After years of great experiences with Nokia, I got an N97 and a N900. Sadly.

[dhcmega]

After years of great experiences with Nokia, I got an N97 and a N900. Sadly.

I was a really happy user of the Nokia 6600 and the excellent N95, among others. A few month ago I bought a N97, which was a really bad experience. Poorly GPS antenna, freezed screens, reboots, low memory issues, etc, etc, etc. Decent firmware took eons.
Now I have a N900. Other disappointment.

I found that the N900 is not a PC nor a Cellphone.
Why??
Beyond the camera, FlashPlayer 9.4, shell access, keyword (with some of the same problems that the N97 had), screen which is fine, the cell phone function is super poorly implemented. Come on, where is the experience from thousands of great telephones released before?? Are we going to start from scratch? No speed dial, no USSD, no favorites in contacts, no easy way to find contacts (I have 400) without opening the keyboard, screen has lag when ringing and turning, poorly SMS implentation, I mean, ok we have "conversations" at last, it was about time, but all the other features are gone (every heavy user will know what I am talking about). No MMS?? It is a joke. No possiblity to add APNs?? Amazing. A tiny rootfs partition, none sense.

On the other side, 600Mhz it is not enough as 256 of RAM either. This is no longer a pure cellphone OS, we are using a really multitasking linux! Google's phone has almost twice of both things. A terrible lack of apps (yet at least), Nokia is depending on free coders to implement basic cell phone features, ridiculous. Never expected from a big/serious company.

OVI Maps??? PC Suite?? Not fully implemented. How could this ever be??

I know that there is a lot of extras (mostly DEVEL) for solving many of those things, that IMO should Nokia took care of. No doubts at all.

So, the thing is that N900 or N97 with very last firmware, despite the hardware things, could be, or have the potential to be really good phones. N900 is not, yet.


dhcmega

[McLightning]

im also using an n95 8gb i think n95 was the latest success of nokia
since then i haven't seen any great news from nokia.nokia keeps loosin fans :/ it's sad but it's true

[acano]

8 disagree. personally N900 is the best phone of the market actually. Bur of course ther are still many things to do. Regards!

[Dancairo]

sigh...oh god, another one...RESEARCH RESEARCH RESEARCH!!!

[slender]

Are we going to start from scratch?
Yes. Do you think that Maemo team has imported some code from symbian?

So, the thing is that N900 or N97 with very last firmware, despite the hardware things, could be, or have the potential to be really good phones. N900 is not, yet.

I think that in hurry they forgot to ask from testers that what would they think if they had to pay ~500€ of their OWN money for this. I would be thrilled to test this and give it back but testing this and giving loan of 500€ to Nokia because of potential and Open Source spirit seems to be bit too much. Or at least it would be for me. I got this as present so I´m quite happy :)

[jsa]

rant

*HUG* Yes, we know. Anything else you want to get off your chest? Just let it out and you'll feel better..

[chenliangchen]

N900 is one of the best cellphone I've been used so far, way better than the N97.

Just need time to get all the software been developed. When s60v3 was released in 2005/06, it was terribly lack of software as well.

I personally don't like the form-factor of N95, My favourite is the forgotten N93/N93i :-D

[dhcmega]

*HUG* Yes, we know. Anything else you want to get off your chest? Just let it out and you'll feel better..

Yes!!! Only 3G for 2100 Mhz. 850 and 1900 Mhz will only get 2.5G....

Thanks!

[dhcmega]

Yes. Do you think that Maemo team has imported some code from symbian?



I think that in hurry they forgot to ask from testers that what would they think if they had to pay ~500€ of their OWN money for this. I would be thrilled to test this and give it back but testing this and giving loan of 500€ to Nokia because of potential and Open Source spirit seems to be bit too much. Or at least it would be for me. I got this as present so I´m quite happy :)


I don´t think that they have used code for any other OS. IT is not a code issue, it is a common sense issue.

[dhcmega]

N900 is one of the best cellphone I've been used so far, way better than the N97.

Just need time to get all the software been developed. When s60v3 was released in 2005/06, it was terribly lack of software as well.

I personally don't like the form-factor of N95, My favourite is the forgotten N93/N93i :-D


N95 is ugly phone. That is way my love for it is totally real !!! jajajaj

[dhcmega]

8 disagree. personally N900 is the best phone of the market actually. Bur of course ther are still many things to do. Regards!

I know, the thing is that those missing things turn it into not the best phone out there, IMO.

[Martin Holz]

On the other side, 600Mhz it is not enough as 256 of RAM either. This is no longer a pure cellphone OS, we are using a really multitasking linux!My first Linux computer had 33MHz and 8MB RAM. Linux was runing fine, X was a little bit slow.

[TA-t3]

dhcmega, I don't understand why you bought the phone if it doesn't serve your needs. You sound like an experienced user who knows what you want, so don't tell me you bought a quite expensive gadget without looking at the features? Lots of folks bought the N900 knowing exactly what they got, and they're happy campers because of that. That doesn't mean everyone will like it. If you want a polished, traditional phone it's not for you I think.

[dhcmega]

My first Linux computer had 33MHz and 8MB RAM. Linux was runing fine, X was a little bit slow.

Try that linux and it will fly, but I guess that there are 15? years of coding and a bigger kernel in the middle! :P

[P@t]

I really do not understand people writing to complain and to say that they do not like it.... I usually do not post but i do not know how many of those kind of uninformative message have been posted.
Come on. Calm down. Have a look at the talk.maemo and you will see that your comparison of CPU vs nexus is not to be done the way you do. Then the phone functionality bah you should know that the n900 is not having those super phone functionality, full point. This has been said so many times.

With your sort of mentality, It is always better elsewhere. If you were having a nexus, you would still complain.
Enjoy what you have. Or go and whine somewhere else.

[slender]

I don´t think that they have used code for any other OS. IT is not a code issue, it is a common sense issue.

Me too that's why I asked it as rhetorical question.

Go read Bugzilla and Brainstorm and see that there is no common sense or well known "standards" here.

And yes it's just matter of coding it and implementing it properly.

Only thing right now you can do is stop conversation and do following:
- Vote, write bugzilla reports, brainstorm, vote, wait and learn ways to use it.
- Sell device and find something more appropriate to your needs and stop wasting your time with pondering wondering what might happen and what sucks.

[dhcmega]

dhcmega, I don't understand why you bought the phone if it doesn't serve your needs. You sound like an experienced user who knows what you want, so don't tell me you bought a quite expensive gadget without looking at the features? Lots of folks bought the N900 knowing exactly what they got, and they're happy campers because of that. That doesn't mean everyone will like it. If you want a polished, traditional phone it's not for you I think.

Yes, you are right. The truth it that I asked a friend of mine that went to the US to investigate prices and stuff. When he came back, he surprised me with my new 653 dls N900 cell phone. It is really dificult to feel and experience a phone through forums though.

What I don´t like Nokia, in time where competition is tight, to release a phone that goes backwards in some aspects.

I know it could get to be a really good phone, but it is not there yet. Of course, IMO. And I don´t like Nokia delegating some features on coders good will.

[NvyUs]

the n900 is a great piece of kit just needs maturing and few missing features adding

[jussi69]

After years of great experiences with Nokia, I got an N97 and a N900. Sadly.

I was a really happy user of the Nokia 6600 and the excellent N95, among others. A few month ago I bought a N97, which was a really bad experience. Poorly GPS antenna, freezed screens, reboots, low memory issues, etc, etc, etc. Decent firmware took eons.
Now I have a N900. Other disappointment.

I found that the N900 is not a PC nor a Cellphone.
Why??
Beyond the camera, FlashPlayer 9.4, shell access, keyword (with some of the same problems that the N97 had), screen which is fine, the cell phone function is super poorly implemented. Come on, where is the experience from thousands of great telephones released before?? Are we going to start from scratch? No speed dial, no USSD, no favorites in contacts, no easy way to find contacts (I have 400) without opening the keyboard, screen has lag when ringing and turning, poorly SMS implentation, I mean, ok we have "conversations" at last, it was about time, but all the other features are gone (every heavy user will know what I am talking about). No MMS?? It is a joke. No possiblity to add APNs?? Amazing. A tiny rootfs partition, none sense.

On the other side, 600Mhz it is not enough as 256 of RAM either. This is no longer a pure cellphone OS, we are using a really multitasking linux! Google's phone has almost twice of both things. A terrible lack of apps (yet at least), Nokia is depending on free coders to implement basic cell phone features, ridiculous. Never expected from a big/serious company.

OVI Maps??? PC Suite?? Not fully implemented. How could this ever be??

I know that there is a lot of extras (mostly DEVEL) for solving many of those things, that IMO should Nokia took care of. No doubts at all.

So, the thing is that N900 or N97 with very last firmware, despite the hardware things, could be, or have the potential to be really good phones. N900 is not, yet.


dhcmega

I have to agree with you. It appears N95 was the latest decent Nokia device. It really, really makes me boil when I realize Nokia is outsourcing its beta-testing to paying customers like you and me. Never would have thought such from a company as big as Nokia.

[dhcmega]

I really do not understand people writing to complain and to say that they do not like it.... I usually do not post but i do not know how many of those kind of uninformative message have been posted.
Come on. Calm down. Have a look at the talk.maemo and you will see that your comparison of CPU vs nexus is not to be done the way you do. Then the phone functionality bah you should know that the n900 is not having those super phone functionality, full point. This has been said so many times.

With your sort of mentality, It is always better elsewhere. If you were having a nexus, you would still complain.
Enjoy what you have. Or go and whine somewhere else.

Thats it´s your opinion. And mine is as good as yours.

[dhcmega]

the n900 is a great piece of kit just needs maturing and few missing features adding

I agree. But I think that some of them are basic and the phone should be released with those features tested and implemented.

[Bratag]

Sweet Jesus, ANOTHER one of these threads. For ****s sake mods could we please just get one "Whine about n900/convince me I am wrong/General attention whore" thread created and these things merged into it. This type of thread pops up 3 times a farking day or more. Do we really need a new thread every single time some tosser decides he no longer wants the phone?

I don't create a new thread every day I wake up and decide to keep it.

[dhcmega]

For those how wonder why a cry here instead of the church, it is because other people like me, could read the other side of the story and no only those happy reviews.

[dhcmega]

Sweet Jesus, ANOTHER one of these threads. For ****s sake mods could we please just get one "Whine about n900/convince me I am wrong/General attention whore" thread created and these things merged into it. This type of thread pops up 3 times a farking day or more. Do we really need a new thread every single time some tosser decides he no longer wants the phone?

I don't create a new thread every day I wake up and decide to keep it.

Ok, sorry for the duplicate thread. But, hey, 3 or + post of this kind a day may indicate something.

[slender]

For those how wonder why a cry here instead of the church, it is because other people like me, could read the other side of the story and no only those happy reviews.

Have you seen any here? What you said has been told daily 5-10 times.

[jussi69]

Sweet Jesus, ANOTHER one of these threads. For ****s sake mods could we please just get one "Whine about n900/convince me I am wrong/General attention whore" thread created and these things merged into it. This type of thread pops up 3 times a farking day or more. Do we really need a new thread every single time some tosser decides he no longer wants the phone?

I don't create a new thread every day I wake up and decide to keep it.

Yeah, please hide it quickly before anybody sees it! Only positive comments allowed. Destroy all the negative comments about N900. Quickly!

[Bratag]

Ok, sorry for the duplicate thread. But, hey, 3 or + post of this kind a day may indicate something.

Yes its an indicator of

1) People don't use the search button
2) People create a new thread based on stream on consciousness rather than something that might be useful or valid.
3) People didn't do any research before buying the phone

I bought the phone immediately it was available - and even with that in mind I was able to watch several review videos and read multiple reviews. Many of which pointed out the issues you have with the device. Its a buyer beware world we live in. So .... beware.

[slender]

Yeah, please hide it quickly before anybody sees it! Only positive comments allowed. Destroy all the negative comments about N900. Quickly!

He maybe tries to suggest that use search and post threads where these issues have already been told hundred times.

[Laughing Man]

Ok, sorry for the duplicate thread. But, hey, 3 or + post of this kind a day may indicate something.

People who are unhappy are always going to be more visible than people who are happy. And with any product you will find people who are unhappy with it. Even the Nexus One and iPhone can't escape that.

As for why the N900 doesn't have basic phone features, it's because maemo and symbian are two very different operating systems with two different teams (I believe maemo has a very small development team)and two different (originally) design purposes. Maemo was designed to be more of a computer based OS hence it's design reflects that, it's only with the N900 where phone capability outside of VOIP was added. With the N900 the maemo developers likely focused on the computer os aspect of it first and then the phone aspect later.

[77h]

When my friend came back from the US, he surprised me with my new N900 cell phone. It is really dificult to feel and experience a phone through forums though.
.

Hey man... Happy man. Sell it on ebay, amazon or wherever. You will get more then your friend paid for it and you will make someone else very happy

You did not find any info in the forums before buying? Well one of the very first things I read was from the Maemo boss saying this is step 5 out of 6 (!) This should mean something to you. I do not feel it is a beta phone. I think it is VERY WELL executed (!)

You did not see and touch the phone before buying it. You can sell it for a profit but all you do is come here to whine about it. The phone is made for a target market & it seems this target is VERY happy with it. You are not part of this target -> Sell it make a profit, buy another phone and everyone is happy :confused:

[dhcmega]

He maybe tries to suggest that use search and post threads where these issues have already been told hundred times.

And he was right. Apologies.

But I sense that some people take this personally. It is just an opinion.

[alias3800]

N95 is an awesome phone dude, I agree. It also happens to be the one I left behind for the N900 though.

What I don't think people are realizing is the time spent on improving the n95, both from the community and the company. That phone has been out for YEARS. N900 just needs some time and patience. No phone is going to be perfect on its release, especially not with a revamped OS.

Oh, and Nokia is just trying a different business strategy, ala Apple and Iphone developers. Apple just has more support and better footing already.

[dhcmega]

Yes its an indicator of

1) People don't use the search button
2) People create a new thread based on stream on consciousness rather than something that might be useful or valid.
3) People didn't do any research before buying the phone

I bought the phone immediately it was available - and even with that in mind I was able to watch several review videos and read multiple reviews. Many of which pointed out the issues you have with the device. Its a buyer beware world we live in. So .... beware.

I understand. But as I said. I suddenly found myself with a N900, which I wrongly thought It was a continuation of know-how.

[dhcmega]

N95 is an awesome phone dude, I agree. It also happens to be the one I left behind for the N900 though.

What I don't think people are realizing is the time spent on improving the n95, both from the community and the company. That phone has been out for YEARS. N900 just needs some time and patience. No phone is going to be perfect on its release, especially not with a revamped OS.

Oh, and Nokia is just trying a different business strategy, ala Apple and Iphone developers. Apple just has more support and better footing already.

I fully understand that there could be O.S. related problemas, etc. But basic functions missing it is what surprises me.

[Venty]

Calm down folks. The N900 is not yet the perfect phone, BUT it is perfect for hacking! Imagine the N900 being perfect from the start. How boring would that be?

E.g. the missing MMS feature: At first, I was shaking my head at this. How could Nokia possible drop this feature? But then I read the brainstorm thread in this very forum. And just by trying out Frals' fmms, I learned more about how MMS works in a few days than in years before. And fmms is a great example on how the hackers community works.

Personally I think, the N900 is well usable by Joe Average but it there are other phones (from Nokia or from other companies) that suit their needs.

OTOH, the N900 is a hacker's dream. It is what the OpenMoko tried to become but then failed because of poor hardware.

[silvermountain]

Sweet Jesus, ANOTHER one of these threads. For ****s sake mods could we please just get one "Whine about n900/convince me I am wrong/General attention whore" thread created and these things merged into it. This type of thread pops up 3 times a farking day or more. Do we really need a new thread every single time some tosser decides he no longer wants the phone?

I don't create a new thread every day I wake up and decide to keep it.

And yet you find the time and energy to reply to every one of them and to even be offensive in all your posts.
Impressive and another reminder to why I hardly ever come to these forums anymore.
Funny that it was the Fanboys that made me dislike the forums.

[colnago]

.no favorites in contacts,



You could configure "Nicknames" for your favorite contacts, then sort your contacts by "Nicknames"


.no easy way to find contacts (I have 400) without opening the keyboard


You can use the "Letter shortcuts" to "jump" to a given section of your contacts list...no need to open keyboard.


.screen has lag when ringing and turning,

Maybe this is by design, to allow for minor angle changes when handling the phone, so as not to change the layout. Some people may perfer this..


.it is not enough as 256 of RAM either

Really? It was my understanding that the device has "up to" 1GB of "RAM":

http://www.nokiausa.com/find-products/phones/nokia-n900/specifications

Memory
Up to 32 GB internal storage
microSD memory card extension, hotswappable, up to 16 GB* (sold separately)
Total available application memory up to 1 GB (256 MB RAM, 768 MB virtual memory)

.A terrible lack of apps (yet at least)


How many new devices, be it a "smartphone", or "PC", etc, have large amounts of apps on its release date? How many were developed by the company creating the OS vs. 3rd party vendors?

I understand that you may want to provide some negative comments on a device that you were dissapointed with, which may or may not be issues for other users (none of your comments are concerns of mine), but at least try to make your posts "accurate", or "balanced" at the very least.

[frals]

Right, I'll bite - I usually stay clear of threads like this, but hey, it's friday!


I was a really happy user of the Nokia 6600 and the excellent N95, among others.


As a person coming from the N95 myself, I can relate I guess. It was indeed an extraordinary device when it came (imo).


I found that the N900 is not a PC nor a Cellphone.
Why??
Beyond the camera, FlashPlayer 9.4, shell access, keyword (with some of the same problems that the N97 had), screen which is fine, the cell phone function is super poorly implemented.

It's not a PC? I consider it as a portable computer, seeing as I (while on my commute to/from uni) do the following: read/answer mail, check what's new on various websites, watch the nights before tv-episodes. If I feel inclined, I fire open pygtkeditor and code a bit, and can do a git commit; git push right there from the bus.
OTOH, I don't expect it to run my brand new PC games - but really - did you?


Come on, where is the experience from thousands of great telephones released before?? Are we going to start from scratch? No speed dial, no USSD, no favorites in contacts, no easy way to find contacts (I have 400) without opening the keyboard, screen has lag when ringing and turning, poorly SMS implentation, I mean, ok we have "conversations" at last, it was about time, but all the other features are gone (every heavy user will know what I am talking about). No MMS?? It is a joke. No possiblity to add APNs?? Amazing. A tiny rootfs partition, none sense.


As you might have noticed, this is the first version of this operating system where there are phone capabilities at all, childproblems are to be expected. But yes, it would be nice to have *everything* but reality is, you'll never get everything.
I consider myself a "heavy user" of SMS, averaging 300ish a month, give or take a few - what's missing? Except for a way to turn off the darn smilies, I'm not missing anything from what the N95 had in the way of SMS.

The good thing with Maemo is, while features are missing, most - if not all - can be added by *ANYONE*. No MMS you say? Community has added that, sure, it's not perfect, but it's getting better all the time.
Not being able to add APN? It's right there in Extras - search for "fAPN" ;)
No USSD? I'm sure I've read it's user contributed as well (search for USSD-widget).

(How long did it take e.g. the iPhone to get MMS?)

You see where I'm going with this? While many features are missing out of the box, they are being added constantly by other users. Welcome the the world of Maemo, where we don't only complain about missing features - we add them ;)




OVI Maps??? PC Suite?? Not fully implemented. How could this ever be??

I know that there is a lot of extras (mostly DEVEL) for solving many of those things, that IMO should Nokia took care of. No doubts at all.

The PC Suite support is bad, agreed (can't say I ever needed it though, Exchange sync handles it for me ;)).

Well, it would've been nice to have every single feature anyone can think of in the box, but then we would never see a release ;)

Bottomline is, if your not happy with the device - return it! Do some research on the next phone you consider buying before actually buying it and I'm certain you will be much happier with your next purchase, regardless of brand. :)

[mrojas]

Do people realize that Snapdragon is a bastardized ARM version of the OMAP the N900 has?

Do people realize that even if Snapdragon where to deliver more performance than OMAP (they are different architectures, so you can't compare speeds MHz); there is a big bottleneck accesing all that power, due to the VM Dalvik architecture of Android?

Do people know that the N900 has 768 Mb of swap?

I swear, this is starting to look like the Ghz race of PC's a while ago...

Edit: And just for the record, I completely agree that some functions in Maemo (namely phone ones) are inferior than Symbian, and apparently, that was a conscious design choice taken by the UI team due to short time to release the device.

[Bratag]

And yet you find the time and energy to reply to every one of them and to even be offensive in all your posts.
Impressive and another reminder to why I hardly ever come to these forums anymore.
Funny that it was the Fanboys that made me dislike the forums.

I reply to them in in the desperate hope that people will some day grow a clue if they see the same "USE EXISTING THREADS" message over and over again.

@OP: I appreciate you didn't know better. Sorry to be so harsh on you.

[fatalsaint]

On the other side, 600Mhz it is not enough as 256 of RAM either. This is no longer a pure cellphone OS, we are using a really multitasking linux! Google's phone has almost twice of both things.

I'm surprised nobody has said this yet... You need to educate yourself about the differences between OMAP-3 and Snapdragon.

Just because a number is higher doesn't mean it's better... I hear there's some amps for sale that go "up to 11" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Up_to_eleven) that may interest you..

And as has already been pointed out.. 256 RAM + 768 SWAP... and with 32GB onboard storage + SD expansion it holds more data and has more virtual memory than any other phone I believe.

Of course.. it's not perfect.. and yes - from what I've read, quite a few "normal" phone features are missing... but all of these were well known for quite some time now..

ETA: Damnit! mrojas beat me while I was typing!

[twigleaf1976]

Calm down folks. The N900 is not yet the perfect phone, BUT it is perfect for hacking! Imagine the N900 being perfect from the start. How boring would that be?



Actually as one of those that wanted a phone that works and paid £486 for the privilage of a Beta product. I would like boring, I would like boring very much. I know or hope you were tongue in cheek with your comments but I would like boring, I really would. :)

I left the tried and tested, working safe and reliable world of HTC to embrace linux on a phone because I use Linux on the desktop and laptop. I expected teething issues, but basic common approaches that every other phone in Nokia's catalogue and every other smartphone offers, have been left off this device.

The newest bugbear I have (I read your post and considered the MMS issue, but I am trying to ignore that feature being missed) is the new "feature". I watch a .avi file on my N900. I plug it into computer to sync some files, copy stuff over as a flash drive not the PC suite. I finish. the .AVi file is now an "unsupported format" I therefore need to do a hard reboot to watch the same .avi file. Or indeed play music, look at pictures etc.

If a working decent usable phone, that is value for money is boring. Please, I like boring. I REALLY want boring.

Its more lazy than boring, Nokia took the step to embrace the development community to do their basic work for them. Unlike apple that had a basic phone that worked and expansions were done by the development community. Nokia has rushed out for christmas a laggy, badly thought out expensive techy gadget and then hope the community will fill in the holes to make it compete with Apple.

I like it, I do. But it isn't a phone (Volume of the phone, the contacts ringtones and notifications issue), it isn't a communicating device (rubbish keyboard ergonomics, SMS support, issues with calendars, message and email filing,) It isn't a computer (true syncing and using files on it at the same time, .txt and .rtf file support as standard.) It isn't a media player. (.avi support after being plugged in to a PC, when loading a file it says cannot connect to server) It isn't portable business tool (Battery drain is appalling because of WLAN and wifi shut off being manual and the default dial in every ten minutes means unless you are clued up you don't know it is connected. My system is hitting 100% battery usage every time I plug in Pc and then for 20 minutes afterwards, no idea why, only it slows down and won't respond till I do a hard reboot or wait.)

Anyway I fuly expect those that like it to flame me for this.

[mrojas]

Not being "boring" is a feature (with all that it implies).

"Maemo is rough on the edges. It is a bit dangerous. It is open to experiments. It is about community involvement. I want these to stay."

http://jaaksi.blogspot.com/

[colnago]

...But it isn't a phone (Volume of the phone...

You're not the only one who thinks the 900 could benefit from a decent bump in volume for both the earpiece, and speaker, for calls.

[Jack6428]

Have you finished your rant already? The N900 is the best so called "phone" out there, period. Some little bugs won't stop it. If you don't like it, then you either don't know what you have bought or you don't understand it. It's not a phone damn it!

[dhcmega]

You could configure "Nicknames" for your favorite contacts, then sort your contacts by "Nicknames"




You can use the "Letter shortcuts" to "jump" to a given section of your contacts list...no need to open keyboard.




Maybe this is by design, to allow for minor angle changes when handling the phone, so as not to change the layout. Some people may perfer this..




Really? It was my understanding that the device has "up to" 1GB of "RAM":

http://www.nokiausa.com/find-products/phones/nokia-n900/specifications

Memory
Up to 32 GB internal storage
microSD memory card extension, hotswappable, up to 16 GB* (sold separately)
Total available application memory up to 1 GB (256 MB RAM, 768 MB virtual memory)




How many new devices, be it a "smartphone", or "PC", etc, have large amounts of apps on its release date? How many were developed by the company creating the OS vs. 3rd party vendors?

I understand that you may want to provide some negative comments on a device that you were dissapointed with, which may or may not be issues for other users (none of your comments are concerns of mine), but at least try to make your posts "accurate", or "balanced" at the very least.


Ok, Taken. I tried, that is why said good things as camera, etc.
Eventhough there are workarounds, I don´t think that is the real solution.
SWAP memory is very slow memory compared to RAM.

[dhcmega]

Have you finished your rant already? The N900 is the best so called "phone" out there, period. Some little bugs won't stop it. If you don't like it, then you either don't know what you have bought or you don't understand it. It's not a phone damn it!

Yes and No. Should I go around with my good old N95+N900 then? Maybe I am wrong pretending that the N900 fullfill both needs.

[TooMuchMoney]

n900 wasn't for me either. Sold it

I prefered the Touch HD, N95 8GB, E71 etc.

Getting a HTC HD2.

N900 is good for super geeks and developers but not for your average geek. lol

[craftyguy]

Have you finished your rant already? The N900 is the best so called "phone" out there, period. ...

Actually you are incorrect. As any sympathizer for this device will prove, the second someone brings up a 'phone' shortcoming, the device is "not a phone! it's a tablet that happens to support some phone features!!!"

[toto29820]

i think 600Mhz is enough, even Vista only needs 800.

[dhcmega]

Actually you are incorrect. As any sympathizer for this device will prove, the second someone brings up a 'phone' shortcoming, the device is "not a phone! it's a tablet that happens to support some phone features!!!"

If "not a phone! it's a tablet that happens to support some phone features", then those "phone features" are poorly implemented. Again IMO.

[craftyguy]

If "not a phone! it's a tablet that happens to support some phone features", then those "phone features" are poorly implemented. Again IMO.

And I totally agree with you.

[colnago]

Ok, Taken. I tried, that is why said good things as camera, etc.
Eventhough there are workarounds, I don´t think that is the real solution.
SWAP memory is very slow memory compared to RAM.

Fair enough, but your negative comments were either incorrect, or lacking merrit. To say that the device has "no method" of performing a task, or "is completely missing a given functionality", when there are viable solutions, is misleading.

As far as "SWAP memory being slow", what are the "real world" issues experienced with "slowness"? Compared to what phone is the 900 "slow", in daily use? What other "smartphone" can run upwards of 30 apps at once? How many other phones best the 900 in speed and performance with various tasks?

Again, if you're saying:

For those how wonder why a cry here instead of the church, it is because other people like me, could read the other side of the story and no only those happy reviews. .

...then try not to skew the results when doing so. Try to be more thourough in your analysis.

[fatalsaint]

If "not a phone! it's a tablet that happens to support some phone features", then those "phone features" are poorly implemented. Again IMO.

Well.. to be fair - the only two (three?) complaints I saw of yours that could be considered "poorly implemented" is you don't like the way SMS works (some people do, this is personal preference), You don't find an easy way to navigate contacts (which, with keyboard I think you can just start typing, without I think there is shortcuts... but you obviously don't like these methods which again, is personal preference and you have that right, and you even say "IMO"), and a lagging screen when rotating.

Everything else you mentioned are features that were not added, and are covered under the fact that "some phone features" does not mean all phone features were added. For example:

MMS, USSD, Favorites, APN's, separate ring-tones per contact.. etc.

Those features were simply not added.. and thus cannot be said to be "poorly" implemented. That is why people argue that to look at the N900 as a "phone" is prone to failure because it does not come with what has become the "norm" for "smart phones".

The N900 does many things the iPhone and Android do not do... and the iPhone and Android do things the N900 does not. The latter are mostly phone features, and apps. The former are mostly more PC related functionality.

Thus, to look at this as a Linux device that makes phone calls will get you more accurate than looking at this as a Phone that runs Linux. Both are technically accurate, but the latter implies certain things to most people that the former would not - and creates a lot of the complaints we see around here.

[craftyguy]

...
MMS, USSD, Favorites, APN's, separate ring-tones per contact.. etc.

Missing USSD support being a HUGE oversight by the largest PHONE manufacturer in the world...

My cell phone from 2001 (yes, 9 years ago) supports USSD "out of the box". It's a 'feature' you EXPECT from any phone in the market these days, and Nokia gave NO indication that support for it was missing in their marketing campaign (again, assuming that the majority of N900 customers do NOT frequent these developer-oriented forums..)

[fatalsaint]

Missing USSD support being a HUGE oversight by the largest PHONE manufacturer in the world...

My cell phone from 2001 (yes, 9 years ago) supports USSD "out of the box". It's a 'feature' you EXPECT from any phone in the market these days, and Nokia gave NO indication that support for it was missing in their marketing campaign (again, assuming that the majority of N900 customers do NOT frequent these developer-oriented forums..)

Something completely lacking still does not mean it was poorly implemented. It simply wasn't implemented.

I have no idea what USSD is and have never used it.. granted I can google and just learned but still - no need for it.

So.. while I can understand people were surprised that something was missing.. doesn't mean it was poorly implemented or even promised anywhere by Nokia that it *was* there. You made an assumption about it.. granted: A rightful assumption, since even Wikipedia seems to think Unstructured Supplementary Service Data is a capability of all GSM phones. ('http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unstructured_Supplementary_Service_Data').. but the fact remains: No where does it say that the N900 *does* support it.. and it's completely lacking - not "poorly" implemented.

And as far as this being a developer forum... I doubt that. I am pretty sure at this point we have more "users" than "developers" on this forum right now..

[dhcmega]

Fair enough, but your negative comments were either incorrect, or lacking merrit. To say that the device has "no method" of performing a task, or "is completely missing a given functionality", when there are viable solutions, is misleading.

As far as "SWAP memory being slow", what are the "real world" issues experienced with "slowness"? Compared to what phone is the 900 "slow", in daily use? What other "smartphone" can run upwards of 30 apps at once? How many other phones best the 900 in speed and performance with various tasks?

Again, if you're saying:



...then try not to skew the results when doing so. Try to be more thourough in your analysis.


Ok ok, I accept it was a little pushed by emotions.
I know that many of the missing features are covered with apps in extras and devel (which I of course, have instaled, eventhough not all of them are optified)
I have also said that the fact that depend on good coders will is not a real solution. I think that Nokia should and must provide all the apps needed. At the release moment or later at least.
I don´t recall to see other smartphone doing 30 apps at the same time. But we agreed that the N900 is not a smartphone but a portable computer or internet table.
But I have seen a few times an uptime claiming 7 or more load average.

Regardless of my disappoint in many aspects I am truly happy with an open source phone being released.

[fatalsaint]

I have also said that the fact that depend on good coders will is not a real solution. I think that Nokia should and must provide all the apps needed. At the release moment or later at least.

I'm a little confused by this... "Google" does not 'provide' all of the apps in the Android Market... third party developers and coders do it..

And very few people I would imagine don't install at least something from the App market to increase the functionality of their phone?

So what exactly is the cut and dry line between what Google and Nokia should provide.. and what it's ok for Non-Google or Non-Nokia developers to provide?

I mean.. if the functionality is obtainable from somewhere... then the "phone" can do it...

[xxMurdakillxx]

Apple: Had an iphone when it first released not much avalible...it wasnt until the second version of the phone until we could add things and major bugs worked out. This is normal.

Android: I dont remember many apps coming out until atleast six months into the platforms launch but still after a couple updates and a little time Android became stable enough to compete with other mobile phone operating systems. Then once the platform started rolling google introduced many first party apps other than the included gmail, maps, and browser.

Maemo: Many like to argue that there are many apps that can be ported over to the n900 which in my opinion still takes time but given the fact that previous operating systems have taken months to introduce apps and Maemo 5 still quite new it wont be long before we start seeing a boost in apps and bug fixes especiallu when some simply require expert optimizations.

Why so greedy? and who said that?: Many people speculate things simply because Nokia doesnt directly tell us thier plans. Not to point out any particulars but how many times have we heard someone say, "well it doesnt support this"...yeah at the moment...is it impossible? Not at all...matter fact this is the last phone I would say an app or well written code couldnt do...just being honest. Anything this phone is incapable of doing quite obvious before purchase(ex. At&t 3g). Other than that if you made it to these forums to complain....you should have made it to these forums before you ordered or bought the phone.

!!!! One first party update last month: This is what gets me the most. This phone has only been updated once...many of us couldnt get our hands on the phone till around December of you had it longer great. If you really want to decide on the n900 i suggest we give the phone atleast 2 updates from Nokia.

[dhcmega]

Something completely lacking still does not mean it was poorly implemented. It simply wasn't implemented.

I have no idea what USSD is and have never used it.. granted I can google and just learned but still - no need for it.

So.. while I can understand people were surprised that something was missing.. doesn't mean it was poorly implemented or even promised anywhere by Nokia that it *was* there. You made an assumption about it.. granted: A rightful assumption, since even Wikipedia seems to think Unstructured Supplementary Service Data is a capability of all GSM phones. ('http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unstructured_Supplementary_Service_Data').. but the fact remains: No where does it say that the N900 *does* support it.. and it's completely lacking - not "poorly" implemented.

And as far as this being a developer forum... I doubt that. I am pretty sure at this point we have more "users" than "developers" on this forum right now..


Yes, I have assumed that this device will cover my cell phone needs, as the N95 mostly did.

[solpete]

I have had this phone now for almost a month. I couldnt be much happier with it. Its the best phone/computer combo on the market imo!

[dhcmega]

I'm a little confused by this... "Google" does not 'provide' all of the apps in the Android Market... third party developers and coders do it..

And very few people I would imagine don't install at least something from the App market to increase the functionality of their phone?

So what exactly is the cut and dry line between what Google and Nokia should provide.. and what it's ok for Non-Google or Non-Nokia developers to provide?

I mean.. if the functionality is obtainable from somewhere... then the "phone" can do it...


Yes, but If coders loose interest, then you have nothing. I find great that people could participate and create super power full apps (or port them, like midnight commader) but a company can not say "Ok, here is my new device, it has no MMS support, but be calm, someone while do it and will put it in extras-devel, you can beta test it any time you want. Have fun".

[colnago]

...I think that Nokia should and must provide all the apps needed. At the release moment or later at least.
I don´t recall to see other smartphone doing 30 apps at the same time. ...Regardless of my disappoint in many aspects I am truly happy with an open source phone being released.

As stated, its usually not the case where the company that produces the phone, produces the majority of the apps it uses. Whether there are missing features "that you would like to see", which should be implemented by Nokia, well, that's between you and Nokia.

As far as running multiple apps, and slowing the n900, there is this video, and several others:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7emvUBpEkbU


Sorry that you're dissapointed. I was hard pressed to find a device, with the 900's form factor, which has as much, or more "functionality", despite its lack of "features".

[dhcmega]

Apple: Had an iphone when it first released not much avalible...it wasnt until the second version of the phone until we could add things and major bugs worked out. This is normal.

Android: I dont remember many apps coming out until atleast six months into the platforms launch but still after a couple updates and a little time Android became stable enough to compete with other mobile phone operating systems. Then once the platform started rolling google introduced many first party apps other than the included gmail, maps, and browser.

Maemo: Many like to argue that there are many apps that can be ported over to the n900 which in my opinion still takes time but given the fact that previous operating systems have taken months to introduce apps and Maemo 5 still quite new it wont be long before we start seeing a boost in apps and bug fixes especiallu when some simply require expert optimizations.

Why so greedy? and who said that?: Many people speculate things simply because Nokia doesnt directly tell us thier plans. Not to point out any particulars but how many times have we heard someone say, "well it doesnt support this"...yeah at the moment...is it impossible? Not at all...matter fact this is the last phone I would say an app or well written code couldnt do...just being honest. Anything this phone is incapable of doing quite obvious before purchase(ex. At&t 3g). Other than that if you made it to these forums to complain....you should have made it to these forums before you ordered or bought the phone.

!!!! One first party update last month: This is what gets me the most. This phone has only been updated once...many of us couldnt get our hands on the phone till around December of you had it longer great. If you really want to decide on the n900 i suggest we give the phone atleast 2 updates from Nokia.


I understand what you say, but as a big fun of Nokia (eventhough it may looks like the oposite) I expect no less than what I use to get. This is not the case with Android from a Company with a diferent background from Nokia.
And iPhone have revolutionate the UI of cellphones and with a completly different market target. People that get iPhone is going after a nice UI I guess, I they get it.

[SubCore]

Its more lazy than boring, Nokia took the step to embrace the development community to do their basic work for them. Unlike apple that had a basic phone that worked and expansions were done by the development community. Nokia has rushed out for christmas a laggy, badly thought out expensive techy gadget and then hope the community will fill in the holes to make it compete with Apple.

wtf?

apple doesn't provide basic phone features like MMS, but in the apple world, that's an "expansion"??? come on...

yes, the N900 has it's flaws, but the fact that you CAN change that by writing community supported software is now a bad thing??


apple leaves features out, doesn't give you the ability to fix them, so they are expansions.
nokia leaves features out, gives you full access to the device and it's software components, and they're called "lazy"...


i'm wondering how many of these whiners are on the fruit's payroll...

[wmarone]

What is it with people who buy this device then come here to whine about it instead of just returning it?

[Jack6428]

Yes, I have assumed that this device will cover my cell phone needs, as the N95 mostly did.

Then why did you buy it? It's clearly your own fault then. Or do you always buy expensive things you don't know anything or very little about? Maybe Nokia should sell the N900 with a huge stamp tagged "NO MMS and Sim Toolkit", so that guys like you won't have to rant all day long and bother others. You clearly don't understand how special the N900 is.

[planetf1]

I'm delighted by the N900, but did research beforehand to decide what device I wanted.

I actually don't use my "phone" to make many calls - it's mostly data - web browsing, IM, some VoIP calls, some music/internet radio, photos, gps tracking,and I'm quite experienced on linux. I also expect to be able to identify/debug/report problems but don't like to "follow the crowd". I'm also an opensource fan.

So nothing met that requirement like the n900. Both the iPhone, and IMO Nexus One are really good phones and I did seriously consider the N1, but it's just not in the same league **FOR MY USAGE**

[dhcmega]

wtf?

apple doesn't provide basic phone features like MMS, but in the apple world, that's an "expansion"??? come on...

yes, the N900 has it's flaws, but the fact that you CAN change that by writing community supported software is now a bad thing??


apple leaves features out, doesn't give you the ability to fix them, so they are expansions.
nokia leaves features out, gives you full access to the device and it's software components, and they're called "lazy"...


i'm wondering how many of these whiners are on the fruit's payroll...


That is why I am a Nokia´s fun and not an iPhone´s fun.
I don´t even like iPhones.
The fact that maemo is open source is great news (I work with ubuntu and debian, so I like open source software) and being Nokia the one that it is using it it´s even better.
But the fact that it is open source does not mean that responsability of developing these missing things should be on everybody else.

[SubCore]

But the fact that it is open source does not mean that responsability of developing these missing things should be on everybody else.

of course not.

but leaving features out has nothing to do with nokia or open source. when you build a device and accompanying software, you have to make compromises. everyone does.

what makes me angry are double standards like the one i quoted. i can't for the life of me figure out how nokia are "lazy", but apple are not, when leaving out features.

[dhcmega]

Then why did you buy it? It's clearly your own fault then. Or do you always buy expensive things you don't know anything or very little about? Maybe Nokia should sell the N900 with a huge stamp tagged "NO MMS and Sim Toolkit", so that guys like you won't have to rant all day long and bother others. You clearly don't understand how special the N900 is.

A friend of mine bought to me by mistake. Eventhough it is still my problem. I don´t use to buy something expensive without doing proper research.
A few weeks before I received it, I have searched google with things like "N900 gps problem" or "N900 firmware changelog" but nothing serious came out. Of course I never googled for MMS and stuff because I wrongly assumed will be supported.

[fatalsaint]

A friend of mine bought to me by mistake. Eventhough it is still my problem. I don´t use to buy something expensive without doing proper research.
A few weeks before I received it, I have searched google with things like "N900 gps problem" or "N900 firmware changelog" but nothing serious came out. Of course I never googled for MMS and stuff because I wrongly assumed will be supported.

wait... so you actually got the N900 for free? ...

Man... I want friends like yours.

[slender]

I´m just thinking here that why would you guys with problem with this device make list of things that should be included out of box on this device. And it would also be nice if there was link to device that has it out of box so do not put applications that you can buy from store. It would be at least useful. Now all these threads are just useless.

It would also be great for people who are comparing this device to other devices. As chart what happens to be missing and what you think should be standard.

Here is start missing only links to other devices that have these and should be so called de facto:

- MMS
- Provisioning (Exchange 2003,2007)
- Voice control
- More profiles
- Contacts with different ringtones
....etc.

Use for example wiki here.

[dhcmega]

wait... so you actually got the N900 for free? ...

Man... I want friends like yours.

jajajaj no! I have asked him to investigate prices and he just bought it, I have paid 653dls for it.

[abubakar]

...... You sound like an experienced user who knows what you want, so don't tell me you bought a quite expensive gadget without ......

no i dont think he is experienced, the way he compared cpu cycles and called nexus a double of n900.

[dhcmega]

no i dont think he is experienced, the way he compared cpu cycles and called nexus a double of n900.

I don´t know how experienced I am, but I do know that cpu speed of different architecture should not be compared straight forward. Even compatibles ones as Intel and AMD.
But 1000 to 600 is a big difference any way and I found my self with a high load avg of 7, meaning a lack of proccess power.

[dhcmega]

I have red some comments like this:

Speed: Nexus One wins. Both are very fast phones and the Nokia N900's 600MHz Cortex A8 CPU with GPU is no slouch. But run 6 heavy programs at once and the N900 sometimes slows a bit while the Nexus One's 1 GHz Snapdron CPU keeps on truckin'.

[fatalsaint]

Speed: Nexus One wins. Both are very fast phones and the Nokia N900's 600MHz Cortex A8 CPU with GPU is no slouch. But run 6 heavy programs at once and the N900 sometimes slows a bit while the Nexus One's 1 GHz Snapdron CPU keeps on truckin'.

Well 2 things:

1) "Heavy CPU" is subjective.. and there's no real way to get exact same "heavy" apps on both phones. So the "heavy" apps on N900 could be more demanding than the Android or vice versa...

2) Android stops letting you multi-task past those 6... whereas the N900 will allow to continue going.. and going.. and going....

And the comment as a whole is entirely subjective - based on POV of that user. I'm quite sure we could dig up comments from other reviewers that the N900 continues running smooth where android trudges because they ran a different set of apps and/or just noticed things differently.

Suffice to say... CPU-wise: Both are perfectly adequate for what they do.

[dhcmega]

Ok, thanks for your explanation. I have never used the Nexus so I only have what I get from Internet.

[Tupss]

The phone sucks seriously.. I had it... defended it... but come guys its a fckng nerd phone let them nerds be happy with this... happy with my iPhone 3gs jailbroken.......!!!! ovi maps ? nahhh thank you free tomtom or navigon download.. resisetive crappy screen ?? nahh multitouch flawlessness.. complicated OS ? fat phone ? nahh sleek sexy simpel iPhone. oh and ZERO exciting apps...

[Whitedeath]

Tupss you are not right to speak this things about n900 and i have Iphone and what i gifted ti my cousin go to ..................

[Whitedeath]

wow man i think that the aplle comunity is so angy and envy about n900 and came here to posts ********

[Whitedeath]

really i dont post ******** in the apple happy comunity how the iphone sucks am i?

[Tupss]

One guy 3 hate messages to the iPhone ???.. Listen.. I've had the n900 its not for the casual user. You really need to be a Geek to understand this phone.. Thats why the phone will never sell as much like the n95 which I also have.. the n95 is still better than the n900. the iPhone is just perfect once you jailbreak it.. Face it!!!! Me to kept defending this phone but it failed...

[wmarone]

The trolls come marching in and this thread slowly, slowly dies...

[Modell900]

Another post for the Whine cellar...

What is wrong with you posting ANOTHER totally useless posts like this?
Stop sobbing and sell the damn phone and buy something that would meet your needs better *sigh.

Seriously, the phone hasn´t been out for lets say just over 2 months worldwide and all you miserable posters nagging and whine about feeling tricked or cheated in some way or the other is a mystery.

It sure beats my old N95 in every possible way, and the N81/82/85/86 and 20 phones of various brands (mostly Nokia) I have had for the last 10 years or so.
Don´t know how old you are but back in the days when the iphone came out I got my hands on one in Newyork and well, lets just say I wasn´t impressed with the right-out-of-the-box functionality it had to offer. it was probably the most useless phone ever (you get tired pretty quick playing the pinch game with you crappy photos...)

Look at it today, one of the top sellers with a ton of gadgets BUT thats THREE years after initial release, you are nagging and crying about a phone thats not even been out in the stores for THREE months.

Some phones been utter crap right out of the box up till they gave up some just broke down, some messy OS that were REALLY buggy.
I either returned it, sold it or put in a drawer but never cried like a baby like you people.

So sell your phone, should be pretty easy since Nokia can´t deliver fast enough as it is at this point since they miscalculated the huge demand worldwide.

Goodluck :)

(Although i suspect your a troll)

[Tupss]

So nice.. people expressing there hearts for something this shitty.. u a geek be happy with your phone.. Im in this thread cus I agree with the topic. u dont agree ? what are you doing here go brainstorm or something dont let this get to your hearts... Good night :) coming from a so called throll :rolleyes: by the geeks..

[danramos]

Maybe he was hoping for some more positive news regarding his issues with the N900 instead of being told to shove off and go buy something else? He did point out that he's been faithful to the brand and feels disappointed by the current offerings.

[wmarone]

I propose this thread for locking. It has ceased (or never really did) contributing positively to this forums and has regressed to basically a crapflood.

[danramos]

I propose this thread for locking. It has ceased (or never really did) contributing positively to this forums and has regressed to basically a crapflood.

How about proposing some solutions to his complaints? Particularly the software complaints, since software is something that can be improved in an already-released product, rather than squelching the conversation about it. Just a thought to help progress things instead of censoring complaints.

Admittedly, though, there are MANY posts here which are not helping the discussion in any way.

[wmarone]

Fine, list them up and we can look at them elsewhere. -THIS thread-, much like the one from yesterday, has ceased being useful.

[slartibart]

I propose this thread for locking. It has ceased (or never really did) contributing positively to this forums and has regressed to basically a crapflood.

Do you think it's brilliant posts like:


The trolls come marching in and this thread slowly, slowly dies...


and


What is it with people who buy this device then come here to whine about it instead of just returning it?

that turned it into a 'crapflood'?

Those weren't even clips out of larger posts..that was the entire content in two of your 'posts' here. Maybe think twice before calling someone else a troll?

[wmarone]

Those weren't even clips out of larger posts..that was the entire content in two of your 'posts' here. Maybe think twice before calling someone else a troll?
The second comment was regarding the arrival of Guber99 who has no real business hanging around, as he has apparently returned his N900 in exchange for an iPhone.

My first was basically regarding the spate of threads that start out with rather grating titles. Then they proceed bring up issues that are not unheard of, or are known issues, or are things that are Nokia's responsibility. Hell the 6th post in the thread -finished it-. We know the issues. We've heard them before. Harping on them again and again and again will not help speed things along.

A few moments with the search button, or just browsing the forum for a bit, would tell people this.

[mullf]

Sweet Jesus, ANOTHER one of these threads. For ****s sake mods could we please just get one "Whine about n900/convince me I am wrong/General attention whore" thread created and these things merged into it. This type of thread pops up 3 times a farking day or more. Do we really need a new thread every single time some tosser decides he no longer wants the phone?

I don't create a new thread every day I wake up and decide to keep it.

If no one would reply, the threads would just die. Fact is, they have an audience on this board.

[Guber99]

I have to agree with you. It appears N95 was the latest decent Nokia device. It really, really makes me boil when I realize Nokia is outsourcing its beta-testing to paying customers like you and me. Never would have thought such from a company as big as Nokia.

Bingo! Well said

[Texrat]

And I don´t like Nokia delegating some features on coders good will.

You have a philosophical problem with that concept, I'm guessing. Okay, that's your right.

But it's also the right of others to be perfectly happy with providing that goodwill. So if you are unsatisfied and wish to look elsewhere for a device to meet your particular needs, I wish you sincere success. But please don't begrudge those who don't mind the pitfalls of early adoption and the responsibility of community coding.

EDIT: I don't get a sense of malicious intent from your posts, and I appreciate that.

[buxz777]

well i love my n900

it was clearly known what the device was going to be , waht features were missing , what to expect

iam not dissapointed with it , build qaultiy on mine is good (touch wood) , hardware is nice , everything works , no reboots , nice features , evolving everyday , 6 new apps have made it to extras today

yeah there are things i would like it to do better but i defo knew what to expect when i bought it and didnt expect anything for granted as it was clearly a new device with a new o/s

even the mighty iphone took ages to implement mms users here have it up and running in a matter of weeks/months which was alot quicker then apple could manage with all their money etc

everything i own , my car , my stereo , my house , my tv , i could say ''but yeah if it done that'' or ''it should do this that one does'' but id rather enjoy my purchase rather then grumble about it

the last device that made me moan was the n97 due to gps and camera i got a brand new replacement and sold it and bought the omnia hd

if you hate it go back to a more original phone or one that suits your tastes better

big shout to the forum for helping/supporting the n900 with all the apps guides etc really appreciated and making my n900 expereince even better

peace peeps :-)

[Guber99]

The second comment was regarding the arrival of Guber99 who has no real business hanging around, as he has apparently returned his N900 in exchange for an iPhone.

My first was basically regarding the spate of threads that start out with rather grating titles. Then they proceed bring up issues that are not unheard of, or are known issues, or are things that are Nokia's responsibility. Hell the 6th post in the thread -finished it-. We know the issues. We've heard them before. Harping on them again and again and again will not help speed things along.

A few moments with the search button, or just browsing the forum for a bit, would tell people this.

i still got my N900 and I am typing on it now. unfortunatelly cant use it during the day due to pathetic email client.......hence my use of apple a device that delivers what it promises.......

[Guber99]

The second comment was regarding the arrival of Guber99 who has no real business hanging around, as he has apparently returned his N900 in exchange for an iPhone.

My first was basically regarding the spate of threads that start out with rather grating titles. Then they proceed bring up issues that are not unheard of, or are known issues, or are things that are Nokia's responsibility. Hell the 6th post in the thread -finished it-. We know the issues. We've heard them before. Harping on them again and again and again will not help speed things along.

A few moments with the search button, or just browsing the forum for a bit, would tell people this.
as more people buy this device and look for answers to same uncorrected problems you will get threads that raise same issues over and over again.........and how will these threads disappear: simply by having NOKIA DELIVER AND FIX ALL THE BUGS ! UNTIL THEN YOU WILL BE GETTING SAME POSTS OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN!

[abubakar]

How about proposing some solutions to his complaints? Particularly the software complaints, since software is something that can be improved in an already-released product, rather than squelching the conversation about it. Just a thought to help progress things instead of censoring complaints.

Admittedly, though, there are MANY posts here which are not helping the discussion in any way.


have u been reading these forums? I dont know if anything is going to get solved by proposing solutions for majority of the people who have been complainig .. a) the first phone with maemo, b) ,they were spending ~600$ on it; these 2 facts alone demands doing research ... this cell phone is not going to become what it is not in the next few months so no one can promise or propose anything like that. The *problems* that are there, most of them are here to stay on n900 because they really are not problems, they are perspectives.

n900 is a different kind of device, i am sorry for people for whome it came as a shock. They should now learn something from it. There are people, like me, for whome this device is superb. I dont drop $600 on anything easily, i did so much research when i had to spend $250 on nvidias's gtx 260 you have no idea (i could list and compare all the good graphics cards out there in detail). When it came to N900, $600 ws like a huge investment into the future whose returns were guaranteed (i was although worried that I may not get a defected unit bcuz i had read the forums alot). 2 months and it has exceeded my expectations. You have to also understand this that when I express my positive thoughts about n900 I do not at all mean thats its flawless, I do wish everyday that the battery life was 3 times more than it is. For me the good things exceed the bad so i dont come running to forums with "do u regret", "i hate this i hate that" posts.

hope this helps ....

[crsnwby]

i still got my N900 and I am typing on it now. unfortunatelly cant use it during the day due to pathetic email client.......hence my use of apple a device that delivers what it promises.......

Mugged off.... No returns...

[Enyibinakata]

i still got my N900 and I am typing on it now. unfortunatelly cant use it during the day due to pathetic email client.......hence my use of apple a device that delivers what it promises.......

It also delivers on keeping you confined to its jail. Sweet opression - gotta love it.

[whc]

Came from N97 two, after a few firmware updated it was a great phone imo, sometimes a little slow yes, but expected with the smaller cpu.

N900 is imo the best mobile computer phone out there (call it smartphone if you like), all the os out there has shortcomings when they come out, but with time these will be sorted out. Better to get a functional phone, than allot of functions that does not work right.

Speed is fine two, can handle multiple multitasking, without really slowing down much, and if you are used to the internet tablets, you can really feel the extra power here.

Enjoy your phone, and be patient, all features will come in the future,

[dhcmega]

have u been reading these forums? I dont know if anything is going to get solved by proposing solutions for majority of the people who have been complainig .. a) the first phone with maemo, b) ,they were spending ~600$ on it; these 2 facts alone demands doing research ... this cell phone is not going to become what it is not in the next few months so no one can promise or propose anything like that. The *problems* that are there, most of them are here to stay on n900 because they really are not problems, they are perspectives.

n900 is a different kind of device, i am sorry for people for whome it came as a shock. They should now learn something from it. There are people, like me, for whome this device is superb. I dont drop $600 on anything easily, i did so much research when i had to spend $250 on nvidias's gtx 260 you have no idea (i could list and compare all the good graphics cards out there in detail). When it came to N900, $600 ws like a huge investment into the future whose returns were guaranteed (i was although worried that I may not get a defected unit bcuz i had read the forums alot). 2 months and it has exceeded my expectations. You have to also understand this that when I express my positive thoughts about n900 I do not at all mean thats its flawless, I do wish everyday that the battery life was 3 times more than it is. For me the good things exceed the bad so i dont come running to forums with "do u regret", "i hate this i hate that" posts.

hope this helps ....

Hi abubakar
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, I will think about it.

[dhcmega]

Came from N97 two, after a few firmware updated it was a great phone imo, sometimes a little slow yes, but expected with the smaller cpu.

N900 is imo the best mobile computer phone out there (call it smartphone if you like), all the os out there has shortcomings when they come out, but with time these will be sorted out. Better to get a functional phone, than allot of functions that does not work right.

Speed is fine two, can handle multiple multitasking, without really slowing down much, and if you are used to the internet tablets, you can really feel the extra power here.

Enjoy your phone, and be patient, all features will come in the future,

Ok, thank you very much for your words.
At first I thought that what I got is what I will get, and that I can only rely in good will coders.
I will wait a few months and spend a little time posting brainstorms or ideas.
Regards.