Confused: Feb "Stuff" magazine has ad for N900 + Ovi Store

[Barts]

so.i live in the uk and i like to treat myself to a magazine called stuff, which is basically a gadget magazine. it had a review of my beloved N900 and gave it 3 stars. each to their own. anyway onto my confusion, i flick through the mag to find a 2 page advertising spread on the N900, and to quote 'from facebook to BBC iplayer,and from video broadcast app qik to city guides and games, the ovi store has an ever growing list of apps to enjoy'. well that's fantastic seeing as the ovi store says coming soon and i cant find a bbc iplayer app anywhere, it also says fifa 10 is available for the N900 in the advert but yet i can't find it anywhere. i'm just so confused.

[OrangeBox]

so.i live in the uk and i like to treat myself to a magazine called stuff, which is basically a gadget magazine. it had a review of my beloved N900 and gave it 3 stars. each to their own. anyway onto my confusion, i flick through the mag to find a 2 page advertising spread on the N900, and to quote 'from facebook to BBC iplayer,and from video broadcast app qik to city guides and games, the ovi store has an ever growing list of apps to enjoy'. well that's fantastic seeing as the ovi store says coming soon and i cant find a bbc iplayer app anywhere, it also says fifa 10 is available for the N900 in the advert but yet i can't find it anywhere. i'm just so confused.

Don't be confused. The N900 is not what it's advertised to be.

[Barts]

probably not, but i love it anyway, just confused as to why they would advertise all the stuff available which clearly isn't

[OrangeBox]

probably not, but i love it anyway, just confused as to why they would advertise all the stuff available which clearly isn't

Nokia is so behind in the smartphone sector that its involvement is not even mentioned in any reputable market research of the smartphones.

Nokia is simply trying to buy time by misrepresenting the facts.

[Barts]

Nokia is so behind in the smartphone sector that its involvement is not even mentioned in any reputable market research of the smartphones.

Nokia is simply trying to buy time by misrepresenting the facts.

well i thought you were just pointing out your views, but upon stumbling across some of your other posts it's oobvious to me that you're on these forums to spread the apple gospel and condemn to hell anything that is nokia. mental note to self, take what you say with a pinch oof salt.

[OrangeBox]

well i thought you were just pointing out your views, but upon stumbling across some of your other posts it's oobvious to me that you're on these forums to spread the apple gospel and condemn to hell anything that is nokia. mental note to self, take what you say with a pinch oof salt.

Did you also stumble upon my post where I stated that I don't own and will never own an Apple product? Touche...

[Barts]

Did you also stumble upon my post where I stated that I don't own and will never own an Apple product? Touche...
maybe it was a different orangebox that started the islate kills all comers thread and ' the apple inovation train has it's steam at full throttle'. strange praise to a company whose products you dont and never will own

[real_per]

so.i live in the uk and i like to treat myself to a magazine called stuff, which is basically a gadget magazine. it had a review of my beloved N900 and gave it 3 stars. each to their own. anyway onto my confusion, i flick through the mag to find a 2 page advertising spread on the N900, and to quote 'from facebook to BBC iplayer,and from video broadcast app qik to city guides and games, the ovi store has an ever growing list of apps to enjoy'. well that's fantastic seeing as the ovi store says coming soon and i cant find a bbc iplayer app anywhere, it also says fifa 10 is available for the N900 in the advert but yet i can't find it anywhere. i'm just so confused.

That sounds quite bad about the ad. Sure it might hold promises about what we can expect from the Maemo store, but it's not very smart to "lie" to your potential customers in your advertising.

Could you scan or take a picture of the advertising ?
I haven't seen it anywhere.

Oh and, I can see why your're confused, but Fifa, City Guides and a BBC iplayer isn't anywhere to be found, so you're not doing anything wrong.

[yorg]

it maybe a screwup of the magazine or even better, things may get delivered this month!

[OrangeBox]

maybe it was a different orangebox that started the islate kills all comers thread and ' the apple inovation train has it's steam at full throttle'. strange praise to a company whose products you dont and never will own

I am not worthy and dumb enough to own Apple products. I also don't like the company's philosophy and Steve Jobs' uber control freakism.

BUT I admire their innovative spirit and the products they make.

[Barts]

can i take a picture of it with my N900 and post it on here with said phone? you'll have to forgive my noobishness, but i'm not highly technical like that

[OrangeBox]

can i take a picture of it with my N900 and post it on here with said phone? you'll have to forgive my noobishness, but i'm not highly technical like that

I used a separate camera. You can do it in front of a mirror lacking a secondary camera. Then when you reply scroll down to Manage Attachments and upload it there.

[real_per]

can i take a picture of it with my N900 and post it on here with said phone? you'll have to forgive my noobishness, but i'm not highly technical like that

You you can.

Take the picture, and then press the sharing icon.
You will have to have an account with Flick or Ovi Share, but once you've created that it's straight forward.
After that, just paste the link in here.

Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGXAVLSyc_E

Instructions are also on page 70 of the manual.

[Barts]

sod it i can't figure it out. i'll do it on my computer when i get home

[RevdKathy]

Oh dear. I really am a Pollyanna, aren't I!?

See, when I read what you said my head thinks... well, the Ovi store isn't open yet, but will be soon (next week or week after at a guess). Especially if they're advertising it in a January magazine (or was that an early Feb edition?) So... if they are also advertising iplayer... then maybe that is also Coming Soon!!! :D

I also live in the UK, and have been surprised at the complete silence of advertising until about the last week or so. I finally got some spam email about it last week. I have seen no other advertising. So knowing that Nokia now feel confident enough in the device to start advertising leads me to believe they are also confident in it's roadmap, support and app store which are hovering in the offing.

Damn. My glass is almost full, isn't it!

[Barts]

i'm also of the mind that the ovi store will be with us soon, the magazine is the feb edition, and vodafone have also picked the N900 for contract, so nokia would havemto have ovi in place for that, i couldn't see vodafone throwing their weight behind the device without nokia support

[rokmystage]

Instructions are also on page 70 of the manual.

Interesting, my "manual" had about _ten_ pages... Well, no need for the manual anyway :)

[jaark]

it maybe a screwup of the magazine or even better, things may get delivered this month!

I've always considered Stuff as a 'fluff' magazine in that they barely understand or look at what they are 'reviewing'. It points at shiny stuff and goes 'coo'.
It's as much an accurate technology mag as Top Gear is a programme about cars ;)

[Barts]

I've always considered Stuff as a 'fluff' magazine in that they barely understand or look at what they are 'reviewing'. It points at shiny stuff and goes 'coo'.
It's as much an accurate technology mag as Top Gear is a programme about cars ;)

i have to say that i agree with your views, and i'm not going to lie and say i only bought it because it had an N900 review :D, but i did buy this issue for that reason, but the page i'm refering too is actually a nokia advertisement

http://share.ovi.com/media/Barts.76.mymedia/Barts.76.10003

[c0rt3x]

i have to say that i agree with your views, and i'm not going to lie and say i only bought it because it had an N900 review :D, but i did buy this issue for that reason, but the page i'm refering too is actually a nokia advertisement

http://share.ovi.com/media/Barts.76.mymedia/Barts.76.10003

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[volt]

I am going with...Pollyannas? ...view on this.

It's a crime to advertise untruths. If the ad claims there's a BBC player and FIFA 10 for the N900, then I do believe at the time the ad was created, they expected a BBC player and FIFA 10 to be available at the time of the magazine going to print.

The OVI Store _will_ open eventually. Something's gotta be in there, they need something special in there if they want publicity about the store opening. That's probably their main reason for holding back the store opening too... They await the headliner app to be ready.

[RevdKathy]

There's no evidence that iplayer is in the Ovi store. :( Unless flash 10 is in the firmware upgrade.

But I firmly believe it will come.

(Pollyanna's philosophy of life centers on what she calls "The Glad Game", an optimistic attitude she learned from her father. The game consists of finding something to be glad about in every situation. It originated in an incident one Christmas when Pollyanna, who was hoping for a doll in the missionary barrel, found only a pair of crutches inside. Making the game up on the spot, Pollyanna's father taught her to look at the good side of things—in this case, to be glad about the crutches because "we don't need 'em!". - wikipedia)

[Rauha]

http://share.ovi.com/media/Barts.76.mymedia/Barts.76.10003
Link is set as private.

[mysticrokks]

Erm i am not surprised at all, i have been ripped at by 'fanboiys' for mentioning nokias advertosing campaigns being far from the truth. thanks for sharing this.

I like stuff anyway, i havent had it for years but i used to get it every month.

i can understand a 3 star review- i am sure the majority of stuff readers would be more about the 3gs or android nexus 1..


but there are many positives from a consumer point of view.

unefical advertising will get more units sold(more interest-more functions,more quality)- and hopefully its only unethical in terms of the fact that these said features perhaps arnt out yet but will be on there way SOON!!!!

[Barts]

Link is set as private.

how do i change it, i'm looking but can't figure it out

[Bratag]

I have OB on ignore - but let me guess. Nokia suck - every other smartphone is better. Apple Apple Apple - buttlick buttlick buttlick. Troll Troll Troll.


Am I close?

http://alesrarus.funkydung.com/images/troll.jpg

[Rauha]

how do i change it, i'm looking but can't figure it out

In Ovi Share open the album which has the picture and scroll to bottom of page. Click the "Album settings" (see pic below). There are options for public and private.



http://media.share.ovi.com/m1/s/1633/fd2a987b116a4b7caa4d313c2d97cb84.jpg

[jaark]

the page i'm refering too is actually a nokia advertisement

Oh, right in that case, things explicitly stated should be accurate as far as possible or they can be slapped by the ASA or possibly OFT. Note that adverts have to be placed and finalised a long time before publication, so if they honestly intended those features to be available at the time of advertising and timescales have slipped for unexpected reasons there's no real case to answer as they weren't being dishonest.

[Barts]

http://share.ovi.com/media/Barts.76.stuff/Barts.76.10004
http://share.ovi.com/media/Barts.76.stuff/Barts.76.10008
right , try that

[Rauha]

http://share.ovi.com/media/Barts.76.stuff/Barts.76.10004

right , try that

Working now.

[mysticrokks]

"there's no real case to answer as they weren't being dishonest. "

oh dear god- i cant believe this statement.

what is it with you fan boys- you pull the add if its not gonna happen- jeas whats these excuses for.

[c0rt3x]

You can see the ad here as well:

http://n900.stuff.tv/

[jaark]

"there's no real case to answer as they weren't being dishonest. "

oh dear god- i cant believe this statement.

what is it with you fan boys- you pull the add if its not gonna happen- jeas whats these excuses for.

Acknowledging that predicting the future and plans do not always play out as you intend is fanboyism now? Sheesh..

[Rauha]

http://share.ovi.com/media/Barts.76.stuff/Barts.76.10004

right , try that
If that picture is from Nokia advertisement, then you are correct. It's dishonest advertisement.

[mysticrokks]

http://n900.stuff.tv/


that one is quite honest.

off course it is very perfect world(everyone does that) but it dosent specifically say anything that isnt included


I WAS WRONG.

it makes the statement that ovi store is avalable and that certsin apps are exclusive.
and a few other untruths.

[Rauha]

http://n900.stuff.tv/

Doesn't seem to be Nokia site or advertisement

http://media.share.ovi.com/m1/s/1633/f1742ecc97194ad990dce8b236ec98f3.jpg

[mysticrokks]

http://n900.stuff.tv/

Doesn't seem to be Nokia site or advertisement.http://share.ovi.com/media/Rauha.mymedia/Rauha.10059


er it defo is. who would promote nokia's n900 like this if it isnt from nokia.

its from Haymarket Creative Media, who are surely being paid by nokia to do this

[bonerp]

simples. trading standards need to give Nokia a boot up the bum

[casper27]

Look on page 3 at the bottom. Nokia are still advertising game emulators as a selling feature. You would have thought they would have learned their lesson. I love the Emulators though so can understand why.

[Bratag]

Look on page 3 at the bottom. Nokia are still advertising game emulators as a selling feature. You would have thought they would have learned their lesson. I love the Emulators though so can understand why.

There was another thread here recently that stated that Nokia etc have decided there is nothing wrong with the emulators being here/on the n900 since they do nothing wrong. Stealing the ROMS - wrong - running the emulator - perfectly legal

[RevdKathy]

Ahhh so the iplayer was in the editorial review - in which case it is probably total nonsense. There were early reports and reviews saying n900 had java, too. Not everyone who writes a review has actually handled the device, sadly.

The fifa 10 game looks a good prospect if you're into that sot of thing - I'd expect that to show up in the ovi store before long.

No, that promo is from Stuff; they are the ones giving away freebies and holidays. Nothing in the actual promo was anything new anyway.

[Rauha]

I'll write some stuff that will get me tagged as fanboi.


Uploaded pictures seem like they are from badly written review/opion piece. Crappy journalism without any fact checking but not false advertisement.

Website looks like it's created by media outlet that has gotten some free stuff from Nokia to use as prizes for their readers.They then set one of their unpaid uni-student trainees to quickly set up website for promoting the competition and stuff that was set as a prize.

Actually I think that Nokia might have some responsibility, as they should have checked what their free stuff was being used for, but is it false advertisment by Nokia? Propably not.

[mysticrokks]

"Website looks like it's created by media outlet that has gotten some free stuff from Nokia to use as prizes for their readers.They then set one of their unpaid uni-student trainees to quickly set up website for promoting the competition and stuff that was set as a prize.
"

you shouldnt say things like that- its ridiculas, it was done by a marketing company, IF as you say this was done by stuff why did they rate it 3 stars. there was no prize- and if there was one it would have been included in the review- you talk some serious trash.

this add was paid for by nokia. end of story(or at least the content was from nokia)

[Barts]

well. my opnion is that this advertising feature was probably in colaboration with nokia. but they shouldn't advertise things that aren't available, the N900 is available with vodafone online only at the moment, they will be getting it in stores soon. so as I've previously said i would expect ovi to be available for a handset that is about to go national. they should just make the advert clearer by mentioning 'soon to be available'

[Rauha]

you shouldnt say things like that- its ridiculas, it was done by a marketing company,

No it wasn't done by marketing company. It was done by Stuff, which is, according to information provided by the site, is a media outlet owned by Haymarket Creative Media. Haymarket Creative Media, again according to information provide by their site, is not a marketing company. They are magazine publisher that publishes Stuff (http://www.haymarket.com/home.aspx)


there was no prize- and if there was one it would have been included in the review
This makes absolutely no sense. http://n900.stuff.tv is a site created to promote N900 competition by Stuff.tv. The prizes are very clearly promoted. DId you even check what I was writing about? And why would the competition in magazine be mentioned in the review? They clearly have very low journalistic standars, but not low enough to include the competition within the review.

Just about everything about the site cryes out aloud that it's not a Nokia site. Just a magazine that has gotten freebies from Nokia to use in competition. There is no Nokia logo, no "Connecting People", the legal statement about the competition doesn't mention Nokia or finnish law as does the official multi-national competitions promoted by Nokia.

[Barts]

i still think that nokia must be aware of it. but then i guess they must have better things to be doing than policing every magazine for advertising features

[mysticrokks]

rauha stuff tv slated this phone in a review. all the info on the site would have been from nokia..


but yep i am kinda coming around to what you are saying its all about the comp to nyc..

so i admit there is no deffinite that this was nokia at all.. although some of the content is embellish and some not true..

[Bratag]

rauha stuff tv slated this phone in a review. all the info on the site would have been from nokia..


but yep i am kinda coming around to what you are saying its all about the comp to nyc..

so i admit there is no deffinite that this was nokia at all.. although some of the content is embellish and some not true..

Well you have no actual proof that Nokia provided any of the information. Now if there was to be Nokia website content actually contained within that site - I would be perhaps a little more persuaded.

[bbns]

o.O FIFA10 on N900?!

[Barts]

o.O FIFA10 on N900?!
so the advert says, believe it when i see it.

[Viipottaja]

Woohoo, FIFA10 on N900! Sounds great!

[If its a Nokia advertisement they would NOT have put that in if it wasn't in the works and in an advanced stage]

[sjgadsby]

i still think that nokia must be aware of it.

The Terms & Conditions of the contest do include items such as:

5. Employees and their families of Haymarket Media Group and Nokia ("The Promoters") or any of their affiliates are not eligible to enter.

and

8. By entering this competition, the winners and their chosen companions agree to take part in the Promoters’ video-documentary of their receipt of the prize, and consents to give the Promoters global image rights for video and photographs taken, on the understanding they will be published for the purposes of this Competition and promoting Haymarket’s and Nokia’s businesses.

So, Nokia is involved in the contest to some degree, yes. They may just be providing prize phones in exchange for a bit of publicity and a few smiley prize-winner photos later though. Haymarket may well have developed the contest website and other promotional materials without any review by Nokia.

[mysticrokks]

Well you have no actual proof that Nokia provided any of the information. Now if there was to be Nokia website content actually contained within that site - I would be perhaps a little more persuaded.


i did mention that there is no proof that nokia provided it- however none of us know.