View Full Version : Some Nokia N900 Hong Kong Edition Screenshots
amandalam
2010-05-03, 19:48
My workmate has bought a stock N900 here in Hong Kong, and I've managed to grab some screenshots from her machine. I've posted to my Chinese blog:
http://amanda_hoic.mysinablog.com/index.php?op=ViewArticle&articleId=2283480
The article is in Chinese; but from those screenshots, you will be able to tell the differences between PR1.1.1 (those in black theme) and PR1.2 (those in white theme). :D
That white theme is hot. What's it called? Is it available?
Thanks for this.
Liking the white theme.
Hey, thanks!
What is the default input method for chinese? I noticed some pretty cool looking character recognition in the video on your blog! Its also somehow mentioned at http://www.nokia.com.hk/N900 but I don't read chinese well enough to understand (and its in flash :(). Is it really there? That would be awesome!
gibsonus
2010-05-03, 20:23
Thanks for posting it. What changes did u notice. Portrait mode? MMS? Maps update?
HellFlyer
2010-05-03, 20:33
CANT WAIT TO SEE 1.2 on ALL N900!!!!
Just a question though , if i just update it through app manager will i still get more root space? or i need to reinstall everything?
Thanks
I want that white theme!
Don't we all? Unfortunately though OP is offline now :(
it is called white thame take a look on http://store.ovi.mobi/content/22886?contentArea=personalize&clickSource=browse
i prefer green melody
So basically pr1.2 is out in HK but not in the rest of the world? What gives nokia? This is aggravating...
________
Creampie Vid (http://www.****tube.com/categories/16/creampie/videos/1)
Don't we all? Unfortunately though OP is offline now :(
it's only the black and white theme off the ovi store
came out ages ago.
I actually understood few smileys there!
Taigatrommel
2010-05-03, 22:25
So basically pr1.2 is out in HK but not in the rest of the world? What gives nokia? This is aggravating...
Something like this is not uncommon. Take a look at HTC for example: When Windows 6.5 was released last year, the updates for the Touch Pro 2 rolled out slow and uncoordinated. Tweo weeks after release they supplied upgrades for four countries. We german people had to wait more than four weeks after first english firmware release till they supplied our version of the whole thing. For some countries it took even longer.
Also keep in mind that the N900 was completely launched in Hong Kong with PR 1.2 - maybe even an early adopted international version.
bunanson
2010-05-04, 00:27
...I noticed some pretty cool looking character recognition in the video on your blog! Its also somehow mentioned at http://www.nokia.com.hk/N900 ...
It also, BTW, in addition to Chinese characters, recognize alphabets, apparantly very fast from the video! WANT!
bun
Stupid question... but are there any hardware differences between the the HK N900 and the rest? Different cell radios or anything?
Stupid question... but are there any hardware differences between the the HK N900 and the rest? Different cell radios or anything?
i remember reading that the only difference is the radio transmitter which isnt built in the hk-version due to a law.
other than that, its identic.
i remember reading that the only difference is the radio transmitter which isnt built in the hk-version due to a law.
other than that, its identic[al].
Disabled, yes, but I suspect the hardware is identical down to that chip. The radio can probably be re-enabled with certain tools available in the Maemo repositories.
then...whats stopping someone from dumping the entire thing and share it with the rest of the world...I guess it's easier said than done though...
then...whats stopping someone from dumping the entire thing and share it with the rest of the world...I guess it's easier said than done though...
The firmware version is exactly the same with the "leaked" version.
amandalam
2010-05-04, 02:47
Hey, thanks!
What is the default input method for chinese? I noticed some pretty cool looking character recognition in the video on your blog! Its also somehow mentioned at http://www.nokia.com.hk/N900 but I don't read chinese well enough to understand (and its in flash :(). Is it really there? That would be awesome!
It's the handwriting solution provided by PenPower. Although Nokia Hong Kong promotes it, it's a third-party app and users will have to download it and install it by themselves.
amandalam
2010-05-04, 02:53
Disabled, yes, but I suspect the hardware is identical down to that chip. The radio can probably be re-enabled with certain tools available in the Maemo repositories.
A forum member at the Hong Kong Maemo/Moblin/Meego User Group (http://groups.to/hkmaemo/) has confirmed that the FM Transmitter hardware is there and it can be enabled with FM Boost & FMTX Faker.
It's the handwriting solution provided by PenPower. Although Nokia Hong Kong promotes it, it's a third-party app and users will have to download it and install it by themselves.
Thanks! I googled this: http://www.penpower.net/nokia/n900/Install.htm
After googletranslating and spending a while trying to understand the complicated installation guide, I found out the packages are actually in extras-devel!
mscim-n900-ppinputmethod
n900-locales-ppchinese (not sure what this one is for, its a dependecy of the above)
So I installed them and got 4 new methods for my mscim:
Chinese Pad
PINYIN Pad
Writing Pad
PINYIN Pad
The Chinese Pad is a virtual keyboard containing the strokes for chinese characters. I don't know how to use it though.
The first PINYIN Pad looks like regular mscim pinyin input (there may be some differences but I don't use googlepinyin much so I don't know).
The Writing Pad (which is what I suppose I'm interested in) and the second PINYIN Pad, however, just give me an error message: "Invalid IMEI. please visit http://www.penpower.net/nokia/n900". What the hell?? Apparently, this input method is limited to devices sold in Hong Kong?
What is this crap, Nokia?
Lets have a look at the package: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/mscim-n900-ppinputmethod/1.0.0-2010042905/
Oh, its in the free repository, so the sources are available?? Well, after having a look inside the source tarball, I found only the binaries. I'm not too knowledgeable about the packaging system, but are the packages in free repo not supposed to be opensource?
Huh?
Hello... wake up... HK version is what you are calling leaked o rc...
Hello... wake up... HK version is what you are calling leaked o rc...
The leaked version is not the HK version. This was already disproved in another thread.
What's the OS version of the HK N900?
What's the OS version of the HK N900?
The one posted by thread starter blog, it's exactly the same version as the leaked PR1.2
optimaxxx
2010-05-04, 12:08
green melody, good taste!
Spotfist
2010-05-04, 12:19
I don't get how nokia can sell the n900 in hk with the fm transmitter by simply dissabling it...
Surely that's a bit like selling illegal drugs but just saying you wont use them? Didn't Rockstar get done in the US for that hot coffee thing, sounds a bit similar. I know HK will have different laws but it's still and fm transmitter?
Also, awesome pics ;)
ossipena
2010-05-04, 12:26
I don't get how nokia can sell the n900 in hk with the fm transmitter by simply dissabling it...
Surely that's a bit like selling illegal drugs but just saying you wont use them? Didn't Rockstar get done in the US for that hot coffee thing, sounds a bit similar. I know HK will have different laws but it's still and fm transmitter?
Also, awesome pics ;)
nope. if I have understood correctly, you must void your warranty in order to get the FM tx working... so drugs -analogy is poor at its best.
http://amanda_hoic.mysinablog.com/index.php?op=ViewArticle&articleId=2283480
That's an invalid hostname (containing _) so a lot of people won't be able to resolve it.
attila77
2010-05-04, 12:59
Oh, its in the free repository, so the sources are available?? Well, after having a look inside the source tarball, I found only the binaries. I'm not too knowledgeable about the packaging system, but are the packages in free repo not supposed to be opensource?
There is a clear LGPL notice in the package, so let's give them the benefit of a doubt it's just a packaging error - I have written to the maintainer address about the issue.
There is a clear LGPL notice in the package, so let's give them the benefit of a doubt it's just a packaging error - I have written to the maintainer address about the issue.
Really? I would certainly hope so... But since there is the IMEI limitation, I doubt it will be actually opensource, because that would allow anyone to just remove the check and repackage it... I'm not sure I understand the reasoning for that check... All the information is in chinese, so its just what I gathered from google translation. Maybe some chinese speaker could shed some light on this? amandalam? :)
My chinese is not that good but I would love for penpower to work on my phone. Having a look through this link is appears that you can patch it so that you add your own imei to penpower thus allowing it to work.
For anyone with better chinese than me, is what I am saying correct?
http://forum.tgbus.com/viewthread.php?tid=1052433
nope. if I have understood correctly, you must void your warranty in order to get the FM tx working... so drugs -analogy is poor at its best.
So I won't void the warrenty on my body, if I do drugs? Cool. (Well, not really, actually)
Was there an option for english language? and i love how they tried making the phone look skinnier in the video lol
Spotfist
2010-05-04, 14:36
ye the drugs is a poor analogy but I thought the same thing when I read the case about the hot coffee debate, "Spend hours hacking the game like so, and you see some poor porno acts...Disgusting!"
Personally I agree with the voids warranty etc but surely you could actually sell a radio transmitter with an off button and then say it voids warranty if you switch it on? My point is that is there maybe a legal loophole that could be used against Nokia? I only bring it up because I dont want them going under or anything else we'll never see Pr1.2... :(
Im sure they have lawyers that sort this kind of thing out though ;)
My chinese is not that good but I would love for penpower to work on my phone. Having a look through this link is appears that you can patch it so that you add your own imei to penpower thus allowing it to work.
For anyone with better chinese than me, is what I am saying correct?
http://forum.tgbus.com/viewthread.php?tid=1052433
It does look so (judging just from the screenshots...), but this is still a pretty crappy way of getting it. I might try it when I get some time. Although I've bumped into a few bugs with that package already (like I was unable to switch to another scim method after I switched to Chinese Pad one) which make it pretty much unusable for me. (and its hard to update if you "patch" it like that)
It does look so (judging just from the screenshots...), but this is still a pretty crappy way of getting it. I might try it when I get some time. Although I've bumped into a few bugs with that package already (like I was unable to switch to another scim method after I switched to Chinese Pad one) which make it pretty much unusable for me. (and its hard to update if you "patch" it like that)
if you press that red icon to the left it allows you to change between different methods. the only thing i miss with the mscim method is the sym button for various symbols.
i will experiment with the patch tonight...
My chinese is not that good but I would love for penpower to work on my phone. Having a look through this link is appears that you can patch it so that you add your own imei to penpower thus allowing it to work.
For anyone with better chinese than me, is what I am saying correct?
http://forum.tgbus.com/viewthread.php?tid=1052433
That's a good find! You're absolutely right, the patch allows your IMEI to be usable by Penpower.
Here's a translation by myself if anyone is having difficulty following w/o knowing Chinese.
1. This step is basically telling those who already has Chinese localization in their N900 to uninstall it by first changing the system language to English.
2. In App Manager, search and download mscim-n900-ppinputmethod. (I believe as of now it's only available in extras-devel, and so the usual warning applies)
3. Download the patch provided by the link (NOTE: I've tried downloading but apparently you need to be a member of the forum with at least '5 forum currency'...) Extract the files on to desktop.
4. Upload the 4 extracted files into "usr/lib/scim-1.0/1.4.0/Helper" in your N900 and replace the existing ones. The example uses WinSCP, but I'm sure you can use other method such as SSH.
5. Get your IMEI number (i.e Settings > About)
6. Open X-Terminal enter these commands:
sudo gainroot [press enter]
sed -i"s/033336155/xxx/g" /usr/share/scim/pphwrwp/database/libpprecog.so [press enter]
Where xxx is the last 9 digit of your IMEI.
7. When all is successful with no errors, restart N900. Then you can change the system language to Chinese Traditional HK, Chinese Traditional TW, or Chinese Simplified PRC, and then enable the MSCIM input methods. Here's the settings for the MSCIM in their order:
- Activate GooglePinyin
- Activate Zhuyin
- Activate Pinyin
- Activate Handwriting
- Activate Cangjie
8. To uninstall everything, change the system language to English and uninstall "mscim-n900-ppinputmethod" and "n900-locales-ppchinese" via App Manager.
Hopefully this is helpful for those who want to experiment. As stated I'm unable to download the patch. I'll try to sign up for the forum tonight after work and see if I can download it and test out this badass penpower input.
Edit: The author of that post had a small review of Penpower. Basically he said that it's still full of bugs. For instance, when you are typing Chinese, if you don't close out of the input window, the input window will stay on the screen. He also specified that the Penpower app takes a lot of rootfs space. According to him, it's about 40mb. I guess I'll have to free up my root before attempting this out.
theclueless
2010-05-04, 17:22
still kills the Fn-Sym virtual keypad...
That's a good find! You're absolutely right, the patch allows your IMEI to be usable by Penpower.
Here's a translation by myself if anyone is having difficulty following w/o knowing Chinese.
1. This step is basically telling those who already has Chinese localization in their N900 to uninstall it by first changing the system language to English.
2. In App Manager, search and download mscim-n900-ppinputmethod. (I believe as of now it's only available in extras-devel, and so the usual warning applies)
3. Download the patch provided by the link (NOTE: I've tried downloading but apparently you need to be a member of the forum with at least '5 forum currency'...) Extract the files on to desktop.
4. Upload the 4 extracted files into "usr/lib/scim-1.0/1.4.0/Helper" in your N900 and replace the existing ones. The example uses WinSCP, but I'm sure you can use other method such as SSH.
5. Get your IMEI number (i.e Settings > About)
6. Open X-Terminal enter these commands:
sudo gainroot [press enter]
sed -i"s/033336155/xxx/g" /usr/share/scim/pphwrwp/database/libpprecog.so [press enter]
Where xxx is the last 9 digit of your IMEI.
7. When all is successful with no errors, restart N900. Then you can change the system language to Chinese Traditional HK, Chinese Traditional TW, or Chinese Simplified PRC, and then enable the MSCIM input methods. Here's the settings for the MSCIM in their order:
- Activate GooglePinyin
- Activate Zhuyin
- Activate Pinyin
- Activate Handwriting
- Activate Cangjie
8. To uninstall everything, change the system language to English and uninstall "mscim-n900-ppinputmethod" and "n900-locales-ppchinese" via App Manager.
Hopefully this is helpful for those who want to experiment. As stated I'm unable to download the patch. I'll try to sign up for the forum tonight after work and see if I can download it and test out this badass penpower input.
Edit: The author of that post had a small review of Penpower. Basically he said that it's still full of bugs. For instance, when you are typing Chinese, if you don't close out of the input window, the input window will stay on the screen. He also specified that the Penpower app takes a lot of rootfs space. According to him, it's about 40mb. I guess I'll have to free up my root before attempting this out.
I have managed to register and download the patch. am i allowed to attach it here?
Just to let you guys know that the patch does work and the writing pad comes up and is working
if you press that red icon to the left it allows you to change between different methods. the only thing i miss with the mscim method is the sym button for various symbols.
i will experiment with the patch tonight...
Yes, I figured as much. But when I press it, nothing happens. Is it working for you (in the "Chinese Pad" mode)?
Great news and thanks for the translation :) I'm gonna try it just to see how it works..
And, since the content of the package is actually under the LGPL licence, as attila77 pointed out, I think its not illegal to modify it and redistribute? Please correct me if I'm wrong because I don't know much about it.
the red icon has always worked for me. its working with writing pad mode but i now have no use for it as you can write symbols on the writing pad
I have managed to register and download the patch. am i allowed to attach it here?
Just to let you guys know that the patch does work and the writing pad comes up and is working
That's very good news! I've registered and seems like you get 50 forum currency off the bat so I was able to download the patch too. I'm not sure about attaching it here - Perhaps host it on other server and link it?
I'm still in the process of figuring what apps I can delete to free up my rootfs. Just wondering how much free space did you have prior to installation and how much after?
i had about 51MB on rootfs before installation. its now down to 23MB so when pr1.2 comes out, i am going to have to remove penpower first before upgrading.
I am unable to register there, the verification email just does not arrive (tried twice)... Could you please send the patch to lukkash<you-know-what>email<dot>cz? Thanks!
Although, as I already said, the files in the package are released under LGPL so it should be ok to attach the patch here (since its not illegal to modify and distribute the files).
I am unable to register there, the verification email just does not arrive (tried twice)... Could you please send the patch to lukkash<you-know-what>email<dot>cz? Thanks!
Although, as I already said, the files in the package are released under LGPL so it should be ok to attach the patch here (since its not illegal to modify and distribute the files).
I've emailed it to yourself, however here is the link
https://www.yousendit.com/download/OHo2SkhmcGtGOFJFQlE9PQ
Can you please reupload the patch? The file from that link has expired unfortunately :(
Frappacino
2010-05-31, 05:55
cane someone host that patch again ?
so what does this do? support handwriting input??
I've emailed it to yourself, however here is the link
https://www.yousendit.com/download/OHo2SkhmcGtGOFJFQlE9PQ
The file has expired, can you repost it?
Many thanks.
It's been awhile since my last post. I managed to finally test out the MSCIM Pen Power input after upgrading the phone to PR 1.2 firmware - which was a great choice, because I had plenty more rootfs space without deleting any apps. Even more better, the whole installation took only a couple of megabytes in the rootfs (instead of the 40MB mentioned in the Chinese website). It was only a 2% increase in my usage capacity.
Just to reiterate, this is to allow the Chinese input method found on the HK N900 to be used on phones with non-HK IMEI and I've to say it works brilliantly. The original installation file is already on the maemo extras-devel repository (with the same usual warning!!) and following the instructions posted on this Chinese forum (http://forum.tgbus.com/viewthread.php?tid=1052433). So all credit goes to them. For those who can't read Chinese and want to try, I've translated the instruction on a couple of posts back (http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=642802&postcount=39). For people who wants the patch, I've uploaded to here (http://rapidshare.com/files/400746776/patch.rar.html).
My thoughts:
Easy to use and works flawlessly
Handwriting recognition works perfectly - but only for Chinese characters though. Surprisingly scribbly Chinese is right on the mark, while numbers and English alphabets are harder to recognize and require a more "precise handwriting"
There's a couple of drawbacks, however:
On-screen keyboard is gone.. for good
FN-SYM/CTRL symbols layout is gone too (but can be compensated through handwriting recognition i.e ~ ^)
Maybe it's me or maybe it's the program, but it doesn't work in MicroB... tried a couple of key combos but the input still didn't not appear. Only method was to type the Chinese in notepad and then copy over to MicroB.
When typing in PinYin, you can only type one character at a time
Overall, I think this is a great Chinese input package, and best of all it doesn't gobble my rootfs! Out of all the input methods, I prefer the handwriting recognition because it's precise and fast.
there has been an update to penpower. do not update as the patch does not work anymore :(
The penpower still works fine here after the update. What does not work for you?
it says invalid imei
Just reapply the patch and it'll work. (i.e go through replacing the files and then doing the command line thingy)
Sorry i missed out on what you said earlier. Have you tried restarting the device after applying the patch? Mine gave me the IMEI error after updating, but went away after the patch.
i did do that. what i forgot to do was restart the phone. doh! everything is working fine now.
holysocks
2010-06-22, 22:25
hi does anyone know if there are Chinese apps or a Chinese catalog? Would be great if there's a real mahjong game.
hi does anyone know if there are Chinese apps or a Chinese catalog? Would be great if there's a real mahjong game.
People are having hell lots of fun running old dos games with DOSBox, and I'm sure you wouldn't have problem finding hundreds different versions of DOS mahjong games from...google. XD
kelven1000
2010-07-07, 15:36
hello, anybody can send me the patch file for penpower n900, i can't download through the link above. Thanks.^^
bobbydoedoe
2010-09-18, 02:20
i found another location to download the patch:
http://www.maemoers.com/viewthread.php?tid=3105
and its from another maemo forum
I installed penpower (1.0.0-2010072302) and also the patch on a phone purchased in Australia (and with Australian warranty I believe). Later, I removed penpower (and everything related to mscim) and re-installed because of what I thought were conflicts with programs like google-pinyin. Strangely, I don't have any complaints about IMEI now, even though all the patched files in /usr/lib/scim-1.0/1.4.0/Helper have been replaced with the originals! Just as strangely, I wasn't able to access penpower when I rebooted after the first install, even though I thought I had installed the patch and used the "sed" command correctly.
It is a shame that mscim gets rid of the onscreen keyboard. I have this awful feeling that the predictive text is also missing after installing mscim.
bobbydoedoe
2010-10-21, 15:50
guys, i found a much better tutorial and its simple to install, just need the app manager or faster app manager: watch this video, it incldues how to install, and usage. don't need to know chinese to understand (lol ironic)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouqhmrDWcis&feature=related
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