Did apple do this?

[Sadavyk]

Today must be the saddest day in maemo history
after this update or this PR1.1 death trap really what the F
I'm I the only one looking at the Active Topics? its crazy, good thing
this site is not linked to Gizmodo or Engadget it would not look good at all, sorry I come as a big dick but for $500 2 $600 maemo shouldn't have these screwed up bugs,
yes bugs in the updated this is just f*cking dumb someone should be
FIRED!!!!!!!!

[fatalsaint]

... Are we reading the same forum? Yes I see some problems... but the overwhelming majority of posts I have come across the update worked, and people complain about certain things they were hoping for not there - or several people saying that the device is now the device they had thought they bought originally. And many others saying Nokia did this one right with the wiki entry, announcements in 2 or 3 places, and other things.

So... huh?

[wmarone]

Worked fine for me, I don't know what you're talking about.

Perhaps you should calm down instead of freaking out and ranting, it's a whole lot easier to solve problems when you aren't unreasonably angry.

It also doesn't hurt to keep in mind that on forums like these, generally the only people who are going to pipe up are those with problems. I haven't said much of all, and I'm guessing nor have the majority of users.

[waleed786]

I updated mine and havent had a single bug all day. I think the new update is great, and everything feels much better. I noticed most of these bugs happened to people who flashed their n900's, or used NSU. I updated mine OTA and it went perfect. Everyone who updates OTA seems to be okay.

[slender]

Hmm. I assume that you haven't read threads. Do you refer to bricked devices and problems with free space for upgrade. I would roughly say that in 80-90% of cases reason is that user has downloaded/installed something form extras testing/development without realizing that after pressing button he/she is on way to reflash in near future.

There is worrying amount of people who have used NSU and their device is bricked. But who really knows what is the problem there.

[mivoligo]

What is apple?

[t7g]

Update downloaded fine, installed fine, no complaints about me only having 47mb of space free on rootfs (had 49 on restart), restarted just fine on it's own and I have to agree with some of the other posts, everything feels snappier - not in a placebo way, literally the graphics seem to keep up whereas they must not have been before.

No problems with installation, no bugs I can notice yet--

I'm thinking most of the people with problems just don't know how to use Linux and browsed the forums and tried all sorts of crap out on their phone (possibly even stuff suggested from the older Maemo versions) and find their device doesn't work all that great. They say only enable extras-devel and testing if you know what you're doing for a reason. A _very_good_one_.

[waleed786]

What is apple?

http://philspector.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/apple.jpg

[danramos]

What is apple?

I think they make the Newton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton_%28platform%29) tablets.

[aniMAL_]

NSU has bricked phones doing firmware updates on ALL Nokia devices in the past. This is nothing new with countless N97's bricking half way through updates. The OTA function is a much safer option and this seems to be one of the first phones that supports such major updates OTA. If this was an N97 receiving an update of this size, I'd of been extremely worried about using NSU.

NSU = Fail.
OTA = Win.

[Sadavyk]

i sorry i just lost my cool

[vode]

I wasn't even in a need of an update. This device did everything I expected and more out of the box.

Both of the updates went smooth, I didn't encounter a single glitch.

I know this doesn't help you, but I just felt like sharing it. :)

[Slunge]

dont feed the trolls appels....

[wmarone]

NSU = Fail.
OTA = Win.
I think it's more "SSU = Win" as it's using the standard Debian update methodology to push OS upgrades. While not 100% foolproof, failures are recoverable and don't wreck the device and the cause can be easily discovered and resolved.

I wish more devices treated upgrades like this, instead of them being treacherous, risk-wrought events.

[Texrat]

Did Apple release a detailed changelog?

http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.1

[pagesix1536]

Stuff works for me. Figure out how to reflash. That's what I did. Not because I had to, but I felt more comfortable with a fresh install, rather than an upgrade. But I'm an systems engineer, so that's how I roll.

[*Sonic*]

Does the N900 resume downloads, as I did an OTA update and it looked like it was about to finish and then came up with an error message, so I hit update again and instead of downloading the 90Mb it downloaded 276kb and then ran the full update

I would say that most of the issues are multiple posts of the same issues by different users and as others have said its those who used NSU and had extras-testing

I only got the phone last night so what I think might be an issue on mine might be a bug already present

ie I noticed that when plugged into the USB in Mass Storage Mode on my Laptop the wireless disconnected on the N900, but that could be normal :) but then it didnt do it after the update

[bandora]

I don't have any issues with my N900 after updating to PR 1.1 OTA..

Literally no issues what-so-ever..

[Cernunnos]

There will always be bugs, but imo this update was great, especially the improved browser and emu speeds!

[Dr. Drips]

I think apple is going to invade Maemo and Android to get the Amiga OS in the corner so they can buy their new findings with the Amiga X1000 and make it look good, maybe we just have to let down our guard and let them win :P

[Enyibinakata]

oh Apple did much worse than this. Remember the last update that put a lot of iPhones in 'coma' mode. I'll chose the open n900 over the closed rotten Apples.

[chowdahhead]

Does the N900 resume downloads, as I did an OTA update and it looked like it was about to finish and then came up with an error message, so I hit update again and instead of downloading the 90Mb it downloaded 276kb and then ran the full update

I would say that most of the issues are multiple posts of the same issues by different users and as others have said its those who used NSU and had extras-testing

I only got the phone last night so what I think might be an issue on mine might be a bug already present

ie I noticed that when plugged into the USB in Mass Storage Mode on my Laptop the wireless disconnected on the N900, but that could be normal :) but then it didnt do it after the update

Over the air updates should resume as the standard apt/aptitude behaviour is to do this.

[KD Epic]

... Update went fine for me...

First time I hit update on a phone and felt comfortable enough to leave to run errands. Came back and it was finished and running fine and happy!

[gerbick]

I'm one of those Apple iPhone owners that got hit with update problems with 2.2, 3.0 and 3.1 - each time the update done on an Apple Mac via the most updated iTunes and still bricked the living daylights out of my iPhone.

And I wasn't the only one [ read here (http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2154276&start=0&tstart=0) ] - that's just one out of many. Updates can be a mixed bag, some good, some bad may come out of it.

I will say one thing though... I'm not fully sure what was added beyond stability and a few aspects that are not ready for primetime yet - such as the portrait mode in the browser.

But no. Apple didn't do this... and Engadget and even my own blog picked this up last night OP. But I'm glad to see cooler heads prevail.

[z3phyr]

i did OTA update while it was charging. it downloaded and started installing but when it said it was going to restart it justwent black and the orange charging lignt continued to flash. had to take out the battery and turn it back on, it continued and finished the update. everything looks good so far. wished they would fix the media player widget bug though.

[mcsnake]

I installed the Maemo 5 update Over the air and everything went fine. It restarted once and I haven't needed to restart my device since.

[late666]

Chill, will ya?
Mine worked like a charm.
I'm sure most people can say the same.

[shiny]

Does the N900 resume downloads, as I did an OTA update and it looked like it was about to finish and then came up with an error message, so I hit update again and instead of downloading the 90Mb it downloaded 276kb and then ran the full update

The exact same thing happened to me. I can only assume that one package didn't download correctly and the package manager just grabbed that one again (since the error message implied my update was "corrupted" I assumed it'd download it all again) though my apt knowledge is limited.

Oh, and yes, the update worked fine and I've had no issues since.

[mysticrokks]

my battery is almost full at 4.00 , because of this update and my phone is usable- problem with n900 is quality control , i am happy with the update as it fixed my big bugs- others are unhappy . hopefully update 1.2 will fix all the issues and come soon

[keljuk]

I'm a bit dissapointed aswell. The device got a bit snappier and drains a bit less battery under heavy load. Calendar and musicplayer widgets still consume too much cpu-cycles (28%). Phone app got a bit laggier and scrolling still is a bit of a pain. It even might have gone worse.
I was under the assumption that there'd be new features like portrait mode and mms in this update, but no. I'm beggining to worry that we're not going to see them until maemo 6 via a new device :(

[fatalsaint]

I was under the assumption that there'd be new features like portrait mode and mms in this update, but no. I'm beggining to worry that we're not going to see them until maemo 6 via a new device :(

They did give portrait mode in the browser... and they did do *something* with MMS - I'm just not entirely sure what it was. Some developer access thing.

[NvyUs]

My update went perfect, most the problems are caused by people not taking warnings serious about Extras-devel
Did apple do this?
NOPE
But they did this and (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8460899.stm) are getting sued again, Kodak will be raking it in for sure they won an exact law suite v Samsung already

[niqbal]

OTA update while charging. its working beautifully. I did write on different threads to frustrated people that update works great. People spended tons of money for the device they are holding now.

so reinstall, lookup flashing n900. see u on the positive side of things.

[Texrat]

I'm a bit dissapointed aswell. The device got a bit snappier and drains a bit less battery under heavy load. Calendar and musicplayer widgets still consume too much cpu-cycles (28%). Phone app got a bit laggier and scrolling still is a bit of a pain. It even might have gone worse.
I was under the assumption that there'd be new features like portrait mode and mms in this update, but no. I'm beggining to worry that we're not going to see them until maemo 6 via a new device :(

-portrait mode available to browser
-mms solution being developed by community member

[Farooq]

I updated mine and havent had a single bug all day. I think the new update is great, and everything feels much better. I noticed most of these bugs happened to people who flashed their n900's, or used NSU. I updated mine OTA and it went perfect. Everyone who updates OTA seems to be okay.
i did mine through NSU and its working fine.

[Sadavyk]

Chill, will ya?
Mine worked like a charm.
I'm sure most people can say the same.
can you still say the same today? i dont mean to be a dic, up i have not read a one post where someone had nothing but good to say, i was fine with the frimware that it came with everything seems to work well, but as you can see there endless saddness after the update

[RevdKathy]

Try here (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=40889). 30 odd people actually bothered to say they had nothing to bother them. In places like this you will always see a higher density of problems, because the people without problems don't post. So that's a pretty startling thread.

[markr041]

I have nothing but good to say. And, I would not normally bother to say this, as it is a useless post, except when some nitwit claims the update is rife with flaws.

Everything went perfectly, the device is now faster and does everything I want it to do.

[xxMurdakillxx]

Mine works fine. Actually I love it so much this update assured me that I mad the right choice with the n900 and to be honest. Don't worry about whats said in these threads. This phone works better than any phone I've owned. I feel like there are some member in these threads that work for the competition because some of the gripes are minor and this phone is sick.

I don't understand why Maemo Talk just doesn't delete all threads that don't lead to improvement or troubleshooting because other than that and maybe brainstorming I'd say 80% of the threads here have no true purpose.

When you look at a thread take a moment and ask yourself....Is this person seeking help?....Is this person looking to improve the platform? Aside from those reasons I just feel like there are a number of people here to simply complain.

[konttori]

NSU has bricked phones doing firmware updates on ALL Nokia devices in the past. This is nothing new with countless N97's bricking half way through updates. The OTA function is a much safer option and this seems to be one of the first phones that supports such major updates OTA. If this was an N97 receiving an update of this size, I'd of been extremely worried about using NSU.

NSU = Fail.
OTA = Win.

N900s NSU is actually wrapping the linux flasher code, so we have totally different implementation of the flashing than s60. It it really secure. It might fail once, but try again and it'll succeed.

[Sadavyk]

Try here (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=40889). 30 odd people actually bothered to say they had nothing to bother them. In places like this you will always see a higher density of problems, because the people without problems don't post. So that's a pretty startling thread.
thank you man! now i'm going to update my n900 after reading that, i see where some people went wrong,I'll post my out come and steps i took before up dating just to help others

[markr041]

"Don't worry about whats said in these threads. "

No, many people make their choice of phone/device based on forums like this. They are influenced by the number of negative posts and by general, unspecific complaints.

And,we care how many people buy the N900 because the more that buy, the more likely there are people making apps for the device or improvements.

So, it, unfortunately, not helpful to ignore.

This does not mean of course we post happy threads only; we want improvements and we want even potential buyers to know what's what, including what's currently wrong.

[Mandibela]

I think some people brick their devices themselves. The update takes time, and doesn't show progress immediately. When the N900 is doing the update, the user freaks and disconnects the battery or the USB cable, bricking the device.

I'm just saying this because I do not have none of the failures or problems described here or elsewhere. And I have used the device a lot, I have used extras-testing and installed and uninstalled almost every available software. At first I tried the OTA update, but my device couldn't do it (prob. incompatible packages left somewhere), so I backed up on the device (to microsdhc) and flashed it (I tried to manually update via apt-get, no go). After the succesful (vista32) flash with NSU I restored the backup which worked flawlessly, re-installed all my software automatically via wifi, and even returned my background images as they were.

So what I'm saying is that not everybody has problems with the device. And from experience I can say that user interference is not so uncommon. I don't want to blame the users for their problems, but Nokia should really have more emphasis on the 'somewhat experimental device' side of the N900.

[ossipena]

Today must be the saddest day in maemo history
after this update or this PR1.1 death trap really what the F
I'm I the only one looking at the Active Topics? its crazy, good thing
this site is not linked to Gizmodo or Engadget it would not look good at all, sorry I come as a big dick but for $500 2 $600 maemo shouldn't have these screwed up bugs,
yes bugs in the updated this is just f*cking dumb someone should be
FIRED!!!!!!!!

as sad as iPhones 3.1 update? only difference is that iPhone users very probably had more issues with 3.1 than n900 with PR1.1....

e: I installed PR1.1 via apt-get, ran out of disk space in the middle of operation but managed to get installation through after reboot... no problems.

[geneven]

My update went perfect, most the problems are caused by people not taking warnings serious about Extras-devel
Did apple do this?
NOPE
But they did this and (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8460899.stm) are getting sued again, Kodak will be raking it in for sure they won an exact law suite v Samsung already

My update went perfect, and I'm one of the people who didn't take warnings serious about Extras-devel.

Moral: There's no justice.