Meego resetting the step X/5 countdown?

[olighak]

Is the Meego 1.0 release going to be resetting the Maemo Step X of 5 count?

I.e. Maemo 5 (N900) being labeled as Step 4/5 to consumer friendly mainstream devices running Maemo?

[Chrome]

I think they changed the plan and Maemo5 is step 4/4 now, no more step 5

MeeGo now is step 1/x

[ysss]

Yeah... they got null pointer exception and the program has to be reset at this point. I'm sure MeeGo will start their own x-step system, let's just wait for the announcement.

Or maybe they'll just make a roadmap, because things seem to be much more mature coming from well cooked Maemo and Moblin.

[gerbick]

Oh... I've been waiting for this to come up. And sadly know that we mere mortals will never get an answer from Nokia pertaining this.

As far as it goes... I'm just gonna call MeeGo the first "divide by zero" event that I personally witnessed in real life.

[benny1967]

Is the Meego 1.0 release going to be resetting the Maemo Step X of 5 count?

I.e. Maemo 5 (N900) being labeled as Step 4/5 to consumer friendly mainstream devices running Maemo?

No. There's plenty of information available about this question. What Nokia will be offering as their first "MeeGo"-device this year will, in fact, run the operating system that is code-named Harmattan... previously known as Maemo 6. They only changed names.

Future MeeGo-devices - the real MeeGo - will certainly not "reset the counter". They're not going to re-invent the wheel (like they had to from Symbian to Maemo). Moblin and Maemo were so similar in the first place that their child MeeGo won't be too different either.

[slaapliedje]

That's not quite true.

Harmattan they have said that they are sticking with what they had already been working on previous to the Intel / Nokia wrt Moblin / Maemo merger.

Maemo 6, is basically the same though as Meego, but with Debian still as the base?

Well at least that's as far as I was able to discern from all the crap.

They had basically said "Yes, we're switching to Meego from here on out, but we don't want to just throw away all our work on Harmattan."

But from the look of things, the main reason they switched to RPM is going away... the OBS, there's a Maemo 5 Deb version now. I still think they should stick to Debs, every RPM based distribution I've ever used, I have always ended up having some problem. Though CentOS is pretty sweet (it should be, being based on RHEL).

slaapliedje

[Venemo]

The answer is no.

The next release will still be the good old Harmattan. Only its brand name has changed.

[fatalsaint]

Harmattan device is still step 5/6/whatever but it's meant to be API compatible with MeeGo.

But yes.. I kind of consider the Step 4 / Never now. Divide by zero was entertaining; as was the null pointer exception.

You guys are awesome.

[javispedro]

MeeGo doesn't affect the Harmattan release "much" for all I know, so I don't see why it should reset the counter.

[qgil]

Anssi Vanjoki has been talking about those steps to reach the mainstream from a Nokia device product point of view (N810 launch, N900 introduced in Nokia World). For this reason the "step 5" makes more sense when seen from a Nokia device product point of view.

From a MeeGo point of view there is a new step every six months.

[silvermountain]

So excuse a rather naive question:

My understanding is that MeeGo on the next device is still for all points and purposes Harmattan - which is 'Maemo6'.

The device after the next one will run 'real MeeGo'.

If that's true...and since Nokia never announces if a replacement OS will be able to be run on legacy devices - won't the Harmattan device be the most dead-end product ever invented and buying it will be only of interest to the hackers (again?) as no work will continue on Maemo5/6 after the device comes out.

I thought the Harmattan device was going to be the first device that was really going to be pushed to the mainstream - if so, isn't it rather deceptive (read: lying) of Nokia to release a phone and say that it is running MeeGo whilst knowing that that is just a re-branded name of a Maemo distro and that following devices may well be running an OS that can never be ported back (hello Maemo 5 for N8x0, hello MeeGo for N900?)?

[benny1967]

I thought the Harmattan device was going to be the first device that was really going to be pushed to the mainstream - if so, isn't it rather deceptive (read: lying) of Nokia to release a phone and say that it is running MeeGo whilst knowing that that is just a re-branded name of a Maemo distro and that following devices may well be running an OS that can never be ported back (hello Maemo 5 for N8x0, hello MeeGo for N900?)?

Your question would only make sense if Maemo and MeeGo were two different operating systems. They are not. They are just two different GNU/Linux distributions. (And if you look at the components used in both projects, you'll see they're not even all that different.)

On top of all that there's Qt and a user interface layer which is not part of MeeGo, but designed by Nokia - most probably with a look and feel that makes Maemo users feel right at home.

So in the end it'll be a bit like having Ubuntu on one PC and Gentoo on the other - which is what I have at home. The names are different, the package formats are different, Ubuntu comes with its own themes... but to me, it's still the same OS: I run the same applications and edit the same config files in the same places.

[silvermountain]

Your question would only make sense if Maemo and MeeGo were two different operating systems. They are not. They are just two different GNU/Linux distributions.

Well, I did say it was a naive question :)

I do, however, in the world of Nokia treat distros as very different taking the whole OS2008-Maemo5-MeeGo situation and incompatibility into consideration.

[eiffel]

Here's what Anssi Vanjoki said at MWC in February 2010 (http://www.allaboutmaemo.com/news/item/11195_Video_Anssi_Vanjoki_on_Symbian.php):

In 2004 when we introduced the first Internet tablet I said, at that time when that was introduced, it would take us five iterations of the software of the platform that will manifest themselves in product and then we have the next generation computer platform after the personal computer (PC). And we have taken four steps, one step is missing. Today we announced the guts of the step, which that it is not only Maemo, but actually it is [also] Moblin, with all the deep level abstraction work that Intel and their community have been doing, with the usability layers of Maemo put together making MeeGo, which really has the potential to be beyond PC. When these real time 24/7 on, always with you, kind of computers, will completely replace these fellows.

Notice that he refers to five iterations of the software, not of the hardware.

If Anssi's memory is correct, his "five-step plan" hails from 2004. Pre-iPhone, in other words. You can be sure that the "plan" will have been changed many times since then. It's not as if, in 2004, Nokia planned that Step 5 would be to merge their software with Intel's.

[eiffel]

Anssi Vanjoki also referred to the software five-step (http://www.mobilenewscwp.co.uk/News/314511/nokia_networks_may_reject_n900.html) when the N900 was launched last year:

In 2004 I announced a five-step programme with five generations of software evolution that will come with what will be the next generation of computers.

The Nokia 770 was the first step, the N900 is the fourth. We have one step to go before we will have what we believe is the future of computers.

Not just the future of Nokia Internet Tablets, but the whole future of computers. May as well shoot high, you only have further that you can fall.

[tissot]

Your question would only make sense if Maemo and MeeGo were two different operating systems. They are not. They are just two different GNU/Linux distributions. (And if you look at the components used in both projects, you'll see they're not even all that different.)

On top of all that there's Qt and a user interface layer which is not part of MeeGo, but designed by Nokia - most probably with a look and feel that makes Maemo users feel right at home.

So in the end it'll be a bit like having Ubuntu on one PC and Gentoo on the other - which is what I have at home. The names are different, the package formats are different, Ubuntu comes with its own themes... but to me, it's still the same OS: I run the same applications and edit the same config files in the same places.

Indeed. To me Harmattan is the OS from Nokia that have finally gone full circle and is all about Qt. Symbian^4 following later.
I don't think MeeGo 1.1 will be as big thing to me as a user as Harmattan.

[Cthulhu]

On top of all that there's Qt and a user interface layer which is not part of MeeGo, but designed by Nokia - most probably with a look and feel that makes Maemo users feel right at home.
Allow me to make a minor correction:
Qt is originally designed by a norwegian company called Trolltech. Nokia bought Trolltech in June 2008 and thus has taken over the maintenance and further development of Qt.

Sorry for the noise. ;)

[benny1967]

On top of all that there's Qt and a user interface layer which is not part of MeeGo, but designed by Nokia - most probably with a look and feel that makes Maemo users feel right at home.

Allow me to make a minor correction:
Qt is originally designed by a norwegian company called Trolltech. Nokia bought Trolltech in June 2008 and thus has taken over the maintenance and further development of Qt.

Sorry for the noise. ;)

How would the history of Qt relate to a UI layer build by Nokia on top of MeeGo (which Qt is part of)? :confused:

[Cthulhu]

How would the history of Qt relate to a UI layer build by Nokia on top of MeeGo (which Qt is part of)? :confused:
My mistake. I misunderstood what you wrote. I thought, you meant to say, that Nokia designed both Qt and the UI layer.