Abiword on N800

[tolou]

Abiword work (for various values of "work") on my NaB00.

How do you install Abiword on a N800? I only got hold of 2.4.1 which gives me a 'incompatible with current software'??

[mobiledivide]

I used this Rep

http://www.abisource.com/downloads/apt
distribution : mistral
components :user

I installed it and it runs quite well, but it does randomly crash. I wouldn't use it for critical work.

[tolou]

Yup, that's it. Installed now. Thanks!

[ffarber]

I used this Rep

http://www.abisource.com/downloads/apt
distribution : mistral
components :user

I installed it and it runs quite well, but it does randomly crash. I wouldn't use it for critical work.

Didn'rk for me. How do you open the gzip files? I managed to find a directory with the debs separated out (pool, I believe) and downloaded all of those but I am still missing libglade2 which is holding me up on gnumeric as well. There is some discussion of manually loading it but I can't find a version that the application manager will accept. I have double posted this in the hopes of getting an answer.

Fred

[luketoh]

Fred, add the above to your Application Manager's catalogue. Then search for Abiword to install using the Application manager.

[rickh]

Didn'rk for me. How do you open the gzip files? I managed to find a directory with the debs separated out (pool, I believe) and downloaded all of those but I am still missing libglade2 which is holding me up on gnumeric as well. There is some discussion of manually loading it but I can't find a version that the application manager will accept. I have double posted this in the hopes of getting an answer.

Fred
Did you grab the file from http://erinye.com/maemo/? I grabbed both Abiword 2.2.7 and more_gconv_modules and both installed fine for me. I don't have libglade2 installed (at least it doesn't show up in installed applications), so I don't know where that's coming from.

R.
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[ffarber]

Fred, add the above to your Application Manager's catalogue. Then search for Abiword to install using the Application manager.

Now I get it. Iwas trying to make it harder than it is. I have now gotten both abiword (as described above) and gnumeric (by actually adding the maemo repository which I thought had already been added) to install.

I am ready to give it a go!!

Now we need a Microsoft Push email client.

Anyone?

Fred

[Mark S]

I added the abiword package to my app manager using the url, distribution, and component as identified above, and I still get an error that some packages required are missing and it is that same file Fred had problems with libglade2-0.

I think I am doing this right, but it doesn't seem to be working for me.

Any ideas?

[debernardis]

This is still too unstable to be usable imho. Without a proper word-processor the n770/800 remain more on the toy side than the enabler device side. :(
Comments?

[artkavanagh]

Without a proper word-processor the n770/800 remain more on the toy side than the enabler device side.

I don't agree. It depends on what you want to use it for, of course, but I'd be surprised if there's much demand for mail merge on the internet tablet, for example, and you're never going to do much in the way of page layout on a 4" screen. For writing/editing, you can get a lot done with an ordinary text editor. I say this as someone who uses a word processor virtually every day.

[debernardis]

@artkavanagh
It depends on the use you are need on the move. Text editors are good tools when you plan to refine your work on another machine, but if you have to deliver a formatted document with using your tablet only, you're stuck unless your are proficient with latex (I guess... I'm not though).

In the last few years, I have been using more or less the complete series of Nokia Communicator smartphones. Starting from the 9210, they have been including a word-compatible (sort of) wordprocessing app which was enourmously useful to get a document while out, editing and resending. There are now apps on the symbian s80 platform (that of communicators up to now) which allow an almost perfect round-trip compatibility from word to the smartphone back to word.
It has been great to be able to make or edit work documents while out and send them as fax or email attachments... I hope to be able to do the same with the n800, and indeed it seems likely that it's only a matter of time and involvement of people with the same needs.

@bizshop:
unfortunately, writely.com as well as the majority of ajax web applications does not work on the tablet, either on opera or on the present version of the mozilla minimo browser. Minimo shows your document only but does not allow editing. The only possible hack is to modify the doc in html mode, which isn't exactly what writely or google docs were intended for... you better use a text-editor in that case.
I'd like to be refuted, but by now it seems unlikely.
This is the greatest limitation by now for these devices. I read elsewhere on this forum (in a much inflamed thread), though, that the priorities of the nokia team for tablets are flash and ajax, as opposed to java.
So this situation might change in the near future :o .

[artkavanagh]

debernardis,

It sounds like we're basically in agreement: it depends on what you want to use the tablet for. Nobody would claim that the N800 is a universal solution. You may be right that somebody will produce a kind of mini-Office for the internet tablet. I'm sceptical of claims of round-tripping. Over the years, I've tried various apps that claimed to be able to read and save Word docs, most recently Nisus Writer Express on the Mac. As far as I can see, they tend to work best when the formatting is trivial. Footnotes, tables with cells that span either rows or columns and, oddly enough, cross references usually produce unsatisfactory results. I haven't actually tried a doc with a table of contents or an index but I wouldn't be optimistic.

[geneven]

This is a giant blind spot that the people associated with the N800 have. You need Word compatibility, meaning that users need to be able to read and edit Word documents.

Mail Merge is not so important. Writely would be pretty good, if it would work. The business world is dependent on Word compatibility.

[luketoh]

Does the MS Word for Windows Mobile even have 100% compatibility and features as the desktop version? I don't think so, right?

I think, for other devices (eg. tablets), as long as we can read word docs, and we can type out the contents in text format (to be cut and pasted over on the desktop), it would already be good. If tables can be included...even better.



Luke

[artkavanagh]

I agree that Google Docs (né Writely) should work on the N800. It just doesn't bother me a lot that it doesn't.

[rickh]

debernardis,
...
You may be right that somebody will produce a kind of mini-Office for the internet tablet. I'm sceptical of claims of round-tripping.
I wish Softmaker would produce a version of TextMaker for the N800. I used that consistently on my Zaurus and it was a solid app. I'd gladly pay them money again. Very good compatibility with Word documents.

R.
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[megabyte405]

The AbiWord package (in that repository) is the recommended one for N770 devices (hence the mistral designation). I'm an Abi dev and just got an N800, and I recognize that it has some problems, most likely since the ABI/API changed between Mistral and Bora. I plan on getting at least a recompiled version (which should fix most random crashes, I believe) ready within a little while, and hopefully will get AbiWord on N800 whipped into proper shape sometime this summer.

Ryan
AbiWord Dev, Win32 Maintainer, and SoC Participant - Abi Collab

[vtroneg]

The AbiWord package (in that repository) is the recommended one for N770 devices (hence the mistral designation). I'm an Abi dev and just got an N800, and I recognize that it has some problems, most likely since the ABI/API changed between Mistral and Bora. I plan on getting at least a recompiled version (which should fix most random crashes, I believe) ready within a little while, and hopefully will get AbiWord on N800 whipped into proper shape sometime this summer.

Ryan
AbiWord Dev, Win32 Maintainer, and SoC Participant - Abi Collab

Hooray... :D

[klohmann]

Greetings:

The 2.2.7 version with the gconv modules works quite well on the 770. It will read and write most word documents (it actually writes in rtf), and the gconv modules solve the problem of most word documents importing as pages full of ???????s. It is also reasonably stable (although still no spell check. . .)

Don't know how well it works on the 800, although I'd be interested in hearing (I'm seriously considering upgrading). Both packages are available from erinye.com/maemo mistral user.

Thanks, K.

[dcarter]

2.2.7 works about the same on the N800 as it does on the 770, albeit a bit faster all around.

If you create a document from scratch, it does save it as rtf, however,
if you open an actual word document (one with the .doc designation), edit it on 2.2.7, and save it again, it DOES save as .doc, and not as rtf.

dcarter

[debernardis]

There must be somethin wrong in my present setup on my n800: maybe
abiword 2.4.6-0maemo0 is incompatible with the gconv extensions, because all the
word files I tested are rendered with question marks only. I'll try now to downgrade
abiword and I'll report here. There's a red pill to swallow, though :D

Edit: swallowing the red pill allows to downgrade and the app seems to work and open word files, even if it seems that the risk of a "slow-scrolling-&-unresponsive" crash is real. Hope for a new improved version, hence. Being able to view-edit openoffice.org files would be great.

[Karel Jansens]

I noticed that there's an update for MaemoTeX available. I wonder if a port of LyX (http://www.lyx.org/) would be feasible now?

The reason: I'm beginning to think that a WYSIWYG word processor is not the smartest thing to use on a device with a small screen.

LyX renders text to fit the medium it's being displayed on: so your document will look different on screen than on paper, but that's okay really, because LyX is a typesetter, not a wordprocessor: it will do almost all of the formatting for the user. It's also quite good at outputting files that can be printed directly on other systems, so it circumvents the Nump's problem of not having a printing engine.

LyX does depend heavily on TeX and its assisting programs, so the big question is whether MeamoTeX has everything LyX needs.

[YoDude]

... I'm beginning to think that a WYSIWYG word processor is not the smartest thing to use on a device with a small screen.



I concur. I would think that if you have to rely on a PDA for presentation quality correspondence or text, you may have other issues like not having an office or word processor.

All a PDA should need for quick correspondence or jotting down text riffs for later pasting in a word processor is an input interface that doesn't require a lot of effort and a spell check.

Text riffs can be jotted down using any number of current N800 apps. However a cross device spell checker that can be accessed from common menu's like the soft keyboard is all that may be needed.

Hell, every forum I belong to has a pretty good web based word processor that pops up when I post. For that matter some even have a slow spell checker. However an on board dictionary would be a lot faster. :)

[flipstar]

2.2.7 works about the same on the N800 as it does on the 770, albeit a bit faster all around.

If you create a document from scratch, it does save it as rtf, however,
if you open an actual word document (one with the .doc designation), edit it on 2.2.7, and save it again, it DOES save as .doc, and not as rtf.

dcdcarter

would you mind outlining how you got 2.2.7 to work on the n800?

As i am havaing major stability issues wit the newest version

thanks

[debernardis]

I added lyx to the apps wishlist on the maemo wiki. Lyx would be good.

[megabyte405]

Just to let all of you know, AbiWord on the 770 is a supported port (repository http://www.abisource.com/downloads/apt distribution mistral component user ) with 2.4.6 (latest stable) available. It will run, but poorly, on the N800. I'm looking into it and will hopefully have it fixed soon.

2.2.7 is _ancient_ and much earlier than the official Hildonization, I believe, too.

[Karel Jansens]

Just to let all of you know, AbiWord on the 770 is a supported port (repository http://www.abisource.com/downloads/apt distribution mistral component user ) with 2.4.6 (latest stable) available. It will run, but poorly, on the N800. I'm looking into it and will hopefully have it fixed soon.

2.2.7 is _ancient_ and much earlier than the official Hildonization, I believe, too.

But 2.2.7 works (sort of), and 2.4.6 doesn't.

[debernardis]

I'm looking into it and will hopefully have it fixed soon.

Maybe the problem is that the gconv modules are not found by version 2.4.6? While 2.2.7, with all its bugs, can import a good deal of word files, 2.4.6 renders chars with question marks only.

[megabyte405]

I see your question mark issue - I didn't notice it before because I didn't try importing any word files. Does this happen with all imported file formats? If you could, please reprt this to bugzilla.abisource.com (http://bugzilla.abisource.com) along with any other problems you may have found. FWIW, I think it loads ABW just fine, if I remember correctly (and a PC can convert to ABW with the normal desktop version).

It's not clear to me from reading this - has anyone gotten 2.4.6 to load a word file properly on a 770? on an N800? How? (What was installed, redpill or not, etc).

Thanks!

[aleksandyr]

Kind of cross-posting, but it's a wv issue as far as not finding the proper gconv filter.

[debernardis]

If you could, please reprt this to bugzilla.abisource.com (http://bugzilla.abisource.com)

Just did it :cool:

[megabyte405]

Thanks. For reference of the group, the report is here: http://bugzilla.abisource.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10961

[debernardis]

Just to let all of you know, AbiWord on the 770 is a supported port (repository http://www.abisource.com/downloads/apt distribution mistral component user ) with 2.4.6 (latest stable) available. It will run, but poorly, on the N800. I'm looking into it and will hopefully have it fixed soon.

Please include in the new build the print function which is present in the 2.2.7 version, and is precious to print to a .ps (postscript) file.

[megabyte405]

AsAs I mentioned in the other Abi thread, printing in 2.4 requires libgnomeprint. While
there may be no theoretical reason not to add it, I want to get the basics working well
first before making those decisions. I mentioned in the other Abi thread, printing in 2.4 requires libgnomeprint. While there may be no theoretical reason not to add it, I want to get the basics working well first before making those decisions.

[Karel Jansens]

You have to say it three times! :D

[debernardis]

I understand your priorities. Do you think that import/export filters for the most common file types can be included? I.e. import from openoffice.org, word, rtf and export to the same plus pdf?

[convulted]

Thanks. For reference of the group, the report is here: http://bugzilla.abisource.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10961

Posted test case yesterday.

[megabyte405]

The imp/exp filters should be possible - wpd would add aanother dep but word, rtf definitely, and probably most of the others supported too.

[debernardis]

@Megabyte405: please keep us (me :-) ) informed on your progresses..

[rrwright]

Anyone know what's going on with further development and reliability of AbiWord on the N800?

[mobiledivide]

megabyte405 is working on it and will inform the forum when an 2007OS build is ready.

[megabyte405]

I'm finishing up with my summer of code work and once I get settled back at university I'll get back on the hack for Maemo.

[cvmiller]

Did you grab the file from http://erinye.com/maemo/? I grabbed both Abiword 2.2.7 and more_gconv_modules and both installed fine for me. I don't have libglade2 installed (at least it doesn't show up in installed applications), so I don't know where that's coming from.

R.
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I tried to install this on my new N800 (just got it yesterday) and it won't install. Says that package is incompatible (or something like that). I can install 2.2.4, but it won't save (looking for an exporter).

I would appreciate any ideas,

TIA,

Craig...

[Karel Jansens]

I tried to install this on my new N800 (just got it yesterday) and it won't install. Says that package is incompatible (or something like that). I can install 2.2.4, but it won't save (looking for an exporter).

I would appreciate any ideas,

TIA,

Craig...

Did you enable red pill mode?

[mraya]

Thanks! i got AbiWord installed.

[ascherjim]

Stupid question I know (it's so basic, and I should remember how I did this in the distant past): But how do I get into Red Pill Mode? The instructions posted on Maemo, which involve adding to the Application Manager I can't get to work. I've had a working version of Abiword installed on my 770, but now I've got an N800.

[debernardis]

RED PILL MODE
Taken from http://people.csail.mit.edu/calvinon/org/setup_inst

1. Open Application Manager
2. Click on the Application Menu(upper left hand corner)
3. Click on Tools and then click on Application catalog
4. Click on the New button
5. In the Web Address delete http:// and type in matrix
6. Click on Cancel
7. This will bring up a prompt with Red Pill or Blue Pill, click on Red Pill.

BTW what the ##ck is varmosa?

[Karel Jansens]

Don't forget to go back to blue pill mode as soon as possible.

Unless, of course, your middle name is "Danger". Or, like mine, "Stupid".

[ascherjim]

Ah!!! What the Maemo instructions didn't make clear (at least to me) was that you had to delete "http://" first, before typing in "matrix." Thanks to both of you for your respective clarification and advice.

[ascherjim]

In trying to install Abiword 2.2.7 in Rad Pill mode, the installation failed because I was apparently missing libfribidio(>=0.10.4-5). I cannot find this file in the Red Pill listing of application files to be installed. Does anyone know where can I find it?

[ascherjim]

In trying to install Abiword 2.2.7 in Rad Pill mode, the installation failed because I was apparently missing libfribidio(>=0.10.4-5). I cannot find this file in the Red Pill listing of application files to be installed. Does anyone know where can I find it?

Success. I found the missing dependency also at http://erinye.com/maemo/ the site from which I initially downloaded Abiword. I should have thought of going back to this site before I bothered this forum further. Sorry. Anyway, I've now successfully installed Abiword, using the Red Pill mode, and returned to the Blue Pill mode. Thanks to all who contributed to this thread to point me in the right direction.

[Moonshine]

From this thread I take it that the Abiword OS2007 port isn't quite ready yet. Can we bribe Ryan with some all important college keg money? :)

Is there any other app (other then the google docs web app) that supports reading/editing Word docs? I haven't found anything so far other then doc reader which seems to just give simple text extraction/reading.

[debernardis]

Doc reader can convert in pdf, that after you can read with the enclosed app or with evince. This in the meantime. Ryano, may the force be with you...

[borghal]

Any progress on Abiword for the n800? I know Ryan is working on it, and I'm waiting for it eagerly! C'mon, feed the drool bucket! ;)

[Moonshine]

Maybe if we all chipped in for a nice big SDHC card for him? :D

[hillsdalebob]

It would be GREAT if Abiword 2.4.6 was available for the Nokia N800. Really!

[gLobster]

And for OS2008 :-)

[aleksandyr]

AbiWord has been updated for OS2008 and will be released in that timeframe --- at least, this is what I've read.

http://tuxrecife.blogspot.com/2007/10/abiword-ready-to-maemo-4x.html

[gLobster]

Released? I see only screenshot and not deb packages.

[aleksandyr]

Released? I see only screenshot and not deb packages.

Released in that timeframe, meaning the OS2008 release-to-users timeframe.

[megabyte405]

That blog post means that someone made and submitted a source code patch for 2008 support. It is being reviewed and polished so as to not eliminate 2006/2007 support. My schedule for getting a Maemo build out is the same as it has been for a while - just search for my posts.

[rrwright]

I'm finishing up with my summer of code work and once I get settled back at university I'll get back on the hack for Maemo.


Since it is November, does this mean that his timing has changed or something? Not that we don't appreciate your efforts, Ryan, but if you're too bogged down with stuff, should some other developers pick this up and run with it? This is such an important program for the Maemo platform, I'd hate to think that other developers are not jumping in because Ryan said he's going to handle it, but then his schedule keeps him from getting it done. Is it hand-off time or are we close to a release?

Either way, thanks for the effort you've put into this development so far!

[megabyte405]

I think the patch from another developer shows that folks aren't feeling restricted in their contributions. I am very connected with AbiWord development upstream, which is where any productive Maemo work would be done. With regard to timing, yes, it has been changed: I anticipate that a "final quality" release will come with 2.6, since the 2.4 series is quickly obsolete and not really worth putting the time in, since the upcoming 2.6 series has some major, major improvements with regard to embedded platforms.

With regard to getting settled in at Uni, let's just say that I have way too many responsibilities to actually get "settled" this year. :) I have remained somewhat active in AbiWord, maintaining the Win32 builds and AbiCollab there, but have not had the contiguous time and hard drive space to really devote time to the Maemo port. (Please see some of my other more recent posts for more details)

[Alassiel]

Just got my N800 last week. I've upgraded it to OS2008 and now I'm looking for an app that will allow me to read and modify .doc e-mail attachments. Have read this thread, the thread on Microsoft Word doc viewer, and info on Abiword website. Is 2.4.6 the correct version for OS2008? Is it best to download from their site or from a repository? If so, which one?

Thanks for any thoughts.

[megabyte405]

AbiWord does not currently have a 2008 compatible build. Working on it :) (The current build is for OS2006...)

[dcarter]

I think the patch from another developer shows that folks aren't feeling restricted in their contributions. I am very connected with AbiWord development upstream, which is where any productive Maemo work would be done. With regard to timing, yes, it has been changed: I anticipate that a "final quality" release will come with 2.6, since the 2.4 series is quickly obsolete and not really worth putting the time in, since the upcoming 2.6 series has some major, major improvements with regard to embedded platforms.

With regard to getting settled in at Uni, let's just say that I have way too many responsibilities to actually get "settled" this year. :) I have remained somewhat active in AbiWord, maintaining the Win32 builds and AbiCollab there, but have not had the contiguous time and hard drive space to really devote time to the Maemo port. (Please see some of my other more recent posts for more details)

Honestly, if hard drive space is really an issue, pm me a message and I will send you a brand new hard drive from FRYs electronics so that you might be able to make some contiguous progress on this.
With regard to your other posts, I don't mean to spark cynicism, but for a year now I have read and subsequently hoped from your posts that ABIWord would be ported for the N8xx. I wish I was the one who could gather and run with a compilation of 2.4, no matter how primitave it might be...... lord knows, it would run better than the 2.2.7 I have been stuck with for a year and a half now!

apologetic rant/

dcarter

[BruceL]

I respect that Ryan has time constraints, and I am excited that an 'official' Abiword dev is building for Maemo. I am also really excited about AbiCollab. But I think that we may have dropped the ball by expecting him to do it all. Several people, in the past, began to work on Abiword then slacked the job over to Ryan.

Ryan provided build instructions on his web-site and at least one person has successfully built it but for unknown reasons chose not to share.

I will try to build it Sunday (when I return home to my Linux box). I don't have a huge amount of time either, but I will post what results I get and I hope that (if it doesn't build easily) others will offer some ten-minute chunks of time toward resolving whatever problems I may have. (I proposed this in another thread, but got little response.)

[debernardis]

Tried myself, too, with Ryan's instructions, but got stuck in building can't remind which dependency. I was using mud-builder, probably it's not the right instrument for that, right?

[Alassiel]

I will try to build it Sunday (when I return home to my Linux box). I don't have a huge amount of time either, but I will post what results I get and I hope that (if it doesn't build easily) others will offer some ten-minute chunks of time toward resolving whatever problems I may have. (I proposed this in another thread, but got little response.)

Unfortunately, I don't have the skillset to lend a helping hand. The best I can do is offer moral support - Good luck :). Here's hoping that you (and any others that can help) are successful. Will watch this thread for additional postings.

[debernardis]

There is now an abiword project in garage.maemo.org, and Ryan is in: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/abiword/

[Alassiel]

There is now an abiword project in garage.maemo.org, and Ryan is in: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/abiword/

An important first step:). Thanks for the update.

[Enginator]

An important first step:). Thanks for the update.
tnx for hds up!
E

[megabyte405]

Ah - I forgot about all these other threads. You might be interested to subscribe/view this other thread:
http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14821

Long story short: I now have builds for Chinook and Bora, in a closed beta test. PM me to gain access, if you promise to test them well and file bugs rather than flame me :)

[T-unit]

Can I install Abiword 2.2.7 on my nokia n800 running os 2008

[debernardis]

Unfortunately you can't, because some important libraries are incompatible.

[T-unit]

Just wondering if any one is even interested in porting a full funtional version of open office? I don't really understand what is the problem with open office. If you can run an old version of Abiword then you should be able to run a small version of Open Office

[superstar]

I think the reason OO is not ported because it is a memory hug java app (someone correct me on this)

[debernardis]

If you are in the mood for experimenting, search a thread about openoffice.org where a full set of ooo packages for arm is referenced, & try them on your tablet. Might work... who knows? Beware that a bad mess of your os is quite likely so backup your data and be ready for a reflash.

[megabyte405]

Keep in mind the "old version of AbiWord" (I presume you mean 2.2.7) actually had a lot of work put into it at INdT to get it to run well. AbiWord (pre-2.6) on N800/N810 is here in a closed beta and once I've gotten the main issues out of the way into a public beta. See http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=142391 for more info.

[Johnx]

@T-unit:
1) OpenOffice has *huge* memory requirements.
2) OpenOffice is difficult to compile for ARM
3) OpenOffice can *never* be made to fit into the GUI of the tablets well without rewriting most of the UI.
4) OpenOffice is a large codebase that is hard to start working on for a programmer working on it in his/her spare time.

[TobyK]

@T-unit:
3) OpenOffice can *never* be made to fit into the GUI of the tablets well without rewriting most of the UI.


I'm not convinced of this. I used ssh -X to connect to my desktop PC, ran OpenOffice and it was quite usable on the N800 tablet (provided you have a bluetooth keyboard or N810). Even with the toolbars on. Heck, I even did some Ruby On Rails development using Aptana/Eclipse over ssh on my N800 :-) Try it and you might be surprised ;)

But what does help anyway is to gain as much height as possible since we have a nice wide screen, so I drag all the toolbars to the left and right, which allows you to see more of the document. I do this on the PC as well.

[Johnx]

Well, that's one part of it. But what I was really getting at was the "Hildonization" part, where file menus are part of the window's titlebar, file save/open dialogs are in the hildon style, etc. Either way, you're welcome to try a port. I'm just saying why I think other people haven't tried it. I don't mean to tell people they *shouldn't* try it, if they really want to...

-John

[megabyte405]

ssh -X still runs the program on the computer you SSH into. All you were doing was display the interface on the IT, in just a raw GTK form (no hildonization, so no stylus keyboard, no zoom, menu, fullscreen buttons, etc) Useful if you need it and have a BT keyboard, but not a great permanent solution for most. Certainly nothing stopping anyone from trying it, but IMHO it might be a better idea to join the AbiWord effort.

[T-unit]

Thanks I think I am starting to understand. I wonder if the Open Office Developers would consider developing a run down version of open office for the Maemo platform. kind of like Microsoft did for there mobile os.

[TobyK]

ssh -X still runs the program on the computer you SSH into. All you were doing was display the interface on the IT, in just a raw GTK form (no hildonization, so no stylus keyboard, no zoom, menu, fullscreen buttons, etc) Useful if you need it and have a BT keyboard, but not a great permanent solution for most. Certainly nothing stopping anyone from trying it, but IMHO it might be a better idea to join the AbiWord effort.

Yes I know, all I was saying is that the UI, when run on the N800, is still usable (because the previous post said that it would *never* work). Obviously, with Hildonization, it would be even better. I would still like to see Abiword running on the N800. I use Gnumeric and it runs well. For now though, I use Google Docs and ThinkFree seems to work well too, especially for viewing.