Who's still around and interested in N800/N810? [Archive] - maemo.org

Stskeeps

02-14-2010, 01:47 PM

Since there still seems to be some representation of N800 and N810 users on the forums as they haven't been scared away completely by the horde of N900 users..

I'm personally wondering what you would like to see happen on OS and community side for your devices. If you're still interested in contributing or just hoping for things to happen, please pitch in, let everyone know you are still here and let's see what projects we can start up.

Please use this form:

* I have a (N800 or N810 or N810W)

* I'm interested to see and use (fill in) on my device

* I'm willing to contribute with (finish the sentence)

* If (fill in) would happen, I would then be able to do (fill in)

For me personally:

* I have a N800 and a N810
* I'm interested to see the community SSU happening and Qt4.6 on my N800 & N810.
* I'm willing to contribute with (rather, I have to): Mer which is much closer in nature to Maemo5 architecture and has a lo-fi desktop and other things I can do as distmaster.
* If this would happen, I would hope we can get permission to recompile some closed source parts of Maemo5 and get it on our N8x0's.

fatalsaint

02-14-2010, 02:09 PM

I have an N810
I also would like to see Mer fully functional
I'm willing to contribute however I'm needed. I can code, test, cross-compile, whatever.
Hopefully, Mer can be done in such a way that newer N900 apps could be run on these older devices with a simple re-compile (due to CPU, no way around this I don't think.) -- Maybe, one day, we might be able to automate something to traverse the Fremantle/Hermattan repo's and automatically cross-compile software for mer... I know - I'm dreaming :D

I personally plan to be upgrading to an N900.. so it won't benefit me too terribly... but I am more than willing to help if I'm needed keep these devices useful for their Fans.

cpfl

02-14-2010, 02:11 PM

Definately! There is plenty of life in the old dog yet. :-)

* I have an N800.

* I'm interested to see and use the community SSU and accelerated graphics drivers on my device.

* I'm willing to contribute in any way I am able, which may be very limited.

* I want to keep the N8x0 platform alive for as long as possible.

hordeman

02-14-2010, 02:24 PM

Please use this form:

* I have an N810

* I'm interested to see a fully functional version of Mer running on it which would undoubtably add YEEEAAAARSSSS of life to the device

* I'm willing to contribute with testing Mer (when it can co-exist with Diablo)

* If this could would happen, I would then be able to do this as soon as I'm able to

Also, I would like to point you to this thread to show that we N800/ N810 owners are alive and well on this board and have not been scared off: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=44285

wdehoog

02-14-2010, 02:27 PM

* I have an N800
* I am interested in mer and more games
* I would like to help with this mer thing but I fear the time needed to get up to speed with it is too much for me

Thesandlord

02-14-2010, 02:34 PM

* I have a N810

* I'm interested to see and use everything possible on my device

* I'm willing to contribute with testing (Android or Mer)

* If Mer would happen, I would then be able to do run n900 apps!

gazza_d

02-14-2010, 03:02 PM

I have an N810 and an N800, and a 770 in a drawer.

I am interested in seeing the community SSU released, also to see Mer bring added value to the N8x0s in terms of new and improved apps and features such as improved A2DP, and AVRCP etc., not to mention a/the panaramic desktop.

I would like to see a image app similar to Maemo5's which allows for tagging, editing, and then uploading to sites such as twitter, facebook, picasa, flickr etc. If Nokia permitted, or compiled themselves, the maemo5 app for Maemo4, or Mer, then that would be great. I would also like to see the new media player backported to either Mer or Maemo4.

Also the recent announcement of Wayfinder abandoning the Map app for Maemo4 is very disappointing. It would be cool if the licences could be opened for it. Or for the community to get behind an alternative like Navit. I have a wayfinder licence valid for another year, but am playing with Navit as a possible alternative.

I am willing to assist with testing of said SSU, Mer or anything else. I have been installing the testing builds of mer on my N800 as they have been released, and will happily continue to do so. as I have 2 NITs I can dedicate one for testing and experimentation. also spend a lot of time lurking here so can report back. I could never lay claim to being a coder, but am an avid tinkerer, and could knock up a scratchbox env and compile if required.

So far there does not seem to be a lot that Maemo 5 can currently do which the N8x0s would not be capable of apart from the phone stuff.

I absolutely love the N810, and consider it the highpoint so far of the tablets in terms of hardware . Yes the 900 is faster, and has a phone, but has a smaller screen, and worse physical keyboard. It is a shame, and almost a crime that Nokia did not bring more updates to the platform. the A2DP shows that the tablet can handle it, (better tham my s60 phone which supports it officially). updating of media player, the image app, and IM/email should all have been carried out, and would could keep the N8x0 alive and current for a lot longer.

sorry to go on...

luca

02-14-2010, 03:10 PM

* I have an n800
* I'm interested in a usable mer as a way to tap into the huge debian/ubuntu repository, and as a mean to use some fremantle/qt apps, not interested at all in 3d desktop effects and snazzy animations.
* I can contribute with testing
* I don't have an answer for the last question

elimoon8

02-14-2010, 03:41 PM

* I have a N810.

* I'm interested to see and use a finger-friendly, portrait-style keyboard on my device (so that mobile optimized websites, such as those for the iPod touch could be used).

* I'm willing to contribute with any graphics necessary (for the keyboard keys, icon, etc).

* If Nokia would open up more of the operating system, I would then be able to expect that it would be possible for such a keyboard to exist.

gerbick

02-14-2010, 03:58 PM

Hmm...
I have, I use daily a N810
I'm definitely interested in seeing the life of this product extended be it via community SSU, Mer w/ 3D drivers with Tear as the default browser.
I can offer my services to graphics, but as a Flash/Flex dev mostly, as well as .NET, my ability to help code-wise is limited. I am, however a 17 year user of Photoshop.

mafranklin

02-14-2010, 04:44 PM

I have a N810 WiMAX on Clear's 4G in Chicago

* I'm interested to see WiMAX support in Mer on my device

* I'm interested to see and use (Fully Functional Mer with Accellerometers) or a Fremantle Hacker's Edition (I know not possible, but you asked what I was interested in) on my device

* I'm willing to contribute with testing, detailed feedback,

* If a functional and accelerated Mer would happen, I would then be able use my N810 WiMAX throughout Chicagoland as my computer and mobile phone on Clear's 4G via VOIP, Skype, Fring, etc... (with a back up N97) for those rare occassions I leave the city. The N810 is not robust enough for the multi-tasking I currently do - hence it does not get used.

For me personally:

* I have a N810 WiMAX
* I'm interested to see the community SSU happening and Qt4.6 on my N800 & N810.
* I'm willing to contribute with (rather, I have to): Mer which is much closer in nature to Maemo5 architecture and has a lo-fi desktop and other things I can do as distmaster.
* If this would happen, I would hope we can get permission to recompile some closed source parts of Maemo5 and get it on our N8x0's.

Kroll

02-14-2010, 04:52 PM

* I have a N810

* I'm interested to see and use a lot of great applications wich is optimized for my device. And i really want to have a good OS on my n810 like Mer.

* I'm willing to contribute with testing, because i don't know much in Linux and developing

* If Mer would happen, I would then be able to use some new applications.

Thanks for your work!

geneven

02-14-2010, 05:13 PM

mrlanrat

02-14-2010, 07:15 PM

I have an N810
Im interested in MER becoming the replacement for maemo 4 (without loosing any abilities)
Im willing to contribute time for testing, and some limited programing

Vid

02-14-2010, 07:47 PM

* I have a N810
* I'm interested to see continued application software updates. This could either be for Diablo or Mer, as I'm more interested in the applications than the underlying OS. Apps that are important to me include pidgin, pidgin-otr, claws-mail, OpenSSH, and a web browser (any of Tear, MicroB, or Fennec/Firefox Mobile would work).
* I'm willing to contribute with application and OS testing, and application maintenance for abandoned ports. Fixing problems with the build environment is more than I can cope with, however.
* If the community SSU would happen, I would then be able to use my N810 forever ;)

Rebski

02-14-2010, 07:56 PM

N800 owner here. I keep an eye on ITT purely for the Competitors information and comments on the technology. Contributors on this forum are among the most knowledgeable and articulate to be found anywhere

My disenchantment with Nokia's support for the Tablet drove me to buy an iPhone and I am never going back. To Nokia that is. The iPhone is all and more that I wanted from the N800 (apart from openness).

So maybe development continues for the N800, so what? I shall still continue to use the iPhone instead.

This is just too much like flogging a horse that has had its day, never fulfilled its potential and now is just too old. A great shame because it could have been a contender.

I think that what really SHOULD happen is that the ITT site should be reestablished for people who are fans of tablets whether from Nokia or not.
Brilliant suggestion.

FRZ

02-14-2010, 08:25 PM

* I have a N810

* I'm interested to see and use a community ssu on my device

* I'm willing to contribute with testing and complain, I mean give feedback.:D

* I am not interested in the small N900 as an internet tablet so I really do hope the community keep the N810 device alive in support until a N820 comes out or something similar.

lancewex

02-14-2010, 08:38 PM

I have an N900 but still have and use an N800. I have used the h*ll out of it, and will be sad if/when it stops working. I hope development of any kind still continues. I must admit I am not sure what this MER/Mer (?) stuff is about. An entirely new OS? I don't get it. Just more applications and more polishing of what is there is all that's needed. But I obviously don't know the big picture.

lma

02-14-2010, 08:57 PM

* I have an N800 and an N810 (and a 770 but that's off topic here I guess)

* I'm interested to see the community SSU happen in the short term and a usable Mer for the long run. Fremantle certainly has some interesting stuff under the hood and some cute bling on top, but it still has a long way to go to achieve feature parity with Diablo. So, for the time being at least Diablo simply suits my needs better and if we can fix some bugs why not?

* I'm willing to contribute with evaluating and packaging patches, testing, etc (if anything comes to mind, just ask).

* If the above would happen, I would then be able to (hardware willing) extend my devices' usability until something better comes along (the N900 ain't it). Or, in the "I would hope" category: get some abandoned Diablo goodies back into Mer/Fremantle.

cbbrowne@gmail.com

02-14-2010, 09:32 PM

Seems of interest...

* I have a N810

* I'm interested to see and use various of the Maemo 5 software on my device

* I'm willing to contribute with ... erm... I'm not quite sure. I tend to be involved with server-side development, not client side.

I suppose it would be keen to get SQLite working well as a storage substrate for applications, along with capability to push/pull data to desktop/server.

I have been watching N900 deployment with interest; I finally saw units "in person" yesterday, and lost some of my would-be enthusiasm, as it's not quite as robust-looking a unit as I'd have hoped. I always worry about fragile phones in pockets...

ForeverNewb

02-14-2010, 09:33 PM

I have an 810 which I use daily. The N900 does not appear a path forward to me.
I would welcome new apps such as PIM, calculator/solver, and graphical geography tools. The Garnet VM is single most critical app to me as I still use a lot of Palm OS apps to provide these functions in absence of Maemo equivalents..
I can contribute to testing.

qole

02-14-2010, 09:55 PM

* I have two well-worn N800s and I wish someone would donate a N810 to me.

* I'm interested to see and use the community SSU on my device, and the GLES 1.1 drivers working. I am also interested in squeezing every last drop of speed out of the 2D video...

* I also would love to see a turnkey file server solution for the N8x0 devices, optimised for easily serving removable media (like USB flash drives) over any kind of network (including ad-hoc).

* I'm willing to contribute with testing and pestering.

* If the file server would happen, I would then be able to serve files on a USB key or portable HD plugged into my N800 to any other device, even ones with no USB support ;)

* I am also interested in some kind of Mer / Maemo 5 release as a desktop / app set of Ubuntu, mainly because it would be nice to have a new kernel and new libraries (and big, maintained repositories) under the system.

Darius2006

02-14-2010, 10:16 PM

only 770 is a real Nokia Internet Tablet
like iPod Touch
any chance for Carman + gps to run on 2008He ?

Laughing Man

02-14-2010, 10:21 PM

fragos

02-14-2010, 10:23 PM

I use an N810 every day for PIM function with the GPE aps, Notecase and Mileage. I was disappointed when the tablet morphed into a phone with a smaller screen and the deletion of important feature to me like the USB host mode. I bought the N810 in part because it isn't a phone that brings control by carriers to fill their pockets and limit the user. Fixed in Frematle is now an excuse for not fixing terrible bugs like the failure to properly support a Bluetooth keyboard. I wanted to use the N810 to draft documents but the keyboard situation has made that use impractical. At this time Mer isn't an answer. I'm not going away nor is my N810 until it finally gives up the ghost. I'm willing to test and have writing skills that can be put to use. My Maemo Mapper HowTo is an example. Being a long time Linux user, I'm not use to seeing hardware abandoned by the development community.

qole

02-15-2010, 12:58 AM

Ok, after my last post about USB host, I had to actually try making my N800 into a USB host for both a 250 GB HD and my N900...

Here's the post (http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=526888&postcount=599) with the details... :D :cool:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4019/4358653534_1f9822d2b7_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/qole2/4358653534/)

u2maemo

02-15-2010, 02:23 AM

* I have an N810 and I use it everyday for surfing the web pdf and ebook reading. And 4.1" screen is great and battery is also excellent.

* I'm waiting for the community SSU and 2D and 3D acceleration driver so I can do more on this magic device.

* I'm willing to contribute all I can include recompiling and testing.

* I will keep the N810 alive and It is my best friend now.

Stskeeps

02-15-2010, 02:26 AM

This is funny. The ITT site is shut down and everything is done but use beaters and dogs to drive away tablet users and then a survey is taken to see if anyone is left.

Sure you won't shoot me if I respond?

My purpose is to see how much of the tablet community is still around and what we can accomplish. I lost track when all the new people came in too :)

icke

02-15-2010, 03:01 AM

Just celebrated my one year membership. I am still using the my n810 for a multitude of purposes. However, family, work and skill constraints limit my ability to contribute. So this post is more directed at saying there're are still dedicated users left.

icke

P.S.: My resolution for February. Assess my notes on feedelity and compile some sort of "test report"

timoph

02-15-2010, 03:09 AM

* I have a N810

* I'm interested to see and use mer on my device

* I'm willing to contribute with mer testing

* If miracles would happen and had more free time, I would then be able to contribute more

Thesandlord

02-15-2010, 03:23 AM

lidow

02-15-2010, 03:37 AM

* I have N810, still trying to use it for everyday tasks.

* I'm waiting for QT and communication programs upgrade. I will appreciate more business/PIM software. So better calendar/address book/contacts/gps/mail/chat well integrated and syncable outside the device.

* I'm willing to contribute, although I'm still too busy to share some time, but I'd like to develop and design the software I need.

* I still give chances to my N810, I like the big screen and hardware keybord. Fabulous hardware, not so shiny software....

attila77

02-15-2010, 03:41 AM

* I have a N810

* I'm interested to see and use a community SSU supporting Qt (4.6 if possible) on my device, and hopefully some Mer on the side :). Also, for non-cloned setup N8x0 users, a /opt mounted loop file (or internal MMC) would be a good approximation of the N900 setup to allow the painless install of more applications.

* I'm willing to contribute with the above, both in terms of coding and testing.

* If the would happen, I would then be able to more easily port things to the N810

Rider

02-15-2010, 07:51 AM

I have a N810.

Use it daily for several hours: browsing, email, ebook (pdf), MP3. Notebook substitute (with BT keyboard) when travelling. It is still more in use than my real computer.

Like to see the community SSU update. Would like TEAR to be a full alternative to the standard browser, but it seems development has ceased there too.

If my N810 got stolen/lost/broken, I don't know how what to buy then. It would not be a N900, for sure.

megaphone

02-15-2010, 08:00 AM

Meego for the N8X0 Series?

Stskeeps

02-15-2010, 08:10 AM

Meego for the N8X0 Series?

I can only say that I think Fremantle can run, with a replaced desktop. I highly doubt Harmattan or Meego, but let's see?

ARJWright

02-15-2010, 08:45 AM

Nice post; worth thinking about:

I have a: N800 (just gave away my N810 this weekend)

I'm interested to see and use:
- mainly audio and car-enhancing features. Occasionally, I just like to play and test, and its now a teaching device for others whom I hope to see more often with their tablets.

I'm willing to contribute with:
- Mer
- educational software (meaning software which helps to create new developers, software for targeted markets like religion, youth/edu, and accessibility)

If the educational software point mentioned above would happen, I would then be able to use the software and community here as an example to the faith and education-based communities that I am around on a more frequent basis. Its not so much that I'm looking for the devices/platform to last, but I'd rather see these devices push towards "enablement" since they are now at a more stable point. Something of keeping with the "tinkerer's mindset" that they were originally developed with, but with the lessons and better tools so that folks could tinker and really develop some neat stuff.

kirangp

02-15-2010, 08:52 AM

After today's announcement regarding Meego the thread title should be changed to "Who's still around and interested in N800/N810/N900?" (joke :P)

N8than

02-15-2010, 08:56 AM

* I have a (N800 or N810 or N810W).....N810

* I'm interested to see and use (fill in) on my device...would like to use it for Geocaching and highway navigation but...if I don't have wireless access where I am at the time I can't get maps for Maemo Mapper and the other program(s) seem to either quit working or there supposedly is not enough room on my 4 gig card for a map of half the USA. Don't not anything about Mer but heard Android isn't worth putting on the N810.

* I'm willing to contribute with (finish the sentence)...not a techy so can't help much

* If (fill in) would happen, I would then be able to do (fill in)...Nokia support for the N800 and N810 .... enjoy using this more than I do. Right now mine is more of a back up battery pack for the wife when we are on the road and her battery in her N810 dies. She uses hers more than I do.

GeraldKo

02-15-2010, 08:59 AM

I have an N800 and an N810, but I prefer and use much more my N800.

I'm off sailing for the next few weeks, so I'll have to wait to answer the rest of stskeeps' questions. But I wanted to raise my hand and shout out: ME AND MY N800 ARE HERE, TOO!

Thanks for asking!

pelago

02-15-2010, 09:02 AM

* I have a N810

* I'm interested to see and use both a community SSU and Mer on my device. I think both are important - community SSU for when I want to "just" have an improved Diablo, and Mer when I'm feeling brave enough to move to Maemo 5 apps.

* I'm willing to contribute with: testing (as long as it is easy! That is, not having to compile from source).

* If Mer would happen, I would then be able to use Maemo 5 apps (I hope).

heavyt

02-15-2010, 09:11 AM

Have a N800 but not used anymore due to the screen constant rolling. So I got a N810 WiMAX, nice replacement.

*I am interested in using mer that has WiMAX

* I'm willing to contribute by testing new apps

I now use my N810 for: Internet Radio (while on the road I can keep up with home news) with the stereo speakers it allows me to listen while not having to carry it around with a headset while in my hotel room.

Log in to my vpn dd-wrt router (while on the road/hotels/airports) with openvpn where I can securely stream my music (flac) from Ampache, surf the net and make voip calls.

DialCentral... what can I say about it, a Swiss Knife of communication tool.

Boingo Mobile unlimited for $8.00 a month world wide makes caring my N810 on the road a no brainier, and Clearwire 4g is icing on the cake!

Den in USA

02-15-2010, 09:31 AM

I am on my second N800, bought my first in 2007.

I use it more than any other electronic device. I presently enjoy testing and reporting bugs in great Diablo apps such as "FlipClock", "Vagalume", "Seqretary PIM (with sound recorder)", "Digia @scene", "Xournal", "Theremin", and :YouAmp".

My only limitation on my N800 is that I would love to see a Diablo version of "iSolo" (not the Palm emulation).

Kroll

02-15-2010, 09:49 AM

I wanna add some:

* If the casual hardware will works fine, I would then be able to print the documents, plug the cellphones, cameras, scanners etc to download the information and files from it.

AndyM

02-15-2010, 12:53 PM

I have an N810.

I use it mostly for web browsing (Tear), but also for watching movies and TV programmes, and listening to music and downloaded radio programmes with MediaBox (I still use my E51 for podcasts, the interface is easier to use), notes with xournal, e-books with FBreader, email with Claws.

I don't really want to move to the N900 because the screen is smaller (I got the N810 because I was finding it more difficult to read the screen on my phone), and it's too big as a phone, and too expensive for something apparently less robust than the N810. Some of the extra features would be nice to have (TV output, better interfaces), as well as increased speed.

I'd like to see updates of the programmes I use (Tear and Mediabox still have some annoying quirks, but development seems to have stopped), or replacements for them.

I'm willing to help with testing.

What's the community SSU?

silvermountain

02-15-2010, 01:00 PM

* I have an N810

* I'm interested to see and use;
- A fully working version of Mer,
- An update to YellowNotes :),
- An improved Twitter client.

* I'm willing to contribute with beta-testing and feedback

I don't like Tear (too many bugs/quirks) and would like to see MicroB browser continued.

sondjata

02-15-2010, 01:14 PM

I have an N800.
Assuming I can do something about screen glare I will keep it.
*I'm interested to see
-A desktop twitter and FB widget
-Mer working
-RTComm working with Yahoo
-RTComm working with Gizmo Account.

-I am willing to test, complain and blog about my experiences.
-I will thank whoever updates this thing and keeps MaemoMapper working.

silvermountain

02-15-2010, 01:22 PM

This is funny. The ITT site is shut down and everything is done but use beaters and dogs to drive away tablet users and then a survey is taken to see if anyone is left.

Sure you won't shoot me if I respond?

I have an N800, N810 and N900.

I can test. I would like to run MER but now that the old community has been decimated, maybe giving up and just doing more Diablo development is more practical.

I think that what really SHOULD happen is that the ITT site should be reestablished for people who are fans of tablets whether from Nokia or not.

But that's just me.

Actually I agree with pretty much all you said :)

I also grew tired of Nokia's lack of support of the N810 and ended up getting another phone than the N900 (and the N900 came out just as I was looking for one). The sour taste from the N810-support did influence my purchase decision I must admit.

Anyway, the N810 is a great device but maybe;

- Due to lower userbase would it be possible to simply continue with Diablo releases rather than a whole new OS.

- ITT or any sort of separate forum for N770.N800/N810 users would be great. I think it's been shown that talk.maemo.org is not that willing to change to accommodate legacy-app users and rather than spend a year in some Brainstorming exercise a new forum might be a much cleaner way.

cheetos316

02-15-2010, 08:05 PM

I own and love my N810.

I'm interested in seeing Mer and more app developement. I'm not sure if it is due to hardware limitation, but I'm interested in seeing my movies play without any choppiness.

Although my programming skills are somewhat limited, I would love to contribute in any way possible

puritanic829

02-15-2010, 09:35 PM

* I have a N800

* I'm interested to see and use a full operating system that can run comfortably... I want to get Debian or something working well so that I can easily use things like synergy, command line, etc. comfortably, although in the constraints of the low-spec device, while still being able to use it for the main things I do now.. MP3 player, Web browser, E-mail client

* I'm willing to contribute with testing. I do not depend on the N800 as I used to so I can play around with alpha level stuff and so forth.

* If a fully working and comfortable Debian or similar OS would happen, I would then be able to do everything

Frank Banul

02-15-2010, 09:47 PM

* I have a N810
* I'm interested to see and use Diablo and/or Mer on my device. I have an N900 and while it makes a wonderful phone, at home, my N810 is much nicer with it's larger screen and longer battery life. I use the web browser, media player, IM, dial central and omweather.

* I'm willing to contribute with whatever is not getting filled in by others. Maintaining my applications, porting other applications, testing, etc.

* If Mer would happen, I would then be able to replace Diablo.

Frank

danramos

02-15-2010, 09:50 PM

*I have an N800

* I'm somewhat interested in seeing a new OS to take over the role of the effectively orphaned OS that Nokia no longer maintains on this hardware, however my interest is increasingly waning with its age and my disenchantment with Nokia's support and the lack of replacement parts and hardware,severely hampering its effective reliability in a commercial and personal environment.

* I'm willing to possibly abuse, test and report on bugs and usability of the OS (now that I don't actually use my N800 for anything critical anymore) on the actual N800 hardware. I'm also something of an artist (I'm good but I don't do it much, preferring other things to do), so I might be able to contribute to that as well.

* I'm with Silvermountain on pretty much what he said: "ITT or any sort of separate forum for N770.N800/N810 users would be great. I think it's been shown that talk.maemo.org is not that willing to change to accommodate legacy-app users and rather than spend a year in some Brainstorming exercise a new forum might be a much cleaner way."

wesgreen

02-15-2010, 10:22 PM

* I have an N800.

* I'm interested in running Mer on the device. And would love to see my favorite gadget have its lifetime increased. Especially if then I could run the same QT based app on my N900 and my N800 at home (since it has a bigger screen and would be closer to an outlet at home since the N800's battery is dying).

* I'm willing to contribute with testing (when I have the time). Sadly as of now graduate school and work take up most of my time.

Laughing Man, you're killing us with those horror stories about your dying battery. can't you please scrounge up 8 dollars somewhere and buy your n800 a nice chinese battery? not even i am THAT cheap!

davadio

02-16-2010, 12:43 AM

Use my N800 every day. Bought a low mileage spare in case it ever quits working( no sign of that happening). It's loaded with photos, music, movies, books, audio books,Conboy notes and sketches. Web browsing, Skype and Mytube work great. Software improvments would be welcome, but I love it just as it is. A seperate forum would be interesting to me. I have no interest in the small screen/monthly fee/N900.

vabgeo

02-16-2010, 01:09 AM

* I have a N800 and N810

* I'm interested to see and use Mer, with 3D/opengl , Android on my devices

* I'm willing to contribute with programming in python, Gui in Qt

* If video calls with other gtalk/yahoo would happen, I would then be able to do video chat :D

Mixu

02-16-2010, 01:27 AM

I have a N810
I'm interested to see and use Mer and QT 4.6 on my device
I'm willing to contribute with testing. I'm a coder too but I don't have any Linux or mobile coding experience so I won't be much of a help.
If Mer and/or QT 4.6 would happen, I would have a reason to learn QT and contribute to the community (instead of whining in this forum)

TA-t3

02-16-2010, 06:21 AM

I have an N800
It for the most part does what I want, so I'm not currently looking for new stuff
On the other hand, I'm somewhat interested in the TI drivers and what can be done with them. I will probably start to play around with this, possibly through Mer.
[Leaving open for now]

astuermer

02-16-2010, 07:57 AM

* I have a N810
* I'm interested to see and use Mer/Ubuntu on my device (flashable) and no .img file.
* I'm interested to see the community SSU happening and Qt4.6 on my N810.

Addison

02-16-2010, 08:02 AM

N800 user.

Don't know what Mer is or can even do.

3D graphics doesn't interest me in the slightest.

I could help out with the touch screen keyboard.

teclah

02-16-2010, 09:07 AM

* I have a N800

* I'm interested to see and use mer/ubuntu with GL accel on my device

* I'm willing to contribute with Tests and programming

Tintin

02-16-2010, 09:14 AM

Got an N810.

Would like video-enabled VoiP calls through Skype.
Don't really care about Mer as I don't believe there will ever be a steady release so I would rather see new Diablo hack-releases.

ptaffs

02-16-2010, 09:23 AM

* I have a N800 (Used daily to catch and play video and audio podcasts, then listen when away from wifi).
* I'm interested to see better mplayer performance on my device
* I'm willing to contribute with python/shell/c code
* If i had more time would happen, I would then be able to do more contribution
* if a SSU occurs, I'd fall off my chair.
* if an n800 failure occurs, I'd buy a newer tablet but not the n900 as the screen is too small.

Buffalo_Bill

02-16-2010, 09:35 AM

* I have a N810

* I'm interested to see and use Mer on my device

* I'm willing to contribute with Mer, but my freetime has shrink to a minimum of hours per week in the last year.

* If a new operating system would happen, I would then be able to use more my N810 for general purpose than to just watch movies. I would also love to see a new onscreen keyboard.

henningspruth

02-16-2010, 11:08 AM

I own a N810, a N800, and a WSOD N770.

Used primarily around the house as mobile surf stations.

Not interested in:

3D acceleration

Interested in:

Re-vitalized development, not sure about Mer vs. updated Fiasco image
More focused communication for the remaining flock of N8x0/N770 users - a separate Forum might be a good idea
A close look at Android - whether we like it or not, the developer base for our devices is not going to grow much. Assuming we can access the Android market, we'd have access to a much bigger community

Able to contribute in:

testing

taylorfs

02-16-2010, 12:01 PM

I currently use an N810 in a variety of roles, including e-book reader, light web surfing, simple games and email. I also use the PDA functions daily, including GPE/Erminig for calendar and Contacts/Syncevolution for contacts.

I would like to see: Continued development of Mer. What I don't want to see is this device abandoned, as there is really nothing comparable on the market still. Having a more integrated PDA functionality would be great also.

What I would be willing to do: I am a garden variety user, not a coder so offering to write code is a bit beyond my skill set. I would be willing to do user testing and support for others.

DanielT

02-16-2010, 01:49 PM

Just want to start by saying I am a cynical person by nature, but my many years experience in the IT industry do give me some fairly educated and realistic expectations and insight into what is likely or not likely to happen.

* I have an N810

* I'm interested to see and use Mer or any other growing OS that will open up avenues for developers of the latest applications to run on my device. I am also interested in some more flexibility, especially the ability to replace the OS, file system and all applications onto the larger storage media built-in.

* I'm willing to contribute with testing anything that is worked on, including applications and OS builds.

* If any of the aforementioned would happen, I would then be able to continue using my N810 instead of finding its usefulness dwindle more and more by the day.

Please understand I really love what has been accomplished but there's no way I will upgrade to an N900, not because I don't want to get farther in the abilities my tablet can offer me, but rather because I think it has become predictable what will happen. The next product will eventually come out, and it will be incompatible with previous products, and therefore the same cycle will happen again - developers coding for the latest and greatest, but unfortunately nothing can run on the earlier product!

I have spent the past 6 months looking around for useful applications for my tablet. Recently I started to find many new apps hit the scene and I was so happy to see them until I discovered they're only for N900 and that they cannot run on my N810. The same handful of products are available for my N810 as had been a year ago and absolutely no further development has been made for my N810. Anyone who is developing is doing so for the newest, and the N8x0 are left to collect the dust.

I fear this will happen again with the N900 once Nokia comes up with something new. The reason being if everything developed for the newest product could also run on the older models, they cannot extort the community into buying their newest product.

I think you'll likely see a huge number of users move over to the IPad and whatever competing products arise on the market.

As much as I am fond of the open-source nature of this device, the fact is most of the applications I have from my old Windows CE devices still run on my latest Windows Mobile 6.5. Despite the fact that its all about money in the closed-source industry, at least I don't face extinction with every new OS version the way it is with this device. Really a shame because open source should be as backward compatible as possible, and instead I see tons of apps available for N900 that cannot be run on my N810.

mattiviljanen

02-16-2010, 02:04 PM

I have a N810 (and a N900)

I'm interested to see and use Mer on my device. Why? It would be (way more) up-to-date concerning libraries (and perhaps even constant kernel improvements), allowing e.g. more modern web browsers to pop in, not to mention having upstream in your hands. Also, mapping is a nice hobby I have, and N810 has proven to be more faithful in that (Maemo Mapper 3 alpha on N900...not worth trying).

I'm willing to contribute with testing, translation, and should I be blessed with enough free time, even coding/porting/debugging.

If Mer+N810+Qt+GLES would happen, I would then be able to develop mobile Qt applications for one more device (read: I would develop to N900, and make sure it works with combination mentioned before).

I'd love to help Mer with my moderate coding skills and interest for FOSS, but my time is being spent in college and work ATM...

migs

02-16-2010, 02:05 PM

I have an N800, would like to see

GPU acceleration

Better browser performance

updated Adobe Flash 10.1 support

camera flip bug on n800 fixed

more easy to update SSU's

Alan_Peery

02-16-2010, 04:20 PM

I'm personally wondering what you would like to see happen on OS and community side for your devices.
* I have a N810

* I'm interested to see and use a backported Maemo 5 on my device

* I'm willing to contribute with a number of small financial rewards for incremental steps along the way. (Think beer & pizza, or a new bike light)

* If backporting would happen, I would then be able to only look for applications one time.

I miss the N810's screen, but don't want to try and keep up the two OS versions at the same time. Without this work, my N810's destination is to become an audio input to my stereo. With this work, it's likely to be used more widely.

Alan_Peery

02-16-2010, 04:31 PM

I have spent the past 6 months looking around for useful applications for my tablet. Recently I started to find many new apps hit the scene and I was so happy to see them until I discovered they're only for N900 and that they cannot run on my N810.

And this is exactly why we need a back port of Maemo 5. Any attempt to incrementally upgrade apps on the Maemo 4 platform is swimming against the tide. I'd like to include both the N800 and the N770 but I don't think the N770 inclusion is realistic given what I remember of the hardware specs.

DanielT

02-16-2010, 05:49 PM

Yes a backport of Maemo 5 would certainly be nice.

microe

02-16-2010, 06:05 PM

* I have an N800 and N810
* I'm interested in seeing a full replacement of Diablo on the N810
* I'm willing to contribute development time into a distro (like Mer or MeeGo) or application development (like clones of the stuff that is still closed in Diablo). I'm also willing to provide testing time using my N800.
* If Mer were a full replacement then I could continue to use my N810 as I have and get access to fixes and application improvements that are currently happening in Freemantle/N900.

moja

02-16-2010, 11:42 PM

I have an N800 that I use daily to check gmail and the morning news. Mostly I use it to listen to MP3s and internet radio from an NSLU2 over wi-fi. Secondly I use it for voip. Sometimes I use it as a remote control for XBMC. And occasionally I will play a game on it.

The main apps that I use are Xmms, microB, Skype, and Tear. *** Now if I can just find foolproof steps to get openvpn to tunnel into my dd-wrt router. ***

I am interested in using the most useful, robust, and stable software available for the N800. I would like to see Mer become the successor to Diablo.

I'm willing to contribute with testing and documentation. My coding skills are way rusty, but I would be willing to try small tasks as part of a team project.

If nothing else develops, I will be glad to continue using my N800 as long as possible as it is with Diablo.

heavyt

02-17-2010, 10:49 AM

...*** Now if I can just find foolproof steps to get openvpn to tunnel into my dd-wrt router. ***
...
I don't know what kind of info you need but you may want to look at the following and/or start a new thread asking for help.
DD-WRT setup
http://www.geek-pages.com/articles/latest/openvpn_server_and_client_on_dd-wrt.html
Openvpn Applet
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=191461&postcount=1
Viop Tunnel over Vpn
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=447521#post447521
https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1860#c29

mrdally204

02-17-2010, 10:59 AM

I'm still using my 810 daily. It is my cell phone replacement using Dialcentral and The One Ring for calls/sms on the road. I love the IM applications as well.

I would love a replacement OS that can support "fancier/functional" applications. I would most like to see either Mer or an Android port functioning. Mer for the Maemo 5 support, Android cuz I love google and all the available applications! I can not do any coding but love to try out the new software and give feed back

geneven

02-17-2010, 10:59 AM

I am beginning to feel that the only realistic thing users of devices before the N900 can do is go independent. In other words, to a different site. Feel free to disagree with me; I have been wrong many times. But this site is owned by Nokia, which appears to be looking at other things more than N800 compatibility issues :) So maybe there is already a good independent site out there. I have an N900, so will stay with this site on those issues, but from the point of view of my older devices I just think this increasingly incompatible.

tvijlbrief

02-17-2010, 11:31 AM

I have an n800 and nokia 6680 for umts access and I'm actually quite pleased with that combo and the capabilities of diablo. I use it for about 3 hours every day.

My main applications are the browser, openssh and openvpn.

I'm a linux/c++ developer and could help on projects which need help, but there is not much that I wish for...

maacruz

02-17-2010, 04:16 PM

* I have a N810 and use it for almost everything all day long: listening music at work (thanks mediabox), browsing with microb and tear (buggy buggy tear :-(), finding where I want to go with maemo mapper, ebook reading, studying with mit opencourseware, GTD (thanks to zim), calculator, PIM, ...
No N900 in the short term, maybe never (screen too small to be a useful replacement for the N810)

* I'm interested to see the community SSU in the sort term (I see it as inmediate), and mer in the long time, but I'm worried about mer because its goal seems to have shifted to the N900.

* I'm willing to contribute at least with testing and bugfixing. Unfortunately I'm very sort of time, but could help with python and bash. I'm very experimented in linux, but I'm from the rpm shore (je je)

bearcat

02-17-2010, 06:38 PM

And you all did see the news about Windows Phone 7 or whatever they're calling it -- it will not support legacy apps.

I am so disgusted with Nokia, and so glad I didn't buy a 900! Think I'll invest in a Palm TX <g>. At least old Palm apps still work.

maacruz

02-17-2010, 08:28 PM

canoehead

02-17-2010, 10:35 PM

* I have two N800's -one for me, the other for my family. Use them around the house, and for checking in when mobile via a tethered phone.
* I'm interested in bug fixes for existing functionality, especially basics like Modest fixes on Diablo. I mainly use email, browser, RSS, Maemo Mapper, Gpodder. Get rid of nagging problems with them, and I will use this hardware until it dies.
* I usually contribute by helping new users with questions. (Now that my hardware is dated, my utility in this function is low.) I can program, but due to other committments, can't invest the time.
* Longer term, if Mer is usable on an N800, and supports getting newer versions of apps like the above, I will use it. I suspect that I will likely be in the market for new hardware by then though - the N800 is fantastic, the best hardware design to me, but if someone has a newer machine with a similar screen size, similar tablet functionality but with an updated processor, I'd be investing in it. (Especially if it ran Meego or Mer.)

maluka

02-17-2010, 10:47 PM

Even though I have an N900, I still use my N800 regularly. It's a solid piece of hardware that feels like it will still be usable for a number of years to come. We can't let the community around it die out.

bongo

02-18-2010, 04:04 AM

* I have a N800 (and I love it!)

* I'm interested to see and use mer on my device

* I'm willing to contribute with programming and testing

* If this 3d driver thing would happen, I would then be able to use mer

lardman

02-18-2010, 05:41 AM

+1 from me,

* N810 (and N800)

* I'd like to have Mer running on them

* Programming and testing, some DSP/other driver work if needed, though am currently very short of time :(

Lord Raiden

02-18-2010, 07:28 AM

I've still got my n810, but it's on its last legs. I used to have 3 at one time, but ended up not using the other two enough to warrant keeping them around, so I sold them. Now I wish I hadn't. :( But, even if it dies, I'll still hang around in support of the community, and maybe pick up another device in the near future.

scg

02-18-2010, 12:49 PM

* I have a N810 in daily use
* I'm interested to see and use regular updates, both security fixes and applications, and updates to the development toolkits
* I will continue to maintain some "exotic" packages like R, emacs, unison (see www.ws.chemie.tu-muenchen.de/hydrogeo/tools)

Stskeeps

02-19-2010, 07:43 AM

A post-mortem over some parts of Mer, but also relevant information about future of Mer for N8x0:

http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2010/02/mer-project-just-bunch-of-redshirts.html

SD69

02-19-2010, 01:03 PM

A post-mortem over some parts of Mer, but also relevant information about future of Mer for N8x0:

http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2010/02/mer-project-just-bunch-of-redshirts.htmlMakes sense. Thanks for being quick to provide this head-ups on the roadmap.

I've been wondering if we should also rethink Diablo in light of MeeGo. Particularly, with the availability of GTK+, is it feasible to dare dream of doing Hildon extensions and porting existing GTK+ Diablo apps to work on top of Meego? I defer to those with technical expertise (particularly those devs that wrote apps and were hesitating to try to do a harmattan revision) on the practicality of it, and I am just floating the idea.

McLightning

02-19-2010, 02:20 PM

i have an n810
i have some app. ideas for diablo
i may start making these apps. this holiday cause im at the last grade at high school so this term is so busy i need to study a lot to enroll an university for computer engineering

DaveP1

02-19-2010, 02:28 PM

I use my N810 every day. The current OS works for me. I would like to see continued development of apps. Some are great, many could use a bit of polish, and a few are missing entirely.

I wouldn't mind a better list app (like my old Palm's Handyshopper) and a robust task/todo app, ideally with cloud integration.

DaveP1

02-19-2010, 02:30 PM

I've been wondering if we should also rethink Diablo in light of MeeGo. Particularly, with the availability of GTK+, is it feasible to dare dream of doing Hildon extensions and porting existing GTK+ Diablo apps to work on top of Meego?

I'll ask the reverse question. We have emulators for other OSs in the gaming world, would it be possible to write a Meego emulator for Diablo?

I assume the answer is no. If you could emulate it you could run it. But maybe I'm wrong.

luca

02-19-2010, 07:21 PM

speedmartini

02-20-2010, 12:20 AM

I love my N800 and use it daily as well. I am a device geek and search at least weekly for the latest and greatest. Until I can find a device in the N800 form factor with a 2GB processor and 2GB of RAM, it's still the best thing going. I've got Open Office (thanks Qole!) a bluetooth keyboard paired, just paired a mouse (thanks Jolouis!), and all the other radio and mplayer functions that others have mentioned. Maemo mapper is fantastic, and thanks to the community I can update my repository links anytime Google might change them. Love OM Weather too. I've moved my boot to an SDHC card, and now have no problems with memory or storage. The only negatives are not on the N800 side - I can no longer bluetooth my blackberry for a cellular network connection (thanks Sprint - and if anyone knows a way around that please let me know), and I ran into a .pdf DRM issue with some materials I needed for a class (no Linux support at all). The N900 is already obsolete, and for me offered nothing except 200mhz more processing power - which doesn't get you much. I welcome any enhancements that allow me to make the most out of the 400mhz that I do have. I enjoy testing, and can script at a novice level. I'll use my N800 as a near laptop replacement until I can get an N800 with more power!

Stskeeps

02-20-2010, 02:09 AM

So, mer 0.17 is the end of line for n8x0, or mer^2 will be meego for the n8x0?

No, it will be Debian 5.0 with Fremantle sources plus binaries on top. MeeGo is another ballgame and we'll have to see sources of it before it can be determined it will run.

On the other hand, - this is not the desktop that N8x0 will run, but it is actual Fremantle binaries running on top of Debian 5.0 + Fremantle base APIs: Mer^2. See where I'm going with this backport?:

http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer2-firstdesktop.png

Addison

02-20-2010, 02:31 AM

No idea what I'm looking at in that picture, but hell, you get a thanks from me just the same. :)

linuxeventually

02-20-2010, 03:00 AM

@Stskeeps
Yeah so your plan is to boot into Mer^2 on the N900, run any old un-hildonized Linux program and also be able to run and install Fremantle packages side-by-side; rather than the current solution of booting Fremantle and opening a chroot of Debian to run un-hildonized programs. The question is will this method allow you to run any of the closed-source components without modification.

and to summarize...(based on what you are implying)

Pros
* No chroot needed, so no extra over-head and performance loss
* Run gnome/kde/etc. "Desktop" programs AND fremantle programs (no either/or)
* Reverse-engineering all N900 drivers/components not necessary

Cons
* N900 ONLY
* will need a good amount of work to be "flawless"
* as-of-yet unencountered problems will crop up

Or am I completely mistaken??

...Are you able to magically run omap3 binaries on omap2 hardware? o_O

lma

02-20-2010, 03:14 AM

Particularly, with the availability of GTK+, is it feasible to dare dream of doing Hildon extensions and porting existing GTK+ Diablo apps to work on top of Meego?

Meego doesn't include Hildon1 anymore so that would need to be "ported" first. It does include GTK+ and Clutter so porting Hildon2 and Fremantle apps also seems doable.

I'll ask the reverse question. We have emulators for other OSs in the gaming world, would it be possible to write a Meego emulator for Diablo?

Why emulate? A chroot environment (like qole's easy-*) would do the trick.

The main blocker AFAIUI (and it's early days so take with a large pinch of salt) is the requirement for OpenGL*, so it seems that we need to get the TI drivers working before attempting anything else.

luca

02-20-2010, 04:14 AM

MeeGo is another ballgame and we'll have to see sources of it before it can be determined it will run.

Well, since fremante is stillborn, I hope it can.
Since they say that, differently than hildon which used some non-standard interfaces for some components, meego will be standard linux, I suppose it's just a matter of compiling it for the right architecture (just like current distros are building for i586 and x86_64) and having hardware support in the kernel.

I reckon it's not a simple "just" :p

Stskeeps

02-20-2010, 04:16 AM

linuxeventually

02-20-2010, 04:53 AM

Oh lovely. That's going to be painful. XD

P.S. When you get some time it would be helpful if you were outline what you are you attempting to do exactly so backporting can begin

Stskeeps

02-20-2010, 05:52 AM

www.rzr.online.fr

02-20-2010, 06:01 AM

this sound like a good project, I'll definitly wipe out my internal mem for mer ...

but please dont disable the abiltity to boot vendor firmware (maemo)
is some help needed on the dual boot ?

Finally I did some trick to boot mer inside maemo, using chroot like easy debian
but some stuff are overlapping ... I'll have to check this again

regards and long live to mer !

gazza_d

02-20-2010, 06:17 AM

Right. Before I really start getting into the Mer^2 work I would like to just note a couple of things that will influence things in the future:

* I will be primarily focusing on the N810, not the N800. This means: I won't be spending too much time with the virtual keyboard, I won't be pursuing a stylus keyboard like Fremantle does it. Others are welcome to and patches happily accepted. I need personally to focus and I've decided I'll do this on the N810.

* The final installation will be a complete reflash - I'm not going to spend much time on dual-boot (it may or may not work easily).

* On a N800, you will need to dedicate at least a 2GB SD card permanently seated in the internal SD slot specially partitioned. On N810, we will need to repartition the internal SD.
* The base system will be Debian 5.0 but with a lot of things replaced so it looks (from technical point of view) closer to a Maemo 5.0 installation.

* I will try to seek permission to recompile most of the Fremantle system on top of these ported packages, which will only be legally
available for N800 and N810(W). We'll see how much will work.

* The system will not in any way be 100% open source. We're trying to accomplish it working and possible to use by users on a daily basis, not have an agenda.

* We will need to provide some custom artwork to distinguish between real Maemo and Mer^2 - there should be no brand confusion.

* I will need some Gtk coders to step up to help shape the old hildon-desktop closer to Fremantle interface. It won't be as shiny, but it will perform it's purpose.

Sounds like a plan. I like the rational of aiming for something practicable, which takes the existing tablets forward, as we need something which enables some if not most of the new apps to run on the N810, otherwise I think the platform is at serious risk of dying though neglect.

If dual boot is possible, then I think you will get more people who are willing to test Mer^2 sooner. Certainly I will. My N810 is my primary device though (although I have an 800 as well), and things like Wayfinder are necessities until we have a working alternative, so a complete reflatten for a work in progress may cause pain.

Good luck STS, and many thanks for all your efforts with Mer and Mer^2. They are highly appreciated by me, and most others I think.

SD69

02-20-2010, 09:02 AM

buurmas

02-21-2010, 12:13 AM

* I have an N810

* I'm interested to see and use Mer on my device, particularly installing from Ubuntu repositories and using Tear with updated libraries. This would be a big leap forward for me. Community SSU would be great as well, of course, but the closed-source components tie their hands a bit...

* I'm willing to contribute with feature-level testing for Mer incl contributing to/with bug reports and maybe some simple development work one day.

* If Qt 4.6 came to Mer &/or Diablo, I would then have more motivation to spend my precious free time doing NIT development work. The cross-platform would be a big lure -- I could potentially re-use my work in other contexts.

EDIT: * If Tear libraries could be updated, then I could use DPad Left in an edit box. :)

Alan_Peery

02-21-2010, 03:35 PM

Stskeeps is up for an N810Thrives award (per my earlier post http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=530638&postcount=69), based on

apparent contributions to date (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=536471#post536471) and
the clear statement of plans forward
(http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=538242&postcount=101)

I'll be contacting him via a PM.

tso

02-21-2010, 05:11 PM

typing this on a n800 so i'm still around (tho archos is yanking my strings with that 8GB archos 5 IT. And even more so after allowing third party firmware on it).

Alan_Peery

02-21-2010, 05:15 PM

Stskeeps is up for an N810Thrives award.
that he has chosen to convert into an honorary award. :-)

Next on the list is Ima, for tacking the GTK and Hildon1 porting questions, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=538060&postcount=97.

There is also his less directly related post of getting the pipe character (|) easily accessible on the N900 (http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=386724&postcount=8), and the unrelated IMAP NOTIFY RFC post (http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=416363&postcount=26). The RFC is now on my required reading list, and I hope the claws-mail and modest maintainers have already read it!

qole

02-21-2010, 07:46 PM

* I will be primarily focusing on the N810, not the N800. This means: I won't be spending too much time with the virtual keyboard, I won't be pursuing a stylus keyboard like Fremantle does it. Others are welcome to and patches happily accepted. I need personally to focus and I've decided I'll do this on the N810.

I understand why you're doing this, and I agree you need to focus, but still... boo. :(

* The final installation will be a complete reflash - I'm not going to spend much time on dual-boot (it may or may not work easily).

As others have noted, you're really going to need a very polished system to completely replace Diablo on most peoples' tablets.

Honestly, I would much prefer a community SSU for Diablo fixing everything that has already been patched rather than a shadow Fremantle for the N8x0.

Lord Raiden

02-21-2010, 08:36 PM

Makes sense. Thanks for being quick to provide this head-ups on the roadmap.

I've been wondering if we should also rethink Diablo in light of MeeGo. Particularly, with the availability of GTK+, is it feasible to dare dream of doing Hildon extensions and porting existing GTK+ Diablo apps to work on top of Meego? I defer to those with technical expertise (particularly those devs that wrote apps and were hesitating to try to do a harmattan revision) on the practicality of it, and I am just floating the idea.
Hey, I'm all for moving forward with developing a version of MeeGo for the n8xx line and just dumping Mer. Not that Mer isn't a good project, but I think MeeGo will be light years ahead of it, and by the time that Mer catches up to Diablo, MeeGo will be so far ahead that it won't be worth having.

lma

02-21-2010, 09:00 PM

Next on the list is Ima, for tacking the GTK and Hildon1 porting questions

Appreciated (really!) but there's no need. If you want to help stay tuned on this (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=30648) thread, as it looks like I'm going to need some volunteer guin^H^H^H^Htesters RSN :-)

The [NOTIFY] RFC is now on my required reading list, and I hope the claws-mail and modest maintainers have already read it!

Apparently it's "on the agenda (http://tinymail.org/trac/tinymail/wiki/LemonadePov)" for tinymail (which provides modest's IMAP support).

daperl

02-21-2010, 11:25 PM

The main blocker AFAIUI (and it's early days so take with a large pinch of salt) is the requirement for OpenGL*, so it seems that we need to get the TI drivers working before attempting anything else.

This probably is too naive, but since soon after Mer started, I thought, "why don't they just create a skeleton OpenGL library." Mostly no-ops and return values that just get you to point B. If need be, you could slowly populate stuff with hand-waving Cairo calls. The cool part is, it would only be one variable in a stable testing environment: FREMANTLE_X86. When you're happy enough with that, you could then try to boot an n900 with it.

internetpilot

02-22-2010, 12:37 AM

I am a late adopter of a N810 (June 2009) when they were apparently on their way to be (if not already were) discontinued.

I am interested in simply using it. I think it is a very capable device as-is, including the OS, but every version of Maemo is a little weak in some specific application areas like PIMs, office type apps (not as weak as PIMs though), and internet browsing could be specifically improved with better flash support (an "Internet Tablet" but no real flash support?).

I'm a career network engineer so I know good and useful devices when I see them, but there's really not much I can do to help improve them other than testing, which I am more than happy to do.

This is my first "open" device, so I'm far more used to just paying for what I need and the financial support tends to result in getting additional improvements or apps that I want. I know the open community doesn't work that way, but to answer the last question, if a working PIM was released, better flash support in the internet browser, and nice port of OpenOffice was made available for the N810, I would gladly pay for it! ;)

With regard to Mer, I admire the endeavor and those involved in the undertaking, but I think that the contributor's talents would be better spent developing apps or at least ports for Diablo. I'm afraid that by the time Mer is anywhere close to "ready" there won't be any devices to run it on because the N800/N810 will be beyond its useful life.

Hrw

02-22-2010, 06:02 AM

* I have a N810 (and 770 which can gather dust)

* I'm interested to see something fresh working on it. Will it be Mer or MeeGo or other name.

* I'm willing to contribute with testing and knowledge.

monoceros

02-22-2010, 04:48 PM

- I have an N810.

- I also would like to see Mer fully functional.

- I'm willing to contribute with testing Mer.

- I want to keep the N8x0(W) platform alive for as long as possible.

YoDude

02-22-2010, 05:18 PM

I have an N800 and an 810. I use the N810 everyday in my car tethered to my N900 for Maemo Mapper.

I'm interested in web apps and I am working on snatching and installing some of the OVI ones like France/24, etc.

I'm looking for the right inputs for the User Agent Switcher Installed on the N810.

For the N900 I got this so far:

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux armv7l; en-US; rv:1.9.2a1pre)
Gecko/20091127
Firefox/3.5
Maemo Browser 1.5.6 RX-51 N900

Working with the N810 inside is a PITA though because the battery is shot.

EDIT: OVI lets me in and thinks I'm an N900. It installs the OVI repo when I hit "download" but the OVI repo never refreshes.

EDIT again: When I do get the deb to the N810 it needs about a zillion libraries and updates not designed for the N810. libdbus-glib being the least of it :eek:... Oh well, I still had fun trying though.

volleydude

02-23-2010, 01:57 AM

I've had a N800 for about a year now, and enjoy the heck out of it
I use it for Web Browsing - Dial Central - Vagalume
I could test whatever path of OS was chosen - but would appreciate a dual boot as I use the device daily
Looking for support for setting my online status from behind a firewall (as near as I can tell this isn't supported) and Flash 10 support.

edwenn

02-23-2010, 09:54 AM

- I have an N800 and I love it to bits. Bought it 2 1/2 years ago (but this is my first time on this board...sorry about that). I used the N800 daily for the first 18 months - primarily to catch & play audio podcasts and for light surfing/email. These days I use it round the house at weekends to stream music from Last.FM via Vagalume and the occasional Twitter session using Mauku. I'd like to use it for a whole lot more, but find that most things I try to do with it these days just take too long. I think a rebuild is called for...and I'll scour these boards for tips on the best way to optimise performance and which apps I should use.

- I love tinkering about with OS's on PCs, on phones and on tablets. That said I'm not fussed about which OS we end up with for N8X0 as long as the apps are made to run better. There are so many cool ideas and apps in the community that it's frustrating for me (a non-coder) when they don't work as they should. Example 1: I gave up looking for for a reliable podcatcher (ended up buying a Creative Zen & syncing it with my PC). Example 2: Incredibly slow performance from N800 apps when attempting to stream audio from my Windows 7 UPnP media streamer even though the Creative Zen works like a charm.

- I'm willing to contribute testing & bug reports for apps and any new OS's that come round.

- Like many others here, I want to keep the N8x0(W) hardware platform alive for as long as possible. If it's Meego, Android, Mer or Diablo then I'm happy. For me it's all about the apps.

VulcanRidr

02-23-2010, 11:55 AM

I've had my N810 for just over a year, and I too enjoy the heck out of it.
I'd be willing to do whatever I could (and had time for), but I am a sysadmin rather than a programmer...
As for what I would like to see, I have a core cadre of apps that I use, which is everything from FBreader (I read on it a *lot*), MediaBox for media playback (mp3/ogg in the car, movies at other times), angband, tear and midori for browsing, the list goes on.

The main advantage to the N900 from my perspective (other than being new and shiny), especially since I had an AT&T rep tell me that an N900 wouldn't work on their network, is the additional onboard storage and the faster processor...

--vr

bousch

02-23-2010, 12:32 PM

Still here too..., though not so much

* I have a N800 and N810 (and waiting for my N900 to arrive) and still enjoy using them. Mainly for reading, webbrowsing and some python programming with vim.

* I'm interested to see a speed increase in the OS on my device (will Mer bring this? I doubt a backport of freemantle will)

* I'm willing to contribute with whatever I can but I have limited time. I have compiled some linux tools on scratchbox (Groff, Grap and Ghostscript so I can generate nice looking pdfs with pic diagrams and graphs from vim using the troff macros) and I am a programmer (Java, some Python).

* If "winning the lottery" would happen, I would then be able to do "stop working and contribute more" ;) (did not really know what to say here)

Cheers, Bousch

akorvemaker

02-23-2010, 01:01 PM

* I have a N810.
* I'm interested to see and use general updates to current software. For example, keeping Tear updated with new builds of webkit, updated FBReader in Extras, keeping Maemo Mapper working with map repositories, keeping Erminig working, keep the IM client working with MSN/etc, updated versions of gpe-* when they come out, updates to Panucci, etc. For the most part I'm happy enough with the functionality and would like it to simply stay current. If Mer or Android is the means for this to happen, great. If it's simply occasional updates to individual packages, good enough.
* I'm willing to contribute with minimal testing, especially for packages I use.
* If extremely easy testing packages for Mer, running at full speed and without significant missing functionality would happen, I would then be able to do testing and consider moving over to it either temporarily or permanently.
* If a general update to the system would happen, I would then be able to happily continue with my life.

hordeman

02-24-2010, 09:49 PM

* The final installation will be a complete reflash - I'm not going to spend much time on dual-boot (it may or may not work easily).

If anybody can consider a dual-boot solution, that would be ideal. I'm just concerned about losing some diablo apps when the time comes to move (or try) mer; e.g., skype, canola2, mytube, etc. :) Thank you in advance!

coosbaytv

02-25-2010, 12:12 AM

I too have an n810 that I bought on ebay and love!

I am no where near ready to give up on this device....

use for media and podcasts, fbreader, evince and some video.

no skills in programming but can contribute with graphics, pr or marketing.

even though I don't know about mer, willing to try.

my latest wild idea is to use the n810 as a graphics tablet via bluetooth with the ipad with sumopaint!

jchammons

02-25-2010, 12:16 AM

I too am an N810(w) owner, and am in full support of it still being a magical device. I'll be there.

TheWalt

02-25-2010, 08:06 AM

* I have a N810 (and 770 which can gather dust)

* I'm interested to see something fresh working on it. Will it be Mer or MeeGo or other name.

* I'm willing to contribute with testing and knowledge.

Same, N810 benched for months. Would love to test something 'new' running on it.

icebox

02-25-2010, 08:08 AM

Hi,

* I have a n800 - I've been using it every day for almost 3 years now

* I'm interested to see and use a comunity based ssu / stable enough for every day use which would bring an updated browser engine, maybe a more modern desktop (maybe helped by the newly released 3d drivers) but after all that's eye candy and can wait.

* I'm willing to contribute with testing and bug reports but since the n800 is my only internet tablet I can't help testing until it's stable enough for everyday use. (even if bleeding edge with bugs and errors)

* I want to keep using my internet tablet WITH USB HOST :) for as long as possible - especially since I don't see a better replacement for it.

cheeto4493

02-25-2010, 03:04 PM

* I have a N800, just purchased a few months ago. Use it daily. Decided on it over an N810

* I'm interested to see and use any OS on my device that is decently stable and Dev's will provide apps for. I am really interested in astronomy software, along with multimedia and PDA apps. I run Garnet VM on it because it has more astro software than Maemo

* I'm willing to contribute with Beta testing. still new to Linux commands and deal more with PHP than any other language.

rafaelsemx

03-01-2010, 03:34 PM

* I have a n800, and use it every day

* I'm interested to see and use a community based ssu / stable enough for every day use, updated browser, fbreader, rss reader, xournal, maps/navigation, games, media player, and anything I can install from the ubuntu/debian repos; I use a bluetooth keyboard for any long text input, so any king of on screen keyboard for short or simple text inputs would be enough.

- I'm willing to contribute with testing and bug reports, and translations to spanish if you need them.

- I want to keep using my internet tablet, if possible with usb host; there doesn't seem to be any hope for something like this in Mexico any time soon.

Stskeeps

03-01-2010, 03:50 PM

Just posted http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=551557 - first snapshot (X86 only right now) of Mer^2. Only for hardcore developers :)

buurmas

03-04-2010, 01:04 PM

Hey, I'm all for moving forward with developing a version of MeeGo for the n8xx line and just dumping Mer. Not that Mer isn't a good project, but I think MeeGo will be light years ahead of it, and by the time that Mer catches up to Diablo, MeeGo will be so far ahead that it won't be worth having.
Late response. A few people have made this case. I see some practical problems with it:
1. The community has code for Fremantle now. How many months will elapse before we get code for MeeGo?
2. When we get MeeGo, will it be trivially easy to backport it, or will it take months of work? For example, in the Mer^2 snapshot 40 thread, we can see that Stskeeps is calling for a rework of the desktop b/c the N8xx can't handle the accelerated graphics. Would you expect that this would not be an issue with MeeGo?
3. If Diablo or Mer ever gets Qt 4.6, then it will presumably be able to use some of the MeeGo apps. Might be a lot easier to do this than backport all of MeeGo & might gain a lot.

buurmas

03-04-2010, 01:52 PM

1. The community has code for Fremantle now. How many months will elapse before we get code for MeeGo?
Well, it looks like I can answer my own question with this quote (http://meego.com/community/blogs/valhalla/2010/towards-day-one):

Nokia and Intel have set the target to open the MeeGo repository by the end of this month. I guess this is something that finally will signify the real "Day One" of MeeGo project, a genuine merger of moblin and maemo. What is scheduled to be available then is the first and very raw baseline to a source and binary repository to build MeeGo trunk on Intel ATOM boards and Nokia N900.

danramos

03-04-2010, 05:23 PM

I tried Mer for the first time this week. Not a bad start--but it needs a lot of finesse and work. Can anyone explain how I can help with bug testing/reporting or anything I can do in my capacity for testing or artwork. I can program but only in shells, Perl and Python in any particularly useful way, anyway as an admin, not a developer.

danramos

03-04-2010, 05:43 PM

ALSO: Two things...

1) It's spartan and minimalist--with VERY VERY little pre-installed. THANK YOU! That's what I wanted in an open-source OS. Give me just a clean slate with nothing much more than an app installation tool and let ME decide on what I want. THANK YOU VERY MUCH!
2) Are there any repositories out there from which to obtain software? It seems like the app manager has nothing available.

xopher

03-07-2010, 05:38 PM

Greetings, this is my first post. I have lurked reading a ton of old threads in the past few weeks after getting my n800 from ebay. It was a quick gadget fix while I wait another device on pre-order. I have to say that I rather like this small slate (the kickstand makes a lovely handle too I must say). I love using the mythfrontend port and despite the lack of keyboard if I need it, my iGo bluetooth works great with it. It has replaced my netbook for my portable RSS companion, streamer, episode/movie watcher on the go and rocks as an mp3 player (speakers sound much better and louder than an Aspire One I used to own LOL) I could continue gushing a bit and you've all heard it before; so enough.....sorry for coming to the table so late and I do hope that there will be extra helpings of dinner. Many thanks to all the chefs that have made delicious ingredients for my tablet and also the ones who have provided some spices to make the user experience a more flavourful one. It tends to be more exciting when you're around watching the live progress rather than catching reruns but the first taste of something always seems to be as good. :)

* I have a N800 (will eventually get an 810 as well and have no interest in the n900)

* I'm interested to use mer on my device with the new 3D drivers implemented, and an updated mythfrontend port.

* I'm willing to contribute with time to assist bug hunting, I have assisted other devs in other areas in the past.

* If winning the lottery would happen, I would then be able to give free beer to all of the hard working devs out there

Cheers guys!

EDIT: I have tried Mer, I was impressed, checked out v16 and saw 17 on the horizon.....then possible new video drivers so I keep it in mind until next version is released. I've put a lot of time into my current environment and would like to do the same with Mer when r17 is released....keep going redshirts!

danramos

03-08-2010, 08:23 PM

It's been four days and nobody answered my questions? Really?

tso

03-08-2010, 08:44 PM

on the mer repo thing, i think its mostly that they have not much compiled, as its still being tested.

danramos

03-08-2010, 08:51 PM

on the mer repo thing, i think its mostly that they have not much compiled, as its still being tested.

Thanks, Tso! I thought there would be at least a handful of apps or something to try out. I suspected that maybe I was missing an extras or testing repo where there were apps to try out. That's perfectly reasonable, though, and I'll shush up for now. :)

hordeman

03-09-2010, 04:48 AM

It's been four days and nobody answered my questions? Really?

Probably because the questions would bring the thread off-topic. :)

jwernerny

03-09-2010, 10:53 AM

I'm still using my n810 heavily and don't plan to upgrade for a while, so I am definitely interested in seeing n810 stuff continuing.

I also tried Mer, but managed to break things to the point of having to reflash that last Diablo release. On the plus side, now that all of the fragments of stuff I installed, tried, and disposed of are gone, the n810 seems faster and I got something like 30 MB of "disk" space back.

- John

Stskeeps

03-09-2010, 02:20 PM

Right, so:

My path currently is taking Fremantle code, adjusting it a bit for N8x0, rebuilding it for N8x0. This is a short term project and going quite decently atm.

MeeGo may or may not run on N8x0. If it works, we might have it running. But I don't know anything until we get code out :) MeeGo's (defined as -not Harmattan-) has a longer timeframe.

snow_fox

03-09-2010, 06:34 PM

I have a nokia N810.

It is hard for me to say what I want to see on the 810, since I've been out of school for a few months my use has decreased.

I use it mostly as a back up mp3 player at the moment. Once school starts back up I will use it for web browsing when I have only a few minutes between classes.

I am willing to help development of anything when I have time.. but, to tell the truth I am highly inexperienced and lack time.

68Guns

03-09-2010, 09:02 PM

cstryon

03-15-2010, 01:36 AM

I have an N810. I'd like to see further development for diablo and/or mer. I'd also like to see the community ssu, up and in use.
I am willing to contribute by letting my N810 be used and abused in the name of development! I have no programming experience but i am happy to test and report my findings.

danramos

03-17-2010, 05:46 PM

Still here and enjoying the heck out of my 800. So far there isn't anything out there that I would replace it with all things considered. Maybe the Dell mini 5 but I'm sure that thing will cost a fortune. Long live the 800/810!

And even then, it's still Android. Despite the fact that I own and like my Android-based phone, I really wish I could get my hands on a proper Linux distribution based tablet that can fit in my pocket to go along with my Android telephone. :P

-sigh-

martinsmc

03-25-2010, 02:30 PM

I have an N810.

I'd like to see runnig more years, with Diablo/Mer....

I'not experience in programming but i am happy to test and report my experience with user.

brashley46

03-26-2010, 11:55 PM

Have an N800, use it every day as ebook reader, MP3 player and for netsurfing when out of the house. Just a user, not programmer, but willing to pitch in the occasional nickel to support further development on this platform ... not too much as I m a pensioner.

I just do not want the same thing to happen to this neat little device as happened to my old Zaurus.

uhale

03-31-2010, 10:32 PM

Thanks to all who have put time and energy into N8X0 development over the years.

* I have been using a N810 for about a year.

* I use the N810 for MAEMO MAPPER, web, email, SKYPE, GOOGLE VOICE/Gizmo5, EBOOKS, MP3 and video player. I get the most out of it when I am traveling and need to make a VOIP call over WiFi. It is also nice to be able to walk down a street in a foreign country, find an open WiFi spot, and find&book a hotel room for the night in a bind.

* I'm willing to contribute with: don't have much to offer. Beta testing, small $ contributions.

* If I buy a nexus one, I would then probably not use my N810 except as backup.

hordeman

04-04-2010, 04:52 PM

Good to see that we still have a substantial N800/ N810 userbase here!

fixfox

04-04-2010, 06:09 PM

Have an N810
Looking forward to Mer

maxinflixion

04-04-2010, 06:47 PM

I am back in action as of this weekend with a new to me n810.

Came back after toying w/ the idea of a Beagleboard based car pc. N900 won't work for me because I must have Blackberry for work, so the n810 will be my new automotive companion.

This time, I will be keeping it indefinitely. Got it for a good price, and I always regret selling them.

nhanquy

04-04-2010, 08:20 PM

I still have 2 N810. One is for spare.

The N810 still costs more than N900, based on this (http://www.amazon.com/Nokia-N810-Internet-Tablet-OMAP2420/dp/B001CX5UAO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1270426674&sr=8-1). :)

Echohead

04-05-2010, 01:51 AM

I have an N810

I'm interested to see and use a good, fast word processing tool on my device (in the vein of softmaker's textmaker or full speed open office)

If that would happen, I would then be able to use that wonderful screen to its full ultraportable potential for my creative writing

WilliePre

04-05-2010, 03:50 AM

Please use this form:

* I have a (N800 or N810 or N810W)

* I'm interested to see and use (fill in) on my device

* I'm willing to contribute with (finish the sentence)

* If (fill in) would happen, I would then be able to do (fill in)

* I have a N900, N800 and 770 (resting in peace)
Use my N800 for surfing, VoIP phone, eBook reader
* hope that is possible to breath new life into Wayfinder
would like to run MER/Ubuntu (light)
* Am not a devloper but will contrbute by testing
* add new life to my N800:):)

wesgreen

04-05-2010, 09:50 AM

n810, planning to use it for email, music, voip, maps, ebooks, feeds, pim (seqretary), etc. until it falls apart. nokia disappointed me, they should have provided an update fixing the email and mediaplayer bugs.

n9ots

04-05-2010, 03:01 PM

n800 Community ssu
Use it daily for surfing, e-books, email, shutting-up small children...and adults, music player, maemomapper...just about the only computer I use daily.
Always willing to test apps

danramos

04-05-2010, 03:17 PM

Good to see that we still have a substantial N800/ N810 userbase here!

I suppose. It feels stale, though. I nearly sold off my N800 recently. I'm still on the fence about it and starting to lean again toward selling it off. Between the blatantly anti-consumer attitude (lack of support and communications for existing customers) from Nokia, the aging hardware with very little openness from TI over the hardware accelerated features, and the fact that I'm feeling less and less interested in where Nokia intends to go with their Internet Tablet line (that is.. "it's no longer a tablet!" telephoney stuff)--I'm just about at the end of my interest in this line. I'm looking elsewhere these days.

Anybody feel like buying a spare N800 with two 8GB SDHC cards (original packaging too), black silicon skin, two power supplies and a car adapter, GPS kit (mount and external bluetooth GPS unit that communicates to the Wayfinder software on the unit)? Wayfinder is already registered to the N800.

PM me if you're interested in it. Feel free to reply back here in public if you can think of a good reason why I and my friends, family and associates should keep it around anymore. Mind you--I feel pretty let down by Nokia and the involved chip manufacturers and drivers providers.

Den in USA

04-05-2010, 03:41 PM

I suppose. It feels stale, though. I nearly sold off my N800 recently. I'm still on the fence about it and starting to lean again toward selling it off. Between the blatantly anti-consumer attitude (lack of support and communications for existing customers) from Nokia, the aging hardware with very little openness from TI over the hardware accelerated features, and the fact that I'm feeling less and less interested in where Nokia intends to go with their Internet Tablet line (that is.. "it's no longer a tablet!" telephoney stuff)--I'm just about at the end of my interest in this line. I'm looking elsewhere these days.

Anybody feel like buying a spare N800 with two 8GB SDHC cards (original packaging too), black silicon skin, two power supplies and a car adapter, GPS kit (mount and external bluetooth GPS unit that communicates to the Wayfinder software on the unit)? Wayfinder is already registered to the N800.

PM me if you're interested in it. Feel free to reply back here in public if you can think of a good reason why I and my friends, family and associates should keep it around anymore. Mind you--I feel pretty let down by Nokia and the involved chip manufacturers and drivers providers.

I personally think that we NIT users should have gotten a updated N810 instead of the N900. I am still patiently waiting for a Nokia Tablet with maybe a 5 inch display and a super sensitive gps receiver. They might as well throw in a multi-channel garage door opener!

eetimm

04-05-2010, 04:22 PM

gazza_d

04-05-2010, 06:04 PM

I personally think that we NIT users should have gotten a updated N810 instead of the N900. I am still patiently waiting for a Nokia Tablet with maybe a 5 inch display and a super sensitive gps receiver. They might as well throw in a multi-channel garage door opener!

Agreed. But I would argue that there is masses of potential in the N810 in particular, and I feel very strongly that there could and should have been a step 4.5 which was basically Femantle without the fancy Ui, and Phone apps.

I think that all the updated and new apps which shipped with the N900 such as the PIM, media player, photo tagger etc could have been easily backported to the N8x0s. Yes I do know about Mer and Mer^2, but it's a big ask getting the community to push something out on their own.

I'm also slowly moving away from the N8x0s. I have recently swapped my Nokia 6220c symbian 3rd edition for a very cheap Nokia 5230 3.2 touch screen phone, which has now become my device of choice for listening to music/podcasts due to the fact that the phone works with the excellent AD-54 remote headset, and twitter/facebook with Gravity, and satnav with the free Ovi Maps with Navigation which has moved on so far from Wayfinder.

Next device is not until the autumn at the earliest, and may not be an N900 as originally planned, but a symbian or Android device.

danramos

04-06-2010, 05:33 PM

I still have 2 N800's but they are not getting used as much as they once were. I stopped after the 800 and never went with the 810 (I was tied into a Verizon contract and liked their service). Still use them as a music streamer and sometimes surfing device.

I ended up getting a Moto Droid via Verizon (I have to say this quietly, lest I get attacked). I find that every application I used on the N800 has a counterpart on the Droid plus many other applications that I would have loved on my NIT. Yes, I know that I lost the ability to work at the root and am no longer on an "open source" device, but the darn thing just works, quite well, without any additional messing around.

I would love to do something to help extend the usability of my N800s. If there is any way I can help, let me know.

I'm precisely right there with you on pretty much the entire point you're making. I also ended up getting a Motorola Droid--but I bought it as a PHONE.. not for the tablet computing aspect--and for that, it's just been alright. I prefer CMDA/EVDO over GSM (better security, better data connection, better voice, etc) although I think Verizon's CDMA voice implementation is awful in quality, Sprint did it very, very well. That aside, it has managed to replace my N800 even though that wasn't the intention.

Additionally, I'm finding no shortage of support from Motorola, Google and Verizon to help keep my device supported (communications, updates and yes--even ADD-ONS!). Nokia has done an incredibly bad job of supporting customers that purchased their products and it leaves me frustrated since my initial impression was very positive and the potential is HUGE.

I held out for a long time to see if Nokia would produce something to replace the N800--and maybe THIS time they could treat us better. Alas, they did neither.

Don't feel like you should have to whisper that you ended up getting an Android. Nokia should probably know that there are those of us that really wanted to like them but they didn't care about the customer and the customer went elsewhere. Those are the hardest customers to bring back, by the by.

drautzburg

04-14-2010, 07:01 AM

I seond that. my biggest problem with the n810 is the lack of continuity. I don't quite understand why Nokia discontinued OS2008 so quickly. It is certainly not what I expected from a Linux device.

buurmas

04-14-2010, 06:40 PM

Vinh

04-14-2010, 06:58 PM

I seond that. my biggest problem with the n810 is the lack of continuity. I don't quite understand why Nokia discontinued OS2008 so quickly. It is certainly not what I expected from a Linux device.

That's how I felt when my N770 was left behind. My 10 year old GNU/Linux box still runs the latest openSUSE 11.2! Anyway, I installed OS2007HE, Skype, Gizmo5 (hooked up to Google Voice), and the latest microb and I have a pretty good traveling device...

danramos

04-14-2010, 07:45 PM

BTW, I assume that everyone reading this thread knows that we are right in the middle of testing a method of community support for OS2008, but just in case someone didn't I thought I would mention this:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=30648&page=30

Will it allow me to remove all the default Nokia apps that I don't want so that I have the room to install the apps I prefer to have? What about updated drivers and A2DP support? Just wondering when we'll ever get an actual Linux device that CAN even be updated.

speculatrix

04-15-2010, 05:08 PM

[QUOTE=Stskeeps;526232]

I rarely visit the forums much as clicking "new posts" gives me a swamp of n900 conversations; instead of buying an n900 I bought a Fujitsu U2010 aka U820.

* I have a (N800 or N810 or N810W)

= n800, I also have a 770 which I'd like to find a use for

* I'm interested to see and use (fill in) on my device

= I use it for rss feeds, mobile email, VOIP (sipgate), gpodder podcasts, mobile web

* I'm willing to contribute with (finish the sentence)

= writing up stuff in the wiki, testing mer (when a stable release is done) and general things

* If (fill in) would happen, I would then be able to do (fill in)

mer reached at least a beta or release candidate, I would gladly flash it and provide feedback and help to others

speculatrix

04-15-2010, 05:13 PM

I think that what really SHOULD happen is that the ITT site should be reestablished for people who are fans of tablets whether from Nokia or not.

maybe we could petition to have http://talk-n800.maemo.org and copy off all the interesting stuff to it and thus not have to do our best to ignore the n900 drivel^Wchatter ?

Fontus

04-17-2010, 05:14 AM

maybe we could petition to have http://talk-n800.maemo.org and copy off all the interesting stuff to it and thus not have to do our best to ignore the n900 drivel^Wchatter ?This is the best idea I've read on talk.maemo.org since a long time. I am voting with my 2 hands for it.

geneven

04-17-2010, 05:45 AM

Some gutsy person could try starting a site called maybe NEWITT and make it happen. I think the powers that be want ITT to stay dead.

w4csc

04-18-2010, 02:48 PM

[QUOTE=danramos;596698 I nearly sold off my N800 recently. I'm still on the fence about it and starting to lean again toward selling it off. Between the blatantly anti-consumer attitude (lack of support and communications for existing customers) from Nokia...

I, too feel abandoned. I bought a 2nd N800 off Ebay in perfect condition as a spare because the support is gone for $75. He felt abandoned, too.

I've posted to Nokia Labs a suggestion for a Symbian VM for our tablets so we can run Symbian software. I find it very curious we never got one from the company that owns Symbian, while other companies, like Access gave us the great Palm OS VM, Garnet, which I find very useful....sometimes more useful than Maemo.

We're just the trash left over from the big corporation's lunch bag, now. I don't expect to ever see another Maemo anything, like A2DP support for my Motorola S9HD bt stereo headset. I use a Sony TMR-BT10 A2DP transmitter plugged into the N800's earphone jack. They're discontinued, too, but many are available. They transmit any audio source 30' to the BT stereo devices, are rechargeable and very tiny.

Our product line is dead and forgotten. It was a great ride while it lasted. I wish N900 never existed and wouldn't buy one if it were $49 because it will soon be abandoned, too!....The company just operates on whims too much. I hardly ever see an N900 because it's GSM in South Carolina. CDMA rules here......except for iPhone, of course.

derhorst

04-18-2010, 04:46 PM

Great thread! :)

* I have an N800

* I'm interested to see and use a community maintained Maemo on my device, hopefully with functional MBX drivers for gaming in the future.

* I'm willing to contribute with testing, but I'm no dev.

* If a restructuring of TMO would happen, I would then be able to filter out the N900 crap. Im feeling lost, as most subfora are filled with N900 stuff :(

I've just rediscovered my N800 after abandoning it in the drawer for a year. I've waited for Pandora in the meantime ;) I need a new battery and a new screen as it started flickering. Luckily a new screen is just 30 Euros. I've installed some cool things like the IP cam and the webkit replacement engine for microB and really enjoy my device again :D

shin

04-19-2010, 07:15 AM

* I have an n810 and I love it!!

* I'm interested to see and use the Diablo community SSU on my device and also mer reaching a rc stage

* I'm willing to contribute with my efforts for the above and by creating new applications for the great internet tablet ever, which fell out of vogue with the creator :o .. my contributions to this great community, are listed below under my signature..

luca

04-19-2010, 11:57 AM

Luckily a new screen is just 30 Euros.

Where?
I paid 77€ a year and a half ago (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=231735#post231735) but after I bought it the screen was out of stock almost everywhere.

derhorst

04-19-2010, 12:16 PM

^ I've just bought this one:
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250455636338

29.90 Euros, free shipping :)

buurmas

04-19-2010, 01:51 PM

maybe we could petition to have http://talk-n800.maemo.org and copy off all the interesting stuff to it and thus not have to do our best to ignore the n900 drivel^Wchatter ?
That's a bit drastic. I wouldn't be interested in creating yet another login account and missing out on MeeGo news. But I certainly share your dislike for noise. I have been dealing with noise this way:

1. Whenever I find a thread I consider worthwhile, I subscribe to it. I view them in the t.m.o. Control Panel.
2. I have subscribed to various subforums (e.g., N810, OS2008, etc.). I check these on RSS and see all the new posts. If I like one, well, see #1.

All this means I can largely ignore "Active Topics". If anyone has other ideas, see this:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37261

vabgeo

04-19-2010, 05:33 PM

^ I've just bought this one:
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250455636338

29.90 Euros, free shipping :)

I have an N81, N800, N810 and just got an N900 today :D

I had an N900 for a month, and found that I couldnt live with just the N900 - too small screen size for ebooks, battery life too less especially on long flights.

My N800 works kind of okay, but some times gives a weird "USB device not found" notification message which pops up every second.

N810, the touch screen was dead, the display would be inconsistent. I opened up and found that the flat ribbon cable connecting to the LCD was the problem. This ribbon cable is so fixed to the LCD, that I dont see a way of replacing just the cable

Would you by any chance, know of a n810 LCD screen? the cheapest I can find is here (http://www.mytrendyphone.com/shop/nokia-n810-internet-9610p.html) 139usd

verumgero

04-20-2010, 08:34 AM

Would you by any chance, know of a n810 LCD screen? the cheapest I can find is here 139usd

That's outrageous. For a little bit more you can just buy an n810.

So I have to admit that my n810 or "clunk" as he is named has fallen out of use until recently. He has mostly been pulling alarm clock duty. Don't get me wrong I love the device but with my new job the need for mobile computing has really gone down.

derhorst

04-21-2010, 06:35 AM

Sorry vabgeo, I don't know where to get cheap N810 screens.

I got my screen today and put it in. Works like a charm. Fired up Arnim's Exult(Ultima VII), niiiiice :D

jayden

04-22-2010, 11:38 AM

* I have a N800

* I'm interested to see and use on my device
i took many large size pics. it is pretty slow to open them with the media player. i would to see some app can open big size pics really fast, or there is a way to do it.

another thing is the alternative os. i think debian by qole is close, though i hadn't tried it very much

* I'm willing to contribute with (finish the sentence)

* If (fill in) would happen, I would then be able to do (fill in)

devaler

04-22-2010, 08:06 PM

I have an N800.

I'm interested in the continued maintenance and usage of Maemo Mapper.

I'm willing to contribute with testing (it seems I test Maemo Mapper all the time anyway).

If we could find a way to take maptiles downloaded with gmapcatcher and convert them to mm's native format, I would be able to reliably cache and test maps for upcoming trips.

yukop4

04-22-2010, 11:04 PM

spread the word to all internet tablet uses-

a petition is being drawn up to take action against wayfinder and company

i have contacted a law firm in the uk who is willing to help

if you support this action add your name to this list

1. yukop4

Fontus

04-24-2010, 03:46 PM

1. Whenever I find a thread I consider worthwhile, I subscribe to it. I view them in the t.m.o. Control Panel.
2. I have subscribed to various subforums (e.g., N810, OS2008, etc.). I check these on RSS and see all the new posts. If I like one, well, see #1.What should I do if I want to be informed about new themes and applications for my tabled? Should I dig in the 'Themes' and 'Applications' sections of the forum?

This forum was a great place where the N8x0 community was able to talk, discuss and organize itself. There is no such place any more and without it any internet-based community is doomed. I don't think the idea of speculatrix for a new forum is drastic, it is a necessity.

Mixu

04-24-2010, 04:04 PM

What should I do if I want to be informed about new themes and applications for my tabled? Should I dig in the 'Themes' and 'Applications' sections of the forum?

This forum was a great place where the N8x0 community was able to talk, discuss and organize itself. There is no such place any more and without it any internet-based community is doomed. I don't think the idea of speculatrix for a new forum is drastic, it is a necessity.

Exactly, I haven't follower any sub-forums under Software since N900 came out. TMO should have separated Software sub-forums when Maemo5 was released since Diablo and Fremantle were not compatible. But I have feeling that it's already too late for a new forum. But I guess it's one possibility.

silvermountain

04-24-2010, 06:59 PM

I use the program AppWatch on my N810. I use it to see Diablo updates or additions has happened. Very nice and useful.

I doubt we will ever see a useful re-org of this forum. If the request comes up again it will be buried in brainstorming until another year passes.

These days finding useful N810/Diablo posts comes down to luck.

tso

04-24-2010, 07:35 PM

only problems i have with appwatch is

1. its qt based, and so eats up a whole lot of space for just one program

2. its ui is designed for maemo5, not earlier.

attila77

04-24-2010, 07:41 PM

1. I know, sorry. On the bright side, it's still better than if I did it in PyQt (which I honestly contemplated :) )

2. I see two major points, one is the menus and the other that the pre-Fremantle vertical launcher bar gets in the way. I take patches ! :D

burmashave

04-24-2010, 09:05 PM

I've been lurking about since I got my N900 about 4 months ago. One of the reasons why I "upgraded" from the N810 to N900 was that I figured that the N810 would soon become abandonware. On the other hand, I'm so disappointed with my N900 that I'm considering buying a second N810 to have as a backup to the N810 I already have. My N900 is pretty much a paperweight now, and I plan to use my N810 for the foreseeable future.

- I have an N810

- It would be nice to have a community for N800/810 users, but I also hate to see things fork (one of the curses of Linux). My gut feeling is that these boards have transformed toward users with different requirements than was the case for many N800/810 users.

- I am interested in maintenance and improvements. Porting of a few targeted apps. might be good as well.

- I can test and have done this before. I can't code; however, I often hack code to get it to do what I want. I'm pretty sure that I could port applications if I tried; however, I doubt I could do the final touches to make applications usable on an ITT. I am more than familiar with Linux, shell scripting, compiling kernels, etc.

For what's it's worth, I use the Garnet VM a lot and would be willing to pitch in there, especially if it were to become open sourced (not likely).

It's good to know that there are some happy N800/810 out there!

yukop4

04-24-2010, 09:27 PM

i have 2 n810-still use them daily -now that maps has broken down and no gps i am looking around for a 7 inch tablet having bought a garmin to replace the gps function

however fennec is going strong and feed circuit,youamp,and streamtuner get used alnost daily-what i like about the tablets is the hardware side-they are well built machines -i wonder if winmo would have been a better choice

geneven

04-24-2010, 10:19 PM

GeraldKo

04-24-2010, 11:18 PM

The main thing that happened, it seems to me, was that there were a few kinds of users to start with. I would say three types -- fans of Nokia products, people interested in Internet tablets, and developers.

Developers clearly have a major and important role on this site now, fans of Nokia products have a super-important role, and people who are fans of internet tablets are citizens without a country.

There is virtually zero discussion of internet tablets now, and if someone were to start praising some tablet, a war would immediately start in which the tablet fan would automatically be tagged as a winer, as if allegiance was owed to Nokia.

Yes, but ... the thing that has really made this forum so worthless for us tablet users isn't that the N900 isn't a plain tablet but that the N900 and Maemo 5 are incompatible with everything that preceded them. If Nokia had just slipped a cellphone into a Maemo 4 device, the forum would not present us old users with these types of problems.

But the situation is practically like we'd been on a Sun Solaris forum and then last November it was announced that the only new products the forum would deal with would be Windows-based.

In light of the huge discontinuity that came with the N900, we should have been given our own forum or an easy way to see only the non-N900 posts. I've wondered if it was just Reggie was too lazy to do it or if Nokia leaned on him since they have no interest in helping the old tablets continue to flourish. You can say it was just Brainstorm & Bureaucracy, but I think that's too easy. If I'm going to whine, I want something more tangible!

I've had the signature below for a long time, but I've routinely unchecked Show Your Signature since sometime last year when I ... well, gave up.

Whine.

P.S. I hadn't looked in a long time, but for chrissakes, my Solution #1 had 42 FOR votes and 1 AGAINST vote ... and still nothing was done.

Addison

04-25-2010, 12:15 AM

Hey Gerald, make that 44! :D

Burma, I also still use Garnet daily.

Have you seen the keyboard I use for it?

It works perfectly on my end.
http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/6019/screenshot2009121300370.png

buurmas

04-26-2010, 02:19 PM

Since this thread has mentioned Mer & MeeGo, I thought I would link to these threads that suggest that the future for MeeGo on the N8x0 is looking brighter:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=48929
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=622709&postcount=1

buurmas

04-26-2010, 02:28 PM

What should I do if I want to be informed about new themes and applications for my tabled? Should I dig in the 'Themes' and 'Applications' sections of the forum?
Sorry for the late response. I have subscribed to "Applications" and I admit that it's not very useful due to the high volume of N900-related items. Subscribing filters out all the old posts, which helps a bit. But even looking at new posts is a problem. And lots of threads like "Hey, I saw a YouTube video of this game and it looks awesome. I have no idea if it's open-source or closed-source or if it would take weeks or months or years to create and I certainly haven't contacted the game's developers, but can we get it for the N900? Plz? Thx. :D"

This forum was a great place where the N8x0 community was able to talk, discuss and organize itself. There is no such place any more and without it any internet-based community is doomed. I don't think the idea of speculatrix for a new forum is drastic, it is a necessity.
Wouldn't it be easier & better for someone to volunteer to work with Reggie? That way, you're leveraging a large base of users and a large history of discussions. If you start from scratch, how many people will make it over to the new forum? Some of the guys here own every tablet in the Maemo line, including the N900, so they might not WANT a new forum. In short, what if the new forum becomes a ghost town?

buurmas

04-26-2010, 02:41 PM

Will it allow me to remove all the default Nokia apps that I don't want so that I have the room to install the apps I prefer to have? What about updated drivers and A2DP support? Just wondering when we'll ever get an actual Linux device that CAN even be updated.
I think the initial goal is to package & deliver a bunch of "Fixed in Fremantle" bugs to Diablo. I don't know if there is a goal beyond that.

geneven

04-26-2010, 03:01 PM

Sorry for the late response. I have subscribed to "Applications" and I admit that it's not very useful due to the high volume of N900-related items. Subscribing filters out all the old posts, which helps a bit. But even looking at new posts is a problem. And lots of threads like "Hey, I saw a YouTube video of this game and it looks awesome. I have no idea if it's open-source or closed-source or if it would take weeks or months or years to create and I certainly haven't contacted the game's developers, but can we get it for the N900? Plz? Thx. :D"

Wouldn't it be easier & better for someone to volunteer to work with Reggie? That way, you're leveraging a large base of users and a large history of discussions. If you start from scratch, how many people will make it over to the new forum? Some of the guys here own every tablet in the Maemo line, including the N900, so they might not WANT a new forum. In short, what if the new forum becomes a ghost town?

Well, I own the N900 and N810 and N800 and I'd like a new forum. I would still hang out here but also at the new place. Yes, it might turn out to be a ghost town -- better than the current Grand Central Station but almost nobody caring about tablets.

Nokia is paying the bills here. Where is the N810 in their strategy? Nowhere. What do all the assurances about Mer add up to? Not much. Should I install Mer now on my tablet?

I doubt it. I would sure be happy to hear that someone was running Mer and was happy.

buurmas

04-26-2010, 04:22 PM

Another way to check up on Diablo Apps would be to bookmark this page:
http://maemo.org/downloads/updated/OS2008/25/

joshv06

04-26-2010, 04:34 PM

I sold my N810 and went to the N900. I miss my n810, if I had the money, I would carry both, no joke. It had that Geek Coolness factor to it. Loved it.

attila77

04-27-2010, 03:00 AM

Another way to check up on Diablo Apps would be to bookmark this page:
http://maemo.org/downloads/updated/OS2008/25/

The difference is that AppWatch also watches the extras-devel repos, for those that are into that kind of thing :D

danramos

04-27-2010, 03:37 AM

I think the initial goal is to package & deliver a bunch of "Fixed in Fremantle" bugs to Diablo. I don't know if there is a goal beyond that.

Then it disappoints me that so many years later, nearly midway into the year 2010, this is all that we are to expect. I mean.. many of the 'Fixed in Fremantle' stuff was elementary and, by rights, really should have been fixed shortly after the device was released (ESPECIALLY the very same closed-source Nokia proprietary media player and other applications that I just finished ASKING to have simply REMOVED so that I could have the space for the much more useful and better maintained open-source applications).

Clearly any individual or business who purchased an N800/N810 should not expect the same level of support and dedication that Red Hat or Canonical have given even the free and open side of their Linux patrons, nevermind their more profitable business and server patrons. Nokia was responsible for designing and engineering these little devices, I expected MUCH better customer support over these years.

I hope you can understand the appalling feeling that I'm left with after my experiences. Hopefully I'm communicating the urgency of the need for support and communication from Nokia to customers of old and new products alike. Ultimately, I hope they understand I need them less than they need me and I carry my money and influence my associates, friends and family with me, as does every customer who's had a bad experience. Remember that it's the bad experiences that often get talked about and influence future purchasing more than the good experiences.

**deep sigh**

...Or maybe it just doesn't matter to Nokia. In which case, just as well and I'm an idiot for sticking around this long.

rash.m2k

04-27-2010, 03:47 AM

I had the N810 and N800, I'd like to set one up as a p2p downloader, but the problem is that its simply far too slow!

It would be cheaper and easier to get a 7" eee pc as it's got an atom processor.

The N810 rocked when I had but I think it's, very very old tech now.

danramos

04-27-2010, 03:43 PM

The N810 rocked when I had but I think it's, very very old tech now.

Naw.. it just seems like it because it feels abandoned.

silvermountain

04-27-2010, 04:43 PM

The N810 rocked when I had but I think it's, very very old tech now.

I can still do things on the N810 that I can't do on my iPod Touch (the opposite is also true - gaming SUCKS on any NIT when you compare to the iPodtouches/iPhones. :)

tso

04-27-2010, 04:43 PM

It would be cheaper and easier to get a 7" eee pc as it's got an atom processor.
sorry, but the only 7" eeepc i know of have a old celeron mobile under the hood, not a atom...

Optimus

04-27-2010, 04:45 PM

Gief one 810 for free buh-leaze! :o

danramos

04-27-2010, 06:23 PM

Gief one 810 for free buh-leaze! :o

Drunk LOLcat Optimus?? Is that you??

Optimus

04-27-2010, 06:36 PM

Drunk LOLcat Optimus?? Is that you??

Oh my, was I here day before yesterday, had few too many be-heers! :(

maacruz

04-27-2010, 07:42 PM

Naw.. it just seems like it because it feels abandoned.
Truth is, it isn't old at all (two years old is not old), but it is not owned by enough people to make a strong community (and unfortunately many of the most active community members have been lured away by n900). And being a semi closed device doesn't help either.

verumgero

04-28-2010, 09:19 PM

I can still do things on the N810 that I can't do on my iPod Touch (the opposite is also true - gaming SUCKS on any NIT when you compare to the iPodtouches/iPhones. :)

You do have a point about the gaming. I have an iphone and it just outclasses my n810 for gaming. I still prefer my n810 for note taking and what not.

danramos

04-29-2010, 04:54 AM

Truth is, it isn't old at all (two years old is not old), but it is not owned by enough people to make a strong community (and unfortunately many of the most active community members have been lured away by n900). And being a semi closed device doesn't help either.

Old enough, actually. I clearly remember buying my N800 at a CompUSA nearby right in January of 2007. Plenty of time for them to have opened up this damned thing properly to the community.

As for the N900... In that time, we N800's went from OS2006 (pre-OS2007) to OS2007... to OS2008... then nothing for any truly meaningful upgrades. SSU's are nothing more than patches, near as I can tell.. and none of it upgraded the kernel to keep up with the mainline kernel. So... hooray. OS2008... aaaand we're now in 2010 with a whole NEW device to get the new updates while we relegate to being stuck in 2008 with a semi-closed device.

Nice.

nhanquy

04-29-2010, 10:02 AM

... aaaand we're now in 2010 with a whole NEW device to get the new updates while we relegate to being stuck in 2008 with a semi-closed device.

Nice.

Nah. All bugs will be fixed in Fremantle!
Or maybe Harmattan?

UnKle

04-30-2010, 05:07 PM

I only got my 810 in summer of '09, so haven't quite had it a year. I got it because the iTouch I got (and returned) just seemed like it was half-crippled, not supposed to have the ability to do something a real computer would do like using AbiWord or somesuch. And the little Atom-processor lappy I got was difficult to write with while stuck flat out in bed (both legs broken). The one thing I didn't care for in features, being the phone, was not on the 810, which made me happy. I'm like the 3rd person I've ever met that hates their cell phone, lol.

Now the 900 is definitely nice. I've been teetering on getting one or not. But the phone thing keeps throwing me off. I know you don't have to use it, but something about it just being there. Plus the fact I enjoy my 810 quite a lot, even after a year. I use it to write, read blogs, read news, listen to radio, watch videos I converted, play games, and a lot of other. When I travel, it's the first thing I pack. I can hook it up to my externals. I even bought a case (those hardside pocket external cases are perfect) and built some kit for it. Seems it meets my needs and I'm still really happy with it. :)

xircon

05-02-2010, 01:39 AM

I have an N810 and an N810W and love them. I would love to see more apps and I really would like to know how to spoof the WiMAX MAC address of the N810W. I have seen some code on how to spoof the WLAN MAC address but not the WiMAX MAC address. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

ChiaOwl

05-11-2010, 09:06 AM

I only got my 810 in summer of '09, so haven't quite had it a year. ...Plus the fact I enjoy my 810 quite a lot, even after a year. I use it to write, read blogs, read news, listen to radio, watch videos I converted, play games, and a lot of other. When I travel, it's the first thing I pack. ...Seems it meets my needs and I'm still really happy with it. :)

I feel exactly the same way. The 900 does not entice me at all, probably because my N810 isn't lacking in any of the functions for which I bought it. I use it constantly from the time it wakes me in the morning until it puts me to sleep streaming internet radio, for a huge variety of tasks. I understand that there are those who will always feel a need to have the latest and greatest but as long as my N810 is functional and continues to fill so many needs throughout my days, I see no reason whatsoever to replace him...er...it. :D

hordeman

05-12-2010, 03:05 PM

Long live the N8xx tablets!!!

norayr

12-10-2010, 02:25 PM

I have N810,
I use it every day,
even after I purchased N900, I still appreciate N810
Because, actually I do not need phone functionality, and do not use it in N900 either.
I bought N900 as a Maemo5 device for development and tinkering, and I use N810 with Maemo4 almost every day, to tinker, to read mails, to chat, to read blogs, etc

I've installed MeeGo 1.0 but it was too unusable, waiting for the next port inpatiently.

cstryon

12-10-2010, 08:36 PM

epage

12-10-2010, 09:11 PM

The size of the Maemo 4.1 userbase is something I've been wondering about. I've been making sure all of my apps still run on it. A concern I have is what to do when I try to use newer functionality without an analog in the older APIs.

geneven

12-10-2010, 09:19 PM

I'll have to try HiveMind on my N810...

rlinfati

12-10-2010, 11:56 PM

i'm still use my n800 :)

SD69

12-12-2010, 10:17 AM

Nice to see the n810 winning over the n900 once in a while :)I didn't buy the N900. I still have difficulty deciding what to buy next.

ammyt

12-12-2010, 10:21 AM

oh for god sake:
I swear loyalty to my N810
May lightning strike me if i support any competitors
I raise my sight crying mercy to god
Is this the format? :p

ericsson

12-12-2010, 10:34 AM

I have a N800, but never use it anymore :( I turn it on every other month or something, but lets face it, it is old and outdated.

SD69

12-12-2010, 11:00 AM

I have a N800, but never use it anymore :( I turn it on every other month or something, but lets face it, it is old and outdated.If you're talking about cpu/graphics/lack of 3G data, then sure. I would like to see an N8x0-like device with these updates, but it still doesn't exist in my opinion.

tso

12-12-2010, 01:38 PM

SD69

12-12-2010, 06:14 PM

i would not mind seeing a new cpu, but i have no need for built in mobile connectivity. Things get badly expensive that way, as they invariable get a premium slapped on them to make the carrier contracts look good.
I don't need 3G either (as long as I can tether), just recognizing that most mobile devices being introduced now have it.

gerbick

12-12-2010, 06:33 PM

auouymous

12-13-2010, 09:30 AM

N900 screen is too small. The n810 isn't perfect but it is the best there is!

Avimone

12-16-2010, 12:46 AM

hello, i have a n8, i was wondering how to get google voice to work on it using wi-fi. is it possible?

urnass

12-16-2010, 01:48 PM

I have a N800

I still used my device for browsing, contacts and light office work

I have few software development skills, but can always provide feedback

I always appreciate update applications for Diablo & still have dreams that someday an usable external display method will be developed.

Sadly, my original battery is in it's final phases of life - I'll have to make a decision to get a new one or just use my BB instead.

ericsson

12-16-2010, 01:55 PM

N800 with the newest Opera rocks :) I had given up on the N800, but it has come back to life.

septentriones

12-19-2010, 01:11 AM

I have and n810 and n770 (now in a drawer)

I use this device mostly to surf the web, check, email, and play some games

I am interested in in being able to use more recent games and apps (n900) and accelerated web browsing/video

I am not experrienced (at all) with programming but I am ready to do whatever I can (testing software and instructions or trying to pick up some simple skills that could help)

I love these devices especially the n810 (in fact I am using it to post here) so you have my moral support at the very least for whatever
it's worth

danramos

12-19-2010, 01:49 AM

I (sadly) finally got rid of my N810 and the sole reason was because of some of the slowness around tasks that I would use started seeming slower and slower. Not that it was slowing down, but my cellphone (Samsung Captivate) was gaining on it's functionality.

Loved the screen better than the N900, loved the form factor better than the N900... would have KILLED for a CPU update and would have loved for 3D integration and/or utilization. The N810 was superior in all but processing power to the N900 imho.

Sadly what I'm using to replace it - either my Captivate or my iPad - don't really come close to it.

I agree on EVERY point. I only ever pull out my N800 when I feel like scratching a specific itch that only the N800 might be able to scratch.. but that's also increasingly less and less as times goes on and I've really gotten both of my Android devices to do more and more.

TimeLord

12-20-2010, 02:03 AM

From the moment I purchased my N810 I kept hoping that they would at least get a version of Skype working with the camera. Or the camera working at all. Or the gps system working reliably! I have been pulling it out about every 6 months & checking the current OS version to see if I can flash it to a more current release. No action there for quite awhile... Now I see the Mer project has been mothballed and Meego (its replacement) is not going to be available for anything prior to the N900. Guess I will see if I can locate all of the original packing materials and sell it on E-Bay since it seems to be relegated to official Persona non Grata status by both Nokia and Maemo.

onion

12-21-2010, 04:27 AM

I use my N810 for all my openstreetmap mapping I do with the car, screen is nice and large.

eneitten usr XD

12-24-2010, 01:38 PM

im here people the N810 still alive and kikin we need more suppoort for everything N810 related fix it all i love all the apps u guys make a good allaround device just gotta fix more bugs i could use some tips on why i keep loosing internal memory space dont know why i need all kids of tips

jmcd565

12-26-2010, 04:34 PM

Hello all,

I've been lurking for a bit and just joined. I haven't found posts that really address my question. I don't have an n810 but am thinking of purchasing one. I've wanted one for a while, but until recently they've been out of my price range. Now they're more affordable and I'm around wi-fi more often than not.

Here's my question: Given that I have no coding experience and am a long way from being a computer geek, would an n810 still be good for me? My needs are fairly simple: web browsing and checking e-mail. Simple word processing would be great, but is not a requirement. Being an Opera freak, I'd love to install that if it's not beyond my capabilities.

So, what do you all think? Is the n810 something I can use out of the box or do I need to be skilled in Linux to use and appreciate tis beauty? Thanks in advance for your advice.

Anton

Ordinary

12-26-2010, 11:34 PM

Given that I have no coding experience and am a long way from being a computer geek, would an n810 still be good for me? My needs are fairly simple: web browsing and checking e-mail. Simple word processing would be great, but is not a requirement. Being an Opera freak, I'd love to install that if it's not beyond my capabilities.

I've had my n800 for a bit and though it has its shortcomings, it does email and browsing very well. You may have to look up mobile versions of sites that you use a bit, but you'll probably like it just fine. Opera is a cinch to install.

jmcd565

12-27-2010, 06:28 PM

I figure since I'm set on buying an 810, the least I could do is fill this out. Also, as someone else mentioned, in spite of being legacyware/outdated/etc. The n810 still seems to be the best IT available at its present price point, abt $125US on ebay.

Please use this form:

* I have a (N800 or N810 or N810W)

Planning on buying an n810.

* I'm interested to see and use (fill in) on my device

Light web browsing and email. Certainly my needs are more modest than ChiaOwl's..... The main concern is that if I have 5 minutes of down time, I can whip out my n810 and do 4 min 30 sec. of surfing and e-mail. i CAN'T do that with my windows netbook...

* I'm willing to contribute with (finish the sentence)

I can be a guinea pig to see if software is ready for end users who can 'follow the bouncing ball' for instructions but can't do more than that (not tech-savvy enough).

* If (fill in) would happen, I would then be able to do (fill in)

see above and my previous post.

Thanks again,

Anton

GeraldKo

12-27-2010, 07:07 PM

jmcd565:

For email, at least if you use webmail, it's fine. (It may be fine for more than webmail, I know only about webmail since it's all I've used for years on even on my desktop computer.) I use tear (yet another browser) for GMail, with a link specifically for Webkit browsers:

https://mail.google.com/mail/x/gdlakb-/gp/?shva=1

Opera Mobile runs very nicely, and it's easy to install it.

I use tear for speed and GMail; Opera for some websites; and, if I have to download or install something, microb (the default browser).

I hope you enjoy your new N810. I still think the devices are pretty cool.

cstryon

12-27-2010, 07:59 PM

...
I use tear (yet another browser) for GMail, with a link specifically for Webkit browsers:

https://mail.google.com/mail/x/gdlakb-/gp/?shva=1

.

I tried this link in tear, and in microB using the webkit-eal engine. It's awesome!
Are their more webkit friendly versions of common websites? Also, is there a way I could tell either browser to default to webkit friendly versions if available?

sarah11918

01-20-2011, 11:28 AM

Very late to the thread here and haven't participated much in the forums since internettablettalk redirected here. Always found this layout more difficult to navigate and sort of lost interest.

I have an N810 that I bought as soon as it was released and hubby bought an iPod Touch at the same time so the two could "fight it out" and we'd see which one was the better buy. For the first year or two, N810 won in both our minds because it did so much more.

The one program I can't live without is xournal. I use the N810 for handwritten notes and also for signing documents while on the road. For all that iPod touches do now, it still can't do that. I also much prefer the physical keyboard to apple's on screen keyboard, so when it comes to email from a pocket device, it's either the N810 or the E71 Nokia smartphone. Never, ever the iPod touch, which I don't really like for anything other than games.

So what I'm mostly interested in for maintenance/future development is taking advantage of the handwriting features and paperless office concept and basic connectivity for things like email/twitter/web/chat. The N810 even outperforms the iPad (which hubby has) in terms of pdf annotation. I have an Entourage Edge dual screen LCD/e-ink tablet that is developing nicely but quite large and 3 lbs. I think its "Journal" program is probably some variation of xournal, just running on an e-ink screen. The N810 is pocketable and easier to always have on me for just running around doing errands, so it still sees some playing time.

I'm not a developer, so no technical skills. But I'm a notch above "user" and follow directions well. Hubby's a developer, so if I get him interested I can ask for help if I flounder.

Anyway, just wanted to add my voice to those who are still using their N810, even years later!

stevieg

01-20-2011, 02:37 PM

Still using mine. In fact, I'm just about to reflash and have a play about with the community Diablo project.

I became disenchanted with the whole NIT thing when Nokia abandoned the N8xx products by the end of 2008, but still use it for the occasional road trip and such. I still like to check out new programs and see if there are any new developments (which there haven't been many over the last year).

Still it's a cracking piece of kit let down by Nokia's complete lack of support for the development community, and the prevailing 3g networks over free wifi.

Still just due to money, and the fact that there really isn't anything out there that offers what the N810 does, I'll be sticking with my swiss army knife of portable tablet computers for a while.

xopher

01-21-2011, 10:57 AM

Shameless plug...I have mine up for sale in the FS forum for $120 with 8GB SDHC, original soft case, stylus + 2 chargers in very good to excellent condition.

I will say when I picked it up and started playing with it to take photos I was having 2nd, 3rd, and 4th thoughts. It makes a great remote wireless keyboard/mouse combo via BlueMaemo which became my N810's primary use over the past 6 months since getting my N900. If no one buys it I will still not be sad to keep it around. :)

fixerdave

02-07-2011, 04:49 AM

I still use mine every day, all the time... but I'm a bit of a geek.

I use Quick-Clip mostly... I've written some Perl scripts that make it function as a journal. The scripts let me back it up a couple of times per month while transferring over my "action items" (Dave Allen's version of a Todo list). Other scripts allow me to search both the current journal and all the rest. Basically, what I'm saying is that the N810 is a Linux pocket computer and I can make it do what I want. I don't need to be a developer, I don't need to pay a developer... I just need to know a little bit about scripting and how to rip through a plain old text file. This makes me happy. This is why I picked the N810.

Most of the N810 is like that... if you just think of it as a neat little computer, and are willing to work with it's quirks, well, it's a neat little computer. To make appointments, I put an action-item in my journal. Then, when I have time and am online, I post that appointment to Google Calendar as an all day event. Then, sooner or later I sync mcalendar up to this, and maybe edit the subject to include the appointment time. Why? Because it takes forever to make an appointment in mcalendar and because mcalendar screws up DST when syncing with Google, twice a year. Like I said, if you're willing to work with the quirks...

The only thing that really annoys me about it is how fast (and completely) it got dumped when the N900 came out. I mean, Nokia could at LEAST give us a flash update so YouTube is usable again.

I'm actually thinking about re-flashing again (first time in years) and I'm a little concerned that all the apps I use are still available. I mean, I depend on this thing for daily life... I'd really miss Dilbert and XKCD on the morning trip to the bathroom ;)

tso

02-07-2011, 12:53 PM

The only thing that really annoys me about it is how fast (and completely) it got dumped when the N900 came out. I mean, Nokia could at LEAST give us a flash update so YouTube is usable again.

You can blame that on Nokia handing out free devices at their dev conference, as well as providing cheap devices for active community members.

What i would have loved to see was a microb update that did not use the blow as molasses JS engine. Tho i guess i can live with webkit/tear.

Grimmer

02-08-2011, 02:46 PM

Another long time lurker reporting.
I have N800 (along with my N900).

I am hoping to see the community SSU happening and people keeping this piece of hardware usable as long as possible.

I recently installed latest community SSU to my n800, advance-system-ui, new launcher, new fremantle like theme, easy debian and opera. And voila my N800 is looking and acting like a brand new device.

I can help on testing software and even a bit shell scripting / coding if anyone needs help.

Thanks everyone for hard efforts for keeping this thing alive for so long after nokia abandoned it.

gazza_d

02-13-2011, 03:58 AM

picked my N810 in anger again after installing Diabloturbo - Vengenge edition. This has brought the performance right back up there, and reallh makes the device fly. in real terms it does not feel far of my N900 now.

Also installed the advanced system UI, also really cool and is a great addition to the devices.

these devices are great and hnave some advantages and features which the 900 has not scratched.

notably:
hardware task switch and full screen buttons
auto away on the IM.
a screen and keyboard of a decent size- love the N900 but sometimes its a bit small.

edit: forgot about
internet radio applet.
decent scrolling RSS reader applet

elimoon8

02-16-2011, 09:56 AM

pkilpo

02-16-2011, 10:09 AM

I use N810 with MaemoMapper + topomaps in my enduro motorcycle as a navigator.

cstryon

02-16-2011, 10:15 AM

Does anyone know if the really old tutorials for installing to sd card still work? I'm thinking about reflashing my n810 so that I can try one of the turbo kernels, but I think the program to install to sd card was in qole's repo (and I'm not sure that it is still online).

Search the threads for console tools. Penguin Baits tools. I just used them last night after a reflash to boot from sd. Also installed the diablo turbo beta. Yet again someone keeps breathing new life into my nit.

J-Morris

05-06-2011, 09:59 AM

I still use my N810 on a regular basis. I don't have a smart phone or an iDevice so my N810 comes in handy often.

I use it to connect to wireless networks and although I haven't used it much, I can use Optimum wifi to connect when I'm out and about. I sometimes use it to listen to internet radio or as an mp3 player. It gets a lot of use as an emulator, letting me play Gameboy Advance games and SNES games (only with legal ROMs of course!).

At first I used the GPS, but now I never use it. I installed the community SSU updates and just downloaded the Klingon theme.