Indications on how well the N900 is selling

[benny1967]

As usual, Nokia doesn't tell us much about the sales figures. Was the N900 a success? Did they think it'd do well and, in fact, it does? Does it even perform better than they thought it would on the market? Is it hard to sell? Maybe a complete desaster economically?

There are a few half-sentences here and there dropped by Nokians that the N900 is doing very, very well… But do we have any other indicators?

There's sites that list the lowest prices for gadgets in some markets. I usually use geizhals.at, which can be used to query EU/Germany/Austria. It also has a link to a partner site in the UK, skinflint.co.uk.

These sites not only list the current prices (and give you the best offer), but also let you see a chart of the price history.

What I found interesting was that in all charts I looked at, the price keeps rising since Dec. 2009. In the UK, for example, it was GBP 411 and is now GBP 446. In Austria, it was at € 509 and now is at € 539. Prices in Germany don't change that much, but still went up from €496 to €499.

Usually, you'd expect rising prices to be an indication of high demand, right? (Unless Nokia stopped producing the N900 in December and supply is low now...)

Do you guys have any similar indicators for other markets? Or any ideas what could be a useable indicator other than the price?

[bockersjv]

The only indicator i have of sales is that when i phoned my Nokia retail store they had received a morning delivery of 700 N900s and by 10:30am they had 5 left :eek: Well make that 4 actually after my call :D

[fjonga]

For one, I tried to find an N900 from somewhere in Europe (Scandinavia, Central, West and South). ALL sold out, everywhere. This was the situation between beginning of December - 2nd week of January. Got mine from eBay as there was just no other way to get my hands on a new one. Either the initial batch was way too small - or the phone is doing extremely well :-)

[Darkshine]

The only indicator i have of sales is that when i phoned my Nokia retail store they had received a morning delivery of 700 N900s and by 10:30am they had 5 left :eek: Well make that 4 actually after my call :D

Yeh, when I was a salesman all my stock had that kind of backstory ;)

[Kurare]

The device is still on backorder or "limited availbility" in most places that sell it, so my guess would be that it's selling quite a lot better than initially thought - it's been almost two months since the devices started shipping now (and I've had mine for about as long, not a single scratch nor unexplained reboot - love it).

Another explanation might be that they're having issues with getting enough parts, but it's Nokia we're talking about - usually the part vendors are chosen so that they can provide a steady supply or parts.

No, my guess for the sales figures is "met and exceeded the initial expectations by a decent margin". Two M sold devices by the time the next Maemo device is out isn't unrealistic in my opinion - and that's a very cautious guess factoring in the often-complained-about general rawness, "poor app store" and it not being fruit-themed nor Big Brother-infested.

[rcs1000]

Nokia's initial plan was to manufacture 30,000 per month. That's since been increased to 100,000 per month.

However, given it's out of stock in much of Europe, I'm guessing Nokia could probably ship 150-200k per month, maybe more with a price cut.

For comparison, the Pre (which is heavily carrier subsidised, and advertisied) sells 250-300k per month.

[ruskie]

Or simply artificial limited availability.

[benny1967]

Nokia's initial plan was to manufacture 30,000 per month. That's since been increased to 100,000 per month.

However, given it's out of stock in much of Europe, I'm guessing Nokia could probably ship 150-200k per month, maybe more with a price cut.

For comparison, the Pre (which is heavily carrier subsidised, and advertisied) sells 250-300k per month.

I assume you cannot disclose your source, can you? I'd simpy love to publish these figures whenever people question the success of the N900 in other forums. ;)

[Milhouse]

Nokia's initial plan was to manufacture 30,000 per month. That's since been increased to 100,000 per month.

Interesting... can you give the source of this info (linkage?)

[Wiener]

According to Geizhals.at N900 is ranked as follows:

1. HTC HD 2
2. Iphone 16 GB black
3. Nokia N900
4. Motorola Milestone

[chrisp7]

Nokia's initial plan was to manufacture 30,000 per month. That's since been increased to 100,000 per month.

However, given it's out of stock in much of Europe, I'm guessing Nokia could probably ship 150-200k per month, maybe more with a price cut.

For comparison, the Pre (which is heavily carrier subsidised, and advertisied) sells 250-300k per month.

Considering worldwide sales and the Pre was/is a bit of a flop - that isnt too good is it? (not sure). Still its nice to see some figures:). More sales = more support for N900 from Nokia.

[REMFwhoopitydo]

i'd love to see some figures on how well the n900 is doing, in both comparitive and absolute terms.

given that the n900 success rests on a large userbase to enthuse all this open-source porting, i'm keen to see if my chosen platform has a top-tier future.

[roose]

Maybe a board moderator can have a look how member count has increased since release. I think thats a little indicator too.

[chrisp7]

Maybe a board moderator can have a look how member count has increased since release. I think thats a little indicator too.

But how could you compare that figure, all it would say is, yes the forum traffic has gone up a hell of a lot.

The N96, N97 were lemons, they bring out a half decent Nokia phone with a decent OS (N900) of course you are going to get interest. I know they know Symbian GUI is poor, but lets hope they dont focus 95% on Symbian and treat Maemo like an evil stepchild.

[smegheadz]

Maybe a board moderator can have a look how member count has increased since release. I think thats a little indicator too.

there was a post about that already, hence the server move to handle the large influx. was even said that the delayed move was an underestimate of how many would be using maemo.org. think it was posted in community section.

[DarkPand0r]

According to Geizhals.at N900 is ranked as follows:

1. HTC HD 2
2. Iphone 16 GB black
3. Nokia N900
4. Motorola Milestone

Problem is that most of these are based on a "vote" system with results being posted weekly and such. GSM Arena has the Nokia E72 as their top rated phone with the HD2 in second.

Without actual figures it impossible to tell whats going on, quite a few people who have signed up (to the forums) will be asking questions or researching on different phones although seeing a graph on member registrations over the past month would still be a very good indicator of the interest of the phone.

My recommendation would be to see how many Applications have been downloaded in the past month, Angry birds or Facebook Widget would be good indicators to how many people are actively using the N900. But then this is based on the theory that everyone who has bought the N900 is actively downloading applications.

Overall though I think no matter the sales the phone has been a success, its had VERY limited marketing in the UK and knowledge of the handset is still rather low. (I ended up showing my local Vodafone store how to use the handset whilst they were trying to sell it to me) As long as we're not in the same boat as the Nexus 1 I'm happy.

Slightly off topic: Why is everyone saying "N900 is no iPhone killer!" they are completely different phones.........

[ossipena]

one indicator could be operators delivering n900's and their estimates of delivery time. it still seems that one may have to wait over a month. (picked some experiences from people who had taken n900 from teliasonera at finnish forums couple weeks ago)

[ossipena]

But how could you compare that figure, all it would say is, yes the forum traffic has gone up a hell of a lot.

The N96, N97 were lemons, they bring out a half decent Nokia phone with a decent OS (N900) of course you are going to get interest. I know they know Symbian GUI is poor, but lets hope they dont focus 95% on Symbian and treat Maemo like an evil stepchild.

s60v5, there is no such thing as "Symbian GUI"

khrm sonyericsson krhm...

[benny1967]

In theory, there are download statistics for the packages in Extras. In practice,. they are broken since the beginning of December.

[chrisp7]

s60v5, there is no such thing as "Symbian GUI"

khrm sonyericsson krhm...

You, and everyone else know what I meant - whats your point.

[keljuk]

s60v5, there is no such thing as "Symbian GUI"

Dude! One letter q. It's not g.

[mikec]

In The UK supply still constrained at key sites like play.com. Amazon Prices is up ove £500 pounds now.

[Brank]

The N900 feels like it was never meant to be a mass market phone. Nokia might not even want it to be one, even if it was possible.

I think N900 is supposed to bring some brand name. Like have it show up in tv series or movies as a geeky phone you can do anything with. Or let someone hack something with it or something :) Cause what else is there that would fit the picture?

I seriously think the N900 will start showing up in tv series/movies soon. Maybe able to get some more recognition in the states with that.

[aironeous]

Here is another 4 types of brand comparisons based on a votes system and hits also.
http://mobile.softpedia.com/
Scroll to bottom.

[DarkPand0r]

The N900 feels like it was never meant to be a mass market phone. Nokia might not even want it to be one, even if it was possible.

I think N900 is supposed to bring some brand name. Like have it show up in tv series or movies as a geeky phone you can do anything with. Or let someone hack something with it or something :) Cause what else is there that would fit the picture?

I seriously think the N900 will start showing up in tv series/movies soon. Maybe able to get some more recognition in the states with that.

I very much doubt we'll see it in movies. Most movies have VERY high end phones with very low usability. The N900 just isn't pretty enough for movies.

[attila77]

In theory, there are download statistics for the packages in Extras. In practice,. they are broken since the beginning of December.

Coincidentally, as part of the AppWatch (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=39301) project I started gathering some statistics myself, and it's *massive* compared to the N8x0 era. And it's not just downloads, but actual users - just as an example, AppWatch itself has 500+ users that use it on a daily basis. And that's for a minimally advertised application that requires Qt and is available only through extras-devel.

[Rauha]

Considering worldwide sales and the Pre was/is a bit of a flop - that isnt too good is it? (not sure). Still its nice to see some figures:). More sales = more support for N900 from Nokia.

If the numbers posted in this thread are correct, Nokia has allready increased production over threefold from what it was expecting. So it's allready huge success as far as Nokia's own estimates are concerned.

[Brank]

I very much doubt we'll see it in movies. Most movies have VERY high end phones with very low usability. The N900 just isn't pretty enough for movies.

Indeed. But as I tryed to emphasize but guess I failed. It would be a kind of hacking tool or something like. You know techy guys would use it, or agents or something :D

Think Die Hard 4, but instead of having a laptop or anything, the kid would've had a N900.

[russo_br]

Maybe if Nokia confirms that Ovi Maps 3.0 with free navigation will be available for N900, setting at least a target date, sales figures would grow. At least if I hadn't bought it yet would think twice before choosing N900 besides N97 or now Google Nexus...

[ZackMorris]

I have been monitoring the sales of this phone as I work in the IT sales field. Just from one east coast distribution center here in the states, they're moving them out as fast as they can get them. About 200 or so a week it seems like, from one distribution channel. This is for a phone with zero U.S. advertising prescence. I'd say sales are fairly brisk and yes the price has gone up, probably because of demand.

[Wiener]

Maybe if Nokia confirms that Ovi Maps 3.0 with free navigation will be available for N900, setting at least a target date, sales figures would grow. At least if I hadn't bought it yet would think twice before choosing N900 besides N97 or now Google Nexus...
I don't like to further invest in SW (Navigation, ... ...) for a platform from which I know it has a limited future. Also, I don't see Symbian/N97 as a valid alternative compared with iPhone or Google Nexus ... N97 is only half way to what Nexus offers. N900 is not better, not worse, but for sure something valuable and competetive. At least it was until yesterday's announcement not to have stopped Maemo 5 development in advantage of Maemo 6 and a new device.

=> Guess I will wait for SE X10 or what it is called now, and see what Nokia did until then. And yes, I know I have to pay for t-b-t navigation on that platform. But it has still support ....

[chrisp7]

If the numbers posted in this thread are correct, Nokia has allready increased production over threefold from what it was expecting. So it's allready huge success as far as Nokia's own estimates are concerned.

Absolutely I believe it has been a success and exceeded Nokia's expectations. I believe they thought the N900 would be a niche product, infact it attracted a large audience (in large part down to the couple of years of lack of innovative products/N97/S60 touch's failings).

[attila77]

and competetive. At least it was until yesterday's announcement not to have stopped Maemo 5 development in advantage of Maemo 6 and a new device.


Note that there can be other (WARNING: highly speculative) reasons for this. There is no point in developing a Maemo 5 specific version TODAY, if a) the Maemo 6 version can be backported when Maemo 5 gains official Qt4.6/QtMobility support, or b) if the N900 is going to get a Maemo 6 upgrade.

[colnago]

Indeed. But as I tryed to emphasize but guess I failed. It would be a kind of hacking tool or something like. You know techy guys would use it, or agents or something :D

Think Die Hard 4, but instead of having a laptop or anything, the kid would've had a N900.

Nah...since Hollywood is remaking "every movie ever made" (Karate Kid, Robocop, Red Dawn...WTF?), when they get around to "Hackers" (scene where they were checking out Jolie's laptop), they could throw a 900 in there.

[Arif]

I still don't have mine, so go figure :p

[ndi]

[...] "Hackers" (scene where they were checking out Jolie's laptop), they could throw a 900 in there.

Considering the year that movie was made, the N900 would be the server they hacked.

[matthewcc]

Anyone else believe not publishing number (if they are significant) is a detriment to the success of the platform? My thought is that many developers are business people and will invest their own time and resources into developing for the platform when they will know that they will get a good ROI. I think that we as a community are willing to pay for apps that we consider valuable and not currently available in another form (opensource). by this logic It would make good sense to talk about NUMBERS of users and BEHAVIOR of the users. This could in effect drive the development of the ecosystem.

thoughts?

[olighak]

Anyone else believe not publishing number (if they are significant) is a detriment to the success of the platform? My thought is that many developers are business people and will invest their own time and resources into developing for the platform when they will know that they will get a good ROI. I think that we as a community are willing to pay for apps that we consider valuable and not currently available in another form (opensource). by this logic It would make good sense to talk about NUMBERS of users and BEHAVIOR of the users. This could in effect drive the development of the ecosystem.

thoughts?

Agree. I´d put the numbers out there. Be they a 50.000 devices a month, 100.000 devices a month or whatever they are.

I don´t think the numbers can be embarrassing at all for Nokia.

[matthewcc]

I brought up behavior because I would make a bet that the n900 community is downloading stuff more frequently then the 5800xm crowd... especially relative the the number of apps available.

[ndi]

Agree. I´d put the numbers out there. Be they a 50.000 devices a month, 100.000 devices a month or whatever they are.

I don´t think the numbers can be embarrassing at all for Nokia.

Not those numbers, no. But what if it's 50? What if out of 30K members about only 10 are N900s and those were over the last 3 months? And some are giveaways? And Some found them on the street or whatever? Heh.

Seriously, I'm curious as heck.

[Reflektorfalke]

Here is another "hint" for the success of the N900:

"In the first week that Angry Birds has been on the Ovi Store, it has been downloaded almost as many times as the iPhone version in six weeks. Given that most N900 users have not even used Ovi Store yet, we are confident that there will be many more downloads in the months to come, and are sure that the N900 version will be very profitable."

http://www.pocketgamer.biz/r/PG.Biz/Rovio+news/news.asp?c=17921

[livefreeordie]

I'd say sales are fairly brisk and yes the price has gone up, probably because of demand.

Retail price or bulk price? (i.e. is Nokia getting more money or just the retailers?)

And if Nokia has already increased production, they'd better increase it a hell of a lot more before Easy Debian gets out of testing and starts generating publicity. I've been monitoring my local large retailer, and they haven't had a single shipment that's actually made it to the shelves. For two months.

[fpp]

It seems that here in France, the local version of the N900 is very hard to lay hands on. The Phone House, which had a few month's exclusivity, is fed a pitiful trickle of 30 to 70 units per batch, and is permanently sold out. Mainstream carriers are only just adding it to their catalogues, and the few second-hand devices up for sale on forums are generally snapped up in less than a day, sometimes less than an hour.

[Hipsu]

I want my n900 already, not that ranting on the forums is going to help me :)

[Eric G]

Nah...since Hollywood is remaking "every movie ever made" (Karate Kid, Robocop, Red Dawn...WTF?), when they get around to "Hackers" (scene where they were checking out Jolie's laptop), they could throw a 900 in there.

Or young John Connor could hack into the ATM with one instead of the Atari Portfolio in T2.

[gerbick]

Here is another "hint" for the success of the N900:

"In the first week that Angry Birds has been on the Ovi Store, it has been downloaded almost as many times as the iPhone version in six weeks. Given that most N900 users have not even used Ovi Store yet, we are confident that there will be many more downloads in the months to come, and are sure that the N900 version will be very profitable."

http://www.pocketgamer.biz/r/PG.Biz/Rovio+news/news.asp?c=17921

Almost a "captive" audience. Too many games on the iPhone, not a lot of games on the N900.

Feast over famine, basically. A good game like Angry Birds stands out on either platform, but on the iPhone it's competing against a lot other "ooh, look at me" games and most people don't ever get out of "what's hot" and the first 25.

The numbers, if made public would actually instill faith that Nokia will continue to support Maemo 5 and not let it wither on the vine like Maemo 4.1 (Diablo). They don't take advantage of that, which is still fresh in a lot of people's minds, they're risking something they could avoid.

Just my opinion.

[W0uter]

It seems that here in France, the local version of the N900 is very hard to lay hands on.

The same in the Netherlands. I ordered one today. The seller said that it would take at least two weeks. I found out that they got a big shipment in last week, but had to send them to people who already ordered them in november.

So it can mean three things:
1. The phone is way more popular than Nokia expected
2. They are having problems sourcing the parts
3. there is a very big pile of n900's they forgot about, sitting in a warehouse.

I hope it's option three, but I guess it's one or two. ;)

[Reflektorfalke]

Almost a "captive" audience. Too many games on the iPhone, not a lot of games on the N900.

Feast over famine, basically. A good game like Angry Birds stands out on either platform, but on the iPhone it's competing against a lot other "ooh, look at me" games and most people don't ever get out of "what's hot" and the first 25.

The numbers, if made public would actually instill faith that Nokia will continue to support Maemo 5 and not let it wither on the vine like Maemo 4.1 (Diablo). They don't take advantage of that, which is still fresh in a lot of people's minds, they're risking something they could avoid.

Just my opinion.

I totally agree!!!

[rcs1000]

you can source Arete Research for those figures. it's an investment research boutique based in london. they are very close to nokia, and they gave me those figures.

[twaelti]

Another nice indicator was twittered by keesj:
#maemo http://www.flickr.com/cameras/nokia/ see the amount of uploads per device N900 is ranked 8, the N95 1 but usage is going down.

[keesj]

I found this page funny. It shows the amount of flickr uploads per phone type.

http://www.flickr.com/cameras/nokia/

N95 ranked first and going down in usage
http://www.flickr.com/cameras/nokia/n95/

N900 going up but no real crazy growth here (friends om mine do have a N900 yet because they simply can't pick them up in combo with a contract)
http://www.flickr.com/cameras/nokia/n900/

[benny1967]

This is getting addictive. ;)

amazon.de lists the N900 as...


#1 in the category "best selling mobile phones with GPS"
#13 in the category "best selling smartphones"
#49 in the category "best selling mobile phones"

[ossipena]

You, and everyone else know what I meant - whats your point.
no, they don't. my point is that if you mean s60v5, you must talk about s60v5, not "symbian GUI" that can refer also to SE etc...

[ossipena]

Dude! One letter q. It's not g.
Qraphical User Interface?

[Veix]

My friend works at 2nd largest Mobile network operator at Estonia, he tells me that every patch of phones they recieve at retail shops is sold out by lunch...
So it is pretty good selling device....

[livefreeordie]

I found this page funny. It shows the amount of flickr uploads per phone type.

How many of us use Ovi Share instead? I know I do.

[fgs]

I just visited the online shop of several national Nokia websites. In shops showing a "top sellers" list, N900 is among the best selling models in many countries.

These are my findings:

Country - Place
Italy - 1st
UK - 1st
France - 1st
Netherlands - 1st
Poland - 1st
Sweden - 1st
USA - 3rd
Germany - not in the top 3
Spain - not in the top 5

[chrisp7]

no, they don't. my point is that if you mean s60v5, you must talk about s60v5, not "symbian GUI" that can refer also to SE etc...

Yes, I know it can, it was a mistake and very obvious in the context of the sentence. No need for such pedantism. At least if you want to be put a smiley face, then your response wouldnt come across as curt/rude. I wouldnt call that a particularly friendly 'Maemo greeting' from you.

[benny1967]

These are my findings:

Country - Place
Italy - 1st
UK - 1stread
France - 1st
Netherlands - 1st
Poland - 1st
Sweden - 1st
USA - 3rd
Germany - not in the top 3
Spain - not in the top 5

almost scary for a 4 of 5, geek-centred non-phone...

i wonder if they're having high return rates (like they had with the n800) or if consumers read the specs before and knew what they bought.

if the return rates are reasonably low, this is most probably not quite what nokia expected. ;)

[danramos]

I just visited the online shop of several national Nokia websites. In shops showing a "top sellers" list, N900 is among the best selling models in many countries.

These are my findings:

Country - Place
Italy - 1st
UK - 1st
France - 1st
Netherlands - 1st
Poland - 1st
Sweden - 1st
USA - 3rd
Germany - not in the top 3
Spain - not in the top 5

Can you cite (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cite) the source for your figures? How did you arrive at those figures? I'm particularly interested to see how well it did in the US, seeing as how Nokia is struggling here.

Edit: Ahh, on re-reading, I noticed you stated you only looked over NOKIA's own web stores. I'm more interested to see how the N900 is actually doing compared to other competing smartphones in general sales. It might not be doing as well, but it might be good to see how it's managing to rise or fall compared to its competitors.

[tissot]

Can you cite (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cite) the source for your figures? How did you arrive at those figures? I'm particularly interested to see how well it did in the US, seeing as how Nokia is struggling here.

Edit: Ahh, on re-reading, I noticed you stated you only looked over NOKIA's own web stores. I'm more interested to see how the N900 is actually doing compared to other competing smartphones in general sales. It might not be doing as well, but it might be good to see how it's managing to rise or fall compared to its competitors.
Well it's already pretty good indication that N900 is doing really good thinking it's selling more than the Symbian phones.

[danramos]

Well it's already pretty good indication that N900 is doing really good thinking it's selling more than the Symbian phones.

But, is it? It seems like a myopic observation if it turned out that Symbian phones are easily outselling the N900 outside of Nokia's online web stores after all. I'd like to have some data for it one way or another.

[benny1967]

I'd like to have some data for it one way or another.

;) But the whole point of this thread is that - usually - Nokia doesn't publish such data for single models.

Of course you're right... and knowing that the N900 outsells the N97 in some online store doesn't mean anything at all.
People don't buy phones online, they get them from their carriers. Even for those who do buy elsewhere, amazon or the Nokia store isn't a valid indicator: As we hear in this forum, it's still pretty difficult in many countries to get the N900 at a local retailer. This may well lead to unusually high sales numbers whereever the device already is available.

So none of the statistics and figures we found answers the question "How many N900s are sold compared to N97s, HTC HD2s or Motorola Milestones or 5800s?"
But seeing quite a lot of indications that the N900 is, at least, not doing too bad (especially for a device that's just entered the market and isn't even available in large numbers everywhere) is comforting. It could have been that we don't find it among any "best selling devices" lists anywhere and that it doesn't make any impact on flickr.

[Kurare]

I have a feeling that they may drop a number or two on the 28th (when they talk numbers anyway) if the N900 is selling well just brag a little about it, but it will quite surely be silence or "selling as we expected" should the numbers be less good. Still feel like they're going to say at least SOMETHING.

[TomJ]

No need for such pedantism.

I think you'll find it's "pedantry"...

8-)

[ossipena]

Yes, I know it can, it was a mistake and very obvious in the context of the sentence. No need for such pedantism. At least if you want to be put a smiley face, then your response wouldnt come across as curt/rude. I wouldnt call that a particularly friendly 'Maemo greeting' from you.

if it was a mistake, why do you attack me instead admitting it?

[jcompagner]

People don't buy phones online, they get them from their carriers.

you live in the states i guess?

i haven't bought in the last 10 years a phone from my carrier... Why would i do that then i get a carrier abused phone.

And around me nobody does that, friends , co workers you name it. Almost all do it on line in shops like gsmweb.nl
If you want a cheap phone i would do it in a shop but then more something like the phonehouse or belcompany not one from a carrier.
But high end phones? always on line.

[benny1967]

you live in the states i guess?

No, but I read papers. - About my location: Try again! Hint:
benny1967
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i haven't bought in the last 10 years a phone from my carrier...
That's a case of "you vs. the people" then. ;)

Last figures I read about the topic was (in a printed article, can't link to it) that here in Austria, the market share of unlocked phones has grown from 17% in 2008 to 28% in 2009. The article also says that these numbers are high compared to the international average, and that the unlocked phones are mainly the cheap models, whereas high-end, expensive models are usually bought on contract.

[bugelrex]

Lets assume 30% of those who bought N900 download an app/widget. The most popular download is OMWeather at 18,000. Lets assume 50% of these folks downloaded it and this download number is accurate.

15% of n900 devices have OMweather =>18,000
total number of n900 to date = 18,000 * 7 => 126,000 units.

Lets be generous and double my number. Based on these assumptions Nokia sold about 256,000 units.

[Lacedaemon]

Yeah, you wish it would be that easy to find out how many units have been sold.

[jsa]

I registered here in the end of May last year after a round of rumours about the N900. There's probably more accurate data about the talk.maemo.org member count somewhere in the logs, but I vaguely recall it being around 21000 at some point. It's over 32000 now. I wonder what percentage of N900 owners registers here?

[schettj]

I wonder what percentage of N900 owners registers here?
Can't imagine it would be a large %. Well under 10. Maybe under 1.

[mikec]

Please place you bids on numbers sold on this thread.

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=41584&highlight=sweepstake

[c0rt3x]

;) But the whole point of this thread is that - usually - Nokia doesn't publish such data for single models.

They do actually publish platform data, like they did with S60v5 (and thus giving specific figures for the first device using a certain platform, this time the 5800XM). Why not assume that all Maemo 5 devices sold last quarter was N900 units? ;)

[c0rt3x]

I just visited the online shop of several national Nokia websites. In shops showing a "top sellers" list, N900 is among the best selling models in many countries.

These are my findings:

Country - Place
Italy - 1st
UK - 1st
France - 1st
Netherlands - 1st
Poland - 1st
Sweden - 1st
USA - 3rd
Germany - not in the top 3
Spain - not in the top 5

Unfortunately this accounts for a wide majority of all N900:s sold everywhere, while only a minority of other Nokia phones are being sold at their website.

[daddeddad]

Well it is highest ranked on Amazons list of selling cell phones at the moment. That will say sin subsidize.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/wireless/ref=pd_dp_ts_cps_1

I don't know what that means since I guess that most users buy their phones with a service...

[chrisp7]

I think you'll find it's "pedantry"...

8-)

:p

if it was a mistake, why do you attack me instead admitting it?

a) I admitted it b) you threw the first stone with your wanton unfriendliness - dont give the forum a bad name, as a 'greeter', Im sure people expect more.;)

[Reflektorfalke]

This german website (http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/gadgets/0,1518,674318,00.html) says that 43 Million iPhones were sold since mid 2007...
Break it down to round about 1.4 Mill. per month...
In relation to that the numbers discussed here for the N900 look very small!

[SubCore]

In relation to that the numbers discussed here for the N900 look very small!

the iphone was heavily subsidized, heavily marketed, and it's target audience is much, MUCH larger than that of the N900.

also, the article doesn't say if those numbers are for the first iPhone, or all 3 combined.

[benny1967]

This german website (http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/gadgets/0,1518,674318,00.html) says that 43 Million iPhones were sold since mid 2007...
Break it down to round about 1.4 Mill. per month...
In relation to that the numbers discussed here for the N900 look very small!

I don't believe anyone ever thought the N900 could compete with full fledged phones that have a working commercial ecosystem. (Which, in case of the iPhone, was established before the first iPhone was announced.)

Nokia competes with the iPhone with their S60 models, and if my last numbers are correct, they're still far ahead with Symbian.

What's surprising for me, though, is how almost mainstream the N900 seems to be in spite of its limited phone functionality and high price. Yes, I would have expected it to sell better than previous tablets. I would not have expected it to find it, say, among the 10 most popular Nokia handsets @ flickr.

[GameboyRMH]

I was keeping an eye on the price on Amazon. Started out around $570 and rose to about $700 when Amazon went out of stock! When they got it back at $530 is when I ordered mine. Since then it's gone up to $542.

[colnago]

I was keeping an eye on the price on Amazon. Started out around $570 and rose to about $700 when Amazon went out of stock! When they got it back at $530 is when I ordered mine. Since then it's gone up to $542.

The price is not "going up" on amazon. Rather, when amazon's stock is emptied, amazon posts the price of the "next cheapest" or "next available vendor", where the product can be purchased.

So when amazon runs out, the posted price may be from "6th Ave Electronics", who may be selling the product for $700, on their own website. Once amazon receives more stock, the posted price will return to amazon's price, and not the other vendors'.

That said, there have been price wars between the vendors, such that if 10 different vendors are all selling the same product via amazon, if one has a big price drop, the others follow suit. The price on my Pioneer AVIC 700 went from $799 to $350, in the span of 30 days...luckily I held out and scooped it up on the low end. After a minor bump in sales, the prices went back up to about $500 after a few weeks.

[reviver]

Well, still no info on N900 sales figures. Nokia did post a pretty awesome 35% to 40% increase in their smartphone global marketshare.

Also they changed the name of the group from smartphones to "converged devices" which I guess is all thanks to N900 =)

[benny1967]

Also they changed the name of the group from smartphones to "converged devices" which I guess is all thanks to N900 =)

I think I read "converged devices" in their reports before.

[ossipena]

:p



a) I admitted it b) you threw the first stone with your wanton unfriendliness - dont give the forum a bad name, as a 'greeter', Im sure people expect more.;)

sorry, that I pointed an error you made. will never do it again because I'll ignore you for now on.


e: ps. nice way to "admit"

You, and everyone else know what I meant - whats your point.

[Patroclo]

Was it a success or a failure?

[Shehab]

Good question

[buxz777]

well it hasnt been pushed alot by nokia and in the uk only cpw and vodafone have really sold it which would have slowed down sales in the uk i dont know what other countries are like

to be honest i still pull out my n900 and people ask what phone it is

needed more networks to get it and also nokia to promote it more

i dont think it was ever meant for mass production hence the lack of advertising and also the shortage of units

maybe they are waiting for pr1.2 bfore they advertise it properley or other netowrks take it up in the uk , i know voda then cpw have had exclusives on it so maybe that is why no others are stocking it yet

i feel that the n900 could have a second wind when others start stocking it etc

[vvaz]

According to reliable sources in the beginning Nokia planned 30,000 monthly production but after big number of preorders bumped it to 100,000.

According to less reliable sources, but still with some credibility, since then they increased monthly production to 200,000 units and still have some problems with meeting demand.

So, if we believe those sources - I do BTW, N900 isn't overwhelming success in absolute numbers (projecting yearly sales about 1,5-2 mln units, topselling 5800 is at 8 mln per year) but it exceeded corporate expectations by several hundred percent.

[Venemo]

Well, at the end of last year, Nokia announced that the interest for the N900 is higher than they expected, so I think it is a success.

If you take into account that it is a product which isn't designed to sell out, I think it is extremely successful.

[benny1967]

Any news on this topic?

I see prices slowly going down now. They haven't reached the previous all-time-low from mid-November, but still.

At amazon.de, the N900 is #94 in the sales charts for mobile phones. (All mobile phones, that is, including all the cheap models.)
For comparison: The N97 is #95 and the iPhone 3GS 32GB is #98.
Interesting, but somewhat confusing for me: The N900 is #5 in the category "phones with GPS".

Flickr camera finder still lists the N900 among Nokias top 10 phones. (Activity/Rank)

My interpretation? I still can't think of how to translate all this into absolute sales figures, but at least I think the market hasn't rejected the device after an initial short period of love - which could have been the case after the holiday season.

New input appreciated. :)

[F2thaK]

getting one for my gf after having mine since it was released

[benny1967]

For the first time, the N900 is among the top 5 (most popular) Nokia camera phones on flickr.

[zombiegavins]

how is the 5800 so high on that list? I had one before I got my n900 and the camera was crap!

[Rauha]

In Nokialand

It's number 2 at the largest on-line electronics retailer (Myydyimmät = most sold)

http://media.share.ovi.com/m1/s/2010/259979ad935e4adf9274248dc1a0fd2d.jpg

In top 20 sales at largest network provider.

http://media.share.ovi.com/m1/s/2010/b8ac4649ad4c4819b0a93ab0192f4584.jpg

In top 4 at second largest network provider's store (Suosituimmat = most popular)

http://media.share.ovi.com/m1/s/2010/b1a78dc7ff424e3498a63483ae70b4fb.jpg

[slender]

how is the 5800 so high on that list? I had one before I got my n900 and the camera was crap!

Be amazed how market really works. It´s not about who is technically best somewhere. It´s mostly about price and supply chain.

And btw.
http://www.flickr.com/cameras/nokia/5800_xpressmusic/
Looking there and landscape photos look quite good on computer screen if you do not zoom pictures. Also after reading couple of comments people seem to be really happy with quality :P

[ysss]

For the first time, the N900 is among the top 5 (most popular) Nokia camera phones on flickr.

Woah... looking at that page ( http://www.flickr.com/cameras/ ), I understand more about iPhone's impact on the (mobile) web...

No wonder there are quite a number of websites who've taken the time and effort to create iPhone-specific interface/skin.

[efekt]

The 5800XM is a very good value-for-money phone. Its very cheap but still provides a very nice user experience, and above basic performance and capabilities.

[donchichi]

Well just some information from Malaysia. When it was launched they didn't have enough stock to sell and had a problem with distribution. There are users who paid a deposit at the retail store and there are online pre-booked orders. So of-course the retail outlet put it out for the people who paid at the retail first aka me! :) So they weren't expecting a lot of people to purchase but look what a headache it caused them.. Even the parallel importers had to order them from elsewhere and said it will take a few days. (Rare in Malaysia) Usually you will get the model you want by days end at the shop if they don't have it in store. Not sure how it is selling now though.

[Enyibinakata]

Woah... looking at that page ( http://www.flickr.com/cameras/ ), I understand more about iPhone's impact on the (mobile) web...

No wonder there are quite a number of websites who've taken the time and effort to create iPhone-specific interface/skin.

too many yanks on the web ?

[gryedouge]

i wonder if they're having high return rates (like they had with the n800) or if consumers read the specs before and knew what they bought.

if the return rates are reasonably low, this is most probably not quite what nokia expected. ;)

I was thinking about this as well...considering the number of forum posters who keep proclaiming that they are returning their '900s I am surprised at the apparent sales growth, as mentioned in this thread.

[Texrat]

You'll know a product like the N900 is selling well when a significant third-party accessory ecosystem builds up around it.

[ysss]

too many yanks on the web ?

I know there are plenty of instances that the (usually us-based) media over-estimates the US' role in the world.

But in this case I think you're underestimating them...

[benny1967]

Yo'll know a product like the N900 is selling well when a significant third-party accessory ecosystem builds up around it.

seems to be the case. this is the first maemo-device they offer accessories for at all in "my local internet" (=popular sites/shops from central europe like amazon.de)

screen protectors, pouches, car mounts, chargers...
it'll be difficult to offer other things (like headphones/usb accessories/...) for the N900 as long as nokia keeps this annoying habit of using standard connectors ;)

[Texrat]

seems to be the case. this is the first maemo-device they offer accessories for at all in "my local internet" (=popular sites/shops from central europe like amazon.de)

screen protectors, pouches, car mounts, chargers...
it'll be difficult to offer other things (like headphones/usb accessories/...) for the N900 as long as nokia keeps this annoying habit of using standard connectors ;)

Docking stations are to me the best indicator of industry acceptance for mobile devices. They're all over for iProducts.

Of course, some car mounts for the N900 have them, so that's a good sign.

[tirtawn]

how is the 5800 so high on that list? I had one before I got my n900 and the camera was crap!

true, so thats why now its stay at home and become battery charger for n900 :)

On the side note: 5800 is better than nuron for the camera.

[Ken-Young]

This will not be of much use in calculating the total number of N900s in the wild, but I have made the same app (orrery) available for the Openmoko and Maemo 5 platforms. Two months after the Maemo 5 version was available in Extras it had three times as many downloads as the Openmoko version had had in two years. Of course, only about 20,000 Openmoko phones were sold.

[ysss]

This will not be of much use in calculating the total number of N900s in the wild, but I have made the same app (orrery) available for the Openmoko and Maemo 5 platforms. Two months after the Maemo 5 version was available in Extras it had three times as many downloads as the Openmoko version had had in two years. Of course, only about 20,000 Openmoko phones were sold.

How many times was the openmoko version downloaded, two months after you made the software available back then?

[Ken-Young]

How many times was the openmoko version downloaded, two months after you made the software available back then?

I don't have those numbers, but I'm sure that the rate of Maemo 5 downloads just after release is more than two orders of magnitude larger than the number of Openmoko downloads just after release. At peak, I was getting about two downloads per minute from the Maemo Extras repository.

[Patroclo]

It would be interesting to see a plot of the ratio number of n900 sold/number of iphone sold vs the month.

[telnet]

It would be interesting to see a plot of the ratio number of n900 sold/number of iphone sold vs the month.

Two totally different phones, I-phone is for the masses, N900 definately a specialist phone.

The average Joe Bloggs will hate the N900.

I on the other hand LOVE the N900 but I work in IT and would consider myself a techie.


Joe bloggs wont use half the apps in the repos,. they are looking for fart apps and picture distorters whilst i need network sniffers, VNC, IM a command line and a whole host of other useful tools to help me not have to carry my bulky Lenovo around with me :)

[telnet]

Ah man i forgot to give QTIRRECO an honorable mention! This app is a complete and utter GODSEND for me. The idiot that specced out our offices seems to have ordered a different bloody plasma for each meeting room (67 in total)

Well actually we have about 6 different makes plus BR players etc etc and my mates hate the fact that when a user reports a fault i take my phone and they have to take a bunch of remotes!!!!!!

[benny1967]

It would be interesting to see a plot of the ratio number of n900 sold/number of iphone sold vs the month.

would be a quite arbitrary and hardly meaningful comparison, wouldn't it? the original iphone, when it was introduced, was a very simple, low-complexity, no-frills feature phone that had the whole companies marketing machine behind it - and carrier subsidies.

the N900 is a very powerful, complex, hardly subsidised mini-computer that enjoys very little marketing only and has a company behind it which (rightfully) says: we didn't make this for the mass market, think twice before you buy it.

as i said before: the benchmark for the N900's success aren't the iPhone or the Nokia C3 or the Samsung Corby; not even so-called smartphones. the only valid banchmark is Nokia's own expectation about the commercial success.
don't forget it wasn't designed to be "as successful as possible" and to be sold to "every consumer on earth, if possible". it was designed for a certain type of consumer. and it may be a surprising finding that it either appeals to other types of consumers as well... or the target group is just larger than expected.

[qole]

And if Nokia has already increased production, they'd better increase it a hell of a lot more before Easy Debian gets out of testing and starts generating publicity.

qole.org, which hosts my Easy Debian image files, is showing a download usage of 67.6 GIGABYTES A DAY (69261 MB).

They're estimating TWO TERABYTES this month!

I got 52,092 requests for the Easy Debian image files last month. Some of those might be multiple requests from one user, but still...

:eek: :cool:

Thank you, Dreamhost, for your unlimited hosting plan.

[qole]

Another interesting tidbit about Nokia's view of the N900:

Anurag Thakur, the Canadian technology marketing guy for Nokia, said the N900 is considered inside Nokia as a "developer phone" and it was never intended to go mass-market. :eek:

[danramos]

Another interesting tidbit about Nokia's view of the N900:

Anurag Thakur, the Canadian technology marketing guy for Nokia, said the N900 is considered inside Nokia as a "developer phone" and it was never intended to go mass-market. :eek:

Reminds me of Google beta services that would never seem to come out of beta. At least they eventually DID.. and are much more evolved and better supported without burning legacy users than anything Nokia's done or communicated so far. I hope they intend to change that. If they did, I'm sure many people would be pleasantly surprised given Nokia's issues with customer service and support.

Besides--aren't they basically admitting that they don't have a product, then? What the hell kind of company intends to succeed without products? Even SUPPORT and SERVICES are products--we don't even get that for the Internet Tablet series and the N900 phone.

[rcarlos]

the N900 is a very powerful, complex, hardly subsidised mini-computer that enjoys very little marketing only and has a company behind it which (rightfully) says: we didn't make this for the mass market, think twice before you buy it.



Surprisingly, I hear and read this only in this forum, where as in the real world nothing is mentioned ,and every launch is done with huge fanfare....... Pls refer the hong kong launch recently....the road show video and launch video are on You tube.

[tissot]

Surprisingly, I hear and read this only in this forum, where as in the real world every launch is done with huge fanfare....... Pls refer the hong kong launch recently....the road show video and launch video are on You tube.

True, but i don't think it needs more proof than the Korean factory where N900 is only made. They could not even produce enough for the small demand compared to the normal high end phone factory combo(Finland + China) that has been able to make 2 million N97 in 2 months or made 17 million N95 or +10 million E71.

If they where expecting big volume from N900 why are they using only one factory that's already much smaller than the Finland, Salo one?

[cashclientel]

I've tried to Google for charts/graphs that show phone sales but can't see anything.

Does anyone have any links to get proper figures on this?

[DaSilva]

The following link does not represent how often a device has been sold but you can compare how many internet sites write about something:
http://www.google.de/trends?q=nokia+n900%2C+nokia+n97&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=1
(here the comparison between Nokia N900 and N97).

[benny1967]

Surprisingly, I hear and read this only in this forum, where as in the real world nothing is mentioned ,and every launch is done with huge fanfare....... Pls refer the hong kong launch recently....the road show video and launch video are on You tube.

I just can tell you that although my country was among the first where the N900 was available at all, I have never seen one single ad in any mass media (tons of ads for the N97 or the "Comes With Music" phones) or in the streets or even in media for people who're more interested in gadgets of this kind. - The only ads were those on the Nokia site itself. Not even the one single carrier that offers the N900 on contract is doing any sort of marketing for it. You see it in the online shop only if you search for it. The only media presence it enjoyed was reviews.

Other models you see in prime time TV commercials. That's marketing.


I'm not aware of any "huge fanfare" in other places, either. The Hong Kong launch was one event in a hotel. - I don't know of anything else. Do they have advertising there?

[bjknight]

The only ads in the UK are in the windows of Carphone Warehouse and even those have mostly vanished now. It might as well have never existed.

[rcarlos]

I just can tell you that although my country was among the first where the N900 was available at all, I have never seen one single ad in any mass media (tons of ads for the N97 or the "Comes With Music" phones) or in the streets or even in media for people who're more interested in gadgets of this kind. - The only ads were those on the Nokia site itself. Not even the one single carrier that offers the N900 on contract is doing any sort of marketing for it. You see it in the online shop only if you search for it. The only media presence it enjoyed was reviews.

Other models you see in prime time TV commercials. That's marketing.


I'm not aware of any "huge fanfare" in other places, either. The Hong Kong launch was one event in a hotel. - I don't know of anything else. Do they have advertising there?

Actually have seen some of the TV/Film ads...don't recollect them but here is the one from youtube abt a roadshow in HK
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzMOkAocxUM

[HugoSon]

For the first time, the N900 is among the top 5 (most popular) Nokia camera phones on flickr.

...just 3 days later - down to 8 and - more important - the activity factor dropped from 5 down to 2.

[slender]

Another interesting tidbit about Nokia's view of the N900:

Anurag Thakur, the Canadian technology marketing guy for Nokia, said the N900 is considered inside Nokia as a "developer phone" and it was never intended to go mass-market. :eek:
I wonder, Do they have any idea of what their marketing is doing for example in UK? Does Nokia have any idea what is actually happening inside them or around? What kind of management is that? Highly fragmented corporation with it´s every single arm doing what ever they want to do. Nice :)

[HugoSon]

I wonder, Do they have any idea of what their marketing is doing for example in UK? Does Nokia have any idea what is actually happening inside them or around? What kind of management is that? Highly fragmented corporation with it´s every single arm doing what ever they want to do. Nice :)

...you are living in Finland - so you certainly know some Finns working at Nokia - talk with them and you are not wondering anymore. I'm about once a month in Finland and know some Finns working for Nokia - I'm just wondering that they are able to release something - seems to be totally (re-orga after re-orga, in transparent strategy changes, "hardcore developers" finding themselves suddenly in a web project trying to code JS, etc.) chaos.

[digital909]

In London there has been next to no marketing for this handset which is odd, you'll usually come across some kind of ambient advertising somewhere. At first, I thought this was cool, kind of anti-branding, going for that niche-cool type tag. I did think, though, that they would let people build the device up on the web a bit and then push it again. But nothing, zilch, zero. It just seems like very poor foresight from Nokia. Who the hell does their marketing for them and what exactly are they trying to do?

[rcarlos]

might be a strategy to get their act together with the updated software and then go in for the volumes

[fhofer]

The following link does not represent how often a device has been sold but you can compare how many internet sites write about something:
http://www.google.de/trends?q=nokia+n900%2C+nokia+n97&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=1
(here the comparison between Nokia N900 and N97).Quite interesting - I was not aware of this google service. Surprisingly, the Czech Republic (that's where I am from) is #3 country on that list and Czech in #4 language. The strange part is that English is not even in top ten?? :eek:

[benny1967]

...just 3 days later - down to 8 and - more important - the activity factor dropped from 5 down to 2.

that's usual.... it's always been between 7 and 10, sometimes even outside the top ten, but slowly making its way up towards the top 5.

when i posted the screenshot it was the first time i'd seen it among the top five.

even at #10 it'd be pretty amazing for a phone that shouldn't be mass market in the first place. it's supposed to be at #50 or #100.

[Crashdamage]

Whatever the actual sales numbers are, they're clearly much better than Nokia projected. That despite, as I understand it, little promotion in Europe or Asia and none whatsoever in the US or the rest of North or South America.

Apparently so strong the N900 has kinda changed their strategy. Maemo/MeeGo is no longer a little-known side project for a small group of linux fans within Nokia and Intel. No longer Step 4 of 5 of a series of niche devices.

The N900 apparently convinced both Nokia and Intel there's a real market for MeeGo and to throw some serious resources into it as their future OS for pocket computing. If N900 sales numbers and most feedback were anything less than very good we never would've heard a thing about MeeGo. MeeGo is partly a result of the N900's success.

As far as actual numbers I'd wager the N900 has sold at least as well, worldwide, as the Nexus One. That's amazing!

[fgs]

Some data from the online high score table of my 100 Boxes (http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/100boxes/) game. This will not help guess the absolute numbers, but maybe the distribution by country.

In 5 months, 16,897 game scores have been submitted from 7,305 unique IP addresses from 135 countries. These are the top countries:

United Kingdom 19,1%
Finland 11,2%
United States 8,9%
Germany 6,7%
Netherlands 4,8%
Russian Federation 4,1%
Italy 3,9%
France 3,3%
Sweden 2,4%
China 2,3%
India 1,7%
Norway 1,5%
Saudi Arabia 1,5%
Spain 1,4%
Other 27,3%

[Topsku]

This might be helpful...or not
http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=1372013

[benny1967]

Nokia seems to have corrected Gartner's numbers about "100000 N900s sold in 5 months". Engadget says they have received an update that it was 100000 in the first 5 weeks... So one thing we know for sure: Nokia sold more than 100000 N900s :D

[sjgadsby]

The thread "n900: what about the sales in the world?" with five posts has been merged into this thread.

[Patroclo]

I think it's true that Nokia did not sell too many n900's (just a quick question to english people: is it correct to write "n900's" or "n900s" to make the plural?).
Many people I know they even don't know what n900 is. They had never seen it before. In the region where I live (Italy) I could never see the n900 in hypermarkets or superstores (where the majority of people by phones). All the other phones (Nokia and others) are there, except the n900. The n900 is existing just in the Nokia shops.

[gerbick]

Nokia seems to have corrected Gartner's numbers about "100000 N900s sold in 5 months". Engadget says they have received an update that it was 100000 in the first 5 weeks... So one thing we know for sure: Nokia sold more than 100000 N900s :D

Nokia's correction is still ambiguous. I would love to know accurate numbers.

[YoDude]

Nokia seems to have corrected Gartner's numbers about "100000 N900s sold in 5 months". Engadget says they have received an update that it was 100000 in the first 5 weeks... So one thing we know for sure: Nokia sold more than 100000 N900s :D

Any linkage?

Edit: NM, I found it >> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft%3Aen-us%3AIE-SearchBox&q=engadget+n900+sales&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

[YoDude]

Nokia's correction is still ambiguous. I would love to know accurate numbers.

True, they both could be right... after five weeks sales could of gone in the dumper and no one has bought one since. :D

Whatever it is, it's pro'ly less than a million because that number is sort of a milestone and we would have heard about it. Pride driven internal leaks and whatnot.

Crashdamage brings up a valid point about interest. If the numbers were disappointing we may have seen MeeGo corporate involvement by Intel or even Nokia slow or at least see indications that bets were being hedged. I am not aware of any of that happening.

But I really like fgs's picture of the pie regarding distribution by country. Particularly in countries where service providers have a lot of control over sales because of service contracts.

[RWFarley]

I think it's true that Nokia did not sell too many n900's (just a quick question to english people: is it correct to write "n900's" or "n900s" to make the plural?).
Many people I know they even don't know what n900 is. They had never seen it before. In the region where I live (Italy) I could never see the n900 in hypermarkets or superstores (where the majority of people by phones). All the other phones (Nokia and others) are there, except the n900. The n900 is existing just in the Nokia shops.

Many N900s (plural) have been sold. The N900's (possessive) power is what attcted me to the platform.

[48GX]

so?

are there any indications or numbers about n900 sales?

[teamer]

well ... having like million visitor to this site a day says alot !

[Estel]

In my country, price of second-hand N900's in ideal condition have changed from 150-200$ to 250-300$ in few months. This trend is even bigger, when You consider, than USD become ~10% *stronger* compared to my national currency (so, the trend should be opposite - less dollars needed to compensate for same value in local currency).

I'm pretty sure, that it's caused by Nokian's politics on trashing devices with broken USB port and replacing it with sh|tty things like E7,N8 or N9, + the fact that there is still no real competitive device on market.

/Estel