One week to MeeGo

[kdrozd]

From Reggie Suplido tweets (http://twitter.com/rsuplido):

#MeeGo 1.0 in May, 1.1 in October, 6 months cadence from thereon

#MeeGo Day 1 is March 31st.

@valhalla_: "I am running N900 with file system built from MeeGo repo and Maemo5 kernel now"

Atom systems and N900 w/OMAP3 will be supported on Day 1. #meego #maemo

We can develop/test apps for MeeGo on netbooks :) N900 stays with Maemo as phone

[nMIK-3]

Cant wait to see MeeGo's GUI.
Hopefully it will not disappoint :)

[sachin007]

Full minutes...

http://trac.tspre.org/meetbot/meego-meeting/2010/meego-meeting.2010-03-24-19.58.html

Thanks to Reggie

[Ronaldo]

sounds promising

[Jef91]

We can develop/test apps for MeeGo on netbooks :) N900 stays with Maemo as phone

+1 for testing on netbooks... But why not dual boot the N900?

~Jeff

[santiago]

sorry for asking... will be it avaiable at the end of march? for ours n900? or just for the nokia developers? thank for the answers

[Laughing Man]

sorry for asking... will be it avaiable at the end of march? for ours n900? or just for the nokia developers? thank for the answers

It's a developer's release for everyone. Meaning that anyone could install it, but you should only install it if your a developer since it will not be as feature-complete and stable as the existing Maemo 5 OS.

So you could install it, just don't except everything to work.

[zimon]

it would be good, if it would be possible to install Meego as a secondary OS along with Maemo5. So there would be a boot menu where one chooses either one. The root fs would be different for each OS, but /home and /usr/share and such would stay the same. On the first OS one could mount the secondary OS's root fs also, /mnt/Maemo5_root /mnt/Meego1_root

[bxbomber]

def looking forward to meego more and more, especially after MS decided to take the apple route and not allow multitasking and only allowing approved apps to be installed.

Now we just need some kickass hardware for the launch of the first meego device.

[jakiman]

Would the day 1 release for N900 allow phone/sms? If so, I would definitely install it on my N900.

[lucas777]

also will video calling be enabled in 1.0 meego?

[nMIK-3]

jakiman,

nobody knows for sure.. We will wait and see. Its only a week away.

[mobiledivide]

It seems that the May release will be the one to take note of. The release next week will be an initial code release. The exciting thing is that development will be open from then on, so any and all progress should be able to be tracked by the public going towards that meego 1.0 release in May.

[R-R]

So PR1.2 and MeeGo dev at the same time? Or ....? :P

[anidel]

May be not the same day :)
But well, seems like PR1.2 is around the corner anyway...

[shadowjk]

Cant wait to see MeeGo's GUI.
Hopefully it will not disappoint :)

IIRC, At some point during the meeting they said all work so far has been on putting the base together, up to X.. So I got the impression not alot of effort has been put into doing anything with the GUI yet, so it's probably something random leftover.

[qgil]

Please set your expectations right for next week: nothing beautiful, stable or fully featured wil be released for handsets next week. 99% of you don't want to install that release in your N900 and the rest probably have two devices or is used to reflash. :)

It's a first code dump release, nothing else. It is very important from a platform development point of view, mildly interesting for application developers (because of the architecture announced, mainly) and nothing the average user or blogger will be interested playing with.

Dual boot will come at some point, or at least it's in the plans. It's clearly convenient for developers. The elegant solution implies patching the current Maemo 5 kernel and it is too late for PR 1.2. Maybe less elegant solutions are available before, maybe the elegant solution comes soon... We don't know yet and currently we have other priorities. As said, not even for the average developer these first unstable releases are interesting enough to maintain a dual boot in their devices.

[mece]

So one could be hoping for a convenient way to dual boot maemo PR1.3 release then? Sounds good to me.

[ayanes]

Great news Quim!

Announce it in meego list, the people will be happy.

Cheers,

Adrian.

[byte_76]

Please set your expectations right for next week: nothing beautiful, stable or fully featured wil be released for handsets next week. 99% of you don't want to install that release in your N900 and the rest probably have two devices or is used to reflash. :)

It's a first code dump release, nothing else. It is very important from a platform development point of view, mildly interesting for application developers (because of the architecture announced, mainly) and nothing the average user or blogger will be interested playing with.

Dual boot will come at some point, or at least it's in the plans. It's clearly convenient for developers. The elegant solution implies patching the current Maemo 5 kernel and it is too late for PR 1.2. Maybe less elegant solutions are available before, maybe the elegant solution comes soon... We don't know yet and currently we have other priorities. As said, not even for the average developer these first unstable releases are interesting enough to maintain a dual boot in their devices.

Is it safe to say that according to plans, the May release should be much more interesting in terms of GUI design and functionality of MeeGo? (Of course still not anywhere near the current or PR1.2 level of maemo 5 but more interesting for the general user none the less!)

[crown77]

this are good news its going forward ;D i hope 1.2 will bring the n9 to a new step i cant install meego as standalone couse i need a full functional Device couse.. i only have this one.

But iam happy to see that the roumors will be ending soon and it seems to be comming for the n900 now.

best regards crown *with new sense of humor*

[gusch5]

Is it safe to say that according to plans, the May release should be much more interesting in terms of GUI design and functionality of MeeGo?

I'd expect the MeeGo 1.0 release to be a lot like current Moblin (2.1). Only UI for netbooks, no UI for handsets. And the UI based on GTK.

I expect MeeGo 1.1 in october to show up an additional UI for handsets based on Qt. And the netbook UI being a mixture of GTK and Qt.

Maybe/hopefully MeeGo 1.1 will additionally have an UI for webPads (10" touchscreens) :confused:

[Robb]

What are your guy's expecting?

This will probably be just a command line version.

I'm expecting NO GUI applications.
Maybe only a few which are easy to port.
This will not be a phone - this will not be a media palyer - this will not be a GPS.
It will be ready to do all those things

Once the base is stable, all the rest will come.

[toyg]

It is very important from a platform development point of view, mildly interesting for application developers (because of the architecture announced, mainly)

Will it be guaranteed to run in a simple VM of some sort?
Will it have Qt ?
Will it have Qt Mobility ?

Answer yes to the first two, and I'm quite happy. Answer yes to all three, and I'm over the moon.

[kdrozd]

It would be great to see MeeGo the VM, in the end Atom processor is x86 so it should work on VirtualBox and probably the next 6 months I'll use MeeGo this way.

As for the GUI, it seems to me that something should be accessible enough to be able to run applications that use QtGui. I have a hope:)

I am pleased with Maemo 5 and with PR1.2 I'll be even more:)

[lma]

Please set your expectations right for next week: nothing beautiful, stable or fully featured wil be released for handsets next week.

Still, exciting times!

Do you know the level of N900 hardware support in this release? Will it have WLAN networking and battery charging at least?

Dual boot will come at some point, or at least it's in the plans. It's clearly convenient for developers. The elegant solution implies patching the current Maemo 5 kernel and it is too late for PR 1.2.

Is that KEXEC support (bug 3745 (https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3745)) or am I reading too much into it? :-)

Maybe less elegant solutions are available before


It should be possible to make bootmenu work for now.

[HangLoose]

I can haaz development environment?

Fedora/Mobling/MeeGo/etc+SDK+MADDE+Qt Creator? Also PySide ?! ;)

[chemist]

afaik available at the systems (M5 for maemo and MG1 for MeeGo1.0)
running core to X: M5 MG1
UX: M5
Full Qt4.6: M5-PR1.2 MG1
call/sms: M5
videocall: M5-PR1.2
...
it is the bare system, just the development core, nothing special nothing new not even old stuff! It is a complete fresh start and you do not need it!

I honestly don't know why everybody is freaking out about it. The first proper release is said to be about 6 Month after MG1.0 not Weeks!

For issues like charging the device or if wifi is working and other hardware stuff wait for it being released and we all will see!

[Haus3r]

afaik available at the systems (M5 for maemo and MG1 for MeeGo1.0)
running core to X: M5 MG1
UX: M5
Full Qt4.6: M5-PR1.2 MG1
call/sms: M5
videocall: M5-PR1.2
...
it is the bare system, just the development core, nothing special nothing new not even old stuff! It is a complete fresh start and you do not need it!

I honestly don't know why everybody is freaking out about it. The first proper release is said to be about 6 Month after MG1.0 not Weeks!

For issues like charging the device or if wifi is working and other hardware stuff wait for it being released and we all will see!

Im with you my friend. Someone posted earlier "oh I cant wait to see the UI!!!" - hold your horses gentlemen, this is only going to be a core, I doubt the producers had the time yet to look in "pretty looking interface ideas". They start at the base - as soon as that works, they'll move on. But what we will see (probably) end of this month is not going to be as shiny and as impressive as many people think! For me, Maemo5 is currently largely sufficient. No complaints!

[Laughing Man]

This forum is going be flooded with posts claiming "meego sucks" by noobs who don't know how to search the Internet to find that this is a barebones developer release.

[johnel]

This forum is going be flooded with posts claiming "meego sucks" by noobs who don't know how to search the Internet to find that this is a barebones developer release.

You can see this coming a "mile off".

I posted this (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=581662#post581662)

[HangLoose]

This forum is going be flooded with posts claiming "meego sucks" by noobs who don't know how to search the Internet to find that this is a barebones developer release.

so, zero tolerance in these n00bz that come here to disturb peace? should there be some sticky threads or something (which will probably be read by the same people that use the search box)

[johnel]

so, zero tolerance in these n00bz that come here to disturb peace? should there be some sticky threads or something (which will probably be read by the same people that use the search box)

It's been said numerous times the MeeGo release is a "Developer's" release and will not be ready for prime-time!

When "noobz" do state the obvous then direct them to this. (http://wiki.maemo.org/What_can_we_realistically_expect#The_MeeGo_project _has_announced_support_for_the_N900.__What_does_it _really_mean_for_my_N900_.3F)

I'm all for noobz asking questions which may be obvious to some of us so politely dirrect them to the above link.

[russo_br]

From Reggie Suplido tweets (http://twitter.com/rsuplido):

#MeeGo 1.0 in May, 1.1 in October, 6 months cadence from thereon

#MeeGo Day 1 is March 31st.


I posted an article about a Nokia Press Conference on Monday here at Sao Paulo / Brazil, where Anssi Vanjoki told that N900 will arrive to our country in about 3 months using Meego, not Maemo. Most answer called it a sensationalist post... I even emailed the journalist and he confirmed the information with Nokia Brazil to be sure. If Meego 1.0 is scheduled for May, it would be feasible at least...

The original thread with the translated article: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=48124

[Laughing Man]

so, zero tolerance in these n00bz that come here to disturb peace? should there be some sticky threads or something (which will probably be read by the same people that use the search box)

I should probably point out that I consider newbies/newbs and n00bies/n00bs/n00bz to be two different categories. I can tolerate newbies, I can't tolerate n00bies.

[detronizator]

...patching the current Maemo 5 kernel and it is too late for PR 1.2. Maybe less elegant solutions are available before, maybe the elegant solution comes soon... We don't know yet and currently we have other priorities. As said, not even for the average developer these first unstable releases are interesting enough to maintain a dual boot in their devices.

BIG OT: When PR1.2 is going to be out? :D

[jsa]

I posted an article about a Nokia Press Conference on Monday here at Sao Paulo / Brazil, where Anssi Vanjoki told that N900 will arrive to our country in about 3 months using Meego, not Maemo. Most answer called it a sensationalist post... I even emailed the journalist and he confirmed the information with Nokia Brazil to be sure. If Meego 1.0 is scheduled for May, it would be feasible at least...

The original thread with the translated article: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=48124

It has been known for weeks now that MeeGo in some form will run on the N900, confirmed by Valtteri Halla's Towards day 1 blog post. That's one reason why some may have seen it as sensationalist. The other is that you didn't specify whether you understand that there are many things that could be referred to as MeeGo, some of them of no interest to the vast majority of people reading the thread. It's kind of essential to make the distinction when discussing anything MeeGo. It may well be that Vanjoki was referring to to this "code dump" version. I can promise you I'll eat a hat full of sh** if N900 comes to Brazil in May running anything else than Maemo 5 out of the box.

[nibbles]

of course if russo_br turns out to be correct and the N900 comes with Meego in Brazil in 3 months time he should be buying me my lottery tickets

[qgil]

I just came to answer to N900 users.

If you have questions about the MeeGo release itself then the place for that is meego.com. Said that, you can wait 6 days and see for yourselves. :) We are in full production sprint and the last we need is a potential discussion behind every technical detail we disclose.

Also this is not a domesticated release that you have frozen a while ago and has gone through lengthy bugfixing. Packages come, packages go, features come in, some things break, some fixes come... If you have been in this phase of development you know what I'm talking about. :)

[RevdKathy]

Also this is not a domesticated release that you have frozen a while ago and has gone through lengthy bugfixing. Packages come, packages go, features come in, some things break, some fixes come... If you have been in this phase of development you know what I'm talking about. :)


I haven't been here before.

My interpreation is along the lines of "Here be dragons". So really only territory for knights with shining armour and white chargers. The rest of us have to wait a while or we'll end up toast.

[santiago]

BIG OT: When PR1.2 is going to be out? :D

yeah when.....

[Ulrik]

When it is done and it have been approved to release. Not sooner, not later.

[detronizator]

... Also given the fact that the Maemo SDK 5 didn't say: "if you are using Qt 4.6.2 in /opt and update to the 5th version, automatically the Qt will become 4.7 and the non-opt will become 4.6".

... causing in the way a BINARY BRAKE OF ALL THE SOFTWARE YOU WROTE SO FAR ON 4.6!!!

[russo_br]

It has been known for weeks now that MeeGo in some form will run on the N900, confirmed by Valtteri Halla's Towards day 1 blog post. That's one reason why some may have seen it as sensationalist. The other is that you didn't specify whether you understand that there are many things that could be referred to as MeeGo, some of them of no interest to the vast majority of people reading the thread. It's kind of essential to make the distinction when discussing anything MeeGo. It may well be that Vanjoki was referring to to this "code dump" version. I can promise you I'll eat a hat full of sh** if N900 comes to Brazil in May running anything else than Maemo 5 out of the box.

I am aware there will be a "core dump" version by the end of the month and this doesn't mean official support for N900, but I work at a commercial area and I don't think a VP from a major company would talk about pre-alpha on N900... the audience of that press release was journalists, not developers, and they were announcing all the new models which are about to arrive on Brazil. The article I posted was from a reliable news site, which mainly cover IT business, not technical stuff. I emailed the journalist saying that he might be wrong but he told that confirmed the news with Nokia Brazil. If Vanjoki meant the "core dump" version he passed the wrong idea for a lot of journalists, since the news was posted in other sites... Anyway, feel free to eat whatever you want!! :p

[cjp]

Yeah really interested in seeing MeeGo, although I think I can settle for screenies when it comes to MeeGo on the N900. :) But you guys have to make sure to post some screenies! :O