Looks like the MeeGo Handset UX is almost out - Due 30 June

[Turkishflavor]

There is one thing I asked my self: WHY the hell, did some developer claim, that there will be a meego release on June 30th, altough they won't release anything today? :confused:
Are they just making fun of us, trying to fool us, or what?
I don't see any sense in there, talking about a release, when there is no release, at least not today.

Like the PR1.2 Release, or the OVI Store. Back then they told us a release date and couldn't even meet the deadline!

In addition, what's about the promised game: "Jurassic 3D Rollercoaster"? Can't see anything like that in ovi store, altough Nokia promised to put it in, with the PR1.2 update!

I really feel disappointed by Nokia, when there won't be MeeGo-Release TODAY as promised.

In fact I don't have any hope that there will be a MeeGo Release today..

[w00t]

There is one thing I asked my self: WHY the hell, did some developer claim, that there will be a meego release on June 30th, altough they won't release anything today? :confused:

Because that is the day when they intend to release. Today is not yet over, too.

Reading the rest of your reply, I can't help but think that I should emphasise that this release is for developers.

That is, it is will almost certainly not be ready for end users at this stage.

[lwa]

There is one thing I asked my self: WHY the hell, did some developer claim, that there will be a meego release on June 30th, altough they won't release anything today? :confused:
Are they just making fun of us, trying to fool us, or what?
I don't see any sense in there, talking about a release, when there is no release, at least not today.

Like the PR1.2 Release, or the OVI Store. Back then they told us a release date and couldn't even meet the deadline!

In addition, what's about the promised game: "Jurassic 3D Rollercoaster"? Can't see anything like that in ovi store, altough Nokia promised to put it in, with the PR1.2 update!

I really feel disappointed by Nokia, when there won't be MeeGo-Release TODAY as promised.

In fact I don't have any hope that there will be a MeeGo Release today..

Before you get on your high horse, remember 'time zones'

It is still only 4:00am in Los Angeles on the 30th of June.. so if by chance whoever was coordinating the release was based in LA, it would be still 5 hours before business even opened, and as long as they release it in 20 hours from now they could still keep the promise of releasing it on the 30th of June..

[qwenjis]

Have you read the thread? There were people asking a lot of useful questions about what to expect, what the release actually was, etc.
I have. Still making guesses about something that wasn't even released is kinda pointless,imho

[Optln]

There's an IRC meeting at 19:00 UTC. They might release it after that.

[w00t]

I have. Still making guesses about something that wasn't even released is kinda pointless,imho

Not all of it was guesses. There have been various bits of information given out about it from the people working on it, and additional bits of information from the overly curious people like myself who have dug into MTouch and other bits and pieces who can make educated guesses about what is coming.

You're right in that it isn't as good as discussing an actual release, but it is natural and human that people will be curious. ;)

[w00t]

There's an IRC meeting at 19:00 UTC. They might release it after that.

I really hope not. That would turn the meeting into an absolute nightmare. :(

[johnel]

If you think the thread has nothing more to offer you, why don't you just no longer read it?

From a user standpoint there is no difference between a closed thread and a thread you don't click on.

I guess the 2 possible issues are either the few KB it takes up on the servers database for additional useless posts, or you could argue that when you click 'new posts' it is still there and frustrating to ignore, but if either of those 2 issues are bothering you, perhaps your life needs spicing up, or something to create meaning beyond the forums... may i suggest you get a puppy?

Actually I have a reta5ded dog and two cats that think they own the place.

I got my dog and 2 cats together in front on the computer monitor and asked them what they thought..

Reta5ded dog: "you know this is very similar to the massive PR1.2 thread that was active a few months ago. While I was chewing my bone I realised this is a common problem in this forum.
Many threads start of with good intentions and contain many useful posts. Eventually they start to degenerate into a collection of stupid comments that offer no meaningful value to the discussion and then when you try to search for something you have to wade through these comments and eventually you just give up..."

Cat 1: "Yeah I know what you mean! I want to install MeeGo on my n900 and searched this forum. It's really hard trying to find stuff sometimes"

Cat 2: "How many ways can you say the meego UX is not out yet. It's obvious its delayed. Isn't is better for it to be delayed for a little while and make sure it is in a basic usable state rather than release something sub-standard?"

Cat 1: "If anyone is serious about meego why don't you visit the meego website? It has a lot of information about meego on the n900. For example one of the blockers with the project is that the battery management software was crashing the device - I think it was doing this when it was charging I can't remember"

Reta5ded dog: "lwa completely missed the point of the original comment and rambled on about taking up space in databases and getting a puppy. I'm really offended by the last bit I'm a happy dog and my owner treats me well - the last thing I want is to compete with a puppy for my owner's attention. He also spends a lot of time with his family and does many other things beyond this forum."

Cat 1: "lwa must be human because no cat or dog would reply with something so stupid."

Reta5ded dog: "I hope my owner does not post our conversation on this thread because he will just add to the problem - but what do I know I'm reta5ded."

[markn]

Before you get on your high horse, remember 'time zones'

It is still only 4:00am in Los Angeles on the 30th of June.. so if by chance whoever was coordinating the release was based in LA, it would be still 5 hours before business even opened, and as long as they release it in 20 hours from now they could still keep the promise of releasing it on the 30th of July...

30th July???:D
Did I sleep through an entire month???

[fergusso]

There is one thing I asked my self: WHY the hell, did some developer claim, that there will be a meego release on June 30th, altough they won't release anything today? :confused:
Are they just making fun of us, trying to fool us, or what?
I don't see any sense in there, talking about a release, when there is no release, at least not today.

Like the PR1.2 Release, or the OVI Store. Back then they told us a release date and couldn't even meet the deadline!

In addition, what's about the promised game: "Jurassic 3D Rollercoaster"? Can't see anything like that in ovi store, altough Nokia promised to put it in, with the PR1.2 update!

I really feel disappointed by Nokia, when there won't be MeeGo-Release TODAY as promised.

In fact I don't have any hope that there will be a MeeGo Release today..

We have the same disappointment bro!

same .... Exact disappointment.

[nosa101]

What time did the last version come out?
It's just 6:25 am here.
Get a grip. Go get some ***** or something

[lwa]

Actually I have a reta5ded dog and two cats that think they own the place.

I got my dog and 2 cats together in front on the computer monitor and asked them what they thought..

Reta5ded dog: "you know this is very similar to the massive PR1.2 thread that was active a few months ago. While I was chewing my bone I realised this is a common problem in this forum.
Many threads start of with good intentions and contain many useful posts. Eventually they start to degenerate into a collection of stupid comments that offer no meaningful value to the discussion and then when you try to search for something you have to wade through these comments and eventually you just give up..."

Cat 1: "Yeah I know what you mean! I want to install MeeGo on my n900 and searched this forum. It's really hard trying to find stuff sometimes"

Cat 2: "How many ways can you say the meego UX is not out yet. It's obvious its delayed. Isn't is better for it to be delayed for a little while and make sure it is in a basic usable state rather than release something sub-standard?"

Cat 1: "If anyone is serious about meego why don't you visit the meego website? It has a lot of information about meego on the n900. For example one of the blockers with the project is that the battery management software was crashing the device - I think it was doing this when it was charging I can't remember"

Reta5ded dog: "lwa completely missed the point of the original comment and rambled on about taking up space in databases and getting a puppy. I'm really offended by the last bit I'm a happy dog and my owner treats me well - the last thing I want is to compete with a puppy for my owner's attention. He also spends a lot of time with his family and does many other things beyond this forum."

Cat 1: "lwa must be human because no cat or dog would reply with something so stupid."

Reta5ded dog: "I hope my owner does not post our conversation on this thread because he will just add to the problem - but what do I know I'm reta5ded."

Obviously your reta5ded dog and myself have different opinions of forums.. I try and treat them like a conversation... if you put people in a room and give them a topic to talk about, it will initially be very formal and to the topic, as the conversation continues it might occasionally go off on a tangent as peoples responses become more and more familiar, that doesn't mean we need someone to jump in and stop all people talking, as long as the conversation isn't making it hard for a developer, being abusive or hurting the community at large, its natural to have an organic flow to conversations as they gravitate around a topic, and therefor I don't see why its an issue an a conversational community forum.

[w00t]

Get a grip. Go get some ***** or something

While I agree with your sentiments, please, make an effort to keep it polite. The atmosphere stays a lot nicer.

[nosa101]

While I agree with your sentiments, please, make an effort to keep it polite. The atmosphere stays a lot nicer.

My apologies

It is just irritating to see the whole "sky is falling" attitude

[sjgadsby]

Like the PR1.2 Release, or the OVI Store. Back then they told us a release date and couldn't even meet the deadline!

While PR1.2 was clearly delayed, the only actual announcement Nokia ever made regarding a date was, "U.K. today, everywhere else tomorrow", which was accurate. As with the original N900 release date, where Nokia only said "November", various people online with no connection to Nokia made dates up out of whole cloth and complained when their hollowness was proven.

There's time yet for a release today, especially given the signs that the left coast of the United States is a (the?) key location for MeeGo. qgil is relocating there, after all.

[johnel]

What is the big deal about the release date?

Why must it be today?

As far as I know the original intention was to release the UX last month but it slipped. Then it was "in June" and recently "30th June".

Of course none of this was formally announced and is still "rumours" !

The developers have said that the blocker was something to do with the battery management over at meego.com and maybe other stuff too.

If it is going to take a little longer than so be it. Why are people starting to get annoyed by this?

I'm excited about the meego project and desperately want to try it.
Yes, I am disappointed it is not out yet but as a developer I understand that these things often get delayed.

So we have to be patient and see what happens over possible the next few days.

Let's try and avoid the "gloom and doom" and ranting against Nokia and Meego.

We really do not want this thread to go the same way as "that" PR1.2 thread do we?

[Turkishflavor]

Then it was "in June" and recently "30th June".
Of course none of this was formally announced and is still "rumours" !

"rumors"? "none of this was formally announced"? Better look at this:
http://www.fiercedeveloper.com/story/handset-version-meego-set-june-30-release/2010-06-21?utm_medium=rss&utm_source=rss

The director of MeeGo software at Nokia, Valtteri Halla, said, that it's going to be released on 30th June in that interview.

no questions asked, this is definitely an announcement. ;)

[johnel]

"rumors"? "none of this was formally announced"? Better look at this:
http://www.fiercedeveloper.com/story/handset-version-meego-set-june-30-release/2010-06-21?utm_medium=rss&utm_source=rss

The director of MeeGo software at Nokia, Valtteri Halla, said, that it's going to be released on 30th June in that interview.

no questions asked, this is definitely an announcement. ;)

Wow! I missed that!

I can't believe a Nokia Director actually communicated something committal like that!

What next? "Cats and dogs living together...."

Mind you I would rather wait a little longer if it means greater stability and a few less bugs.

[jsa]

The director of MeeGo software at Nokia, Valtteri Halla, said, that it's going to be released on 30th June in that interview.

I still haven't figured out why exactly you think they won't release anything today?

[Kangal]

I think the hardest thing ever ever is the actual user interface.
It needs to be really well thought out and see how it caters to the intended devices. And then see how it could be useful on another device.

For instance, most bloggers say how much better Android is over iphones user interface (navigation, widgets, wallpaper, notifications etc) but when that is amplified onto a 8" tablet it just looks bloated and ugly.

If Nokia could get A+ with the entire user interface, it wont matter if they get C- in everything else, and thats the ugly truth. Because all the rest could be improved but when you try to patch the user interface, you notice that it starts looking very ugly (Frankenstein) and not a fluid experience. Because when you have a universal experience with the interface (ie built from scratch) it makes THAT MUCH of an experience, which is why the iPhone was so appealing in a world of HTC windows mobile ugliness.

[vivainio]

its natural to have an organic flow to conversations as they gravitate around a topic, and therefor I don't see why its an issue an a conversational community forum.

The problem is that many people are interested in the subject matters discussed here, but don't have time for "filler" content. TMO is 95% full of redundant conversation because people are using it like a chatroom; the whole service was more valuable if idle chatter occured in offtopic forums, or there was a moderation system that made people a bit more "afraid" of disrupting threads with offtopic matters (-1, hijacking_the_thread).

[lwa]

The problem is that many people are interested in the subject matters discussed here, but don't have time for "filler" content. TMO is 95% full of redundant conversation because people are using it like a chatroom; the whole service was more valuable if idle chatter occured in offtopic forums, or there was a moderation system that made people a bit more "afraid" of disrupting threads with offtopic matters (-1, hijacking_the_thread).

Do people actually expect there to be a serious developer orientated discussion forum with zero chit chat if Meego does become mainstream though?

As a general rule, the higher the popularity, the stupider the comments. Look at Youtube; one of the most visited sites on the web and its comments possibly act an archive for all of human stupidity..

I'm not saying chaos should reign... but the idea of the maemo/meego OS reaching a developed state where it can take on android/iphone or becoming 'step 5 of 5' (and hence the popularity that will come with it) while having the main community resource/forum devoid of all humanity and just people sharing facts directly related to topics is perhaps a fools dream...

[johnel]

Do people actually expect there to be a serious developer orientated discussion forum with zero chit chat if Meego does become mainstream though?

As a general rule, the higher the popularity, the stupider the comments. Look at Youtube; one of the most visited sites on the web and its comments possibly act an archive for all of human stupidity..

I'm not saying chaos should reign... but the idea of the maemo/meego OS reaching a developed state where it can take on android/iphone or becoming 'step 5 of 5' (and hence the popularity that will come with it) while having the main community resource/forum devoid of all humanity and just people sharing facts directly related to topics is perhaps a fools dream...

The "USB Hosting" thread was really interesting read for me. A great thread by the developers was ruined because of the comments posted towards the end.
The result was the thread was closed and the discussions went into secret effectively robbing this forum of some great content.

So maybe exercise a little intelligence and common-sense when you (or anyone) post on any particular thread.

Some threads benefit from a "focused" discussion some don't. Use your judgement and try and post appropiately.

..devoid of all humanity..

My reta5rded dog and cats (http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=735273&postcount=258) beg to differ...

EDIT: To keep this vaguely on-topic is this the release that will be "proper" open-sourced? (e.g. Anyone can participate in the development because all source code for UX is available?)

[w00t]

EDIT: To keep this vaguely on-topic is this the release that will be "proper" open-sourced? (e.g. Anyone can participate in the development because all source code for UX is available?)

This is the release of the handset UX for MeeGo, yes.

[fergusso]

people here have long patience .... no matter how many time Nokia failed them

[ZShakespeare]

Alright, I'm up! Where do I get the Jesus OS?

[Marcin24lbn]

people here have long patience .... no matter how many time Nokia failed them

http://meego.com/community/events/2010/meego-l10n-irc-meeting-4

[Heman1310]

Alright, I'm up! Where do I get the Jesus OS?

Its not yet released.

[jsa]

people here have long patience .... no matter how many time Nokia failed them

We're waiting for the MeeGo project(not Nokia) to open development of the pre-alpha handset UX. It will be very raw and this shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. You can kick and scream all you want but these are the realities that have been communicated before.

[Laughing Man]

Do people actually expect there to be a serious developer orientated discussion forum with zero chit chat if Meego does become mainstream though?

As a general rule, the higher the popularity, the stupider the comments. Look at Youtube; one of the most visited sites on the web and its comments possibly act an archive for all of human stupidity..

I'm not saying chaos should reign... but the idea of the maemo/meego OS reaching a developed state where it can take on android/iphone or becoming 'step 5 of 5' (and hence the popularity that will come with it) while having the main community resource/forum devoid of all humanity and just people sharing facts directly related to topics is perhaps a fools dream...

Unless steps are taken the only thing that will happen is the developers, people pushing the NITs to do crazy things, and people sick of the noise will just go to IRC and post on this forum once in a blue moon. Imagine the signal to noise ratio then. o.O

[ZShakespeare]

Oh god, I'm having a sneezing fit and the only prescription is the MeeGo Handset UX.

[me2000]

Has it been released yet ?

[volt]

I am pretty sure that there should be a certain dynamic relationship between the thread intention and the thread content. Dogs and cats aside, in a speculative topic named "Looks like [something] is almost out", a lack of references to the PR1.2 thread and Chuck Norris would require Ingsoc moderation. In a post-release thread discussing how to rewrite a module to fit into the touch UI, I would believe there would be less acceptance for subthreading. TMO is a community, not a FAQ slash work log.

[w00t]

Unless steps are taken the only thing that will happen is the developers, people pushing the NITs to do crazy things, and people sick of the noise will just go to IRC and post on this forum once in a blue moon. Imagine the signal to noise ratio then. o.O

Yes. Ignoring the forums is precisely what I've seriously considered in the past, due to really bad s/n ratio. I'm quite sure I'm not alone in considering (and doing) this, from what has been said the USB host mode people are one example of this.

(I've deliberately *not* left, because I think the more people that do that, the worse it is going to get. I also think that there are a lot of people remaining here that I can try help from time to time, so I stay, and do that instead.)

Discussing what this handset UX release is going to bring us as users or developers, useful. Joking about delays and whatnot and that things never come out on time might even be amusing.

10000x posts of "is it out yet" aren't really adding any value into the discussion.

There's a difference between mindless idiocy and on-topic discussion, with occasional banter thrown into it. Some people don't seem to grasp the subtle distinction between the two.

[ironm8]

'Looks like the MeeGo Handset UX is almost out' is indeed a proper title to this thread.
As i've always found 'almost' a very flexible word indeed that could stretch from here to eternity :)
and the best thing about that word is that it keeps everyone on the edge :D

[aikon800]

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Vuch af Oareez.?../
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[qgil]

Please chill out. Things are on their way. Just look at the times of previous MeeGo Day 1s and releases.

[sachin007]

Please chill out. Things are on their way. Just look at the times of previous MeeGo Day 1s and releases.

And when was the Meego Day 1 release? Too lazy to look it up :D

[EIPI]

Intel is on the west coast of NA, remember. People there are barely making it to work right now.

[w00t]

Please chill out. Things are on their way. Just look at the times of previous MeeGo Day 1s and releases.

Don't let common sense intrude on our discussion! :D

You're just saying this because the release is delayed! ;)

[Viipottaja]

But Quim, this a Nokia release and everything is closed in Finland by now - everybody goes home at pretty much 4pm even in the private sector! :P

[w00t]

But Quim, this a Nokia release and everything is closed in Finland by now - everybody goes home at pretty much 4pm even in the private sector! :P

This is not a Nokia release. It's a MeeGo project release.

MeeGo is not just Nokia.

[netoak]

But Quim, this a Nokia release and everything is closed in Finland by now - everybody goes home at pretty much 4pm even in the private sector! :P

Not necessary, MeeGo 1.0 was released beetwen 19-21h in CET (early morning in PDT), I assume the most important group of MeeGo is in US

[cfh11]

Hmmm so are those times in GMT?? It looks like we are looking at between 17:00 and 20:30 based on prior releases.... :D

[Viipottaja]

w00t, oh my bad, I thought this was to be a preview of Nokia's implementation of Meego, not a generic Meego handset UI/UX.

[Turkishflavor]

why can't just one developer tell us, if today will be a release or not? what's the problem about that?!

[w00t]

why can't just one developer tell us, if today will be a release or not? what's the problem about that?!

Are you incapable of reading?

I'll quote it for you:
Please chill out. Things are on their way. Just look at the times of previous MeeGo Day 1s and releases.

[netoak]

Quim Gil reply implies that the release would be today, on evening in Europe

[ZShakespeare]

We need to get some more dubstep in this thread. Makes for better waiting.

[Turkishflavor]

ok thanks..
sorry, but there 300 posts in this thread :D

[netoak]

Hmmm so are those times in GMT?? It looks like we are looking at between 17:00 and 20:30 based on prior releases.... :D

Nop, CET = GMT + 2 so it matches more or less with your hours.

[HellFlyer]

Well I dont want to be the one who says this but if its delayed... well :D Nokia never released anything on time :(

[w00t]

Well I dont want to be the one who says this but if its delayed... well :D Nokia never released anything on time :(

Repeating myself:


This is not a Nokia release. It's a MeeGo project release.

MeeGo is not just Nokia.

[ZShakespeare]

This is why I love pacific time. eveything happens before you get off work leaving you evenings free for tinkering.

[HellFlyer]

Repeating myself:

So this is MeeGo? I thought its the hybrid Harmattan , and afaik right now only Nokia is focused on Mobile UX..no? :)

[NvyUs]

So this is MeeGo? I thought its the hybrid Harmattan , and afaik right now only Nokia is focused on Mobile UX..no? :)

this is a MeeGo 1.1 for handsets UX early alpha release from the MeeGo project

[Kangal]

@Turk

Cause just one developer wont know. There's probably many workers doing/implementing different stuff so only the "head" would know the progress and how long it would take until they finalized it (of each major step like for the UI, or the OS stack, or HW implementation etc etc)
What your asking for is a leak, and these days you could only take it as a grain of salt "unreliable rumour"

[ossipena]

Yes. Ignoring the forums is precisely what I've seriously considered in the past, due to really bad s/n ratio. I'm quite sure I'm not alone in considering (and doing) this, from what has been said the USB host mode people are one example of this.


I took a good pause from this forum too. a month or more maybe. just because of the ridiculous amount of noise

(and sorry for the offtopic, should this conversation be moved to offtopic-section?)

[w00t]

So this is MeeGo? I thought its the hybrid Harmattan , and afaik right now only Nokia is focused on Mobile UX..no? :)

It's the first code release for the (to be fully open source) MeeGo handset UX.

And no, I'd say it's been a fairly good collaboration looking at the names of people doing the work so far. @nokia.com people have been doing a lot of discussions and work on MeeGo QA lately for instance.

[w00t]

(and sorry for the offtopic, should this conversation be moved to offtopic-section?)

Equally sorry for the offtopic, but:

Yes, if you think there's a need to discuss it, let's pick it up somewhere else. This thread seems to have moved back on-topic, so let's do our bit in keeping it that way.

[thommy]

The timing of this thread start might be a good indicator:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53866

[cfh11]

Nop, CET = GMT + 2 so it matches more or less with your hours.

I was referring to the times of the releases here:

http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Engineering/Plans/1.1

[Kangal]

Well, today will be the first time! waiting...passionately

Did I just find Chuck Norris?

You don't find Chuck Norris, he finds you!

[ScottishDuck]

There are some ia32 handset images in the repos now, Maybe still hope for a release tonight.

[Turkishflavor]

its up: http://meego.com/downloads/releases/1.1/meego-v1.1-handset-developer-preview

The MeeGo [v1.1] Handset User Experience includes:
MeeGo Handset Dialer is MeeGo's Handset dialer application
MeeGo Handset SMS is MeeGo's Handset SMS application
Fennec Browser is MeeGo's Qt based web browser for Handsets
MeeGo Handset Photos is MeeGo's Handset photo viewer
MeeGo Handset People is MeeGo's Handset contacts management system

and here is the news: http://meego.com/community/blogs/valhalla/2010/meego-handset-project-day-1-here

[dchky]

Did I just find Chuck Norris?

You don't find Chuck Norris, he finds you!

1995 called, they want their overused and completely not funny meme back.

Sigh, I'm beginning to concur with others about closing this thread now.

[CormacB]

its up: http://meego.com/downloads/releases/1.1/meego-v1.1-handset-developer-preview

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Intel version WTF?

[Turkishflavor]

and YES the n900 is supported:

Hardware adaptation support for Intel Atom-based handset (Moorestown) and ARM-based Nokia N900

i will now install it :D

[juahan]

And now we can start waiting for people writing here how Nokia once again dissapointed everyone and how it sucks and that nothing works etc.

[EverythingBlaxx]

and YES the n900 is supported:

Hardware adaptation support for Intel Atom-based handset (Moorestown) and ARM-based Nokia N900

i will now install it :D

How exactly?

[CormacB]

and YES the n900 is supported:

Hardware adaptation support for Intel Atom-based handset (Moorestown) and ARM-based Nokia N900

i will now install it :D
Except the download for N900 isn't actually there.

[NokiaRocks]

Where's the dl link ?

[ryanl33x1511]

anyone try to install on N900 yet?

[Turkishflavor]

some screenshots: http://meego.com/devices/handset/handset-screenshots
looks really sweet!


in the news they say: n900 is definitly supported today, but i only can find, and downloading now, "Aava Mobile Intel Moorestown platform"..

shouldn't be there an extra n900-version?!

can't find anything here:http://meego.com/devices/handset/handset-supported-hardware

i believe they are uploading it now :)

and here is how to install it on this aava mobile: http://meego.com/devices/handset/installing-aava-device

hope n900 will be the same too :)

[aikon800]

Nice meego looking good..

[jackie_jagger]

@Turkish Flavor you beat me to it !! I'm wondering where is the N900 image !! *fingers crossed*

[juahan]

http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.0/core/images/meego-n900-open-armv7l/

Here?

Edit: Or not, according to the dates, that is from May.

[manavs]

http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.0/core/images/meego-n900-open-armv7l/

Here?

That is v1.0 with console only.

[kennibal]

Wow this is exciting! Downloading, 59mins to go before I install! :D

[ryanl33x1511]

support hardware is
* Aava Mobile Intel Moorestown platform EV2
* Aava Mobile Intel Moorestown platform DV1
* Nokia N900
there is only one instruction to install on on a Aava Handset. I think the images file in repo is also for N900 and Aava Handset together?

[mrojas]

I think the UI looks like a mid-point between the iPhone UI and the Windows Phone 7 UI, which I like a lot. Seems efficient and elegant, without being to annoyingly flashy. Good work!

[jackie_jagger]

possible that they are together, but what about install instructions? do they remain same?

[EverythingBlaxx]

support hardware is
* Aava Mobile Intel Moorestown platform EV2
* Aava Mobile Intel Moorestown platform DV1
* Nokia N900
there is only one instruction to install on on a Aava Handset. I think the images file in repo is also for N900 and Aava Handset together?

Well the fact that it says that is has Hardware adaptation support for Intel Atom-based handset (Moorestown) and ARM-based Nokia N900 makes me think that the same image and instructions will work on the N900 because it says it's supported

[EverythingBlaxx]

anybody knows if you can double boot this n900 release and if, how?

No need for dual boot. You install it on a MicroSD card and boot from that.

[elris]

Whow! Look and feel of MeeGo Handset is wonderful. This is really a great Day 1. I waited so much for this moment!

[hassan_badredin]

could i install *WITHOUT* the SD card?
ooohh please say yes!!!

[ryanl33x1511]

Well the fact that it says that is has Hardware adaptation support for Intel Atom-based handset (Moorestown) and ARM-based Nokia N900 makes me think that the same image and instructions will work on the N900 because it says it's supported

That is what i think so too, because we dont know much Avamobile platform same as N900 yet but i think when they said support Avamobile include N900 platform so the image will support both platform.

[ryanl33x1511]

anyone try the Aava Mobile image on N900 yet ?

[jneidlinger]

Guys the n900 image is clearly not up yet. The Aava Mobile image is a moorestown platform image. They are probably updating the site as its available.

[mikec]

http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.0/core/images/meego-n900-open-armv7l/

[jneidlinger]

http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.0/core/images/meego-n900-open-armv7l/

Look at the version number and date. That is clearly the 1.0 release on the 26th of May. Meego 1.0 with no UI. Stop posting erroneous information.

[sachin007]

Waiting for instructions....

[Turkishflavor]

@mikec, that's not the new meego 1.1, it's just a console based, very old release :)

[sevla]

That interface is god like..

This is exactly what i want. I'm soo proud of you Nokia.. i can't wait till oct lol..

[ryanl33x1511]

i dont think the image for N900 will never be up. That is what Nokia intense to do with us, make us hope and waiting then boom..let waiting again..

[jackie_jagger]

yep the N900 version is now up !!

http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/meego-codedrop.php <- there

cheers

[mikec]

apologies

you need to go here and download the kickstart file

http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/meego-codedrop.php

edit

just beat me to it :D

[elris]

i dont think the image for N900 will never be up. That is what Nokia intense to do with us, make us hope and waiting then boom..let waiting again..

Isn't it here?

http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/meego-codedrop.php

edit:

:) too late!

[jackie_jagger]

haha, no worries ;P !! we share the credits :P,

Anyone has any idea if the instructions would remain same?

[fiferboy]

http://meego.com/downloads/releases/1.0.80.8/meego-handset-day1-developer-preview

There is now a "code-drop" on tablets-dev. The page linked above contains a link instructing you to download a "kickstart" file. You need a valid N900 IMEI.

Edit: Late, but I have a different link from everyone else. Waiting for instructions after downloading the files. Time for an N900 backup...

[mikec]

Dont forget the know issues and workarounds

http://meego.com/downloads/releases/1.0.80.8/meego-handset-day1-developer-preview

[ryanl33x1511]

any instruction how to do it ?

[Heman1310]

Wow.. I feel like a kid again opening his christmas present :D

[qwenjis]

OMG this is just increadably awesome UI.
Can't wait for a installation guide. I do hope there's a possibility to install it without microSD because I don't have one(32Gb is enough for me).Otherwise I'd have to go buy a card tomorrow.
Cheers everyone!

[sevla]

Can you even buy Aava mobile hardware?

if so where from..

[jackie_jagger]

ok which of those files are we supposed to download !!
confuseeeeed !! any help? and this also means that this is a FLASH file, gotta flash it to the N900, any work around to install it to the microSD?

[ryanl33x1511]

Can you even buy Aava mobile hardware?

if so where from..

not out yet. just a prototype out, you can search youtube

[sevla]

not out yet. just a prototype out, you can search youtube

I figured as much. It was just odd to me that they have instructions for a device that mostly dev's have and not the general public.

[ryanl33x1511]

do we use instruction here
http://meego.com/devices/handset/installing-aava-device

to install for our N900 ?

[Turkishflavor]

there is a video online: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW5wpg5epMs

[Tiboric]

would the instructions for 1.0 work. http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Creating_ARM_image_using_MeeGo_Image_Creator#Run_M eeGo_Image_Creator

[sevla]

there is a video online: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW5wpg5epMs

*faint*......

[sachin007]

Is it the video or is there really so much lag? I know this is a pre-alpha... just asking.

Thanks

[ScottishDuck]

can't we just use the rootfs image provided at meego-codedrop?

[conny]

There are already images. One for qemu and one for the N900. No need to create your own image.

[Turkishflavor]

and how do i flash the 'meego-codedrop-arm-n900-closed-201003311635.ubiimg'-image? just by using the flasher3.5 as i would flash a PR1.2 maemo image? or is that wrong?

[conny]

Ah damn, those are still the old images without UX.... Sorry....

[Turkishflavor]

nevermind :)

[Tiboric]

There are already images. One for qemu and one for the N900. No need to create your own image.

can tell us how to flash these? because their not in a format flasher recognises...

[wmarone]

The ubiimg is an -old image- from May that includes none of what was just released. You will need to follow the instructions linked to by Tiboric to build an image yourself.

DO NOT TRY TO PUT THE AAVA MOBILE IMAGE ON YOUR PHONE, IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT WORK.

[antezz]

For Developers who wish to build an N900 image Download the N900 kickstart file.

Do you read?

[PhoenixBh]

Can anyone share their image?
I would build it myself but I'm on vacation and got no fedora at hand....

[Tiboric]

The ubiimg is an -old image- from May that includes none of what was just released. You will need to follow the instructions linked to by Tiboric to build an image yourself.

DO NOT TRY TO PUT THE AAVA MOBILE IMAGE ON YOUR PHONE, IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT WORK.

almost second guessed myself then... thanks for the backup.

once some ones built this image. can they upload as Im still at work at the min...

but I have flasher installed on this computer.

[sevla]

Is it the video or is there really so much lag? I know this is a pre-alpha... just asking.

Thanks

It's laggy. They said it would be buggy so i'm not surprised by this. It should be fixed by 1.1

[wmarone]

Can anyone share their image?
I would build it myself but I'm on vacation and got no fedora at hand....

Building using the kickstart file downloaded from the Nokia code drop site creates an image that uses Nokia non-free bits. Redistributing those without permission can get you into hot water.

If you want an image without building it yourself, waiting for an image to be uploaded is your best bet.

[Turkishflavor]

on the video is not a n900 ;) i guess a n900 is more powerful than the aava moorestown

[fatalsaint]

almost second guessed myself then... thanks for the backup.

once some ones built this image. can they upload as Im still at work at the min...

but I have flasher installed on this computer.

I was thinking this too.. but I believe that image would include the Nokia Proprietary stuff so probably not...

[PhoenixBh]

Building using the kickstart file downloaded from the Nokia code drop site creates an image that uses Nokia non-free bits. Redistributing those without permission can get you into hot water.

If you want an image without building it yourself, waiting for an image to be uploaded is your best bet.

well that's a bummer, specially if the image is men't to be distributed anyway...

Thanks anyway..

arghh maybe should just get a Fedora VM..

[crown77]

http://meego.com/community/blogs/valhalla/2010/meego-handset-project-day-1-here

looks like its out now?

why isnt there a N900 Image?

[wmarone]

http://meego.com/community/blogs/valhalla/2010/meego-handset-project-day-1-here

looks like its out now?

Past four pages or so man :p

[w00t]

From meego-dev mailing list, in reply to my question:

Hi!

I know… we are having small problem here with arranging download for the N900 bits. Sorry for this. Will be fixed in few hours.

Valtteri

[Tiboric]

Building using the kickstart file downloaded from the Nokia code drop site creates an image that uses Nokia non-free bits. Redistributing those without permission can get you into hot water.

If you want an image without building it yourself, waiting for an image to be uploaded is your best bet.

guess I'll have to wait a few hours till I get home. didn't think about proprietary.

[hassan_badredin]

do i need linux to build an image????
i still have windows xp so...

[vivainio]

on the video is not a n900 ;) i guess a n900 is more powerful than the aava moorestown

http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/05/aava-mobiles-intel-moorestown-prototype-plays-world-of-warcraft/

[PhoenixBh]

do i need linux to build an image????
i still have windows xp so...

yes you need linux to built it

[gsever]

These instructions (http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Creating_ARM_image_using_MeeGo_Image_Creator) are well suited for my Fedora 12

Hah for the first time instructions other than Debian/Ubuntu :D

[wmarone]

http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/05/aava-mobiles-intel-moorestown-prototype-plays-world-of-warcraft/

If it runs it anything like my macbook runs it, then "plays" means "barely, and at low FPS even with all the options turned down."

Still an impressive feat for a handset, but I wouldn't be shocked at the total lack of battery life ;)

[hassan_badredin]

yes you need linux to built it

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(

[ryanl33x1511]

u can use vm to install linux

[qwenjis]

Building image for n900 requers fedora...such a crap...

[PhoenixBh]

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(


Has pointed out by ryanl33x1511 you could run a VM such as VirtualBox (http://www.virtualbox.org/)...

[me2000]

It looks way more polished and finished in the video than what I was expecting.

I bought an N900 last week. It should be here this week. If I see comments that Meego is half way stable/usable, I am going to skip the whole Maemo experience and jump right to Meego.

I'm itching to develop some apps that use Bluetooth and the GPS. Can I start doing this now ?

Thanks !

[crown77]

i really wonder about this:

Supported Hardware
Aava Mobile Intel Moorestown platform EV2
Aava Mobile Intel Moorestown platform DV1

Anybody said Meego Development is useing the N900 as Development Device. So is the Supported Hardware not the N900 anymore this would be really bad for us i guess..

[gsever]

OK hit some errors on the first build attempt:


Run mode: legacy
Geting repomd.xml from repo meego-trunk...

Error: failed to create image : URLGrabber error: [Errno 14] HTTP Error 404 : http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/devel/trunk/repo/arm/os/repodata/repomd.xml : http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/devel/trunk/repo/arm/os/repodata/repomd.xml

[U.ser]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW5wpg5epMs

looks like an unlocked iOS with a taste of Android & webOS .. which is a good thing right ?

no it's not good , it's AWESOME !

[ScottishDuck]

It's laggy. They said it would be buggy so i'm not surprised by this. It should be fixed by 1.1

kernel 2.6.35(-rc3) has huge performance regressions. As the weeks go on meego will update the kernel and performance should improve a lot.

[PhoenixBh]

i really wonder about this:

Supported Hardware
Aava Mobile Intel Moorestown platform EV2
Aava Mobile Intel Moorestown platform DV1

Anybody said Meego Development will be done for the N900. So is the Supported Hardware not the N900 anymore this would be really bad for us i guess..

It was said in earlier announcements that the N900 is no longer being support while devs are using it for testing MeeGo, so while the bits are there i guess its up to us to make it work fully..

Kinda a suck, that nokia is just ditching the N900...

[Dave999]

nokia could be in the backseat. Intel infront and driving. Not good for n900 if that's is the case. :(

[cfh11]

From meego-dev mailing list, in reply to my question:

Originally Posted by valterri Hi!

I know… we are having small problem here with arranging download for the N900 bits. Sorry for this. Will be fixed in few hours.

ValtteriSee earlier post by w00t. Btw how does good news generate so much FUD? This a pre-alpha release. I am actually shocked that it looks so functional.

[PhoenixBh]

Originally Posted by valterri Hi!

I know… we are having small problem here with arranging download for the N900 bits. Sorry for this. Will be fixed in few hours.

ValtteriSee earlier post by w00t. Btw how does good news generate so much FUD? This a pre-alpha release. I am actually shocked that it looks so functional.


Im guessing they are putting a lot of overdrive into this....

which is fine and all, i just hate their ditching the N900.. specially if most of what's needed is there to fully support it...

[w00t]

Im guessing they are putting a lot of overdrive into this....

which is fine and all, i just hate their ditching the N900.. specially if most of what's needed is there to fully support it...

Please read the very post I made which you are citing.

It is not being ditched. There are problems. Be patient. That is all.

[PhoenixBh]

well not fully, but its not officially supported by nokia..

[gsever]

Building image for n900 requers fedora...such a crap...

deb's are gone rpm's welcome with meego :)

However repos are still down!

[cfh11]

well not fully, but its not officially supported by nokia..

The n900 is still officially supported by Nokia, just not the Meego adaptation for the n900.

[PhoenixBh]

The n900 is still officially supported by Nokia, just not the Meego adaptation for the n900.

My bad for not making me clear, that's what i men't

:/

[hassan_badredin]

u can use vm to install linux

what's vm?
please someone help me....
:confused:

[jean2323]

i found the files here:
http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.0/core/images/meego-n900-open-armv7l/

but where can i find the installation instructions ?

[cfh11]

i found the files here:
http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.0/core/images/meego-n900-open-armv7l/

but where can i find the installation instructions ?

Those are the wrong files (hint: look at the date). Just wait until later today when the official n900 image is posted.

I know, I am pacing frantically as well :o

[PhoenixBh]

what's vm?
please someone help me....
:confused:

a VM is a Virtual Machine, basicly you run another OS inside the host OS.

try VirtualBox (http://www.virtualbox.org/) for an easy and simple to use VM, also free :)

[DonPIZI]

i found the files here:
http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.0/core/images/meego-n900-open-armv7l/

but where can i find the installation instructions ?

it looks like v1.0

[JayBEE]

i found the files here:
http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.0/core/images/meego-n900-open-armv7l/

but where can i find the installation instructions ?

Those are not the 1.1 files. Look at the URL you posted and the date of the files. You posted the link to the 1.0 files which will give you a command prompt and terminal. This must be the 4th time I've seen this posted today...

[egrims]

what's vm?
please someone help me....
:confused:

Virtual Machine.

[gsever]

kingoddball (http://talk.maemo.org/member.php?u=37113) must show up quickly.

Now we will be able to triple boot (Maemo, Nitdroid, and finally a little fancier MeeGo arrives)

[hassan_badredin]

a VM is a Virtual Machine, basicly you run another OS inside the host OS.

try VirtualBox (http://www.virtualbox.org/) for an easy and simple to use VM, also free :)

thanks thanks thanks

but

i guess i dont have enough power on my computer to do that with my late 90's 512 ram lol
i guess im stuck for now...

[tso]

so it would appear that intel is the driving force behind meego after all, ye gods.

[sevla]

so it would appear that intel is the driving force behind meego after all, ye gods.

What makes you say that?

[PhoenixBh]

thanks thanks thanks

but

i guess i dont have enough power on my computer to do that with my late 90's 512 ram lol
i guess im stuck for now...

hum yh that would probs run quite slow....

[lpotter]

Im guessing they are putting a lot of overdrive into this....

which is fine and all, i just hate their ditching the N900.. specially if most of what's needed is there to fully support it...

Please stop this kind of FUD. The n900 is still supported and is still being maintained.

[hassan_badredin]

hum yh that would probs run quite slow....

im trying anyway :p
i got vm now im getting a fedora minimal image... hope it will work

[mikec]

Installation at the moment requires that you have a Linux system.

You will need to install the Meego Image Creator as per this wiki page

http://wiki.meego.com/Image_Creation
Ubuntu, Suse and Fedora all supported


For Open Suse Users just add this repo

http://repo.meego.com/tools/repos/opensuse/11.2/i586/

and install mic2 from YasT:p

[PhoenixBh]

Please stop this kind of FUD. The n900 is still supported and is still being maintained.

As i said earlier i was referring to MeeGo not being officially supported by Nokia, no the actual N900 itself....

at least that's what Nokia said a while back....

[PhoenixBh]

im trying anyway :p
i got vm now im getting a fedora minimal image... hope it will work

yh you do that, might work decently n all :)

[tso]

What makes you say that?
pre-made aava image.

and that out of the blue everything was rpm, going as far as requiring fedora to build a image. This is basically moblin2 with a Qt layer of paint.

[jneidlinger]

ETA on updated Kickstart file: 1 Hour.

Source: tekojo (dev) on IRC.

[ScottishDuck]

ETA on updated Kickstart file: 1 Hour.

Source: tekojo (dev) on IRC.

Good stuff.

[scifi.guy]

so it would appear that intel is the driving force behind meego after all, ye gods.

I had this doubt since the very beginning.

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=676675&postcount=35

Having said that, if Intel can give me a faster and fancier OS and Nokia can release a killer device, I'd be more than happy. Till then I am happy with my N900.

[qgil]

pre-made aava image.

The Avaa has totally different hardware drivers than the N900. Two different stories. Don´t make conclusions based on the wrong assumptions.

and that out of the blue everything was rpm, going as far as requiring fedora to build a image. This is basically moblin2 with a Qt layer of paint.

As if the MeeGo Handset UX was sharing any code with Moblin? It´s entirely sitting on top of Qt.

[hassan_badredin]

ok i got fedora on vm and now it says
no bootable medium found ! system halted

????

[PhoenixBh]

ok i got fedora on vm and now it says
no bootable medium found ! system halted

????

u need to add the image to the vm machine in the settings..

[ZShakespeare]

- N900 MeeGo image .ks should be available within an hour
- Media player is not yet integrated
- Cellular modems are not integrated yet
- Remaining apps will be moving to the open in the coming weeks
- this first MeeGo Handset image is not meant for end-users
- MeeGo Basics | MeeGo - http://bit.ly/dn2WdJ
- http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Engineering is the starting page where all information related to Release Engineering would be published.

Source: #MeeGo-meeting IRC

So there's a dialer, but you can't actually make calls?

[Turkishflavor]

they are talking about MULTI-TOUCH GESTURES, will the N900 support this feature, too? (in the future of course!)

@^

you got it wrong! sure you can make phone calls!


Definition of: cellular modem

A wireless adapter that connects a laptop computer to a cellular telephone system for data transfer. Cellular modems, which contain their own antennas, plug into a PC Card slot or into the USB port of the computer and are available for a variety of wireless data services such as GPRS, EDGE and EV-DO.

[Optln]

they are talking about MULTI-TOUCH GESTURES, will the N900 support this feature, too? (in the future of course!)

No. It will never support multi touch.

So there's a dialer, but you can't actually make calls?

There is a dialer application yes. But until GSM modem driver available, it just won't work.

[fatalsaint]

they are talking about MULTI-TOUCH GESTURES, will the N900 support this feature, too? (in the future of course!)

Not likely. This is one of the reasons (I expect) that the N900 is not an officially supported device for MeeGo and will always be a Dev device.

(It will run on the N900 hardware, but the N900 uses a resistive screen which will not multi-touch; but MeeGo will be using multi-touch as a basic feature.)

[sjgadsby]

So there's a dialer, but you can't actually make calls?

At this time you can make simulated calls for testing. The cellular modem stack will be integrated in the future.

As has been stated all along, this release is not for end users. It is for development.

[cfh11]

"On the other hand, even without extensive coding it’s possible to tweak the theme all the way to the finest details and make it completely different."

This sounds awesome.

[fatalsaint]

At this time you can make simulated calls for testing. The cellular modem stack will be integrated in the future.

As has been stated all along, this release is not for end users. It is for development.

Damn... I was hoping to be able to use it and just deal with the bugs.. but without a secondary phone (which I don't have) then I'll be flashing nightly.

That.. sucks. :(

[sjgadsby]

Damn... I was hoping to be able to use it and just deal with the bugs.. but without a secondary phone (which I don't have) then I'll be flashing nightly.

Dual boot should be available soon.

I really wish I had been able to keep my summit loaner though. The best toys have finally arrived, and my testing phone is gone.

[ZShakespeare]

I wasn't complaining, I was simply clarifying. It's not easy to see what is and is not included in this release. It's been made claer all along that this won't be ready until october.

Stil gonna dual boot and submit reports like nobodies business though.

[me2000]

Whow! Look and feel of MeeGo Handset is wonderful. This is really a great Day 1. I waited so much for this moment!

Ditto ! ........

[me2000]

These instructions (http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Creating_ARM_image_using_MeeGo_Image_Creator) are well suited for my Fedora 12

Hah for the first time instructions other than Debian/Ubuntu :D

Are the packages in rpm or deb ?

[me2000]

At this time you can make simulated calls for testing. The cellular modem stack will be integrated in the future.

As has been stated all along, this release is not for end users. It is for development.
WWHHHHAAATTT ?

Nokia needs to get their butt in gear. What other stacks aren't available ? GPS ? Bluetooth ? USB ? Camera ?

[val580]

MeeGo Basics | MeeGo - http://bit.ly/dn2WdJ

looks great !
worth waiting

[ZShakespeare]

This has nothing to do with Nokia. It's not even beta, it's alpha which means it's not even feature complete. Complain if it's missing features in beta (which should be feature complete but unstable).

[quipper8]

WWHHHHAAATTT ?

Nokia needs to get their butt in gear. What other stacks aren't available ? GPS ? Bluetooth ? USB ? Camera ?

their butt is in quite a high gear already if you ask me.

i am actually quite surprised this has come out and on the day they said it would.

I real nokia handset device on this in october really seems possible now, I did have serious doubts before this

[ossipena]

WWHHHHAAATTT ?

Nokia needs to get their butt in gear. What other stacks aren't available ? GPS ? Bluetooth ? USB ? Camera ?

whhaaatttt?!?

haven't seen so much people with unbelieveable over-expectations for something concentrated to one thread...

[ZShakespeare]

I have to admit I was hoping for a release that at least had all the core functioanlity in place, if unstable. At the very least I'm glad this open project is finally going open.

[kruppin]

There is now a new kickstart file for making a n900-image.. :)

Edit: Unfortunately that doesn't work either.

[...boy]

When you look at Harmattan concept of having desktop filled with “operational” widgets (widgets which allows you to have almost full functionality of a application right on a screen without going into app itself) it was something to wait for, something that was making the UI ultra functional
(slides 9 and 10) http://www.slideshare.net/peterschneider/maemo-6-technology-highlights
and now what have we got – just another UI, very similar to others

Being average consumer who just need ultra functional and practical but also very pleasant to operate and just nice UI, I can see no reason to choose MeeGo Vs. any other OS on the market now

Is the opportunity do change the handset market lost for Nokia ?

… or perhaps not ?– does anybody know if Harmattan UI will be implemented in Nokia version of MeeGo ???

[ironm8]

i looked around that basics page and it looks like we can live without multitouch.
i guess lots of apps and most games will use it though.
this only time will tell us.

[*Sonic*]

whhaaatttt?!?

haven't seen so much people with unbelieveable over-expectations for something concentrated to one thread...

Guess you didnt read the PR1.2 threads then :D

[gerbick]

Nokia and Intel, in just a few months of the MeeGo announcement has a developer's preview available... and on time? Even I have to admit that's quite impressive.

The simulated phone call - the cellular stack isn't in place yet - and within a few hours/days, a method to allow for a dual-boot; I find very little fault with what Nokia's done and applaud them.

And this is coming from a rather skeptical person about anything Nokia does. With that said, they seem to be going in a very good direction, across two ISA's (ARM & x86) and ramping up to 1.1 final in a decent amount of time.

[Optln]

WWHHHHAAATTT ?

Nokia needs to get their butt in gear. What other stacks aren't available ? GPS ? Bluetooth ? USB ? Camera ?

Yes, they're all unavailable. In addition to GPU, DSP and BME drivers. It's just a developer release.

[fatalsaint]

Nokia, in just a few months of the MeeGo announcement has a developer's preview available... and on time? Even I have to admit that's quite impressive.

The simulated phone call - the cellular stack isn't in place yet - and within a few hours/days, a method to allow for a dual-boot; I find very little fault with what Nokia's done and applaud them.

And this is coming from a rather skeptical person about anything Nokia does. With that said, they seem to be going in a very good direction, across two ISA's (ARM & x86) and ramping up to 1.1 final in a decent amount of time.

I think it should be noted... yet again... that this isn't just Nokia.

[Venemo]

MeeGo Basics | MeeGo - http://bit.ly/dn2WdJ

looks great !
worth waiting

I read it all.

It seems that they copy-pasted the Maemo concept, replaced "Maemo" with "MeeGo" in the text and created some new drawings. :p

[gsever]

I read it all.

It seems that they copy-pasted the Maemo concept, replaced "Maemo" with "MeeGo" in the text and created some new drawings. :p

"Talent imitates; genius steals." - TS Eliot

[gsever]

Are the packages in rpm or deb ?

Seemingly it's an rpm based OS.

See for instance:

http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.0/latest/core/repos/source/

[benny1967]

… or perhaps not ?– does anybody know if Harmattan UI will be implemented in Nokia version of MeeGo ???

What you saw today is the stock meego UX layer for phones.

nokia is working on harmattan as its next release, which isn't really meego... technically.

[crown77]

It was said in earlier announcements that the N900 is no longer being support while devs are using it for testing MeeGo, so while the bits are there i guess its up to us to make it work fully..

Kinda a suck, that nokia is just ditching the N900...

Well i dont agree with you we know Nokia wont give us a official supported Update with Meego for the N900. What i did understand that Meego isnt Nokia and if you look at there Handset Forum Threads they always Talk about the N900. The Commandline Release of the Meego Core was also a special Version for the N900 beside the big Laptop Release.

The new thing for me is the new Hardware Spec Aava Mobile in this game. I mean this Device isnt to buy for a normal Customer like me .. or us..

[Enyibinakata]

Ahhh gerbick, at last, you make a positive non cynical comment about Nokia. Its truly a breath of fresh air. Congratulations.

[PhoenixBh]

Well i dont agree with you we know Nokia wont give us a official supported Update with Meego for the N900. What i did understand that Meego isnt Nokia and if you look at there Handset Forum Threads they always Talk about the N900. The Commandline Release of the Meego Core was also a special Version for the N900 beside the big Laptop Release.

The new thing for me is the new Hardware Spec Aava Mobile in this game. I mean this Device isnt to buy for a normal Customer like me .. or us..

No no, don't get me wrong, i agree with what you say but when you have such a powerful device and capable in so many ways, it would be nice of Nokia to give us something that will last...

Like the iPhone in itself is a really awful phone, IMO what made it so famous was its ease of use and well... its apps... and thats something that Nokia will be taking away from the N900 by ditching Maemo.

Most efforts will be focused in MeeGo on a dev side, so Maemo will be left out.. while if we had official Support for MeeGo on N900 (even if we don't get multi touch, ect..) at least we could take use of the focus the MeeGo will have when its out and about...

Im not saying MeeGo is bad or anything of the sort...

Luckily we got very awesome community that i believe will make MeeGo full feature (hardware limitations aside) on the N900 but we will be always playing catch up...

maybe you guys don't agree with me but nothing i've said is untrue, and for a device whether it was intended for end-user or not it still costed us 500 bucks, so its kind of like Nokia is shooting us in the foot..

I mean N900 was a big reason why i came to back to Nokia and i knew exactly what i was getting myself into, i just never expected Nokia to ditch it like that..

Well talk about long speeches.. anyway i'm not trying to be the bad guy here just feels not right... i think most of you would agree with me in some degree or so...

no? :confused:

[Laughing Man]

What you saw today is the stock meego UX layer for phones.

nokia is working on harmattan as its next release, which isn't really meego... technically.

Isn't that because Nokia was already working on Maemo 6 (Harmattan) before the Meego plans were finalized. And now Harmattan (Meego) is just this weird hybrid of Maemo 6 and Meego (to avoid starting over from complete scratch).