MeeGo Gains New Partners - iPhone will be dead by the realese of MeeGo

[Nokia7Linux]

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MeeGo just got a bunch of support from outside companies. MeeGo is the unified Linux-based mobile OS from Intel (and their Moblin) and Nokia (and their Maemo). While both of those companies have been publicly vocal about MeeGo, a bunch of partners have just stood up to voice their support for the growing mobile platform.

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Acer, ASUS, BMW, Electronic Arts, Gameloft, Novell and ST-Ericsson are the biggest names to issue statements of support for MeeGo, although a total of 27 new companies announced that they’re supporting the new open source platform. Obviously, there are some influential names in hardware (Acer, ASUS, ST-Ericsson), software (Electronic Arts, Gameloft, Novell) and beyond (BMW). BMW is an interesting case, since you normally don’t think of a car company caring about such things, but their in-car navigation system is built on the former Moblin platform.

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Here’s BMW’s complete statement on MeeGo:



“Open source innovations are necessary to drive the Automotive Industry’s transition to the next generation of infotainment systems, helping bridge the gap between consumer electronics and In-Vehicle-Infotainment solutions,” said Graham Smethurst – GENIVI Alliance president and general manager, Information and Communications Systems, BMW Group. “The first generation of the GENIVI reference platform is based on Moblin and the transition to MeeGo with its support of multiple architectures will make it more attractive to the industry.”




No companies obviously announced anything solid (has in “a MeeGo device will be shipping in Q1 2011″) but many of them hinted at such things. Obviously BMW alluded to a MeeGo-powered navigation system while ASUS teased at a MeeGo-powered netbook. EA Mobile and Gameloft hinted that they’ll develop games for MeeGo.
Although the MeeGo team released a very rough draft of the OS, MeeGo is far from finished. The GUI is not yet in the public builds – however, the MeeGo team says we can expect to see the first MeeGo devices coming out around the end of the year.

Sources:

http://nexus404.com/Blog/2010/04/13/meego-gains-new-partners-software-developers-hardware-manufacturers-publicly-support-intel-nokias-open-source-meego-platform-iphone-os-worried-yet/

http://www.crunchgear.com/2010/04/12/meego-project-garners-new-industry-participants/

[rpgAmazon]

Will be dead....

MUUUUUAAAAAAAAAAHHAHAAAAAHHAAAAHAHHAAAAAHAAAAAA... .

[Chrome]

MeeGo + Apple = NoGo

[rpgAmazon]

MeeGo + Nokia = NoGo

[gerbick]

Nothing has really been shown yet nor working (Moblin does not count) and the announcement for the final version of Apple OS 4 and a newer version of the iPhone is a month away.

Simply put, talk is cheap. Signing up as a partner, in these times, is even cheaper. And I'm actually for MeeGo. Just tired of waiting about a whole lot of talk and nothing shown quite yet other than a terminal window, no UI that's in motion... nor product or update(s) to existing products made clear yet.

Anyway, rant aside... very doubtful.

[cyanith]

Is it 100% sure that if/when MeeGo is released, N900 owners with Maemo5 will be able to upgrade to it? Cause I'm not gonna replace this phone just for MeeGo -___-

[ysss]

MeeGo, when it gains so many partners and reimplemented in so many different ways, will look and feel quite different than Maemo.
I hope it feels at least as good compared to Maemo (both the deliverables and the community).

Edit: wait, did he OP mean that the release of MeeGo is still far away and the partnerships are quite far fetched that by the time it all pans out, iPhone (and the rest of humanity) will be no more?

[kojacker]

MeeGo just got a bunch of support from outside companies.
"Just got.." ? Isnt this just the same old news we got weeks ago?

Edit: Yeah, it seems to be a rehash of the "Public Support for the MeeGo Project" press release info from 12 April.

http://linux-foundation.org/weblogs/press/2010/04/12/public-support-for-the-meego-project/

It would be nice to get more insights and news from the MeeGo project, especially from Nokia (Intel have, to be fair, shown off and tried to engage the public with some of their MeeGo projects). Words are cheap, something concrete would be nice. Potential with nothing but a few words to back it up won't kill anything let alone the iPhone.

[zombiegavins]

*dances on iphones grave*
oh wait the iphone isn't dead yet?
damn i hate that piece of crap

[rcarlos]

pipe dreams.
hmm...judjing by history,....nokia vs apple, in terms of innovations,
apple wld definitely get my vote

[sevla]

Until we see some actual product announcements all this "I support Meego" press releases mean nothing.

[fatalsaint]

I'm excited for MeeGo too... but that's a stretch.

[ysss]

I'm excited with seeing all the big names; but not in the same way I get excited with new announcement in mobile computing/smartphone market by the 'regular' players (google, apple, palm, htc, etc). Intel in smartphones? I don't positively associate that relationship (yet) in my brain...

[slaapliedje]

I hope MeeGo can kill those iPhones. Damn Zombie iPhones are a menace to society!

slaapliedje

[fatalsaint]

I hope MeeGo can kill those iPhones. Damn Zombie iPhones are a menace to society!

slaapliedje

Well.. technically the iPhone is very much alive right now. So if MeeGo killed it.. it would then become zombie iPhones, and would then be the menace to society.....


Just saying....

[ZootHornRollo]

why will iphone be dead by the release of meego?

i don't get it???

[byte_76]

why will iphone be dead by the release of meego?

i don't get it???

Lol, it won't! MeeGo has a long way to go before it can even challenge iPhone OS, not to mention kill it!

[cesman]

The iphone isn't for me but the say meego will kill it is very short sighted. If meego gains a lot of support what we will see in a few years is what as been reported with andriod. That is, meego hardware sales will suppass the iphone's.

[Ronaldo]

the title to this thread is so dumb, every device that is launched is a "iphone killer" come on its going to be hard to beat esepcially in the smartphone market. Andriod OS is doing well but still has a long way so do nokia even with meego.

I would buy a meego device just for openess and multitasking like n900 if it actually gets commerical apps aswel

[craftyguy]

Lol, it won't! MeeGo has a long way to go before it can even challenge iPhone OS, not to mention kill it!

How about the fact that not one of the 'new partners' was using OSx to begin with! Unfortunately Apply has carved out a loyal customer base all by itself, and no shifting of competitors could sway the opinions of those customers.

[Texrat]

Many of those listed have been partners for some time. As for the hyperbole-- feh.

[slaapliedje]

Well.. technically the iPhone is very much alive right now. So if MeeGo killed it.. it would then become zombie iPhones, and would then be the menace to society.....


Just saying....

Never met an iPhone with a pulse...

Just saying, if they were alive, then we really would be in trouble.

slaapliedje

[pantera1989]

If Meego is seriously going to trump apple I suggest something similar as a logo for it:

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/7395/aw5091.gif (http://img171.imageshack.us/i/aw5091.gif/)

[kryptoniankid17]

pipe dreams.
hmm...judjing by history,....nokia vs apple, in terms of innovations,
apple wld definitely get my vote

i wouldnt say innovation. but imolimentation old say yes. they take whats been out for years and put it in a pretty package.

[Duff]

iPhone will die out only when a newer OS that shares the same smoothness, plenty of useful apps and syncs primarily with windows.

[leetut]

pipe dreams.
hmm...judjing by history,....nokia vs apple, in terms of innovations,
apple wld definitely get my vote

innovation??
bro where you been for the past 10 years!
i was multi tasking on my n95-1 before the iphone had even been invented!:eek:

[Jeeper]

Lol, it won't! MeeGo has a long way to go before it can even challenge iPhone OS, not to mention kill it!

Agree to that, N900 and maemo and for now Meego are al 'what if' but for now more down to nothing. Sorry to say but bought the N900 with high expectations and am familiar with programming. But it won't come and it won't come ever. Apple is way to far in developement and is not into getting beated because they simply has something that works, gives what we want and expect from a device. And really they like what they make you can feel and see that in everything. Who wants mulitasking if there is nothing to multitask with ! Nokia gonna beat Iphone ? Hell no, Nokia is going under because of Iphone or Ipad

[Jeeper]

iPhone will die out only when a newer OS that shares the same smoothness, plenty of useful apps and syncs primarily with windows.

how many years will you wait for that ? I won't Iphone already has it. Try also the Ipad, Wow

[fatalsaint]

Never met an iPhone with a pulse...

Just saying, if they were alive, then we really would be in trouble.

slaapliedje

You have to take my post in the same context as you originally posted.

You said Zombie iPhones... meaning either 1) The iphone's themselves were zombies, which means they had to have lived at some point, and then died, and then were reanimated. It seems you're against this analogy, so we move to 2) The people owning iPhones are zombies. Thus, when I refer to the iPhone's still being alive, then in the same context I'm referring to the people. Thus, if MeeGo kills them, then Apple resurrects them, we would now actually have Zombies.

Don't go applying logic, or trying to force the physical restrictions of reality, onto someone being a smart *** to your own smart *** comments.

[quipper8]

the title to this thread is so dumb, every device that is launched is a "iphone killer" come on its going to be hard to beat esepcially in the smartphone market. Andriod OS is doing well but still has a long way

uhhh, android has already beat iphone OS, meego is next at bat

given that android beat iphone os by being open and deployed across various manufacturers and carriers, i would say meego is on a good track. i will take acer asus intel and nokia vs htc and motorola and google or apple plus apple anyday

[malabar]

I'm thinking the windows mobile 7 series or whatever they are calling it will out-pace meego by december. It's also going to carve out a market share from Apple.

There, i said it.:D

[vabgeo]

You mean Meego will be so late in coming that iphone will be dead? :D

[kojacker]

I do think Nokia needs to come out with something innovative/game changing and service oriented if they want to compete with their MeeGo offerings against the major smartphone platforms. Intel always have Android there, they can cut their losses with MeeGo. The problem with innovative game changing ideas is they don't come along that often :)

You'd think with Nokia's colossal research spending there must be something hiding filed away somewhere that could be wheeled out. They didnt spend those $billions on Ovi Store!

I must admit, I would love a day just sifting through the archives of the research labs at Nokia. 6 or 7 years ago i did an assignment on mobile payments which included info from Nokia research. If Nokia and Intel got together with Visa and MasterCard to enable mobile payments at cash points using their hardware and rolled it out right that might be a real winner. Well. I dunno maybe it wouldnt, thats why im not working for Nokia research lol :)

Nokia and Intel have always been hardware focused companies. Remember the first time you seen the n95 specs, I wanted that thing badly I was almost drooling. I was a student at the time and sold my 6600 and collected together enough pennies to get a second hand one off ebay. Throwing the kitchen sink into the hardware isn't enough anymore to sell devices to the masses. The next big breakthrough in mobile hardware is battery tech, and that isn't very sexy. Sticking 3D screens on a handset or a heartbeat monitor or an extra speaker you stick up your *** and it massages your prostrate to the beat of your mp3 tracks might be more interesting. But it's services that sell mobiles in the modern marketplace.

Hardware is converging and becoming homogeneous. HTC have realised this and make handsets as good as Nokia's, but they have invested heavily in the Sense UI to differentiate their products. Android was built on services and apps. Iphone, I don't need to go there. We have yet to see what MeeGo has in store in terms of UI or apps, we have not so much as a mockup of the Nokia UX and only scraps of information regarding the app store ecosystem of MeeGo. It's embryonic, and far too early to know what kind of success or failure it may be. If i was forced to make a punt at it though, from the track record of Moblin and Maemo, i don't see MeeGo making many waves. I can see it being an interesting niche OS which will attract some, but not the mainstream.

[Laughing Man]

I'm thinking the windows mobile 7 series or whatever they are calling it will out-pace meego by december. It's also going to carve out a market share from Apple.

There, i said it.:D

I doubt it. Microsoft is a wee too stringent with it (they do have their reasons, uniformity of hardware, XBOX LIVE Arcade games). But any platform such as Android or Meego that can overwhelm the marketplace in high and low end devices will result in the greatest userbase, subsquently attracting developers. Microsoft's Windows Mobile 7 is more likely to have a niche marketshare like BlackBerries (and Apple in the future as Android continues to pick up steam and Meego begins to).

Edit: While I don't have faith in Nokia, the fact that Meego is not completly reliant on them is the only hope that Meego will be a competitor to Android.

[YoDude]

Kill it how?

(I liked that menacing zombie iPhone image fatalsaint painted in my brain awhile ago (http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=661358&postcount=15) :p )

By the remaining conventional means of measuring a winner or a loser, rate of new sales growth; the iPhone will soon be "dead" as everybody who wants one will eventually have one.

When this occurs anything new may out sell the iPhone on a month to month basis simply out of current user boredom and provider contract churn.

Although Apple did build in some obsolecense with its non-removable battery, this will also open a window for an existing user to try something new when the battery needs to be replaced.

If you mean "dead" as in a new OS will be so special that the majority of current iPhone users will dump a perfectly good phone for a new one then I don't think that will happen either unless the new phone can also do your laundry or suttin'.

The only thing that will cause the iPhone to loose it's initial attractiveness is time and Apple it's own dang self.

Over time, new technologies and new customer expectations will develop and whatever OS is used, it will have to adapt. I don't think we will see any compelling new features developed for the iPhone unless they are developed by Apple exclusively so in that sense the iPhone may already be "dead".

Job's recent "Letter" may have been correct in Adobe's case but it also indicated to some how Apple in the future could treat any new technology that is not developed in house.

Whatever the future brings I don't think the number of partners an OS has will have anything to do with its survival and in this case some may just be hedging their bets.

As gerbick said (http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=660852&postcount=5): "talk is cheap"

WiMAX had a lot of partners too. :)

[Kangal]

I think MeeGo has very little chance (in smartphones) now that Android has spread virally. This was the case with the iPhone but they were strategic and turned the device into a fashion-accessory with a phone. Now that hardware technology has increased, the software is lagging in the iPhone. So along comes Android and saves the day.
For MeeGo to be as competitive it must really make itself very user friendly (Android/iPhone), show a lot of eye candy (squish them bosoms), represent high performance (it is light enough for underpowered devices yet powerful enough for netbooks), provide wide-cross compatibility (from cheap KIRF to netbooks) and allow alot of functionality (Linux desktop apps) as well as new ones (Multitouch, WiMax, Flash) to the smartphone market. MeeGo has the potential to be the "Windows XP or Windows7" for the rest of the electronics market.

I think if this is done exceptionally exquisitely and perfectly we could definitely be using only two OS's for daily uses:
The light and functional MeeGo for portables (ARM based Smartphone/tablet/netbook)
The heavy, powerful and full featured Windows7 for mainstream (x86 based laptops, desktop, home entertainment)

[Texrat]

I think MeeGo has very little chance (in smartphones) now that Android has spread virally.

Nokia encroached on Motorola. Android encroached on iPhone. ______________ [insert potential competitor here] can encroach on Android.

And around and around we go.

[evil_m0nkey]

I will see it to believe it


till then, I am holding any judgements and excitement.

[ysss]

I foresee MeeGo to follow the Desktop Linux revolution.

Every year, for the next 10 (and more) years, we will have some prophet yelling at us "This will be the year of the MeeGo"...

[rcarlos]

innovation??
bro where you been for the past 10 years!
i was multi tasking on my n95-1 before the iphone had even been invented!:eek:

I believe the N95 and iphone were released the same year [2007]. Aren't they ? Does an early entry into a industry/market be called as innovation ?

[ysss]

I believe the N95 and iphone were released the same year [2007]. Aren't they ? Does an early entry into a industry/market be called as innovation ?

http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/features/item/Look_everyone_Multitasking_does_work_after_all_And _has_been_doing_so_for_a_decade_and_a_half.php

[ossipena]

I believe the N95 and iphone were released the same year [2007]. Aren't they ? Does an early entry into a industry/market be called as innovation ?

yes, iPhone will have its very first multitask probably in 2010...

and yes, the first one to do it = innovation
apple = copypasting the innovations that are already known and familiar to people

[rcarlos]

yes, iPhone will have its very first multitask probably in 2010...

and yes, the first one to do it = innovation
apple = copypasting the innovations that are already known and familiar to people

Oh, I was in the belief that true innovation isn't only when you do it first but you do it right and create a mass market for the same.

I stand corrected

[ossipena]

Oh, I was in the belief that true innovation isn't only when you do it first but you do it right and create a mass market for the same.

I stand corrected

so the second/third guy copying something is the innovative one?

the first one will never succeed because nobody is familiar with the innovation.

it could be innovative to sense when one should copy an innovation in order to benefit from it the most.

but doing something that others have done for years is innovation? I strongly doubt.

e: from wikipedia:
Innovation is a change in the thought process for doing something or "new stuff that is made useful". It may refer to an incremental emergent or radical and revolutionary changes in thinking, products, processes, or organizations.

[ysss]

Apple's 'innovation' is usually in simplifying and packaging things to be easily consumable for the mass and having the marketing muscle to get it to many people's hand.

(And profiting ridiculously while doing all that)

[Jeeper]

Nokia will never come there. They play just the same game as IKEA.
Let people think they are original with inferior material what is a copy cat of what is perfect, but will stay just cheap.....

[HellFlyer]

Nokia will never come there. They play just the same game as IKEA.
Let people think they are original with inferior material what is a copy cat of what is perfect, but will stay just cheap.....

Hmm you know what? I'm glad that Nokia never come there :)

Yeah sure Nokia did stupid things starting from N96 to all this Maemo/MeeGo stuff but unlike Apple they don't view customers as stupid n00bs who cant even operate a microwave! Seriously if you take a look of what is called "mass market" its basically housewives and people who dont care how stuff works ( it just works is good enough)

That's how our world works , you either control (N900) or someone controls you (iPhone) :) Nokia changed its view when they bought Symbian and removed that stupid certificate signature system. If they did it earlier we would had 200000 apps for symbian in one place without the need to hack them

[mrojas]

Can we stop validating the platform we prefer by bashing the competition?

[nicola.mfb]

I'm becoming crazy :)
In other threads I see a lot of people blaming users of buyng the wrong device, that nokia smartphone flagship is the N8 and that the n900/maemo is only a "tablet" with basic phone capability.
Was that changed with meego? May someone post the source of meego supporting smartphones too?

[HellFlyer]

Can we stop validating the platform we prefer by bashing the competition?

Nope I cant :) In fact I'm an Applehater :cool:

[Laughing Man]

I foresee MeeGo to follow the Desktop Linux revolution.

Every year, for the next 10 (and more) years, we will have some prophet yelling at us "This will be the year of the MeeGo"...

Pretty much (unless executed perfectly). There's already the Windows of the smartphone market. Android.

[crown77]

you apple haters please remember that the Multitasking is the only and only one thing the N900 can do better than a Iphone until now. How can you talk about Meego as the Iphone Killer if you just have a command promt now? this is just too stupid to talk about. Apple brings a complete new OS with many new features in about 2 months. We dont have a damn bugfixing update on the N900 until now (called PR1.2.) i guess you are all on nokia drugs all day else i cant understand this.

the Forum gets more silent since a few days there are no more news no new innovations just threads about my touch screen no more works , i cant restart my n900 anymore.. threads like this. So please open your eyes and wake up..

crown 77

[bbin]

you apple haters please remember that the Multitasking is the only and only one thing the N900 can do better than a Iphone until now. How can you talk about Meego as the Iphone Killer if you just have a command promt now? this is just too stupid to talk about. Apple brings a complete new OS with many new features in about 2 months. We dont have a damn bugfixing update on the N900 until now (called PR1.2.) i guess you are all on nokia drugs all day else i cant understand this.

the Forum gets more silent since a few days there are no more news no new innovations just threads about my touch screen no more works , i cant restart my n900 anymore.. threads like this. So please open your eyes and wake up..

crown 77

:p
What a troll from Thüringen.

[crown77]

Sure if there is no more argument against then we yell troll very intelligent .. this shows the mentality of the community so please mr bbin can you try to say an educated word against my arguments ..if you can?

[Lullen]

Meego might not be a iPhone killer but saying that the only thing that the n900 does better is multitask is just wrong and the iphone multitask is not like the n900 so it wont be the same in that either :)

[bbin]

Sure if there is no more argument against then we yell troll very intelligent .. this shows the mentality of the community so please mr bbin can you try to say an educated word against my arguments ..if you can?

Well if you say something like "multitasking is all n900 has against ifone" what more can I say... These same old debates are really getting tiring. N900 isn't for people who like iphone-kind/apple-way of things it's just simple as that. Meego may not be instant iphone killer but your comment really was far from a good argument with good facts.

[crown77]

Well we are here to discuss so Lullen what do you think the N900 can do better than a iphone i mean okay maybe flash or the radio transmitter ..

@bbin but the only thing i allways read when it comes to the iphone vs n900 discussion is that the ppl say iphone doesnt have real Multitasking like N900 and thats it. Why do you think that Meego will become such a big competitor to the apple os or android? For me its just the beginning we have a command line version now, there arent any actually ui design screens and so one. Sure its just too early maybe to judge about Meego but to say the Iphone will be dead about Meego gains new Partners sorry but this isnt a good argument too..

btw i dont own any apple product exept a ipod touch for music listening so iam not a fan boy of any Device or Operating System.

[ysss]

I feel like having a front row seat to an upcoming trainwreck...

[deadmalc]

allow me to do Remote UNIX support ?

ssh openvpn etc. etc. ldap? etc.

hardware keyboard?

[jamie721]

Agree to that, N900 and maemo and for now Meego are al 'what if' but for now more down to nothing. Sorry to say but bought the N900 with high expectations and am familiar with programming. But it won't come and it won't come ever. Apple is way to far in developement and is not into getting beated because they simply has something that works, gives what we want and expect from a device. And really they like what they make you can feel and see that in everything. Who wants mulitasking if there is nothing to multitask with ! Nokia gonna beat Iphone ? Hell no, Nokia is going under because of Iphone or Ipad

what about using a six axis controla while playing sagamega drive games using the tvout into a tv.

To me this is multitasking at its greatest. change mega drive for your favourite emulator and u have a mobile sized megaamigasnespsx machine in your pocket. take that out at a party an no ones mobile can beat trust me :D.

[malabar]

You do that, I'll whip out the mount gay rum, coke and a bag of ice.

Now if that thing could emulate a lime tree, I,m all for it.

[bbin]

Sure its just too early maybe to judge about Meego but to say the Iphone will be dead about Meego gains new Partners sorry but this isnt a good argument too..
Agree.

Why do you think that Meego will become such a big competitor to the apple os or android?

You just have to look at the names of the companies who are with MeeGo. I think it tells quite much. Just alone Intel and Nokia partnership can bring some fresh hardware to the game. I have a feeling that the number of companies involved will grow after first devices are announced. Pretty sure LG is one of those and that is just one. They did cancel GW990 but im sure there will be a new one coming up. Their android phones aren't going sell enough so LG has to make something new to diffrentiate from Samsung and HTC.

[Venemo]

why will iphone be dead by the release of meego?

i don't get it???

Because after the world will have MeeGo, noone will want such an obsolete thing as an iPhone.

[ysss]

Because after the world will have MeeGo, noone will want such an obsolete thing as an iPhone.

If you are so sure about it, do you want to bet some amount of money on it?

[Venemo]

If you are so sure about it, do you want to bet some amount of money on it?

There is a proverb in where I live.
"A gentleman doesn't bet on the certain." - rudimentarily translated to English.

[rcarlos]

Some serious thoughts....Why is Apple Iphone considered the thing to be beaten down? Why is the Iphone the benchmark to weigh against? Why is every phone made or to be made supposed to be an Iphone killer?

Is this a jinx or is the hardware really worth it ?....I am not sure but i guess apple/Jobs can really feel proud, not merely by the success of the hardware but for this reference point they have created

[ysss]

There is a proverb in where I live.
"A gentleman doesn't bet on the certain." - rudimentarily translated to English.

Hahahahaha... nice escape.

[wmarone]

you apple haters please remember that the Multitasking is the only and only one thing the N900 can do better than a Iphone until now.
Well, it certainly works better at not treating its owner like the enemy. I mean, unless you -like- having to fight Apple for control over your device (assuming that means anything to you.)

How can you talk about Meego as the Iphone Killer if you just have a command promt now?
I think he's talking, you know, down the line. I don't think he's right, but pointing at a pre-release version of the OS is pointless.

We dont have a damn bugfixing update on the N900 until now (called PR1.2.)
To date there have been two updates. Perhaps you joined us after they were out?


Some serious thoughts....Why is Apple Iphone considered the thing to be beaten down? Why is the Iphone the benchmark to weigh against? Why is every phone made or to be made supposed to be an Iphone killer?
Apple waltzed into the cellular space and basically showed the entire industry that they had no clue what they were doing in terms of user experience, and proved all of them wrong. In ~3 years it pulled a lot of people who were content with dumbphones to upgrade to a smartphone, people who would have otherwise ignored windows mobile, symbian, or blackberry devices.

How to compete with that top-to-bottom user experience is something pretty much every other vendor is trying to figure out, minus having iTunes to work with.

[aldevil]

The problem is Nokia.. If Nokia is out of the way then everything will run smoothly.. they don't care about Maemo 5!! Nor will they care about MeeGo!

[HellFlyer]

The problem is Nokia.. If Nokia is out of the way then everything will run smoothly.. they don't care about Maemo 5!! Nor will they care about MeeGo!

What a stupid thing to say :)

[aldevil]

What a stupid thing to say :)

loool.. just expressing my hatred for nokia.

[Lullen]

Well we are here to discuss so Lullen what do you think the N900 can do better than a iphone i mean okay maybe flash or the radio transmitter ..
For example you can change background and theme, overclock it(maybe not a good thing if this is needed), the im integration(I really LOVE the msn/skype/facebook chat). The screen is better in one way but I can go 50/50 here as iphone screen is more responsive. The keyboard is a big plus as it wont block half screen while typing.

And just such a thing that n900 is much better out of the box means a lot. But why do you think iphone is better? Iphone might have much more apps but for me the important thing is not how many apps it have. It's about the regular dayly use such as internet, multitasking, music and IM. And of those its only music that is better at the iphone :)

But it is true that a lot of people hate the phone because it is a apple on it, if nokia would have done it, it would be loved... Iphone have many good sides but I am not that iphone person :)

[rmerren]

For example you can change background and theme, overclock it(maybe not a good thing if this is needed), the im integration(I really LOVE the msn/skype/facebook chat). The screen is better in one way but I can go 50/50 here as iphone screen is more responsive. The keyboard is a big plus as it wont block half screen while typing.

And just such a thing that n900 is much better out of the box means a lot. But why do you think iphone is better? Iphone might have much more apps but for me the important thing is not how many apps it have. It's about the regular dayly use such as internet, multitasking, music and IM. And of those its only music that is better at the iphone :)

But it is true that a lot of people hate the phone because it is a apple on it, if nokia would have done it, it would be loved... Iphone have many good sides but I am not that iphone person :)

I think the IM, messaging, and phone integration (despite a few shortcomings on email and phone features) is amazing on the N900, and that this advantage is poorly understood. It is far better than anything the iPhone or any other phone has to offer. For some reason, even with the current drive to build facebook apps into every phone, this integration is not touted as a HUGE advantage for this phone.

I am not just talking about the ability to share photos and videos easily (though that is an area where the N900 excels), but also the easy integration of ALL forms of communication with ANY app through the open apis of telepathy.

As an example--I just took the morning off to go on a school field trip with my son's kindergarten class. I turned on the IM clients on my phone to stay in touch. I got a few emails while riding on the bus (ignored some more when we were at the Nature Center, of course), could glance at the home screen to see if someone was online, took a few pictures and emailed them to the teacher, posted another to facebook, fielded a call or two, showed my son's friends the goofy pictures of him we took the other day, etc.

I know you can do alot of this with different apps on the iPhone (or other phones), but I did all of this with the N900's built-in apps and interfaces. I didn't have to quit the IM app to start a different app for sharing or emailing pictures. The text message I got from my wife was on the same interface as any IM I received or sent. Uploading a photo on facebook and sending one on email were through the same sharing interface launched from the photo itself. Just the mere fact that any app or process I run can access data from any other app (for example, any app on the phone can directly access the photo files or something downloaded to my home directory or received from an email) makes this a more flexible platform that what you more commonly see out there on phones.

This integration is actually the thing that attracted me to the phone. And it was everything that was advertised. And the potential for it to expand as the new QMobility classes in Qt come online with PR1.2 and Meego is amazing. I will place no bets on the iPhone going away (lots of people want a dumbed-down system with one button and no ability to screw it up), but the N900 is ALREADY the phone you want if your communication needs are more complicated that occasionally checking your email and firing off a text or two.

[Texrat]

you apple haters please remember that the Multitasking is the only and only one thing the N900 can do better than a Iphone until now.

I think the device religious wars are a foolish waste of time, and I have no problem crediting ANY company with what they do well-- but sorry, that's a naive statement. The N900 and iPhone have numerous areas where one is better than the other. And technical aspects aside, what makes a device better is highly personal, anyway.

[coderedcomputing]

Apple brings a complete new OS with many new features in about 2 months.

Right. That is the reason MeeGo won't kill the iPhone, people will flock to the apple stores to get #4, and if they release some 4GSXYZ+ model after it before #5... get the point? People who love their iPhones will keep buying them. It's a wonderful business model.

[xomm]

pipe dreams.
hmm...judjing by history,....nokia vs apple, in terms of innovations,
apple wld definitely get my vote

Innovations, but not inventions.

(In a loose way.)

[nilchak]

One bitten, twice shy.

with Nokia I have been twice bitten - N810 (Diablo) and N900 (Fremantle) - and both a one device strategy and upgrade path with a dead end.

So with Meego I will go slow. Yes I know its open source - but that means nothing.

Zaurus (Qtopia) was partly open, Open Zaurus was fully open, openMoko was open - that still left me with dead end strategies.

I think I have put my faith too much into shifting experiments (which Meego certainly qualifies as as of now - its not a proven strategy). So I dont see how some people can foretell Meego as the end all be !l soluttion (and iPhone killer). Is it just because its open and not tied to any vendor ?
Sorry but I have seen open fail too. So unless Meego (and Nokia) can show some distinct advantage (and not just some new tricked up GUI), I dont see how a lineup of backing companies proves the first Meego device and strategy a success.
I have seen a lineup of linux based strategies fronting companies fail in getting there first hand.

PS : I hope and have belief that Meego can possibly succeed as it has a wider adoption - multi device strategy, BUT I wont naively accept at this point that its a winner. Such conjecture may be entertaining for some novice first time linux users or fanboys but not for a pragmatic outlook for a hardened linux based mobie user like myself.

[Rebski]

There are two words here that fill me with scepticism and cynicism, one is Nokia and the other is Intel.

Is this MeeGo thing actually going to go anywhere or it is yet more of the same i.e. false hopes, unfulfilled promises and ultimately discarded projects, that we have come to expect.

Besides, isn’t Google working on Chrome OS for these devices? Now, by contrast, why does that prospect actually cheer me up?

[Kangal]

There are two words here that fill me with scepticism and cynicism, one is Nokia and the other is Intel.

Is this MeeGo thing actually going to go anywhere or it is yet more of the same i.e. false hopes, unfulfilled promises and ultimately discarded projects, that we have come to expect.

Besides, isn’t Google working on Chrome OS for these devices? Now, by contrast, why does that prospect actually cheer me up?

A very smart post. +1

Now for some answers:
Inteldevelops x86 CPU. How does MeeGo cater for it?
Well it will be an OS where Intel has some power over (example Samsung and Bada). And it would cater to low powered Intels such as Atoms and Z-series where it feels "too slow" or half baked when running Windows (XP or 7).
The problem is x86 has a few technical features that make it impossible to compete against ARM on the low-end scale, and thus in the phone/handheld/tablet/netbook field. x86 is either too slow or is too thirsty (get the elephant on a diet analogy?).

Nokia makes phones. Right now they have no smartphones on the market. They do have the most function-packed dumbphones. Symbian has shown its age (and limits) and a smart OS would be money well invested for Nokia if it is going to stay in the market. Yes i'll say it, the end of dumbphones have begun (and MS will burn for the Kin!).
The problem is Nokia is inexperienced in the smartphone business, that is the true reason the N900 was released: an experiment! So in the future N900 owners will feel like they were raped since the goods will be planted on its successor. On top of that, they are either too greedy, too optimistic or too slow. They are the biggest phone provider of the world, and the biggest everywhere when it comes to dumbphones. It's main competitiors have moved on eg Motorola Milestone, SE Xperia, Samsung Wave, LG something. They have moved on and provided smartphone alternatives.

Google now has Android. It was in the same state as MeeGo is: has the potential to be great but is more likely to be false hope.
However, Google is a GIANT and they made a truly great OS for smartphones of today. They were backed by the largest smartphone provider HTC and they succeeded to make it the OS for smartphones by making updates (1.6, 2.1, 2.2) that allowed it to stay ahead of the competition (eg WinMo6 was ugly, iOSX was too exclusive, RIM was corporate only oriented, WebOS had bad luck). It fragmented but it wasn't so bad: ie almost all Apps that work on the Nexus One work flawlessly on the Moto Droid despite many differences.

Google Chrome = failure.
The only thing Chrome would succeed in is the JooJoo (gives me goosebumps).
Why?
It is very light, but is almost "Cloud" exclusive = many disadvantages due to carrier dependencies.
Q:What would it run on?
A: "Smartbooks" and Touchscreen Smartbooks without keyboards (tablets).
So as of recently, Chrome development has changed or siezed or something like that I've heard. They say the next "Chrome" will be a blend of Android and Chromium (browser) ... which brings better promises.

Now for my personal input:

After following MeeGo's development I am disappointed. It has fragmented before release. There are 2 distinct MeeGo versions:
1) Intel MeeGo: Moblin 2.2 with some Maemo
2) Nokia MeeGo: Maemo 5 with some MeeGo
And many alternatives that is a hybrid of the two for other devices like in-car etc etc.

I was expecting a dumbbed down Moblin** (laptops) but smartified Maemo** (handhelds) where the two would be the same to the core. The only difference is that MeeGo comes with an option where you can choose the User Interface. All versions have their own UI according to their needs but they come with a setting where you can revert to the original User Interface (the above ** Astrix). So you can have unique skins/UI on top of the core which can be composed by the OEMs but users that cannot get over the learning curve can select to revert and now have a familiar interactive method. For instance, the difference between a netbook and a smartphone would need (want) different UI due to physical differences (multitasking ability, screen size, touchscreen vs mouse).

I loved the concept of Moblin + Maemo = MeeGo = a unified OS for many lightweight products (and a bridge between fast ARM and slow x86). After seeing all the recent support from other companies it made me think that such a difficult defeat (unified OS) would be more possible.
After observing the MeeGo demo on MSI netbook (Endgadget) I see nothing "WOW!" to make me retract these comments. It basically is still Moblin, great for netbooks but not smartphones.

To be honest, here are my new thoughts on MeeGo:

In its current state, I want it to die!
But what I really want is for it to change (evolve) to what I've described.
Possibility?
Very possible to accomplish this with Linux kernel and Qt, they have advanced far enough.

Other thoughts?
With MS and Android advanced very far in the last 2 years.
Both OS's dominate the opposing fields; Windows 7 with high-performance devices and Android with low-performance devices.
Q: So where does MeeGo fit into the picture?
A: In the niche.

But what else occupies (thrives) in the niche?
Ubuntu, and its done so successfully for quite some time.
So in a sense, MeeGo is competing with Ubuntu. Enough competition already!!
To top it off, Ubuntu is much more mature, has many advantages and supports a range of architectures/devices (from your PS3 to your Touch Pro2).

So I think Meego should join with Ubuntu.
If they did Ubuntu could finally rise up from the niche and into consumer's hands.
And I think if Ubuntu actually joined the MeeGo bandwagon (Meetu?) they could have a really impressive OS.
Since Ubuntu has a great existing technology, many hard-working developers, a large user base and alot of experience in the OS trade.
MeeGo has the economical power to do the research, get company's to sign on and a few big names (Intel, Nokia etc) to attract other big companies (eg Dell, Lenovo, Motorola, SE, LG).

So something like this would really attract many developers (especially from the Ubuntu user base). And this could be the best quality and the largest consumer Linux OS.

And today consumers now understand that software plays a vital role in the experience of the device, hence why OEMs now apply their own skins like MotoBlur. Consumers also know that the experience is better with more available programs (ie App Store) and that's only possible with more developers and developer's with reputations (ie EA Games).

When the supply is high, and you've got a brilliant invention, you can dominate the field like a tsunami ... ... you know the rest!




Here is what I mean by Windows 7 and Android being the dominant OSs:
For All-in-one-desktop-PC's = Windows 7 is great
For gaming-desktops= Windows 7 is great
For home entertainment devices= Windows 7 is great
For gaming-laptops= Windows 7 is great
For cheap laptops= Windows 7 is great
For CULV-laptops= Windows 7 is great
For high-performance-netbooks~= Windows 7 is okayish
~= 1.7GHz+ Pineview and/or dual core Atom

For cheap-slow smartphones= Android is great
For fast smartphones= Android is great
For handhelds/PMP= Android is great
For tablets= Android is great
For smartbooks= Android is great
For low-powered-netbooks^= Android is okayish
^= Intel Z-series or Atoms with <1.3GHz

The niche exists where For is bolded, and as you can see these spaces can be occupied by Windows or Android so the window of time when (MeeGo can establish itself) these OS will dominate these areas is nearing.

[Rebski]

@Kangal: Great post, one of the best. I have read it several times over – still am.

that is the true reason the N900 was released: an experiment!
That was also the true reason for the release of the N770, N800 and N810.
So far as I am concerned a company should either believe in what it is doing and commit to it or not bother in the first place. In other words keep its experiments internal until it has worked out what it wants to do.

How many customers did Apple inflict its Smartphone experiments on and rook out of sizeable amounts of cash for the privilege of being guinea pigs? Exactly. Even early adopter 2G owners will still be reasonable happy with the latest v3 software.


So in the future N900 owners will feel like they were raped
As an N800 owner I consider myself duly violated. I checked out the N900 when it appeared in the Nokia store and could see the same writing on the wall. How often does Nokia think it can keep getting away with this. But then we shouldn’t underestimate the self immolation needs of the fanboys, Nokia, like many abusers probably believes that ‘they like it really’ and the evidence from much of this forum over the past three years is that Yes, they probably do.

The trouble for Nokia is that there aren’t really enough of them, however disproportionally vocal they might be, to sustain a viable business model on. Hence sales of only 100,000 - or whatever the figure actually is, either way not enough.

To top it off, Ubuntu is much more mature, has many advantages and supports a range of architectures/devices (from your PS3 to your Touch Pro2).
Now that is interesting I have never seen it mentioned in that light before. I have a Smart Q7 which runs Ubuntu and all it needs is a little help from somewhere to make it perfectly acceptable. Within the expectation one would have from a $189 7” device, that is, and which fits the niche of cheap 800Mhz handhelds.
And of which there are going to be many, here is info on the Ramos 4.8” for $146, for example
http://www.pocketables.net/2010/05/ramos-w7-android-mid-finally-released-shipping-for-about-150.html

Have you seen this article on Tegra and Android tablets?
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2010/05/android-tablet-prototypes-not-yet-ready-for-prime-time.ars
His comment on Anroid is “So many of the Android UI elements just don't look so great when they're stretched all the way across a wide tablet screen. This is because most of the UI elements that work on smartphone screens don't make the jump to the tablet very elegantly.”

His conclusion “In the long run, Chrome OS is a much more likely candidate for an official Google-branded tablet than is Android. Web-based interfaces are made with larger screen sizes in mind. More importantly, though, Chrome OS isn't a smartphone OS—it's designed for thin-client desktops, and it doesn't have to make tradeoffs to fit into smartphone hardware.”

The only thing Chrome would succeed in is the JooJoo (gives me goosebumps).
I had almost forgotten about JooJoo, if the iPad at 10” is too much for single hand hold then why be restricted when a 12” wide screen is available.

Engadget is raving over MeeGo v1.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/27/meego-1-0-demoed-on-msi-netbook-looks-shockingly-stupendous-vi/
Either they are touting for advertising revenue or I am getting jaded.

[Kangal]

@Rebski thanks!
+1 for your input.
Your one of the only people that appreciates my input.


So far as I am concerned a company should either believe in what it is doing and commit to it or not bother in the first place. In other words keep its experiments internal until it has worked out what it wants to do.


Yes I think that's true. Or if they were to sell something like a flagship model as experimental, at least they should come out and officially say we will later apply what we learnt unto this experiment with official firmware. I mean MeeGo was announced roughly the same time N900 was released (needs reference/may not be true, however do note N900 has only just become available in Australia).

I mean it doesn't even help the majority when fanboys come out and say "You should've done your research!!!!!".
True, it is your money so it is your responsibility to see if the device fits your wants/needs. But how much better is it if the Company also took some responsibility, stood behind its product and made the effort to help those supporters (customers). This would not only instill confidence to customers, raise its reputation but also would give them experience in upgrading firmware. Otherwise, the support for the device (is jeopardized and) might be too little to make "the experiment" effective.


I have a Smart Q7 which runs Ubuntu and all it needs is a little help from somewhere to make it perfectly acceptable. Within the expectation one would have from a $189 7” device, that is, and which fits the niche of cheap 800Mhz handhelds.


That is exactly true. Last gen's technology (eg HTC Dream) has now become affordable enough for knock-offs and they can meet our needs. Now coupled with good open OS (eg Android) it is a cheaper alternative worth considering. So the importance of an open OS is now paramount, Google now has much more sources for advertising ($$) and has some control over the electronics market ($$).


Have you seen this article on Tegra and Android tablets?
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2010/05/android-tablet-prototypes-not-yet-ready-for-prime-time.ars
His comment on Anroid is “So many of the Android UI elements just don't look so great when they're stretched all the way across a wide tablet screen. This is because most of the UI elements that work on smartphone screens don't make the jump to the tablet very elegantly.”

His conclusion “In the long run, Chrome OS is a much more likely candidate for an official Google-branded tablet than is Android. Web-based interfaces are made with larger screen sizes in mind. More importantly, though, Chrome OS isn't a smartphone OS—it's designed for thin-client desktops, and it doesn't have to make tradeoffs to fit into smartphone hardware.”

Thanks for that link :D
Agreed, but bare-in-mind these are "show off" models. So they are concepts made to life, but not polished for consumers. By the explanations it sounds like Android has just only been booted, it hasn't been optimized or the UI tweeked.

I mean the iPad's OS does well for the iPad (but could've added more functionality) although the screen's much larger than the iPod Touch. And you know how Apple's obsessed with polish/perfecting the experience (not functionality)

So ^ that was just a long way of saying that a smartphone OS can be made elegant for tablets/larger screens by tweeking the interface somewhat. And remmember the first Android was a Google phone (HTC Dream/G1), then the first advanced Android phone "successor" was also from Google (Nexus One). So it is highly likely that Google is working on a tweeked Android (probably 2.3 Gingerbread) to make it elegant for tablets right now. And it is almost certain that the first tablet to come with this OS will be from Google. The knock-offs will have half-baked regular Androids and will only apply this Android version once the Google Tablet is released.
However, I feel like Google should have announced this before the iPad was released and have aimed to release the G-tablet something like June '10, effectively stealing Apple's customers.


Engadget is raving over MeeGo v1.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/27/meego-1-0-demoed-on-msi-netbook-looks-shockingly-stupendous-vi/
Either they are touting for advertising revenue or I am getting jaded.

True, it didn't look so stupendous to me. More like Moblin 2.1 with a few pretty avatars. The biggest let down: zones.

I mean the concept of zones is good in theory, but not in practice. For example, why should a little calculator need its own dedicated screen/zone? Why can't you keep it in the corner to do quick calculations when your typing a word document. Alternating between like 8 Applications will take too long with Alt+Tab cycling and will be slow if you attempted to switch by entering the "zones" tab if all you needed was a quick peek/copy and paste/calculation.

So it slows you down for those "fast multitasking" periods but more importantly become a huge nuisance.
And perhaps you connected your netbook to a large screen. You now have enough screen estate to multitask efficiently but are unable to take advantage. This is why Windows7 Superbar works wonders.

@Rebski I've developed my own smartphone/tablet/netbook/home console OS concept and I've nearly finalized about 50% of the illustrations. Once I've finished 50% (soon), you will be one of the first to get a sneak peek, I'll PM you. [Constructive] Criticism is much appreciated :D

[Rebski]

Yes I think that's true. Or if they were to sell something like a flagship model as experimental, at least they should come out and officially say we will later apply what we learnt unto this experiment with official firmware.
Yes and price it accordingly, i.e. low. It is not fair to price it as a premium product when it doesn't perform as such and leaves us high and dry shortly afterwards. That way we know where we stand and it avoids bad feeling.

I mean it doesn't even help the majority when fanboys come out and say "You should've done your research!!!!!".
They would of course have been correct in that and I walked into the SmartQ purchase with my eyes open so the lack of optimisation efforts over the past year are disappointing but that was on the cards from the outset and it was cheap too.

Nokia charged full price for the N800 and that implied much more. Not only the cost but the kudos I had wrongly attributed to the Nokia brand. And that really is at the heart of this. I simply gave Nokia more credit for customer care than it warranted. That might go some way to explaining why Apple is wiping the floor with Nokia.

@Rebski I've developed my own smartphone/tablet/netbook/home console OS concept and I've nearly finalized about 50% of the illustrations. Once I've finished 50% (soon), you will be one of the first to get a sneak peek, I'll PM you. [Constructive] Criticism is much appreciated
Thank you I look forward to that.

[ysss]

Yes and price it accordingly, i.e. low. It is not fair to price it as a premium product when it doesn't perform as such and leaves us high and dry shortly afterwards. That way we know where we stand and it avoids bad feeling.
[/QUOTE]

I think this underlines one of the basic issues in this market segment. On a smartphone spec page, generally the hardware components take up some 80-95% of the listing. Sometimes the software component only shows up in one line:

Operating System: ____

So it would be par for the course for Nokia to price the N900 as it is, due to the hardware specs on it. The software component (OS, core apps, etc) value on the N900 depends highly on who's judging it.

[nosa101]

Look at what I found
http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/telefonica-gets-behind-meego-says-smartphones-netbooks-table/?utm_source=engadget&utm_medium=twitter

Virtually all of the MeeGo buzz since Intel and Nokia's tie-up back in February has been focused on high-end smartphones, tablets, and netbooks, but Telefonica reminds us that there's another potential target for the platform, too -- connected TVs. The Spanish wireless, fixed internet, and cable operator has thrown its weight behind MeeGo this week (which is a pretty big deal considering that the company has global reach across 25 countries and about a quarter billion subscribers), hinting that "services could potentially include content and applications that can be accessed from devices such as smartphones, netbooks, tablets, and internet connected TVs for Telefonica's wireline and wireless operations." We've yet to see any set-top box announcements in the MeeGo space, but with Google trying to light fires under the connected TV market, we imagine some competitors are bound to emerge -- and it's probably a good sign that they've got the backing of a cable company.

Telefonica is a pretty big deal

[buurmas]

This thread from the MeeGo forum contains some announcements from Computex:
http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=195
I didn't check to see which of them, if any, were new.

[kevloral]

Look at what I found
http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/telefonica-gets-behind-meego-says-smartphones-netbooks-table/?utm_source=engadget&utm_medium=twitter

Telefonica is a pretty big deal

Indeed. Telefonica is the third largest mobile operator in the world.

[gerbick]

Can a mod please change the title of this thread. The hyperbole in it keeps me from taking this thread serious.

[Kangal]

@buurmas thanks for the vid (though I had seen it on engadget first). That vid had one aspect of my concept in its UI (de ja vu?), I'll let you guess what that is once I release it.
@Rebski and ysss I've had some progress on my UI.

But then I had an idea that this UI might be quite good on the N900, so I am slowly tweeking some areas to suit it so.

Remember that this concept is
a whole (eg similar to how iPhone's OS complete)
very intuitive (you find things at the first expected places) unlike Snow Leopard
everything is categorizes to you in the easiest form.

The first release will be a coarse release of flip images (ie slideshow) so their won't be any polishing/eye candy.
This is because I've created most of the icons by hand, so if someone with graphic experienced picked it up you will be WOWed.

Just to give you more info:
I've concluded that this UI will be aimed at MeeGo and should be adopt to the N900 nicely.
I am constructing it a complete and from scratch.
I've already finished the entire design by paper sketches and transferred these into wordpad.
I've finished drawing 50% of the concept with Paint to illustrate the concept.
I've just realized their is more things I need to add to my design:
for instance illustrating the interface when you hit the shortcut
and adding portrait view (a big challenge when there is emphasis on multitasking).

Instead of publishing the progress so far, I've decided to continue on these.

And just to clarify why I've concluded this will suit MeeGo primarily:

The concept is designed multi-finger friendly (but mouse/keyboard are very encouraged),
Multitasking is at its heart and is meshed around full-blown desktop Linux OS.
It's aimed at all devices with screens between 4" (854x480)* to larger touch devices like 12" (1366x768).
It scales beautifully to 50" TV screens for some video/gaming fun.

With following updates I might make it aimed between 3" (640x360 - half HD) to 12" (1280x720 - HD). But it will take some many optimizations until it can be finger friendly AND intuitive AND fitting on 3". It wont be specifically aimed at but it will again scale perfectly to large (>40") TVs with Full HD (1920x1080) but using same sizing placements as the 720p or the 480p since large TVs are viewed from a distance and sizig is about displaying information orderly instead of cramming alot of information into that screen^.

*It actually started on this pixel ratio and size for pocketable gaming PMP I designed for OPandora.

^Just to prove my point think; the iPhone displays 4x4 widgets. Now think how much more difficult/slow it would be to use/find Apps if the widgets were arranged in a 6x6 configure. See my point now?

Some pages I would leave only 12 Apps as it would make spotting them easy.

[rcarlos]

have just seen the unveiling of iphone 4...and I dont think any device is going to kill it

[Rebeldiamond]

have just seen the unveiling of iphone 4...and I dont think any device is going to kill it

I agree, it looks very promising indeed.

[kojacker]

I don't think MeeGo offers any threat to the iPhone, that's just ridiculous. Not from what I've seen of it anyway, imo it's much more in competition to the iPad and tablet Android/Chrome.

New iPhone looks great, addition of a gyroscope is fanatastic :D It's great to see Apple pushing their technical advancements as that in turn will push Android harder, help create and develop new mobile services, and in the end we'll all win :)

[nosa101]

I don't know but I suddenly have this urge not to multitask. I mean, where am I rushing to anyway. Life is short, I should take it easy.

Jokes aside, the new iPhone looks pretty good or maybe it's the Steve Jobs is talking about it.

[ysss]

Yeah, the 960x480 screen and 7hrs 3G talk time won me over.
Another round of iPhone for me...

[gerbick]

Dead, huh? The silence from Nokia should have been avoided and used a moment like this to at least say "We have something that's just as good, if not better..." and have had something to show.

Pre-orders for the iPhone 4 will be through the roof meanwhile Nokia is not answering or showing a thing. Who does the marketing - online and ad/print - for Nokia? They're asleep at the wheel.

The screen, forward facing camera, Fring is on the way like... tomorrow. And Facetime... comes with.

Yep. I'm honestly impressed. Hope Nokia can top it.

[nosa101]

Dead, huh? The silence from Nokia should have been avoided and used a moment like this to at least say "We have something that's just as good, if not better..." and have had something to show.

Pre-orders for the iPhone 4 will be through the roof meanwhile Nokia is not answering or showing a thing. Who does the marketing - online and ad/print - for Nokia? They're asleep at the wheel.

The screen, forward facing camera, Fring is on the way like... tomorrow. And Facetime... comes with.

Yep. I'm honestly impressed. Hope Nokia can top it.

I don't think it's Nokia here. The Apple machine is unparalleled. Nokia is too "old school" to compete with the Apple when it comes to PR things like this.

[tissot]

Pre-orders for the iPhone 4 will be through the roof meanwhile Nokia is not answering or showing a thing. Who does the marketing - online and ad/print - for Nokia? They're asleep at the wheel.

Crappiest decisions from Nokia would be just that. Either start talking about device that's not yet announced or released or announcing MeeGo device now that will be released in q4(late q4 probally).

[rcarlos]

pre orders from June 15th

[gerbick]

I don't think it's Nokia here. The Apple machine is unparalleled. Nokia is too "old school" to compete with the Apple when it comes to PR things like this.

Unfortunately... it takes advertisements to get out there. Or else you'll be talking about hundreds of thousands of sales versus millions.

Case in point, N900. Awesome machine, not ready for primetime, Nokia wisely didn't mass market it, but at a moment when they actually have something upcoming... silence.

Advertisements and/or PR allows you to be a future option in the face of competition. All they need to do is make the unknowing masses know about their MeeGo offering(s) and the iPhone iOS 4 offerings might be a second choice.

Only if they chose to talk. And they don't. Once again, I'll have an iPhone (via the company perhaps) before I have a MeeGo machine in the US that'll be offered on the 4th largest, not the first two carriers (more than likely) and those that want openness and choice will be relegated to a second-rate network in all but major cities and left behind in terms of screen resolution, app offerings and (now) support (USB port problems anybody?).

Nokia needs to get their head out of the sand and start communicating - and I don't mean pulling an Apple conference, but less PowerPoint slideshows, they're boring - and get out there.

Hire a street team that can actually answer questions. Get the new OS out there to more than just the tens of thousands that have seen MeeGo on YouTube... a site that gets 2 billion hits per day. People don't know enough about MeeGo for it to be an option.

And not talking about it... the world will pass them by.

And before you think otherwise, I want choice, I want openness, I want Nokia to do well. Silence is bad now.

[gerbick]

Crappiest decisions from Nokia would be just that. Either start talking about device that's not yet announced or released or announcing MeeGo device now that will be released in q4(late q4 probally).

How is it crappy to build some brand awareness now? That's confusing to me.

[bbin]

Yeah, the 960x480 screen and 7hrs 3G talk time won me over.
Another round of iPhone for me...


960x480 resolution? Htc desire is 480x800 AND 3,7 inch. Is there a "magical" difference in ips vs oled? I bet first MeeGo device will make that screen look dull :D

[rcarlos]

Is it only me..thinking steve jobs to be a very good presenter....man nokia can care for one alike him.

[ysss]

@rcarlos: i'm not 100% sure what you meant, but I think I agree with you dude.

[rcarlos]

its ok as long as we agree .)

but is Nokia listening...free OS upgrade to the old products ?

[ysss]

@rcarlos: they will want to do that when they get as much money from apps/contents as _________.

[wmarone]

Is there a "magical" difference in ips vs oled?
A fundamental difference. And at the very least IPS LCDs are a known quantity, while OLEDs are still going under development (and a PenTile OLED has noticeable artifacts, even if it takes a forced image to show them.)

I bet first MeeGo device will make that screen look dull :D
Why do people have to throw lines into this into posts with decent questions?

[kyleric81]

nokia bad customer service, see what they did to maemo 5 consumer is obviously nokia will going down again when iphone 4 release... meego sorry for it. most of maemo 5 user having nightmare on it, no more take 2

[anaskr]

well an intelligent man who falls once tries to get back on the feet as soon as possible,while the over confident one lies down and waits for help !!

lets see which one is Nokia? i guess the first one !! let it fall now :D

[Kangal]

well an intelligent man who falls once tries to get back on the feet as soon as possible,while the over confident one lies down and waits for help !!

lets see which one is Nokia? i guess the first one !! let it fall now :D

Good Post, made me ponder and this is what came to me:

Waits for help = Nokia high-end (smart) phones now use Android
Gets up = Nokia's high-end (smart) phones use MeeGo and it is tolerable (very few bugs).
Gets up asap = Nokia internationally releases said MeeGo phone by August (regardless of bugs)


Which option seems the easiest way for Nokia to recover?
Which option will Nokia probably end up using?
Which option is the best long-term solution?

[jsa]

Waits for help = Nokia high-end (smart) phones now use Android
Gets up = Nokia's high-end (smart) phones use MeeGo and it is tolerable (very few bugs).
Gets up asap = Nokia internationally releases said MeeGo phone by August (regardless of bugs)


Which option seems the easiest way for Nokia to recover?
Which option will Nokia probably end up using?
Which option is the best long-term solution?

They're not adopting Android, that's for sure. And I don't think they should. They'll use Symbian on their midrange smartphones, and MeeGo on the high end. Period.

They'll launch a MeeGo handset H2 this year, I'd guess Nokia World in September (like the N900 at last years Nokia World). Don't know how it's going to be but I assume significant improvement over the N900.

[waelfarouk0]

i think meego will kill N900 first
what is the future of Maemo 5 ?
shall we have to re-write software done for maemo 5 again or we will be able re-compile without a problems.
N900 has no much applications in the market and i think this will be the problem of meego , if nokia will come with meego they should keep it for longer time in the market, i am afraid that after meego comes to market we find a new OS will come and forget meego
Nokia should be focus on current OS and upgrade OS slowly to get stability,
if the user will be intersted in tablet PC he should expect a big base of applications serve the OS
IPHONE is stable OS, battery is good when i am using it i feel a proud
N900 is a greate multi task phone, wonderful browser , but no much applications serve it, battery is not run as promised , no much applications serve it, SDK developments documentation is poor, phone API (SMS/Phone calls) is not clear very hard to find
Meego !!! still we don't know to judge but we wait, so you can't say it will kill iphone

thanks

[gixx]

Let Nokia, Apple and RIM Fighting with Mobile OS.

SAMSUNG, Moto and more Said : "Who care!?, I'm going with Android."

http://www.siamviewer.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Samsung-Galaxy-S.jpg

http://androidrelease.com/wp-content/uploads/Motorola-Milestone-Android-2.1.jpg

[leviathan18]

innovation??
bro where you been for the past 10 years!
i was multi tasking on my n95-1 before the iphone had even been invented!:eek:

and you had a 5MP camera also, and front camera and video recording and copy and paste and a store and navigation and gps bt etc etc etc

[SD.]

Let Nokia, Apple and RIM Fighting with Mobile OS.

SAMSUNG, Moto and more Said : "Who care!?, I'm going with Android."

Ha...

No manufacturer is completely committed to Android. Google themselves gave up making Android phones after the N1. Other manufacturers use it because of the Google apps included and because it's free. Google might continue the practice of making apps for non-Android phones, and port GMail Mobile and Google Maps/Earth to MeeGo. If MeeGo is fully available and free for any manufacturer to use then they will use it.

Android Market pretty much flopped and it's not worth protecting even though they get a 30% cut from all paid apps. I think we're headed in a direction that's no so app-centric. People are probably just more satisfied with the built in features in Android compared to iOS.

When it comes down to it I don't think Google cares about losing a mobile OS war at this point. They'd rather have their search engine given prominent placement as the default on every phone no matter what OS is running on it. They're probably really scared of Bing right now.

[shallimus]

When it comes down to it I don't think Google cares about losing a mobile OS war at this point. They'd rather have their search engine given prominent placement as the default on every phone no matter what OS is running on it.
Sounds likely.

They're probably really scared of Bing right now.
Someone is using Bing, certainly. But who? Do you? Does anyone you know use Bing?
I tried it several times since its release, and it didn't satisfy, so I still keep feeding my views and clicks to the Monster of Mountain View...

[danramos]

Ha...

No manufacturer is completely committed to Android. Google themselves gave up making Android phones after the N1. Other manufacturers use it because of the Google apps included and because it's free. Google might continue the practice of making apps for non-Android phones, and port GMail Mobile and Google Maps/Earth to MeeGo. If MeeGo is fully available and free for any manufacturer to use then they will use it.

That's why they're moving along to Android 3.0 (gingerbread) later this year.. and aiming it squarely at the new Android tablets. You know... the hardware manufacturers are scrambling to put out tablets. New stuff. GREAT stuff, in fact.

If that's not commitment, what the hell is Nokia doing to the N900 again? Maemo? Hell, what are we expecting out of MeeGo from Nokia (versus the PR about Symbian, for example).

[SD.]

Someone is using Bing, certainly. But who? Do you? Does anyone you know use Bing?

I tried it several times since its release, and it didn't satisfy, so I still keep feeding my views and clicks to the Monster of Mountain View...
No I don't use Bing but they are coming up with more innovative features than Google lately despite the fact it was a "Google ripoff" to begin with. Google's original search engine technology was exclusive but other sites have caught up with them.

Google's next major project is rumored to be a social networking site to compete with Facebook. They could be spreading themselves too thin like what happened to Yahoo, but their solution is to discontinue stuff that isn't working for them like Google Videos, Wave, and Gears to name a few. Possibly the same might happen with Android if something superior comes along.

[SD.]

I already mentioned it above, but to emphasize it, Android is basically the only decent free mobile operating system available right now.

If manufacturers have a choice between WebOS and Android they might be running WebOS instead. Who knows... There's just no other alternative for Motorola, HTC, Samsung and others that are struggling to compete against Apple in the U.S. right now.

Someone should make a wrapper to run Android applications on MeeGo or a way to run a complete AndroidOS instance on top(instead of rebooting like with NitDroid). That would not only be an intriguing feature but a bridge for the android users that wouldn't want to switch otherwise. :D

[danramos]

No I don't use Bing but they are coming up with more innovative features than Google lately despite the fact it was a "Google ripoff" to begin with. Google's original search engine technology was exclusive but other sites have caught up with them.

There's also something to be said for a good, clean, uncluttered,, lightweight search site. Think back to 1999 when Google started to rear its head early on. It was JUST a big Google logo and a bar. It was trying to compete with search engines of the time like Excite, WebCrawler, Ask Jeeves, etc. I think people forget just how crowded, hot and crazy the search engine business used to be. Google won out MAINLY because it was uncluttered and clean. Excite used to look a LOT like today's 'iGoogle' interface with all those drag+droppable widgets and features. But people really preferred the sleeker and cleaner Google searches, where the ads weren't laden in graphics, Flash and RealPlayer content. They were TEXT BASED ADS. It just worked.

Google's next major project is rumored to be a social networking site to compete with Facebook. They could be spreading themselves too thin like what happened to Yahoo, but their solution is to discontinue stuff that isn't working for them like Google Videos, Wave, and Gears to name a few. Possibly the same might happen with Android if something superior comes along.

Didn't they already do that? Orkut? By my opinion, if they already did it and they're simply giving it a much-needed facelift and a new name, I'm not sure I'd wager that they're spreading thin. More importantly, they're not even showing signs of spreading thin yet. They have huge successes with relatively minor-impact failures (like Google Wave, Google Buzz, etc.. it's not hurting them that it's failing/failed).

Again, by my opinion, Nokia by contrast has decided to make cellular phones their main business and they're trending toward failure in that... while tragically missing the boat on a market segment that they almost could have taken credit for creating, or at least leading, a few years ago in the Internet Tablets. Nokia isn't spreading thin either... they're just casually expunging all the things they were doing right and concentrating on doing all the wrong things with what they HAD as realized or potential successes.

[SD.]

Nokia isn't spreading thin either... they're just casually expunging all the things they were doing right and concentrating on doing all the wrong things with what they HAD as realized or potential successes.
Hopefully MeeGo will be more Linux Foundation than Nokia when all things are said and done because if it's just a Nokia project we might see phones released by them that are a lot like certain Android phones or the N900, with no major version updates after a year or less even though the hardware is completely capable to handle the new version. HTC MeeGo phones would almost be guaranteed updates for years after their release.

Edit:
You can install iOS4 on an iPhone 3GS, several Android phones that are on 1.6/2.0/2.1 are getting the 2.2 update, BlackberryOS 4 phones can upgrade to 6, some Windows Mobile phones were able to go from WM2003 to WM6.5... I'm starting to think Nokia should have an official MeeGo upgrade for the N900 (or at least give the community all of the tools to do it properly!)