I hate the name "MeeGo" [Archive] - maemo.org

MoJo

04-06-2010, 08:13 PM

No seriously I hate it, the entire name that is. Why in god's green earth do Intel and Nokia think calling something meego would be cool. As a name it is quite atrocious to both pronounce and hear ... it does not inspire confidence or desire.

I get the rationale; meego ... sounds exotic, and these teeny bobbers love their wierd exotic names. Well to the old farts at Nokia and Intel, listen up 'MeeGo' isn't cool quite frankly and should be used as little as possible. As a naming scheme in the background amongst techies, sure go for it but to the public please cease and desist before names get out of control.

Both Intel and Nokia have hammered us with their Linux brand names. Moblin and Maemo, this branding has already established it's presence on our collective psyche's. To be honest they sound cool, and can be market ready as they are already established.

Now what becomes of MeeGo? Well consider it a compliance layer. Maemo 6, with MeeGo compliancy ... now when marketing it you can downplay the MeeGo part and still call the product Maemo or Moblin. It is after all a compliance layer that is being built, so wy not just call it what it is.

wmarone

04-06-2010, 08:17 PM

Can you please not choose such a flamebait title in the future?

I understand that the name is ridiculous, and many others agree, but this is just -begging- to start a needless flamewar.

MoJo

04-06-2010, 08:26 PM

Well I edited it to "I hate the name MeeGo", hope the board updates to it.

m165

04-06-2010, 08:27 PM

i dont really care for the name, as long as it works, than thats all that matters!

telnet

04-06-2010, 08:30 PM

Its just a name to me. If it works well Ill use it.
its a bit pointless complaining about a name, if the product is crap then fine moan away but moaning about the name???

better things to do.....

they could call if maepoo for all i care. as long as it works and works well then im cool. :)

MoJo

04-06-2010, 08:45 PM

True, the ultimate test is functionality. But why MeeGo, they had two perfectly good brand names to call it and they chose one random one from left field.

A name is important when it comes to marketing ... Maemo and Moblin are established not well recieved yet, but still established. This makes brand confusion, and a name is a prime indicator of a company who has a direction. Naming it Maemo or Moblin would mean they are confident behind a product, this speaks no confidence ... like a sticker badge only placed as an afterthought. The OS being an afterthought is the message I get.

A name with no heritage, is what MeeGo is.

wmarone

04-06-2010, 08:51 PM

Well they couldn't leave it Maemo or Moblin, because it is not either one of those. It's a merger of the two and as a result is something totally new.

This does not speak of no confidence by any means.

geneven

04-06-2010, 08:57 PM

I have noticed that the powers that be often pretend to share power, but when there is something fun to do like naming something, suddenly it becomes "impractical" to share the fun with the unwashed masses. I have seen this tendency on this site. So, it was "impractical" to ask for public input on the name before naming it.

NvyUs

04-06-2010, 09:00 PM

i really disliked the name MeeGo at first but now we've had time to get used to the brand, it as grown on me and feels natural now like its always been around and spoken of for years

realcomix

04-06-2010, 09:10 PM

meego hates you sir ..

roger_27

04-06-2010, 09:23 PM

you know what name really truly bothers me? MoJo, like it's so lame!

what's in a name? A rose by any other name would smell as sweet!

chill dude, I understand we are all anxious for updates but this topic is really out there. it's like when you watch that cool guy at school get all the girls for a few weeks and you start to even hate his name.....
"Tyler. what kind of stupid name is that anyways. My name is Tyler, I'm sooo cool"

MoJo

04-06-2010, 09:41 PM

Well here is like an echo chamber, because everyone here has already acclimated to MeeGo, but in the universe that isn't maemo.org ... there is confusion. It's like Samsung Bada; first thing that comes to mind is "What the hell is it ... OMG not another OS". It isn't that they couldn't go with either Maemo or Moblin, is that they didn't which is a clear difference.

Shelving two good brands instead to use a crappy name that aside this here board most don't know about. Is not only risky, but says a lot about where Nokia and Intel position this here OS.

Is it wrong to retain Maemo as the name and use MeeGo as a compliance brand?

wmarone

04-06-2010, 09:49 PM

It isn't that they couldn't go with either Maemo or Moblin, is that they didn't which is a clear difference.
Well, MeeGo -isn't- Moblin and it -isn't- Maemo. It's something else and as such needs a distinct name.

Shelving two good brands instead to use a crappy name that aside this here board most don't know about. Is not only risky, but says a lot about where Nokia and Intel position this here OS.
Developing your own Linux distribution is risky. Intel and Nokia are going out on a limb in combining the two to make a single OS out of them. That too is risky, but less so than previously. And the fact that two big names in technology are backing it give it a lot more credibility for 3rd parties than each had on its own. On top of that it's being led by the Linux Foundation, which is about as close to the core of the Linux community as you can get.

Is it wrong to retain Maemo as the name and use MeeGo as a compliance brand?
Because after Harmattan there will be nothing on Nokia phones that bears any resemblance to Maemo as it stands today. It will be something completely different (but hopefully just as open, if not moreso.)

qgil

04-07-2010, 01:01 AM

Hating a name is too little to hate. Come back in a month and you'll see.

"Maemo" or "Moblin" were no options in a merge that results in a Linux Foundation project and trademark.

Discussing a commercial brand publicly is always impractical: you need to go through all kinds of brand checks and you need to be the first in the trademark offices and the web domains shops.

You might like the name or not, but you can't deny Nokia, Intel, and the Linux Foundation have some experience managing brands.

MoJo

04-07-2010, 02:02 AM

What experience ... Ovi is a lame excuse for a service, and Intel has chips not really much of a brand to market (they make peripherals, that are bought based on functionality most of the branding is numbers X58).

You are telling me these two big companies couldn't agree on either Moblin or Maemo ... it's not like they need the trademarks since those brands will be shelved.

Anyways the name still sucks, I don't think it was a good choice. Better yet I think the best way to save face is to consider MeeGo like a compliancy badge.

Maemo with MeeGo support
Moblin with MeeGo support
XYZ Company with MeeGo support

Just like:

Intel Core2 Duo with HyperThreading

Create a standards for compliancy and that should be it.

wmarone

04-07-2010, 02:14 AM

Intel has chips not really much of a brand to market (they make peripherals, that are bought based on functionality most of the branding is numbers X58).
Wow. I never thought I'd see someone ever claim that Intel doesn't have much of a brand.

Intel has such a powerful brand, and such influence over pretty much every PC manufacturer, that HP will create a commercial and before you see HP's logo or any of their products you see the Intel logo first.

Intel has huge brand, to the point that people who don't know about computers are familiar with it. The only brand more successful was the Pentium brand, which was known (amusingly) to people who didn't even know what Intel was.

qgil

04-07-2010, 03:49 AM

I'm not going to discuss the capacity of Nokia and Intel to handle brands. It's a fact they have it.

It is also pointless to discuss whether you will like the MeeGo brand or not, whether you will hate it in a month or not anymore.

I'm also saying that Nokia, Intel and The Linux Foundation have the capacity to handle properly the MeeGo brand, and the chances are that they will do it properly.

No need to repeat this in further posts. :)

900gle

04-07-2010, 03:53 AM

wasn't meego a msn avatar a while ago ?

qwazix

04-07-2010, 04:03 AM

I will agree that for me MeeGo is an ugly name. It is also awkward to say.
"I have a blackberry"
"I have a windows phone"
"I have a MeeGo"

I think mojo is right, it's ridiculous. And stop saying that names doesn't matter, they matter. Like looks matter. And if you want proof make a quick poll who has his phone wearing a custom theme.
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zehjotkah

04-07-2010, 04:07 AM

I will agree that for me MeeGo is an ugly name. It is also awkward to say.
"I have a blackberry"
"I have a windows phone"
"I have a MeeGo"

"I have a Nokia"
or
"I have a meego phone" (from any other brand like it would be with windows mobile)

really that difficult?
I don't think so.
I like meego (everything lowercase)

qwazix

04-07-2010, 04:14 AM

lwa

04-07-2010, 04:18 AM

Intel has chips not really much of a brand to market.

Pentium? thats a brand managed by Intel.. managed so well that the word ended up meaning 'good computer'

Saying you had a "pentium computer" to computer illiterate person meant you had a fast computer, they probably hadnt heard of Intel, couldnt even tell you what a cpu or pentium was, but the general public would instantly identify with the word Pentium and presume if it had one, it was good.... and its still true today to a great degree.

zehjotkah

04-07-2010, 04:20 AM

Sorry but for me the brand is not anymore decision driving parameter for a device, but OS certainly is. And "I have a nokia" is irrelevant in a discussion about phone OS's.

Also it's my opinion but I still think "I have a meego device" is really bad comparing to "I have a symbian phone" or "I have an android device" or something.

but why you then have "I have a Blackberry" on your list, and not "I have a BlackberryOS device"?
And yes, it's a matter of taste..
But think about the following:
"My car runs meego, my house-system runs meego, my TV runs meego, my netbook runs meego, my PND runs meego, my washing machine runs meego, my EVERYTHING runs meego. I AM meego, because I am what I think"

;)

KpaL

04-07-2010, 04:30 AM

/me goes with meego

qwazix

04-07-2010, 04:44 AM

Pentium? thats a brand managed by Intel.. managed so well that the word ended up meaning 'good computer'

Saying you had a "pentium computer" to computer illiterate person meant you had a fast computer, they probably hadnt heard of Intel, couldnt even tell you what a cpu or pentium was, but the general public would instantly identify with the word Pentium and presume if it had one, it was good.... and its still true today to a great degree.

This is often NOT desirable as a marketing decision. Look for example how Google dislikes the use of the verb "google" to replace the word "search". http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2006/10/do-you-google.html Because tomorrow maybe all of us will "google" up on bing, yahoo or whatever, even if the original google dies up.

Maybe that is the reason pentium was quickly phazed out by intel, maybe that's the reason pentium is now a not-so-good computer, just above the celerons.
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lwa

04-07-2010, 05:22 AM

Ahmed360

04-07-2010, 05:41 AM

LOL your name is Mojo and you hate Meego....why is that??

I thought a person with the name Mojo would be the one who would praise and like Meego

irony....or something related

qwazix

04-07-2010, 05:45 AM

I highly doubt Pentium was at risk of becoming a genericized trademark...

Google quite possibly could... point is that intel has managed a brand, and managed it very effectively...

Pentium wasnt quickly phased out? they used it from 1993 until 2008... they did try to phase it out to create a new brand for multicore processes but OEM manufacturers wanted them to keep the brand because it meant computer sales, so pentium stuck for another 2 years on dual-core cpu's

I mean, quickly phazed out when the generalization started to happen. There are even songs with pentium in them (funny I must say, but anyway). Also I don't think pentium was a brand that needed much of a management. If we exclude the 4's and the D's they played with literally no competition, and they stood up to the expectations. You have a good product and crappy competition, for at least 3 years.
Also previous achievement's don't mean that today's choices are correct. Nokia's 4 digit branding was good for many years when the range was smaller, and the digits denoted the series (3 -> consumer, 6-> professional, 8->luxury, 9->communicators), and how advanced was the phone, (3110, 3210, 3310, 3330, 3410, 3510, 3530) Now the 4 digit branding has become pointless. Numbers are chosen almost randomly, some are even used twice over the years, phones get confused (5320, 5230) and there are so much phones that noone remembers them by heart.
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benny1967

04-07-2010, 05:47 AM

Because after Harmattan there will be nothing on Nokia phones that bears any resemblance to Maemo as it stands today. It will be something completely different (but hopefully just as open, if not moreso.)

??? How could it be "completely different" and not "bear any resemblance"? are they going to throw away linux, qt, gtk, dbus, x11, telepathy, ........?

Dactar

04-07-2010, 06:04 AM

I agree, MeeGo is not a very cool name.

But if you add a A, you can have AMeeGo (amigo = friend in spanish language). It will be just better.

twigleaf1976

04-07-2010, 06:22 AM

The name is a name, I think Nokia sounds stupid but you just accept it. And half the names that people like AMD and intel come out with for their CPU's are daft, they are just words. But some just click on the conscious like pentium and google. So who knows in a year or two.

Branding however is a complete package and the name is everything. Meemo isn't off the ground for most none techies and now they have to try and redo all that work from the start to make people get the new name. Lots of none techies know of Android, and Ubuntu, but few know of Meamo, fewer still of moblin (I didn't until the merger)

Personally I can see the writing on the wall and Meego won't be here in a year or so. It is a desparate act by two large companies trying to compete with the big boys, and the way they handled it on their own doesn't inspire confidence that merging will see any larger uptake. They are not concentrating on fixing the first thing, so I doubt the second thing will be better. Just look at MS for examples of a large company throwing money and rebranding at a bad product. (Bing, MS live, MS search, MS home server, Vista, windows mobile, etc etc etc)

What do I know, I just work in the industry, more knowledgeable people are out there.

zehjotkah

04-07-2010, 06:26 AM

It is a desparate act by two large companies trying to compete with the big boys [...]. They are not concentrating on fixing the first thing, so I doubt the second thing will be better.

They ARE the big boys, and everyone elso try to compete with THEM^^
the second thing (meego) gets everything and everything better from the first thin (maemo), so I know the seconde thing will be better.

:D

jesuska

04-07-2010, 06:28 AM

I agree, MeeGo is not a very cool name.

But if you add a A, you can have AMeeGo (amigo = friend in spanish language). It will be just better.

And change the order of the letters
you get
Gaeemo

replace the G with an M, and remove the 2nd "e".

Thats it ! A nice name.

TheDagger

04-07-2010, 06:33 AM

This reminds me of the time when Nintendo announced that their next console is going to be called Wii. Many thought that it was an awful name and the working name, Revolution, should have been used instead. I, too, thought that it was a silly name at first but not anymore.

So I guess every name takes a while to get used to.

zehjotkah

04-07-2010, 06:35 AM

I also preferred Windows Longorn over Windows Vista. Now I prefer Arch Linux.

:D

MoJo

04-07-2010, 12:28 PM

LOL your name is Mojo and you hate Meego....why is that??

I thought a person with the name Mojo would be the one who would praise and like Meego

irony....or something related

That makes no sense.

Your name Ahmed360 do you resemble a 360?

You see what I did there, spewed random gibberish ... and for the record my name isn't MoJo, that is an internet monicker just as I presume Ahmed360 is not your official name.

Back to the name scheme, MeeGo is not a marketable name. Also my remarks about Intel wasn't on the Intel corporate brand, but the Intel products ... amongst them Pentium was a good branding, and you know what the name was a marketable name. But that is not all they sell, their product line consists of chips who have a name thats just a sequence of numbers ... these aren't brand stables, they are changed often what we go by are product reviews and benchmarks, or it came with our computer/ laptop. Intel is a juggernaut in there own field, really some of their products are there that need no branding because it is the only viable option. Also the Nokia brand is good, it stands for a dependable product. But the product brands is where they are weak at.

isocoma

04-09-2010, 11:44 AM

Choosing the name "MeeGo" has succeeded in at least one aspect - Generating discussion about the product, as evidenced by this thread.

Widget2

04-09-2010, 12:27 PM

I agree..I think it's the laziest name that two stalwarts of the electronic and mobile phone indutries could think of.

What's wrong with MaeMo (maemo + moblin) :-)

Sopwith

04-09-2010, 12:33 PM

I LOVE the tags!

"meetrollin & meeflamin" -- rofl

Texrat

04-09-2010, 12:35 PM

i really disliked the name MeeGo at first but now we've had time to get used to the brand, it as grown on me and feels natural now like its always been around and spoken of for years

I'm almost with you. May take a few more months. :D

I really just wonder though if "MeeGo" was tested on some focus groups...

stlpaul

04-09-2010, 12:43 PM

wasn't meego a msn avatar a while ago ?

Yep, http://www.meegos.com/

And it has been around for years.

superg05

04-15-2010, 12:45 AM

i think MeaMin would have been better

ZShakespeare

04-15-2010, 12:58 AM

bandora

04-15-2010, 01:36 AM

It's a PR name. The components are Me, and Go. It says to the customer that the system can be tailored to their individual tastes, and communicate the things that are important in their lives while they are on the go. It's cute, and it's designed to be reminiscent of nintendo's Mii's and other social paradigms that have been sucessful like twitter.

Marketting 101.

It's ok you don't have to explain anything... It's not like there are two GIANT companies with a a HUGE marketing firm behind this OS naming... Lol I love how a bunch of people on the internet with probably 0 marketting experience posts stuff like "MeeGo is not a marketable name" yeah because they can say this since they have marketed something huge like MeeGo before....

ajflex

04-15-2010, 09:20 AM

nothing wrong with the name meego it's a combine of maemo and moblin it's more closer to maemo mae to mee mo to go
no problem with meego os it look promising for n900
maemo 1.2 is the last for nokia n900 as for maemo 5
meego os with be on nokia n900 which is better why 2 in 1 more is alway better plus everything that wasn't possible is now flash 10.1 and more and more
i am exspecting that nokia will make this opportunitydont past them bye n900 is the perfect platform for meego os with its hardware and campabilities functionality

gobuki

04-15-2010, 09:39 AM

I've had only negative connotations with the name meego. Until five minutes ago when it came to my mind that it's close to amigo. I want a meego. now! :-)

No seriously. I hope it will be released when it's done.

baron von bubba

04-15-2010, 09:45 AM

i hate the name meego says the chap called Mojo!
pot, kettle, black! ;0)

johnel

04-15-2010, 09:53 AM

I hate the name "Nigel" but each to their own.

christexaport

04-15-2010, 11:03 AM

Oh, kwitcherbichen, for crying out loud. Let's first get the OS functional enough. Names mean nothing...

gobuki

04-15-2010, 12:39 PM

Peoples names mean nothing...

Fixed that for ya :P

We can't choose our names but it's different with product names. And they can be of meaning regarding accepance.
I don't like the name, but i don't really care that much either. I would buy a phone named Shitto if it fits me. :)

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