New Internet Tablet OS 2007 Update Out [Archive] - maemo.org

Gluz

03-23-2007, 10:10 AM

Yeah, seems like it! :D

Release notes

OS 2007 edition v. 3.2007.10-7 includes improvements and fixes in:

* Video and Flash performance and quality
* Bluetooth connection
* Browser stability
* Activating touch screen and keys lock

Also various stability fixes have been made.

EDIT: Info from here: http://europe.nokia.com/A4305010

Milhouse

03-23-2007, 10:49 AM

Firmware download link (http://maemo.org/downloads/nokia_N800.php?f=RX-34_2007SE_3.2007.10-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin).

This firmware has no SDHC support
Flash video is improved, but probably only to about 7 or 8 fps
Video (non-flash) seems to be improved - no tearing. Don't know if any new codecs are supported, my DiVX files are on SDHC cards...

It would be useful to have more detailed change logs, and to have the change log cross referenced with Bugzilla. Now we have to hunt down and re-test bugs which may or may not have been fixed. :(

Initial impression so far: Disappointed, but hopefully it's fixed some of the more embarassing bugs such as reboot loops, even though these didn't affect me.

Texrat

03-23-2007, 10:59 AM

go get it while it is piping hot @ the nokia site
:)

Told ya so. :p

fanoush

03-23-2007, 10:59 AM

What is kernel version?
cat /proc/version
What is initfs version?
cat /mnt/initfs/etc/initfs_version

Will take some time before I flash mine (tomorrow?).

Thanks.

TA-t3

03-23-2007, 11:02 AM

I'm up and running.. pleased to see that sources.list was backuped as well, I wasn't aware of that. Anyway I made several additional tar backups before I upgraded, presumably e.g. the maemo mapper maps have to be re-installed from backup, but so far settings etc. seems ok. I haven't flashed the unit before this.
I agree with Milhouse about the docu.. not much of a release note, compared to what's normal where I work.

Gluz

03-23-2007, 11:04 AM

Firmware download link (http://maemo.org/downloads/nokia_N800.php?f=RX-34_2007SE_3.2007.10-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin).

Video (non-flash) seems to be improved - no tearing. Don't know if any new codecs are supported, my DiVX files are on SDHC cards...

Seems to play my Heroes.S01E01.HDTV.XviD-LOL sample! Not very fast screen updates, but I belive codec is xvid.

Milhouse

03-23-2007, 11:08 AM

Drahnreb

03-23-2007, 11:10 AM

Now we will wait and see.

sondjata

03-23-2007, 11:16 AM

Note to NOKIA. Please please please. Let the download happen BEFORE we have to connect our devices. No reason at all to have to waste THE PRECIOUS (battery power) waiting on a download.

fanoush

03-23-2007, 11:16 AM

@fanoush

~ $ cat /proc/version
Linux version 2.6.18-omap1 (root@bifh.research.nokia.com) (gcc version 3.4.4 (release) (CodeSourcery ARM 2005q3-2)) #2 Wed Mar 7 15:36:09 EET 2007
~ $ cat /mnt/initfs/etc/initfs_version
osso-RX-34 2007-10 1

Thanks. This means most/all stuff using kernel modules should work (cifs, uinput in kbdd,..). Reflashing old SDHC kernel may probably work too (you may miss some bugfixes in kernel but maybe nothing critical), worth of trying if you can cope with reboot loop and reflashing kernel back. Bootmenu will not work until updated, but most likely it will be possible to dualboot between older and newer system.

Umm, on second thought, the updated video stuff is probably also in kernel so maybe older kernel is not good idea after all, it may break video player.

Milhouse

03-23-2007, 11:16 AM

I guess I'm just going to have to go and put a "Not fixed in 3.2007.10-7" comment against most of my N800 bugs as very few seem to have been addressed by this firmware. :(

Not quite the improvement I'd been hoping for, fingers crossed firmware 4 will be the one. Don't keep me waiting too long Nokia! ;)

DCr33P

03-23-2007, 11:31 AM

There is one thing I dont get. After flashing with new firmware, our devices will have factory settings, so EVERYTHING has to be done again. That will consume a few hours... One month, maybe two or three months later, the next firmware will be out, so again installing all stuff again? That is not very linux-like, rather it's windows-like. And all this makes the "booting from SD card" stuff I use completely useless, cause my backups will last only till the next update :(

sondjata

03-23-2007, 11:37 AM

And what's with these timeouts that then go back and pull the whole damn file again? Cmon this is BS!!

alvindd

03-23-2007, 11:37 AM

Note to NOKIA. Please please please. Let the download happen BEFORE we have to connect our devices. No reason at all to have to waste THE PRECIOUS (battery power) waiting on a download.

I used the Nokia N800 Internet Tablet Software Update Wizard
from the bottom of this page:http://www.nokiausa.com/support/phones/softwareupdate/1,8461,N800,00.html
and
OS 2007 edition v. 3.2007.10-7 from here http://maemo.org/downloads/nokia_N800.php?f=RX-34_2007SE_3.2007.10-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin
First downloaded the new software OS 2007 to my computer.
Then ran Wizard, when asked to download software from Internet, I declined- pointing to the already downloaded software.

Milhouse

03-23-2007, 11:37 AM

Milhouse said,
"Try "uname -v" at the command line, if the build date is after 1 Jan 2007 you most likely have an SDHC enabled kernel."
I did that today and got: #2 Wed Mar 7 15:36:09 EEt 2007
so does that mean we can use a SDHC card?

You're having a laugh... :p

I made that comment at a time when all non-SDHC firmware had 2006 build dates (ie. all Nokia official builds). It wasn't meant to mean that all firmwares with 2007 builds dates would support SDHC, just that at the time the only firmware with SDHC support had 2007 build dates.

Now that Nokia have today released a new firmware without SDHC support but with a 2007 build date, that extremely simplistic method for identifying SDHC support no longer applies.

It has also been stated earlier in this thread that the new firmware DOES NOT support SDHC. :(

Milhouse

03-23-2007, 11:42 AM

TA-t3

03-23-2007, 11:43 AM

For those of us who don't boot from SD it didn't take long to get up and running again. The standard backup (and it found the backup by itself and suggested to use it, after the flash upgrade) kept track of email and settings and stuff, and sources.list, so the only thing I had to to after the update was to re-pair the phone (it was already configured by the backup so it was only a question of inputting the pairing code the first time). My wi-fi settings, all there. I had to walk through the program manager listing and reinstall the apps, that was quick enough. But I didn't have to input the repository listing.
About the only stuff I had to re-install from my own tar backup was the maemo maps (as I don't keep them on the SD card), and some stuff I had put manually in /usr/local/bin (like gnu tar).
All in all, not much trouble. A matter of fifteen minutes total I would say, upgrade and all.

anidel

03-23-2007, 11:47 AM

There is also, along with the Camera application, the "mnotify" toolbar applet.
It is available from the Nokia repositories too.
It is very handy has it notifies you whether your Gmail account has got mail or not without the need to keep a browser open (and without the need to remember to go take a look at the Gmail web page).

Milhouse

03-23-2007, 11:51 AM

I'd actually say that unless you are experiencing a problem with the previous 2.2006.51-6 firmware or need specific video support, this new 3.2007.10-7 firmware isn't that big of a deal.

gnuite

03-23-2007, 12:01 PM

Well, if it fixes at least some of the random reboot problems, it's worth it. I never have these kinds of problems with my 770. Then again, my 770 isn't always searching for a WAP, so that could have something to do with it...

schmots

03-23-2007, 12:06 PM

will video's run longer with the new firmware.. i.e. not pausing after 20 minutes?

TA-t3

03-23-2007, 12:09 PM

That mnotify thing is quite good. I wish it could keep track of more than one account though (if it can, I haven't noticed). One strange thing is that if you're not online, but gets online automatically by e.g. starting the email app, mnotify doesn't seem to notice this until you tell it with the stylus.

One quite big disappointment with this upgrade is that the media player seems to be as poor on codecs as before, it still can't play anything from my standard collection. And the file manager still doesn't even recognise .mov files as media player files (those are from my digital camera).

Texrat

03-23-2007, 12:10 PM

I'd actually say that unless you are experiencing a problem with the previous 2.2006.51-6 firmware or need specific video support, this new 3.2007.10-7 firmware isn't that big of a deal.

I can't give out details, but in my opinion the bug fixes are worth it.

brendan

03-23-2007, 12:15 PM

texrat do you refer to a new hardware easter egg or possibly the ground work being laid for one?

TA-t3

03-23-2007, 12:17 PM

Some opera info from after the upgrade:
- Version 8.5 Internal
- Build 2.0.40

Maybe someone could check what it says for the pre-upgrade version? I didn't think of it.
Use just 'about:' as URL to get it.

brendan

03-23-2007, 12:22 PM

pre-update

version - 8.5 Internal
build - 2.0.37

schmots

03-23-2007, 12:22 PM

-version 8.5 internal
- build 2.0.37

sdrman

03-23-2007, 12:31 PM

Stuff I'm wondering about:
flash player version
usb host
vga video playback

I will be reflashing in a few hours, but I'm in class now :(

Drahnreb

03-23-2007, 12:39 PM

I can't give out details, but in my opinion the bug fixes are worth it.

Why not? Are you under NDA?:confused:

Bernhard

TA-t3

03-23-2007, 12:43 PM

Thanks guys. So it's actually a new build, although not a new version.. presumably it's just that the flash plugin has been updated. Or actually, no. I checked, the flash plugin is its own package: macromedia-flashplayer. apt-cache says it's version 1.20-1. Looking at the plugin itself it turns out that this is still flash 7:

$ grep About /usr/lib/browser/plugins/libflashplayer.so
About Macromedia Flash Player 7...

So hopefully we can expect more improvements to flash in later upgrades (version 9 is supposed to be faster, isn't it?).

Texrat

03-23-2007, 12:45 PM

texrat do you refer to a new hardware easter egg or possibly the ground work being laid for one?

No, just general bug fixes. Sorry I can't say more.

Why not? Are you under NDA?:confused:

Bernhard

In a manner of speaking, yes.

Drahnreb

03-23-2007, 12:46 PM

I hope not, that we are beta or even alpha-version testers ...

Drahnreb

03-23-2007, 12:49 PM

No, just general bug fixes. Sorry I can't say more.

In a manner of speaking, yes.

But that isn't Linux like behavior! I wish more openness from Nokia!!! :(

skane

03-23-2007, 01:04 PM

Has the new os update improved the "Network Problem" for anyone?

sondjata

03-23-2007, 01:09 PM

My Opera is screwy. Lost my side scrollbar. ;-(

DCr33P

03-23-2007, 01:14 PM

Media Player works great now! I only test my converted movies and they play very very smooth without tearing. before the update, there was tearing and it was laging quite a lot. Now it plays as smooth as on my desktop PC!
Does anyone of you manage do install becomeroot!? I can't f****** find it in the application manager. The repository from maemo.org was added, already, but there is no becomeroot :-S
It was there, before...

schmots

03-23-2007, 01:16 PM

If I remember correctly there isn't a package for becomeroot for the n800 you have to dl the deb from the site directly.. I don't remember the link off the top of my head but its on my blog somewhere.

Quick note... dual boot won't work with the new firmware yet!

Texrat

03-23-2007, 01:17 PM

But that isn't Linux like behavior! I wish more openness from Nokia!!! :(

Hang on there-- different people have different roles, eg, different responsibilities and levels of access. That translates into varying degress of revelation. Suffice to say my role in the grand scheme of things limits what I can reveal, but I try to help the community within those limits to the best of my ability.

There are others involved with these devices who may or may not be able to say more. If you have witnessed newsgroup dialogs, then you may have seen talk along these lines. I can say the possibility of more open dialog is increasing, at least in consideration.

And don't forget: we're not just talking about linux here-- we're also talking about a proprietary device bearing that mostly-open tool. Sometimes the need to protect the tablet interferes with the customary openness of the OS. That's a tricky area.

TA-t3

03-23-2007, 01:32 PM

If I remember correctly there isn't a package for becomeroot for the n800 you have to dl the deb from the site directly..

I use this repository (it's mistral but works fine for N800):

http://eko.one.pl mistral/user Packages

EDIT: Never mind that - there's an updated link for bora, see posting by authoritative poster on the next page.

DCr33P

03-23-2007, 01:39 PM

Now, I used this one: http://eko.one.pl/maemo/
I don't know why it is not in the original repo, anymore....

Texrat

03-23-2007, 01:46 PM

Well, crap.

I'm just now encountering internet browsing problems with the new OS. I can't get online using my phone or wifi now. I get the infamous "Network problem" error. Anyone else experiencing this? :(

heavyt

03-23-2007, 01:59 PM

Can take pictures now with the camera.

TA-t3

03-23-2007, 01:59 PM

@texrat:
I've been networking just fine so far, browsing, email, internet radio over wi-fi the last two hours. Went online with the phone just for a moment to test that it connected, but didn't actively use it.
EDIT: Phone connection worked ok too.

Nathan Turnage

03-23-2007, 02:04 PM

My Minimo and Ruby repositories are preventing Application list refreshes. Anyone else have the same problem?

Texrat

03-23-2007, 02:07 PM

My Minimo and Ruby repositories are preventing Application list refreshes. Anyone else have the same problem?

I didn't install those repositories, but I can't refresh either.

TA-t3

03-23-2007, 02:08 PM

The minimo repo didn't create any trouble for me. I updated and installed ok. So far I've only had to disable the mistral games repo I was using (for that bejewelled clone etc.), don't know where it went.

EDIT ADD: In any case, if it fails to update, try apt-get update in xterm. It should tell you what fails so that you can disable it in the program manager.

sondjata

03-23-2007, 02:11 PM

scroll bars back but it appears that the GPE Calendar summary applet is borked. Can't resize it.

cjackiewicz

03-23-2007, 02:11 PM

Now, I used this one: http://eko.one.pl/maemo/
I don't know why it is not in the original repo, anymore....

http://eko.one.pl/maemo bora user

Reggie

03-23-2007, 02:18 PM

Nokia just released a new update (v3.2007.10-7) to the Internet Tablet OS 2007 for Nokia N800 owners. The fix address four major areas:    Video and Flash performance and quality     Bluetooth connection     Browser stability     Activating touch screen and keys lockDownload the windows installer here, or download the .bin firmware directly here.Read the full article. (http://www.internettablettalk.com/2007/03/23/new-internet-tablet-os-2007-update-out/)

Nathan Turnage

03-23-2007, 02:22 PM

I can't find xterm. Is there an alternate repo?

Texrat

03-23-2007, 02:37 PM

Yeah, the bluetooth bug I submitted was fixed... but not being able to browse the internet or update the software list is a major showstopper... :mad:

schmots

03-23-2007, 02:41 PM

what bluetooth bug?

Texrat

03-23-2007, 02:43 PM

what bluetooth bug?

It was discussed here a while back. The settings via the new icon weren't pervasive, and the behavior was flaky. For instance, if bluetooth was off it is supposed to be turned on when you select a phone for internet access-- and it didn't always happen. Right now it appears my complaints were solved... I just have new ones...

EDIT: I can now browse the internet using my phone, and Application Manager can now refresh.

It appears that one or more installed apps interfered with the connection: rdesktop, VNC Viewer, or a vpn app custom designed for a certain company. I suspect the latter and will troubleshoot.

Milhouse

03-23-2007, 02:49 PM

No, just general bug fixes. Sorry I can't say more.

I don't understand why information is being withheld - the changelog should be more detailed, and should cross-reference with bugzilla where appropriate. We're raising bugs on behalf of Nokia, and Nokia isn't able or willing to tell us if these bugs are fixed or not - it's ridiculous.

If the changes and cross-reference information isn't available, that's simply poor project and defect management on Nokias part.

If Nokia believe there is a competitive advantage to be gained by witholding such information, they are wrong.

EDIT: Not having a go at Texrat, I appreciate you aren't in a position to divulge this info. This is a general flame at Nokia :)

Texrat

03-23-2007, 02:52 PM

I don't understand why information is being withheld - the changelog should be more detailed, and should cross-reference with bugzilla where appropriate. We're raising bugs on behalf of Nokia, and Nokia isn't able or willing to tell us if these bugs are fixed or not - it's ridiculous.

If the changes and cross-reference information isn't available, that's simply poor project and defect management on Nokias part.

If Nokia believe there is a competitive advantage to be gained by witholding such information, they are wrong.

Mil, anything I relate or don't relate is specific to ME, NOT indicative of the company as a whole. I can't speak for what the "main guys" do or don't do-- I also don't make assumptions on what I can release, either, without having very specific directions or reasons.

EDIT: lol, just saw YOUR edit. :p

Nathan Turnage

03-23-2007, 02:55 PM

Question: How do I go back to a default sources.list without xterm? It took me three days to find the dependencies for *VIM* (not xterm). They were contained in the Minimo installer, and now I cannot get Minimo up. Ugh.

EDIT: It appears that the Ruby and Minimo repos are down. Could be the firewall here at work. Found xterm, and that workd brilliantly.

mars

03-23-2007, 03:08 PM

In terms of media player:

Still doesn't play or recognize ogg files -- no surprise there.

Finally recognizes my xvid files and tries to play them -- but fails miserably. The xvid files are 320x240 with 128 cbr mp3 audio and were converted with 75% quality via autogk. They play beautifully on the sharp zaurus BTW.

Another complaint is that seeking (skipping through file) doesn't seem to work with video files that are otherwise playable.

brendan

03-23-2007, 03:15 PM

@ nathan

open the application manager -> menu -> tool -> application catalog...

you can then manually enter each repos details

Nathan Turnage

03-23-2007, 03:17 PM

I agree, the video update didn't seem to do much to solve the problems people were having. Perhaps if NOKIA would publish some specs of video that *will* play on the n800 we could all step up and test those settings (AVI, 3GP, DIVX, etc.?; 200kbps?, 700kbps?). I have a 4 year old Palm device that plays movies smoother than this.

SeRi@lDiE

03-23-2007, 03:18 PM

So is this a good update or bad update?
:)

Texrat

03-23-2007, 03:23 PM

So is this a good update or bad update?
:)

Seems to be both. ;)

SeRi@lDiE

03-23-2007, 03:33 PM

Mhhhhh I think I am going to wait for a bit and see....

Thanks for the info.

DCr33P

03-23-2007, 03:33 PM

Hmm... The performance of the media player ist much more better!
Before the update, mplayer was a lot smoother then media player, now media player works a lot smoother then mplayer(mplayer does not work in this release).
I tried a 512kbit 400x240 file, converted with MC. It has absolutely no tearing and very high framerate. Still no codecs, and still no VGA playback, but really usable.

I tested the speed of the SD card slot and there is no difference to the original firmware. I thought Nokia would improve SD/MMC speed, but they don't. Perhaps, next time...

howardcb

03-23-2007, 03:41 PM

Milhouse

03-23-2007, 03:52 PM

The settings via the new icon weren't pervasive, and the behavior was flaky. For instance, if bluetooth was off it is supposed to be turned on when you select a phone for internet access-- and it didn't always happen. Right now it appears my complaints were solved... I just have new ones...

Probably not the same Bluetooth bug, but the Bluetooth Status Bar icon still disappears if you turn Bluetooth off, meaning you have to dig into Control Panel to turn it back on. The icon shouldn't disappear if BT is turned off, the icon should appear gr[ea]yed out, or have a red line through it.

It's in bugzilla, so will be marked up as "Still broken" :)

Texrat

03-23-2007, 04:03 PM

Yeah, that was a separate bug, and I agree with you fully.

I also think the Connection icon should provide Add and Edit access-- I need to remember to submit that.

Texrat

03-23-2007, 04:04 PM

After updating, everything (maemo mapper, GAIM, xterm, GPE PIM) works OK, but the dialup networking to Verizon has been hosed (even after re-editing the /etc/ppp/options file). The slower dialup through my ISP works OK.
Howard

I really do think there are new application interference issues with this release. I'll provide updates on whatever I test.

thoughtfix

03-23-2007, 04:12 PM

I have found that after I put it into host mode I am able to plug in the AC adapter without any worries. You just need to make sure it's connected, in host mode, and ready to go before you plug it in.

I'll do a side-by-side video (before and after the upgrade on YouTube videos) after work tonight.

Milhouse

03-23-2007, 04:19 PM

Yeah, that was a separate bug, and I agree with you fully.

I also think the Connection icon should provide Add and Edit access-- I need to remember to submit that.

The Bluetooth and Connection icons should be combined, to be honest - two icons is a waste of space, and their functionality is very similar. Graphically representing the current connection state (eg. bluetooth + wifi) could be tricky but possible, given some imagination. :) There's a bug entry knocking around for this enhancement too...

pumo

03-23-2007, 04:30 PM

After updating, everything (maemo mapper, GAIM, xterm, GPE PIM) works OK,

from where did you install gaim ?
I tried from http://downloads.maemo.org/ gaim.install but it says wrong version.

Texrat

03-23-2007, 04:33 PM

The Bluetooth and Connection icons should be combined, to be honest - two icons is a waste of space, and their functionality is very similar. Graphically representing the current connection state (eg. bluetooth + wifi) could be tricky but possible, given some imagination. :) There's a bug entry knocking around for this enhancement too...

Eh, Mil, I dunno if I can go that far. Bluetooth has a broader scope than what's meant by the Connectivity icon-- in fact, what I'm thinking is that "Connectivity" is the wrong name for its function. The name should reflect the narrow purpose IMO: latching onto a network, as opposed to engaging a technology (bluetooth) that allows one to hook up with a plethora of devices. Maybe the name should be "Networking"...

howardcb

03-23-2007, 04:39 PM

from where did you install gaim ?
I tried from http://downloads.maemo.org/ gaim.install but it says wrong version.

I used the following repository:

http://maemo-hackers.org/apt
Distribution: mistral
Components: main

Howard

thoughtfix

03-23-2007, 04:57 PM

careful with that maemo-hackers repository. I found that if I "upgrade" xterm with that repository enabled, it breaks it. Is this still true?

mconnick

03-23-2007, 05:01 PM

It looks like the infamous "freeze after 20 minutes of video" bug is fixed in this OS update. I'm well past that point in a 95 minute video I'm watching using Media Player in full-screen mode.

Michael

sondjata

03-23-2007, 05:11 PM

Ahaaaaaa. It was gpe summary. Working now.

Milhouse

03-23-2007, 05:20 PM

Eh, Mil, I dunno if I can go that far. Bluetooth has a broader scope than what's meant by the Connectivity icon-- in fact, what I'm thinking is that "Connectivity" is the wrong name for its function. The name should reflect the narrow purpose IMO: latching onto a network, as opposed to engaging a technology (bluetooth) that allows one to hook up with a plethora of devices. Maybe the name should be "Networking"...

Possibly - I wouldn't support the combinging of the two functions if it weren't for the fact that space is at a premium on the status bar. Having two icons that cover roughly the same area of functionality (wireless network connectivity, albeit with two different implementations WiFi and Bluetooth) suggests they could be combined, though that doesn't of course mean they should be combined. :)

I think the existing enhancement request should at least focus attention on why there are two icons - it may be the right choice, it may not, or it may simply result in more appropriate terminology being used within each function in order to reinforce the distinction between the role of the two icons.

Having just checked, combining the icons is not an enhancement request in it's own right, it's merely a secondary request within bug #971 (https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=971). Bah! :)

Lithorus

03-23-2007, 05:27 PM

*sigh*, and I just re-flashed my n800 :)

howardcb

03-23-2007, 05:40 PM

careful with that maemo-hackers repository. I found that if I "upgrade" xterm with that repository enabled, it breaks it. Is this still true?

I don't know. I had to install the full xterm, and not an upgrade. Xterm is working fine.

Howard

=DC=

03-23-2007, 05:57 PM

What a mess. I'm almost glad Nokia hasn't updated Maemo 2.X for the 770 after reading all these poor people fumble through their N800 updates.

A case of history repeating itself I guess, and on a newer device at that. :(

NickF22

03-23-2007, 06:09 PM

I don't think the bluetooth and network icons should be combined - I (sometimes) use a bluetooth keyboard, and that's independent of whether I am connected to a wifi network.

I would like to see the bluetooth icon grey out when it's disabled though, rather than disppear completely.

And related to that, it would be nice if the icon bar at the top could grow if it had more icons in than normal - with the statusbarclock and the load-applet, it overflows to a drop down arrow. It should grow to the left (within reason)

pumo

03-23-2007, 06:12 PM

I used the following repository:

http://maemo-hackers.org/apt
Distribution: mistral
Components: main

Howard

stange, I allready had that, but with bora, no luck with gaim.
or not with mistral even...

NickF22

03-23-2007, 06:25 PM

heavyt

03-23-2007, 06:33 PM

Has anyone managed to get the camera app working? I've downloaded the camera.install file, but it doesn't seem to be able to find the package. It should be in the standard Nokia repo, but it's not there...

Yes I did. Installed it via application manager after I updated the manager. Found camera under "All" .

Texrat

03-23-2007, 06:45 PM

SeRi@lDiE

03-23-2007, 06:48 PM

I am still undiced it.... I am going to wait until fanoush release a working boot for the new kernel...

NickF22

03-23-2007, 07:01 PM

Yes I did. Installed it via application manager after I updated the manager. Found camera under "All" .

Hmm - I've refreshed App Mgr, rebooted, refreshed again, disabled all other repos except the official Nokia ones... still no joy! Any ideas?

DCr33P

03-23-2007, 07:09 PM

I installed the camera app, but not with the "clean" repositories, cause I backed up my sources.list via the backup manager. No problems installing it, but problems using it. If you have trouble installing it, just forget it, it's not worth loosing much time. I started the app, clicked on the "take photo" icon -> 1 Minute(!!) , a completely locked down device (by that time) and me praying to God(or Linux-God-Admin, whatever you call him) later and the picture was taken :D Then on the picture, I wasn't been able to distinguish whether this mysterious blotch is my nose or maybe my ear... maybe that was just my head? Nevertheless, my head is not that much undefined in realitiy ;)

heavyt

03-23-2007, 07:11 PM

Hmm - I've refreshed App Mgr, rebooted, refreshed again, disabled all other repos except the official Nokia ones... still no joy! Any ideas?
So you do not see camera listed under All?

NickF22

03-23-2007, 07:20 PM

So you do not see camera listed under All?
Eventually I did - but only after I re-enabled the non-Nokia repos, for some reason. Installed fine - but everything's very orange! It takes maybe 2-3 seconds to to take a photo - can't see much use except for quick blogging etc.

heavyt

03-23-2007, 07:28 PM

Eventually I did - but only after I re-enabled the non-Nokia repos, for some reason. Installed fine - but everything's very orange! It takes maybe 2-3 seconds to to take a photo - can't see much use except for quick blogging etc.
Yes need a lot of light. Took a shot in daylight looks ok.
I would call this beta. :)

Clay

03-23-2007, 07:55 PM

Keyser.Soze

03-23-2007, 08:04 PM

I updated to the new OS late last night and I found that the whole thing is more responsive. After resintalling some apps I saw most visible improvement in Gaim. Previously Gaim was unacceptably slow on my N800, so slow that inputing text would be causing severe delays. After the update I tried using MSN and Yahoo in Gaim and switching back and forth between Gaim and browser, RSS reader, etc. and it's A LOT faster. No delay in text input any more. For me Gaim is usable now!

DCr33P

03-23-2007, 08:19 PM

@Keyser.Soze:
then I am not the only one who is wondering if this little thing is running faster, now. For me, it "feels" a bit snappier with new firmware ...

Keyser.Soze

03-23-2007, 08:25 PM

@Keyser.Soze:
then I am not the only one who is wondering if this little thing is running faster, now. For me, it "feels" a bit snappier with new firmware ...

Actually I think your "a bit snappier" is a bit of an understatement. :)

DCr33P

03-23-2007, 08:37 PM

I am just cautious and not quite optimistic when it comes to programming and software :D

YoDude

03-23-2007, 09:23 PM

Snappier was my first impression too. It may be because of a fresh install though so time will tell... M/Mapper, for instance seemed to load much faster.

hemplacrosse4

03-23-2007, 09:42 PM

problem solved

DCr33P

03-23-2007, 09:44 PM

Hmmm....youtube is not that fast as I thought it is. My "Biber Brueder" series is not really enjoyable. MaYbe the guys just couldnt get out more of flash7.

pa28pilot

03-23-2007, 09:53 PM

one little bug...After the upgrade and new boot, it asked if I wanted to restore from a backup it found, I said "yes" and it sat for 15 minutes at the "restoring email messages" progress bar with 0%. I aborted it and it said it had restored over 1000 of 2000-odd files.

Someone needs to look at that progress bar. It's definitely not updating, though the device seems to be making progress.

jmk

03-23-2007, 10:23 PM

Email restoring works, but it takes time. After restroring program completes restoring emails it restores other settings etc much faster. Progress bar goes ~5% and then it started to restore others. Email restoring took minutes and everything else under minute or something like that.

I am suprised that mplayer_1.0rc1-maemo.11.800 works fine. Just add vo=xv to ~.mplayer/config file. Heroes episode 1 (761 kbps 624x352) plays flawlessy and i didnt see any tearing.

sondjata

03-23-2007, 11:08 PM

anyone been able to get mplayer to stream from UPNP servers?

luketoh

03-24-2007, 12:07 AM

When watching YouTube videos I noticed 2 issues with the new bios on n800:

1) seems to have a persistent clicking sound when playing videos

2) if playing flash, it seems slightly faster when i turn the flash quality to low...but otherwise, not much improvements

Luke

johsua

03-24-2007, 12:30 AM

So - when will the awesome person that wrote the SDHC kernel add-on, rewrite it for the new OS? SDHC card owners want to know... =)

BTW- I REALLY appreciate people's work that have made, and will continue to make, the 770/n800 an actual nice product.

zuti

03-24-2007, 12:31 AM

When watching YouTube videos I noticed 2 issues with the new bios on n800:

2) if playing flash, it seems slightly faster when i turn the flash quality to low...but otherwise, not much improvements

I almost feel like youtube videos played better with the old firmware and quality set to low. Now the few I tried got out of sync and felt generally slower on the low setting.

Dom Queron

03-24-2007, 12:44 AM

Canola can now play n770-encode.pl encoded xvid videos with the 'mplayer' quality setting mplayer => { abitrate => 128, vbitrate => 420, width => 400, height => 240, fps => 30 } without stuttering, tearing or any kind of jerkyness.

Seeking forward and backwards, toggling fullscreen, pausing, etc no longer causes second long hangs or dropping out of the movie player.

No more random stopping or loss of sych after 20 minutes either, just watched a full episode of 24 converted from DVD without a single hitch or hickup. Happy.

With the old firmware, that didn't work so well.

spice3d

03-24-2007, 01:28 AM

Canola seems to crash on podcasts now. MP3s play fine. (Yes, I've rebooted even taking battery out.) Anyone else have this issue?

luketoh

03-24-2007, 02:01 AM

Why doesn't Nokia explain what they did in this latest update? At least we can have a better idea of WHY some apps don't work properly...

Right now it's just a lot of guesswork...

Luke

d800

03-24-2007, 06:35 AM

It looks to me that the community created SDHC kernel cant appear until the corresponding maemo SDK is released. I wonder what the time scales are for the SDK release ?

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/20038
http://maemo.org/#date_23032007

Dave

DCr33P

03-24-2007, 08:10 AM

DoctorDan

03-24-2007, 08:46 AM

Before this latest firmware, pandora.com which uses Flash 7 loaded just fine and played streaming music. Now the flash app gets stuck trying to load. Any way to revert back to previous firmware?

Karel Jansens

03-24-2007, 09:03 AM

Tabster

03-24-2007, 09:59 AM

I like the new OS so far:
- interface seems to respond better
- scrolling long menus is faster
- it is easier to select text in the browser without panning
- can see YouTube videos
- Power + Lock touch screen and keys seems smoother
- scrolling seems easier in the RSS reader (it used to stutter for me)
- and there is the N800 video included rather than just the N93 :)

it feels like the "SP1" version :)

brendan

03-24-2007, 10:04 AM

it feels like the "SP1" version :)

you should have your pubic hair plucked one by one for that... whats next, patch tuesday requests?

j/k :eek: :p

heavyt

03-24-2007, 10:07 AM

I like the new OS so far:......

it feels like the "SP1" version :)

OH no not the "SP1", run Linux run! :D

In Maryland also. :)

geneven

03-24-2007, 10:24 AM

I see a BIG improvement in battery life. All the bugs mentioned are there, but I still see this as a substantially better system now. The new camera, though, froze me both times I used it -- the second time I had to remove the battery to reboot.

Why is there an easy way to check Gmail and not other web mail such as Yahoo Mail? My Yahoo address is so old I want to keep it.

DCr33P

03-24-2007, 10:27 AM

Kind of a big paradoxon and really nasty abuse in just one sentence ;)
How much did Billy payed you for this? :D

Tabster

03-24-2007, 10:59 AM

you should have your pubic hair plucked one by one for that... whats next, patch tuesday requests?

j/k :eek: :p

OH no not the "SP1", run Linux run! :D

In Maryland also. :)

Kind of a big paradoxon and really nasty abuse in just one sentence ;)
How much did Billy payed you for this? :D

tee hee. OK, maybe not the best phrase! Just an old Windows/DOS guy here making my way in the world!
But it does feel like this is the version that should have been released originally :)

DCr33P

03-24-2007, 11:10 AM

Heh, I am waiting for many years for M$ to release their final OS ;)

serkanh76

03-24-2007, 11:51 AM

wow!! it's a mess!! flash is all over the place, there is a huge sync problem. I was at least listening youtube videos but now it's horrible. I couldnt even stand to watch it. And also I can't install gaim it's giving me the msn plugin error. Any advise?

sondjata

03-24-2007, 12:07 PM

Yeah, I saw the same problem with youtube videos. Horribly out of sync. Reminds me of the old QuickTime MJPEG audio drifts but worse!

DCr33P

03-24-2007, 12:39 PM

I hope that it is a bug which ran into the new firmware in the last minute.
<frustration>
<anger>Aaaargh!!!</anger>
<irony> Juhu! Next week, Nokia is gonna present a new firmware with fixed flash playback. By the end of the year, we'll be masters of "How many applications can you install in just 60 Minutes!?" I bet, we're going to beat EVERY single Microsoft user on the whole wide world! WoW, I get a brilliant idea! Why installing apps? It's much more effective to use just the base-system, so everytime we do an upgrade(translated to Nokia philosophie: 70% Upgrade, 30% Downgrade -> Mixgrade) we don't need to do anything!!! Isn't that very very consumer friendly? Nokia is so so so pleasant ;)
</irony>
</frustration>

fldude99

03-24-2007, 12:53 PM

This update worked fine..a word to the wise tho..BACKUP!! I neglected to backup and all my applications were gone when I started it..o well..half the stuff i didn't use anyway. Have to re-input all the repositories..mapper..all that..sux

gnuite

03-24-2007, 12:58 PM

There is another "funny" thing which catch my eyes. Now, the "softpoweroff" mode works a little bit different. I changed a line in the /etc/mce/mce.ini file and the when I press the powerbutton long enough the device powers off the screen and blocks all the keys. Compared to pre-10.7 time, I hear a "click" when I press buttons or tap the screen. Actually I can confirm that nowthing is beeing changed "in the background", just the tapping sounds.
It doesn't make sence, because everytime I tap the screen and press a button in "softpoweroff mode" the CPU has to do something (playing a "click" sound) and probably gets out of it's powersaving cycles.
I can't confirm this. I flashed the new firmware this morning, and I edited /etc/mce/mce.ini as well (and also /etc/systemui/systemui.xml), and in softpoweroff mode, taps on the screen do nothing, and hardware button presses do nothing, except for the power button, which emits the button-press sound if you just tap it (as opposed to holding it down, which turns the N800 back on).

DCr33P

03-24-2007, 01:48 PM

@fldude99:
I did a backup with the nokia backup/restore tool and restored it successfuly, I also did a backup (rather complete clone) of my system on SD. All that saves about 20 Minutes of time, not that much compared to the whole work. One good thing is that I have my /etc backed up. I can't have done more backup-things, still it a lot of time.

@gnuite:
It's good to hear, because then it's not a bug in the new firmware.
But after flashing, both of us had nearly identical systems... so why? :-S

=DC=

03-24-2007, 02:20 PM

Guess that settles it, I'm waiting until YouTube "works" on the N800, or until Nokia releases a new Internet Tablet that can truly live up to it's hype.

zire

03-24-2007, 02:46 PM

:eek: My canola podcast player is crashing after installing the latest OS update !!

howardcb

03-24-2007, 03:38 PM

There have been mixed results to the OS upgrade, so it's probably worth listing what we installed, and if we have trouble. I have the following software:

maemomapper
gaim (AOL protocol)
xterm
becomeroot
gpe calendar, contacts, todo
gpe summary
statusbarclock
fmradio

All this worked before the upgrade, and it works now. The backup restored my repository list, so the re-installation wasn't to bad. I used the windows software.

Youtube is much better (but still needs work), and I can now watch movies using media player. I hope this helps someone.

Howard

NokNok770

03-24-2007, 04:03 PM

Clay

03-24-2007, 06:35 PM

Before this latest firmware, pandora.com which uses Flash 7 loaded just fine and played streaming music. Now the flash app gets stuck trying to load. Any way to revert back to previous firmware?

Pandora still works fine for me with the update. Still takes forever to start up -- still silences the audio when the screen blanks, but that's how it was before the update.

anidel

03-24-2007, 07:38 PM

After updating OS to my n800, and reinstalling some apps. My internet connection will not disconnect, I cannot put it offline when I want to. I have to turn off my tablet. Has anyone experience this. I don't know what is doing this.

This very same issue happened to me too. I did a reboot and now it is working fine.
The provided Mail application was also stuck sending an e-mail (wrong configuration), but I could not close the message window at all. I had to reboot and since then everything seems to work fine.

Clay

03-24-2007, 07:50 PM

There is another "funny" thing which catch my eyes. Now, the "softpoweroff" mode works a little bit different. I changed a line in the /etc/mce/mce.ini file and the when I press the powerbutton long enough the device powers off the screen and blocks all the keys. Compared to pre-10.7 time, I hear a "click" when I press buttons or tap the screen. Actually I can confirm that nowthing is beeing changed "in the background", just the tapping sounds.
It doesn't make sence, because everytime I tap the screen and press a button in "softpoweroff mode" the CPU has to do something (playing a "click" sound) and probably gets out of it's powersaving cycles.

It's worse than that for me. With the new release, when in 'softpoweroff' mode, the clicks represent something actually happening. If I softpoweroff [I added it to the menu], and then tap randomly on the screen, and then resume normal mode, I find applications open that were not open when I powered off. With this release, it almost looks like the default 'lock screen and keys' is now a better alternative to 'softpoweroff'. [and they did say something about 'fixing' activating touch screen and keys lock...]

NokNok770

03-24-2007, 09:39 PM

This very same issue happened to me too. I did a reboot and now it is working fine.
The provided Mail application was also stuck sending an e-mail (wrong configuration), but I could not close the message window at all. I had to reboot and since then everything seems to work fine.

Yes a reboot solves the problem, but it happens constantly now which causes me to shut down completety. Before I hardly ever had to shut my N800.

Tabster

03-24-2007, 10:03 PM

one thing I have noticed with using Lock Screen and Keys is that the Auto-Away setting in the Presence Settings is now ignored. i.e. if I have it set to 10 minutes and lock my n800 then the presence setting is never changed to "Away". Just letting the screen dim allows my status to go to "Away".

I am pretty sure that locking it before still allowed the auto-away setting to work.

This is probably due to the better power saving mode that has been added?

Milhouse

03-25-2007, 12:14 AM

Yes a reboot solves the problem, but it happens constantly now which causes me to shut down completety. Before I hardly ever had to shut my N800.

Anything in dmesg which might shed some light on the problem?

Perhaps a reflash of the latest firmware is in order. If that doesn't help, you should probably file a bug in Bugzilla and revert to 2.2006.51-6. :(

Milhouse

03-25-2007, 12:22 AM

I hate to say it, but the QA/QC on Nokia firmware is not impressive and this latest firmware appears to be maintaining the reputation.

Closed or open Betas would really catch a lot of these minor and not so minor annoyances, and would go a long way to improving the final builds, possibly even freeing up Nokia resources to get on with other matters.

I'd help out if Nokia made these Betas available (and I don't mean the sort of Beta we had with the first OS 2006 release, which was a waste of time - no feedback made it's way into the final build). Heck, I'd even sign an NDA. However Nokia would need to pay attention to Bugzilla, even creating a seperate Beta-specific Bugzilla, and it's this procedural overhead that is most likely the biggest issue for Nokia.

SeRi@lDiE

03-25-2007, 01:11 AM

This firmware release is a mess I am going to stick with my old firmware until another firmware comes out...

sungrove

03-25-2007, 02:22 AM

:o This firmware release is a mess I am going to stick with my old firmware until another firmware comes out...

I would have to whole heartedly agree with the above after reading all the posts in this thread. I'm sorry, but it sounds like the new OS needs to be returned to sender. I do have a few annoying bugs with my n800, but I'm beginning to conclude that 'if it's not too broke, don't try to fix it'.

Neil
Seattle

geneven

03-25-2007, 02:43 AM

This is a huge improvement over the earlier version. I would never go back.

SeRi@lDiE

03-25-2007, 02:56 AM

This is a huge improvement over the earlier version. I would never go back.

So you gain one thing and lose half of the OS capablities?!?
No Thank You!

A lot of the people is reporting wireless issues and what not... I dont see how is a hughe improvment.. Just read thru this thread and the others and you will se what I mean... Even problems with application manager and the repositories...
Belive me I am not one to complain... But... This firmware was not ready.

geneven

03-25-2007, 03:38 AM

What one thing did I gain? My whole system is faster and seems more stable. Media operations work better. Battery life is noticeably better. I have installed a lot of programs with few glitches. The main complaint I would have is that not enough of the stuff promised has been fixed yet -- still no Skype, video is still not that good.

I had to reflash the version you are sticking loyally to five times, twice in one weekend. I don't have the feeling that is going to happen with this version. I could be wrong, but so far so great.

dcarter

03-25-2007, 04:02 AM

OK....Since the latest OS2007 upgrade,
My nokia has louder volume, a brighter screen, is faster all around, will not run horizon at all, and seems to conserve its battery a good bit more.

It reminds me of about a year ago when the 2nd or 3rd update to OS2005 came out. Suddenly, without any obvious functional upgrade, the entire machine just work(ed) a whole lot faster and better.

I have had no App manager errors, no Wifi problems, nothing bad except that when you extend the side camera (which automatically opens google talk video) and immediately open the photo application, you're asking for a meltdown.

dcarter

SeRi@lDiE

03-25-2007, 04:07 AM

You gain Video performace... Look I am not going to make an argument about this and I am not been "loyal" to any firmware There is only a few people stating "positive" statements about the new firmware...
- > + = You do the math..
Thats funny I had never had to reflash my device...
Maybe User Error?
hehehehe ;)
cya...

SeRi@lDiE

03-25-2007, 04:18 AM

Riddler

03-25-2007, 04:41 AM

Just to add my 2c:

1. Flashed with Bleb's GUI front end to the OS X 770 flasher (on an intel Mac)
2. YouTube is now almost watch-able.
3. Media Player video play back is now much improved. Re-encoded an episode of Prison Break to 400x240 600kbps and it was flawless.
4. I never changed the default power saving settings, now "Lock Touch screen and keys" blacks the screen and only responds to the power button (this is how I thought it should work)

Still, no SDHC which means I still ain't buying a flash card :(

euchreprof

03-25-2007, 05:43 AM

It took me less than 1 minute to actually install the "RX-34_2007SE_3.2007.10-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin" file on my Nokia N800 because I downloaded it first... THEN installed it (I didn't want to be disconnected from the internet for some odd reason and thus mess up my Nokia N800). I couldn't be happier (except it took me an hour to install everything again and another hour to test everything out again) and everything works perfect and many many improvements have been added. I am surprised to see so many having problems. I am always very nervous cuz I know one of these upgrades I may be in for some major trouble cuz you all have me so scared to touch this thing after reading everyone's problems.

bchuertas

03-25-2007, 07:44 AM

Well, I do have two 8GB SDHC cards on the N800; so until a SDK is released, that will give us the posibility to patch the new kernel version with SDHC support (or build in SDHC support from Nokia will be nice too) and also add SDHC boot (that improves overall system performance), I'm sticking with my current version.

Sure Mediaplayer is not great, but you do have Mplayer that plays way more formats and it's overall performance is very good (specially on the very last version from the 22nd March). Youtube might not be usable, but I've got used to download a converted version using Videodownloader or similar.

Little things like the camera app are also available for the old version.

And anyway there is no improvement that matches having 16GB of Video, MP3, Photos, Maps and other data on the N800. So I'm definitely waiting a bit more.

perkata

03-25-2007, 08:24 AM

I find little to complain about in what was actually accomplished for the new release. Bluetooth now works properly with my Think Outside keyboard, video is better but I don't use that feature much. In general the machine seems more responsive and apps install better.

I do wish Nokia would quickly release the new SDK for 2007 so that SDHC will be supported again but, since they never promised SDHC functionality in this release the fact that it is not there cannot be held against them.

heavyt

03-25-2007, 08:39 AM

l've upgraded and as of now no problems. Wifi , camera, etc all working. I would like to have seen what bugs Nokia tried to fix with this upgrade. Nokia if you want this community to help in making N800 a success than you better learn how to communicate, that is the business you are in COMMUNICATION.

gnuite

03-25-2007, 11:36 AM

4. I never changed the default power saving settings, now "Lock Touch screen and keys" blacks the screen and only responds to the power button (this is how I thought it should work)
This is good. I just tested this, and now "Lock touch screen and keys" seems to do the exact same thing as "Soft poweroff", except the mechanism to re-awaken the N800 is different (power switch then enter, vs. hold down power button).

Does anybody know if there is any other difference between the two?

Clay

03-25-2007, 12:02 PM

This is good. I just tested this, and now "Lock touch screen and keys" seems to do the exact same thing as "Soft poweroff", except the mechanism to re-awaken the N800 is different (power switch then enter, vs. hold down power button).

Does anybody know if there is any other difference between the two?

As far as I can tell, 'softpoweroff' no longer works properly. For me, it leaves the touch-screen alive and taking input [though blacked-out]. [Someone else reported it only allows tap sounds active in the new release -- but for me, it actually allows applications to be launched.]

The 'new' default 'lock touch screen and keys' does seem to do the same thing soft poweroff did BEFORE the upgrade, with the exception of the wake-up sequence -- exactly as you note. As a result, I have taken the 'softpoweroff' option back out of my power menu.

Karel Jansens

03-25-2007, 12:28 PM

As far as I can tell, 'softpoweroff' no longer works properly. For me, it leaves the touch-screen alive and taking input [though blacked-out]. [Someone else reported it only allows tap sounds active in the new release -- but for me, it actually allows applications to be launched.]

The 'new' default 'lock touch screen and keys' does seem to do the same thing soft poweroff did BEFORE the upgrade, with the exception of the wake-up sequence -- exactly as you note. As a result, I have taken the 'softpoweroff' option back out of my power menu.

If "lock screen and keys" now works as "softpoweroff" before, why not bind "lock screen and keys" to "longpowerkeypress" in /etc/mce/mce.ini and we're back to where we were before?

Mika73

03-25-2007, 01:11 PM

heavyt

03-25-2007, 01:16 PM

Maybe I should skip this and wait version that has Skype. Its not nice install everything again..

If i understand correct, I need to set up every setting, email servers etc after upgrade.

It sure would be fun if N800 would run faster.

:)
I wonder if an OS update will be needed in order to install Skype.

Gluz

03-25-2007, 01:25 PM

Maybe I should skip this and wait version that has Skype. Its not nice install everything again..

If i understand correct, I need to set up every setting, email servers etc after upgrade.

It sure would be fun if N800 would run faster.

:)

If you make a backup before updating, all settings will be copied during update process and everything went fine when I updated.

Seb Per

03-25-2007, 02:08 PM

If you make a backup before updating, all settings will be copied during update process and everything went fine when I updated.

For me too, and I can easily qualify as a -almost- newbie. It was simple, clear, and even at the end of updating the system noticed a back up in the SD card and asked me if I d like to back up... that was nice!

Also, the system appears to be really ...how could I say... crisper? swifter?

SeRi@lDiE

03-25-2007, 02:47 PM

I just gambled and rolled the dice... I hope I am one of those lucky ones :)

SeRi@lDiE

03-25-2007, 02:57 PM

Ok reporting back... The only thing so far is that my browser has no side bar so I have to hold the page to scroll up and down.....

EDIT:
Dual boot working fine so far Thanks fanoush!

Mara

03-25-2007, 03:00 PM

It looks like this firmware fixed an issue I had with one of my 4GB SD cards! With older firmware the card data always got corrupted after a (short) while, but now since the upgrade it has been working great since. (The corruption happened with the modified SDHC kernel too.)

Other than that the upgrade was pretty painless: Mainly because now the backup can restore even the repositories, which before took most of the time to find url's and type in...

Also in general the N800 feels "snappier" than before.

All in all I'm happy! :D

joeo

03-25-2007, 03:03 PM

Hi,

After the OS upgrade, "Knips" (camera app) runs extremely slow. Still takes pics.

Thank you!

maxilogan

03-25-2007, 03:03 PM

JayMontano

03-25-2007, 03:26 PM

Updated this morning.

Everything's ok, although I can't really say that flash has improved. Viewing youtube videos now is even more difficult as videos will not load past 10 seconds. And pausing and resuming after full load does not work either.

Really pleased about the immeadiate lock. Also with the gmail notifier and camera app.

NokNok770

03-25-2007, 03:34 PM

To be fair I thought I'd clarify something. When I upgrade the OS I did have a problem with the WiFi not disconnecting, or put offline when I want it to, which I did not have before that. It would not respond at all until I just shut off the machine. In the process of checking what could have caused this, I uninstalled OMWeather. I'm not saying OMWeather caused it, but after that, I have not have a problem disconnecting the WiFi. I wonder if the upgrade break any existing software out there. Anyway...it's back to normal for now.

SeRi@lDiE

03-25-2007, 03:39 PM

Does any body have a fix to the browser issue?

sungrove

03-25-2007, 04:47 PM

I don't know how pissed I can really be about how assinine the update process is because so far mostly this thing is a toy. In the future Nokia better make it easier or I'm not buying. Yes, I've done some searching about how to back up. I've investigated the backup process on the Nokia. But really?! The back up utility doesn't back up applications?! So my choices are
1. Do the basic backup the device offers up and then do the probably simple backup using my xp computer. And then have to go download all the extra programs I have downloaded and now use like the calender ( and have to rewrite all the content in the calender)
2. or I could learn how to hack linux. NOT! Even if you tell me what to do I won't understand it because I won't know what you mean.
So right now even if I wanted to install this new firmware, it wouldn't be worth the hassle and risks involved.

just my 4 cents :mad:

Neil
Seattle

SeRi@lDiE

03-25-2007, 05:12 PM

Found a fix for my issue...

Clay

03-25-2007, 05:57 PM

If "lock screen and keys" now works as "softpoweroff" before, why not bind "lock screen and keys" to "longpowerkeypress" in /etc/mce/mce.ini and we're back to where we were before?

It thought that's what I said I did...

But foolishly, I thought someone might be interested in the new behavior of softpoweroff.

Milhouse

03-25-2007, 05:58 PM

I don't know how pissed I can really be about how assinine the update process is because so far mostly this thing is a toy. In the future Nokia better make it easier or I'm not buying. Yes, I've done some searching about how to back up. I've investigated the backup process on the Nokia. But really?! The back up utility doesn't back up applications?!

I'm not sure why people are so upset/surprised by this behaviour - you're reflashing the entire root filesystem and this is no different to upgrading a Windows Mobile device.

Backing up the applications prior to the upgrade wouldn't guarantee the apps could be restored on the new version of the OS - there are a lot of dependencies which may not be satisfied by the new OS, and the best option is to reinstall from scratch.

Nokia are however working on allowing you to upgrade the OS without wiping applications, but reflashing from a firmware image will almost always wipe the device, which is actually a good thing in some cases!

One relatively easy option to make upgrading less painless is to create a web page containing one-click install files for all of your installed applications, I was able to reinstall all my applications within a few minutes using this method.

Clay

03-25-2007, 05:59 PM

Hi,

After the OS upgrade, "Knips" (camera app) runs extremely slow. Still takes pics.

Thank you!

Have you tried the new 'official' camera app?

sungrove

03-25-2007, 08:46 PM

I
Nokia are however working on allowing you to upgrade the OS without wiping applications, but One relatively easy option to make upgrading less painless is to create a web page containing one-click install files for all of your installed applications, I was able to reinstall all my applications within a few minutes using this method.

Thanks for the encouragement Millhouse! The upgrade actuallly turned out to be rather painless and even sort of fun. I now think it was worth it just to gain a camera to email photos quite easily. It did wipe out all my downloaded software , but the restore utility did things like fill out my calender and contacts book once I downloaded those again.Impressive!

Neil
Seattle

Grue237

03-25-2007, 11:38 PM

PDF Reader seems snappier after the upgrade.

waddell

03-26-2007, 01:18 AM

The new OS/firmware seems better to me in most of the ways already described by others. With a backup and restore, the whole process took about 1/2 hour -- mostly because the "claws" mail program had to be reconfigured from scratch.Upgrades of my old palm lifedrive were so much more painful.

With the previous os, my N800 had to be reflashed three times due to the perpetual reboot problem, so
maybe I'm just really good at reinstalling. I do keep copies of all my application
packages on one of my SD cards to make the process go faster.

So far, I haven't noticed any negative changes, but even though I use my N800 a lot, I really only use a few of its capabilities. ( rss feed reader, opera, mediaplayer, pdf viewer, gizmoproject and claws ) Perhaps this is why I don't have anything negative to say about the upgrade.

I know this is really minor, but I really appreciate the change in the RSS readers icon since now it's easier to distinquish from the file browser, etc...

neiljerram

03-26-2007, 04:22 AM

For what it's worth, I was impressed by how smooth the upgrading was.

Backup - download flasher and firmware from Maemo - flash - restore - done.

So far, the only place I've found where settings appear to have been lost is GAIM. Everything else seems to carry on seamlessly from where it was before.

Video is improved, as advertised, i.e. no (or at least much reduced) tearing. I haven't yet tried playing a video for longer than about 10 minutes, though, to see if that now works.

The camera app is nice - although I wish they would have made the Select button take the picture, as well as the touch screen button.

I didn't much change in snappiness, but I thought it was snappy before the upgrade anyway.

- Neil

TA-t3

03-26-2007, 07:18 AM

So far the upgrade has been only positive for me. If you do the backup first then the upgrade is very easy. About the only thing I had to do manually after the upgrade was to re-edit the .opera/input.ini file to get the page up/down button functionality I prefer.
There used to be some automatic reboots in the past (although only while idle), we'll see about that I guess. So far 'uptime' reports 2.5 days up.

joeo

03-26-2007, 08:20 AM

Hi Clay,

Have you tried the new 'official' camera app?

Thank you for the info. The camera app works.

fldude99

03-26-2007, 08:42 AM

I find that the camera app barely works..very slow and just not responsive at all..anyboday else find that?

DCr33P

03-26-2007, 09:08 AM

dito(....)

Texrat

03-26-2007, 09:25 AM

Overall, looks like a mixed bag of results. At first I thought I could recommend the upgrade due to the bug fixes and performance tweaks but now I can't due to the issues I already reported.

It's great that some owners are experiencing little or no problems... but not good at all that others (like myself) are. Makes me wish I was in formal software QA...

It's really distressing because I am training several new users this week and wanted to use the new OS. Cripes.

Milhouse

03-26-2007, 09:30 AM

I find that the camera app barely works..very slow and just not responsive at all..anyboday else find that?

Same here - unusable.

Quite often the OS will offer to close the Camera app as it's no longer responding. The Camera app manages to max out the CPU for some reason, possibly because it's buffering the image but at 5fps (and frquently much, much less) it's almost impossible to frame a shot. The lag between pressing the shutter button and the camera taking a picture means you always lose the shot. Also, the application quite often refuses to save a picture to SD card.

I would say it's a waste of time but others have obviously had some success, so I won't. :)

Milhouse

03-26-2007, 09:37 AM

Overall, looks like a mixed bag of results. At first I thought I could recommend the upgrade due to the bug fixes and performance tweaks but now I can't due to the issues I already reported.

I'd agree - my opinion is that if you're not experiencing any problems with the current 2.2006.51-6/7 firmware, it probably isn't worth upgrading to 3.2007.10-7. While the video is a better and the lock screen works as it should, Flash is still unwatchable - other than that I don't see any great improvements, just new problems.

It's great that some owners are experiencing little or no problems... but not good at all that others (like myself) are. Makes me wish I was in formal software QA...

I wish you were there too! :) I also wish Nokia would consider a public Beta in future, with the ability for users to provide feedback prior to a final build release. It would go a long way to improving firmware quality.

heavyt

03-26-2007, 10:32 AM

Same here - unusable.

Quite often the OS will offer to close the Camera app as it's no longer responding. The Camera app manages to max out the CPU for some reason, possibly because it's buffering the image but at 5fps (and frquently much, much less) it's almost impossible to frame a shot. The lag between pressing the shutter button and the camera taking a picture means you always lose the shot.

I found there is no lag time in the shutter. Try pressing the shutter button and then move the camera, you will notice that the picture you framed will be capture not the picture in the frame when you hear the "shutter click". I am not defending this beta program. :rolleyes:

heavyt

03-26-2007, 11:11 AM

I'd agree - my opinion is that if you're not experiencing any problems with the current 2.2006.51-6/7 firmware, it probably isn't worth upgrading to 3.2007.10-7. While the video is a better and the lock screen works as it should, Flash is still unwatchable - other than that I don't see any great improvements, just new problems.

I wish you were there too! :) I also wish Nokia would consider a public Beta in future, with the ability for users to provide feedback prior to a final build release. It would go a long way to improving firmware quality.

It sounds like there are a lot of somewhat to completely disappointed users here, am in the former group. How can we as a group get this message to Nokia and request a formal reply besides venting here on the forum with hopes Nokia is reading it?

What about drawing up a formal letter/petition listing the most troubling problems with positive suggestions? I would love to write it but as you can tell I did not get A's in composition. What I would like to see in the letter/petition is N800 team release betas and/or request feedback.

Food for thought.

frethop

03-26-2007, 11:55 AM

I can freeze the unit with the new OS. Just start OMWeather and try to update. The whole unit freeze up.

Anyone else have problems like this.

-F

luketoh

03-26-2007, 12:48 PM

Nope, no problem with om-weather and refreshing

Tabster

03-26-2007, 01:28 PM

OMWeather is also fine for me.

NokNok770

03-26-2007, 01:32 PM

I can freeze the unit with the new OS. Just start OMWeather and try to update. The whole unit freeze up.

Anyone else have problems like this.

-F

When I had omweather, my n800 wouldn't disconnect from wifi unless I shutdown.

CliffOn

03-26-2007, 01:33 PM

I'd agree - my opinion is that if you're not experiencing any problems with the current 2.2006.51-6/7 firmware, it probably isn't worth upgrading to 3.2007.10-7. While the video is a better and the lock screen works as it should, Flash is still unwatchable - other than that I don't see any great improvements, just new problems.

I wish you were there too! :) I also wish Nokia would consider a public Beta in future, with the ability for users to provide feedback prior to a final build release. It would go a long way to improving firmware quality.

Agreed, and having reverted to 51-6 via built system on SD card, excepting the new kernel, no reportable and/or repeatable issues with that configuration.

Also agree that public beta would serve well, however, I get the impression that there was no internal test by testers isolated from the code worked on and that should be done prior to even serving it to us to beta.

Cliff

Mika73

03-26-2007, 01:35 PM

I did also update. Whole unit feels faster and responce better.

OMWeather did stop working. It doesnt update at all.

Just gives window that says something like.. Weather could not be updated.

Also noticed that my internet radio application doesnt play very long.. It play radio some time and then giver error like.. Operation could not be done..

OS is finnish language so those translates are what they are..

DryLand404

03-26-2007, 01:37 PM

The freezing, and in my case (stuck in reboot loop) may depend on if data can be being gathered and if it is all valid.
I was using CapeCoral Florida as the weather site and one day started getting no data for future days. (4 days out, and then 4 and 3 days out, and then 4 & 3 & 2 days out) When the days that had weather data passed, It was reboot city until I did a boot in R&D mode and cleared the flags.
I dont know if weather app uses a central weather data repository or gets it direct from a participating weather station.
It would also be cool it if could get Weather Bouy data.
http://ndbc.noaa.gov/maps/Florida.shtml

Mika73

03-26-2007, 01:57 PM

I think that there should be new update for Weather application soon.. Reade something like that when visited that application internetpage last time. Well.. I did uninstall this one, course it didnt work.

By the way.. Is there new update of Canola and how it works with new OS update?

sondjata

03-26-2007, 02:02 PM

Ommweather works here!

Milhouse

03-26-2007, 02:34 PM

Canola Beta2 (the most recent release) works just fine with 3.2007.10-7.

Mika73

03-26-2007, 02:37 PM

Canola Beta2 (the most recent release) works just fine with 3.2007.10-7.

Has there been any talk when final version might come out?

Mika73

03-26-2007, 02:43 PM

With this OS update video should work better?

Even N800 video that come with update didnt run ok..

alexjlee

03-26-2007, 03:11 PM

i am enjoying the new firmware.

* most important: The unit no longer does infinite reboots when i am out and about. with lots of rss feeds i was getting this at least once a week.
now i no longer have to reflash weekly.

* video now works. previously it was useless as a movieplayer.

* apps respond better.

* lock screen works without having to hack it.

* webpages are faster throughout.

please, stop whining about 'bugs' that are really just personal feature requests. the important issues are stability and response times. these seem to have been addressed.
I would rather have the update released than a half working new feature.

ioan

03-26-2007, 03:35 PM

anyone tried if the bluetooth headphones work with the new OS?

thanks,
-ioan

JayMontano

03-26-2007, 03:47 PM

A lot of you guys are saying that the video 'works'.

What do you all mean by that?

What settings are you all using when converting a video to play in the standard player? I cannot seem to find one that plays.

alexjlee

03-26-2007, 04:00 PM

video works : previously if you took a supposedly compatible video, it would begin playing, but hang after 10minutes or so. now it will continue to play smoothly. I think that expecting the device to play any video you care to try is asking too much. It plays small regular divx files well (say upto around 800kbps, at a reasonable resolution). I do think it would be better if nokia were clear about the filetypes supported.

bluetooth stereo headphones: no change, still don't work

roberc567

03-26-2007, 04:01 PM

geneven:

Could you provide more info on your report of improved battery life, like:

- your usage situation (playing videos, web surfing, standby-only mode)

- battery life in hours before and after this update

Thanks.

JayMontano

03-26-2007, 04:04 PM

Mika73

03-26-2007, 04:32 PM

My batteryicon at desktop still wont work.

It works fist after boot, but later it wont respond/open information window anymore.

alexjlee

03-26-2007, 04:33 PM

If they state it plays a certain file extension, I would have hoped it could actually do that.

that's the problem. An avi file is not a video format, it is just a container for some other video format. 'fully supporting avi' is practically impossible.

I wish they would make it clear that the n800 supports 'basic mp4, eg: divx style' in 'avi containers'. Most other avi formats are not supported.

I think that if a clear description and example conversion tools were offered then people would not be dissapointed (and frustrated) with the video support.

Mika73

03-26-2007, 04:40 PM

Noticed new problem..

RSS window at desktop wont update.. It should update every 30min..

Last update was 9PM.. Time is 11:40PM..

pillar

03-26-2007, 04:56 PM

Trying to manually update Omweather through my work wlan always crashed the whole thing. The only thing left to do was to shut it off. It worked perfectly when I made the update over 3G and home wlan.

Mika73

03-26-2007, 05:05 PM

Powersave also wont turn screen backlight off when I am playing netradio with Mediaplayer. It turns light lower.. and then back to normal. But not off after it has turned light lower, like it should.

geneven

03-26-2007, 06:49 PM

roberc567:

I don't have specific data on battery life; it just seems obvious to me that I'm changing batteries a lot less often. I am using the hell out of my N800. maybe for 12 hours or more a day for web browsing, reading and replying to email, and listening to audio mainly thru streaming, and reading ebooks. And playing with various programs such as Maemo Mapper. Most of the time I am in my house, linked to the wifi. As far as I can tell, the estimated numbers of hours you get after tapping the battery status icon aren't very worthwhile as estimates, but it currently says 5 hours/8 days, and it has been quite awhile since I put in the fresh battery. My WAG is that now I'm getting more like 5 hrs and before it was more like 3. I could be way off.

I am using two cheap Hong Kong batteries and the original Nokia; they are being charged with a cheap Asian charger. So far so good, and no explosions,

I have a theory about battery life and why I had so many bad problems with the earlier firmware. It seems to me that there were precipitous drops in the amount of battery left and this caused bad crashes and corrupted files. Now, with the new version, that problem seems to be gone.

DoctorDan

03-26-2007, 07:02 PM

So is there a safe to to downgrade back to the previous OS?

johsua

03-26-2007, 07:17 PM

Just flash back to it. I did after I learned that SDHC was not supported. If you are using the windows flasher you will need to download the older version and browse to it from the flasher rather than reflashing the new version. You can download the old version here:

http://www.maemo.org/downloads/nokia_N800.php?f=RX-34_2007SE_2.2006.51-6_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin

clq

03-27-2007, 01:21 AM

PDF reader works much faster, Ommweather works just fine, everything else works just fine and the lock keys feature no longer annoys me.

*happy with the upgrade*

mwiktowy

03-27-2007, 01:59 AM

I can freeze the unit with the new OS. Just start OMWeather and try to update. The whole unit freeze up.

Anyone else have problems like this.

-F

Yes ... identical problems but itermittently. Also, instead of the nightly reboots, I get nightly lockups. I am blaming OMWeather for now and have disabled it. If the problems go away, I will know for sure.

schmots

03-27-2007, 08:19 AM

Is there a new dual boot for this firmware? Don't want to even try the new version without it.

Nik1

03-27-2007, 10:47 AM

I cant seem to install GAIM again, it gives me a message saying it is not supported. Im guessing we have to wait for a newer version for the recent firmware.

howardcb

03-27-2007, 11:28 AM

I cant seem to install GAIM again, it gives me a message saying it is not supported. Im guessing we have to wait for a newer version for the recent firmware.

After updating the OS, I installed GAIM without problem using the following repositories:

Repository: http://maemo-hackers.org/apt
Distribution: mistral
Component: main

Repository: http://repository.maemo.org
Distribution: mistral
Component: non-free

I have only used the AOL protocol, but it works fine.

Howard

kenroy

03-27-2007, 12:06 PM

Yes ... identical problems but itermittently. Also, instead of the nightly reboots, I get nightly lockups. I am blaming OMWeather for now and have disabled it. If the problems go away, I will know for sure.

I also had the same problem but found that it went away after I changed the desktop layout using "Edit Layout".

itsharry

03-27-2007, 02:43 PM

Considering the problems users experience, I'd say the update process needs some work. Admittedly, it is a Linux platform, so hacks (seem to) prevail. But considering the N770 and certainly the N800 beat every UMPC-attempt (hardware-, size- and feature-wise) out there, and as such is a sound choice for end-users-not-hackers, it definitely needs work.

Why do we need a secondary pc for this??? Why not directly from the device itself??? Not very convenient, and convenience is all this device is about.

schmots

03-27-2007, 03:14 PM

You need a second system because you have to be out of the initfs section of the device to flash it.

mobiledivide

03-27-2007, 04:11 PM

I did the update and all my software works well, Canola, Omweather (still have to manually update), Rapsody, Claws mail, minimo, Gizmo. I haven't tried the VPNC yet. The system is quicker and seems more responsive.

I am an "end-user" kind of person not much into code/terminal level hacks and I think the update went quite smoothly, at least smoother than my failed attempt at a Vista upgrade. I don't have SDHC cards so I am quite happy with the new firmware.

I would recommend it to everyone apart from SDHC users (obviously). There are enough fixes on it to make it worth while.

spice3d

03-27-2007, 04:15 PM

Canola Beta2 (the most recent release) works just fine with 3.2007.10-7.

Try to play a podcast...not so fine...

neiljerram

03-27-2007, 04:30 PM

I cant seem to install GAIM again, it gives me a message saying it is not supported. Im guessing we have to wait for a newer version for the recent firmware.

I was able to reinstall GAIM. All appeared to go smoothly. Specifically: maemo-gaim, maemo-gaim-data, maemo-gaim-locale-en-gb, maemo-gaim-protocol-irc and maemo-gaim-protocol-msn.

When I try to use it, however, I find that IRC doesn't work; something about "protocol not installed". MSN seems fine.

- Neil

BobF4321

03-27-2007, 05:55 PM

rok

03-27-2007, 06:23 PM

Has anybody noticed certificate errors in the browser?
Go to http://www.maemo.org/ and click on the "Garage" tab... I get a popup "This site has sent an untrusted certificate", "Certificate cannot identify the server". Doing the same thing in Firefox on a PC works fine.

Yes, I had the same issue. But only if I accepted another certificate from a different site before. Rebooting "solves" the problem.

Mika73

03-27-2007, 06:41 PM

When I boot up N800, first it asks pin code, then picture on hands come and it plays that Nokia sound.. Sound doesnt play clear it has errors.. Its not a problem.. But does other have this too?

BobF4321

03-27-2007, 07:09 PM

Yes, I had the same issue. But only if I accepted another certificate from a different site before. Rebooting "solves" the problem.

Yup, rebooting fixed it... thanks!
Strange that restarting the browser doesn't fix it. Looks like a bug in the OS update... first time I have seen this in the two months I have owned the N800.

CliffOn

03-27-2007, 08:06 PM

Is there a new dual boot for this firmware? Don't want to even try the new version without it.

Yes, Fanoush has updated it.
http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/initfs_flasher.tgz

Seb Per

03-27-2007, 09:56 PM

after updating...reporting "scratching and clicking" noise -like static discharge- while browsing (opera), with stylus, in the headphones only. noise doesn't happen with other applications.

also and especially when playing vids on youtube (noise more frequent!)

This did not happen before update, started immediately after update.

anyone with similar experience?
how to fix this? it's annoying...

rok

03-28-2007, 02:47 AM

Yup, rebooting fixed it... thanks!
Strange that restarting the browser doesn't fix it. Looks like a bug in the OS update... first time I have seen this in the two months I have owned the N800.

No, I can remember that my old 770 did the same ... but once only.

Drahnreb

03-29-2007, 02:11 PM

Hi,

i have had no problems with the update. It's works fine.

Bernhard

TA-t3

04-03-2007, 08:11 AM

Now I think it's safe to say that with the new N800 OS version the automatic reboots are completely gone. At least I haven't had a single one so far. The uptime keeps collecting days.

fpp

04-03-2007, 09:49 AM

... while, as predicted earlier this year, the 770 reboots were not fixed with 3.2006, and it is now official they will never be. Good job.

TA-t3

04-03-2007, 10:03 AM

Yeah, the 770 story left Nokia with egg on their face, IMO. Hopefully they've learned from this. I think they were too hung up in their mobile phone strategy, which simply is to churn out new devices all the time and abandon the old ones, under the assumption that everyone is ready to buy a new one every year (more than an assumption actually, Nokia has been involved in at least one court case where they refused to follow local national law about how long warranty should be valid, claiming that "a phone is meant to last one year" or some such. Nokia lost BTW).

fpp

04-03-2007, 12:00 PM

They use that phrase so much "We learn from this", it's almost a mantra. But that learning is at our expense, no ?
Don't they get that we 770 users "learn from this", too ? :-)

I for one will nurse my (still beloved) 770 for as long as possible, and definitely will wait to see what really happens with the N800 in one year's time.

Texrat

04-03-2007, 12:07 PM

TA-t3 hit the nail on the head. The experience and status of the 770 is unfortunate, for sure, but if Nokia DOESN'T learn from it then the platform should be killed outright. I'll draw an analogy to the N-Gage: Nokia *almost* got it right with the QD, but having failed to properly analyze the intended market, screwed up bad enough to finally call it quits. That can still happen here IF the lessons learned don't turn into corrective action-- which, unfortunately, depends more on the managers than the engineers.

The reverse logistics process will make or break this product family. If it isn't fixed, consider yourselves the early adopters of some very unique products. :/

Milhouse

04-03-2007, 01:20 PM

N-Gage is alive and kicking, and will return to a Series 60 phone near you soon... :) http://futurewatch.n-gage.com/flash.html

Texrat

04-03-2007, 02:48 PM

N-Gage is alive and kicking, and will return to a Series 60 phone near you soon... :) http://futurewatch.n-gage.com/flash.html

But that isn't the device, Mil.

ArnimS

05-01-2007, 03:37 AM

But that isn't the device, Mil.

Since so many people want youtube videos, i thought i should note that they play fine with latest mplayer for 770.

I grab them with
http://www.arrakis.es/~rggi3/youtube-dl/

ssvb and the mplayer team are my heroes.

I remember that i used to have trouble getting smooth playback of some divx on a pentium-III 450mhz. The mplayer gurus have given me a player that can do XviD on a 220mhz ARM cpu. That is very, very impressive.

Zhe

05-16-2007, 03:08 AM

I'm happy with the update. No issues, but then I had only to reinstall FBReader and Evince. There may be minor improvements in UI and browser response times, but there's no question video stability is improved. At last, my little reading machine is a halfway decent portable movie player.

I still can't seem to get either the PDF viewer or Evince to open pdfs from Harpers.org, a crying shame when there are 150 years' worth of articles there. :-(

geneven

05-16-2007, 04:06 AM

Oh well, The Atlantic is available, anyway.

Zhe

05-24-2007, 07:16 PM

I still can't seem to get either the PDF viewer or Evince to open pdfs from Harpers.org, a crying shame when there are 150 years' worth of articles there. :-(

Footnote: I found a simple workaround. Merely turning off images in the pdf reader allows the N800 reader to open these text-based pdfs (which were made with open source software incidentally). Go figure!