a really good reason for this (such as "OS2007 doesnt fit the 770s memory" or such), otherwise i take this personal. they kick in my face.

The N800 is different hardware - new CPU with floating point support and other features, webcam, Bluetooth 2.0 - so the new firmware isn't likely to be compatible with the 770 hardware. That doesn't mean it isn't possible to build a version of OS2007 targetted for the 770, maybe that will happen in time but I guess Nokia have been busy getting it ready for the N800.

i figure faster cpu + 2 memory slots would eat up a lot of power. besides, shouldn't the battery be beefed up by now anyway?

The OMAP2420 CPU in the N800 is more power efficient than the OMAP1710 in the 770, so it may be that power consumption is roughly the same in both devices (the additional memory will draw more power, as will the camera etc.).

Hi,
gives any new Versions from Opera (Browser) and Adobe (Flash) for the N800 ?

Opera 8.5 and Flash 7

Milhouse

01-08-2007, 04:07 AM

Milhouse

01-08-2007, 04:17 AM

Interesting accessory for the N800: http://www.europe.nokia.com/A4156071?s=800

It's a case (should provide the screen with some protection) and it has "two additional magnets allow you to attach your Nokia N800 Internet Tablet to where you want to keep it, like the refridgerator door." Riiiight!

fpp

01-08-2007, 04:35 AM

A sticker he couldn't take off perhaps ? :-)

benny1967

01-08-2007, 04:50 AM

The N800 is different hardware - new CPU with floating point support and other features, webcam, Bluetooth 2.0 - so the new firmware isn't likely to be compatible with the 770 hardware. That doesn't mean it isn't possible to build a version of OS2007 targetted for the 770, maybe that will happen in time but I guess Nokia have been busy getting it ready for the N800.

I know it's new hardware - that's what it's all about. :)

However, I also know that I can easily compile all of my Desktop OS for a new platform. - You know, the reason why I get a bit upset here is that this is exactly the one point that made me choose a (supposedly) "open" device rather than one based on proprietary SW like Microsoft's: When Microsoft says a new Zune-Firmware will not run on 1st Generation Zune-Hardware, I'll live with it because I knew from the start these things would happen.

Nokia, on the other hand, claims that their 770/N800-devices are built around free software; this would mean the community had access to all the sources and could happily build a version of the OS2007 that will run on a 770.
We always knew that Nokias Software is not free at all, we knew that they did include proprietary parts. But we never cared that much, did we? We were happy to play with the toy. - Now it's the first time that we suffer the consequences: They decided not to make OS2007 available to the early adopters, to their most faithful customers, and there's nothing we can do about it. It's closed source, in fact. They take from the community, but what they give back is just not enough.

Jaykie

01-08-2007, 04:51 AM

"Fill it with your favourite videos and songs" Yeah sure, if you have videos in the very limited formats supported by the Nokia video player and don't mind poor framerates and tearing... :(

You don't believe Omap2420 can handle video formats better than 1710? At least it has 2d/3d graphics accelerator and imaging video accelator and higher clock speed. http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=11990&contentId=4671

Maybe they have some driver problems that doesn't allow N800 to take everything out of 2420 (dunno haven't seen N800 in action:) ) but I'm sure it's better than 770 in that area.

Jaykie

benny1967

01-08-2007, 04:56 AM

Nokia N800 Press Release: http://www.nokia.com/A4136001?newsid=1096861
Nokia N800 page: http://www.nseries.com/products/n800

"Fill it with your favourite videos and songs" Yeah sure, if you have videos in the very limited formats supported by the Nokia video player and don't mind poor framerates and tearing... :(

Mhm... What is it you're experiencing? I regularly watch full movies (90min or such) in fullscreen in good quality when I'm on the train with my 770; I never had reason to complain about the framerate or even tearing.

In fact, I consider the multimedia capabilities one of the 770s strengths.

Milhouse

01-08-2007, 05:18 AM

You don't believe Omap2420 can handle video formats better than 1710? At least it has 2d/3d graphics accelerator and imaging video accelator and higher clock speed.

Yep, the OMAP2420 has hardware video support that allows 30fps VGA video decoding, and of course it's a more powerful CPU and has floating point support. But that's of no value unless the software is there to take advantage of the hardware.

I don't have an N800 yet (on order - maybe tomorrow or Wednesday) but if the video decoder is anything like that in the 770 then pretty much every video I have will fail with "Unsupported Format" or whatever the error is. No video larger than 352x208 supported etc. Still no DivX or XVid support in the N800!

There are tons of video formats and resolutions that will cause the 770 choke, I can only hope the N800 is significantly improved, but suspect it will support the usual subset of video formats. Sure I can transcode all my DivX/XVid videos to a supported format but wouldn't it be better if the 770 and N800 weren't so picky?

Why Nokia haven't thrown their support behind Serge and the mplayer port I really don't know. :(

fpp

01-08-2007, 06:09 AM

Of course there is a bit more than that to the N800, but i do hope the rumours about the european prices are unfounded : same price in euros instead of dollars is bad enough, but a hundred more ?!
OK, so they're not *that* mad after all :-)
Official price for France as of this morning is 399€ (the "euro tax" :-), which is only 40€ more than the 770 a year ago. Even less actually, because at the time shipping was extra, but now it's included. So not too bad...

Fidibus

01-08-2007, 06:13 AM

Hi,

i up-to-date ordered the N800 - make me happy - Supply latest Wednesday this week - I hoppe, "Internet Tablet OS 2007 edition", Flash 7, the new CPU Power, more RAM and 256 MByte Flash-Storage an improvement :)

Fidibus

jurop88

01-08-2007, 06:48 AM

I ordered mine, too! And my wife's birthday will be tomorrow, perhaps I will have success in figuring she out that's her new toy... Hmmm, that one will be rather hard :D

benny1967

01-08-2007, 06:51 AM

EDITED:
This post refers to a press release that was obviously wrong; the N800 is available through Nokia Online Shops for Europe now, too, and it's € 399 including taxes. I keep it here in small print because someone quotes it below. :)

OK, so they're not *that* mad after all :-)
Official price for France as of this morning is 399€ (the "euro tax" :-), which is only 40€ more than the 770 a year ago. Even less actually, because at the time shipping was extra, but now it's included. So not too bad...

A german language press release stated "€ 399 without taxes", which could mean up to €479 including tax depending on where you live/buy. :mad:

I bought my 770 for € 249 (=USD 295 back then) in March 2006. - The package included a D-Link wireless router.

benny1967

01-08-2007, 06:59 AM

I ordered mine, too! And my wife's birthday will be tomorrow, perhaps I will have success in figuring she out that's her new toy... Hmmm, that one will be rather hard :D

:D That's by far the best comment in this thread ... Tell us if it worked and, if it did, how you managed it. I see some very, very exciting possibilities on the horizon :)

Die_allianz

01-08-2007, 07:40 AM

A german language press release stated "€ 399 without taxes", which could mean up to €479 including tax depending on where you live/buy. :mad:

I bought my 770 for € 249 (=USD 295 back then) in March 2006. - The package included a D-Link wireless router.

399€ for Germany (i think everywhere in europe)

just ordered one :D

=DC=

01-08-2007, 09:01 AM

This is so maddening. They couldn't let customers know that they were just about to obsolete the "new" hardware they were buying? That the new OS would not be backwards compatible? That the kinds of applications I really miss on the 770 (skype) would not be made available for the 770? I feel like I bought an expensive tool that nobody will be developing for anymore because the new OS is not backwards / API compatible, and (let's face it) -- nobody develops new toys for the old target.

Just to be clear, it's not that I think the 770 is useless. I love it, with some quirks. I just hate discovering that my machine is EOL two minutes after buying it. I feel like nokia just defecated on me. Even microsoft has trade-up programs when they are about to release new versions of software, where they give you a coupon to get Vista or whatever is the next thing to come out (yeah, I know that it's software vs. hardware, but it's just an example).

Don't worry idangazit, solid.gold.code will be sure to continue development for the 770 for as long as there is at least 1 770 left in existence. Mark my words. :D

Invicta

01-08-2007, 09:19 AM

=DC=

01-08-2007, 09:49 AM

Let me predict the future:

January 2008 Nokia will announce new internet tablet, model N900. It will feature minor hardware upgrades, hw keyboard, 3d support, two cameras and OS2008. Software developed for N900 won't be fully compatible with previous models and OS2008 will not run in 770 or N800. Software developers will be pribed to new device by offering it to them at 1/4 of the normal retail price in order to ensure their intrest solely to new hardware version.
Good one, but even then there will be continued development for previous Internet Tablets, because some of us still think there's still some more tricks left in the 770 bag that have yet to be performed. And the N800 will no doubt be just as magical. :D

jan@ieper

01-08-2007, 10:00 AM

can anybody tell me if the usb port on the N800 is this time a powered one

looking forward to get one

c1261015

01-08-2007, 10:34 AM

Let me predict the future:

January 2008 Nokia will announce new internet tablet, model N900. It will feature minor hardware upgrades, hw keyboard, 3d support, two cameras and OS2008. Software developed for N900 won't be fully compatible with previous models and OS2008 will not run in 770 or N800. Software developers will be pribed to new device by offering it to them at 1/4 of the normal retail price in order to ensure their intrest solely to new hardware version.

If you are right with your prognosis, the processor for N900 is already available: OMAP3430

nickmar

01-08-2007, 11:06 AM

Are the buttons on the top site of the N800 user configurable in Opera? With OS2005, I was able to edit an INI file in order to change the functionality of the +/- rocker button on the top side of the 770 from zoom in/out to page up/down in Opera but this "feature" was disabled in OS2006. Does the N800 and OS2007 re-introduce this ability?

Thanks in advance.

Viipottaja

01-08-2007, 12:16 PM

You know, that accessory mentioned in post #124 and the two magnets/refrigerator door >> I would, actually, stick it to the fridge door as I often use my 770 to find new recipes to try out/destroy in the kitchen! :)

Ok, I guess I again revealed how horribly low tech I am.. and for that I am also happy to see on Maemo that N800 app downloads are supposed to be "single click/button" -easy. Hooray! :)

Milhouse

01-08-2007, 12:30 PM

You know, that accessory mentioned in post #124 and the two magnets/refrigerator door >> I would, actually, stick it to the fridge door as I often use my 770 to find new recipes to try out/destroy in the kitchen! :)

They had better be neodymium super strong magnets otherwise I have visions of myself absently mindedly slamming the fridge door after removing a bottle of milk, totally forgetting I've attached with magnets a fairly weighty and expensive chunk of electronics and glass which, while suspended in mid air, gives up the battle against gravity and subsequently slams into the kitchen floor from a height of about 5.5 feet... :(

Perhaps it can claimed as a warranty repair considering Nokia recommended it? :)

eskin

01-08-2007, 12:33 PM

Anyone know if the N800 is available anywhere in Southern California, preferably near San Diego? The two CompUSA stores I visited yesterday here in San Diego didn't have them, didn't know when they'd have them.

mallard

01-08-2007, 12:49 PM

Putting OS 2007 on the 770 would be analogous to installing Windows Vista on a Tandy 1000.

Not really, it would be more like installing Vista on a machine that shipped with XP SP2, i.e. Suboptimal, but it works and is often worthwhile.

Viipottaja

01-08-2007, 12:54 PM

Milhouse, excellent point.. luckily the side of my fridge is also exposed so I won't have to put in on the door exactly. :)

Ah the dilemmas of the moder consumer: whether to buy N800, or one or two N75s for my wife and I, or wait for the N95... Too many, too difficult choises > obvious, inevitable conclusion > have to buy them all.. :D

brendan

01-08-2007, 01:14 PM

when will it be available to the masses? CompUSA doesnt have it on their site, or in the two stores i went to yesterday. the press release is out, when is the official launch date?

cman74

01-08-2007, 01:22 PM

Texrat

01-08-2007, 01:53 PM

Not really, it would be more like installing Vista on a machine that shipped with XP SP2, i.e. Suboptimal, but it works and is often worthwhile.

No. Despite the short time span, there is a "generation's" difference between the two devices. Far too many changes for 100% backward compatibility, suboptimal or otherwise.

I find it ironic that some people who asked for more power are now complaining about the unexpected consequences. ;)

mallard

01-08-2007, 02:23 PM

No. Despite the short time span, there is a "generation's" difference between the two devices. Far too many changes for 100% backward compatibility, suboptimal or otherwise.

I find it ironic that some people who asked for more power are now complaining about the unexpected consequences. ;)

We have a faster CPU, of the same architecture, more RAM, a webcam, BT 2.0 and 2 full-size SD/MMC slots.

While this is great, I will be buying an N800, the upgrade is to my eyes incremental, apart from the webcam, the changes are those that were expected in a revised 770 (which is what the N800 is).

I understand that the two devices would represent different build targets for the OS, but I see nothing that would prevent the 2007 OS from being relatively easily backported to the 770.

Texrat

01-08-2007, 02:34 PM

but I see nothing that would prevent the 2007 OS from being relatively easily backported to the 770.

Looks like those involved with its development did...

aflegg

01-08-2007, 02:46 PM

That's not what I'm hearing...

Viipottaja

01-08-2007, 03:07 PM

I know the Skype cooperation (just also announced in Kallasvuo's webcast) is evil for some purists, but to me that's exiting news. Let's face it, no one uses Google Talk for now, and having the webcam and not being able to use it would be silly - from a marketing, sales, and everyday usability point of view, that is. Same goes for the announced Rhapsody coop.

Nokia IS aiming to make this a consumer product this time, not just a developer produt. Perhaps its too early, I don't know. But that's where its going, it seems to me.

And WiMax next year (i.e. new tablet next year, right?).

Texrat

01-08-2007, 03:19 PM

I've tested the webcam with Google Talk-- no go for now. Google Talk needs the Festoon plugin for video functionality and the tablet software can't seem to deal with that, and vice versa. :(

That's not what I'm hearing...

??? then why the info on maemo?

aflegg

01-08-2007, 03:32 PM

benny1967

01-08-2007, 03:33 PM

... but I see nothing that would prevent the 2007 OS from being relatively easily backported to the 770.

... except, of course, the fact that marketing people might think they could sell more N800s if they break compatibility intentionally and thereby force consumers to get the new hardware sooner.

The more I think about it, the more it seems to me that this is the only reason. You see, there's this Nokia executive, and his tech people tell him:
"We can make the OS2007 available for the 770. It will take some extra time and effort for the original N800-codebase to separate things a bit, clean up the mess. And of course the team will then need xy weeks to do the backporting and testing. We estimate costs of EUR xy for the whole project and a delay of xy days for the N800."

Then this Nokia-guy asks:
"Sounds expensive. What if we don't do all that?"

The techs:
"That would be really bad, software development would focus on the new OS2007 pretty soon and leave our existing 770-users without 3rd party updates sooner or later. They'd probably have to buy a N800, then."

Now the Nokia executive understands:
"Now, you tell me plan A is to invest money and sell less N800s. Plan B is to have the new OS2007 available sooner, not invest any extra money and make more people buy the N800. - Well, this is a tough decision. Let me think about it for a moment..."

Texrat

01-08-2007, 03:49 PM

I don't know. There's nothing definitive on maemo.org which says a version of OS 2007 will never be released for 2006, not even on the compatibility page:

http://www.maemo.org/downloads/maemo_3_compatibility.html

Is it internal or external information which makes you believe otherwise?

Hang on-- it's everyone else making the absolute claim. *I* said everyone was jumping too fast, and just made general comments about the issue. I apologize if my comments led anyone to think I knew for sure it was completely incompatible-- I just answered comments stating it was as if they knew what they were talking about.

So someone else tell me: what definitvely says there will never be a 2007 OS for the 770? Is that just an assumption? Because I don't have any further info on that particular subject.

paulrb02

01-08-2007, 03:51 PM

benny1967

01-08-2007, 04:07 PM

so where can I get this wallet/case for the n800 (the one with the refrigerator magnets) I see it listed the europe.nokia.com site but I can't find it on the US site, any ideas on where to pick this up?

Mhm... The site does't say much about the case, does it? Could it be they're selling a replacement for the metal cover separately now? I'd be interested in the material and design of the thing. The picture doesn't show much... it looks more like a rectangular piece of leather to fit the screen than a case.

If anyone gets one of these, I'd be interested in pictures. :)

Invicta

01-08-2007, 04:39 PM

It's out. No OS2007 (http://jaaksi.blogspot.com/) to 770.

So as of now
-we keep on selling and supporting 770s
-we expect many Maemo applications to be made available for both products
-hacking and development will be supported on both platforms
-Nokia will not integrate and make OS2007 available for 770

They expect applications to be made available for both - and just how they think they can force 3rd party developers to do that? Or are they going to do it at Nokia? I think now is the time warn anyone thinking of buying N800 - prepare to buy new one next year!

aflegg

01-08-2007, 04:50 PM

Yup. Interesting wording, though:

Nokia will not integrate and make OS2007 available for 770

Depending on what happens with the Maemo 2.x series now, I see the following as the best strategy forward for the 770 community:

Fork it.

Combine Maemo 2.x as a base, with the proprietary components of the 770 image overlaid and then merge changes from the Maemo 3.x public tree back.

This should, theoretically, result in a new software image for the 770 with the same proprietary components (no Opera 8.5 or Flash 7), but improved desktop, applications etc.

This is not likely to be easy (losing the proprietary components isn't too hard, but maintaining them as well as the rest of the updated framework might be: especially since they can't be recompiled).

fpp

01-08-2007, 05:05 PM

aflegg

01-08-2007, 05:10 PM

Indeed. It is not, by any stretch of the imagination, an ideal scenario.

ReinhardE

01-08-2007, 06:07 PM

I'm pissed off!!!
I'm going to dump Nokia and wait until there will be a real open source device.

lbattraw

01-08-2007, 07:03 PM

That is, unfortunately, exactly the situation I fled from in the Zaurus space : on one side, a plethora of "free", hacker-oriented distributions, all half-done and lacking key end-user components ; on the other, a few brave maintainers of QTopia derivatives of the original firmware, trying to introduce improvements while keeping the useful or mandatory proprietary bits. Eventually the latter became so hobbled by the constraints of the legacy software that they just lost interest and disappeared.
Exactly. I had a Zaurus too and for a while virtually everyone was making a distro for it, which led to lots and lots of re-flashing and frustration with the limitations and bugginess inherent in that. Eventually my Z broke; I had a protection plan on it and used the money to buy a digital camera. I'm not particularly sad about that as Sharp shot itself in the foot repetitively with the terrible way they communicated and interacted with the community.

Ari Jaaksi wrote:
... However,as I said Nokia will not make Os2007 on 770.

But I agree that with more time and resources we could have provided a better support for the 770. We will learn from this!
https://www2.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=16130344&postID=7479095527846199166

The funny thing is that he phrases it as if the 770 support is dead-and-buried already. R.I.P. 770, basically. I don't understand his statement about learning from it at all because it's as if it's somehow going to be so much easier to support the n800 when the "n900" (or whatever) comes out. It doesn't make any sense; unless the next device will have little or no changes from this one -unlikely- we'll be in the same situation next year. He'll be sorry about dropping support for the n800 and sure it'll be better next time.
/rant

Sorry, I just really feel like somebody punched me, hearing the official news about this. I was so hoping that Nokia would get it right and provide continuity and compatibility from device to device, even if it was only for one generation back. I was planning on getting a n800 but now it doesn't seem like a good idea any more.

Larry

Texrat

01-08-2007, 07:22 PM

I think Ari is referring to the support up to this point of the 770, not necessarily meaning to kill it off at this point.

And his posts are written in the infamous "Finnglish", which means there's the possibility of misinterpretation. I would take the most important sentence in that post ("we will learn from this!") and take some comfort from that-- and everything else with a grain of salt. ;)

Beefy6969

01-08-2007, 08:00 PM

Can someone recommend a 4GB SD card? I see various speeds 50x, 150x, SDHC, SDA 2.0?

Does the speed of the card matter for the N800? Will a fast SD card make web browsing any faster? And once i get my card, what memory tweaks, files swaps, etc should I do to my N800?

Zim

01-08-2007, 08:21 PM

Does the speed of the card matter for the N800? Will a fast SD card make web browsing any faster? And once i get my card, what memory tweaks, files swaps, etc should I do to my N800?

Card speed really only matters when copying large files straight to or from a card itself, in normal use you'd be hard pressed to notice the difference. It does not impact the web browser in any way.

I recommend first trying the device without any swap files or other tweaks. Unlike the 770, the N800 has quite a lot (percentage wise of total memory) free working memory after booting up. If an application manages to consume all this memory, it's probably consuming memory at such a rate that it's just going to chew through whatever swap you have. This is not a good thing, it's probably better that the application just terminates instead of brining the whole device to a grinding halt because of the swapping.

Swap is a good thing if you find that you cannot have as many applications open at the same time as you would like. This isn't easy to achieve, you can open every single application that comes installed on the N800 without exhausting the memory.

Beefy6969

01-08-2007, 08:37 PM

Thanks for the info Zim! You rawk!

Im gonna do dual 4GBs, maybe dual 8GBs...hmmm?

Milhouse

01-08-2007, 11:01 PM

Can someone recommend a 4GB SD card? I see various speeds 50x, 150x, SDHC, SDA 2.0?

I started the thread 4GB+ SD Cards - list of working cards? (http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3895) to gather this information - so far nobody has logged any details (though I only created it a few hours ago!)

If there are no entries after a few days I'd become suspicious about claims that 4GB cards work, or it could be that the thread has dropped off the radar (I may have to bounce it a few times!)

konfoo

01-09-2007, 12:41 AM

Just picked up mine today. The Mission Viejo CompUSA had about 4 in stock. :)

dcarter

01-09-2007, 02:37 AM

Woah I've had my N880 a whole day, went on the "homepage", and nokia already has an update for me......

yep. OS 2007 edition v. 2.2006.51-6 is now available! I'm downloading it now......supposedly it provides "Nokia Internet Call Invitation (Beta) feature..new feature for easy internet calling between Nokia N800 and PC users; also calls between two N800s are supported...a simple wizard through which N800 users can smoothly invite their friends to free-of-charge internet video or voice calls by chat or email......", Bluetooth connection on/off enabler, and Improvements in finger usage, among other improvements"

and I am positive that those other improvements will include support for my thinkoutside stowaway bluetooth keyboard, divx and xvid codec support, and the almightly magical ability for the N880 to run maemomapper (rendering hopelessly needless the proprietary "navicore")

oop sarcastometer overload..

dcarter

Mara

01-09-2007, 09:54 AM

Just to let you know Ebay has one seller selling N800's for $359.99 +$14 shipping... If you are in NY then you need to add sales tax....

I wasn't planning to buy N800 now but I think the price above was too good to pass by... :D

There are still 24 more left for purchase, if anyone interested. :rolleyes:

Texrat

01-09-2007, 10:02 AM

I'd be careful with units on eBay at this point. They may be preproduction units.

Mara

01-09-2007, 10:19 AM

I'd be careful with units on eBay at this point. They may be preproduction units.

Might very well be, but so do all the CompUSA store units at this point? It still come with full manufacturer's warranty...

Texrat

01-09-2007, 10:30 AM

No, the CompUSA devices are production. But any devices which are already on eBay, especially in significant numbers from a single vendor, are suspect.

Mara

01-09-2007, 10:42 AM

We'll see... the seller is not a "small" retailer, just take a look at their store:
http://stores.ebay.com/Datavision-Computer-Video

Texrat: Do you have insider information to who Nokia has made shipments of the preproduction units? Is there any specific country/factory where pre-production units have been built?

Any chance to tell by looking at the serial number of the unit? (I think it is the MAC address but each factory must have been assigned different MAC address range to use, and can be tracked back to the factory.

Texrat

01-09-2007, 10:50 AM

I can't give out that info, sorry.

It's also possible that some inside orders were leaked to an external vendor. But again, I have good reason to be suspicious at this point of ANY N800s on eBay.

maxilogan

01-09-2007, 10:51 AM

So someone else tell me: what definitvely says there will never be a 2007 OS for the 770? Is that just an assumption? Because I don't have any further info on that particular subject.

Ari Jaaksi blog, as far as I remember, reports it quite clearly :mad:

Mara

01-09-2007, 10:57 AM

It's also possible that some inside orders were leaked to an external vendor. But again, I have good reason to be suspicious at this point of ANY N800s on eBay.

At least the seller says they are authorized reseller and they have other expensive Nokia phones on sale as well... Looks to me legitimate Nokia reseller?

Anyway, I do not really care if it is pre-production unit as long as it works fine. Any reason to believe it is somehow defective?

Texrat

01-09-2007, 10:58 AM

Ari Jaaksi blog, as far as I remember, reports it quite clearly :mad:

"Clearly" is not an adverb I always associate with "Finnglish", but... ;)

Milhouse

01-09-2007, 11:11 AM

I thought I read the NYC Nokia store is selling the N800 for $360. Anyone in NYC would be better of buying from the Nokia Store than eBay.

Milhouse

01-09-2007, 11:13 AM

Ari Jaaksi blog, as far as I remember, reports it quite clearly :mad:

Just a thought but Ari is in Vegas at CES and probably has little time to sit and discuss the situation with the development team so I'd take his post with a pinch of salt.

I hope that Nokia will assess the fallout from the N800/OS2007 launch and post an updated "way forward" once they have returned from CES and had time to think more clearly about the situation.

Texrat

01-09-2007, 11:19 AM

At least the seller says they are authorized reseller and they have other expensive Nokia phones on sale as well... Looks to me legitimate Nokia reseller?

Anyway, I do not really care if it is pre-production unit as long as it works fine. Any reason to believe it is somehow defective?

The initial channels were very, very restricted. I'm just surprised and suspicious to see any on eBay at this point, that's all.

I have no reason to think they are defective, however.

Mara

01-09-2007, 11:23 AM

I thought I read the NYC Nokia store is selling the N800 for $360. Anyone in NYC would be better of buying from the Nokia Store than eBay.

That's interesting... why would they not sell it with the same price on their online store??? It was still $399 as I checked 2 minutes ago...

Of course if you buy directly from store you have to pay sales tax as well.

Viipottaja

01-09-2007, 11:30 AM

Texrat, what's wrong with us Finnglish speakers? ;) Especially since your nickname implies you speak Texan.. ;)

Milhouse

01-09-2007, 11:47 AM

That's interesting... why would they not sell it with the same price on their online store??? It was still $399 as I checked 2 minutes ago...

Of course if you buy directly from store you have to pay sales tax as well.

I read about the $360 NYC Nokia Store price in a comment on Engadget, so there's a good chance it's complete b0llox! There was no mention of sales tax - if anyone is in NYC maybe they could pop in and confirm? :)

Texrat

01-09-2007, 11:53 AM

Texrat, what's wrong with us Finnglish speakers? ;) Especially since your nickname implies you speak Texan.. ;)

LOL... just giving you guys a hard time. I've actually gotten fairly good at interpreting Finnglish, and I always enjoy hosting my Finnish compatriots. ;)

And I'm actually from California; just got transported to Texas.

Mara

01-10-2007, 04:40 PM

The initial channels were very, very restricted. I'm just surprised and suspicious to see any on eBay at this point, that's all.

I made some research and Datavis is one of the Nokia launch partners for N800. Don't ask how I know... ;) But I can assure thit is CORRECT information from reliable source. You would be safe to buy it from them, if there are any left?

Texrat

01-10-2007, 04:58 PM

Ok, good work Mara!

donovan1983

01-11-2007, 09:17 PM

I got an N800 today from CompUSA and it is my first Nokia internet tablet. I was considering a 770 but the additional memory and the SD card support of the N800 won out and convinced me to invest in one. It runs quite smoothly and does work quite well for web browsing. It also does more than I expected in the multimedia department and there seems to be a good amount of extra apps for it. My only big gripe is that I'd like a real keyboard but that would compromise the small size of this thing. The on screen thumboard is adequate enough, although it takes some getting used to, and it's usable enough for short posts like this.

Karel Jansens

01-12-2007, 10:50 AM

My only big gripe is that I'd like a real keyboard but that would compromise the small size of this thing. The on screen thumboard is adequate enough, although it takes some getting used to, and it's usable enough for short posts like this.

The Nokia Bluetooth keyboard and the ThinkOutside BT keyboard both work with the N800.

In a pinch, any BT keyboard that supports the HID profile will work; and even the ones that support the older serial profile (Freedom Keyboard e.g.) can be made to work, but with a lot more user effort.

EddieNYC

01-12-2007, 12:02 PM

I think this is a great toy, figure a 2 year run = 16.00 a month, 4 a week.
And regardless of the competition, it is here now. Purchased mine at the Nokia store in NYC.

Hi Everyone :)

EddieNYC

01-12-2007, 12:04 PM

The Nokia store in NYC (5th and 57th) had no discounts (Military or Gov't); the 770 was 360.00 the 800 was 400.00 firm!

Just an FYI.

Dirk

01-12-2007, 05:37 PM

What I don't understand is why Nokia has chosen to use Opera 8.5, because Opera 9 for Devices is already available (i.e. the Wii runs 9). Especially considering Nokia has taken a new Opera license for the N800 which is not available for the 770.
Does this mean Opera 9 will never become available for the N800, but only for its successor, meaning the N800 will be dumped next year just as the 770?
This would suck because Opera 9 improved many things such as better AJAX support, add blocking and (user) scripting. This way the NXXX will always lag behind in internet functionality and experience.

Milhouse

01-12-2007, 11:06 PM

Does this mean Opera 9 will never become available for the N800, but only for its successor, meaning the N800 will be dumped next year just as the 770?

Is there really any value to be gained from continued speculation about what Nokia might do when/if a successor to the N800 is released? It really is quite tiresome. :(

It's pretty clear Nokia have taken a wrong turn with their initial approach to the evolution of the Internet Tablet line, and I think it's pretty safe to say they've learned from the reaction of the community and won't be making that same mistake with the successor.

Speculating about them doing so just winds people up... If you don't believe Nokia will do the right thing now and in the future it's pretty clear - don't buy one, and leave your speculative concerns at the door. ;)

sevo

01-13-2007, 10:56 AM

What I don't understand is why Nokia has chosen to use Opera 8.5, because Opera 9 for Devices is already available

They will hardly have actively chosen 8.5 over a working 9 - usually, you license what you can get. But if Opera 9 for devices with X11 screen rendering does not exist yet, you can either pay Opera to write the X11 renderer and pray they manage to arrive at a production quality solution in time to meet your deadline, or take what working revision they have...

Sevo

Mara

01-15-2007, 09:07 PM

I made some research and Datavis is one of the Nokia launch partners for N800. Don't ask how I know... ;) But I can assure thit is CORRECT information from reliable source. You would be safe to buy it from them, if there are any left?

Just got it today... Unit was unopened (Nokia seal not broken on box). Unit is made in Korea... if that does tell anything.

After few hours "toying" around I flashed the latest OS and installed most of my apps. (There was some trickery required to get MaemoMapper installed...) So far no chrashes. The tablet seem much more smoother/faster than 770 and the screen is significantly better: Sparkling Moire effect is much smaller and the touchscreen sensitivity is great! Overall I'm very happy!

Now I'm only waiting for my 4GB SD cards to arrive... :D

JayMontano

01-16-2007, 10:25 AM

Sound quality through either output is, imo, the best nokia's made.

Out of the ones we tested in the nokia booth, and there were quite a lot of nokia phones there.

Mara

01-16-2007, 10:39 AM

Sound quality through either output is, imo, the best nokia's made.

Out of the ones we tested in the nokia booth, and there were quite a lot of nokia phones there.

I forgot to mention about this... So it is not only me that thinks the audio quality is better on N800 than on N770? The sound on N800 seem have better higher midrange and treble than N770 when using headphones. (And the built in speakers are not that bad either... of course not much bass but other than that rather enjoyable.) I may need to do more side by side comparsion but these are my first impressions.

JayMontano

01-16-2007, 12:08 PM

I forgot to mention about this... So it is not only me that thinks the audio quality is better on N800 than on N770? The sound on N800 seem have better higher midrange and treble than N770 when using headphones. (And the built in speakers are not that bad either... of course not much bass but other than that rather enjoyable.) I may need to do more side by side comparsion but these are my first impressions.

Yup, not much bass but have is there a handset that delivers sufficient bass?

Through decent headphones, N800 is spectacular with audio playback.

It's very good too from its own stereo speakers...play classical music quite well:D :rolleyes: :p It's got sufficient depth for me not to connect it (very easily with it's 3.5mm jack) to the sound system.