Nokia promises N900 will get MeeGo! Or perhaps not.

[mtreacy13]

http://meego.com/

What are all your hopes/fears for the future of the n900 and Meego?

From what I've read/seen so far I'm pretty optimistic.

Thoughts?

[Ali_rshojakhani]

With not much more than mearly a few months of the release of n900 and maemo 5, the maemo team are already going towards MeeGo... how do you hink it would effect the consumers and the the whole maemo 5 project...
IMO nokia has done a Bad job supporting the maemo 5 os [although it being somewhat open source]... nokia maemo-select's wallpapers and themes are still saying coming soon, prisimic wallpaper maker is still not done... the n900 still has a whole lot of bugs to be fixed...
what would become of this community trying so hard too achieve a great tablet/phone experience???

I am a proud owner of an n900 and i love my phone.... i just want to know if purchasing an n900 at such a high price was a mistake... or a decission made too soon??

[Bratag]

With not much more than mearly a few months of the release of n900 and maemo 5, the maemo team are already going towards MeeGo... how do you hink it would effect the consumers and the the whole maemo 5 project...
IMO nokia has done a Bad job supporting the maemo 5 os [although it being somewhat open source]... nokia maemo-select's wallpapers and themes are still saying coming soon, prisimic wallpaper maker is still not done... the n900 still has a whole lot of bugs to be fixed...
what would become of this community trying so hard too achieve a great tablet/phone experience???

I am a proud owner of an n900 and i love my phone.... i just want to know if purchasing an n900 at such a high price was a mistake... or a decission made too soon??

Well I will tell you one thing for sure. Creating a new damn thread for this question when there is a perfectly good and active thread, currently in the process of trying to answer this question, is a bloody stupid idea.

[Rob1n]

With not much more than mearly a few months of the release of n900 and maemo 5, the maemo team are already going towards MeeGo... how do you hink it would effect the consumers and the the whole maemo 5 project...
IMO nokia has done a Bad job supporting the maemo 5 os [although it being somewhat open source]... nokia maemo-select's wallpapers and themes are still saying coming soon, prisimic wallpaper maker is still not done... the n900 still has a whole lot of bugs to be fixed...
what would become of this community trying so hard too achieve a great tablet/phone experience???

I am a proud owner of an n900 and i love my phone.... i just want to know if purchasing an n900 at such a high price was a mistake... or a decission made too soon??

I don't see how it makes any difference - the issues with MeeGo are pretty much the same as those with Maemo 6. There may be one or two added issues with changes to packaging formats, and possibly to things like init scripts, but these are issues that the vast majority of current Linux software already faces and deals with.

[Pretoriano]

I'm optimistic too. I think this can be a very good thing

[Bingley Joe]

Well I will tell you one thing for sure. Creating a new damn thread for this question when there is a perfectly good and active thread, currently in the process of trying to answer this question, is a bloody stupid idea.

Since you're feeling helpful, how about posting a bloody link to that perfectly good goddamnbastard thread? :p





Like, say.. this one:

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=44546

[chrisp7]

Its showing the N900 as a reference to Maemo. I dont think you can take anything whatsoever from that.

personally Im very concerened for the N900's future. Yes it will get QT apps and some slight improvements but not enough imo. Maemo 5 seems more and more like an ugly ducking.

[bret hart]

Why cant people realise that companys dont simply work on one platfrom at a time. Microsoft would have been working on Windows 8 before 7 even hit the shelves, did that mean Microsoft are abandoning 7? Of course not.

[TA-t3]

A third thread.. at least.
I posted about the content in the other thread, so here I'll just mention that I think the name is pretty bad.

[Matan]

But Nokia have never released an update to an older Maemo based system after a new version was released, so what Microsoft does is irrelevant, and what Nokia does (and will do) is relevant.

According to Maemo history, once a device with Maemo 6 is out, Maemo 5 will be ignored. If N900 does not get Maemo 6, it means that it will be ignored.

[mullf]

Well I will tell you one thing for sure. Creating a new damn thread for this question when there is a perfectly good and active thread, currently in the process of trying to answer this question, is a bloody stupid idea.

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=527166&postcount=48

[stayloa]

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2359259,00.asp

[Ali_rshojakhani]

Why cant people realise that companys dont simply work on one platfrom at a time. Microsoft would have been working on Windows 8 before 7 even hit the shelves, did that mean Microsoft are abandoning 7? Of course not.

but did they announce it so soon?? did they say theres goingto be a new windows release in less than a year??

lets just hope they think about the people [ like me ] who have high hopes on the n900 that has so muc raw power and potential. being an open source and depending only on the "Consumers and hackers" is not enough for a device to rise and shine.

[bret hart]

But Nokia have never released an update to an older Maemo based system after a new version was released, so what Microsoft does is irrelevant, and what Nokia does (and will do) is relevant.

According to Maemo history, once a device with Maemo 6 is out, Maemo 5 will be ignored. If N900 does not get Maemo 6, it means that it will be ignored.

Your are right. I cant remember nokia updating the OS on a phone ever through firmware releases, so if you are realisitic you shouldnt expect anything extra from the N900 except for bug fixes. I dont think Nokia have ever said otherwise and you have to accept their business revolves around people replacing theire devices every so often.

[bret hart]

but did they announce it so soon?? did they say theres goingto be a new windows release in less than a year??

lets just hope they think about the people [ like me ] who have high hopes on the n900 that has so muc raw power and potential. being an open source and depending only on the "Consumers and hackers" is not enough for a device to rise and shine.



Oh boy, I dont mean to be a killjoy but all your hopes are wasted. Nokia will not be adding much on the way of new features to the N900. What you see is pretty much all you will get.

[leetut]

Well I will tell you one thing for sure. Creating a new damn thread for this question when there is a perfectly good and active thread, currently in the process of trying to answer this question, is a bloody stupid idea.
its an even stupider idea to try and talk down to someone like you did there mate, i actually find some of the comments said to other members on this forum as totally disgusting, and absolutely disrespectful, why does everyone here have such a terrible attitude to eachother?

[jobber99]

from my understanding, this is a good thing--it's an open OS that can be shoehorned into as many devices as possible (like android). ARM, x86, you name it.
so this can only be good for the n900--this means (unlike the MAEMO 4 -> MAEMO 5 compatibility break we got with the N800/810) that we can enjoy future OS upgrades to the current device

[oskarmat]

Do you guys actually use the n900? or you're just waiting,... waiting for Godot?

[daperl]

why does everyone here have such a terrible attitude to eachother?

They smell funny? Well, that's my reason.

[noneof]

I believe everyone has known moblin and maemo are merging. As a user of N900, I was sad and sorrowful. From the nokia.com, meego.com and intel.com, we've already known that N900 is the last device (and first:(:(:() which runs Maemo 5 OS. In other words, Maemo 5 is a transitional step walking by NOKIA :mad: However, because of the design of hardware of N900 and Nokia's benefit, this device can probably NOT be updated to Meego (note: Maemo 6 doesn't exist any longer). All of these mean WE ARE ORPHANS. Nobody is gonna take of us...:(:(
Let's cry...There are less and less softwares we could use; there are more and more bugs we will find. What a tragedy!
Let me use this word "囧" to describe my current feeling!!!

[sjgadsby]

The thread "▲【MeeGo bore 丨and丨N900 died】★" with one post has been merged into this thread.

[ColonelKilkenny]

They smell funny? Well, that's my reason.

I don't know about the smell, but when for an example the whole N900 area of this forum is full of total *something* it's quite easy to get irritated with POSTS THAT USE CAPSLOCK OR BOLD THE WHOLE TEXT. And usually the content of those posts is a bit irritating as well... :mad:

[bonerp]

I find it so annoying that we have yet another post which has been repeated several times elsewhere.

What is even more annoying is simply that so many of you can't see beyond the end of your own noses! Why would Nokia drop its flagship device?? Its proactively promoting it in shops, theres rumour of a couple of extra updates soon, and now they have tied up with Moblin to combine efforts and create meego.

Seems the right thing to do to me, create a challenger to other phone OS's, pool resource and cut their own costs. In this present day, meeting cost saving targets whilst delivery of state of the art device and future devs is hardly something to be so negative about is it? I'm quite excited at this change and to me proves that Nokia is being proactive about the future.

[luca]

From what I've read/seen so far I'm pretty optimistic.


You must be new here :p

[luca]

we can enjoy future OS upgrades to the current device

You too must be new here :D

[pagesix1536]

With a dumb name like that...this OS better rock this s@*t out of everything else on the market, or else!

[Quindor]

You too must be new here :D

Well actually, that used to be the case, because you could not get the source or other components to build it for your own hardware.

From what I understand this system will be fully open-source and so porting it back to the N900 should be a more possible task then ever before...

Still wondering if it will happen, agree with that, but at least possibilities are open, instead of fully closed, like it used to be. :)

[gobuki]

Just to resolve all doubt. According to this webpage (http://www.infosyncworld.com/news/n/10813.html) Nokia said that we will get MeeGo on our N900s.

During a press event at the Mobile World Congress, Nokia and Intel announced the MeeGo platform, a merge of Maemo and Moblin. MeeGo will be rolled out on Media phones, Netbooks, Pocketables/Handhelds, In-car entertainment systems as well as Connected TVs. The MeeGo Technical Steering Group talks about the new platform in a video here.

The first version of MeeGo will be available in the second half of 2010, and Nokia promises a product that builds on the Nokia N900 to begin with. By using the Qt framework, MeeGo will ensure that third-party developers will be available to reach the wide range of product types mentioned above.


Very interesting development.
I'm sitting back to see what's coming. :D

Edit: At a second thought you might also read it like Nokia will buid an N9xx. :eek:

[fatalsaint]

I saw this coming. When I read that the VP said the N900 will not get "Maemo 6" it seemed to me he said it in such a way that implied it will get something.. just not that.

Then when I read this announcement I figured it was a matter of time before that came out.

However, strangely enough, that quote says MeeGo first will be available second half 2010 which is the same time the M6 device is due - so are they doing both at the same time? What's the logic in that?

[mrojas]

Just to resolve all doubt. According to this webpage (http://www.infosyncworld.com/news/n/10813.html) Nokia said that we will get MeeGo on our N900s.




Very interesting development.
I'm sitting back to see what's coming. :D

Edit: At a second thought you might also read it like Nokia will buid an N9xx. :eek:

That "builds on" can very well mean that they will just use the experience acquired in the N900 for the next lineup of the software and hardware, not that the N900 will have MG.

From the gossip I have read, Maemo 6 betas run on the N900, but with no multi-touch, that being the biggest hurdle on Nokia deciding if they will work to finds ways to support it without multitouch, or leave that to the community.

[lfcobra]

However, strangely enough, that quote says MeeGo first will be available second half 2010 which is the same time the M6 device is due - so are they doing both at the same time? What's the logic in that?

Thats exactly what I was wondering. I mean if MeeGo is suppose to be Maemo+Moblin why would you try to continue developing the individual product instead of the combined whole? Very odd if you ask me.

[Matan]

No. Nokia does not promise that. It is easy to tell by the fact that there is no quote from a Nokia person that includes the words "Meego will work on N900". What you really have is some writer's interpretation of some weasel words from some Nokia PR guy.

[jobber99]

You too must be new here :D

i am HOPING anyway...wasn't it the case that the Nokia N770s weren't going to be getting tablet OS2008, but eventually did? hope that's the same deal here.

[tkm]

I think it doesn't really matter. Nowadays a phone lives 1 year before it is outdated...maybe 2. In a year from now the telecom provider will make you a deal with a new phone that won't be a N900 but its successor. I will buy the MeeGo phone.
I think...if you can make Qt apps for the N900 then you can for its successor.
Although...there is a slight feeling of betrayal the overall feeling is that this will be interesting times.
If you can make great Qt mobile apps on the N900 you will be king of the hill on MeeGo.
Until MeeGo is out that is what I will trying.

Regards,

Theo

[benny1967]

Thats exactly what I was wondering. I mean if MeeGo is suppose to be Maemo+Moblin why would you try to continue developing the individual product instead of the combined whole? Very odd if you ask me.

Maemo 6 is MeeGo, they said so several times.

[gerbick]

Gotta agree with Matan here.

Until it's said, in those words from Nokia; I'd not believe it.

[Matan]

BTW, the OP should change the title of the thread, so that people who "research" before buying will not be bitterly surprised when the supposed promise is not fulfilled.

[HumanPenguin]

that builds on the Nokia N900 to begin with.

Yeah to a developer that sounds like it will be built for the N900

But it is much more likely to be marketing speech for a product that is built on from the N900

The quote I saw is Nokia doesn't know if they will develop for the N900 but is sure the community will back port it if they do not.

Much as they said for Maemo5 on the N8xx

It might be worth us posting this to as many Nokia PR agents as possible with the question dose that mean we will defiantly get MeeGo on our N900s.

Nokia should still be responsive to customers desires. They do after all wand to sell new phones and keeping there current customers happy is the best way to get more sales in 2 years or so.

A fact they seem to forget with their Warranty department.

[johnel]

Yeah to a developer that sounds like it will be built for the N900

But it is much more likely to be marketing speech for a product that is built on from the N900

The quote I saw is Nokia doesn't know if they will develop for the N900 but is sure the community will back port it if they do not.

Much as they said for Maemo5 on the N8xx

It might be worth us posting this to as many Nokia PR agents as possible with the question dose that mean we will defiantly get MeeGo on our N900s.

Nokia should still be responsive to customers desires. They do after all wand to sell new phones and keeping there current customers happy is the best way to get more sales in 2 years or so.

A fact they seem to forget with their Warranty department.

The great thing about the MeeGo announcement is that other hardware manufacturers will build devices for the platform.

This means an alternative to Nokia.

You can switch from Nokia-made devices to someone else and the software should hopefully be compatible.

[patstew]

Why is everyone being so negative about this? Firstly all the promises of openness are good, because it might mean the community can get it working on the N900 even if nokia don't. Secondly, this will almost certainly delay maemo 6 if there's to be any significant code merge, which will in turn delay the end of support of maemo 5 which is feared around here.

[Laughing Man]

Based on Ari's blog.

http://jaaksi.blogspot.com/2010/02/this-is-next-step-step-forward.html

We will absolutely not forget N900 users and developers. If you are a developer, develop on N900 with Qt and your apps will run on MeeGo devices. If you are an N900 owner (or an owner wannabee) this is all good for you. All the MeeGo and Qt momentum will give you many more interesting applications to run on N900. Now and in the future.

Seems to me that the N900 will not be running Maemo 6 or MeeGo but rather it will benefit from running the cross-compatible QT apps developed across the various MeeGo platforms.

[NokiaRocks]

I don't need Maemo 6/MeeGo as long there are enough apps and updates for Maemo 5.

[Mr_Hat]

I've spent 600 Euro...I NEED Meego or Maemo 6....it's a MUST, for consumers that spent much much money on a device like N900...and a few months later read news like this...

[zfarooq]

agree with mr. hat.

Other platforms are doing it, they understand when you spend large amounts of cash on apple/android/palm that people expect an upgrade, even if its from 1.0 to 3.0 and costs $15.

Maemo 6 should work with N900, based on same processor and I am sure they can work around the multitouch.

[FranzDages]

I've spent 600 Euro...I NEED Meego or Maemo 6....it's a MUST, for consumers that spent much much money on a device like N900...and a few months later read news like this...

Not to sound nasty about the whole NEED and MUST in there, but you do realize that unless your buying from some Government black ops, than wether you spend 6 Euro or 6000 Euro, by the time you take your knew device out of the box it is outdated and obsolete. You can't really demand inprovement. Yes, I hope we do get updates still for the N900 (I love mine).

[craftyguy]

Maemo 6 is MeeGo, they said so several times.

I'm curious, where did you see this at? I haven't seen any "official" word on that in my (all of) 5min of searching.


I suppose it doesn't really matter though, since Nokia likes to keep us in the dark about Maemo 6/Meego and N900. I guess now that Intel is on board, I'll be able to find out what is actually going on without having to wait on Nokia :)

[fatalsaint]

Maemo 6 is MeeGo, they said so several times.

I thought they simply said Maemo 6 was going to be MeeGo compatible... not that it was MeeGo..

[jobber99]

Not to sound nasty about the whole NEED and MUST in there, but you do realize that unless your buying from some Government black ops, than wether you spend 6 Euro or 6000 Euro, by the time you take your knew device out of the box it is outdated and obsolete. You can't really demand inprovement. Yes, I hope we do get updates still for the N900 (I love mine).

you can if the device is 3 months old AND nokia's been advertising it all over the place. it's not about obsoleting a device naturally, this is like going freakin' dr. krivorkian on it as an infant. usually a device life cycle ends when the device's hardware is too old to keep up. the n900 ain't that yet.
and i know, it's comparing APPLES to freakin' oranges, but this is 2010 and iphone OS, blackberry OS, Android OS, and Windows (before 7) ALL can be loaded on the older phones. this is not 2005 with symbian 6.1 where you gotta buy a new phone to get a new FW.
it's implicit that a flagship phone shouldn't be cut out from underneath it.

[Guber99]

Will this Meego provision me?

[gill_za]

I really do hope that n900 gets a maemo6/meego update, but even if it will not the device is great and there is always Mer?

[silvermountain]

I really do hope that n900 gets a maemo6/meego update, but even if it will not the device is great and there is always Mer?

I'd like to extend my welcome to N900 as another legacy device now only having Mer to 'hope for' :)

Welcome!

[schettj]

Qt is the key here folks. Qt running on maemo 5, Qt on maemo 6, Qt on Meego. Qt on Linux. Qt. Q.... t.

That there is the key. This is the reason you go with an open platform. Because, well, the apps - they just totally, like, compile & run.

[gerbick]

you can if the device is 3 months old AND nokia's been advertising it all over the place. it's not about obsoleting a device naturally, this is like going freakin' dr. krivorkian on it as an infant. usually a device life cycle ends when the device's hardware is too old to keep up. the n900 ain't that yet.
and i know, it's comparing APPLES to freakin' oranges, but this is 2010 and iphone OS, blackberry OS, Android OS, and Windows (before 7) ALL can be loaded on the older phones. this is not 2005 with symbian 6.1 where you gotta buy a new phone to get a new FW.
it's implicit that a flagship phone shouldn't be cut out from underneath it.

It happens. You just have to have faith that this step 4 out of 5 - you did your research, right? - will continue to be supported.

That's yet to be stated. Chin up. Nobody 'wants' or 'needs' anything unless you've made up your mind to think as such.

It works today, so be happy with what you got. That's part of the Maemo "start, stop, restart, drop" method. Been there twice so far. Sorta glad I missed this heartache in the making.

But... I doubt that people will be as left behind as they think. That's my opinion. Patience is required.

[geohsia]

Not to sound nasty about the whole NEED and MUST in there, but you do realize that unless your buying from some Government black ops, than wether you spend 6 Euro or 6000 Euro, by the time you take your knew device out of the box it is outdated and obsolete. You can't really demand inprovement. Yes, I hope we do get updates still for the N900 (I love mine).

I'm not sure I agree. In this day and age instant obsolescence applies to hardware and not so much software. This is not about a being replaced by something better like faster CPUs in a computer or more Megapixels for cameras. Smartphones are purchased now with the expectation of an ecosystem that we can have a future in. Why would a developer work on Maemo 5 when they know that Maemo 6 and Meego is the future?

If Nokia is so quick to obsolete a platform, why would developers choose Maemo / Meego when they can go with Android / iPhone which has an arguably clearer future.

I know that QT has been thrown around but I am not yet convinced that it will solve these divergent platform issues. Plus there are other platform issues on the N900 that can't be solved with QT

Personally I see no reason why Maemo 5 and 6 should co-exist in the market when Meego is the future. They should

a) merge all changes from Maemo 6 back into 5 which is probably not possible
or
b) move all Maemo 5 quickly into Maemo 6

Having a single Maemo OS for all Nokia N9## won't be easy but I think would be much more comforting to users and developers and give them the customer base they're looking for to compete with the iPhones and Androids of the world.

[geohsia]

Qt is the key here folks. Qt running on maemo 5, Qt on maemo 6, Qt on Meego. Qt on Linux. Qt. Q.... t.

That there is the key. This is the reason you go with an open platform. Because, well, the apps - they just totally, like, compile & run.

So you mean like the Microbrowser and Firefox will one day be written in QT? What about the file manager, media player and etc? Will everything be in QT? What about the phone app. I'm still waiting for them to turn on the front camera for use with Skype. Will QT solve that?

Maybe QT solves the turn-by-turn maps problem. Great. I really need that (esp. outside the US) but what about the rest of the platform?

Yes I knew it wasn't perfect when I bought it but I think it is reasonable that we expect base functionality to improve and get stable. QT certainly isn't going to fix battery drain issues or improve the indexing on music.

Tell me I'm wrong. I'd be happy to hear that QT will solve all of those problems.

[schettj]

Tell me I'm wrong. I'd be happy to hear that QT will solve all of those problems.Yep. It will also regrow hair, and chicks dig it.

Flip answer aside, there are several releases of the n900 firmware still to come which are supposed to address current issues. GOING FORWARD, Qt is the toolkit of choice for development, which means it will be easy for a commercial or freeware developer to release whatever wizbang app they make for other platforms that support Qt apps.

Like the n900.

[geohsia]

Yep. It will also regrow hair, and chicks dig it.

Do they now? I'll need to get me another.


Flip answer aside, there are several releases of the n900 firmware still to come which are supposed to address current issues.

They can say that now, but when they are trying to support 3 platforms will they really continue to put a lot of resources to support the one phone OS that only lives on one phone?

My guess is when they start divying up resources they will allow enough for Maemo 5 to only address critical bug fixes (many have already been marked as will not fix for this release) and any interesting features will likely not be resourced.

GOING FORWARD, Qt is the toolkit of choice for development, which means it will be easy for a commercial or freeware developer to release whatever wizbang app they make for other platforms that support Qt apps.

Like the n900.

Look, I'm all for a wizbang third-party app experience but the core applications that I bought this device for like phone, music, social networking and etc will not get the same level of attention when Maemo 6 and Meego get rolling.

If Nokia decides to maintain the Maemo 5 codebase and continue to update it to give it the same fit and finish as newer OSes I'm all for it. I'm just not going to hold my breath.

Core OS and user experience and third-party apps are not the same thing so let's not mix the two.

[slobodsky]

With Qt it will be very simple for Nokia to backport new core applications to Maemo5. The main problem is multitouch-oriented interface, but I hope they will keep on using resistive (and so non multitouch) screens on some devices. In this case they will make singletouch version anyway.
I know power of Qt: on my site (http://www.slobodsky.ru) you can see my application running on 4 different systems. It's made from single code, but interface must be tuned for different sizes of screens.

[geohsia]

With Qt it will be very simple for Nokia to backport new core applications to Maemo5.

I hope so. I don't mean to be a cynic but can and will are two very different things. Whether or not Nokia will have a future resistive screens is a good question. BTW, what does multi-touch give you besides pinch-to-zoom? I never had an iPhone so not sure what the hubub is all about.

I hope QT is all it claims to be.

[ossipena]

I've spent 600 Euro...I NEED Meego or Maemo 6....it's a MUST, for consumers that spent much much money on a device like N900...and a few months later read news like this...

you need maemo 6 for what?

[Lazarpandar]

Theres a couple of things that give me hope that MeeGo will work on the N900.

1. Go to http://www.meego.com theres a bloody N900 on the front page

2. The argument that it requires multitouch is probably wrong because according to the website MeeGo is made to work on Netbooks, and most netbooks do not have multitouch. Multitouch on a netbook would be awkward in the middle of a coffee shop or in class so making it a required feature seems unlikely.

Just my two cents, I've been wrong before. Here's hoping!

[stayloa]

Meego is meant to work across different types of hardware - it will support multi-touch, but it doesn't mean it won't support devices that don't have multi-touch capabilites.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2359259,00.asp - what do people make of this? The N900 will "benefit" from MeeGo... does that mean it will benefit from having MeeGo installed or that the we'll simply benefit from the QT apps?

Why so many unanswered questions, Nokia?!

[edgedemon]

Is it me or am I missing something?

Yes, Im all for any updates that Nokia want to give me, but thats not why I bought this phone, I bought it for the community.
The n900 is very much a work in progress, and the progress is coming from the host of community driven apps and bug fixes that have appeared so far. Meego isn't the end of the world, if it is any good, then Im sure some sort of version will appear for the n900, if not, then Im equally sure that more apps and bug fixes will appear for the n900 anyway. Either way, my phone is going to improve over time, so I win both ways :D
I can't understand all the doom and gloom, yes, we all spent a fortune on this phone, but look what we got

One of the finest mobile browsing experiences on any mobile device ever
A very powerful pocket computer
An unlocked, fully capable mobile linux experience
A device that is slowly getting better week by week
A great community backing it


Yes, there are still alot of things to improve, but this was always cutting edge, if it bothers you, then you made a mistake buying the n900 and should have gone down the Android route..
Even if everyone stopped now doing anything for the n900, I would still have a great device, so why all the doom and gloom, lets just enjoy having a really cool bit of kit, and see what the future brings?

[REMFwhoopitydo]

you need maemo 6 for what?

i need maemo 6 because i need a vibrant development community to keep making me apps for my mobile computer.

nokia needs to give us maemo 6 because it needs to demonstrate to smartphone buyers that it really does understand the concept of the mobile comuting platform. this is a computer, not a device, and we expect computers to evolve with us. compyers have always done this, apple showed us a phone could do it to.

don't get me wrong, i know i took a chance on Nokia maemo, but future decisions will be informed by how they support their platform now. it being only stage four of five is not an excuse to cut your maemo users of at the knees, just as apple iphone 2G users get the same platform improvements as the newer models.

[Tintin]

Nokia just gave their most avid fans an atomic wedgie AND shoved their heads down the toilet - and it's pretty amusing to see that some of them don't even take the time to dry their hair before they start chanting that this was a good wedgie and that in the long-term the toilet-shower is exactly what they had hoped for since day one.

I thought I had seen fanboys on apple forums but my hat off to you people - you just took the cake.

A urinal cake unfortunately. But still.

[volt]

1. Go to http://www.meego.com theres a bloody N900 on the front page


What other device could they possibly put on the front page, but an existing Maemo or Moblin device? Leak an unannounced 2nd quarter device?

Nokia just gave their most avid fans an atomic wedgie AND shoved their heads down the toilet - and it's pretty amusing to see that some of them don't even take the time to dry their hair before they start chanting that this was a good wedgie and that in the long-term the toilet-shower is exactly what they had hoped for since day one.

That is the best thing I have read in a week. Without contest.

[P@t]

Just my two cents about the step 4 of 5. I am always confused to understand if this concerns the N900 or Maemo 5.
If Maemo 5 is step 4/5 then it does not mean that N900 should not get Maemo 6 or whatever the name.
As people pointed, as soon as I am not feeling that N900 is abandoned after a couple of months of life, I will feel happy about my device.

[slobodsky]

i need maemo 6 because i need a vibrant development community to keep making me apps for my mobile computer.
...
this is a computer, not a device, and we expect computers to evolve with us. compyers have always done this, apple showed us a phone could do it to.
iPhone is too closed to allow applications evolve without OS. But N900 isn't. There is no need for MeeGo or Maemo6 to get new apps. Indeed you need only new Qt and some other libraries.

[mattbrawn]

I've been working on the Nokia PUSH N900 projects (both the original global PUSH project, and at present the MOD IN THE USA competition as the Community Manager) and have seen some truly amazing stuff being created with Qt, Maemo5 and a few Arduinos.

For that reason, and I'm not saying it's not coming to N900, but I don't think the N900 specifically *needs* the Maemo6/MeeGo update as such. Yes it would be nice to be on the 'cutting edge' of development, but at the same time, the community that's developed based solely on the N900 and Maemo 5 is something to seriously behold. So for that reason, I think you guys (and all the other Maemo lovers out there) could still make awesome stuff running Maemo5 well into the future.


That's just my personal two cents. :)

[Dario1970]

Yaeh but I need an office editor and a street navigator. We need that great software house develop something for our N900 and not only great single developers that, soon, will go on a new platform.

Why a great software house should develop something for N900 if it is the only terminal with Maemo 5 and without multitouch of Maemo 6?

Sorry for my English.

[DaveR53]

I get the impression that the underlying OS version will not actually matter that much. Maemo 6 looked to mainly be a progression of Maemo 5, so I'd assume that if you are using the same libraries for your application, it's likely it will work on both Maemo 5 and 6/MeeGo.

They said the target platforms for MeeGo are ARM and x86/Atom. So it's entirely possible that any ARM binaries/applications will work on on both Maemo 5 and MeeGo if they are written for a common toolkit (QT).

Look at most Linux distributions, Ubuntu 8 applications don't just stop working because Ubuntu 9 is out, aslong as the userland toolkits (gtk/qt) are up to date it should 'just work'.

The problems will come with updated hardware features that should be taken care of by the app developer. If its a bonus feature, use it or enable reduced functionality if its not there.

I'd be very pleased if they push MeeGo to the N900 but if not, I don't think its much to panic about.

[REMFwhoopitydo]

iPhone is too closed to allow applications evolve without OS. But N900 isn't. There is no need for MeeGo or Maemo6 to get new apps. Indeed you need only new Qt and some other libraries.

i'm not yet convinced that freemantle development won't wither on the vine once nokia marketing goes beserk on "step-five-of-five" the messiah has landed edition.

i appreciate that QT makes stuff easily portable, but if apps rolled for harmatton/meego won't install and run by default on my freemantle n900, at the tap of a button, then when you have written simply does not fly.

[stayloa]

Yaeh but I need an office editor and a street navigator. We need that great software house develop something for our N900 and not only great single developers that, soon, will go on a new platform.

Why a great software house should develop something for N900 if it is the only terminal with Maemo 5 and without multitouch of Maemo 6?

Sorry for my English.


Office editor: Abiword? Debian+Open Office? They do fine for me!

Street navigator: Navit perhaps?

[Dario1970]

Office Editor... Abiword is not optized (so I read)
Debian+open office? Do you think is optimized for our device? Open file directly from email?

I was referring to software write specifically for N900.

[Gadgety]

Some answers regarding MeeGo on N900 from today's Twitter tweet Maemo/MeeGo chat

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=529371#post529371

[mbo]

http://jaaksi.blogspot.com/2010/02/this-is-next-step-step-forward.html#3544283825241288872

Does not sound like an official meego port to the n900.

[Mr_Hat]

Not to sound nasty about the whole NEED and MUST in there, but you do realize that unless your buying from some Government black ops, than wether you spend 6 Euro or 6000 Euro, by the time you take your knew device out of the box it is outdated and obsolete. You can't really demand inprovement. Yes, I hope we do get updates still for the N900 (I love mine).

Ya ya....I know that when I took out of the box my N900 it started to get outdated...but it's just 2 months ago...I want just only an upgrade to the software not something special...It's a basic thing after 2 months....

[ossipena]

Ya ya....I know that when I took out of the box my N900 it started to get outdated...but it's just 2 months ago...I want just only an upgrade to the software not something special...It's a basic thing after 2 months....

lets make a deal. you can whine all you want if sw updates to n900 stop appearing before 12 months from release date, approx week 50/2010. but please don't whine beforehand.

[Mr_Hat]

lets make a deal. you can whine all you want if sw updates to n900 stop appearing before 12 months from release date, approx week 50/2010. but please don't whine beforehand.

I'm not complaining...I'm just hoping that mother Nokia will upgrade our loved device to this "Meego"...and I think that so...but it's a very important crossroads for my loyalty to Nokia...

[slobodsky]

i'm not yet convinced that freemantle development won't wither on the vine once nokia marketing goes beserk on "step-five-of-five" the messiah has landed edition.You can be convinced. Nobody will wait until MeeGo enter the stage because main guidelines are clear for a long time.
On the other hand you write as if Nokia has completely dropped support for N900 already. It's not right, I think. Let's wait.

[qhorse]

This isn't reassuring :

Blogger Ari Jaaksi said...

Calm down guys. Changing packaging doesn't mean dropping Maemo. It is just packaging ...

Maemo was a Nokia internal distro only. Really. MeeGo distro will be built in the open. And activly supported for others to use ... unlike Maemo. This is the opennes you were always asked.

For the Maemo community members ... this is a good news. We really need you now! This is the next step.

N900 is a good purchase. MeeGo will give it much more applications to run as explained.

Will there be a full MeeGo port on N900? I'm pretty sure there will be a MeeGo port on N900 for those who wanna play with it. There is also an Andoid, Mac, ..and god knows what ports available. It is an open devivice. N900 will run a lot of MeeGo apps ... and developers and users will fully utilize it.

There are no product or other software announcements from Nokia at the moment. We will keep you posted on the development.

N900 is open. MeeGo will be developed in open. Now use the openness, please!
Source : https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=16130344&postID=4362639112523965775&pli=1

Looks like N900 won't be "officially" upgradable to MeeGo... sucks

[stayloa]

Its a bit stupid making parallels with Android and Mac ports though - the Android one hasn't even been fully realised and the person that got OSX booting did so with a 2 hour boot time...

Then again, I'm sure a clever fellow on here will be able to port Meego to Maemo :D

[oskarmat]

Guys... go take a step outside, see what's shaking in the real world

[shady]

they have been partners on this since before the rx-51 was leaked ...

ofono, ring a bell?

[openfone]

One of the major reasons I bought a n900 over an iPhone was the ethos of apple releasing a new OS/upgrade and then forcing you to buy a new phone as well. I will be very very unhappy if Nokia does the same.

[Rob1n]

One of the major reasons I bought a n900 over an iPhone was the ethos of apple releasing a new OS/upgrade and then forcing you to buy a new phone as well. I will be very very unhappy if Nokia does the same.

I'm not a fan of Apple but, to be fair, they've made the new OS updates available for all iPhones so far (though you may need to pay for it).

[G66J]

All this talk of MeeGo and the N900 being open is all very good but the stuff that matters - the kernel and the drivers for the device are not open. In the MeeGo press release it said that it will be up to the device manufacturers to provide the kernels and drivers.

As far as I know the kernel and drivers are not open for the N900 under Maemo5 so why would Nokia open them for MeeGo. I'm sure they have some IT they'd want to keep to themselves. I'm not a programmer but my understanding is that without the proper kernel and drivers you're not going to get the OS to work and fully utilise the devices hardware.

Whether some clever devs manage to reverse engineer things is a different story. I'm sure it'll happen as it's been happening in the Linux desktop world for ages.

[wmarone]

All this talk of MeeGo and the N900 being open is all very good but the stuff that matters - the kernel and the drivers for the device are not open. In the MeeGo press release it said that it will be up to the device manufacturers to provide the kernels and drivers.
Well yes, they are developing the hardware after all. So it's up to the community to pressure vendors choosing MeeGo to provide that level of support (especially pushing drivers upstream, which makes life easier on them down the line.)

As far as I know the kernel and drivers are not open for the N900 under Maemo5 so why would Nokia open them for MeeGo.
They are, that you think they aren't shows how little you know. Everything that is closed is in user space, the kernel is fully open even if not all drivers are upstream yet.

[openfone]

I'm not a fan of Apple but, to be fair, they've made the new OS updates available for all iPhones so far (though you may need to pay for it).

I got burnt early on with an iPod and have never forgiven Apple :D

[openfone]

Nokia just gave their most avid fans an atomic wedgie AND shoved their heads down the toilet - and it's pretty amusing to see that some of them don't even take the time to dry their hair before they start chanting that this was a good wedgie and that in the long-term the toilet-shower is exactly what they had hoped for since day one.

I thought I had seen fanboys on apple forums but my hat off to you people - you just took the cake.

A urinal cake unfortunately. But still.

I second that, funniest post I have seen all week :)

[changan]

I am upset that Meego will not run on my new N900 got it last week. I am thinking of return and wait for next series.

[G66J]

They are, that you think they aren't shows how little you know. Everything that is closed is in user space, the kernel is fully open even if not all drivers are upstream yet.
Thanks for correcting me. And yes it may show how little I know but no need to be condescending.

[felbutss]

soo one question.

will the n900 get meeGo.

'YES' or 'NO'

[buurmas]

One of the major reasons I bought a n900 over an iPhone was the ethos of apple releasing a new OS/upgrade and then forcing you to buy a new phone as well. I will be very very unhappy if Nokia does the same.
I wouldn't hold your breath. Versions of Maemo have been pretty hardware-specific so far & Nokia hasn't put forth the effort to backport OR continue to fix bugs on old OS versions. Not saying you won't be pleasantly surprised, but your best bet, I think, is:

* Getting community support for the OS one day (Mer?)
* Getting more N900 apps due to the Qt compatibility (crumbs that fall from the MeeGo table, so to speak)

[geohsia]

Maemo 6 looked to mainly be a progression of Maemo 5, so I'd assume that if you are using the same libraries for your application, it's likely it will work on both Maemo 5 and 6/MeeGo.

I'd be careful about making assumptions. I have not heard anyone make binary compatibility commitments.


Look at most Linux distributions, Ubuntu 8 applications don't just stop working because Ubuntu 9 is out, aslong as the userland toolkits (gtk/qt) are up to date it should 'just work'.

You mean like the way Maemo 5 packages 'just work' on Maemo 4?

[Kajko]

soo one question.

will the n900 get meeGo.

'YES' or 'NO'

It's funny how this very important question is being constantly ignored by Nokia.

Except for simple one liners about being able to use MeeGo apps on the N900. Whooopie.

Answer the damn question Nokia !

SAD.

[ewan]

It's funny how this very important question is being constantly ignored by Nokia.

Has it occurred to anyone that they might simply not know yet?

[EMAD]

I am thinking of sending this e-mail to Nokia...

What do you guys think???

________________

What's going to happen to the N900 with the new Meego?

I have been putting in a good word everywhere about my new phone and will be extremely upset if it is outdated within a year with the coming of Meego.

I understand that Meego is an evolution of Maemo. But if you knew that Meego was coming, why did you sell the N900 with Maemo 5? Why didn't you wait? Why did you sell to us a product (maemo) which was gonna be the last of its kind and give us hopes that there will be so much software, support AND BRAND RECOGNITION for it?

I want Meego on my phone. I want my Maemo to be called Meego because I did not buy spend $800 Canadian to buy a phone that was going to be outdated within a few months.

If that is the case, consider this my last purchase from Nokia ever!

I know it is too early to determine what you will do with the N900... but be assured that I am the only one in my community of friends and co-workers that owns a Nokia N900. I have constantly been telling off people with Blackberries and iPhones that Nokia product is better.

But if Nokia doesn't support the wish of its N900 customers, then be assured that I will spread my horrible experience with Nokia until the day I die!

[russo_br]

Has it occurred to anyone that they might simply not know yet?

Nokia surely could know if they will support an upgrade to Meego on N900... in my opinion they didn't decided yet to commit with the upgrade or not!!

For now at least the official statements were somewhat evasive... N900 was mentioned but only regarding the increase of available applications due Qt.

[Kajko]

Nokia surely could know if they will support an upgrade to Meego on N900... in my opinion they didn't decided yet to commit with the upgrade or not!!

For now at least the official statements were somewhat evasive... N900 was mentioned but only regarding the increase of available applications due Qt.

They are afraid if they say "no" to a MeeGo upgrade on the N900 it will hurt sales.

[geohsia]

I am thinking of sending this e-mail to Nokia...

What do you guys think???


That's quite the email, lots of passion. IMHO, its way too personal. This is a business / marketing decision and needs to be treated as such. Large corporations like Nokia don't respond to ultimatums. Regardless of what they do someone will be unhappy. I think what is ultimately more useful is articulating how a change to their current course could be to their benefit.

Personally I'd probably still buy a Meego-based product (in 2011 / 2012) even if the N900 didn't get it. I'm American but the iPhone and Android services are way too US-centric. I do a lot of work overseas.

For Nokia there are tons of advantages to not supporting an OS with no future, also, they would benefit from having the maemo 5 community automagically transition to Harmattan (easier said than done), which would give that community a boost and would benefit future products because of the strength of the community. A win-win in my opinion. The problem is its a lot of work, its short term pain for long term gain. That's my story and I'm sticking to it! ;-)

[russo_br]

They are afraid if they say "no" to a MeeGo upgrade on the N900 it will hurt sales.

Not only future sales, but also upset current owners who just bought it...

[schettj]

I am thinking of sending this e-mail to Nokia...

What do you guys think???Send it. Let us know what happens.

[craftyguy]

That's quite the email, lots of passion. IMHO, its way too personal. This is a business / marketing decision and needs to be treated as such. Large corporations like Nokia don't respond to ultimatums. Regardless of what they do someone will be unhappy. I think what is ultimately more useful is articulating how a change to their current course could be to their benefit.

Personally I'd probably still buy a Meego-based product (in 2011 / 2012) even if the N900 didn't get it. I'm American but the iPhone and Android services are way too US-centric. I do a lot of work overseas.

For Nokia there are tons of advantages to not supporting an OS with no future, also, they would benefit from having the maemo 5 community automagically transition to Harmattan (easier said than done), which would give that community a boost and would benefit future products because of the strength of the community. A win-win in my opinion. The problem is its a lot of work, its short term pain for long term gain. That's my story and I'm sticking to it! ;-)

Actually, a 'personal' statement coming from a customer makes the situation a business concern for the company. Ignore too many 'personal' statements would upset customers, which very well could lead to lost sales (in a worst-case, but totally plausible senario)

[gerbick]

I'm not a fan of Apple but, to be fair, they've made the new OS updates available for all iPhones so far (though you may need to pay for it).

Wrong. No OS upgrade for the iPhone ever cost anybody. It's the updates on the iPod Touch that cost people.

[Dario1970]

I am thinking of sending this e-mail to Nokia...

What do you guys think???

________________

What's going to happen to the N900 with the new Meego?

I have been putting in a good word everywhere about my new phone and will be extremely upset if it is outdated within a year with the coming of Meego.

I understand that Meego is an evolution of Maemo. But if you knew that Meego was coming, why did you sell the N900 with Maemo 5? Why didn't you wait? Why did you sell to us a product (maemo) which was gonna be the last of its kind and give us hopes that there will be so much software, support AND BRAND RECOGNITION for it?

I want Meego on my phone. I want my Maemo to be called Meego because I did not buy spend $800 Canadian to buy a phone that was going to be outdated within a few months.

If that is the case, consider this my last purchase from Nokia ever!

I know it is too early to determine what you will do with the N900... but be assured that I am the only one in my community of friends and co-workers that owns a Nokia N900. I have constantly been telling off people with Blackberries and iPhones that Nokia product is better.

But if Nokia doesn't support the wish of its N900 customers, then be assured that I will spread my horrible experience with Nokia until the day I die!

+1

Just because an OS outdated means few developers. Less software. Less future.

[benny1967]

Has it occurred to anyone that they might simply not know yet?

That's the impression they'd like to give, but i'm not buying it. They must have plans and goals by now.

My interpretation is that by the time this becomes relevant (=Harmattan device is launched), they got their "it's Qt that matters, not the operating system"-dogma into the minds of both developers and consumers. Then they can safely announce that no, the N900 will not run Harmattan, but is largely compatible through Qt 4.6.... And seriously, if 90% of the applications developed for Harmattan will run on my Qt 4.6 powered N900, if the only difference between Fremantle and Harmattan is a new UI outside these applications (desktop, task switching)... Why would I need Harmattan? It may have some features we don't have on the N900 (MMS?), but by the time they launch Harmattan I expect most of these gaps to be filled by 3rd party applications.

They cannot safely communicate all of this now, because people don't think "the Qt way" yet. They don't because they haven't seen anything real so far, only promises.

[YoDude]

So... I guess there never will be a step 5 for Maemo.

1, 2, 3, 4, then back to MeeGo 1 again?

It will be interesting to see how some will spin this after the "The N900 was only meant to be step 4 out of 5" argument some were fond of spouting. :D

[EMAD]

Send it. Let us know what happens.

SENT! Will post reply on here.

[etuoyo]

Also neither apt-get clean nor apt-get autoremove worked on my device so couldn't create root space that way. Was getting a could not open lock file message. Does anyone know why?

[mcdull]

The great thing about the MeeGo announcement is that other hardware manufacturers will build devices for the platform.

This means an alternative to Nokia.

You can switch from Nokia-made devices to someone else and the software should hopefully be compatible.

there might be more manufactuers willing to do it, but there is already a non-Nokia Mameo device

http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/04/optimas-maemo-running-op5-e-mid-demoed-on-video-priced/

[pelago]

Also neither apt-get clean nor apt-get autoremove worked on my device so couldn't create root space that way. Was getting a could not open lock file message. Does anyone know why?

Are you in the wrong thread?

[garyc2010]

Not to sound nasty about the whole NEED and MUST in there, but you do realize that unless your buying from some Government black ops, than wether you spend 6 Euro or 6000 Euro, by the time you take your knew device out of the box it is outdated and obsolete. You can't really demand inprovement. Yes, I hope we do get updates still for the N900 (I love mine).

yeah my 3 month old N900 is obsolete crap, maybe ill buy a Nokia meegoo phone, but hmmm as soon as i get it it will also be "outdated and obsolete", or maybe im just being selfish and stupid to expect Nokia to support their devices for more than a few months, reminds me of Microsoft Windows ME - constant blue screens and bugs (like my N900) but hey as you so rightly say "You can't really demand inprovement.", I agree, Ive been royally screwed by this piece of ****, but it will be my last nokia. At least I have my 3gs and blackberry to fall back on.

[EMAD]

You are right! It is personal! I bought the phone 1st) for my personal use and 2nd) to show off to these berryheadzz and icoolzz what Linux can do that their blackberries and iphones cannot do.

I don't care about Nokia's business / marketing decision for their future customers if they cannot keep their existing ones happy.

I spent a fortune on this phone whereas, I could have got an iphone 3gs for $200 over a 3-year term. But instead I purchased a phone that cost me four times more ($800) thinking that I could keep this phone for at least three years and that there would be hype for it for at least a year or two. Perhaps, sell it next year for half the price. Even with iphone 3gs, the value of iphone 3g has not gone down that much.

But with the announcement of Meego, who cares about Maemo? Certainly, I don't care about maemo!

I am just saying why would Nokia promote maemo like this if they were well aware that they were going to partner up. You can't tell me that Intel and Nokia got together on the night of Feb. 14th and said let's combine what we have. Obviously, Nokia knew this deal was going to take off.

All I am saying is that Nokia better have a plan for the N900 customers whether it is a monetary incentive for upgrading to a new Meego device or changing the name AND FEATURES of Maemo 5 to call it Meego. Otherwise, I feel like I got ripped off big time!

At this point, I am really confused whether I should keep this piece of nice hardware that will eventually have no value because of its software content.

I wanted to buy a phone that will retain its value for at least two years like the iphone does. But with the announcement of Meego, who is going to buy my maemo phone in 2010? I don't think anybody would!



That's quite the email, lots of passion. IMHO, its way too personal. This is a business / marketing decision and needs to be treated as such. Large corporations like Nokia don't respond to ultimatums. Regardless of what they do someone will be unhappy. I think what is ultimately more useful is articulating how a change to their current course could be to their benefit.

Personally I'd probably still buy a Meego-based product (in 2011 / 2012) even if the N900 didn't get it. I'm American but the iPhone and Android services are way too US-centric. I do a lot of work overseas.

For Nokia there are tons of advantages to not supporting an OS with no future, also, they would benefit from having the maemo 5 community automagically transition to Harmattan (easier said than done), which would give that community a boost and would benefit future products because of the strength of the community. A win-win in my opinion. The problem is its a lot of work, its short term pain for long term gain. That's my story and I'm sticking to it! ;-)

[gerbick]

yeah my 3 month old N900 is obsolete crap, maybe ill buy a Nokia meegoo phone, but hmmm as soon as i get it it will also be "outdated and obsolete", or maybe im just being selfish and stupid to expect Nokia to support their devices for more than a few months, reminds me of Microsoft Windows ME - constant blue screens and bugs (like my N900) but hey as you so rightly say "You can't really demand inprovement.", I agree, Ive been royally screwed by this piece of ****, but it will be my last nokia. At least I have my 3gs and blackberry to fall back on.

Wow. Calm down. You don't know all of the details yet.

[w00t]

http://blog.rburchell.com/2010/02/future-of-n900-what-meego-means.html

Worth a read, I think. :)

[buurmas]

You mean like the way Maemo 5 packages 'just work' on Maemo 4?
No, more like the way an app using a certain set of Qt libraries can run wherever those libraries are supported. That means MeeGo, Symbian, Maemo 5, Linux in general, Mac OS, and Windows.

Again, Maemo 5 is quickly becoming obsolete BUT Qt means it may get MeeGo apps as "crumbs that fall from the table". Could be better, but it could sure be worse, too. Is this sufficiently clear?

[mrojas]

Maybe it isn't clear, but the reason people is asking for Maemo 6 on their N900 is because the OS itself is perceived to be lacking in many areas, and they would rather have an official, Nokia launch of the new software, instead of waiting for the community to pick up the job (which may or may not happen quickly).

Consider also that Maemo is so far monolithic, if there is a bug in, let's say, Modest, so far you won't be able to install Maemo 6 Modest, you need the whole block of the OS. That's a situation that presented itself in Diablo and the whole "Fixed in Fremantle" issue.

[garyc2010]

Nokia just gave their most avid fans an atomic wedgie AND shoved their heads down the toilet

couldnt have put it better myself

Nokia have shafted me for the last time................it really does remind me of Microsoft Windows ME half baked and full of bugs

i am left totally underwhelmed and badly out of pocket with this great Nokia experiment.........

[val580]

at least the n900 has founded a community !
and thats great !
remember the n900 shipping thread , it was crazy.
I don't want a candybar phone anymore.
I will never buy a phone with a single hardware key , even if it runs gta , I would feel like a handicaped.

no regrets !

[EMAD]

I think you should make a comic strip out of this and send it to all the cell phone magazines.

Sadly we are the victims :( or hopefully Nokia realizes soon and saves us :)


Nokia just gave their most avid fans an atomic wedgie AND shoved their heads down the toilet - and it's pretty amusing to see that some of them don't even take the time to dry their hair before they start chanting that this was a good wedgie and that in the long-term the toilet-shower is exactly what they had hoped for since day one.

I thought I had seen fanboys on apple forums but my hat off to you people - you just took the cake.

A urinal cake unfortunately. But still.

[geohsia]

You are right! It is personal! I bought the phone 1st) for my personal use and 2nd) to show off to these berryheadzz and icoolzz what Linux can do that their blackberries and iphones cannot do.

and it does great in both regards before 2/15 and after 2/15 right?

I don't care about Nokia's business / marketing decision for their future customers if they cannot keep their existing ones happy.

I agree that keeping existing customers happy is important, but that means different things to different people.

I spent a fortune on this phone whereas, I could have got an iphone 3gs for $200 over a 3-year term. But instead I purchased a phone that cost me four times more ($800) ...

You should have searched harder. It's easy to find it for less than $500 and you know the $200 is plus contract so in the end you end up paying way more for the iphone. But it's not like you didn't know that already...

But with the announcement of Meego, who cares about Maemo? Certainly, I don't care about maemo!

Look, if you want to go crazy and rant on and on that's fine... Personally I don't think it helps you or will it help alter the course necessarily.

I am just saying why would Nokia promote maemo like this if they were well aware that they were going to partner up. You can't tell me that Intel and Nokia got together on the night of Feb. 14th and said let's combine what we have. Obviously, Nokia knew this deal was going to take off.

Apparently you've never worked for large companies. Nothing is ever that simple, making the wrong partnerships can cost millions of dollars so while its not like they dreamt it up the night before its not like they sat on it just for fun so they can screw the community. Try not to go down the conspiracy theory route. It'll drive you crazy.

All I am saying is that Nokia better have a plan for the N900 customers whether it is a monetary incentive for upgrading to a new Meego device or changing the name AND FEATURES of Maemo 5 to call it Meego. Otherwise, I feel like I got ripped off big time!

Well monetary incentives aren't going to happen. That's just silly. The fact that you'd be ok if they just renamed Maemo 5 to Meego... I'm not sure what to say. I don't think that makes any sense to anyone.

At this point, I am really confused whether I should keep this piece of nice hardware that will eventually have no value because of its software content.

Maybe you should consider why a phone gets you so worked up, its just a phone and a darn good one even with its limitations.

If they don't end up where I want them to go I will still enjoy my N900 for what it does do today, quirks and all. While I may be wary the next time around, if they make a good product I'll get back on board. I'll give money to those who make the best device even if its someone that made mistakes (IMO) in the past.

[Laughing Man]

+1

Just because an OS outdated means few developers. Less software. Less future.

Not if the libraries used across the OS (new and old) are updated and kept the same. That then means apps can pretty much be brought back and forth across OS. Of course certain device specific features won't work (e.g. say if an app uses multi-touch).

If Nokia doesn't want to officially support MeeGo, fine. With the way they've been cutting features out of Maemo that I'm use to having I'm not so sure I would want whatever's next (there were talks about a DRM locked system). But they should be more active in the development of Mer as a replacement to the previous Maemo operating systems then.

[EMAD]

It's not just renaming to Meego. Read carefully as I also stated the features!

And I am interested in selling the phone after a year of use. You are telling me someone out there will pay a high price for a Maemo device when meego devices are rolled out with soooo much hype.

I think I will be lucky if I get a $100.

Before commenting on what I said, you should realize that I didn't buy the phone today when it is being sold for $499. I bought it right when it came out.

Point is that I thought this phone would be like the iphone and blackberries where you can use it for a year and still make enough money by selling it next year. Maybe I didn't do my research... but I think Nokia should have thought about something more than just selling the device.

Comeon, when you buy something that is as cool as the N900, you want the device to remain cool for sometime. I mean right now in my circle, there is nobody that owns an N900 and I don't think I will buy it... I will be a loaner with a N900 looking towards all the coolios with the iphone.

So tell me who will buy my maemo phone next year for more than $200? Yet, the old iphone 3G still sells for more than $250 and that's a bargain price!




and it does great in both regards before 2/15 and after 2/15 right?



I agree that keeping existing customers happy is important, but that means different things to different people.



You should have searched harder. It's easy to find it for less than $500 and you know the $200 is plus contract so in the end you end up paying way more for the iphone. But it's not like you didn't know that already...



Look, if you want to go crazy and rant on and on that's fine... Personally I don't think it helps you or will it help alter the course necessarily.



Apparently you've never worked for large companies. Nothing is ever that simple, making the wrong partnerships can cost millions of dollars so while its not like they dreamt it up the night before its not like they sat on it just for fun so they can screw the community. Try not to go down the conspiracy theory route. It'll drive you crazy.



Well monetary incentives aren't going to happen. That's just silly. The fact that you'd be ok if they just renamed Maemo 5 to Meego... I'm not sure what to say. I don't think that makes any sense to anyone.



Maybe you should consider why a phone gets you so worked up, its just a phone and a darn good one even with its limitations.

If they don't end up where I want them to go I will still enjoy my N900 for what it does do today, quirks and all. While I may be wary the next time around, if they make a good product I'll get back on board. I'll give money to those who make the best device even if its someone that made mistakes (IMO) in the past.

[Dario1970]

I'm crying but I'm thinking to sell it now before it's too late.

[flydeep]

All the hoola about meego or meega or whatever and it has been a day since it was announced. Nokia PR is crap, they need to be seriously kicked out or they will drag the entire company down with their incompetence.

They will release this meega thingie after 6 months and it will be crap of bugs. Fix it for another 6 months and by the time they start figuring out how to properly marry it with a capable phone a year and half will have rolled by. At that point, you will want another new gadget. It's a never ending quest for the best if you can afford it.

The phone does most of the good stuff we generally are looking for and it's an enthusiasts device. If that is true, you would have found the apps and made this work for you.

I am more seriously worried about the hardware issues (usb port) holding out for a reasonable time. If you just want a phone that works extremely well out of the box, you need an iphone/blackberry or a nexus. Do not waste your money on N900.

Stop speculation and spreading rumors. Enjoy and have fun with what you have right now. If you can return your device, pick up the phone RIGHT NOW and do not whine.

[Shervin]

i said it before and i will say it again.... Maemo 5 was my first encounter with the nokia tablets and has been the most interesting and powerful experience i ever had with a mobile device.
i am angry about the announcement because i feel like my n900 will now be left behind after owning it for less than a month. i feel like the n900 is having a premature eol. As stated ealier about m6/meego multitouch.... You need a capacitative screen for that and for a power user and a tablet like n900... capacitative is unacceptable. the loss of accuracy and stylus is a nightmare.

[Le_Petit_Lapin]

meh...if the apps work on my phone I couldnt really care less what OS I'm using to be honest. More apps suits me just fine.

[Tiptronic]

whats special about meego? maemo sounds a billion times more cooler than 'meego'

[PhonoN900]

All the hoola about meego or meega or whatever and it has been a day since it was announced. Nokia PR is crap, they need to be seriously kicked out or they will drag the entire company down with their incompetence.

They will release this meega thingie after 6 months and it will be crap of bugs. Fix it for another 6 months and by the time they start figuring out how to properly marry it with a capable phone a year and half will have rolled by. At that point, you will want another new gadget. It's a never ending quest for the best if you can afford it.

The phone does most of the good stuff we generally are looking for and it's an enthusiasts device. If that is true, you would have found the apps and made this work for you.

I am more seriously worried about the hardware issues (usb port) holding out for a reasonable time. If you just want a phone that works extremely well out of the box, you need an iphone/blackberry or a nexus. Do not waste your money on N900.

Stop speculation and spreading rumors. Enjoy and have fun with what you have right now. If you can return your device, pick up the phone RIGHT NOW and do not whine.

I agree with the above. I bought this device because it is the nearest realization of a computer in my pocket that makes calls (in the end, whomever is able to put windows 7/whatever in a device this size wins).

I expected upon purchase that this device would be replaced in a year by the next computer-in-my-pocket device, and I expected it would run Maemo.

At this point, about a month in, I am so in love with this device and its current capabilities, I'm almost leary of change (look at Windows Phone Series 7, which while refined seems very restrictive, Apple lke). I can easily see a MeeGo future that while newer, is also much more restrictive.

Personally, I haven't gotten this much enjoyment out of a device since the N95-1. I feel it is pretty damned iconic, as is.

Onwards and upwards with MeeGo and all, but there'll have to be a real leap (not evolution) for me to ditch this clean, sturdy little beast, with its clean minimalist-yet-customizable OS.

Fake edit: The USB issues being so widely reported scare the **** out of me.

Cheers,
Phono

[Laughing Man]

meh...if the apps work on my phone I couldnt really care less what OS I'm using to be honest. More apps suits me just fine.

Well there's also bug fixes and enhancements to the built-in apps. But other then that, as long as they keep the QT and other libraries up to date, I could care less if N900 got MeeGo or not. As long as you can run applications developed on future MeeGo devices on the N900 and the bugs are ironed out.

[FranzDages]

Not to sound nasty about the whole NEED and MUST in there, but you do realize that unless your buying from some Government black ops, than wether you spend 6 Euro or 6000 Euro, by the time you take your knew device out of the box it is outdated and obsolete. You can't really demand inprovement. Yes, I hope we do get updates still for the N900 (I love mine).

I didn't mean to tick so many people off with my comment quoted above. It just seems to me that to be that emotional about a phone/mid/gadget/whatever is somewhat rediculous. Yes, the N900 doesn't do everything phones that have been around for a few years already do. Yes, that is a problem Nokia should have taken in to account. No, that doesn't mean any one of you, or all of us, can demand that Nokia fix the problem(s). On a lighter note, it was announced today that the LG GW900, which is Moblin based, will be getting MeeGo. That doesn't mean that the N900 will, but I would say it ups the chances considerably.

[geohsia]

And I am interested in selling the phone after a year of use. You are telling me someone out there will pay a high price for a Maemo device when meego devices are rolled out with soooo much hype.

I think I will be lucky if I get a $100.

They just announced it, what hype?

Before commenting on what I said, you should realize that I didn't buy the phone today when it is being sold for $499. I bought it right when it came out.

I'm sorry someone ripped you off and sold you a $600 phone for $800, but it's not Nokia's fault.

Comeon, when you buy something that is as cool as the N900, you want the device to remain cool for sometime. I mean right now in my circle, there is nobody that owns an N900 and I don't think I will buy it... I will be a loaner with a N900 looking towards all the coolios with the iphone.

Maybe I'm lucky. My friends don't care what phone I have. I found what fits my needs and they have what fits theirs, and we're all happy for each other.

So tell me who will buy my maemo phone next year for more than $200? Yet, the old iphone 3G still sells for more than $250 and that's a bargain price!

I think it's clear you wanted a cool device. Dump your N900 now, buy your $200 iPhone be a "coolio"(rapper from the '90s?) and be happy. Life is too short to get worked up over a phone.

[Lazariaus]

I think it's clear you wanted a cool device. Dump your N900 now, buy your $200 iPhone be a "coolio"(rapper from the '90s?) and be happy. Life is too short to get worked up over a phone.

I gotta agree with you there. At least win you spend $200.00 as opposed to $500.00 you have the added benefit of knowing Mac isn't going to ditch support for your device to go on a joint venture with windows called win0x lol:eek:

All joking aside I love my N900. However, we shouldn't be left guessing either....bad pr on Nokia's part. I just would like to know where my device stands has it relates to meego. No meego, fine...getting it great! I would just like to know...

There is always a silver lining. I usually trade up device every year or so as it stands just for the simple reason the device of more than a year ago is under powered and out dated. With the latest chips nearly doubling our 600 mhz in a year our device will probably still be a good device just severly lacking compared to the new devices running meego or whatever. I imagine by the time meego is out of its infancy the ability for my n900 to use will probably be a non issue for me.

[geohsia]

I gotta agree with you there. At least win you spend $200.00 as opposed to $500.00 you have the added benefit of knowing Mac isn't going to ditch support for your device to go on a joint venture with windows called win0x lol:eek:

Well, the $200 is subsidized so in the end you pay way more than the $500 unlocked N900.

Personally can't stand running one app at a time. I haven't done that since my old Palm III days, but to each his own. I'd rather throw in my lot with Linux / Noktel even though they're being lame about the N900 future. If QT is all its cracked up to be we'll soon rule the world!

[kaitech]

I have to laugh at some of these replies, the following is just my .02 I do not think that the n900 is outdated just because of this "new" OS if anything I think it will help drive it further. The n900 is more then just a phone!!! It is a mini computer that fits in your pocket, no crackberry or iphone can do the things the n900 can. To me it was a worthy investment and I know it will get better but the gloom and doom is uncalled for.......

I think that this merger can be good and it can be bad, we as a community is what make the n900 so great, its not like nokia markets it well at all. I Love me device and will continue to use it it is not going anywhere.

So let work together to make it better.

[EMAD]

I think you are taking my comments a bit too serious! :eek: I spent $800 because I had shipped to Canada which means paying taxes on top of the $650 original price plus expedited shipping... so I don't feel I got ripped off. It's just a matter of how much I spent to get this phone as quickly as possible in my hands.

In any case, I am not here to argue... just saying how I would feel IF the N900 became obsolete so quickly. I was really hoping that I get this phone and then everybody else I know would get this phone so we can all have more fun together. What's the fun in seeing all your friends with an iphone? I just wish they don't discontinue the N900. Just release meego on the N900 so more people will have the N900. Maybe my theory of one world phone is a bit far fetched but it would be really nice to see the N900 become the next iphone. I am not saying N900 forever but is it wrong to say N900 everywhere for at least two years :confused:

By the way, I don't really listen to rap music so don't you say that I am trying to be a rapper :cool:

I am glad your friends don't care what phone you have. But I am a caring person and I hate to see my friends suffering when trying to browse the Internet and multi-task on their phones. I wanna help them out :D


They just announced it, what hype?



I'm sorry someone ripped you off and sold you a $600 phone for $800, but it's not Nokia's fault.



Maybe I'm lucky. My friends don't care what phone I have. I found what fits my needs and they have what fits theirs, and we're all happy for each other.



I think it's clear you wanted a cool device. Dump your N900 now, buy your $200 iPhone be a "coolio"(rapper from the '90s?) and be happy. Life is too short to get worked up over a phone.

[qgil]

Hi, just merged several threads discussing basically "MeeGo in the N900". It will be a bit confusing today but less confusing than several parallel and overlapping discussions.

Posts discussing the same thing off-topic in another threads will also be moved here.

And no, I don't have an official answer for that question. My suggestion is: enjoy your N900 with the new apps and updates to come and wait for Harmattan/MeeGo releases to know about the mid term.

[geohsia]

In any case, I am not here to argue... just saying how I would feel IF the N900 became obsolete so quickly. I was really hoping that I get this phone and then everybody else I know would get this phone so we can all have more fun together.

Fair enough. I think that day will come but it's going to be at least a year from now. I love my N900 but if I didn't have a unix background I'd have gone crazy weeks ago.

Just release meego on the N900 so more people will have the N900. Maybe my theory of one world phone is a bit far fetched but it would be really nice to see the N900 become the next iphone. I am not saying N900 forever but is it wrong to say N900 everywhere for at least two years :confused:

I think the N9XX.next can be if Nokia ever settles down and stops restarting things over and over again. We need to see some QT magic.

Nokia has to make some hard decisions. Drop Maemo 5 and they invalidate immediately a ton of work done by the community. Keep Maemo 5 and they put on life support an OS with no future and reduce customer satisfaction. Either way someone's going to get pi$$ed off. Maemo doesn't have the luxury of years to deal with forward / backward compatibility.

Ultimately we won't know until Harmattan releases, then we'll see if we're missing out in terms of the core components (phone, media, system mgmt and etc).

I am a caring person and I hate to see my friends suffering when trying to browse the Internet and multi-task on their phones. I wanna help them out :D

I love my system, but like I said, Nokia has a ton more work to do before I can recommend this to a non-techy friend. One day. :-)

[Frappacino]

geeze, i just ordered a n900 and it hasnt even arrived yet, and this Meego stuff happens.

wtf is Nokia thinking? if they knew about the meego plans a while back, why release n900 at all if they had no plans to support it ?

yes i researched alot on n900 but i thought the next iteration will be progressive and so ppl will be much less inclined to "hold off" for the next device (i.e. there will alwasy be a next device, so buy the one u need now) and so community work will be done

this meego has a "big bang" perception that will make ppl wait before committing time effort and $$$ to the n900 (oh wait for this big one, because this change may be huge and if we early adopt we might as well early adopt after the big change)

are Nokia too clueless to realize what they are doing ? they have effectively shafted all existing buyers of n900. Yes I have read Ari's blog but his fancy verbal wording has convinced me there will be no official meego for n900 - let the community pick up the pieces yea cause the community works for free

unless some miracle annoucement happens, i will be returning my n900

yes this is a whine and ***** and yes its my fault i bought the device, but seriously I have 0 confidence in Nokia's common sense right now. At least google knows not to shaft ppl this badly

[Bijiont]

geeze, i just ordered a n900 and it hasnt even arrived yet, and this Meego stuff happens.

wtf is Nokia thinking? if they knew about the meego plans a while back, why release n900 at all if they had no plans to support it ?

yes i researched alot on n900 but i thought the next iteration will be progressive and so ppl will be much less inclined to "hold off" for the next device (i.e. there will alwasy be a next device, so buy the one u need now) and so community work will be done

this meego has a "big bang" perception that will make ppl wait before committing time effort and $$$ to the n900 (oh wait for this big one, because this change may be huge and if we early adopt we might as well early adopt after the big change)

are Nokia too clueless to realize what they are doing ? they have effectively shafted all existing buyers of n900. Yes I have read Ari's blog but his fancy verbal wording has convinced me there will be no official meego for n900 - let the community pick up the pieces yea cause the community works for free

unless some miracle annoucement happens, i will be returning my n900

yes this is a whine and ***** and yes its my fault i bought the device, but seriously I have 0 confidence in Nokia's common sense right now. At least google knows not to shaft ppl this badly

I agree however let's not forget Nokia is a buisness and what are all big buisness after? Simple, it's money. Providing Nokia can take money from your pocket and place it in their banks they at the end of the day could care less about N900 and Meego.

It's sad really beacuse we all expect a certain level of customer service and explination why X company is doing Y things to it's customers. Which doesn't appear to be the case here because we have all seen the Nokia song and dance before, it's nothing new.

I really wish Nokia would invest more in quality and customer service because at the end of the day there would be a lot less end user complaints. Heck when the N900 ordering system was messed up I spent like 8 hours on the phone trying to order and that is just unexceptable.

[zwer]

are Nokia too clueless to realize what they are doing ? they have effectively shafted all existing buyers of n900. Yes I have read Ari's blog but his fancy verbal wording has convinced me there will be no official meego for n900 - let the community pick up the pieces yea cause the community works for free

How exactly did Nokia shaft you by announcing MeeGo? Here is how Nokia shafted me (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=500912#post500912) in the past. Now I don't feel shafted at all, there is nothing better for my needs out there than the N900, period. MeeGo on N900 would be nice, but even if it wont be there, I don't see how I am shafted - it will still do the job it does now, and does it flawlessly at that. That's from user stand point, from developer's perspective I'm waiting to see how well will Qt 4.6 fare on N900 with the PR1.2, but so far it seems promising so no shafting there either...

[Shervin]

Well, the $200 is subsidized so in the end you pay way more than the $500 unlocked N900.

Personally can't stand running one app at a time. I haven't done that since my old Palm III days, but to each his own. I'd rather throw in my lot with Linux / Noktel even though they're being lame about the N900 future. If QT is all its cracked up to be we'll soon rule the world!

You forgot... Apple do not include flash support because they want you to watch/buy/listen/play everything from their costly iTunes. Not from some website with flash video, game, or music player.

Also for n900.. I am ANGRY because I am used to my HTC WinMo phones where I could load the updated OSs... I ran WinMo 6 on my HTC Tytn II....

[mccwho]

Well it looks like Nokia is not even waiting for 1 year to pass before killing the N900, I think I am going to return mine, it cost to much to be jurked around like this.
There is no security in this purchase (like the N800, N810 wasn't) or stability of the product.
If customers feel that a N900 purchase will result in the same situation that the N8XX customers are going through then they just killed the N900.
I feel NO confidence in my purchase. I am going back to Palm.

Update:
I just saw this video,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLT1-j_7SAo

The guy said we will see the first MeeGo devices this year, What does this tell you?? Then he says devices that we already have.
So I see thsi as they plan to put out some stuff for the N900 but their real focus is the new stuff NOT the N900. So I am still going to return mine and get a palm and a "Always Innovating" tablet.

Maybe this helps explain why there has been NO flash 10 update yet.
I don't trust Nokia!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh Well, it was a nice idea, like so many of their other phones that failed.

[russo_br]

I am one of the N900 owners who are worried about its future. The reason is simple, most consumers want to know if Nokia will support upgrading N900 to Meego in an official way, not just using the excuse "the community can do it, it is open".

Nokia refers to N900 as a pocket computer, but they are behaving like Apple with this excuse. You can install Linux or Windows on a Macbook, it is just not supported by them... The big difference is that Apple only develop OSX, and Nokia will offer both Maemo 5 and Meego.

I followed the news and Nokia just didn't assume that will or will not support an Meego upgrade on N900, but I hope they decide to support it. The argument about N900 benefit from Meego devices due to Qt application portability won't convince me, since Symbian users will benefit as well.

In case Meego is not officially supported I am sure there will be a community ported version, but all closed source applications also won't be officially supported on N900 running a hacked Meego (even Ovi Maps is a good example, since Nokia set the milestone to offer free turn-by-turn navigation to Harmattan, aka Meego now).

Come on Nokia, please make up your mind and tell us soon if you will support Meego on N900!! Don't ask for all the Maemo community to join Meego if you plan to let N900 early adopters on their own...

[felbutss]

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!

ummm guys if you goto MeeGo.com you will see this on the front page.

its a n900, im not getting excited yet BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THE N900 IS GETTING MMeeeeeeGGGGGGGGOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[EMAD]

It only looks like the N900... but it could the upcoming N9xx

The picture is blurry and you cannot see at all if the device says N900.

I am hopeful still :cool:

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!

ummm guys if you goto MeeGo.com you will see this on the front page.

its a n900, im not getting excited yet BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THE N900 IS GETTING MMeeeeeeGGGGGGGGOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[felbutss]

i think it could be the n900. doubt nokia will release a major new device which looks the same as the n900

[Frappacino]

how did they shaft me?

by effectively pushing the community forward leaving n900 owners behind

with meego, if you were an app developer, would you develop now for m5 with Meego on the horizon ? fix a few bugs maybe, but major work?

compatibility ? i will believe it when i see it, suffice to say i have 0 confidence with Nokia due to its astounding lack of common sense. i have 0 confidence in meego going forward

the common sense thing to do is to either delay n900 to after meego, or made sure its supported, or announce meego, then release n900 and say UP FRONT that n900 will not have meego

you can argue otherwise, but at the end of the day, MANY n900 owners are feeling totally shafted, and we will not buy a high end nokia, and we will tell our friends not to buy a high end nokia (low end is fine, who cares about support there)

[eikido]

And what if Nokia themselves don't know if they will bring meego to the N900? That is what i think.

[mooninite]

with meego, if you were an app developer, would you develop now for m5 with Meego on the horizon ? fix a few bugs maybe, but major work?


Yes, I'm going to still develop on Maemo. Why? Because any work I'll do *will* work for MeeGo. There's a ton of FUD going around that will say otherwise and it's already to the point of being ridiculous.

[Dario1970]

They announce an OS without a device. If they support N900 they would have said. It would have been a boost for sales.

No dreams.

[Dario1970]

Yes, I'm going to still develop on Maemo. Why? Because any work I'll do *will* work for MeeGo. There's a ton of FUD going around that will say otherwise and it's already to the point of being ridiculous.

Ok, you'll do it!
But a great software house (Office, Sygic) will do it also? I don't think so.
I suppose that will deal multitouch software for new device.

There are few N900 around. The game is not worth the effort. My two cent.

[geohsia]

Yes, I'm going to still develop on Maemo. Why? Because any work I'll do *will* work for MeeGo. There's a ton of FUD going around that will say otherwise and it's already to the point of being ridiculous.

So current Maemo 5 non-QT binaries are forward compatible with Harmattan and Meego (I separate the two because Harmattan is Meego compatible even though they're calling it Meego)? If so then I am relieved thanks.

[Kajko]

So current Maemo 5 non-QT binaries are forward compatible with Harmattan and Meego. If so then I am relieved thanks.

Can somebody confirm this please?

[Rob1n]

So current Maemo 5 non-QT binaries are forward compatible with Harmattan and Meego (I separate the two because Harmattan is Meego compatible even though they're calling it Meego)? If so then I am relieved thanks.

That wasn't what mooninite said - he said that anything he develops will work on both. Current non-Qt apps is questionable - GTK+ will still be supported on MeeGo, but not necessarily with the Hildon extensions. That would seem to be (mostly) going to be up to the (ex-)Moblin developers, as GTK+ support appears to fall under their remit.

[mooninite]

So current Maemo 5 non-QT binaries are forward compatible with Harmattan and Meego (I separate the two because Harmattan is Meego compatible even though they're calling it Meego)? If so then I am relieved thanks.

The same Linux environment will exist. The same libraries (most likely more recent versions) will be available as well. Maemo devices and MeeGo devices will be Linux through and through. This isn't a change like going from Maemo to Android, which is still Linux but has a Java VM instead of libc.

It won't be perfect though, I'm not saying that. Some programs that add functionality to Nokia closed-source programs and libraries won't be available in MeeGo - such as the phone and contact apps. This is to be expected as the front-end apps will change up a bit. Again though, the underlying environment will remain semantically the same. Don't get caught up in the RPM vs. Deb bike-shedding either.

That wasn't what mooninite said - he said that anything he develops will work on both. Current non-Qt apps is questionable - GTK+ will still be supported on MeeGo, but not necessarily with the Hildon extensions. That would seem to be (mostly) going to be up to the (ex-)Moblin developers, as GTK+ support appears to fall under their remit.
Yes, I meant my projects, but my projects won't be the only ones who continue to work under MeeGo. How do you guys think Evince, Abiword, Koffice, or any other desktop-originated app can run on Maemo? Because Maemo is Linux.

[Laughing Man]

Ok, you'll do it!
But a great software house (Office, Sygic) will do it also? I don't think so.
I suppose that will deal multitouch software for new device.

There are few N900 around. The game is not worth the effort. My two cent.

Yeah they'll do it. Why? Because they can take whatever they put on the N900 on other Meego devices if they build it in QT.

You need to seperate software support and OS support. Regardless of whether the N900 gets Meego it will still have software support due to QT cross compatibility. It's OS support in the terms of bugfixes and reasonable enhancements that's in question.

[Dario1970]

I hope you're right Laughing Man. I'm waiting for productivity and business software and for a nav system!

[slender]

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!

ummm guys if you goto MeeGo.com you will see this on the front page.

its a n900, im not getting excited yet BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THE N900 IS GETTING MMeeeeeeGGGGGGGGOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YEEEEEE
And LOOOOOK
There is Vimeos webpage on N900 offical page so it can probably show* HD flash or at least normal flash videos from that webpage.
WOOHOOO.


Or maybe not :|

.edit
Depends on how you define word show.

[russo_br]

Yeah they'll do it. Why? Because they can take whatever they put on the N900 on other Meego devices if they build it in QT.

You need to seperate software support and OS support. Regardless of whether the N900 gets Meego it will still have software support due to QT cross compatibility. It's OS support in the terms of bugfixes and reasonable enhancements that's in question.

But they won't if they didn't build their apps purely in Qt. I've just posted a question today in the Sygic GPS thread asking if they built the app in QT, but no answer yet... If they built it using GTK it won't be easily ported to Meego devices....

[mooninite]

But they won't if they didn't build their apps purely in Qt. I've just posted a question today in the Sygic GPS thread asking if they built the app in QT, but no answer yet... If they built it using GTK it won't be easily ported to Meego devices....

Stop spreading FUD! GTK and Qt apps will be equally supported under MeeGo.

[Lazariaus]

[QUOTE=mooninite;533227]
Stop spreading FUD! GTK and Qt apps will be equally supported under MeeGo.[/QUOTE

This whole argument and the subsequent confusion could all be avoided with Nokia pr shooting it straight where the n900 stands. Nokia has some splaning to do lucy. Until they do people are going to go nuts wondering if meego will work on it, backwards and forwards compatibility issues....etc. I know it's only been a couple of days but leaving everyone scratching there heads only frustrates them. I personally have decided to just ride it out and see what happens...but some Nokia road map for n900 for a reasonable time span (maybe a year or near it) would stop the rumors, the arguing, and the anxiety of all.

That's my .02

[aphexsean]

I just saw a recent article about the launch of meego at some gig in barcalona and they say that meamo 6 will b meego.I hope this will be the case.How can they make their flagship phone obselete when that arent any apps available for it yet in the ovi store.? its completely ridiculous, if they do not make it available on the nokia n900 ,they must be taking us for fools if they expect us to pay £500 for a phone on an OS which no one will be developing for in a couple of months.

[aphexsean]

Here is the link where i saw that meamo 6 will be developed as meego


"Nokia previously has said it will use Maemo as the platform for its high-end wireless devices. The company today said that commitment extends to MeeGo; Nokia explained that MeeGo will essentially replace Maemo in its product lineup. Nokia's N900 runs version 5 of Maemo. During its press conference, a Nokia executive said MeeGo will not affect Nokia's support for Symbian, which the company has said it will use for its mid-range devices and smartphones."

Read more: http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/nokia-intel-team-linux-meego/2010-02-15#ixzz0fqgZGZIO



http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/nokia-intel-team-linux-meego/2010-02-15

[russo_br]

Stop spreading FUD! GTK and Qt apps will be equally supported under MeeGo.

It is not FUD, I am a N900 owner and my interest is only on making sure I didn't spend my money on a deprecated device.

If you know so much about Meego please explain how GTK apps will run on other devices without considerable code change. Portability with little or no need for change in the source code is something that Nokia is only advertising for QT apps. I don't think applications made with GTK and Hildon desktop will be so easily ported to Meego.

[Dave999]

well. the first version of meego will be released Q2 and at that time n900 is the best device to test it on. why release a version without a device?

[Laughing Man]

But they won't if they didn't build their apps purely in Qt. I've just posted a question today in the Sygic GPS thread asking if they built the app in QT, but no answer yet... If they built it using GTK it won't be easily ported to Meego devices....

I believe Meego still has GTK support, rather it's hildon support that's not there. Meaning the apps won't look well integrated into the device and stick out like a sore thumb. But you are right that QT is better suited for cross-compatibility.

[qgil]

How can they make their flagship phone obselete when that arent any apps available for it yet in the ovi store.?

It's actually the other way around. The MeeGo prospects are already awaking more interest from software vendors and application developers. Many already came to the Nokia floor next to Mobile World Congress asking where to start. The answer is: go get an N900 and start developing on Qt with it. This is the best and fastest path to target forthcoming MeeGo handsets.

All got the message. Please take a minute to understand this and help spreading this message.

[Frappacino]

Maybe you guys are right, maybe this compatibility thing will work.

But you know what, I have no trust atm. Nokia's absolute SILENCE and lack of clarity on this issue has me convinced they want to sweep the the n900 under the carpet.

All the statements out so far have been fancy verbal dodging worthly of Bill Clinton, when 1 single CLEAR statement from Nokia can dispel all the "FUD" you claim disgrunted n900 (or accuse us of being astroturfers lol) are spreading

Nokia is doing this to itself, FUD is a natural outgrowth of silence. This is not some stupid campaign waged by Nokia's competitors, it is Nokia's old patterns of behaviour and silence which is doing this.

Until this issue is cleared up, I will not gamble 600$, especially in this economic climate. So my n900 goes back and I will advise friends who were interested in my purchase to hold off until this issue gets clarity.

Again, the biggest fuel for FUD here is spread by Nokia itself, and not anyone else.

[maxximuscool]

It's actually the other way around. The MeeGo prospects are already awaking more interest from software vendors and application developers. Many already came to the Nokia floor next to Mobile World Congress asking where to start. The answer is: go get an N900 and start developing on Qt with it. This is the best and fastest path to target forthcoming MeeGo handsets.

All got the message. Please take a minute to understand this and help spreading this message.

So by what you've said above, this meant that N900 will never ever get MeeGo upgrade? right?

"go get an N900 and start developing on Qt with it. This is the best and fastest path to target forthcoming MeeGo handsets."

So why would developers or consumers buy the product that will no longer be the stack holding the development? Developing QT apps for the next handsets and N900 won't be a part of the next or Nokia Called it future flagship devices OS MeeGo.

This meant that N900 is no longer Nokia concern? nor priority? This device is only 2months and 18days old from the day it's officially released, which is in End of November or December.

The Maemo future flagship is no longer the case now. So it seems that we all are wasted our moneys investing in this device since the day Nokia announced that MeeGo won't be on N900?

[ossipena]

So it seems that we all are wasted our moneys investing in this device since the day Nokia announced that MeeGo won't be on N900?

wrong.

all the people who speculated that N900 will be updateable to M6 and bought N900 only that in mind, have probably wasted their money. But the fool and the money are always parted....

[vietn900]

Why are you guys jumping to conclusion already? Nokia hasn't officially said that they are leaving the n900 behind and meego isn't out until 2nd half of 2010 or later ... technology becomes outdated within 6 months or so. So for those of you who already sold your n900 have fun waiting for the next meego device which you never know when in time it comes out; while us n900 users still enjoy our n900s while waiting :D

[maxximuscool]

wrong.

all the people who speculated that N900 will be updateable to M6 and bought N900 only that in mind, have probably wasted their money. But the fool and the money are always parted....

so what is your point here? I love my N900 and I want to see its future with something better than the buggy maemo5 right now. I love maemo5 but there still so much bugs to fix and so far there is no added functionality to the Camera photo nor Video pause function. No Zoom onscreen, nothing really implemented and yet the bluetooth bug really put me off. I can't even use my bluetooth headset with it, which I need it while i'm driving.

If maemo5 not promising to be a bit future proof then why not just put MeeGo on N900 and start develop on it instead of being on QT alone and do nothing good to the device but for testing purposes. The OS is the best potential OS out there, it's no wrong about it. But it is lacking of investment and no future proof.

Now a day almost every other competitors offering software upgrade to keep their products on the market for longer and make more moneys with the old technology as well as the new one. And all the device now a day has almost identical hardware inside. I see no point of not making it runs the future OS at least 1 upgrade or 2.

But that just me. I want to see a better future rather seeing the device slowly fade away into the dark and being the Geek Device to everyone else. I don't mind but if MeeGo runs on this device, I bet it would be more user friendly and more people would buy

[ossipena]

so what is your point here? I love my N900 and I want to see its future with something better than the buggy maemo5 right now. I love maemo5 but there still so much bugs to fix and so far there is no added functionality to the Camera photo nor Video pause function. No Zoom onscreen, nothing really implemented and yet the bluetooth bug really put me off. I can't even use my bluetooth headset with it, which I need it while i'm driving.

If maemo5 not promising to be a bit future proof then why not just put MeeGo on N900 and start develop on it instead of being on QT alone and do nothing good to the device but for testing purposes. The OS is the best potential OS out there, it's no wrong about it. But it is lacking of investment and no future proof.

Now a day almost every other competitors offering software upgrade to keep their products on the market for longer and make more moneys with the old technology as well as the new one. And all the device now a day has almost identical hardware inside. I see no point of not making it runs the future OS at least 1 upgrade or 2.

But that just me. I want to see a better future rather seeing the device slowly fade away into the dark and being the Geek Device to everyone else. I don't mind but if MeeGo runs on this device, I bet it would be more user friendly and more people would buy
so you are the fool. that is the point. IMO it is the most stupid thing to do: spend your money to a device that you think it isn't worth the money but possibly is in the future.

[maxximuscool]

so you are the fool. that is the point. IMO it is the most stupid thing to do: spend your money to a device that you think it isn't worth the money but possibly is in the future.

Well so are you? If i'm a fool then you are also. I never thought that the device is not worth the money, I am one of the pre-order and I am happy to get my device. I think you did not read the last few comments, I said I love my N900 and Maemo.

There is nothing wrong in expecting something better from the device or future of it. It's like buying Windows 7 now and expecting a better updates to SP1 or SP2 or even SP3 for it's life time and support and loads more extra functionality to it.

I'm not like you who bought the device because of it's a Nokia.. I bought it because I love the idea of OpenSource and I am supporting the idea of Open OS and System that allowing a long future of support. Anyway get back to the topic. Don't get side track.

[ossipena]

Well so are you? If i'm a fool then you are also. I never thought that the device is not worth the money, I am one of the pre-order and I am happy to get my device. I think you did not read the last few comments, I said I love my N900 and Maemo.

There is nothing wrong in expecting something better from the device or future of it. It's like buying Windows 7 now and expecting a better updates to SP1 or SP2 or even SP3 for it's life time and support and loads more extra functionality to it.

I'm not like you who bought the device because of it's a Nokia.. I bought it because I love the idea of OpenSource and I am supporting the idea of Open OS and System that allowing a long future of support. Anyway get back to the topic. Don't get side track.
why are you then complaining about money spent for nothing?

[spoonbuddy]

From what I have read:

Nokia cannot say whether Meego will ever be available for the N900 as they would lose the chance to market the first Meego device.

Maemo 6 is still being worked on. Nokia are so far in to its development that they have no choice but to continue developing it and calling it an 'instance' of Meego.

It has also been said that Nokia are looking at putting a version of Maemo6 on the N900 but cannot confirm this until thay have resolved a few issues eg. Multi-touch.

Nokia are actively telling developers to get the N900 and start making apps.

To me, this all points to Nokia supporting the N900. I'm hopeful that the next software update will be the steeping stone.

I may have to wait a couple more weeks for the update but until then I see no point being negative.

[qgil]

So by what you've said above, this meant that N900 will never ever get MeeGo upgrade? right?

If I write "Last night I dreamt I went to Manderley again (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebecca_(novel)#Plot_summary)", will you also make similar conclusions? :)

What I want to say is: even if you are interested in the N900 alone here and now, developers (specially commercial developers) are interested in volumes and future plans. The perspectives of MeeGo with it's API compatibility across MeeGo devices + Symbian devices is much more interesting than the focus on the N900 alone. Today there is still no MeeGo release, no MeeGo SDK and no reference hardware announced, but you can get the N900 with Qt 4.6 official around the corner and a decent development environment. With your apps developed targetting the N900 you can also start practising the Ovi Store game and etc.

This is something developers understand and (let me insist) this is something useful also for concerned N900 users to understand. Even if it doesn't answer directly your question here and now of whether Nokia will support MeeGo in the N900 or not.

[maxximuscool]

@spoonbuddy,
Yeah I agree with your comment bud. I really hope so too. first couple main things i want to see in the next update is camera functionality, on screen picture zoom, better map and can use offline search and most importantly the bluetooth stack issues.

I have no dice with my bluetooth headset at all. Everytime it use it, I feel like i'm listening to transformer robots talking in my ear. lol.

Oh well, I am just worrying too much about the future of the N900 that is all. I love this device so much that I cannot wait and do nothing and let it lay low and be forgotten. If we all don't say anything then it's obvious that NOKIA will forget and ignore us. We all want full support on what we pay for right?:)

[ossipena]

If I write "Last night I dreamt I went to Manderley again (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebecca_(novel)#Plot_summary)", will you also make similar conclusions? :)

What I want to say is: even if you are interested in the N900 alone here and now, developers (specially commercial developers) are interested in volumes and future plans. The perspectives of MeeGo with it's API compatibility across MeeGo devices + Symbian devices is much more interesting than the focus on the N900 alone. Today there is still no MeeGo release, no MeeGo SDK and no reference hardware announced, but you can get the N900 with Qt 4.6 official around the corner and a decent development environment. With your apps developed targetting the N900 you can also start practising the Ovi Store game and etc.

This is something developers understand and (let me insist) this is something useful also for concerned N900 users to understand. Even if it doesn't answer directly your question here and now of whether Nokia will support MeeGo in the N900 or not.

now we just wait for all the devs in the world to rush buying a N900 and look at the prices of used N900s rocket to skies... ;)

[maxximuscool]

If I write "Last night I dreamt I went to Manderley again (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebecca_(novel)#Plot_summary)", will you also make similar conclusions? :)

What I want to say is: even if you are interested in the N900 alone here and now, developers (specially commercial developers) are interested in volumes and future plans. The perspectives of MeeGo with it's API compatibility across MeeGo devices + Symbian devices is much more interesting than the focus on the N900 alone. Today there is still no MeeGo release, no MeeGo SDK and no reference hardware announced, but you can get the N900 with Qt 4.6 official around the corner and a decent development environment. With your apps developed targetting the N900 you can also start practising the Ovi Store game and etc.

This is something developers understand and (let me insist) this is something useful also for concerned N900 users to understand. Even if it doesn't answer directly your question here and now of whether Nokia will support MeeGo in the N900 or not.

Alright, thank for clearing it up Qqil, so do you know or have any idea when will the MeeGo SDK being release? I should refreshing up my C++ programming language and build something, have not used it for 4years and I am clueless now only know how to read the code but don't how to really start a big one.

Anyway, I hope you keep giving us some good news related to the life span of our N900 here. We all would be very appreciated to your contribution. :o

[roundyz]

I really dont see how the device matters in this merger, no doubt intel are going to push thier hardware, and is there any release dates for the platform? N900 users should be grateful if it even comes the device, untill then long live maemo 5.

You also need to consider the actual life span of a smart phone, regardless of price or ones own love for it, 2 years perhaps? In which time I doubt nokia and intel will have both hardware and software ready in time from the announcement or even from the n900 release date.

[maxximuscool]

Let there be light for the mighty Maemo5. Let there be peace from this moment to next. May Maemo5 be remembered by every N900 users, may it be sound to the world, hallelujah. Let us pray

N900 the last Maemo: The Chronicle of Nokia N900

:)

[jsa]

Alright, thank for clearing it up Qqil, so do you know or have any idea when will the MeeGo SDK being release? I should refreshing up my C++ programming language and build something, have not used it for 4years and I am clueless now only know how to read the code but don't how to really start a big one.

Anyway, I hope you keep giving us some good news related to the life span of our N900 here. We all would be very appreciated to your contribution. :o

You still seem to be missing the point. The point qgil has been trying to do here, and for companies at MWC is that you can develop for N900 in Qt NOW, no need to wait for Meego SDKs! The underlying platform components in Harmattan and Meego should be quite similar to what Maemo 5 has and if you use Qt you can carry the work you do now for Maemo 5 over to Meego and Harmattan later. It won't be a completely duplicate effort.

[russo_br]

If I write "Last night I dreamt I went to Manderley again (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebecca_(novel)#Plot_summary)", will you also make similar conclusions? :)

What I want to say is: even if you are interested in the N900 alone here and now, developers (specially commercial developers) are interested in volumes and future plans. The perspectives of MeeGo with it's API compatibility across MeeGo devices + Symbian devices is much more interesting than the focus on the N900 alone. Today there is still no MeeGo release, no MeeGo SDK and no reference hardware announced, but you can get the N900 with Qt 4.6 official around the corner and a decent development environment. With your apps developed targetting the N900 you can also start practising the Ovi Store game and etc.

This is something developers understand and (let me insist) this is something useful also for concerned N900 users to understand. Even if it doesn't answer directly your question here and now of whether Nokia will support MeeGo in the N900 or not.

It is clear at least for me that QT is the path for developers and it shall benefit all Maemo, Meego and even Symbian device owners due to application portability. I also have no doubt that the announcement will only strength a really open Linux O.S. for embedded devices like we have know, changing the market for mobile apps.

But I am an end-user, not a developer, and features important to me like Ovi Maps free navigation are being pushed to Harmattan/Meego (and that's just one example, there are also other features that needs improvement & bug corrections, like email client, Ovi Suite compatibility, etc). From the N900 owners point of view it would be a relief to hear from Nokia a commitment to support Meego on our devices.

[Shervin]

Sigh I understand now... but it is very sad that Nokia do not follow Android/Apple/WinMo with backwards compatibility/constant update schedules.
My next phone will depend on how my N900 is supported.

Another thing that annoys me is that YES I understand programs written with QT will work on Maemo, MeeGo, and Symbian... But it still DOESNT change the fact that Maemo is now not even the focus... Instead MeeGo and Symbian will be. It FEELS like a dead end... It feels like at first it will be ok and we will benefit but then slowly die off.

[onutz]

I'd bet qgil says Nokia HOPES "that you can develop for N900 in Qt NOW, no need to wait for Meego SDKs!"

[Frappacino]

update on ari jaaksi's blog

http://jaaksi.blogspot.com/2010/02/n900-meego-and-barcelona.html

most telling paragraph

"But there is better to come. The announcement of MeeGo takes N900 even further. Now listen to this:

MeeGo has already gotten many more people interested in N900 than Maemo platform alone would have done. I already know many people now gearing up their Qt based application development on N900. Why now? Because now they know it will not be just a Nokia-only thing but will be much wider and thus worth investing in. This means that there will be more applications for N900 owners in the future than there would have been without MeeGo. This is for sure. This is the most important thing for the majority of N900 customers. With MeeGo, Maemo and N900 will only go stronger!"

that last sentence is telling. But the whole paragraph is very clear too

its obvious at this point what these verbal dodges mean - emphasis is only on n900 benefitting from meego - so no meego for n900,

so weak of Nokia not to come out and admit the ovbvious.

oh well, your mileage may vary

[Olvi]

Seems kinda obvious the N900 will not get Harmattan/Meego/whatever. They just don't want to say it as it would destroy N900 sales at the moment. No proper Maps, no video calling, no portrait etc. The future of the N900 is just like it was on release, plus maybe some bugfixes. Not big ones though, those are in Harmattan.

But hey, some yet unknown future developer might just port their QT-programs to the N900 as well! So what are you complaining.

[toto29820]

I like maemo 5's UI much more. May not upgrade to MeeeeGoooo even nokia offers it.

[onutz]

I like maemo 5's UI much more. May not upgrade to MeeeeGoooo even nokia offers it.
That's the perfect attitude !

[ajflex]

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I believe everyone has known moblin and maemo are merging. As a user of N900, I was sad and sorrowful. From the nokia.com, meego.com and intel.com, we've already known that N900 is the last device (and first) which runs Maemo 5 OS. In other words, Maemo 5 is a transitional step walking by NOKIA However, because of the design of hardware of N900 and Nokia's benefit, this device can probably NOT be updated to Meego (note: Maemo 6 doesn't exist any longer). All of these mean WE ARE ORPHANS. Nobody is gonna take of us...
Let's cry...There are less and less softwares we could use; there are more and more bugs we will find. What a tragedy!
Let me use this word "囧" to describe my current feeling!!!


nokia don't say that you we will not get me-ego os


they promise us a upgrade to me-ego os so we will get it
n900 will be one of the first to get that os

[Laughing Man]

Let's cry...There are less and less softwares we could use; there are more and more bugs we will find. What a tragedy!
Let me use this word "囧" to describe my current feeling!!!


nokia don't say that you we will not get me-ego os


they promise us a upgrade to me-ego os so we will get it
n900 will be one of the first to get that os

Err... out of all the things you said the only thing that could possibly be true is the bug fixes.

If the QT cross-compatibility plan works out then the N900 running Maemo 5 (or Mer or if it does get Meego) will be able to run any QT app that any Meego variant runs (Meego itself is not a specific OS it seems, since they plan on it being installable on a variety of devices). So that solves the software issue. Sure some things may not work (e.g. if an app uses multitouch) but that wouldn't work even if you could upgrade the N900 to a Meego device.

And I haven't read anywhere that Nokia promised the N900 would get Meego or Maemo 6 (before the Meego announcement).

Like I said before to another user, you need to seperate software from the OS. Think of it this way, if you have a computer that runs Windows XP, just because it doesn't run Windows 7 doesn't mean it can't run the same apps, as long as the libraries they are based off of are the same.

[geohsia]

... In other words, Maemo 5 is a transitional step walking by NOKIA However, because of the design of hardware of N900 and Nokia's benefit, this device can probably NOT be updated to Meego (note: Maemo 6 doesn't exist any longer). All of these mean WE ARE ORPHANS. Nobody is gonna take of us...
Let's cry...

nokia don't say that you we will not get me-ego os

...

Ok, here's what I don't get. We knew that Maemo 5 was transitional. Seriously, we knew that Harmattan was coming, but fact is Harmattan is now transitional too. Forget the fact that it's being called Meego. Meego compatible (as they first referred to it). Harmattan hasn't changed even though they've taken the Meego branding. Isn't Meego as in the Moblin/ Maemo blend separate from Harmattan?

So if people are ok with Harmattan then people should be ok with Maemo 5 right? Forget about the names. I know I'm being pedantic. If Harmattan is Meego-compatible then isn't Fremantle Meego-compatible because of QT?

IMHO with the announcement of Meego (proper), Maemo 5 and Harmattan are both transitional, regardless of what you call it, right?

BTW, even with all of the angst about Meego, the more I use my N900 the more I like it. Is that wrong?

[Dave999]

Before nokia released the news about meego. We were in the same position as now. We all knew that maemo 6 were the next step and there were no guarantee that maemo 6 would work on n900. so what has really changed? Nothing.

Dont worry, be happy!

[Laughing Man]

Before nokia released the news about meego. We were in the same position as now. We all knew that maemo 6 were the next step and there were no guarantee that maemo 6 would work on n900. so what has really changed? Nothing.

Dont worry, be happy!

Exactly. Not much has changed on the floor plan regarding whether the N900 will be updated to another OS. What's more important is the cross-compatibility of apps. Thus regardless of the OS you run, as long as you can take a QT app developed on the N900 and run it on a Meego device, and likewise take a Qt app developed on a Meego device and run it on the N900, then we're good.

Interestingly, I don't know how Intel or Nokia plans on supporting Meego OS wise across any device. With their proclaimed plans for the Meego OS it seems that the OS will be running on different platforms with many different configurations (touch screen, no touch screen, keyboard, no keyboard, bluetooth, no bluetooth, etc..)

That should make supporting Meego... rather interesting from a bugfix perspective. Especially as you factor in numerous hardware possibilities. Even companies like Microsoft have trouble with that.

[~phoenix~]

wtf?? are this all kiddie here?? i can not understand why are you crying? what i m think is i piss on meego... maemo sounds anyway cooler... why i should cry and loose much time with research about things whitch will be in summer or later? i'm happy with my n900 and maemo5 here and now.... i'm happy that i can do things with my n900 witch i can never do with a iphone or a blackberry... so tell me why should i cry?? when meego comes out maemo5 will be as good as bugfree.... and i rather have a working maemio5 than a brnd new buggy meego...
and when you remember every nokia had his bugs in the beginnig...

btw... anyone who is asking why he cannt update his n900 to meego could also ask why he cannot update his nok 3310 to symbian 9.2.... ;)

my point is: i'm happy with the device i bought... and anyone who isn't should return it as fast as he can.....

sry for my bad english

greetz from austria.....

[ogre]

Before nokia released the news about meego. We were in the same position as now. We all knew that maemo 6 were the next step and there were no guarantee that maemo 6 would work on n900. so what has really changed? Nothing.

Dont worry, be happy!

Exactly! It is clear from interviews there has never been any plan to update the OS on the n900. The meego announcement has just brought it to people's attention. Nokia doesn't have a mindset of updating phone OS on existing models- just bug patches to the existing OS.

Perhaps all the attention this is getting with n900 will get Nokia to change their thinking which has to be a good thing!

a posting on why yet not plan update for n900
http://techifile.blogspot.com/2010/02/meego-n900-and-how-nokia-doesnt-yet-get.html

Sad thing is app compatibility may well be an issue looking at the announcement, but not because of meego

[snubmoggy]

I havent read the whole thread so apologies if this has already been picked upon but...

Has anyone noticed the the N900 is on the home page of
Meego.com??

http://www.meego.com

I know it is just marketing, but it is interesting that they would use the N900 if Meego isnt going to be available for it??

[mmlado]

Nokia doesn't have a mindset of updating phone OS on existing models- just bug patches to the existing OS.

It wouldn't be an issue, I'm happy with Maemo 5, but the problem is that there are many bugs that won't be fixed in the existing OS. Those, famous, marked as "Fixed in Harmattan".

[aikon800]

The question I have in mind is that I know that Nokia and Moblin are working on a combined OS for their devices, but is the approach more like windows mobile 7, that companies can't customized the UI the Os is only one and runs the same on all hand held devices. Because LG is bringing MeeGo smartphone as well, so do Nokia & LG and in future others have the same UI(OS) but only the hardware differentiates, Is that rue or all Nokia and Moblin hard work will be shared by others..???

[Tex14]

so you are the fool. that is the point. IMO it is the most stupid thing to do: spend your money to a device that you think it isn't worth the money but possibly is in the future.

You should be banned for calling people fools and being so rude

[Rob1n]

The question I have in mind is that I know that Nokia and Moblin are working on a combined OS for their devices, but is the approach more like windows mobile 7, that companies can't customized the UI the Os is only one and runs the same on all hand held devices. Because LG is bringing MeeGo smartphone as well, so do Nokia & LG and in future others have the same UI(OS) but only the hardware differentiates, Is that rue or all Nokia and Moblin hard work will be shared by others..???

MeeGo will provide a reference UI (presumably Qt based), but vendors can modify it or create their own.

[Frappacino]

You should be banned for calling people fools and being so rude

ignore him, there are rabid fanboys on both sides of the fence

the ironic thing is that one of the selling points of the phone is its opennesss and community, both of which ONLY provide benefits IN THE FUTURE, and it is the community which current disatisfied n900 users fear will move on mostly to meego. that and the "fixed in hartleman" stuff of course. fact of the matter is, many of us dont know what meego will be (read ari's blog, he doesnt know 100% either) but what we DO care is that we are left with a dead end phone cause everyone has rushed off to this new thing

but fanboys will be fanboys

at the end of the day, nokia only listens to $$$, sell/return your n900 and buy another phone and tell your friends the same

[sachin007]

I am sure most of the crucial bugs will be taken care off by nokia in the next firmware updates. Another thing to remember is that harmattan/maemo 6 are going to be based on omap3 which is the same hardware as n900 so i assume 95% of the changes to harmattan will be somehow applied to n900. Ofcourse the crucial thing is that the n900 does not support capacitative multitiouch so that may be the biggest obstacle to harmattan on n900.

Most of maemo 5 is already very nice. Some of the features missing are in regular phone department which nokia is king anyway. It just takes some time to get them all into this new platform.

Just enjoy your n900.... because no matter how much you guys complain we know that there is nothing near to n900 when it comes to a portable mobile computer.

I just wish the next device comes with a bigger screen. .... somewhere around 5 inches would be perfect.

[gerbick]

I am sure most of the crucial bugs will be taken care off by nokia in the next firmware updates.

I'm a betting man. I doubt they will fix any crucial bugs. My faith has to be earned, Nokia's done pretty much everything to lose my faith.

Another thing to remember is that harmattan/maemo 6 are going to be based on omap3 which is the same hardware as n900 so i assume 95% of the changes to harmattan will be somehow applied to n900. Ofcourse the crucial thing is that the n900 does not support capacitative multitiouch so that may be the biggest obstacle to harmattan on n900.

You can assume all day. But until they announce it, it's just that... assumptions. I'm not arguing what you're saying, I actually agree... I just don't share the same amount of faith they will back port. Nor do I think that people will be as receptive because it might mean that "Maemo 6 is a fork" of MeeGo only (paraphrase).

Most of maemo 5 is already very nice.

Indeed. It is quite nice. But it's not yet complete - some features in this level are missing, some things still not fixed.

Some of the features missing are in regular phone department which nokia is king anyway. It just takes some time to get them all into this new platform.

But do they have a reason to do it now? I see none.

Just enjoy your n900...

Here we agree 100%.

I just wish the next device comes with a bigger screen. .... somewhere around 5 inches would be perfect.

Add longer support, and we agree 100% here too.

[maxximuscool]

I havent read the whole thread so apologies if this has already been picked upon but...

Has anyone noticed the the N900 is on the home page of
Meego.com??

http://www.meego.com

I know it is just marketing, but it is interesting that they would use the N900 if Meego isnt going to be available for it??

Well because N900 can Run QT4.6 base software, that make N900 in the same pack as MeeGo in software compatible.

This is like Ubuntu and Yellow Dog Linux and Red Hat Linux. All are linux and all are using the same core kernal and libraries but different compilation of software.


FACT!

NOKIA N900 WILL NEVER GET MEEGO NOR MAEMO6.

FACT!

NOKIA N900 WILL NEVER GET VIDEO CALLING, PORTRAIT MODE ETC..

FACTS... so MANY facts...

[geohsia]

I know it is just marketing, but it is interesting that they would use the N900 if Meego isnt going to be available for it??

Nokia isn't stupid. They're not going to put an iPhone or a Nexus one. The N900 was their only choice. There is no hidden meaning or coded message.

[gerbick]

FACT!

NOKIA N900 WILL NEVER GET MEEGO NOR MAEMO6.

FACT!

NOKIA N900 WILL NEVER GET VIDEO CALLING, PORTRAIT MODE ETC..

FACTS... so MANY facts...

Care to show your sources? Those facts aren't... facts quite yet.

[maxximuscool]

Care to show your sources? Those facts aren't... facts quite yet.

well if it is not the fact why is not there any information related to the facts being the rumours?

If you can prove that N900 will get the MeeGo then my facts are wrong, until you can prove that my fact is wrong therefore you cannot say my facts are not the fact.

The source is Nokia themselves never say or admit and also on MeeGo forum has nothing that related to N900 except the picture of N900 in the front page.

Why would not NOKIA say it directly? well because they still want to make more money with the N900 and if they say that the N900 is just a testing beta and will never be Nokia intention to moving the beta to a full version OS then Nokia will never sell any more N900 nor developers would put their efforts into making software for it. So this way they are securing the market share for the N900 for the time being while waiting for the right moment and moves to say it out to the public when the time is right.

That is when they got the New better improved N9XX series. Facts are hidden in their statement just like one of the forum member described above.

[DaKing]

you got a good point of view but its really sad that however it bothers me thatiphone 2G can be updated to 3GS same software! and nokia will relsease an os version newer then maemo 5 in less than 1 year of N900 and not updatable screw that nokia we r really sick of ur service im considering apple in the future if that happens since iphone 3gs was nt bad and since its customer service is the best and they always keeps there customers happy with each release that one of the major reasons of apple success having only 1 gadget of mobile per year only... its a competitive market & nokia seems to screw wiz us again its nt only firmware also some hardware failures especially the micro usb port issues which are making me feel scared everytime i plug my device which is at least twice a day,sliding scratches,dead pixels,reboots,dead mic, and whats mostly funny that couple of days nokia uploaded a demo for maemo6 which we will probably nt use in the N900 and made our device stuck in a reboot loop and had 2 flash emmc image & firmware.. currently im happy with my device i loved maemo and the fact of the keyboard and microb & firefox browser and when meego is released iphone 4g released ill check if there's no updates no care from nokia then i might change back again to apple but will keep my N900 for tweeks since its really the best gadget i ever used but have some issues & all the issues are because of stupid nokia! and yea this post is by using the N900 damn i wish meego will be on this device :(

[maxximuscool]

@DaKing,

Don't feel too sad bud. Just make the most of it out of our N900 for the time being and may be stick to it until you have enough cash to spend on the next device then move along heheh.

I do hope Nokia changing their mind to port MeeGo to N900 though but so far no words of it being on the N900.

[mccarmo]

From my point of view, if the N900 will get Meego or not does not matter. Currently the N900 already has everything really useful I need. I can access all the sites that interest me via my 3G connection. I can hear my music, read my rss, view one or more videos on a trip with a great quality, use GPS to guide me in my town (here I do not need the navigation system, small town and I rarely travel very far :)). Almost everything I need my n810 already did, of course, but not with the same speed. From now on anything that comes to the N900 is profit. What I really need is a portrait mode. Anyway, that's my point of view.

The N900, even if Meego be released tomorrow, will not become a paperweight staff. At least not for me. :)

[DaKing]

@maxximuscool;
yes u r right thats totally what im going to do at least we gotta enjoy it to the max now right :)

[M|ch]

ok i was readin all this topic now, i know i want the meego on my n900 as many of u, but i have questions will this mean that the n900 wont be having flash 10.1 in the future ?

and another thing is lets say n900 will be compatible with meego applications, so the only difference between n900 and meego device is what the interface.

for me i only care about browsing and instant messaging. i dont really care about many apps since most of them are useless.

but as a whole what will that affect the n900. will the browser wont get any updates ? will it be powerful enough to handle full browsin till next year ?

[kirangp]

I would really agree with Nokia if they are not able to port Meego to N900 due to hardware restrictions. That doesn't seem to be the case here cause atm N900 is their flagship device. As Apple has shown that all their customers get the software updates but some features wont be supported due to hardware limitations. So the lifeline of a device increases considerably along with these updates and the applications created for the operating system. So basically anyone who buys an Apple smartphone needn't worry about the software aspect side can be rest assured that future versions will be supported as long as the hardware supports it.
But with Nokia...No no no.. they just want to mess around with the N900 owners by not taking a stand regarding the whole Maemo6/Meego issue. Just cause they made a deal with Intel doesn't mean that they are not answerable to n900 owners and the developers for Maemo platform. Its an expectancy of any customer that whatever device they invest in should atleast be supported for a couple of years with a 3rd party application support. I agree with what Steve Jobs said. " Its not the phone that will be successful in the smartphone market but it is the apps that are on the phone that will make it successful".

I completely disagree with people who are saying that whether N900 gets Meego or Maemo6 doesnt matter and the device should be enjoyed as it is. That can happen for a short period of time but once Meego is released and if it doesnt come to N900 and when developers dont support Maemo then you will think about N900 being a very bad investment. If Nokia gives valid reasons of not supporting the device then I can understand but N900 being a very capable phone(except capacitive touch) If Nokia doesn't support it as they dont have resources or they are too lazy to support it then it is totally my bad luck that I got this phone.
atm Windows 7 does look good. I will wait till the end of the year and see how Microsoft progresses with W7

[Laughing Man]

I would really agree with Nokia if they are not able to port Meego to N900 due to hardware restrictions.

...


Its an expectancy of any customer that whatever device they invest in should atleast be supported for a couple of years with a 3rd party application support. I agree with what Steve Jobs said. " Its not the phone that will be successful in the smartphone market but it is the apps that are on the phone that will make it successful".

I completely disagree with people who are saying that whether N900 gets Meego or Maemo6 doesnt matter and the device should be enjoyed as it is. That can happen for a short period of time but once Meego is released and if it doesnt come to N900 and when developers dont support Maemo then you will think about N900 being a very bad investment. If Nokia gives valid reasons of not supporting the device then I can understand but N900 being a very capable phone(except capacitive touch) If Nokia doesn't support it as they dont have resources or they are too lazy to support it then it is totally my bad luck that I got this phone.
atm Windows 7 does look good. I will wait till the end of the year and see how Microsoft progresses with W7

I can't imagine the reason for Nokia not to port Meego to the N900 is incompatible hardware, considering the wide scale of devices that Nokia and Intel intend for Meego to run on.

As for the second half of your post, well it's a good thing we have QT then. There's the app support, regardless of what OS your running. Though it'll have its fair share of initial bugs.

[zwer]

well if it is not the fact why is not there any information related to the facts being the rumours?

If you can prove that N900 will get the MeeGo then my facts are wrong, until you can prove that my fact is wrong therefore you cannot say my facts are not the fact.

You have a somewhat weird sense of what the word 'fact' really means. It's a bit like saying: "The fact is that you are an idiot, prove me otherwise." The burden of proof is on someone making an extraordinary claim that something is a fact, not on the one who claims that it is not a fact. You cannot disprove something that is not proven in the first place. You should've paid more attention on science classes in your school days, that's the first thing you learn about science, and that is the prime reason why science works (and ultimately brings us goodies such as N900).

Have Nokia ever claimed that the N900 will not get MeeGo/Harmattan? Or that it will, for that matter? Nope, hence that can go either way. You may claim that it's safe to assume that it won't judging by previous experiences with Nokia, but an assumption is not, and cannot be a fact.

As for all those FUD naysayers, especially those claiming that N900 is somehow a dead-end device for which Nokia doesn't care, nor will care now when there is a new kid on the block called MeeGo, here are some real facts:

1. Nokia still rolls out N900s from their factories, so the userbase is actually growing.
2. After a month and a half of the device in the wild, we had a first minor update, a week later a major one, then couple weeks later another minor one, and another major one is coming in the next couple of weeks. If that indicates unsupported and abbandoned device, I wish all my gadgets are that much abbandoned, unsupported and dead-end. And since people here love to compare the support level to Apple's or Google's, care to mention one of 'their' devices that has such support? For f. sake, it took Apple a year to publish the first major update to make the iPhone do something my phones were doing for years - installing 3rd party apps. And another year for the next major update that brought a feature which every smartphone had since the 2002, if not earlier - copy/paste. And they still don't have the most fundamental feature of them all - multitasking. In my book the biggest difference between a smartphone and a dumb/feature phone is multitasking.
3. Name me one other pocketable device that can do what N900 can do out of the box.
4. There is no MeeGo device out there, in fact even the core reference platform for it does not exist. And Nokia openly claims that you should get N900 if you wish to jump on the MeeGo train. That says two things - they indeed value the N900, and that N900 will be at core level compatible with MeeGo even if it doesn't get he MeeGo itself.
5. For f. sake, you've purchased an open-source(ish) device so that you don't hold all your eggs in one basket, namely so that Nokia is NOT the one and only in charge of what will become of your device, now practice that privilege!

N900 is out there and it is NOW, what the future will hold for it and how the things will develop we cannot know, I don't think that even Nokia themselves have a very clear idea on that one. If you keep looking in the future ignoring the present you will never get a new device, as the next one wil probably be better, faster, with broader support... that's the nature of technical progress.

If there is a device out there on the market that better suits your needs, you should've bought it instead of the N900; or you should sell/throw away your N900 and get that device. If you don't want to deal with the inherent uncertainty of the Maemo/MeeGo platform, you should also sell your N900 and wait a couple of years to see where it's heading. Do whatever you like but please, for the love of your favorite imagnary friend, stop spreading the FUD!

Now, quit bi.chin' and get out of my kitchen! ;)

Painstakingly typed on my N900

[geohsia]

4. There is no MeeGo device out there, in fact even the core reference platform for it does not exist.

Bingo. This is the big question isn't it. Back when we were talking about Maemo 5 and Harmattan we were already seeing lots of "will not fix" in this release and pushing things off to Harmattan to be addressed.

Nokia has decided not to throw away their investment in Maemo 6 but the implied direction is Meego, the platform which you mention does not yet exist. If the Maemo 5 issues were being pushed off to Maemo 6 how soon ( and I know this is speculation) will Maemo 6 issues be pushed off to Meego. The issue is that Maemo 5 and Harmattan are legacy and from a packaging and ui point of view may not be consistent with Meego.

Now some argue it's all Linux what's the big deal and QT is write once and run anywhere, but we've heard that before right? We know that UI needs to be tweaked for QT even though it "technically" runs. Same goes for the Linux. Just because it compiles doesn't mean the UI framework is the same nor the packaging. Though it's not like re-writing everything all over again the fact is when the N900 is the only device with Maemo 5 (presumately there will be more than one device running Harmattan though in reality we don't know that either) will Nokia and the developers want to spend time with Maemo 5 for a small ROI? Wouldn't they want to work on OS'es that hit multiple devices that presumably has more customers and bigger footprint?

We're now even further down the totem pole. The fact is (if I may use that word) if we bumped up to Harmattan we enter the larger pool and will have support and also give Harmattan a bigger user / developer base. Ultimately isn't that a win for everyone?

Otherwise once Harmattan releases I think you'll see a sharp drop in activity regarding releases for Maemo 5. Why spend resources on the old platform when you have a current platform to fix bugs for a newer platform to plan for?

Very different than the Apple approach. Yes, you argue that it took them forever and really, they did take forever. The fact is though the benefits of that are that early generations benefit from future generations. Isn't that a good thing? Isn't that a model that should be applauded?

And Nokia openly claims that you should get N900 if you wish to jump on the MeeGo train. That says two things - they indeed value the N900, and that N900 will be at core level compatible with MeeGo even if it doesn't get he MeeGo itself.
5. For f. sake, you've purchased an open-source(ish) device so that you don't hold all your eggs in one basket, namely so that Nokia is NOT the one and only in charge of what will become of your device, now practice that privilege!

Well, I'm certainly not going to exercise my right to rewrite the whole OS. Thanks but no thanks. If what you're referring to is that we can run any OS I have to push back. Personally and it's just an opinion. I like the fact that you can create any Linux, but one of the biggest problems with Linux is continual fragmentation. While they are all at the core Linux, dealing with the nuances of each because someone didn't like this or that at some point gets counterproductive. If we're just talking Maemo 5 and Harmattan I think I can argue, 2 not too bad. But you throw in Meego? C'mon... 3 Linux variants in one year? You've got to be kidding me right? Seriously. I don't care how much better we are than Apple...

N900 is out there and it is NOW, what the future will hold for it and how the things will develop we cannot know, I don't think that even Nokia themselves have a very clear idea on that one. If you keep looking in the future ignoring the present you will never get a new device, as the next one wil probably be better, faster, with broader support... that's the nature of technical progress.

Again, I can't agree with you more, but I wish I could say that to Nokia about software. They keep looking to the future wishing the next platform to be even better than the current, Harmattan, Meego, Mer? Seriously. Stop. Pick one and stick to it...

Painstakingly typed on my N900

You have mighty thumbs. I'm on a laptop and I can barely get my words straight.

[maxximuscool]

The fact is that you are an idiot, prove me otherwise.

You should've paid more attention on science classes in your school days, that's the first thing you learn about science, and that is the prime reason why science works (and ultimately brings us goodies such as N900).

You may claim that it's safe to assume that it won't judging by previous experiences with Nokia, but an assumption is not, and cannot be a fact.

As for all those FUD naysayers, especially those claiming that N900 is somehow a dead-end device for which Nokia doesn't care, nor will care now when there is a new kid on the block called MeeGo, here are some real facts:

And since people here love to compare the support level to Apple's or Google's, care to mention one of 'their' devices that has such support? For f. sake, it took Apple a year to publish the first major update to make the iPhone do something my phones were doing for years

4. There is no MeeGo device out there, in fact even the core reference platform for it does not exist. And Nokia openly claims that you should get N900 if you wish to jump on the MeeGo train.


If there is a device out there on the market that better suits your needs, you should've bought it instead of the N900;

or you should sell/throw away your N900 and get that device.

Do whatever you like but please, for the love of your favorite imagnary friend, stop spreading the FUD!

Now, quit bi.chin' and get out of my kitchen! ;)

Painstakingly typed on my N900


Excuse me, your comment is an idiot comment yourself. Making such claims that the N900 will be running MeeGo is such foolish thing to say. For your information I'm not an idiot like you who is ignorantly dream of something that may or may not happened. Beside science doesn't teach you how to prove or disprove the future may be hold. Science is there to co-exist with imagination. Learn your history of CellPhone before you start spitting out bulls.

Nokia did not claimed that N900 is on MeeGo train. Nokia said, to start with MeeGo developer should work it on QT4.6 which is a cross platform SDK that will work on MeeGo devices. But N900 is the only device that supporting QT4.6 right now. So start Developing applications on it for the future MeeGO.

As for the devices out there that suite my needs, it is none of your business which I would preferred. Beside I did not state that I dislike my N900 and telling me to throw it away and I bought the N900 because I wanted to. SO piss off and stop FUD-ing around yourself.

For your information, I do not have an imaginary friends like yourself. And by saying that it will not be on the Device is not FUD. It is better to expecting less than the actual outcome of uncertainty. If you have too much hope and then at the end you will get no MeeGO then what would make of you? Be disappointed now better than waiting for it to happen in the future.

It is great if it does get MeeGO but as for now do not hold your breath until the proper announcement from Nokia in words.

By the way, are you working for NOKIA or something? If not then can move a long and stop FUD-ing the rumours of N900 getting MeeGO until Nokia announced it.

One important thing is to stop calling people Idiot and abusing people in this forum. We are all a part of the forum. We will be treated equally.

[zwer]

Whether yo are an idiot or not, it is not on me to decide, nor to care for that matter. What I can safely say, tho, is that beside not knowing what the word 'fact' means (and what the acronym FUD stands for), you obviously don't have proper reading skills either. If you however do, then please go back and read more carefully.

[sony123]

It just came across to me that Nokia is unsure how big Harmattan will be since it's currently under development, and as a result they are not sure whether they can fit the new OS in N900 due to the ram issue. It's probably gonna be tight considering the added features/frameworks in Harmattan... so Nokia would wait till Harmattan is code complete then they will take a look at whether it makes sense to provide upgrade option for N900.

[ogre]

Nokia has never provided an OS version upgrade for any phone so far. Remember phones started more as appliances rather than computers. An appliance performs the functionality it had when purchased. You get bug fixes, not new functions.

Getting new functions and OS upgrades is computer thinking, which is why that is what happens on iPhones which come from a computer company.

The current official stance from Nokia is that Meego/Maemo6 will run on the n900 but it is up to the community to provide and support it. Not Nokia.

However, this could change. The N900 could be considered the first mobile computer and so the rules are not yet set in concrete. But for now no new OS for either n900 or for ANY future nokia. This is not a restriction because of meego or specific to the n900- it is the current Nokia way unless changed.

See here for source of these thoughts and words from nokia
source/ (http://techifile.blogspot.com/)

[davidh101]

Getting new functions and OS upgrades is computer thinking, which is why that is what happens on iPhones which come from a computer company.


Is this really true, aren't the iPhone OS Upgrades really just the same as a symbian firmware update, adding the features that they missed, and fixing bugs, don't they just market it as an OS to make it sound bigger and more flexible than it really is?

All in all, I think this merge is going to be a good thing, similar to Sony and Ericsson back in the day when they merged the handset production to try and compete with Nokia, this merge of the OS will give a much more powerful and flexible platform, the N900 won't get left behind (until the hardware is out of date)

I truely think it will finally be something that will p**s all over the iPhone (N900 already does) and open it to a much larger audience.

[nax3000]

loling at the tags
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[ogre]

Is this really true, aren't the iPhone OS Upgrades really just the same as a symbian firmware update, adding the features that they missed, and fixing bugs, don't they just market it as an OS to make it sound bigger and more flexible than it really is?
.

I am not certain about the iPhone upgrades, and i dont want to sound like an iPhone fan as i am not. It was just an example.

I would say it is purely a bug fix if the sole objective is to address phone bugs or even missing features, it is an OS upgrade if a key feature is adding APIs to allow compatibility with a newer standard for apps. I was under the impression iPhone upgrades have added APIs just as the computer os ugrades have. With computers, OS upgrades usually come at a cost and many people are willing to pay the cost.
I would have never considered paying for an upgrade to a symbian phone....but for the n900 and a new os version i would. I think there is a different dynamic here now phones are more app platforms like computers rather than appliances.

I hope Nokia either decide themselves or can be persuaded to change their thinking. They don't sound closed to the idea....just it is not the current thinking. But it should be understood by those reading this thread that Nokia has not planned to offer Maemo6 or Meego type upgrades for the n900 or any other past or future phone simply because there has not be a need before. Phones were primarily phones with smart features, not app platforms. New features didnt come from apps or software before.

[davidh101]

I would say it is purely a bug fix if the sole objective is to address phone bugs or even missing features, it is an OS upgrade if a key feature is adding APIs to allow compatibility with a newer standard for apps. I was under the impression iPhone upgrades have added APIs just as the computer os ugrades have.

Yes, i think you are probably right actually, I guess my reson for feeling that they are not really an OS upgrade is due to the fact of each one seems to really add functionality that a mobile phone should have had in the first place (I know the updates probably do more than that too).......I've never been an iFan, so i guess I can't really comment.

I just think we shouldn't all panic, I don't think we will get left behind

[Stskeeps]

Since this is one of many threads about "What about Maemo6, MeeGo" on N900 and it will be keep going on because it will appear in "New posts" constantly, swirling around the same topic.

Yes, you have worries about being left behind, please take some time to read through this thread:

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45213

I've tried to help create some clarity on this issue, so please understand the big picture here.

You aren't being left behind. You're being empowered. And we need to focus on how we can make the future happen for N900 too.

[davidh101]

Since this is one of many threads about "What about Maemo6, MeeGo" on N900 and it will be keep going on because it will appear in "New posts" constantly, swirling around the same topic.

Yes, you have worries about being left behind, please take some time to read through this thread:

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45213

I've tried to help create some clarity on this issue, so please understand the big picture here.

You aren't being left behind. You're being empowered. And we need to focus on how we can make the future happen for N900 too.

I've read that, and fully agree, change can, and I think will be a good thing

[russo_br]

I like the fact that you can create any Linux, but one of the biggest problems with Linux is continual fragmentation. While they are all at the core Linux, dealing with the nuances of each because someone didn't like this or that at some point gets counterproductive.


Tottally agree with the continual fragmentation affecting Linux in general. That's one downside of the open source, the community is the core value but also makes it difficult to stick with one common roadmap.

I work in a role of selling Linux high-end servers for mission critical applications. You can see in the server market that only Red Hat and Suse are well accepted in the corporate market, and the main reason is the ecosystem of supported applications from 3rd parties. I guess lots of the members here work(ed) for big companies, and you can compare Oracle DB supported OS for example. Most Red Hat versions are officially supported by the launch of a new version, but CentOS (Red Hat free distribution) is not. For those whom are getting the point I am trying to make, Meego on N900 supported by Nokia will be like Red Hat, while a Meego version ported by the community would be like CentOS.

[Rauha]

FACT!

NOKIA N900 WILL NEVER GET MEEGO NOR MAEMO6.

FACT!

NOKIA N900 WILL NEVER GET VIDEO CALLING, PORTRAIT MODE ETC..

FACTS... so MANY facts...
Evidence for these fatcs is hidden under your caps-lock key?

[geohsia]

Tottally agree with the continual fragmentation affecting Linux in general. That's one downside of the open source, the community is the core value but also makes it difficult to stick with one common roadmap.
...
Most Red Hat versions are officially supported by the launch of a new version, but CentOS (Red Hat free distribution) is not. For those whom are getting the point I am trying to make, Meego on N900 supported by Nokia will be like Red Hat, while a Meego version ported by the community would be like CentOS.

If we look at a pure Linux community I think they're ok with the model Nokia is adopting, but when you're trying to attract typical smartphone consumers the model doesn't fly (thus the angst).

Most enterprises only go with SuSE or Red Hat because they want (need really) the "one throat to choke". If there is an issue, they go to one vendor to demand a fix. If its from the community you hope someone hears your cry for help or you fix it yourself. I can't speak for everyone but I think the non Linux consumer wants to look to Nokia to be the one to manage their software.

Now if I am wrong someone should tell me but as far as I know the community can't touch the core apps which is the big issue. What if there are issues with memory leaks, kernel panicks, battery drain or the core apps (phone, browser, etc) just need to be updated. The community can't touch that. I love my third-party apps, but the phone core system and functionality is justas important if not more.

So we have a problem, how do we get these types of users comfortable with the Linux model? I don't know. I'm not sure we can or if we even should.

This is an important question to ask now because when they have the Harmattan to Meego (proper) transition the same questions may come up because its the same type of audience.

[rushman]

Evidence for these fatcs is hidden under your caps-lock key?

FACT!

NOKIA N900 WILL GET MEEGO OR MAEMO6.

FACT!

NOKIA N900 WILL GET VIDEO CALLING, PORTRAIT MODE ETC..

FACTS... so MANY facts...

[yorg]

well if it is not the fact why is not there any information related to the facts being the rumours?

If you can prove that N900 will get the MeeGo then my facts are wrong, until you can prove that my fact is wrong therefore you cannot say my facts are not the fact.

i am bitting my lip

:eek:

[davidh101]

FACT!

NOKIA N900 WILL GET MEEGO OR MAEMO6.

FACT!

NOKIA N900 WILL GET VIDEO CALLING, PORTRAIT MODE ETC..

FACTS... so MANY facts...

Very funny, i like how you turned that around!!!!!

Anyway, isn't it that more apps do have Portrait mode in the new PR1.1.1, such as the browser...................i could of course be entirely making that up

[ajflex]

if you where to listen keenly clean your hears properly you would hear what have been said same for many of you stop complaining
start with existing nokia n900 and moblin os devices that existing willl get it first laptop tv will get 2nd quarter


same kernel used in moblin and maemo 6 =meego

qt 4.6 willl make Symbian and me-ego or (maemo6) will be easier to create the same game and application
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SNafLSS4JQ
but n900 will be getting me-ego os

time fine tuned is 11:00-11:40
talk about Symbian and me-ego os and the future in terms of Nokia n900 me-ego os

q&a will n900 get the me-ego os
15:42-17:02

[Ronaldo]

not sure if this was posted but interesting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8nVhsvaQ7c&feature=player_embedded

[Laughing Man]

Anyway, isn't it that more apps do have Portrait mode in the new PR1.1.1, such as the browser...................i could of course be entirely making that up

Well for 3rd party apps, it's up to the developer. But QT 4.6 does make it easier for developers to implement portrait support, if they choose.

As for 1st party applications (as in those that come with the firmware). Only the browser has had a recent addition to portrait mode support. Media player, email, the file manager, and the default RSS feeder still do not have portrait support.

[maxximuscool]

Stop hoping and start living. Whether N900 will get MeeGo or not is not you all to decide. My previous post was to stop people who has so much hope for MeeGo to be on N900. Those he who hope for it might be very disappointed if meego will not be on N900 in the future. But for who did not would still be happy with his N900 whether it is getting the MeeGo or not. My point is stop beg and exaggeratig yourself for MeeGO. And start living and enjoy your device because you paid for it. Do what ever you like with it. To me i rather stopped hoping for the time being and enjoying my device. Aslong my device running smoothly and every functionality works then i don't care.

[geohsia]

...
time fine tuned is 11:00-11:40
talk about Symbian and me-ego os and the future in terms of Nokia n900 me-ego os

q&a will n900 get the me-ego os
15:42-17:02

All references have been the application framework and QT which we all know about which you can say is part of Meego, but isn't the core OS or services of Meego. Listen again to what he says at 18:14-18:52 where the specific question about the N900 is raised not just alluded to and he says that "going forward" new apps (QT) will be forward compatible.

[DaKing]

@maxximuscool
you are totally right man ! i mean what a disappiontment it will be for those waiting for meego if they dont get it ! but at the same time it will be great for those who are not expecting it to get it ! its really best to enjoy the moment as it is now and leave the future for the future !

[ajflex]

well the future is meego os for n900

[ChristofferC]

I don't think you should expect Meego on N900, and I don't think it matters much. What matters is that it will be pretty easy to write apps that work on both Maemo 5 and Meego.

[fatalsaint]

I don't think you should expect Meego on N900, and I don't think it matters much. What matters is that it will be pretty easy to write apps that work on both Maemo 5 and Meego.

I think we have a better chance of MeeGo than Harmattan.

[marktold]

Let's say Maemo 5 would have been the last OS ever build for phones. Everyone would have been happy with their N900 untill the keyboard would not show any letters anymore.

But as soon as someone talks about MeeGo everybody thinks they have a right to a new OS!

To me it like when I got married. It's for bether and worse and let me tell you the longer you are married the better it gets.

The N900 has many time been referred as "my baby" maybe you should start thinking about it as "my wife".

And just because there are younger models around does not make your wife less attraktive ;-)

So enjoy your N900. Stop the could have, would have, should have. You made a decition to buy the phone based on what it delivers.

If you have bought the phone on what it might deliver you were speculating and like on wall street you took a risk.

I am very happy with my N900 - AND THATS A FACT!

Regards Markus

[nhanquy]

But as soon as someone talks about MeeGo everybody thinks they have a right to a new OS!


No, I think you are wrong about this. As long as Nokia keeps supporting the old OS and make it solid after a couple years then I am a loyal happy customer. Nokia has been too quickly to drop supporting; i.e. N810 after 2 years?

[bandora]

I think we have a better chance of MeeGo than Harmattan.

Aren't they the same?? I thought Maemo 6 is Meego..

[fatalsaint]

Aren't they the same?? I thought Maemo 6 is Meego..

No... Maemo 6 will be compatible with MeeGo.. but it is not MeeGo.

IIRC.. Maemo 6 will still use Deb.. MeeGo uses RPM.

They've already done too much work on Harmattan to stop and start over.. so if my understanding is accurate - they are merely working to make sure Harmattan is compatible with MeeGo at an API level.

[ajflex]

there will be one or both will be availiable on the nokia n900 the videos is in fact saying that it will be getting meego os
maemo 6 dont know???????